Post by: Drakale on April 29, 2009, 05:03:52 pm
It's a space exploration type game where you get paid for mining planets and discovering new life forms. Lots of good stuff in there, but it still very beta.
Enjoy!
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/ (http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/)
Edit: New updates here (http://www.prospector.at/forum/dm_eds/dmedsdl.php)
Post by: Sowelu on April 29, 2009, 05:22:14 pm
Post by: Tilla on April 29, 2009, 05:49:29 pm
Post by: Drakale on April 29, 2009, 05:52:50 pm
Post by: Tilla on April 29, 2009, 06:16:30 pm
Post by: woose1 on April 29, 2009, 06:31:23 pm
Post by: niltrias on April 29, 2009, 07:42:19 pm
Couple questions:
1) How do you buy stuff at the station? I went to trading, hit "buy", choose the goods, and it popped up something that looked like a request for a number of goods to buy....but none of my keys (I tried them all) would change the number from 0. I have a Japanese laptop (Japanese as in keyboard layout, not maker) so I suspect the problem may lie there...
2) What is the point of going to planets? They seem like a good way to get killed, but I haven`t found anything valuable there yet, despite racking up a large number of deaths from an impressive array of nasties. (from Angry Avian to Armed Reptile)
Definitely looks fun tho.
Post by: Hawkfrost on April 29, 2009, 08:33:56 pm
Game looks interesting, but the learning curve is steep.
Couple questions:
1) How do you buy stuff at the station? I went to trading, hit "buy", choose the goods, and it popped up something that looked like a request for a number of goods to buy....but none of my keys (I tried them all) would change the number from 0. I have a Japanese laptop (Japanese as in keyboard layout, not maker) so I suspect the problem may lie there...
2) What is the point of going to planets? They seem like a good way to get killed, but I haven`t found anything valuable there yet, despite racking up a large number of deaths from an impressive array of nasties. (from Angry Avian to Armed Reptile)
Definitely looks fun tho.
1) + and -.
2)You can get items, collect resources, and you get paid to explore planets.
Report back to the Industry or whatever after a mission.
Post by: Sowelu on April 29, 2009, 09:14:51 pm
Sowelu's left eye and right eye are pierced!
Sowelu has been struck down.
I'm not sure if I can get past the "ship select" screen.
Chose ship!
Maxmium shield!
Highrade equipment!
Post by: woose1 on April 29, 2009, 09:20:43 pm
Post by: Hawkfrost on April 29, 2009, 09:47:45 pm
Sowelu is struck by the spinning XspellingX!
Sowelu's left eye and right eye are pierced!
Sowelu has been struck down.
I'm not sure if I can get past the "ship select" screen.
Chose ship!
Maxmium shield!
Highrade equipment!
I noticed that, I think English isn't his first language.
Oh, and Space Pirates are assholes.
Post by: Sowelu on April 29, 2009, 09:52:30 pm
I like the little touches, like being able to radio your ship and ask IT to come to YOU...
Oh yeah, and
Quote
An old miner tells you a tall tale about a planet he worked on. Short version: they dug too deep and released invisible monsters that drove them off the planet.
Post by: Drakale on April 29, 2009, 10:23:16 pm
Post by: wallish on April 29, 2009, 10:29:51 pm
Gave it a try anyway, and oh man this gives me my Starflight fix. AWESOME, if very simple.
I like the little touches, like being able to radio your ship and ask IT to come to YOU...
Oh yeah, andQuoteAn old miner tells you a tall tale about a planet he worked on. Short version: they dug too deep and released invisible monsters that drove them off the planet.
Oh man, I just died there! Losing a two man crew to invisible monsters is no fun! Especially when you get the message "???? multiplies itself" (or similar). So it is apparently some sort of ooze or something that splits...
Post by: Eagleon on April 30, 2009, 12:09:01 am
Post by: Little on April 30, 2009, 01:18:08 am
Post by: magellan on April 30, 2009, 01:47:17 am
Game looks interesting, but the learning curve is steep.
Couple questions:
1) How do you buy stuff at the station? I went to trading, hit "buy", choose the goods, and it popped up something that looked like a request for a number of goods to buy....but none of my keys (I tried them all) would change the number from 0. I have a Japanese laptop (Japanese as in keyboard layout, not maker) so I suspect the problem may lie there...
2) What is the point of going to planets? They seem like a good way to get killed, but I haven`t found anything valuable there yet, despite racking up a large number of deaths from an impressive array of nasties. (from Angry Avian to Armed Reptile)
Definitely looks fun tho.
Hi guys.
Let me just say for starters: I am awed by this thread! I am very glad it seems that some people have fun with this little thing!
the number selection thingy: reacts to + / - key up key down, key left key right, and to typing in the numbers directly. But the problem may lie somewhere else: Only light transporters start with cargo space. (The game really could tell you that when you try to buy. It should. It will. soonish)
Why you should land on planets: well... it's your job :) Of course you can become a trader or a pirate too but those occupations can be quite hazardous as well.
Generally it is not the first time i heard the thing about the learning curve. Personally i got the feeling that it all falls into place quickly after some figuring out of what stuff does, but any suggestion on how i could improve that or hints at where the hurdles are would be most welcome!
Oh and there have been reports of people going blind after looking at the sourcecode. so you have been warned...
Post by: ductape on April 30, 2009, 02:21:49 am
not sure why...just is.
Post by: niltrias on April 30, 2009, 03:38:02 am
How do you get jobs for exploring planets and whatnot?
And I`m not worried about the learning curve in the least bit. I doubt you will find anyone who minds steep learning curves in the DF forums. heh.
Post by: magellan on April 30, 2009, 04:18:36 am
There are no "explore that planet over there" missions.
You are propably right that the folks here are quite tolerat to learning curves. :) Doesnt change the fact though that i would like to do anything possible to dampen that curve. Any hints in that respect are helpfull here. (it is all quite obvious to me, since i wrote that stuff. how should i know if it is obvious to others too?)
Post by: niltrias on April 30, 2009, 06:46:47 am
But seriously, I`ll post when I get confused, since I just started the game today. might give you some insight as to where people are having problems. Or it might just give you some insight into what an idiot I am. Either way, insight shall be gained!
Post by: niltrias on April 30, 2009, 07:16:11 am
THanks
Post by: magellan on April 30, 2009, 08:22:45 am
you do that!
Ok: Right under the name of the ship right hand side there is HP and SP. HP=Hullpoints SP=Shieldpoints.
You can alos see your shieldgenerator when you press @ wich gives you a ship & equipment summary. Your awayteam always equips the best stuff it can find.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 30, 2009, 10:06:05 am
Mining equipment. How do I use it, and where? I assume in caves to get those minerals stuck in walls, but there is not apparent key for mining with a laser.
But yes, awesome game. Seems the key is to get enough security members down so you can always struggle back to your ship. And only land on worlds that have atmosphere before you get the air tanks. And lots and lots of lights for those dark planets.
Never really dicked about with space combat or trading. I was in space combat one during my first playthrough, but I didn't understand it went about in 'phases'.
Post by: magellan on April 30, 2009, 10:11:56 am
Just fire at the walls. It gives you a bonus to your damage vs walls.
Post by: wallish on April 30, 2009, 11:04:29 am
Also, is there a save function yet, even a roguelike save & quit only thing?
Awesome game though. So much potential!
*edit*:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Drakale on April 30, 2009, 11:27:38 am
Here is my wishlist for added features.
-Random alien physiology. Appearance may hint at aggressiveness.
-Dissecting Aliens with the I command. Yield biodata and consume oxygen/time, might anger other life forms.
-More details for crews, including their speciality etc... Give an incentive to train a specific crewmember instead of just hiring a better one.
-Set up a base of operation on a planet, may produce trading goods with time, or mine etc..
Really great game, keep at it ;D
Post by: magellan on April 30, 2009, 11:29:59 am
*slaps forhead*
It has escaped my notice that this actually isn't mentioned in the readme... needed 3 people to ask me before i double checked ... sry....
After inspecting you have to inspect it one more time for the final repairs. (wich may fail) and then you can jump ship.
Also: agreed: there could be more corellation between monster description and behaviour. though the number of arms already affects their chance to pick stuff up :)
Post by: chaoticag on April 30, 2009, 11:49:01 am
Maybe you should make sure that star systems with pirates on them don't spawn exactly one block north of the starting space station.
Post by: magellan on April 30, 2009, 12:55:40 pm
Of course there is also the suspension of disbelief thing, with pirates and spacestation being neighbours. The thing here is that knowing where the pirates are from early and having them near a station has it's advantages. I'think i'll spoiler this just in case.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hmmm... maybe this is one we could put into config, let the player decide if he wants a minimum save distance or not.
Post by: Drakale on April 30, 2009, 01:33:41 pm
-if i rescue some crew from a stranded ship, my security force go back to 10(repeatable, happen every time im max security force and i accept some more).
-On the heavy explorer, cannot repair my Hull to more than 10(Max hull listed as 20). I did not try any other 10+ hull ship, so i dont know if its just this one.
Edit: Gaaah game crashed with a very pimped out ship. Maybe there should be an autosave at interval just in case(while still wiping data on a real death)
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on April 30, 2009, 02:10:05 pm
Post by: beorn080 on April 30, 2009, 02:22:21 pm
Once I have purchased personal equipment from a space station, I can't buy any from that space television again. Am I missing something?You need a space phone to call the 800 number to buy from the space television.
Post by: Zaranthan on April 30, 2009, 03:25:05 pm
...IN SPACE!!!
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on April 30, 2009, 03:40:48 pm
I was thinking station and "television" popped in instead.
Post by: magellan on April 30, 2009, 03:56:06 pm
I found two small bugs in the last version.
-if i rescue some crew from a stranded ship, my security force go back to 10(repeatable, happen every time im max security force and i accept some more).
-On the heavy explorer, cannot repair my Hull to more than 10(Max hull listed as 20). I did not try any other 10+ hull ship, so i dont know if its just this one.
Oooops... fortunately these 2 were easily fixed. I also added the option to autosave every time you dock on a station (default off) and to ensure that pirate planets are at a minimum distance from the station (default on)QuoteEdit: Gaaah game crashed with a very pimped out ship. Maybe there should be an autosave at interval just in case(while still wiping data on a real death)
Any details here? When? Where? How? went black and stopped doing anything when scanning a planet?
Post by: magellan on April 30, 2009, 03:57:57 pm
Once I have purchased personal equipment from a space station, I can't buy any from that space station again. Am I missing something?
Erm... what exactly happens when you try to buy stuff again? Drawing a blank atm as to what this might be to be honest....
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on April 30, 2009, 05:06:49 pm
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/Curudan/ProspectorWeirdness.png)
I thought that this only happened after I had bought something from that station, but this also happened on a station I had never visited before.
I can upload the save if you want.
Also, how do I sell personal equipment I don't want anymore?
Post by: magellan on April 30, 2009, 05:21:10 pm
???
:-\
Ok, never seen that before, and off the top of my head no clue whatsoever as to what could cause it. From your shipstats i gather it started doing that somewhere in the middle of the game? And it worked before?
It doesn't save station inventorys, so it can't have anything to do with a corrupted save file or bug in loading/saving. Can you send me the savefile anyway? I can try and check if other things in the gamestate might cause this. matthias.mennel@gmail.com ,or post here whatever you prefer. thx.
as for selling: they don't buy used, but i heard there is a guy somewhere who buys guns.
Post by: beorn080 on April 30, 2009, 05:29:25 pm
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on April 30, 2009, 05:32:54 pm
It makes it kind of hard to survive.
Post by: magellan on April 30, 2009, 06:06:36 pm
... and with this you can consider me seriously confused... though this is a screenshot of a 3rd docking. It *did* shop up empty like in yours right after i docked... wich confuses me even more. Don't hold your breath while i try to figure this out... sry :(
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on April 30, 2009, 06:25:02 pm
Also, what do cryogenic chambers do?
Post by: magellan on April 30, 2009, 06:32:12 pm
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/downloads/list
You can stuff additonal crewmen into cryo chambers.
And....
Saving every time before you enter a station triggers the "He didnt really leave. don't let yourself get fooled and reroll the station inv." savety :P That was it. I can't say it *should* trigger there and will have to look into it again but thats where your equipment went.
Post by: Drakale on April 30, 2009, 06:40:23 pm
Any details here? When? Where? How? went black and stopped doing anything when scanning a planet?
Ya, i was in
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: magellan on April 30, 2009, 07:01:25 pm
Also i must say: thanks to everybody for the great feedback! It has been very very helpfull so far!
Post by: wallish on April 30, 2009, 07:53:14 pm
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on April 30, 2009, 08:35:13 pm
After finding some more improved particle cannons I figured out that it replaces the weapon above the one you pick.
Is there anyway I can get the stations to replenish their stock? I tried docking and undocking several time, but it didn't work. I would really like to buy some equipment. As it is, I just have to use the stuff I find on planets.
It would be nice if you could view the descriptions of equipment you already have. There is a lot of equipment I found on planets, and I would like to know what they do.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 30, 2009, 08:41:15 pm
Post by: Hawkfrost on April 30, 2009, 09:13:49 pm
the planet that makes an earthquake kill all ten of your crew randomly.
But those are the interesting ones!
I purposely seek out the volcanic planets, because I find they usually have lots of resources.
And I just saw a colony get destroyed by an eruption. Awesome.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 30, 2009, 09:17:03 pm
Post by: Drakale on April 30, 2009, 10:46:13 pm
humm... did you manage to figure out what it was or was it an unidentified artifact? And if you figured it out what was it? Did the game freeze or throw a memory exception error?
Also i must say: thanks to everybody for the great feedback! It has been very very helpfull so far!
It did crash, no freeze. It was an exception, offered to open it in my debugger but i declined at the time, maybe i should have kept the dump sorry. For the artifact, I'm really not sure if it got identified, just got a message after walking on some metal scraps and hit @.
Post by: niltrias on April 30, 2009, 10:48:54 pm
Question:
How do you use the laser drill?
Also, it would be nice to be able to pull up a list of the personal equipment you have.
Post by: beorn080 on April 30, 2009, 11:05:37 pm
The level of detail feels fairly close to DF.
Post by: niltrias on April 30, 2009, 11:34:03 pm
AHHHGGGGG!! SANDWORMS!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 01, 2009, 12:07:28 am
I suddenly understand one of the previous quotes. Let me just add:
AHHHGGGGG!! SANDWORMS!
THEY WERE WAITING FOR ME! WHYYYY?!
Also, cheating casinos suck. Dammit, don't poop out a pirate as soon as I decide I don't want to gamble anymore!
Post by: MrWiggles on May 01, 2009, 12:22:02 am
Not mac compatible.
Post by: Captain Mayday on May 01, 2009, 12:32:18 am
Naming for planets and stars.
Names for crew members, with the ability to view the crew roster. Crew members should get better at what they do. Renaming them would be fun as well. This would also have the upshot of making the game more Lets Play-able, ergo increasing audience.
This should extend into identifying the team members when they're injured and killed.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 01, 2009, 12:40:20 am
As I'm imagining them as Redshirts, that doesn't seem out of place.
Post by: Neonivek on May 01, 2009, 12:44:58 am
Judging by the suggestions I thought it would have been more finished.
Post by: Gunner-Chan on May 01, 2009, 12:48:53 am
Post by: wallish on May 01, 2009, 01:23:17 am
*edit* And I still haven't figured out how to use the equipment that I find/buy. How do I use the head lamps or plasma rifles and whatnot? Can anyone fill me in on this?
Post by: niltrias on May 01, 2009, 01:45:43 am
The hull point bug needs to be fixed...no matter what kind of ship I have, I can`t repair it beyond 10 HP.
Weapons: It would be nice if the ship weapons were more balanced. As it is, I don`t see any reason not to just buy particle beams. Maybe some with longer range but lower damage, some with shorter range and higher damage, and some with high range and damage but limited ammo.
Personal weapons: Maybe its just me, but I want close combat weapons. When I`m exploring the subterrainian depth of a nameless planet and get cornered by a pack of huge, viscous mammals, its time to put away the gauss rifles and pull out the chain swords and power axes. FOR THE EMPEROR! wait, wrong game. but still.
Names: Just seeing "reptile" all the time is kinda annoying. How about letting the player name a new species, and then having that name pop up when they see an example of that species again?
Persistant worlds- How about letting people decide if they want to continue exploring the world where their last character died? The fact that they would start with some knowledge of what was on the map would be balanced by the fact that a lot of the resources would have been harvested by the former character. It would be fun to try to defeat the sandworms time after time, with more and more stranded ships piling up on the surface of the planet....
Thats it for now. Great game! I, who am about to die, (ie I`m starting a new prospector.) Salute you!
Post by: Captain Mayday on May 01, 2009, 01:58:41 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 01, 2009, 02:10:05 am
Also, the crew counter seems to be separate between guards and the specialists. Max 10, with a gunner, pilot and biologist and yet I can take five redshirts? Don't I lack bunks?
But yes, all this criticism is to make the game better. Already it is awesome.
Post by: niltrias on May 01, 2009, 03:07:26 am
Kind of a random end. Even for a rogue like.
Post by: WorkerDrone on May 01, 2009, 04:29:43 am
...
And then you die.
And then anarchy. Space Dystopia, with various rogue trading factions, and a splintered but still powerful military remnant suppressing the masses, and a Alien Civilization returning to reclaim its sector, creating destruction of genocidic intent upon world after world.
In other words, its the Darker and Edgier version of your ending.
Post by: magellan on May 01, 2009, 04:42:35 am
As it stands, they are more glorified hit points.
As I'm imagining them as Redshirts, that doesn't seem out of place.
And by some strange coincidence: There is a variable in the code that is called "player.deadredhirts" :)
As for the colony starting: Landing with 1 HP (high gravity, dense atmosphere, bad pilot too?), that *is* avoidable.
All equipment (including drills and lamps) gets automatically equipped and it has to to some degree. Would you really like to equip 70 (HTT with 2 additional crew modules) crew members one by one?
Post by: niltrias on May 01, 2009, 05:35:29 am
I agree about auto eqipping...the security guys die too quickly for me to care about them. If there was a captain *player* character, it would be nice to control their inventory. Otherwise, I{m fine with the way it works now. Except, asI said earlier, Id like to see what equipment I had available....
Post by: Tormy on May 01, 2009, 08:04:17 am
Post by: magellan on May 01, 2009, 08:26:08 am
Damn...
Not mac compatible.
It doesn't do anything OS close though. Not owning a Mac (or nix system) i just cant try it :)
Source is included, all you need is freebasic (www.freebasic.net) to compile it. So: feel free to try that, if you want and let me know if you succeed/run into problems.
Also: i just fixed 1 1/2 bugs (the artifact weapon selection thingy and some autosave funkyness and a ship command)
Post by: chaoticag on May 01, 2009, 08:55:52 am
Post by: Floirt on May 01, 2009, 08:58:45 am
Also, CAVES FULL OF ANGRY ALIENS OH MY GOD.
Post by: Nirur Torir on May 01, 2009, 09:14:41 am
1) From the configuration menu on the main menu, the pirate safety area can be toggled on, but not off again.
2) Ships still can't be repaired if they are above 10 hp, but they can be fully repaired when below 10 hp.
3) I had the bug where the starting station wouldn't get an inventory or any crew. Neither saving nor visiting normal planets helped, but it was cured when I completed a mysterious package delivery quest involving people examining my ship. It was most annoying, as my science officer wasn't around anymore. Any chance of forcing the stations to at least carry one L1 employee of each type?
4) Getting too many inventory items to fit on one page creates some scrambled characters at the end of the list.
Is there more than two commands to use when radioing the ship while away? I've only found Land, and Launch.I found two more useful ones that it'll be more fun to not spoil.
Spoiler: Hint (click to show/hide)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 01, 2009, 09:20:32 am
Is there more than two commands to use when radioing the ship while away? I've only found Land, and Launch.Wait 'till you get more than two levels deep. Then the 'fun' really begins.
Also, CAVES FULL OF ANGRY ALIENS OH MY GOD.
Also, to Nirur Torir, that is like saying Rogue would be more fun if you didn't know how to use any commands. Come now, just tell us!
Post by: magellan on May 01, 2009, 09:25:44 am
... and the arguably most fun command wasn't working correctly in 0.1.5 to 0.1.5c. Works now though.
If you can think of anything you would like them to do, tell me.
@ nirur torir: 1 & 2 are fixed as of nowish...3 might take a bit longer thx *shoots his quality control officer*
Post by: Nirur Torir on May 01, 2009, 09:48:49 am
I loaded my game where I had lots of loot, docked, sold my resources, and checked my inventory. A few rifles and binoculars, nothing else. I hit a button, and it crashed. I loaded again, and checked my inventory without docking. Binoculars and 13 resources, followed by a crash. I loaded one last time, checked again out of confusion, and it crashed again. The third crash deleted my save file. I was 1500 credits away from a battleship, now I have to take out my frustration against pirates with a small fighter.
Post by: chaoticag on May 01, 2009, 09:52:01 am
Edit:
Glitch:
Getting blasted by your own grenade lists you as "killed by a "
Post by: magellan on May 01, 2009, 10:20:27 am
@ nirur torir
Agreed, it does. and it will as soon as i find out what causes it. Unfortunately it appears that it isnt one of the "ooops, that should have been x instead of y" kind. therefore it might take a bit to track and kill. :( sorry...
Post by: Drakale on May 01, 2009, 10:21:30 am
First, there are some pretty big bugs when you try to buy some stuff with the basic merchant ship when you just started the game. It tell you your cargo is full even if it's not, then when you sell your non-existant cargo you get a message saying "you sold *blank* for xx credits.", where xx is 0 or in one case something overflowed as i got a really big negative number. Then it get weird, in my case i got 10 additional cargo space on my basic ship, fully usable.
Second, its not a bug but buying weapons at 7 credits a piece and selling them back at 2500 credits is a little abusable to say the least :p The market variation is kinda crazy, some good can have a 300%+ variation in price between docks.
Anyway, the merchant life is shaping up to be fun even with those bugs, I'm liking the pirate interaction and risk/reward of it.
On a somewhat related note, when browsing the ship equipment screen it would be nice to see what your ship can and cannot equip, as well as what is currently equipped. And also the starting ships maximum sensor/engine/shield limit could be a little higher, right now you gotta upgrade ship as soon as possible if you want to add anything :/
Post by: magellan on May 01, 2009, 01:31:51 pm
What can i say... looks like this thing got more testing in the last 2 days than in the last 2 months. Thanks for volunteering in such numbers guys :)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 01, 2009, 01:47:38 pm
This is a glimpse at what we theorized DF would look like if done as a space game.
Post by: chaoticag on May 01, 2009, 02:31:18 pm
-Having too much personal equipment (enough to start a second page) causes the game to crash when @ is pressed. (note: I think I also had an artifact armor piece, as well as a disintagration gun)
The game is pretty awsome though, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that it has some pretty good potential. Just remember to concentrate on debugging so that the game doesn't become unplayable.
Post by: beorn080 on May 01, 2009, 02:47:34 pm
I just started in a starsystem with a station on top of it. Makes sense since space stations should be in orbit, but doesn't seem to be normal behavior at this point.
Post by: Drakale on May 01, 2009, 02:51:36 pm
Example:
O ooooo@oo
where the @ represent a planet with a station in orbit. Then you have the option Land-Scan-Dock at this spot.
Post by: wallish on May 01, 2009, 03:55:45 pm
Post by: magellan on May 01, 2009, 04:50:07 pm
And the sell empty bay bug too.
And the can't buy unless you sell your empty bays first thing is gone as well
Besides that i added a "You refill your oxygen tank" message when appropriate and earthquakes do less damage the farther away from the center you are (again)
As for the station and the system below: Well, since the 2 don't collide (you can scan, land and dock) i never figured it was anything worth paying attention to.
The main problem with putting something in orbit would be finding it on the map though. (Some may have noticed that there are no moons and no gas giants for similiar reason)
Underlying color would be a solution (like the dark blue background confirmed uniques get already)
You could of course do some cool stuff if i found a way to solve that display problem somehow, for example number of craters in system corellating with the number of gas giants present.
Post by: beorn080 on May 01, 2009, 05:16:39 pm
If you have say 5 security on your ship, and you only take 3, if those 3 get killed, you lose. No point in asking if you want to take less then maximum if losing the less then maximum loses.
Edit: For the moons and gas giants, have it take up 3 lines and do it like this.
Code: [Select]
.
S oo O S
..
where the first S is the star, the o are planets, the O is a supergiant, the last S is a station, and the . are moons.
Post by: magellan on May 01, 2009, 05:26:22 pm
If you take all you can't radio your ship.
It is however a symptom of the "where are the officers?" question mentioned earlier by (i think it was) duke2.0
And i had an idea for that: We do give those 4 bunks and also put them on the awayteam. they get HPs as follows: Captain: 5, Pilot: piloting skill, gunner: gunnery skill, Science officer: science skill.
Post by: Neonivek on May 01, 2009, 05:32:29 pm
Quote
Nope, not a bug.
If you take all you can't radio your ship
Hmmm... Then it isn't so much a bug as it is a bug (for lack of a better word)
They should at least warn you or allow ships to have computers. stupid 1940s sci-fi technology!
Post by: chaoticag on May 01, 2009, 05:33:19 pm
The AIs could get burnt if working with lower level AI, instead of retiring, and take maintanence instead of wages. It makes a no response more believable.
Or it could be more explicit that the entire crew embarks, for some reason.
Post by: beorn080 on May 01, 2009, 06:14:20 pm
For the planets, I posted this earlier but will repost so you see it.
For the moons and gas giants, have it take up 3 lines and do it like this.
Code: [Select]
.
S oo O S
..where the first S is the star, the o are planets, the O is a supergiant, the last S is a station, and the . are moons.
Post by: niltrias on May 01, 2009, 06:22:04 pm
As I mentioned in a previous post, how about adding a captain? They would represent the player themself, and go with the away team. Red shirts provide abalative armor for the captain, thus preventing a surprise end game. If the captain dies, the game ends...your character died.
That said, Magellen, what did you think of the weapons suggestions I made earlier?
Post by: chaoticag on May 01, 2009, 06:26:46 pm
Post by: magellan on May 01, 2009, 06:31:51 pm
I had it that way in the very beginning (before anybody got to see this thing) and soon realized that leaving 1 guy on the ship effectively makes you immortal. As for the one man left requirement for radio. I guess one could drop that, but there is ...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As for the ship weapons: There indeed is a lot of room for added variety there. Of course Particle cannons aren't exactly cheap, but maybe not expensive enough either. Yup. needs work. (As so much else in this thing :) )
Post by: beorn080 on May 01, 2009, 06:32:28 pm
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on May 01, 2009, 06:39:58 pm
Makes planets more dangerous while removing the odd occurence of sending out 1 redshirt and everyone dieing because he drops.
You don't lose because he dies; you lose because you die.
You go along on every away mission.
If you think it is silly to lose one redshirt and die, send more than one redshirt.
I like it as it is, and I think it would take away too much of the roguelike feel if it was changed. The game is already pretty easy.
Post by: beorn080 on May 01, 2009, 06:44:51 pm
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on May 01, 2009, 06:55:25 pm
Ok, makes sense. Still, if I'm going out with the away teams, I should be able to seduce aliens. After all, the captain always gets the green alien girl.
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A Mammal with a cone shaped head, with 2 compound eyes and a small mouth. A thick neck leads to a wide body, with no arms and 4 short legs. Its whole body is covered in an exoskeleton. It weighs appr. 68 Kg. It flies using featherd wings.
Go get her ,Tiger. ;)
Post by: Servant Corps on May 01, 2009, 06:56:51 pm
Makes planets more dangerous while removing the odd occurence of sending out 1 redshirt and everyone dieing because he drops.
You don't lose because he dies; you lose because you die.
You go along on every away mission.
That's completely stupid.
Post by: Little on May 01, 2009, 07:01:52 pm
What happens if you become a pirate and kill merchant ships? Are there any effects?
Post by: Neonivek on May 01, 2009, 07:05:02 pm
Post by: Drakale on May 01, 2009, 07:50:38 pm
Makes planets more dangerous while removing the odd occurence of sending out 1 redshirt and everyone dieing because he drops.
You don't lose because he dies; you lose because you die.
You go along on every away mission.
That's completely stupid.
Tell that to the StarTrek screenwriters.
Not that I disagree with you ;D
Post by: qwertyuiopas on May 01, 2009, 08:31:24 pm
On the other hand, that opens up the possibility of deploying 20 people and many supplies where they will set up a temporary base and proceed to explore the rest of the system(no leaving the system without them though) giving periodic radio updates. If conditions are especially bad, they may fake their own death to get away from you or something and you can run into them, maybe as pirates, maybe still living on that planet, maybe ruins with a diary or two that explain what happened. The result would probably depend on your play style and the team.
Yeah. If such a feature were implemented, they give brief radio updates like "explored a bit" "hostiles have been sighted" "...*static*(they appear to be dead)" and other reports while you can later return and find more detailed reports in diarys and logs.
Post by: Little on May 01, 2009, 08:47:51 pm
They wouldn't be happy, though.
Edit: Who develops this game?
Post by: wallish on May 01, 2009, 10:12:32 pm
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blah blah blah: 1 wounded
blah blah blah: 2 killed, 1 wounded
blah blah blah: 1 killed
blah blah blah: 2 killed
blah blah blah: !
It then, IIRC, cut to the space view with the "Unidentified radar blip [or whatever the pirate message is], Engage?"
So of course I said yes! It then initiated a space battle, I killed one pirate but was sadly killed by another. I truly wonder what would have happened had I won... The summary reports the "5 casualties among the crew" with death in 5 turns (those beasts were brutal!), yet the High Scores has "Got blasted to atoms by spacepirates after 5 turns" note.
Great bug though, as it kind of just does what everyone else is asking for (launch the ship after away team death). So for all you asking for that feature, it's in as long as pirates attack you the exact turn that your team dies!
This did not happen to the previous or next ship, either. And in case it matters, this version was the first time I just pasted the new version over the old one (I know, I know, coming from DF I should know better but I was curious if it'd work).
Post by: Neonivek on May 01, 2009, 10:34:33 pm
Post by: Little on May 01, 2009, 10:37:34 pm
Post by: beorn080 on May 01, 2009, 10:42:18 pm
Post by: ductape on May 01, 2009, 11:09:13 pm
Post by: beorn080 on May 01, 2009, 11:41:48 pm
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 12:12:29 am
(I've run into this before, fixed it, reworked my fleet system and obviously forgot to put it back in)
As for what happens if you attack merchants: there are some things in the game that affect your standing with spacestation/company/merchants and pirates. attacking merchants is one of them ;)
*checks for webbing between the toes*
Nope, mammal, 2 legs, 2 arms, lens eyes, no wings. ;)
Post by: Muz on May 02, 2009, 12:13:07 am
Post by: Neonivek on May 02, 2009, 12:14:29 am
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 12:26:42 am
Post by: Neonivek on May 02, 2009, 12:28:21 am
Yap.... last update has been 7 hours ago. I think it's save to assume he gave up ;)
I am a bit used to people giving up their great projects online... almost like it is the standard.
Post by: inaluct on May 02, 2009, 12:33:38 am
Post by: codezero on May 02, 2009, 12:54:57 am
Something I don't like is that you can go back to planets you've explored and still get all the biodata. When mapping is worth maybe 1000 and biodata can be worth >10,000 it makes it pretty easy to make money. Shouldn't mapping be worth a lot more than biodata anyway?
Post by: Neonivek on May 02, 2009, 01:02:56 am
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Shouldn't mapping be worth a lot more than biodata anyway?
I wouldn't think so. You could map with a camera swooping over a planet... but to get Biodata it requires quite a bit of work and has benefits outside of the constraints of that single planet.
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 01:17:32 am
Well, except for stuff showing up twice.
As for this thing being to easy: There is an item in the game that is worth 1.000.000 Credits. It is *not* just lying around somewhere.
The idea was to let the player chose how hard he wants the game to be. You can win easily by exploring, easily by trading, a little less easily by pirating, and the least easy by finding the amulet of yendor (Wich isn't an amulet and of course also goes by a different name)
Post by: codezero on May 02, 2009, 01:55:18 am
Post by: Neonivek on May 02, 2009, 02:03:00 am
I tried to compile 15e for linux. The first 2 errors I got were to do with _autosave and _minsafe, so I declared them in types.bas. Now I get errors about playsfx, I tried adding #inclib "alphawaveout" to prospector.bas but no luck... I'm just typing "fbc prospector.bas" at the command line. I've tried linking alphawaveout from the command line but I don't really know what i'm doing there.
LIES Linux is perfect! The Internet is never wrong!
Anyhow if you have Linux having a Windows Emulator is always useful to have on hand since Microsoft just LOVES trying to force their products on people by outdating everything! (Ubersoft was right!)
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 02:16:09 am
The other thing tells us that the sound lib isn't working under linux.
Ok, i just removed the sound, if you would like to give it another go :
http://rlprospector.googlecode.com/files/proslin0.1.5e.zip
Thanks for giving it a try!
Post by: Muz on May 02, 2009, 02:22:52 am
Most shop problems (=All that i am aware of as of now) have been fixed.
Well, except for stuff showing up twice.
As for this thing being to easy: There is an item in the game that is worth 1.000.000 Credits. It is *not* just lying around somewhere.
The idea was to let the player chose how hard he wants the game to be. You can win easily by exploring, easily by trading, a little less easily by pirating, and the least easy by finding the amulet of yendor (Wich isn't an amulet and of course also goes by a different name)
Does it have endings like ADOM? Win the easy way and you become a God, then get slaughtered by some other champion :P
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 02:41:40 am
That is one of the parts that could definitely use some polish. (Finding the amulet currently yields one line and only if you make a dump file)
Post by: Neonivek on May 02, 2009, 02:43:59 am
Though a bit too far... it would be interesting if you could enter a negative universe where all the diplomatic situations were reversed.
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 02:53:41 am
Post by: codezero on May 02, 2009, 03:04:48 am
The print to the bottom of the screen prints to the line below the bottom of the screen, shifting the previous displayed stuff upwards every turn.
And the keys feel sluggish.
EDIT: Actually that print thing doesn't happen if you maximise the terminal, but the keys still seem sluggish. Often when I try to move in space view the ship will do nothing but a turn passes (though that's probably a gameplay element.) The main problem now is the display for some tiles ie:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Those question marks in space change colour every turn.
Post by: Captain Mayday on May 02, 2009, 03:09:46 am
Post by: GFXiNXS on May 02, 2009, 03:15:38 am
And now my two cents:
I stumbled across a bug whilst on a planet reading "Picking up radio transmission:'going for at 0:0'
It initially read "Picking up radio transmission:'going for palladium deposits at 51:13' or something similar but after displaying three or so times it just spammed the aforementioned line.
Cheers again.
Edit: Firing at an away team's vessel reads the message "It is slightly dent now" which should read "It is slightly dented now" :)
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 03:27:13 am
While this can be fixed and i even know how, it is not something that can be done in half an hour. :( Ah well: another thing for the todo list
@ Captain Mayday: Anything i can do to improve the game I do with pleasure. especially if it doesn't require much work ;) So if you run across one, point it out!
@GFXinXS Thanks for both cheers and both cents! (see above) ;)
Post by: chaoticag on May 02, 2009, 03:35:38 am
Post by: codezero on May 02, 2009, 03:36:51 am
Do you want me to mail the compiled source to the address you listed? It seems to work fine other than the gas clouds. Or you might want to wait 'till it's consistent.
Post by: Neonivek on May 02, 2009, 03:37:17 am
Ugh "Fast as a rock, sharp as a bowling ball"... I wish I could get that quote out of my head (they said it because I usually didn't know what was going on... that and I kept refering to a woman as male)
I do have a question for those who played this:
Should I hold out and wait until the game is more playable and thus more impressive or is it satisfying enough right now that a small go wouldn't be so bad?
Post by: chaoticag on May 02, 2009, 03:39:54 am
Post by: Little on May 02, 2009, 03:41:34 am
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 04:26:37 am
So maybe i better make a clean linux version before i start throwing it at people.
Post by: Karlito on May 02, 2009, 04:27:16 am
I am getting the slight idea that Magellen is the guy working on it... but subtext, implied meanings, and inferences are my weakness so I may be reading too far into this.So is reading the whole thread apparently. ;)
Yes, Magellan is the guy working on this.
Post by: codezero on May 02, 2009, 04:35:06 am
Post by: Neonivek on May 02, 2009, 04:37:52 am
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So is reading the whole thread apparently
I thought I did but I guess I skimmed too much or took his original wording differnetly.
Post by: Captain Mayday on May 02, 2009, 04:38:54 am
ship select screen reads 'Chose ship.' should be 'Choose ship'
Scout text reads: 'can hold some highrade Equipment'. should be 'can hold some high-grade equipment.'
Long range fighter: 'It can't hold a big crew or cargo, but strong weapons...', should be 'It can't hold a big crew or cargo, but can carry strong weapons...'
Light transport: 'Not built to defend itself it is the...' should be 'Not built to defend itself, it is the...'
Troop transport: 'Usually used for invasions. But it can be used for exploring as well, especially on planets with many hostile lifeforms.' should be 'Usually used for invasions, it can also be used for exploration, particularly on planets with many hostile lifeforms.'
Destroyer: '...It can also load enough fuel to get it where it's needed and deliver a considerable amount of ground troops.' should be '...It can load enough fuel to get it where it's needed and can deploy a considerable number of ground troops.'
Merchantman: 'Still an easy target without escorts. Though smaller pirate ships might think twice about attacking it. ' should be 'While it is an easy target without escorts, smaller pirate ships may think twice about attacking it.'
Battleship: 'A spacecombat powerhouse. Designed to obliberate enemy fleets. It's only weak point is its low endurance. Long missions aren't its strong point.' should be 'Designed to obliterate enemy fleets, it is the powerhouse of a fleet. Its low endurance is its weakness, making long missions difficult.'
Heavy troop carrier: '...operate without escorts proteting it.' should be '...operate without escorts protecting it.'
This is just the ones I've found for the ships.
After starting the game:
'... and finding ressources your goal...' should be '... and finding resources. Your goal...'
'but beware...' should be 'But beware...'
'You start your carreer...' -> 'You start your career'
Sensor (ECM I system and ECM II system) - 'Designend to prevent...' -> 'Designed to prevent...'
Rail gun 'Warheads are ommited...' -> 'Warheads are omitted...', and '...allow for smaler easier to...' -> '...allow for smaller, easier to...' and 'Ammuniton' -> 'Ammunition'
Fuel tank: 'Not the savest way...' -> 'Not the safest way...'
Post by: Neonivek on May 02, 2009, 04:40:22 am
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Scout text reads: 'can hold some highrade Equipment'. should be 'can hold some highgrate equipment.'
I am going to call you out on this. I personally think it is 'can hold some highgrade equipment'
Though I am kinda hoping I am wrong if ONLY because "Highgrate" only deepens the mystery.
Post by: Captain Mayday on May 02, 2009, 04:41:27 am
QuoteScout text reads: 'can hold some highrade Equipment'. should be 'can hold some highgrate equipment.'
I am going to call you out on this. I personally think it is 'can hold some highgrade equipment'
Blah, you won't believe that I spotted that and forgot to fix my own typo.
Post by: Neonivek on May 02, 2009, 04:47:16 am
Rather... it is just the "While" part that just throws you off.
As a throw away suggestion (because indicating a problem without offering a solution is sometimes considered rude)
"An easy target more then a match for small pirate ships"
Hmm that doesn't work much either... then again I didn't have my faith in my own writing.
Post by: Captain Mayday on May 02, 2009, 04:49:23 am
Some of your corrections however need thematic corrections as they are too wordy such as: 'While it is an easy target without escorts, smaller pirate ships may think twice about attacking it.'
Rather... it is just the "While" part that just throws you off.
As a throw away suggestion (because indicating a problem without offering a solution is sometimes considered rude)
"An easy target more then a match for small pirate ships"
Hmm that doesn't work much either... then again I didn't have my faith in my own writing.
I am having trouble getting a feel for the appropriate length as it seems to vary. I would gladly offer full sets of replacements based on Magellan's preference for short and sweet, or slightly flavorful.
Post by: WorkerDrone on May 02, 2009, 04:52:42 am
This game needs more flavor text. Since as of now it won't achieve the sheer interactivity that Dwarf Fortress has, having the ability to manage your crew to some extent, customize your ship in more ways than weapons, scanners and shield generators, and a bit more Lore would make your game more interesting (And just let me say this is a nice looking game so far, though I haven't played into it as much as I wish yet) than it already is.
To give this game more playtime for one thing, you should have the ability to command other ships. A good system for this would be recommended aswell. Though I'm not sure how you would choose to go about this, as it could be hard to implement, or go against your goals for this game, it would in my opinion make it fun. Seeing as how you can buy a Battleship, I don't see why you can't also have a small fleet of ships aswell.
Another thing that might or may not get worked on, in the future along with the rest of these things, is the Away Team. Right now they just happen to be a bunch of Redshirts that stand for HP.(though I may just be the only one who thinks of them as the Marines from Aliens. They Marines all die, but they look kick ass doing it).
It would be nice if they we're actually individuals, and along with an actual equip system, had the items from the armoury on them. Instead of manually doing the equipment of 30-70 guys, you could just get a screen that showed which items your team would use. You have 15 Plasma weapons but have 25 Security? Than equip the remaining 10 with Lazer Rifles. All done with the - and + like everything else.
But yeah, all I can suggest at this point is flavor text, more interactivity, and a bit of fine tuning, and this game would be a blast.
And to top off all that, let me add that all of the above is not likely to be added any time soon due to time constraints. So...now you people can't say anything about me asking for a ton of shit. :P
Post by: codezero on May 02, 2009, 05:17:20 am
If you hit enter a couple of times on sensors that don't fit and can't afford, it buys the sensors anyway, and gives you some credits.
If you try to buy a hull you can't afford it says "you don't have enough money", and then clears the menu so you can't navigate out of it most of the time.
Post by: niltrias on May 02, 2009, 05:18:27 am
Destroyer: '...It can also load enough fuel to get it where it's needed and deliver a considerable amount of ground troops.' should be '...It can load enough fuel to get it where it's needed and can deploy a considerable number of ground troops.'
I don`t see a problem with the word deliver here. You can deliver people as well as deploy them. Deploy does sound more...militaristic, tho.
Merchantman: 'Still an easy target without escorts. Though smaller pirate ships might think twice about attacking it. ' should be 'While it is an easy target without escorts, smaller pirate ships may think twice about attacking it.'
Hmm. This is a tough one. It might be too long, but I`d say something like:
"While it is an easy target when not protected by escorts, smaller pirate ships may think twice about attacking it."
or, more simply
"It is well enough protected to make smaller pirates think twice about attacking it."
Battleship: 'A spacecombat powerhouse. Designed to obliberate enemy fleets. It's only weak point is its low endurance. Long missions aren't its strong point.' should be 'Designed to obliterate enemy fleets, it is the powerhouse of a fleet. Its low endurance is its weakness, making long missions difficult.'This doesn`t need much change. How about
"A space combat powerhouse, designed to obliterate enemy fleets. Its only weak point is its low endurance; long missions are not its strong point."
Honestly, though, the spelling errors didn`t really bother me.
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 05:23:04 am
@ codezero. I was just thinking that it might be just a console config thing :) Can you do me one more favour and test if save/load works? because that was where i was excpecting problems to occur.
@workerdrone
Fleets have crossed my mind, immediately followed by an "oh my god..."
As for:
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you could just get a screen that showed which items your team would use. You have 15 Plasma weapons but have 25 Security? Than equip the remaining 10 with Lazer Rifles. All done with the - and + like everything else.
They do that! and if one with a plasma rifle dies one with a laser rifle grabs it. There isn't really a meaningful decision for the player to make here.
Post by: codezero on May 02, 2009, 05:43:05 am
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 05:56:05 am
among other things that function checks against a string if the key is allowed and waits for another one if it isn't.
I therefore doubt that multikey is going to help, since you need it in a string anyway for the check. (and modifiying that codepart looks like a nice piece of work to me)
But: If you want to do it, and it works: Great! feel free!
Also: you looked at the code and you *didn't* go blind?
Post by: codezero on May 02, 2009, 06:09:55 am
Post by: Tormy on May 02, 2009, 06:33:10 am
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 07:11:09 am
What have you been doing when it crashed? And did it freeze or crash?
Post by: Muz on May 02, 2009, 07:40:17 am
Post by: WorkerDrone on May 02, 2009, 07:52:12 am
Or let me put it this way. If things work like described, and you equip the better equipment out of what you own, than theres absolutely NO FLAVOR AT ALL in the action that it makes it 'almost' pointless to have names for such equipment.
You might as well name the weapons in tiers, like zappy gun 1 through 5, and Super Secret Weapon Version 2.
Maybe its just me, in fact, its almost certainly just me, but there isn't anyway I can play a game with no flavor text at all. I guess I'll just have to stick with ASCII Sector, no matter how hard the game was for me.
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 08:32:31 am
They are basically zappy gun 1-5, and they need to be because everything else leads to a micromanagement nightmare. Especially with the turnover rate those redshirts tend to have.
As to piratehunting:
There are quite a few things that influence pirate/merchant/patrolboat populations, so it is pretty impossible to predict how and where they grow/decline. But every (what was it, 6?) few turns a new fleet enters, so the later the game the more likely you are to run into other ships.
Post by: Muz on May 02, 2009, 09:45:08 am
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 10:15:37 am
oh hell... they don't ... working on it :-[
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 01:14:46 pm
Post by: beorn080 on May 02, 2009, 03:31:09 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on May 02, 2009, 04:21:43 pm
I also tried being a merchant, and feel that the starting merchant ship shouldn't come with all 5 security officers already hired. With the trade prices being apparently random, even a few bad could easily bankrupt the player early on. My best pure merchant game so far was one where a pirate attacked me and got a lucky strike in that just blew up all my security officers. 30 credits to dock is much easier to pay than 80.
WARNING: I know nothing of game balance.
Post by: Neonivek on May 02, 2009, 05:17:00 pm
Engines though don't need to be limited it just has to come with natural manuverability issues.
Afterall in essence a Battleship is just a huge ship with thick walls.
Post by: wallish on May 02, 2009, 06:05:08 pm
1) Since you now have to manually inspect every plant, could they maybe be worth more in data? Or maybe make the grass auto-scanned at 1 point and the trees/bushes manual scan at, say, 5-10 points like creatures?
2) This is a big one, and I'm not sure how simple it would be to do (not very, I'd assume). Basically, it'd be great if we had a sort of database/encyclopedia/catalog of scanned creatures and plants. When a player lands of a planet for the first time, let them name it (or just assign names to stars and then numbers to planets, e.g. Earth = Sol-3, or randomly QX-3). Then as we scan creatures put them into that database under the star->planet->category they were found in. So if I found a mammal on planet QX-3 the database would go QX->QX-3->mammals->[whatever]. This feature really does not seem like an anytime soon feature. It'd require planet naming, creature naming, features for plants, etc. It would be neat though :)
Post by: magellan on May 02, 2009, 06:43:18 pm
Shipstatus and the sidebar don't display movement points for spacecombat correctly. (In spacecombat it does however)
the formula is this: MP=3+engine-hullpoints/20
So while a 50 HP, engine 5 battleship is still pretty fast with 6 MP it really doesn't want to get too many engine hits :)
There are actually quite a few ways to balance here, wich is propably why its so easy to screw it up :)
Oh: and prices aren't random. there is a supply /demand thing that is random, and merchants
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spicing up botany.... definitely wouldn't hurt. thx for the feedback
Post by: ToonyMan on May 02, 2009, 06:48:54 pm
EDIT: This game rocks! I approve.
Post by: Captain Mayday on May 02, 2009, 10:02:37 pm
Post by: codezero on May 02, 2009, 10:49:57 pm
@Captain Mayday: I believe it has to continuosly poll the keyboard, otherwise how will it know when you press a key?
EDIT: For a couple of versions now, explored tiles on the spacemap haven't been showing up. I thought it was just linux but it happens in windows too.
Post by: Captain Mayday on May 02, 2009, 11:16:23 pm
Post by: ductape on May 02, 2009, 11:19:00 pm
Post by: magellan on May 03, 2009, 03:40:57 am
EDIT: For a couple of versions now, explored tiles on the spacemap haven't been showing up. I thought it was just linux but it happens in windows too.
That's actually not a bug (hard to believe eh? ;) ). I figured since the map is so small you would have explored it in no time otherwise. But there is an item that records your journey: navigational computer. pretty cheap at 350, but not standard issue. (I just realized that while it would also tell you your coordinates it does so in a positon on the screen that gets overdrawn... that *is* a bug.)
Edit: Found the CPU time hogger, another facepalm moment.
codezero: could this be what makes the game sluggish on linux?
keyin function reads:
Code: [Select]
do
sleep 1
do
key=ucase(inkey)
loop until key<>"" or walking<>0 or just_run=1
while it should read
Code: [Select]
do
do
sleep 1
key=ucase(inkey)
loop until key<>"" or walking<>0 or just_run=1
Post by: codezero on May 03, 2009, 04:44:51 am
I just had an idea and tried something, but it only fixed the problem with the turns.
Thinking that it might be racking up a few keypresses with the inkey statement I replaced that line in the keyin function with
key=mid(ucase(inkey),1,1)
Don't understand why but it works.
EDIT: ahh i know it's probably because my console doesn't support extended ascii, so inkey can't pick it up properly.
EDIT2: I got it working well with by replacing the inkey loop with screenevent (and getting rid of the multikey stuff):
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
screen 9 , , gfx_null
It does cause some funkiness though(with the color scheme). I feel bad derailing this thread with code, you should get your own forum or should I post stuff in issues?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 03, 2009, 08:03:41 am
You are standing next to an alien creature. You press the F button. The creature attacks. You are asked which direction to fire, and then fire. The creature attacks again.
As opposed to:
You are standing next to a creature, and you bump into him to attack. You hit them. they attack you.
It appears keypresses that bring up an menu or action get counted as turns, as opposed to the ending of whatever action it was supposed to invoke.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 03, 2009, 09:30:04 am
Post by: magellan on May 03, 2009, 09:31:11 am
Noted and added to the list
@codezero. issues is fine, of course email works too, and thanks for the help!
Post by: ToonyMan on May 03, 2009, 09:33:41 am
I'd say bug.
Noted and added to the list
@codezero. issues is fine, of course email works too, and thanks for the help!
Oh, you're the developer? Neat. MAKE BIGGER PLANETS. HUGE!
Post by: chaoticag on May 03, 2009, 09:38:33 am
Post by: ToonyMan on May 03, 2009, 09:40:18 am
Post by: magellan on May 03, 2009, 11:06:02 am
You know what I mean. It would be cool if you could (A) explore a much bigger area with (B) more interesting discoveries.
Definitely yes on the B, there needs to be much more stuff, but the A, while rather easy to do cancels out the B to some extent.
So i rather work on the B.
Also there are planets twice the mass of earth, we don't really now that much about their size ;)
Post by: ToonyMan on May 03, 2009, 11:30:15 am
Post by: chaoticag on May 03, 2009, 12:14:10 pm
I just had some alien guy called Apollo who thought he was god, he killed all my security and forced me to workship him for the rest of my life. ;DHappened to me about three times.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 03, 2009, 12:46:47 pm
I just had some alien guy called Apollo who thought he was god, he killed all my security and forced me to workship him for the rest of my life. ;DHappened to me about three times.
You make me feel so happy inside...
Post by: beorn080 on May 03, 2009, 01:05:04 pm
Post by: Neonivek on May 03, 2009, 02:23:29 pm
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Just so long as there's no sort of tribbleations I'll be happy
Hmmm there is something to be said about having your ship infected or even your characters.
One thing you MAY need to work on is what type of creature is allowed what (well not "Allow" but what type of creature tends to have what)
I am fighting a 4 tentacle insect (and oddly a 4 tentacle Lizard... I think I am on Tentacle Planet)
Alright... this is weird... I am being attacked by "Flying Flying Leafs" on a planet... and it is apperantly uninteresting (though given that it is the closest planet to a space station it makes sense)
Post by: magellan on May 03, 2009, 03:12:24 pm
It isn't exactly common down here and afaik unknown on insects, but it happens... ;)
The flying flying leaf is noted however :)
Post by: Neonivek on May 03, 2009, 03:32:00 pm
I went to a planet with a 0% chance of life and found an insect and got only 30 Biodata points for some reason. (I also found a second insect... >.> but it was friendly)
I think Insects that defy the current universal view of the sustainability of life would be worth quite a bit.
Then again there was an abandoned spaceship so these insects could be the crew or the crew mutated into insects. (If only that was possible :P)
Alright I am starting to think it is because of my scanners... I found a 0% life planet with trees...
On a side note: How do you drug creatures or feed them? do you need to buy the Food Cargo?
As a sugestion: You should be able to somehow recruit intelligent friendly creatures you find on planets.
Edit Addition: Alright I think my Scientist is simply stupid... this is my 5th Life filled planet incapable of sustaining life so far.
Post by: magellan on May 03, 2009, 04:07:27 pm
The thought hasn't occured to me and its definitely a good idea! The lower the chances for life, the higher the biodata! gonna nib that.
generally speaking: player monster interaction: yep... definitely room for lots of improvement there!
Post by: pilgrimboy on May 03, 2009, 04:12:24 pm
I have been playing and enjoying the game. Thanks for making it. Can I support the game financially by donating to Bay 12? ;)
Anyway, the only suggestion I have at the moment is that I would like for the color of an inspected plant or dead animal to turn a different color. That way I can know which ones I have inspected and which ones I have not.
Thanks.
Post by: Neonivek on May 03, 2009, 05:58:54 pm
I found a creature that has two tentacles and three tentacles.
Found another bug: No arms with 0 short legs. (Shouldn't it say no legs?)
Lastly I discovered that you always walk in the dirrection you throw a grenade... It killed my whole Crew (Curses those Forcefields are useless!)
Post by: BishopX on May 03, 2009, 10:12:12 pm
A couple of issues though...
-Minor typo with the mining drill: "It's to hard" -> "It's too hard"
-creature weight seems off. Vicious mammals weigh ~4-8kg and can kill 2+ armed&armored humans in 1 go? What are they, the rabbit from Monty Python?
-lack of coordinate read out
-do gas bubbles underground screw up the controls?
Post by: Neonivek on May 03, 2009, 10:19:10 pm
Goodness if you ever got the chance to go to earth you would be KILLED!
Post by: niltrias on May 03, 2009, 10:30:43 pm
(I)nspect:
Chasing down slain aliens and performing autopsies on their bodies is fun, and it nets you enough biodata to be worthwhile. On the other hand, hitting "I" a couple hundred times on a forest planet for 1 point each is considerably less fun. I think the old way of collecting plant data was better.
Resources:
Slightly more realistic, and a lot more interesting as far as making special planets -- how about making rare, valuable minerals (Transuranium (sp?), exotic gems, etc,) rarer on the surface of planets? Wandering around the surface could net you iron, copper, occasionally gold, non-exotic gems, aluminum, etc, but in order to get the really good stuff you would have to go under the surface of the planet. This means that mining-specialized players would be especially interested in finding caves, while more hunter-specialized players would search for high life planets.
On a related note, putting more of the minerals in rubble (especially underground) would make the mining devices much more critical. Mining devices could start at 500, and require say 50 oxygen to use. An improved mining device could cost 1500 and require 25 oxygen to use. Advanced mining devices cost about 5000 and require 10 oxygen to use. (the oxygen here represents time and work on behalf of the crew, not actual fuel for the device.)
Mobility:
Does anyone use hover platforms? I never have. Water isn`t enough of a barrier to bother me, and when it is I just land on the planet again. I suggest making more or all water deep (what good is shallow water in the game?) and ice dangerous to walk on -- a 1% chance of it cracking or you falling into a crevice. Suddenly hoverplatforms seem more attractive if i need to get around ALL water and ice safely.
How about adding rock-climbing gear to get around mountains? Maybe steal a page from ADOM and have two types of mountains, normal mountains and high mountains. If the water ice suggestion were also used, in the early game people would have to specialize in either mountainous terrain or watery terrain. Up the price on the Jumpjets to 3000/set of 5 and you push them into the midgame, which is where I think they belong.
Semi-special planets --
A bit more flavor text would be nice. Instead of just the super special planets (Sandworms, Apollo etc) getting flavor text, why not have more common types of planets also have flavor text?
For example:
--High vegatation worlds:
"Sensor reading report a thick layer of vegatation on this planet. What appears to be the surface of the planet is, in fact, a mid-level canopy of a planet-spanning rain forest."
--Large amounts of minerals:
"Sensor readings show an amazing amount of concentrated mineral deposits on or very near the surface."
--Earthquakes
"A high level of tectonic activity has been detected on the surface. It seems that this planet`s mantle is very thin, and magma leaks to the surface are dangerously common."
--Sub levels
"We are getting some strange readings from this planet. Apparently, this planet is honeycombed by massive subterranean caverns, reaching far below the surface."
Etc.
What do you think?
Post by: Neonivek on May 03, 2009, 10:38:12 pm
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Does anyone use hover platforms? I never have.
I think they also SEMI-Protect from Acid and Lava... The Semi comes from the fact that they also splash.
Though they are all secondary to Jetpacks which make mountainous planets barable
As a suggestion: The Objects a place sells should shift from time to time. I started a game where all three space stations had no Auxilery Oxygen supply... Meaning unless I found any I couldn't fully explore Toxic planets with a deep underground.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 03, 2009, 10:42:32 pm
A planet with the replacement water type being magma. Aka, molten worlds.
Post by: Neonivek on May 03, 2009, 10:43:39 pm
They are unfortunately almost impossible to move on because eventually lava is everywhere and your crew will die.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 03, 2009, 10:54:07 pm
There are SORTA Molten worlds they just usually don't start that way.Correction: There are highly volcanic worlds that rapidly degrade into an ocean of magma and rock, making one question how plants or solid land ever grew there. Heck, how are there plants with no atmosphere?
They are unfortunately almost impossible to move on because eventually lava is everywhere and your crew will die.
Post by: niltrias on May 03, 2009, 11:22:00 pm
Post by: ductape on May 03, 2009, 11:30:20 pm
small, but still annoying.
Post by: Captain Mayday on May 03, 2009, 11:31:50 pm
does anyone else have the problem, when your game is over it says" pres (esc) to continue, but then just closes. I have to restart the game every time.
small, but still annoying.
Yeah, it'd be better if quitting were optional. I know most roguelikes exit after failure, but really, no reason for them to /need/ to. Besides, Prospector games tend to be short and brutal.
Post by: Kusgnos on May 04, 2009, 01:20:54 am
Post by: magellan on May 04, 2009, 02:27:02 am
that's wierd. well, another thing to look into ... yay i guess :)
Anyway: If you xamine the reptiles you will find that some of them wear blue helmets (and ask you to kill the redhelmets) and others wear red helmets (and ask you to kill the blue helmets)
They don't attack each other (because, honestly, my monsters can't do that, a thing i need to teach them soonish) and there is no reward for assisting one side in genocide :)
Hmm.... i could make them more obviously red and blue and less yellow i guess...
Also: actually stuff does get better the deeper you get. Maybe its a tad to subtle to notice though.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh: and i don't accept donations under 50.000 Euro. It's just too much hassle ;)
Post by: niltrias on May 04, 2009, 02:59:03 am
And a communications satellite spoiler:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on May 04, 2009, 04:35:06 am
Fire? There are several structures especially at Alien Ruins that I would love to destroy.
The game has possibly the most hillarious scale issues pretty much ever!
Post by: WorkerDrone on May 04, 2009, 04:44:49 am
What use is there a world you can't walk on?
...
Well, it would be a nice bauble perhaps, if only it this game had any flavor at all. Yes its still the only complaint I can get out at this point. The games nice, I liked it as a roguelike. Good fun, even though I never played it long enough to find out many features.
The game world got really stale really fast, so I think I won't be playing till its developed more.
Post by: niltrias on May 04, 2009, 05:53:41 am
Keep it coming, magellan!
Post by: magellan on May 05, 2009, 01:17:36 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: niltrias on May 05, 2009, 02:03:23 am
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Post by: magellan on May 05, 2009, 03:06:02 am
Erm... bug. Looking into it.
Post by: niltrias on May 05, 2009, 03:27:38 am
Post by: WorkerDrone on May 05, 2009, 03:30:48 am
Yeah when I first played, my fuel counter went UP not down.
Heh. Twas funny.
Post by: magellan on May 05, 2009, 03:38:35 am
0.1.6 is on it's way, with most if not all stuff mentioned here fixed, but it still needs a little.
Post by: MrWiggles on May 05, 2009, 03:44:48 am
Post by: magellan on May 05, 2009, 03:53:23 am
Post by: Okenido on May 05, 2009, 04:18:08 am
Once in a livetime.
Should be:
Once in a lifetime.
Post by: magellan on May 05, 2009, 04:23:25 am
Though i'd like to say that that is propably the most spectacular planet in the game, though landing on it is a bit like playing russian roulette with 5 bullets... :)
Post by: MrWiggles on May 05, 2009, 04:39:46 am
Metinks me has worked out most things that caused problems under linux. 0.1.6 will almost definitely propably run there. Mac OS X shouldnt be a problem either then, but i thought so before and was mistaken, so let us not rule out the possibility of me being wrong again :)
Oh cool. I'm no stranger to running games through the terminal. I had to do so with ADOM, as that port was more stable the stand alone app, for some bizarre reason.
Post by: chaoticag on May 05, 2009, 07:04:11 am
Post by: magellan on May 05, 2009, 07:23:13 am
right, it was a feature.
One i decided to no longer include for the next release, but a feature no less.
;)
Post by: chaoticag on May 07, 2009, 10:05:48 am
Post by: magellan on May 07, 2009, 12:05:26 pm
Also it won't be all that revolutionary, but more in the polishing department, bughunting.
I strongly advise against holding your breath while waiting for it :)
Post by: ductape on May 07, 2009, 03:59:40 pm
i was getting kinda purple
Post by: niltrias on May 07, 2009, 08:23:09 pm
Post by: magellan on May 08, 2009, 05:51:50 am
quick question: does it happen in short games with little equipment too or only when you have been around for a while? I take it disappearing jumppacks disappear for real i.e. you can't jump anymore when they do that?
Post by: chaoticag on May 08, 2009, 06:04:52 am
Post by: magellan on May 08, 2009, 07:55:17 am
*starts looking for the "only loose items if player<>developer" flag
Edit to add: while i totally know that this is not what i should be playing around with, since i should be debugging, it was fun to do and i think its pretty: 0.1.6 title screen:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2mfai2q.jpg)
Now i need to find out if i am going to get sued by nasa if i use that background ... *strolls off to find out*
Post by: codezero on May 08, 2009, 09:10:48 am
EDIT:Nah I thought I realised why but I was wrong.
Post by: magellan on May 08, 2009, 10:41:01 am
Maybe that points me in a direction i haven't considered yet or ... well... i have *no* idea why it would be doing that (after looking into some likely culprits). I appreciate any input.
Post by: codezero on May 08, 2009, 11:21:50 pm
a=getplanet(foo,bar)
and then later
*item(a).scanmod
where a still equals the selected planet I believe. Is that right? Or maybe that's just how you've got your item array set up.
I wouldn't worry about it for now, I couldn't replicate it last night, maybe it was in an older version. And it's a pretty minor annoyance at any rate.
Post by: magellan on May 09, 2009, 02:12:41 am
While that doesn't explain items disappearing it explains some scanning oddities!
Thank you!
Post by: codezero on May 09, 2009, 03:02:33 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So if a =-1 and you do stuff with item(-1) it could be messing with the lastitem variable. (vars are stored in memory in reverse order or something)
Post by: magellan on May 09, 2009, 03:30:05 am
But since a gets checked for being >0 and a planet right before that and there are more items than planets there can't be an out of bounds there.
It could be an out of bounds somewhere else of course, but where? :)
*continues the search*
Edit:
This could be it. not 100% positive but I think i found the problem
Post by: codezero on May 09, 2009, 06:11:34 am
Post by: magellan on May 09, 2009, 07:19:36 am
* Make my monsters do stuff again now that they can have other targets than the player
* Add a few ship weapons
* Find out if my monsters only rarely build huts of never ever build huts (And make them build huts more often) (Speaking of: anybody here ever saw a hut in the current version?)
* yesterday a spider without arms shot me with a bow... that obviously needs some work on consistency :)
* Test the close combat weapons
* Maybe add another unique planet for wich i have one half of an idea (Will add if i can find the other half)
Post by: chaoticag on May 09, 2009, 07:35:36 am
Post by: codezero on May 09, 2009, 12:31:26 pm
Post by: magellan on May 09, 2009, 12:41:16 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 09, 2009, 01:23:30 pm
Also, does ship radar show ships on the planetary map or just ship combat? I want to pirate freighters dammit!
Post by: ToonyMan on May 09, 2009, 01:25:39 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 09, 2009, 01:30:17 pm
Post by: magellan on May 09, 2009, 02:57:28 pm
... guess upping fleet production a little wouldn't hurt though...
Post by: codezero on May 10, 2009, 12:38:15 am
Post by: magellan on May 10, 2009, 04:08:38 am
I want to see YAVPs!
Because: i am aware of one, and any other now would technicaly be the first YA, winning a cookie or something... :)
Post by: codezero on May 10, 2009, 07:13:21 am
Post by: niltrias on May 10, 2009, 07:30:10 am
You Are a Veritable Prospector?
You Aquired Venereal Peccadillos?
Heheh.
No idea. Never bothered getting the money together.
Post by: magellan on May 10, 2009, 07:42:26 am
YAVP= yet another victory post
I must say i am kinda suprised. Thought that was a rather common term.
Anyway the one i know of would be here:
http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=341.msg2643#msg2643
Post by: chaoticag on May 10, 2009, 08:03:00 am
Post by: magellan on May 10, 2009, 08:39:07 am
Hmmm... ok what i thought was causing the item issue wasn't causing all of it...working on it guys.
Post by: codezero on May 10, 2009, 08:49:57 am
Post by: magellan on May 10, 2009, 09:49:37 am
... did that get through in any way? :)
(also congratulations, that's the first reported incident of amulet of yendor finding)
Post by: ToonyMan on May 10, 2009, 09:52:52 am
Post by: codezero on May 10, 2009, 12:40:41 pm
Post by: a1s on May 10, 2009, 12:42:08 pm
Anyway the one i know of would be here:um... that's from version 0.1.0, a lot has changed since then.
http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=341.msg2643#msg2643
Post by: magellan on May 10, 2009, 01:28:30 pm
If I mean the same thing as you, codezero with "you know what I mean" then that is of course extremely helpfull for the chicken and running away part :P
hmm... that part needs some really unique monstes to stand out doesn't it?
Post by: niltrias on May 10, 2009, 06:32:38 pm
Post by: karmatic on May 11, 2009, 05:32:54 pm
Post by: Grey_313 on May 15, 2009, 04:16:39 am
Post by: chaoticag on May 15, 2009, 07:31:08 am
Post by: codezero on May 15, 2009, 09:39:09 am
http://www.freebasic.net/index.php/download
put fbc.exe into the directory where the prospector source code is (prospector/src), or put fbc.exe in your path if you know how.
now open up a command prompt and from the ..\prospector\src\ directory type in "fbc prospector.bas" (without the quotes)
Should work. Your new prospector.exe will be in the src directory.
Post by: Grey_313 on May 15, 2009, 02:12:59 pm
Edit: It did not work. Variable not declared in ProsIO.bas (something about autosaving), along with implicit variable allocation in it, also about autosaves, and then variable not declared/implicit variable allocation about minimum safe distance to pirate planets in ProsIO.bas. Apparently it's something wrong with lines 143 and 144, I'll post them here so you don't have to find them.
text=text &"/ Autosave on entering station:" & onoff(_autosave)
text=text &"/ Minimum safe distance to pirate planets:" & onoff(_minsafe)
Post by: codezero on May 16, 2009, 01:31:59 am
dim shared as byte _startrandom=0
Now type in
dim shared as byte _autosave = 1
dim shared as byte _minsafe = 1
you could write those lines anywhere in the file i just suggest 34 for neatness. Now save it and recompile. Good chance it'll work this time.
If you're wondering why you open up types.bas when the problem seems to be in ProsIO it's that there's nothing wrong with those lines in ProsIO, but the developer forgot to declare the variables(get them ready to be used) beforehand.
Post by: Grey_313 on May 16, 2009, 01:59:02 am
Post by: Nirur Torir on May 29, 2009, 05:31:57 am
Anyway, I found a crash bug in 0.1.5f. I was scanning a planet from orbit, and it locked up and started monopolizing my processor before the point where it should have shown the scan results screen. Unfortunately that's all the info I have on it; the save file is gone and I wasn't save scumming.
Post by: niltrias on May 29, 2009, 06:36:22 pm
Post by: magellan on May 29, 2009, 06:38:30 pm
I am hoping to get it out the door this weekend.
Post by: magellan on May 31, 2009, 07:15:35 am
Lookie here
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/downloads/list
Post by: niltrias on May 31, 2009, 07:16:33 am
Post by: niltrias on May 31, 2009, 07:18:54 am
Edit
And you added close combat weapons! I dont think I will be studying for a while..
Post by: magellan on May 31, 2009, 07:29:21 am
Gotta say though: your suggestions concerning the weapons were very sound! thanks for those!
Post by: niltrias on May 31, 2009, 07:36:06 am
I can already tell (one death into the game) that you have added a LOT of depth. Rogue planets, the new away team, that thing that just literally ATE my ship....
I dont want to give away too much, but I take my hat off to you, sir.
Post by: magellan on May 31, 2009, 07:45:50 am
Post by: BishopX on May 31, 2009, 12:49:34 pm
Is there a way to leave crew members on the ship?
a couple of bugs:
-Game crashes when you open the config menu in space
-Vibra knives and vibraswords have the same stats despite different costs
-if you have too many saved games the prompt doesn't let you select which one to overwrite
-There were a couple of times when the screen didn't clear or refresh properly:
-When opening the config menu inside a buy menu on the station
-When scrolling down through inventory on planet (I think it was the offer caommand) the entire screen scrolls too.
-Several of the new option in space don't have a Y/n prompt. I've noticed this so far with merchants and asteriod mining.
-You get funking behavior is you [L]and on an asteroid belt.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 31, 2009, 12:56:34 pm
Post by: magellan on May 31, 2009, 01:18:07 pm
As for vibro swords and vibro knifes: swords 0.8, knifes 0.6 here and i didnt touch it since i uploaded it so: huh?
and the config thing: tested it with tiles & ascii right now and also have to answer thus:
http://xkcd.com/583/
any details on how it crashes? config.txt is in the same folder as prospector.exe i take it? did you try deleting config.txt (if you do he should make a new one once you open the config.) ... erm... anybody else having that problem?
edit to add: the sell me your secrets thing is just a random sentence, i confess. Besides: that would be against the prime directive, and what would you do with local currency anyway? Buy a nice stonehut? :)
Edit again: ohhhh it crashes in the start screen! eeek. yes it does that. looking into it. (that's wierd)
Post by: The Dude on May 31, 2009, 04:14:22 pm
Even though Prospector isn't very "roguey" it's definetely my fav new roguelike of the year. I'll post back if I find any bugs in the new version.
Post by: wallish on May 31, 2009, 07:27:23 pm
Post by: BishopX on May 31, 2009, 07:30:18 pm
EDIT: Stupid BBcode
Post by: ToonyMan on May 31, 2009, 07:47:31 pm
Auto Inspection is back, turn it on with .
Excellent. *rubs hands together like Mr. Burns.*
Post by: niltrias on May 31, 2009, 08:28:14 pm
oh... yes, thats freaky. I obviously didn't test that, at least nothing crashes.
As for vibro swords and vibro knifes: swords 0.8, knifes 0.6 here and i didnt touch it since i uploaded it so: huh?
and the config thing: tested it with tiles & ascii right now and also have to answer thus:
http://xkcd.com/583/
any details on how it crashes? config.txt is in the same folder as prospector.exe i take it? did you try deleting config.txt (if you do he should make a new one once you open the config.) ... erm... anybody else having that problem?
edit to add: the sell me your secrets thing is just a random sentence, i confess. Besides: that would be against the prime directive, and what would you do with local currency anyway? Buy a nice stonehut? :)
Edit again: ohhhh it crashes in the start screen! eeek. yes it does that. looking into it. (that's wierd)
Mine shows both vibro swords and knives at .6
Post by: wallish on May 31, 2009, 09:24:06 pm
Auto Inspection is back, turn it on with .
It doesn't seem to be working for me. I hit '.' several times and it never scans anything.
*edit* It appears in keybindings as 'I'.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 31, 2009, 09:24:49 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 31, 2009, 10:03:29 pm
EDIT: By-the-way this is great! Love the new title screen.
Post by: magellan on June 01, 2009, 12:20:22 am
Also: keybindings.txt can be edited (and affects keybindings) if you don't like them.
And oooops... the swords have .6 in the desription, and .8 in the stats ... so they are as sharp as they are supposed to be, they just don't look like it ...
Oh: and: nope, no way to leave officers on board. (Gunner and science you wouldn't want to anyway) But they get skill+1 HPs so they are on the sturdier side. (a reason to buy medpacks perhaps?)
Erm: anybody had it crash on opening config in space? that remains the one i can't reproduce (title screen doesn't crash either, it just does nothing)
Oh, and thanks for giving me a severe case of blushing the dude :)
Post by: niltrias on June 01, 2009, 04:10:12 am
Two thumbs up! This will keep me busy for a while!
Post by: codezero on June 01, 2009, 05:35:30 am
If anyone wants the linux version I compiled just ask and I'll upload it somewhere, I don't recommend it though, for reasons just mentioned.
Post by: magellan on June 01, 2009, 06:03:52 am
Now if i only could reproduce BishopXs bugs (besides the display funkyness ones...)
Config works everywhere i tried, and while the overwriting thing made an unecessary pause between telling you and actually showing you the files, it works just fine over here. ???
Hummm... stuff that is new before the splash screen:
tiles.bmp gets bload-ed
fbsound
.... did you try compiling with the -mt option (fbsound is multithreading)?
Post by: Sowelu on June 01, 2009, 12:41:26 pm
Post by: Hawkfrost on June 01, 2009, 03:34:12 pm
Damn, you can make a fortune on those planets, if you don't die quickly like me.
Post by: BishopX on June 01, 2009, 05:23:28 pm
I'm running Vista if it matters.
Post by: codezero on June 01, 2009, 05:28:57 pm
Here's a backtrace, which probably doesn't mean much to you or I but you could ask on the fb forums what they might mean.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
here's another:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'll have a bit of a look at the source as well, but it could just be some way (my?) linux handles memory differently to windows, I've just updated my ubuntu to 'jaunty'.
Post by: magellan on June 01, 2009, 05:55:32 pm
@codezero
thx for trying.... segfault .... that word always makes my hairs stand up :( Asking on the freebasic forums sounds like a good plan as to what one might do. I guess I'll do that.
thanks again both.
Post by: codezero on June 01, 2009, 06:29:10 pm
' get (x,y)-(x+7,y+15),gtiles(a)
Post by: niltrias on June 01, 2009, 07:25:58 pm
The information on explored space is lost when you save and come back. So after I save, the entire map turns black again, with no light blue dots to show where i have been. all explored planets and whatnot show up just fine.
Edit - immediately after posting this, i went to a space station and docked. When I left, the map was displayed corrrectly. Ill see i can replicate this.
Post by: codezero on June 01, 2009, 08:09:12 pm
gtiles(a)=imagecreate(7,15)
should actually be
gtiles(a)=imagecreate(8,16)
Post by: magellan on June 02, 2009, 05:57:09 am
thx codezero!
@niltras
found that one (and some others), bugfix is almost but not quite on it's way.
And here it is.
as usual under http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/downloads/list
Post by: varnish on June 02, 2009, 04:02:13 pm
Also this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: codezero on June 02, 2009, 08:44:38 pm
Post by: niltrias on June 02, 2009, 09:03:10 pm
Can you guys (using windows) switch to fullscreen and back?
I can. Windows XP.
Post by: magellan on June 03, 2009, 06:58:58 am
Incidently: i had planned to make it start fullscreen if in tiles mode, but that somehow didn't work and i decided for now to put my energy into more important things than that little (if nice) feature.
Post by: BishopX on June 03, 2009, 08:51:55 am
Speaking of features, would it be possible to get more text associated with dangerous radiation levels and space combat, both are very confusing the first time you run into it.
EDIT:
Found a few new bugs:
- my satellite disappears when I enter a tunnel, and then doesn't reappear when I leave it.
-If you tell your ship to 'land' via radio and then enter a tunnel, your decides it should go were ever that cute little comm sat goes and leaves you to choke on your own exhalations.
-it seems to snow a lot in this version (was this intentional?)
Post by: magellan on June 03, 2009, 04:23:03 pm
It definitely snows more often than in the last version because it didn't snow in the last version :)
You think it's too much? It is the least deadly of all the random weather hazards.
Post by: BishopX on June 03, 2009, 04:44:28 pm
That may just be confirmation bias though.
Post by: Karlito on June 03, 2009, 04:54:39 pm
Post by: codezero on June 03, 2009, 06:58:54 pm
I was going to ask you about that screen statement, whether you intended to have 2 pages or that 2 was something else. Here's how to start maximised if tiles is 1.
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It's the third parameter that's the flag parameter, not the second. I made that mistake too in a previous post, which you might have based yours on. 1 stands for fullscreen, you can also use GFX_FULLSCREEN when 'using FB'.
Post by: magellan on June 04, 2009, 03:38:56 am
Post by: BishopX on June 04, 2009, 04:08:28 pm
Post by: Candlejack on June 04, 2009, 04:55:13 pm
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Also, can you make the scores save to their own folder?
Post by: magellan on June 04, 2009, 05:42:42 pm
Was it the latest version? (0.1.6c)? and if no, did you save the game? (there was a bug in saving/loading that might cause this)
that isn't supposed to happen as you might have guessed...
Well, more stuff to look into i guess :)
Post by: Candlejack on June 04, 2009, 05:53:00 pm
Post by: magellan on June 04, 2009, 06:23:08 pm
Dead redshirts & officers cost you points though, so yes: if you die early and that outweighs the points you made a negative score is possible.
The others will need some looking into... :/
Post by: codezero on June 04, 2009, 06:35:54 pm
Post by: magellan on June 05, 2009, 12:10:18 am
I guess thats me and not the code, huh?
Post by: Little on June 05, 2009, 12:45:12 am
Post by: magellan on June 05, 2009, 01:54:35 am
Post by: codezero on June 05, 2009, 02:40:00 am
Post by: magellan on June 05, 2009, 03:13:55 am
Something is wrong with me
this
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results in a black screen on my system and i guess it shouldn't.
Post by: codezero on June 05, 2009, 03:40:20 am
Post by: wallish on June 05, 2009, 11:11:53 am
Has anyone else encountered a?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Yes, yes I did. But I thought it was a feature. The surface was pretty average, some trees but mostly flat land with mountains. I killed a few things (including another away team!) then went into the tunnel. Oxygen was getting low so I left the tunnel (took maybe three steps). Now it was one of those crater worlds where there's mountains EVERYWHERE. Then magma started to pop up and I had to make a crazy run to my ship (almost got cut off).
Like I said, seemed like a feature.
Post by: Neonivek on June 05, 2009, 01:38:50 pm
Post by: magellan on June 07, 2009, 06:45:37 am
Though i would like to say: 48 hours and counting without a bug report!
Wich has of course 3 possible explanations :)
Post by: a1s on June 07, 2009, 07:38:49 pm
Though i would like to say: 48 hours and counting without a bug report!here you go:
in 16d, I came into the space station to basically die there, however I was faced with this optimistic message of denial:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/a1s/Clipboard01-1.png)
naturally when I exited, I still died from my life support failing (though I was actually expecting to become the station's cook ::))
Post by: magellan on June 08, 2009, 03:39:41 pm
Thanks for pointing it out!
Post by: Neonivek on June 08, 2009, 03:44:31 pm
Well that certainly defies the standard of this forum.
Post by: magellan on June 08, 2009, 05:30:12 pm
And there are still a lot of things that could be improved.
The leaps are getting smaller (Last big one was 1.4 to 1.5: Shiptypes) which dampens motivation a bit, but there seem to be some folks out there who enjoy this thing, and that is highly motivating!
Post by: Neonivek on June 08, 2009, 05:32:39 pm
How about if some planets could host cloaking devices or forcefields for planets you have yet to discover/explore that you can shut off?
I got a lot more suggestions but I need to play 1.6
Post by: magellan on June 08, 2009, 05:58:55 pm
...
That and procedural plot. ;D
Post by: Sowelu on June 08, 2009, 06:16:04 pm
That and procedural plot. ;D
I was about to post suggesting that. :D
I'd say worry about making a non procedural one first though. Gearhead's plots weren't much fun, because they were more 'procedural' than they were 'plot'. Make sure the player can actually get into it!
(also, remember that plots in a highly lethal game can be really annoying)
Post by: Neonivek on June 08, 2009, 06:31:50 pm
I mean THE POPULATION OF THE ENTIRE PLANET ATTACKED ME!!! (Not a complaint)
Interesting and I agree it is a lot more interested (though the lack of actual interactment with alien species aggrivates it) it just means for a while the start of the game is going to be tougher
One thing I was very happy to see was aliens wearing armor (though oddly I couldn't take it said armor)
One thing I find odd is how powerful Melee weapons are. Why are Combat knifes dealing more damage then Guess Pistols? Is it that they use different math?
Post by: Candlejack on June 08, 2009, 06:55:10 pm
Post by: a1s on June 08, 2009, 07:01:58 pm
Bug time!
I was just attacked by an opponent I couldn't see. which is cool, if not for the fact that I had level 3 sensors, and was attacked by laser, which has range 2!
Post by: magellan on June 08, 2009, 07:05:30 pm
The reasoning for the closecombat weapons damage is twofold:
1) The critter needs to be next to you (and can bite you)
2) they are ineffective against walls
Also the armor of critters would be an exosceleton or a chitin shell... what would you do with that? Hmmm... you know robots could drop metal resources i guess... honestly the thought hasn't occured to me. thx neonivek!
As for the "procedural plot" i was thinking very rudimentary:
Have a handfull possible scenarios of where those terribly advanced aliens went and have a handfull of planets with clues as to what it is and 1 where there is the solution (with possible consequences for the colonization of the sector) and a reward that pushes you over the winning conditions.
Edit to add: If your pilot screws up scanning can take even more than 1 unit of fuel. Oh... and scanning several times reveals more, but scanned mapdata is pays less than data you got with getting your boots dirty, so there is a decision to make here. Landing from scanning screen, yeah, that wouldn't hurt i guess.
a1s: You mean on a planet or spacecombat? The range of shipweapons shown is optimum range. Max would be optimum x3 ... hey! another thing we can make a little prettier without much hassle!
Post by: a1s on June 08, 2009, 07:34:05 pm
also, is alien holokeycard a valid mineral? I was hunting pirates in asteroid belts and my science officer found an "asteroid containing high amount of alien holokeycard"
my final question is this: are there specialists of rank above 4?
Post by: Neonivek on June 08, 2009, 07:48:53 pm
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1) The critter needs to be next to you (and can bite you)
Yeah but you can only really get 1 or 2 shots off before they close the gap anyhow. (Ignoring the fact that it is technically miles away)
It just doesn't make sense for a combat knife to defeat space age weaponry in raw damage.
One possible balancer is that Ranged weaponry may not have consistant fire but melee weaponry will always strike.
Or possibly that super strong individuals and aliens can use melee weapons to such a degree that they can match weapons that can melt through a square kilometer of solid rock in a single blast.
Really your method of balancing ranged to melee is odd to me. Is this how your going to do it or is this just to balance it currently until you can add more?
Post by: magellan on June 08, 2009, 08:05:37 pm
Officers can be up to level 5 and there might be some level 6s running around.
ranged vs nonranged...
I see your point of course.
Of course there is no reason not to shoot just because it stands next to you either. (in fact in close combat they chose the better of the two weapons) And also of course i don't imagine them as butterknifes either.
I guess one could adjust the prices a little to be closer to ranged weapons and add some description about superheated, single molecule width blades or somesuch. (and add some more so that we have 8 ranged and 8 close combat weaps)
*goes hmmm*
Post by: BishopX on June 08, 2009, 09:02:36 pm
Perhaps melee weapons shouldn't be able to hit fliers (or at least have a penalty)?
Another balance issue is the science officer. I feel that right now high level (skill 4 or 5) science officers are probably the single most important thing you can buy. The reason being that they drastically increase the amount of money you can gain from exploring a planet. Pilots and gunners have essentially binary tasks (at least from the players perspective), landing on planets, taking on asteroids, navigating gas clouds and hitting enemy starships all have you or no outcomes. Science officers on the other hand seem to have a multplicative effect on the amount of biodata you collect. A science officer 5 will take in 5 times as much biodata as a science officer 1. This leads to a tremendous increase in income.
In terms of future direction, I would love to see radio contact in space combat (the ability to surrender?)
Post by: Candlejack on June 08, 2009, 09:14:02 pm
Post by: wallish on June 09, 2009, 02:38:58 am
Post by: magellan on June 09, 2009, 04:57:32 am
Post by: a1s on June 09, 2009, 12:25:42 pm
Post by: BishopX on June 09, 2009, 01:04:50 pm
Post by: magellan on June 09, 2009, 03:56:09 pm
Did you check all the buildings at the landing pad bishopX? Last time i checked (i confess that was a while ago) they were 5 different ones. And just checked again: Still are, fuel, bar, armor, ships and modules.
But yeah, pirate life is pretty harsh, maybe too harsh. I am considering adding a guy who pays for raw materials (read: resources)
(and of course i need to add a pirate boss who gives out quests and who you can kill to become the pirate boss)
A sidenote: I just did something i haven't done in ages: I played it! And, Hey! this is fun!
There was this huge gas cloud between station 1 and 2 and to fly around it you pretty much had to use a whole scout tank, but at one place it was only 2 squares wide. I tried to cross it there with a L2 pilot .... bad idea... :)
Post by: a1s on June 09, 2009, 06:04:05 pm
I want to see YAVPs!(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3333/winl.png)
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5324/errorridden.png)
now for the bugs, I did not actually lose 10k trading, indeed that's how I earned the money for my explorer, and a good chunk of the money for my Destroyer.
also, the line "made all his money with honest hard work" is odd, as I played the casino a few times, did a lot of trading, and earned the rest hunting pirates for bounties, the one thing I did not in fact do was prospecting work.
finally, while bounty hunting I killed over a dozen space aliens, which are not on the list.
and, you probably already handled this one, but some asteroids have "high amounts of ." as well as "adaptive armor" and "disintegratior".
Post by: magellan on June 09, 2009, 06:53:29 pm
Very nice to see that playing a pirate hunter/trader is obviously entirely possible.
You are of course right. those space beasties should count towards kills. No idea where it could have messed up the trade accounting. I will have to look into that.
The "honest work" line refers to the fact that you didn't resort to piracy. I Guess the wording there could be a little less ambigous.
Post by: BishopX on June 09, 2009, 10:09:47 pm
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On balance I think that jetpacks are overpowered. It just stops being fun when you can go everywhere. perhaps they could have a limited number of jumps without going back to the ship?
Also, I bought about 10 satellite with this captain, none made it through :(.
I'm not sure asteroid mining is working right, or if it is it's underpowered. Namely I could go out and mine asteroid for about 50 fuel and get relatively little in the way of resource. I've also mined significantly more adaptive body armours than my inventory displayed (I found two on planet). By my estimation there is either a bug in the code which transfers your sucess at mining into resources, or your just giving 1 thing of resource per asteroid which is seems to be too low given the risks inherent in scanning asteroid belts (which are very cool btw).
Post by: Calvin on June 09, 2009, 10:38:26 pm
I started in a gascloud, and died before I got out.
Best starting game ever.
Post by: magellan on June 10, 2009, 03:34:02 am
@BishopX: I will look into the asteroid mining thing. ... what do you mean with non of your satelites made it ... please dont tell me they did disappear? (I was so certain that i had solved the mystery of the disappearing items :(
Post by: Neonivek on June 10, 2009, 06:51:19 am
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"On balance I think that jetpacks are overpowered"
No... no they are not.
The Alternative to Jetpacks is to continuously damage your ship on mountain based planets so you can fully explore the thing or to collect soo many airtanks that you can explore that Maze of annoyingness. Extra Airtanks which oddly enough may not be available on any of the three space stations.
In fact Jetpacks are underpowered in another sense. I am not the most fit person in the world and even I can climb a mountain. These are elite space explorers with space age equipment with combat knives more powerful then machine guns and they are too weak to climb a single mountain even in low gravity so weak they could crawl on the floor with just their fingers.
Post by: magellan on June 10, 2009, 07:08:44 am
I mean... when the game starts you don't know where the *SUNS* are? Last time i checked suns where pretty darn big, and sorta glowing and you could see them pretty much from the other side of the universe even without sophisticated equipment... :)
...
And now that i write this an idea: add a "sun size" modifier to the detection? have blue and white giants be visible from farther away? *goes hmmm*
Post by: Neonivek on June 10, 2009, 07:16:07 am
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you could see them pretty much from the other side of the universe even without sophisticated equipment
Your kinda mixing up Galaxy with Universe.
There are stars even within our own Galaxy who have yet to become visable due to its distance from us.
Post by: magellan on June 10, 2009, 08:01:46 am
Anyway i think we can say that stars are often big enough to be visible even on intergalactic distances.
Proof:
http://images.google.at/images?q=other+galaxies&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=Ma4vSuz_LpGa_AbRnLTNCg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title
:)
Post by: Neonivek on June 10, 2009, 08:17:24 am
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when the game starts you don't know where the *SUNS* are?
I assumed they were on the left of the scan and that every * represented a Sun
Are you saying that the game actually takes place in a very dense Solar System(s)?
Post by: magellan on June 10, 2009, 08:28:51 am
Metinks there might be a misunderstanding here?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 10, 2009, 08:59:05 am
Once we can collect 'Bio Data' from living aliens at a reduced rate as compared to dead ones, the simulation will be complete.
Unless time-travel, polarity reversing and planets being exact replications of 1960's Earth.
Post by: magellan on June 10, 2009, 11:04:08 am
Post by: BishopX on June 10, 2009, 11:39:57 am
Post by: niltrias on June 10, 2009, 07:09:58 pm
Jetpacks become more expensive
another cheaper alternative that allows passage over ONLY mountains
More water-heavy worlds, so that the hover platforms become worth buying
Dangerous Ice (cracks and breaks, especially if under stress) to again make hover platforms worthwhile
So you would have two cheap options, hover platforms and .... Ill say climbing gear, for now, and a VERY expensive option that could do the work of both (jetpacks)
How do you check inventory again? I forgot, and I cant find it in the keybindings
Post by: BishopX on June 10, 2009, 08:57:25 pm
I think my issue with jet packs is that they have unlimited uses. If a jet pack allowed you to cross say 10 to 20 squares under power before returning to the ship... That would make it useful without destroying the fun of exploring inhospitable planets. Perhaps emergency jump could consume the jet pack?
As for price...3000 seems about right, is costs as much as the best firearms on the market or a second tier set of armor. The fact that you can't mix and match it with other equipment (like mixing plasma rifles with laser guns) increases the upfront cost of outfitting your team. For my Cortez win, I spent 15000 credits over two docking on jetpacks. That's more than anything but a top tier hull. Sure buying 25 sets of persoal forcefields would be more expensive, but you don't need to give everyone one for them to work.
I second niltrias's motion for more dangerous ice (perhaps a unique ice world?) and ocean planets, because hover platforms are really useless right now. Another way to balance with would be to bring speed into play. I would imagine hover platforms are faster than walking, and jet packs are faster that hover platforms. This might compensate for the decreased seed of large parties (could we also see our speed please?).
Post by: magellan on June 11, 2009, 10:47:29 am
Post by: Neonivek on June 11, 2009, 12:16:36 pm
Post by: Candlejack on June 11, 2009, 12:51:06 pm
Post by: Gabeux on June 11, 2009, 05:43:42 pm
I take a looong time to get into roguelikes/ASCII games (not used yet, only played DF), but hell..they all got sooo much more content and better concepts than mainstream games.
I was playing Tom Clancy's HAWX, and now I'm playing Prospector..before that, having fun on Infiniminer.
I fear ASCII games, but I have more fun with them..weird.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 11, 2009, 05:48:14 pm
Post by: BishopX on June 11, 2009, 07:10:52 pm
Post by: Candlejack on June 11, 2009, 07:13:06 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 11, 2009, 07:35:07 pm
What about Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup? It has the friendliest interface or any roguelike.Only the graphical version.
Still, the graphical version of it rocks several different levels of awesomeness.
Post by: magellan on June 12, 2009, 02:40:26 am
I go down 3-5 *huge* levels killing kobolds and more kobolds and then some kobolds and then i get killed by a .... kobold because i am just too bored by killing kobolds on huge levels to pay attention enough.
Sometimes there are snakes though.
Anyway: Fuel for jetpacks ... that's an idea. Of course one could die by jumping up a mountain and not have any fuel left to jump back down, wich seems a little harsh but is also somehow the players fault.
Of course this whole blocking business is a problem. You have a spaceship, you stroll around on planets without atmosphere yet a few rocks and water are an insurmountable obstacle?
But then again realism is highly overrated. I mean for example: tiny rectangular planets. Unrealistic, no doubt. Fix? simple! *strolls off to add scrolling and increase planet size to 8000x4000 tiles and enable the "enter opposite" flag for player movement* 5 minutes of work. Result: boring planets.
Nah sorry, i rather have my unrealistic square ones. Let me use this opertunity to go "hmmmm"
Post by: Gabeux on June 12, 2009, 02:50:22 am
Without spoiling everything but, are those robot "killable"? I mean:
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Also, I'm getting an error message on console... like "Error placing item = 1024"..Can't remember well '-'
Ah, and I've explored the whole "map"..still I can't find any pirate bases, do they exist?
Cyas
Post by: magellan on June 12, 2009, 03:42:04 am
And yes, pirate bases do exist.
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As for the bots:
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Edit to add: Ok... if my ancient comp an handle 65000 items without problems i was seriously saving memory at the wrong point there.... sry.
Post by: Neonivek on June 12, 2009, 12:02:59 pm
Though this is mostly because once you have a crew of 20 equipped with amazing weapons and armor they are pretty much the only thing left that is a challenge.
On a side note: Sandworms are surprisingly easy compared to the Dune version (where even military vehicles couldn't harm them)
Post by: BishopX on June 12, 2009, 01:07:35 pm
Also, the cave in the imortal world can be very difficult with 20 well armed guys. I'm tempted to see if I can do it with 50 using a drop ship.
Post by: magellan on June 12, 2009, 02:40:26 pm
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And while we are at it: I've been playing around a bit with the chances for "stuff": anybody ever found pyramids? (not counting the one on the immortals planet) I am wondering if i should make them more common.
Post by: BishopX on June 12, 2009, 03:07:04 pm
Post by: Gabeux on June 12, 2009, 03:09:22 pm
I've found one there...
Actually..
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And thanks for the info about the pirates base, guess I'll scan and land on every planet until I reach'em... hehehh
This game only lacks a feature: building (and digging?) :P ;D
[Sorry, I'm a 'building addict', don't take this seriously]
Post by: Candlejack on June 12, 2009, 03:12:19 pm
Post by: Gabeux on June 12, 2009, 03:14:12 pm
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And talking about radio commands...can you spoil'em for me? hahaha
I found 5 of the 7 you said that exist...
Actually, if you mix the "suicidal one" with the "building stuff" i said, it could turn into a small "survival game" ahhaha
Oh god...
[edit]:
Forgot to say, i found a bug due to the item limit..
When I drop some item [on a planet], the character automatically and instantly takes it back..
So I'm stuck with the items I got, and my inventory is bugged =/
Post by: magellan on June 12, 2009, 03:32:06 pm
Hmm... actually it doesn't need too. will be fixed with next release wich will come soonish.
I am guessing that the commands you miss are the rather uninteresting ones.
Ah well...
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Oh: And digging *is* already in the game :P
Post by: Gabeux on June 12, 2009, 03:34:07 pm
Also, I don't remember turning autopickup on, but I guess it's default, right?
Since I started the game, the team always picks up items..
Thanks, and sorry. I didn't think about that :$
Post by: magellan on June 12, 2009, 03:39:46 pm
Post by: Gabeux on June 12, 2009, 09:30:38 pm
It says "this is a boring place"'
Oh my god, I just found EARTH!!!
--
Hmm. Anyway, did you ever thought about putting "colonists" on the game?
They could give you a mission where you have to BUILD a beacon on a planet where they could [or not >:)] colonize.
Also, they could give you a mission to BUILD landing pads, BUILD huts, BUILD farms...and just BUILD...
We could BUILD a BUILDER's WORLD just by BUILDING a lot of BUILDINGS, what do you think?
Okay, I'll calm down..
I'm playing now, trying to find the damn pirates.. :]
Post by: BishopX on June 12, 2009, 10:36:13 pm
Post by: Gabeux on June 12, 2009, 11:11:58 pm
Btw, how many "Apollo" guys exist?
I killed one, then two, and another one...another..
and he just keep respawning O_O
my crew of 25 jetpacked, armoured, gauss gunned, vibro sworded and personal forcefielded elite and veteran marines is almost dead already ._.
[edit]
Ohh hahah, that was curious and funny lmao
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I remember getting my ass kicked by the same guy on another save..
actually, he was the one who ruined my best savegame [before this one].
Post by: chaoticag on June 12, 2009, 11:15:40 pm
Weapon cargos go for a ton at 250-1000, but weapons at the store go from 500-2000 for five...
What the hell is in those crates? Popguns? Why can't I just crack them open and keep the damn things!
Just a thought.
Post by: Gabeux on June 12, 2009, 11:51:53 pm
Btw, just found the pirates base and got that green message after you "party" down there...
I've found a bug on bars: If you recruit security personnel, it will add to the total security personnel when you get back on the ship, making you get 50 security, but only being allowed to carry 25 [i got some cryo chambers, 25 is my max]
It was nice to have 50 security personnel, but the max item limit didn't let me equip'em, so they are just meatshields =/
EDIT:
Oh, when you land...all the excess security personnel die. ;_;
EDIT2:
Actually, when you go back to space, it still shows all of the security personnel...
They are like reserves, then
Post by: Candlejack on June 13, 2009, 01:12:21 am
One thing bothers me...Ammo for ships maybe?
Weapon cargos go for a ton at 250-1000, but weapons at the store go from 500-2000 for five...
What the hell is in those crates? Popguns? Why can't I just crack them open and keep the damn things!
Just a thought.
Post by: Kishmond on June 13, 2009, 12:29:00 pm
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/Kishmond/Games/Ich.jpg)
It's not game-breaking, but I find it annoying. It returns to regular space after I scan a planet.
Also, it is far too easy to run out of fuel or oxygen without realizing it. The audio warnings don't work.
Post by: magellan on June 13, 2009, 03:19:10 pm
As for the warnings: works here.
When the game starts up there are for 5 lines:
FBSini 1
loading alarm 1 1
loading alarm 2 1
loading weapon 1 1
loading weapon 2 1
Does any of the trailing 1s read 0 for you?
If tis the FBSIni one then there is a problem with the sound library (damn... do i really need to use the 2MB big fmod library for this? starts to look like it...) and we are out of luck.
If its one of the following then only that sound file doesn't load. Downloading the game again would be the obvious solution.
But i will add a "None-Low-High" setting to the warnings for the next version, with low sounding alarms and high sounding alarms and demanding a space,return or esc press.
Post by: Kishmond on June 13, 2009, 04:45:15 pm
FBSini 0
Failed to load FBSound
Post by: magellan on June 13, 2009, 04:57:00 pm
yap, your system doesn't like prospectors sound library. or prospectors soundlibrary doesnt like your system, take your pick ...
... will you look at that... mini fmod! 107kbite large ... I am going to try that out. give me a day or 2 and thou shall hear sirens! (maybe)
Post by: codezero on June 13, 2009, 10:59:59 pm
Also, it is far too easy to run out of fuel or oxygen without realizing it. The audio warnings don't work.
Dying unexpectedly in a roguelike? Who ever heard of it? Don't worry, once you die a few times like that your eyes will be glued to the relevant readings.
Post by: Neonivek on June 13, 2009, 11:02:51 pm
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Dying unexpectedly in a roguelike? Who ever heard of it?
Yeah lets not defend it that way unless you would like to play another game of WikiRogue.
Though the game warns you if your oxygen goes halfway and I always refuel (Though DANG fuel runs out fast even with the later vehicles)
Post by: codezero on June 14, 2009, 12:42:05 am
Post by: Gabeux on June 14, 2009, 01:40:36 am
Btw, take into consideration the colonisation/etc option...
Building/Colonizing/Survival are really tough keywords that aren't easily found, nor with good enough examples of good executions and concepts.
So they are good things to think about, and can really make a game a big success...
Prospector is simple, and really fun. Still, after you find everything, or get a way to make some nice money, it loses the [re]play value. Adding colonization/building etc will make it HUGE.
It'll be hard, but will take the game to a really, really unique formula...
ps: sorry i'm drunk
But i tried to make some sense..
Post by: magellan on June 14, 2009, 02:00:20 am
Next realease won't be that big. The bugs posted here (and elsewhere) fixed, 1 new special planet, playing around with chances for stuff in an attempt to make the non special planets more interesting, jetpack fuel. thats about it.
Making a fun little game was my goal of course. So i am quite happy to have achieved that to some degree. :)
Humm... just had an idea how that colonization thing could work... another "deliver the package" quest, but the package is a ship full of colonists, the package is wherever you want, and conditions on said wherever have of course an influence on how fast they start building shops and such. *goes hmm*
Post by: Gabeux on June 14, 2009, 02:10:02 am
Go and look for the games that is similar to yours: REALLY old, but there are people still having fun with'em...
I mean, colonizing, exploring, building, surviving, combat, trading etc...all in one game?
Building is AWESOME, colonizing is AWESOME, Adventure/Exploring is AWESOME, Survival is AWESOME, Combat is NECESSARY, Economy is NECESSARY.
Take X3: Terran Conflict for instance, its AWESOME, but lacks colonizing [and needs HEAVY hardware - can't run it smoothly here..]. It's not about the scale/gfx/etc.. but about the features..
Maybe the game I have in mind is too complex..
I dunno, I still wait for a game that will feature it all....
Kerberos' Northstar will feature like 60% of it...
But I keep thinking that Prospector feels like a Prototype for something really big. :]
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[EDIT]: About Colonization:
There could be a new Station, a Colonizers Station or something like that, where they would give you missions to map a planet / search for a suitable planet / clean a nice planet out of critters / BUILD !!!........ things like that ::)
Post by: magellan on June 14, 2009, 02:23:45 am
Post by: BishopX on June 14, 2009, 11:37:33 am
You could have missions to deliver colonists to X System.
You could have missions to deliver colonists where ever.
You could find a lost planet of regressed humans and set up an outpost.
You could find a planet of intelligent aliens who will mine for you in exchancge for supplies, but you have to leave various members of your crew there.
You could receive a mission to protect a colony from pirate raiders, and in exchange get some control of the colony or a preferential trade agreement.
You could conquer a pirate planet and turn them into good citizens of the universe.
Post by: magellan on June 14, 2009, 02:30:47 pm
Post by: Kishmond on June 14, 2009, 05:18:30 pm
I really understand about you wanting to make a "small and fun game": you accomplished that goal, really. But still, there's so much potential.. [not only for Prospector, but for a next game, maybe?]
Go and look for the games that is similar to yours: REALLY old, but there are people still having fun with'em...
I mean, colonizing, exploring, building, surviving, combat, trading etc...all in one game?
Building is AWESOME, colonizing is AWESOME, Adventure/Exploring is AWESOME, Survival is AWESOME, Combat is NECESSARY, Economy is NECESSARY.
Take X3: Terran Conflict for instance, its AWESOME, but lacks colonizing [and needs HEAVY hardware - can't run it smoothly here..]. It's not about the scale/gfx/etc.. but about the features..
Maybe the game I have in mind is too complex..
I dunno, I still wait for a game that will feature it all....
Kerberos' Northstar will feature like 60% of it...
But I keep thinking that Prospector feels like a Prototype for something really big. :]
Infinty (http://www.infinity-universe.com/) is an up-and-coming MMO that might be worth taking a look at if you like this kind of stuff. Though it's still a long way from completion.
Post by: Gabeux on June 14, 2009, 06:13:26 pm
Infinty (http://www.infinity-universe.com/) is an up-and-coming MMO that might be worth taking a look at if you like this kind of stuff. Though it's still a long way from completion.
Yep. I keep checking it up every month to see how it's coming, but it's easily noticeable that it will take a long time to complete.
But it's really nice, the ideas etc..
I've been looking at the development of the Star Wars Galaxies Emulator progress, but SWG is too much of a grinder/MMORPG kind of thing, and I don't know if it features colonization..
But the economy [at least by reading about it] is nice..
Post by: wallish on June 14, 2009, 10:10:38 pm
Oh, it's less the what, but more the details of the how as in how to control the colony and how much influence the player has on them.
Well, some ideas to hit you with:
- Players just drop off colonists on a planet that meets certain conditions (breathable atmosphere, temp range, etc
- As time passes, players receive requests for supplies. Planet A (which the player helped colonize) sends a radio message saying "We need 400 crates of food, we'll pay 30cr/crate" or "We need 25 barrels of water and 50 crates of construction materials. Payment of 3200cr upon delivery" or even "Pick up 10 colonists from Station A and bring them here for 5100cr", "Come here and kill these annoying natives, we'll pay 200cr a head", etc.
- You don't own the colony or control it in any way. You're still just a freelancer but now you have a bit more running around to do. Of course, throw in a couple AI transports that do this as well and you can still receive jobs (and you'll have competition). However, if you don't keep up with the colonies they may stagnate or die out. While this won't affect you too badly (after all, you'd just end up where we are now) it might be more beneficial to help them out.
- Colonies grow in two areas: population and infrastructure (both integers). When you scan a planet you see the data (e.g. 12 citizens, 22 of 100 infrastructure). At certain points of pop and infrastructure the planet gains new services, but also has increased demands (bringing more incentive to help them grow). For example, a planet with at least 20 citizens and 30/100 infrastructure may build a landing pad that allows for refueling. 30 citizens and 50/100 infrastructure brings in repair pad and munitions depot. 100 citizens and 100 infrastructure and the planet is as set up as (or better than) a station.
- Maybe down the line colonists will expand their requirements to allow for slightly dangerous planets (thin atmosphere, high/low temp, etc) and will slowly terraform.
There's all kinds of things that can be done that make it seem more complicated than it is.
As for other features not related to colonization:
- Deployable rovers that you just dump on a planet and leave for a time. While gone they slowly explore the surface and gather materials present. Come back to pick them up and you download the data/retrieve the minerals. (If satellites do this please disregard. I haven't used them yet...)
- Stellar anomalies such as black holes (pulls a ship in if too close, but is surrounded by valuable materials), single/multiple use wormholes (shoots your ship across the sector, permanent wormholes would be better because of fuel use and death if you get stranded), and large inter-solar dead planets that do not orbit a star but instead travel on a path through the sector (completely dark so you'll need lights to see, COVERED in valuable materials but extremely dangerous to stay on for too long)
- Nano plagues. A planet being slowly consumed by a Von Neumann swarm that eats away at the surface. Make it a special planet or make the swarm move from planet to planet leaving a trail of barren rock worlds. Only by destroying the hub (while it is in space, of course) can you stop it. Would make an awesome danger to colonized planets or even stations. (Which brings up another missions the colonists can give: Stop oncoming dangerous event like asteroid or pirate fleet, etc)
- Multiple corporations which might recruit your for a contracted period (30 turns, etc). Different corporations give different missions and different benefits. Joining a mercenary wing can give you access to special weapons, exploration corp (Interplanetary Expeditions, anyone?) gives you better engines, etc. Each corp gives access to special hulls as well
- As mentioned above, terraforming is always welcomed. And it doesn't have to be friendly terraforming. Planet A hate Planet B? Maybe they have you drop off the "Atmospheric De-Oxygenator" that slowly drains away the atmosphere until everyone dies and the planet becomes barren, all with the payment of 15000cr directly to your account. This of course brings about...
- Reputation. Do good things you get a positive reputation and vice versa. If you show that you're willing to genocide a whole planet for big money the more "moral" of the groups might not want to do business with you. Hell, even the bad guys might steer clear. Ideally, it wouldn't be the class 1D good<-->bad scale, but would instead be 2D: left and right are Amoral<-->Ethical (or Evil and Good). Up and down are Loyal<--->Ruthless(Lawful and Chaotic, whatever). This might warrant a bit more discussion below...
Let's say a player receives that mission to drop the terraformer on Planet B for 15000cr. Planet B gets wind of this and offers you 25000cr to turn around and drop it on Planet A. And let's say that an arbitrary number is assigned as a "danger rating" for this mission, let's say 12 (with 20 being the highest). If you accept either you receive a shift in the Amoral direction. If you betray Planet A you get points towards Ruthless. If you turn down Planet B after accepting A's you get points towards Loyal because you didn't betray that first group. If you turn down Planet A's mission, giving the reason of "I don't genocide" you get points towards Ethical. If you turn it down because of the danger you get points towards Ruthless.
Now, pirates would have no problem working with a person who is completely amoral. In fact, they might seek you out. A disloyal person, however, they'd feel iffy about working with. Why trust somebody that will just sell you out to a higher bid? A person who is completely Ruthless and Amoral would be ultimately self-centered. Ultra-capitalist. Has a library of every Ayn Rand book. Does what benefits only him(or her) self. A person who is all the way Ethical and Loyal is the ultimate Paragon of Justice. Hunts down pirates without mercy and destroys all those that threaten/go against their ideal of good. This is your Judge Dredd, killing "criminals" without a thought because the law must be enforced no matter the casualties.
Neither of these sides is "good" or "evil". A completely selfish person might never do anything that can be considered "evil". A Ethical/Loyal player can have killed off entire planets if the cause is considered just (you must wipe out the alien scum that threaten our peace!), while the Ruthless/Amoral player would have turned the job down (Amoral = "Your faction warfare does not concern me").
To encourage the player to work towards different ratings and actually care, give each quadrant of the 2D axis a specific faction. And, make those faction opposites at war (quadrant I is at war with quadrant III but on uneasy terms with quadrants II and IV). Corporations would, of course, lie along either neutral axis.
I think all of these ideas emphasize the "freelancer" feel of the game. Not sure if that's your goal or if you'd rather take it in more of a space management direction, but to me running a colony seems too... fixated for this game. Give the player a sense of character, make them mean something other than just a name and a bank account. Even give the crew a sense of character by giving them (fixed) alignments which influence who you hire.
Hell, throw in import/export of characters so you can start a game with an old (even revived) character that is essentially a new player but with your existing alignment (so you can start the game Ruthless or whatever). Not allowing revival even makes player deaths all the more epic, e.g. your character that you've won with six times over is finally killed at the age of 42 after being betrayed by his gunnery officer.
As usual though I have to end this post with a "keep up the awesome work"!
Post by: Neonivek on June 14, 2009, 10:46:17 pm
True Colonisation seems like an after game goal when you have near endless amounts of cash.
The Colonisation present in the game should be scouting planets capable of supporting life and shipping colonists and equipment to the planet.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 14, 2009, 11:17:19 pm
Post by: magellan on June 15, 2009, 02:54:36 am
As for rogue planets: Point taken. they are not dark enough, but hard enough to find already obviously ;)
(in case that was too subtle: there are interstellar planets without a sun already. They are rare, hard to find, have above average resources, but aren't darker than your typical last orbit world or any deadlier)
For wormholes the map is too small i think, but it's somehow a must have like green suns... same goes for black holes. A bigger map would of course be easy to acomplish.
a thing of course is that suspension of disbelieve breaks at different points. Neonivek for example seems to have his stretched slightly by close combat weapons who outperform guns, yet seems to have little problems with suns he can't see unless he is standing next to them.
Mine would be stretched quite a bit when a colony had for example 10-25 colonists. I just can't imagine people colonizing planets starting with almost an adam and eve scenario.
Post by: yamo on June 15, 2009, 11:47:35 am
you could bring a supply of frozen, diverse zygots for in situ implantation.
Post by: wallish on June 15, 2009, 04:07:12 pm
whoah... thanks for the input wallish! (and neonivek and duke)
As for rogue planets: Point taken. they are not dark enough, but hard enough to find already obviously ;)
(in case that was too subtle: there are interstellar planets without a sun already. They are rare, hard to find, have above average resources, but aren't darker than your typical last orbit world or any deadlier)
Whoa, really? That's awesome!
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For wormholes the map is too small i think, but it's somehow a must have like green suns... same goes for black holes. A bigger map would of course be easy to acomplish.
Well, with a small map the wormholes could be one time (or limited) use to compensate. A bigger map is always welcome though. :)
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Mine would be stretched quite a bit when a colony had for example 10-25 colonists. I just can't imagine people colonizing planets starting with almost an adam and eve scenario.
Eh, early colonies would probably be scientific in nature, much like in real life. When we finally get around to putting colonies on the Moon or Mars they'll probably consist of no more than 100 people (read Kim Stanley Robinson's epic Mars Trilogy for ideas on that front, or at least the first book "Red Mars"). So a small "colony" (read; outpost) of 10-25 scientists would make perfect sense. Hell, it even makes population transport easier in a gameplay and story sense as you have to deal with scientist rotation and/or increased need for specialization as an outpost grows.
Post by: Gabeux on June 15, 2009, 04:56:49 pm
Sorry if you are making a game that can reach the valey of uniques haha
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Ps: I already had so much fun without BUILDING OR COLONIZING
ZOMG IF I COULD @_@
By the way, let me spoil some fun:
Firing desintegrators and the "end-game" weapons and killing everything on a planet makes you think about a lot of stuff.
lol.
Post by: Neonivek on June 15, 2009, 06:41:45 pm
Which one is likely to get in first?
Can we bring creatures food or spike it with Sleeping toxins for them to eat so we can scan/pilfer them while they sleep?
Post by: ductape on June 15, 2009, 07:04:11 pm
Post by: wallish on June 15, 2009, 10:07:04 pm
Personally I am still waiting for better Alien Interaction then Colonisation.
Which one is likely to get in first?
Can we bring creatures food or spike it with Sleeping toxins for them to eat so we can scan/pilfer them while they sleep?
Ooh, new ship type: science vessel. Contains hundreds of stasis pods and an autopsy room for the collection and classification of alien life! Stun an alien to knock it out. You can take with you as many aliens as you have security personnel. Nets you 2 to 5 times as much biodata as normal (or however much to make it worth the time).
Post by: magellan on June 15, 2009, 10:22:12 pm
<---- wants more features. will pay. send food.
But while I eat i can't type stuff...i don't see how that would help ;)
As for which comes first i think it might be at the same time. As soon as i have a clear idea what i need for the planetside part of the game and how to do it and the guts to just highlight that part of the code and hit DEL, things should fall into place rather quickly. Not quite at that point yet though.
Oh, and i kinda like the idea of stupid automated, breakable expensive Mars (well not mars obviously) rovers. Drop on planet, fly away, return to find it fell into a lava pool or got eaten or something.
Post by: Chutney on June 17, 2009, 01:11:04 am
I actually have a suggestion for you, if you care to hear it. Right now, as far as I've seen, every alien will talk to you. Fascinating that every species in the galaxy is intelligent enough to speak, and our language, too!
Here's the suggestion: Each alien species has an intelligence level, say between 1 and 5. at level 1, they're feral animals that run around and eat space explorers. level 2 shows them using tools (bow and arrow aliens), 3 they begin to talk, 4 you begin finding their little houses everywhere, and 5 you find farmlands on the planet.
Of course, this might overly complicate things. I'm assuming you create planets as the user lands on them for the first time. With this, I'd think it would have to make the planet, check the intelligence of all the creatures, and then construct their huts/farms(if any are capable of it), which might take a bit longer to load then just "Here is a planet, dot the surface with aliens".
Anyways, thanks for reading, and good luck with your game!
Post by: magellan on June 17, 2009, 02:49:48 am
2nd that's pretty much how it is already. sometimes your science officer botches his roll and you get the "can make no sense out the foos sounds and actions" (maybe i should make that roll a tad harder) And the lowest alien intelligence rank has 3 answers to give: "You are food!","You got food?",and"Me not food" wich are three concepts most living things (at least down here) can communicate in one way or other.
Not sure why they build farmlands before they build huts though. They actually aren't supposed to.
Anyhows thanks for the feedback, keep it comming. always interested in ideas. Next version should be here soon, and will contain more rocket launchers.
Post by: Neonivek on June 17, 2009, 06:59:56 am
-Grenades are sort of more powerful then is reasonable. I've had a squad of 20 be taken out by one grenade even though they had Forcefields and battle armor despite the fact that they were fighting off GIANT ROBOTS earlier.
-As a Captain it would be interesting if you can gain levels (just like the other three can) which could be used to survive enemy attacks.
-Cargo is nearly worthless... Can their worth be increased somehow? Even the best ships would find it hard to make money of trade. (At least in my experience)
-I have said this before but the ability to recruit alien species
-The Ship is capable of being further damaged and destroyed while on the planet surface.
-Medical Doctor who uses Medkits automatically but whos important purpose is to stop Alien diseases and parasites.
Possible Alternate Endings
-Find an Ascension device and use it to ascend
-All Space Stations and Rogue Stations destroyed. You command the Galaxy
-Marooned forever: The ship is pernamently destroyed and no one comes to save you. Enjoy your new life.
Possible Planet themes
-Planet of the Gods: You discover a planet with a random god on it (Roman, Greek, Egyptian, whatever) and stuff happens.
UHh hmmm maybe not my best ideas... It is like my brain is clogged.
Post by: magellan on June 17, 2009, 07:24:53 am
The planet with the god has been in there since ... well actually since i added the first uniques, wich i honestly can't recall when that was :)
And for cargo i have had the exact opposite said, twice in fact. (Ok, max fluctuation was starting price+500% then with no minimum price and now it's +300% with 50% starting price minimum.)
As for medics: Of course the thought "It's a space game, we need mysterious diseases that make zulu fight with a rapier and O'riley short circuit the engines, because it's a space game and we need mysterious dieseases" crossed my mind.
The question is of course again the how and what. sick ships are banned from station entry until they find the cure (Medic makes his skillroll)? Can't really see that adding much except for yet another inescapable death.
Post by: Neonivek on June 17, 2009, 07:45:00 am
You have so much content I have a hard time keeping track of it.
as for the Cargo... That is a lot of Flux. I mostly meant more expencive cargo but I had no idea the game was so generous with the amounts.
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Can't really see that adding much except for yet another inescapable death-Well it could stop short just of killing the captain each time. In the Alien Infestation scenario you and your important Officers (And maybe whatever security crew you can safe) go up and kill the bugs!
Though perhaps the method is to not belittle the space suit. So diseases should be a visable instance from an attack for example. Your medical Officer should be able to cure the disease automatically (without the need for a roll) with a sample of the creature.
Though since this is a crazy space adventure who says you want to be cured? Maybe you are infected with Lycantropy! (Hmmm gives me an idea). Diseases should have any multitude of symptoms.
Alternative Planet Themes
-Restoring Waters: The Planet contains waters that have healing propertise. However it is populated by giant mutant creatures who don't seem to die. On the plus side it has rather substantial exploration rewards.
-Living Planet: Seems like an ordinary planet except inside a cave is a system of what seems to be organs. You can leave it alone and leave the planet peacefully or Harvest the Organs. The planet will die. Another Hazard is the planet can chase the ship and swallow it. If it does so your stuck inside until you can get free somehow.
-Living Planet 2: The planet is alive in the sense that it is a huge ball of flesh. Creatures here resemble cells and microscopic creatures. If you can get to the brain deep underground you get important knowledge of the universe from this seemingly ancient creature.
-Wonderous: The planet has many wonders of great treasure and food with people who are receptive and loving. Some of your crew will even chose to stay against your wishes. Once you leave however the illusion fades and you see the planet for the sludge filled sesspool that it was. (Science officer can see through this)
-Lycantropy: A relatively harmless and ordinary planet except when there is an eclypse, which happens quite often, when all the creatures will shift and transform into powerful creatures with diseased bites.
-Resort: The Planet contains many great fruit trees, warm hot sun, and cute fuzzy animals. You hardly want to leave (perhaps some chose to stay) but when you do you feel better for the stay.
-Underworld: A Planet filled with undead, demons, and lava (I am sure you have this)
-Temporal Flux: Creatures and beings seem to move either fast or slow on this planet. Creatures frozen in time are like trees. Unfortunately sped up creatures are quite deadly. Perhaps that science facility on the planet can tell us something.
Treasures:
-Atlantis / Mu Ship or Island: You have a ship from Atlantis or Mu or perhaps the whole Island as a ship. It can turn into a Space Station if you wish to abandon it for a better ship.
-Origin of Species: You know the originator of human life. Alternative Ending Treasure.
Suggestions:
-Fully Exploring Plasma Clouds should get exploration points and allow safer (though not safe) travel through the same cloud if it doesn't already.
What do you think?
Post by: magellan on June 17, 2009, 08:01:51 am
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You have so much content I have a hard time keeping track of it.
I do? ;D Thanks!
Base prices... yes, could be that those are a little on the low side.
You are right ... with have an eden that is eden, we also need one that isn't! How was it possible for me to overlook that!
Healing planets: we got that one, in a sorta kinda way.
Living planets: another classic i somehow didn't think of! Might will steal that idea in one way or other.
Post by: Neonivek on June 17, 2009, 08:03:47 am
Or rather I put my ideas here specifically so you will use them
I also added more to the post... sorry.
Post by: codezero on June 17, 2009, 09:35:57 am
-The Ship is capable of being further damaged and destroyed while on the planet surface.
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-Marooned forever: The ship is pernamently destroyed and no one comes to save you. Enjoy your new life.
These already happen.
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-Living Planet: Seems like an ordinary planet except inside a cave is a system of what seems to be organs. You can leave it alone and leave the planet peacefully or Harvest the Organs. The planet will die. Another Hazard is the planet can chase the ship and swallow it. If it does so your stuck inside until you can get free somehow.
"We've been swallowed, head for the sphincter!"
Btw I like your planet themes, good imagination quantity wise.
I've been trying to keep quiet on suggestions so as not to be a pest but how about making ships a collection of modules you build on to the bridge instead of standard ship types. And the ability to walk around on it.
Post by: firefly28 on June 17, 2009, 10:15:53 am
I know very little of the keys and also which ship I should get first?
Another aspect is that I keep dying in gas clouds or something. I believe the S means station? The problem is some game starts that is right at the other side of deadly clouds. Also I see a message saying S = scan , L = land, next when I click scan I see like a number of what look like differant sized zeroes or Os e.g 0oo etc, what does this mean? I switch between them but it isnt making much sense at the momment.
Occasionally I shall manage to get docked at a planet and then always get killed? Whats the first things I should be doing? How do I fly? How do I land? On a planet its r for radio, what use does this have, I type hello and get a fixed response but it seems to have no purpose. How do I take missions, I like playing a goal orientated game so whats best to start with?
I think I will like this game but badly need some start game guidance? The thread is huge so worried it will even get seen, that being said I dont want to start other threads but this is where these massive threads fall over in my view.
Any help appreciated
Thanks all!
Post by: magellan on June 17, 2009, 10:45:01 am
Gasclouds: Don't go there unless you have a good pilot, and some ships armor to spare.
Starting ship: take one of the first four, pirate fighter is a tad harder. :)
Goal: Make money: find * (resources) on planets and sell them to the companies occupying the first Menu entry in the spacestations (wich you have successfully identified as the white 'S'es)
Radio knows 6 more commands. All not very usefull (except for 2 maybe) (and i won't tell you)
What commands did you try? Maybe you found something i should add!
Post by: firefly28 on June 17, 2009, 10:58:31 am
I am actually trying to develop my own roguelike and through doing so I can see why it was stupid of me to spend ages learning directx, this time I am following all the veteran advice :) but anyway to make a game like prospector must have been tricky but it shows alot of promis so I won't be giving up with it.
The answer regarding the "Ooos" helps alot so away to give it another shot
Post by: magellan on June 17, 2009, 11:30:35 am
also @codezero: Pest? Helping me with the coding *and* providing ideas? Yes, very pestering indeed, wich is why I mentioned you in the readme ;)
Post by: codezero on June 18, 2009, 12:27:01 am
Post by: Neonivek on June 18, 2009, 07:21:50 am
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good imagination quantity wise
Yes I have no problem comming up with ideas. Just ideas that are overall very good.
I also held back on some of my more weird ideas... Such as a Rainbow and Unicorns planet.
Suggestions
-If you expore planets you been to previously you should find Scientists, Miners, Colonists, or explorers depending on what you discovered while you were there. Perhaps they could have enslaved the previous population.
Post by: a1s on June 24, 2009, 05:59:12 am
bug time.
I recently came upon this planet:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/a1s/Clipboard01-3.png)
note the cultivated land. I had actually found the creature that, possibly, made it cultivated (just the one, BTW, on the whole planet), but it's still odd that anyone, much less a civilized being, would be on a planet with 0% probability of life (In my mind it was a world completely destroyed by nuclear war, or similar catastrophe. But in reality I think it's a bug)
Post by: Neonivek on June 24, 2009, 06:27:46 am
Post by: magellan on June 24, 2009, 09:20:30 am
He's a real nowhere man living on an airless rock with a small herb garden...
... well ok, maybe it is a glitch... :)
Post by: a1s on June 25, 2009, 01:16:18 pm
you can buy a combat blade for 300 credits (well actually 60 credits apiece, but you know what I mean) which has a damage rating of 0.4 and attack creatures 1 cell away.
but for 500 credits you can buy a rifle which has a damage rating of 0.2 and also can attack creatures 1 cell away.
the rest of the guns are a mixed bag, but rifles are obviously an inferior product.
Post by: Neonivek on June 25, 2009, 04:28:07 pm
Post by: codezero on June 26, 2009, 12:47:14 am
Post by: magellan on June 26, 2009, 04:11:57 am
I see (all of) your points, because they are more like rather big circles than points too.
I am right now hoping to have the next version out this weekend, which should adress some of those points.
Post by: Neonivek on June 26, 2009, 02:10:36 pm
Can't a knife do as much damage as a pistol at close range? And a sword a shotgun? Neither is particularly any harder to wield either, if you count loading and aiming the shotgun.
Normally Yes
However when you add that this is Sci-fi Weaponry you would think their ranged technology would be able to cross the gap a bit more.
Post by: a1s on June 26, 2009, 04:01:07 pm
Can't a knife do as much damage as a pistol at close range? And a sword a shotgun? Neither is particularly any harder to wield either, if you count loading and aiming the shotgun.Absolutely. indeed when you are close enough to fight hand-to-hand a knife is one of the best weapons you can have, period. But they have incredibly different ranges. a knife would be effective a foot away, a sword maybe a meter away, a shotgun is sort of odd in this way and is really effective at the same meter or 2 as the sword (the use of swords and knives involves moving around alot, making my statements somewhat untrue in practice), but a typical rifle, if clear view is available, is effective beyond even a 100 meters, making all the difference in a fight (even in XIX century the only people who could get away with having swords as the weapon of choice in open terrain were horsemen).
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 26, 2009, 05:16:24 pm
Post by: codezero on June 27, 2009, 12:40:22 am
To account for the spatial anomolies, maybe close combat weapons could be modified by party speed and ranged by inverse proximity (Or same effectiveness past 1, reduced at 1). Not that I've checked whether the latter is already the case or not. Do jetpacks and hovercraft increase your landspeed?
Post by: Granite26 on June 27, 2009, 11:16:25 am
1: Awesome game. Lots of fun
2: Should separate the message log from the current position. Useful for using X and asking questions, etc. Consider placing a > at the start of the line, and updating it every move
3: Don't echo invalid responses Y/nxxxxxxx type stuff.
4: When asking 'Are you sure' consider allowing the user to use a move key to go in a different direction? (I.E. Are you sure you want to go there, and if the user moves in back, kill the question and move them back)
5: When hiring security, there is no price listed. Consider listing total cost as well as remaining space in the dialogue window.
6: When something pops up, consider a 'you have spotted a @#$@@' message. Will help train new players. Similarly, it would be useful to mention 'You are blocked by @$#@#' rather than just say blocked.
7: The 'MORE' is confusing. It should go away after you've finished and control has return to the player. (see '>')
8: Would be nice if security hires defaulted to the maximum less 4...
Anyway, just a few UI suggestions. The game is amazing.
Post by: Granite26 on June 27, 2009, 11:18:16 am
Can't a knife do as much damage as a pistol at close range? And a sword a shotgun? Neither is particularly any harder to wield either, if you count loading and aiming the shotgun.
Normally Yes
However when you add that this is Sci-fi Weaponry you would think their ranged technology would be able to cross the gap a bit more.
See: Dune
Post by: magellan on June 28, 2009, 06:49:12 am
BTW: anybody interested in playtesting 1.7?
Post by: a1s on June 28, 2009, 07:57:53 am
Post by: magellan on June 28, 2009, 08:03:14 am
I would rather send this one out to a few folks at first and get feedback, instead of sending it out into the wild with nobody looking over the shoulder to protect it :)
Dunno why, i just think there is some stuff seriously messed up *somewhere* but i can't seem to find it :)
Post by: a1s on June 28, 2009, 08:04:56 am
aones [at] inbox {dot} lv
Post by: magellan on June 28, 2009, 08:39:07 am
Post by: Granite26 on June 28, 2009, 10:52:16 am
Dune has the "blaster makes shield and blaster go boom" excuse though.
I'm not sure what you mean there...
I was just talking about the 'lasers and high kinetic weapons are blocked by shields, but slow, self propelled things can get through' (I.E. a knife attached to an arm)
Post by: BishopX on June 28, 2009, 10:53:02 am
bishop32x [at] yahoo
Post by: magellan on June 28, 2009, 11:15:42 am
the shield goes boom, killing the wearer (wich is good) and the blaster goes boom killing the guy shooting it (wich is less good)
Also thx bishopX (i assume that is a yahoo com, if it is it should be in your inbox)!
Post by: Granite26 on June 28, 2009, 11:27:04 am
Post by: Neonivek on June 28, 2009, 01:28:07 pm
The Sonic Blaster. Goes straight through everything and shatters enemies' insides. (By straight through, I mean buildings, walls, and vehicles)
Post by: Sowelu on June 28, 2009, 01:31:07 pm
Post by: Ampersand on June 28, 2009, 01:34:19 pm
Also, while I'm not much of a programmer, I would like to offer some help in terms of design.
Post by: Neonivek on June 28, 2009, 01:36:48 pm
It would be like saying a Knife is more powerful then the Longsword.
Which could be an interesting dynamic in the game where instead of simply giving melee weapons obscene damage scores that make you wonder why you should even bother with ranged, they could rather have the ability to bypass certain defenses.
Post by: Ampersand on June 28, 2009, 01:53:18 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 28, 2009, 02:02:46 pm
Only problem with that being, at this point, there is no way to directly equip your team.
Who says they can have one or the other? They should use whatever weapon is decidingly best for the job.
Post by: BishopX on June 28, 2009, 02:22:09 pm
I'm just going to add on to these as I play:
Features:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Bugs:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: magellan on June 28, 2009, 02:53:00 pm
The rest: thanks for the feedback, will look into that.
Post by: Rhodan on June 28, 2009, 03:23:47 pm
One thing I'd love to see is the ability to check up on the data you've collected, and perhaps name your discoveries.
Things like looking up the planet maps, the list of known species on those planets, details of each species,... The game is mostly about exploring after all!
Another thing I'd like to see is a more consistent biodiversity on each planet. Aliens from the same planet should share a common ancestor or two, to make them similar enough to be widely different from aliens from another planet.
Example: Planet X has 3 main groups of creatures: Avians, mammals and insects.
The mammals come in two big groups: tripedal and tentacled.
The tripedal mammals come in the scaled and feathered varieties, each with their own subdivisions for predators, prey and perhaps a sentient species or two.
The tentacled mammals happen to be all furry, but there is a subgroup with a flotation bladder.
The other groups also have their own subdivisions. The more cosmetic traits can be added more loosely, like eye shape and neck length. (but not eye type or number of eyes)
This mimics earth in that almost all land-dwelling vertebrates have 4 limbs, divided in avians, reptiles and mammals. Each group can then be split in other groups and so on.
I think that this way each planet would get it's own signature biodiversity, which could become very noticeable and interesting if you are able to name and catalogue these creatures.
Post by: magellan on June 28, 2009, 03:43:46 pm
... you know, thats actually a really cool idea! Lot of work to do, but propably worth it....
@ ampersand: Help? sure! great! how? :)
Ideas are of course always more than welcome!
If you look at the code you will see though that it's barely readable.
Post by: Ampersand on June 28, 2009, 04:29:03 pm
sold 6 tons of !☺"☺ for 1.840433e-034 Cr.
It also made my scout's cargo hold six times bigger.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 28, 2009, 04:31:14 pm
Post by: Ampersand on June 28, 2009, 04:36:56 pm
If you find a dead away team, you automatically pick up all of their equipment, however, due to the small size of the display, you'll often not even notice what you've really acquired, as it's all done line by line.
Post by: Rhodan on June 28, 2009, 04:40:02 pm
Underwater exploration would be neat too. I'd like it to be possible to walk through deep water with the proper equipment and encounter aquatic aliens. They'd either need their own branch in the tree, or the land groups would be a subdivision of the aquatic group. Or the other way around, depending on where life originated on the planet.
Perhaps another branch for cave-dwellers as well?
I do miss a lt of the messages as well... Having auto-inspect on should skip any "not interesting" messages.
Post by: magellan on June 28, 2009, 04:55:13 pm
I found a pretty awesome bug
sold 6 tons of !☺"☺ for 1.840433e-034 Cr.
It also made my scout's cargo hold six times bigger.
Okey... that smells like a buffer overflow :/
you don't happen to have a savegame prior to that i guess?
Also: what did you sell? Bought or pirated? ... anything else you can tell me?
Post by: Ampersand on June 28, 2009, 05:03:10 pm
Post by: magellan on June 28, 2009, 05:13:41 pm
One more question: Was it a game that was started with the restart option?
Post by: Ampersand on June 28, 2009, 05:40:45 pm
Post by: slMagnvox on June 28, 2009, 06:14:12 pm
Would love to help playtest 1.7 [slmagnvox AT gmail]
I don't doubt the bright future of this game, the devteam (hi, magellan) seems quite involved. My wishlist would be topped off by interface upgrades. I tried remapping keys for hjkl movement but couldn't get it working. Movement is a bear w/o a numpad. Secondly, a cleaner message interface would make exploration a lot less chaotic, it can be hard to tell who is attacking or even when I am coming under attack.
Jetpacks are awesome, finally ran a good game after buying a set of jpacks and some protective suits.
Havent messed with space combat much. When I encounter pirates early I've only died.
Watch out for radioactive regions! A good science officer might offer a radiologic warning when initially scanning a planet.
Can't wait to play some more tomorrow. Cheers!
Post by: BishopX on June 28, 2009, 09:34:40 pm
Some more differentiation between geyser and tunnel would be nice too.
Post by: codezero on June 28, 2009, 11:48:08 pm
-You have a typo in the gas clouds monster description. it should read " with long, thin tentacles that are several kilometers long."
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I hope that 'typo' wasn't kilometres. Only Americans spell it kilometer, and they don't even use 'em.
Post by: magellan on June 29, 2009, 05:40:43 am
Have played quite a few hours of Prospector since first hearing about it here yesterday. Really enjoying myself.
Would love to help playtest 1.7 [slmagnvox AT gmail]
Heya. Gmail doesnt allow zips containing exes (which is what I would have sent you)
Post by: slMagnvox on June 29, 2009, 07:31:59 am
Have played quite a few hours of Prospector since first hearing about it here yesterday. Really enjoying myself.
Would love to help playtest 1.7 [slmagnvox AT gmail]
Heya. Gmail doesnt allow zips containing exes (which is what I would have sent you)
Oh well what the hell. I can wait around till an official release. Put me on the mailing list.
Scared up 140031 pts
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: a1s on June 29, 2009, 08:14:02 am
Post by: magellan on June 29, 2009, 09:15:44 am
edit to add: Except that it didnt work. still getting the failure notice :(
Post by: Granite26 on June 29, 2009, 09:24:08 am
(by for every and there's 1, I mean type, and this is obviously an example)
For every 2 shrubs, there's 1 tree and 1 small herbivore.
For every 2 trees, there's 1 large herbivore
For every 2 small herbivores, there's 1 small predator
For every 5 large herbivores, there's 1 large predator
Then look at the earth biomass indicators
Each 5 lions requires 1 herd of antelopes. (Or someat) something similar could be done.
Fun ways to break this are omnivores (bears take up a large herbivore slot and 1 small predator slot), hibernators (giant worms sleep for 4 years at a time and thus take up 1/4 of a large predator biomass slot). Carnivorous plants provide a shrub, but act as a small predator.
Suited for life:
While I'm not a trekkie, this is useful to read (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_M_planet) It's basically common suspension of disbelief.
Other fun:
Astrobiology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrobiology)
Habitability (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_habitability) : Actually, this site has LOTS of neat links
Theorized Life supporting atmospheres:
Ammonia
Methane
I'll admit to being a carbon chauvenist, but silicon is also an option, and the softer you want to get, the farther from carbon on the table you can go.
initial scan data
[starname]-[orbit ordinal] CLASS [class]
Atmosphere : [atmosphere]
Weather : [weather activity] (Could be 'active' with winds, 'chemical rains' or whatever)
Geology : [geology type] (liquid core? dead planet? unknown?)
Biological Suitability : [biosuit] (Looks like you like heavy life planets. This is a best guess for how deep the tree is)
Detected Life: (Detected life would just be whatever showed up on the terrain scan. If you establish that 1 Large herbivore implies that there's enough biodiversity to support a small predator, you'll know that's out there too.)
1 shrub
1 tree
1 large herbivore
As you scan new plants and animals, they'd be added to this list. Also, after you scan the first plant or animal, the life on planet section is filled in:
Plants on XXX
Plants have evolved the use of chlorophyl to derive power from the sun. (Ok, my botany is crap)
Animals on XXX
Large animals usually have [defining characteristics.]
Anyway my two cents... Sorry for the mind dump
Post by: Granite26 on June 29, 2009, 09:25:06 am
Oh.... thanks for the tip a1s! I sent slmagnvox the game right after reading this.
edit to add: Except that it didnt work. still getting the failure notice :(
Try renaming the file to 'file.zi_' rather than file.zip... That should keep google from knowing what it is
Post by: a1s on June 29, 2009, 09:30:12 am
Oh.... thanks for the tip a1s! I sent slmagnvox the game right after reading this.that's odd. well I sent him my own.
edit to add: Except that it didnt work. still getting the failure notice :(
edit: well, no notice yet, that's a good sign.
Post by: magellan on June 29, 2009, 09:56:53 am
And thanks to granite26. Ideas and reading material is always welcome :)
Post by: Ampersand on June 29, 2009, 10:20:50 am
Post by: slMagnvox on June 29, 2009, 04:16:21 pm
Oh.... thanks for the tip a1s! I sent slmagnvox the game right after reading this.that's odd. well I sent him my own.
edit to add: Except that it didnt work. still getting the failure notice :(
edit: well, no notice yet, that's a good sign.
Score. Appears to have arrived intact.
I had reread a large part of the thread and wanted to speak up for Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup. Its interface has nearly spoiled me for other roguelikes. Best in show I'd have to say, the autoexplore feature is so great its hard to go back and play Nethack w/o it.
I am going to try harder to rig up some key bindings for hjkl movement. Is there a numpad=off setting I am not seeing?
Thanks again magellan and a1s.
Post by: Ampersand on June 29, 2009, 04:26:13 pm
Post by: a1s on June 29, 2009, 05:07:12 pm
you can use
END for lower-left
Home for upper-left
PgUp for upper-right and
PgDn for lower-right
it's worth learning these as most RL out there will support them. It might feel counterintuitive for a day or 2, but you'll be using them automatically in no time. ;)
Post by: magellan on June 29, 2009, 05:09:09 pm
I don't have a numberpad either, but there is a autoselect diagonals that really helps.
It does? Great! I was wondering if it would be bearable at all! Thanks for the feedback.
As for the mountains: it *shouldnt* land in the middle of a mountain range anymore. Just a small valley to explore on a mountainous world? yap. happens. Start again and return when you have jetpacks. You aren't getting landing sites that look like this do you?
^^^
^@^
^^^
... if you do i need to look at that part again :/
Post by: Ampersand on June 29, 2009, 06:58:35 pm
Code: [Select]
^^^^^^^
^..@..^^
^.....^^
^^^^^^^
Post by: slMagnvox on June 30, 2009, 01:01:00 am
about numpads:
you can use
END for lower-left
Home for upper-left
PgUp for upper-right and
PgDn for lower-right
it's worth learning these as most RL out there will support them. It might feel counterintuitive for a day or 2, but you'll be using them automatically in no time. ;)
I am pretty decent with the 1-9 keys across the top when required, I've just been using the vi style yuhjklbn keys so often I've grown quite fond of them.
Post by: Ampersand on June 30, 2009, 01:42:03 am
Post by: codezero on June 30, 2009, 02:14:56 am
I don't have a numberpad either, but there is a autoselect diagonals that really helps. Another thing I frequently encountered, my ship would frequently land in an area completely surrounded by mountains. Not too big a deal if you have jetpacks or something, but if you're starting out, kind of a buzz kill moment.
Another thing you can do is take-off and land again, it should put you in a different spot IIRC
Post by: Ampersand on June 30, 2009, 03:25:41 am
I don't have a numberpad either, but there is a autoselect diagonals that really helps. Another thing I frequently encountered, my ship would frequently land in an area completely surrounded by mountains. Not too big a deal if you have jetpacks or something, but if you're starting out, kind of a buzz kill moment.
Another thing you can do is take-off and land again, it should put you in a different spot IIRC
Really? Oh.
Post by: magellan on June 30, 2009, 03:52:07 am
Post by: codezero on June 30, 2009, 07:00:01 am
Post by: Rhodan on June 30, 2009, 09:52:00 am
Post by: magellan on June 30, 2009, 11:18:14 am
Post by: slMagnvox on June 30, 2009, 06:04:08 pm
Anyone else noticing lots of ~~~~ symbols just out of LOS? They always seem to correspond to lifeforms, does this represent some beyond LOS perception? Noises or the like.
On some planets, map data is revealed beyond LOS. Also seems to correspond with the presence of lifeforms.
The new starmap is very large! Feature request, small/medium/large starmaps with scaling victory conditions. Hitting the 100k mark can be accomplished with diligent exploration in only a small quadrant of the new starmap. Although map data appears to be worth much less between 1.6 and 1.7
Edit: And the reason I stopped playing for a minute to post: Looted a dead away team and picked up " 1 . " Blank item.
Post by: BishopX on June 30, 2009, 07:50:16 pm
As for map size, it seems like the space station 1 isn't centered vertically anymore. The navcomp also no longer fills in the boundaries. I really like the new map size, combined woth the gas giants, which allow you to "hop "further provided you're tough enough. This is the first version in which I found it worth while to buy anything other than explorer ships, simply because they were so cost efficient to use when exploring.
Post by: ductape on July 01, 2009, 12:55:37 am
dcody99 -=-at-=- hotmail =-=dot=-= KAWM
;D
Post by: beorn080 on July 01, 2009, 01:06:13 am
I nearly died once being blown into a crater, but i got blown back out in the nick of time.God I feel old. I'm recognizing other peoples movie scenarios when they don't. Someone help me feel not alone and horribly old and name what this is from before I feel obliged to.
"I tell you one thing, though. Wherever we go, whatever we do, we're gonna take this luggage with us!"
I would like to take this moment to ask for varied use luggage to be put in. Very high price, but would serve as a raft, armor, a weapon, primitive glider, and maybe some other things.
Post by: Tilla on July 01, 2009, 01:09:27 am
lizzyinthesky
@gmail.com
Post by: BishopX on July 01, 2009, 10:24:31 am
Unrelated bug, Examining a creature and then stopping examining via the escape kep shows a blank square there until your next action.
Post by: magellan on July 01, 2009, 11:51:13 am
Edit: Oh... just remembered why i wouldn't know where it loads maps. It doesnt :)
Post by: beorn080 on July 01, 2009, 02:30:13 pm
Post by: BishopX on July 01, 2009, 03:06:42 pm
Also, are jetpacks supposed to refuel after a period of time?
EDIT: picking up resources seems to make them refual completly (0 to 25), there may be other ways.
Bugs:
When firing ships weapons via satellite uplink, the weapon selection menu leaves a big black bar across the top of the screen. Also selecting which weapon to fire seems to move the away team.EDIT: Movement not confirmed, trying to fire imp missiles from weapon slot 3 (of 3) cancels firing however. Over exuberant use of the gamma lasers also made the satellite disappear.
With no satelite, you can enter your ship and give it the "Land" command, causing it to pick up and move to a new location...however it leaves you sitting in the same spot. If you have to walk to the bridge to get the ship to move, why would you leave?
Additionally clarification of line of sight for the fire command would be useful. Is it LOS from the away team, the ship? If you have a satellite in orbit and are firing missiles should it matter? What about lasers?
Post by: Sowelu on July 01, 2009, 03:15:04 pm
Post by: Granite26 on July 01, 2009, 03:26:10 pm
Post by: BishopX on July 01, 2009, 03:30:57 pm
Also, upgrading your hull gets rid of artifact sensors...
Post by: magellan on July 01, 2009, 04:03:33 pm
...
What can i say... i knew why i asked for volunteers for this one...
Post by: BishopX on July 01, 2009, 04:44:16 pm
Post by: magellan on July 01, 2009, 06:55:45 pm
Speaking of new stuff: anybody found a pyramid yet?
Post by: Ampersand on July 01, 2009, 07:07:46 pm
If so, I recommend that you give it a shot for some inspiration.
Post by: BishopX on July 01, 2009, 07:31:48 pm
I really love the gas giants, although I feel that in mid to late game there is essentially no risk to refueling.
Post by: magellan on July 01, 2009, 08:05:21 pm
And no, ampersand. Havent played x-com so far. though i haven't heard anything bad about it so might try it.
Post by: BishopX on July 01, 2009, 08:10:00 pm
Post by: magellan on July 01, 2009, 08:25:56 pm
Post by: BishopX on July 01, 2009, 09:12:38 pm
Post by: Granite26 on July 01, 2009, 09:47:33 pm
Post by: BishopX on July 01, 2009, 09:54:47 pm
More bugs:
The ammo counter for missiles and ship guns decrements the wrong side, i.e. it's Total/Remaining instead of Remaining/Total
Landing on a building means you need to bypass building door locks to get to your ship (this is annoying when there are 3 giant frickin' robots of death massacring your red shirts)
Sometimes there is no hit resolution in space combat, I'm guessing these are misses.
There are numerous charter artifacts on the @ screen, mostly notably lots of lowercase blue r's on the lower right side. You really just need a re-draw command.
not doing something takes time...
Post by: Ampersand on July 01, 2009, 10:37:43 pm
Post by: slMagnvox on July 02, 2009, 10:34:04 am
I play primarily exploration, haven't traded or pirated much. My first few missions can be badly hampered if Station 1 doesn't sell binoculars or a cheap set of weapons. Maybe each starting ship class could correspond to an appropriate starting inventory, plus the typical bonus items. Binoculars and some combat blades for Scout. Perhaps a ship detection sensor for the Fighter. A pair of laser rifles or similar and some protection suits for the Transport. And so on.
Or maybe remove the binocular item altogether, it gives such a large boost in LOS and for so cheap it seems any survey team worth their salt would sleep with a pair under their pillow at night. Give base LOS a little bump and let the personal sensorset be the sweet LOS upgrade I spend the early game hunting for. I've lost a couple early crews just going blind from Station 1 to St2 to find some binoculars.
LOS could further be modified by atmospheric conditions. In which case a sensorset could help overcome the disadvantage on a densely atmosphered world, while on an airless world in proximity to a star LOS could be much larger.
At any rate, I've found that many of my games are dictated by what types of equipment is available at the stations. Availability of key items should play a part in how you'd like to balance the game. In contrast to ship hulls and equipments which are all completely available at every station. Its frustrating when neither station will stock Comm Sats, but anti-climatic when I can buy a Battleship on either.
I have visited a few pyramids. It was a fun explore but the loot wasn't so great, some gold or (exotic) gems might be thematic. Can't remember if I got much of the jewelries etc to the antiques dealer on the Colony (He never seems to offer to buy many of the items I've found) Liked the monsters (a few more variations would be great), traps and hidden walls. Even a L5 Sci Officer gets jammed on a locked door more often than I'd like.
Have a look at the hiring dynamic. Perhaps a list of who is available for hire, for example select Gunner and a L2 and a L4 are available. The L4 might not join your crew if they are too green or else ask for a big signing bonus (3x money up front or something) Oftentimes when I am replacing crew, I'll hire a couple level 1s, then maybe a 3 in one position and go back to the level 1, hire a 2 and then "no more avail for this position" Seems counterintuitive to just treat it like the roulette wheel.
Only one crash bug so far <knocks on wood>
Seen a few screen artifacts (you may have noticed the 5 on the far left of the screen in that save I sent you)
If you <q> to quit on a station it still asks you if you want to leave with out fuel/pilot/etc
On certain planets out of LOS creatures appear to leave ~~~~ that overwrite map data.
Picked up a few blank items, mostly from dead awayteams. . You pick up the . Also an asteroid had high concentrations of <blank> . Also high concentrations of Alien Holokeycard.
After a certain point find Alien Holokeys on every other planet. (still haven't found what they unlock, Robot City? No wait don't tell me, hah)
Cheers!
Post by: Granite26 on July 02, 2009, 10:59:41 am
So I'll agree with slMagnvox... Maybe a default of 3, 1 at night, with items increasing to unlimited and 2(3 for upgrade). Unlimited isn't as powerful as it seems, planets with stuff to see usually have a lot of LoS breakers as well.
If you haven't, consider the random space scanners reveal. Maybe do a 50% chance of revealing a mountain tile and a lower (1-4%) for everything else. (just brainstorming)
Post by: Ampersand on July 05, 2009, 05:57:52 pm
Post by: magellan on July 06, 2009, 05:55:05 pm
And actually got to catch most of the bugs pointed out to me today & yesterday. The day of release is nigh. :)
(and if you give me a e-mail adress ampersand, I'd send it to you) ;)
Post by: Ampersand on July 06, 2009, 06:55:15 pm
Post by: Ampersand on July 07, 2009, 02:46:28 am
Edit: Second thing, more likely a bug. Landed on a special planet. Don't want to spoil it for anyone though. I landed on the far right edge of the map in a pool of liquid ammonia, and the lander disappeared, at which point the landing party was forced to run around on the surface as death from above was laid upon them.
Edit2: Another minor bug. Encountered a huge, vicious pirate elite tro. I'm sure it should be trooper.
Edit3: Another possible bug. It doesn't seem like the stock of recruits for the three main positions ever replenish.
Edit4: Crash
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Aborting due to runtime error 6 (out of bounds array access) at line 1803 of C:/sources/prospector.bas::EXPLOREPLANET()
Post by: magellan on July 07, 2009, 04:21:58 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The others i shall look into. thanks!
Post by: Ampersand on July 07, 2009, 03:00:07 pm
Edit: I also found a nameless item on a dead away team.
Post by: Shoku on July 12, 2009, 04:36:24 pm
I really love the game so far!You could really change the scanning mechanism with this- instead of just scanning each creature around you'd get most of your money from filling out the details on a tree of life for the planet that you work down the branches from to try and figure out what the trunk was. If you do this for the trees too you could get a bit more normal amount of money from scanning a planet with an average amount of life on it but without having to scan every tree once you had pretty much figured out what was on the planet.
One thing I'd love to see is the ability to check up on the data you've collected, and perhaps name your discoveries.
Things like looking up the planet maps, the list of known species on those planets, details of each species,... The game is mostly about exploring after all!
Another thing I'd like to see is a more consistent biodiversity on each planet. Aliens from the same planet should share a common ancestor or two, to make them similar enough to be widely different from aliens from another planet.
Example: Planet X has 3 main groups of creatures: Avians, mammals and insects.
The mammals come in two big groups: tripedal and tentacled.
The tripedal mammals come in the scaled and feathered varieties, each with their own subdivisions for predators, prey and perhaps a sentient species or two.
The tentacled mammals happen to be all furry, but there is a subgroup with a flotation bladder.
The other groups also have their own subdivisions. The more cosmetic traits can be added more loosely, like eye shape and neck length. (but not eye type or number of eyes)
This mimics earth in that almost all land-dwelling vertebrates have 4 limbs, divided in avians, reptiles and mammals. Each group can then be split in other groups and so on.
I think that this way each planet would get it's own signature biodiversity, which could become very noticeable and interesting if you are able to name and catalogue these creatures.
Post by: Jetman123 on July 12, 2009, 05:07:13 pm
1. Up pirate generation. At the moment it's kind of hard to be a pirate hunter. I know that sensors do help, but it's hard to afford them right away for those who want a space combat route.
2. Separate out buying of weapons and items. Give me one per purchase, so I can get a specific number instead of buying them in increments of five.
3. It should be possible to get heavy weapons of some sort for a large credit cost that your Gunner can use in conjunction with a Security member (As they're large multicrewed weapons)
4. Make it so that examining things doesn't cost a turn. Trying to separate out hostile creatures from nonhostile creatures is a MASSIVE headache when you know whenever you stop observing the environment the creature will attack again.
5. Grenades. Should take a moment to explode. Should have you able to set a timer on them. Should allow you to target a specific spot on the ground instead of specifying a direction. At the moment they're entirely worthless as chances are you're going to end up killing YOURSELF more often than not, especially with the fusion grenades. Too-short throws happen ALL THE TIME. Seven times out of ten I end up killing every team member I have because the grenade throw was too short.
6. Fix the armed reptillian planet so you can sell guns to them if you wish. At the moment you can't, apparently, seeing as giving them any sort of weapon fails to work.
As for the game itself - I absolutely love it, and am now addicted to it. I'm glad I stumbled across this topic.
I really want to see how this game grows. It has a LOT of potential, and even in it's alpha state is highly fun to play. (Gee, doesn't that sound like something we all know and love. :D)
Post by: Granite26 on July 12, 2009, 08:45:20 pm
I've got a suggestion or six, actually:
1. Up pirate generation. At the moment it's kind of hard to be a pirate hunter. I know that sensors do help, but it's hard to afford them right away for those who want a space combat route.
2. Separate out buying of weapons and items. Give me one per purchase, so I can get a specific number instead of buying them in increments of five.
3. It should be possible to get heavy weapons of some sort for a large credit cost that your Gunner can use in conjunction with a Security member (As they're large multicrewed weapons)
4. Make it so that examining things doesn't cost a turn. Trying to separate out hostile creatures from nonhostile creatures is a MASSIVE headache when you know whenever you stop observing the environment the creature will attack again.
5. Grenades. Should take a moment to explode. Should have you able to set a timer on them. Should allow you to target a specific spot on the ground instead of specifying a direction. At the moment they're entirely worthless as chances are you're going to end up killing YOURSELF more often than not, especially with the fusion grenades. Too-short throws happen ALL THE TIME. Seven times out of ten I end up killing every team member I have because the grenade throw was too short.
6. Fix the armed reptillian planet so you can sell guns to them if you wish. At the moment you can't, apparently, seeing as giving them any sort of weapon fails to work.
As for the game itself - I absolutely love it, and am now addicted to it. I'm glad I stumbled across this topic.
I really want to see how this game grows. It has a LOT of potential, and even in it's alpha state is highly fun to play. (Gee, doesn't that sound like something we all know and love. :D)
1: Try scanning planets (without landing)... It doesn't give you a lot of money, but it's free, and can bump your cash flow nicely.
2: I'd guess the 'buying five' is a balance issue.
4: Are you using the examine command? I've not had this issue
Post by: a1s on July 12, 2009, 10:23:41 pm
4: Are you using the examine command? I've not had this issueI think I know what the problem is: the key that gets you out of examine mode is also [one of] the key the skips a turn. I routinely press it one time too many.
Post by: magellan on July 13, 2009, 06:09:54 am
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Make reptiles buy stuff: 5 lines
Add # question to buying: 3 lines less
Add delay to grenades: modify one line
Ok: consider your suggestions accepted :D
Post by: magellan on July 13, 2009, 05:02:10 pm
I just uploaded 0.1.7, you can get it here: http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/
Post by: Granite26 on July 13, 2009, 05:52:39 pm
Oh, and Yay!!!! (dl'ing now)
Edit : A few small things.
Buying Navigation Computer asks for an amount (number to buy)
Exit (pressing Y) isn't working.
Post by: magellan on July 13, 2009, 08:08:06 pm
I am not quite certain: Do you mean you should be able to confirm the number of items bought with "Y"? or is that somewhere else?
Oh and btw: If you (or anybody else) loses a com sat again. could they/you save the game and send it to me? I don't think i have found that one yet.
Post by: Granite26 on July 13, 2009, 08:15:10 pm
I meant when I tried to exit the game altogether
Anyway, I love the new features. It's awesome.
Post by: magellan on July 13, 2009, 08:35:05 pm
Post by: Ampersand on July 13, 2009, 10:25:30 pm
Edit: Also found a bug. I attempted to land at a star with no planets.
It worked.
Kind of. I didn't crash into the star and evaporate, instead, I was on a non-existent map, on which my oxygen drained the instant I moved from the top left corner where my ship apparently was.
Post by: magellan on July 14, 2009, 06:55:51 am
No planets... guess i never tried that :)
Anyway: just wanted to say: for those who enjoy trading: 3 of the 5 new uniques feature new markets, so don't forget to scan :)
Post by: Ampersand on July 14, 2009, 08:05:24 am
Post by: magellan on July 14, 2009, 08:46:29 am
:)
Post by: Ampersand on July 14, 2009, 09:48:42 am
Edit: ....
... I renamed the lib, and then it compiled properly. I can confirm that it works. The colors are a bit different though
Post by: magellan on July 14, 2009, 10:25:14 am
I see 4 possible courses of action from here ampersand:
1) You send me that thing by email and i upload it so that others can profit from your hard work with you getting not even the slightest bit of aknowledgement.
2) I add you as a contributor and you upload it yourself (need a google account for that) so that others can profit from your hard work with you getting not even the slightest bit of aknowledgement.
3) You don't because if you did that others can profit from your hard work with you getting not even the slightest bit of aknowledgement.
4) I spend a week or 2 trying to figure out how to make this freebasic compiler thing compile for linux form windows, wich i know it can, but i need to recompile the compiler and i heard it might be buggy.
So what shall it be ampersand? :)
Post by: Ampersand on July 14, 2009, 10:53:57 am
Putting the tiles bitmap in the folder fixed the color problem, by the way.
Edit: Email'd.
Also, I'm not sure, but you may need to include libfmod.so in this distribution.
Post by: Dwarmin on July 14, 2009, 12:32:04 pm
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Post by: Ampersand on July 14, 2009, 12:40:47 pm
Otherwise, it will be my guilty pleasure.
Post by: magellan on July 14, 2009, 01:28:29 pm
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And yes: who can, try plz and say if it works.
Post by: Tsktac on July 14, 2009, 06:48:05 pm
It absolutely refuses to locate libfmod3.75.so
Edit: ....
... I renamed the lib, and then it compiled properly. I can confirm that it works. The colors are a bit different though
What exactly did you name it? It won't even acknowledge it's there in the the linux version.
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Post by: magellan on July 14, 2009, 07:32:18 pm
I think it expects it in usr/lib
and maybe it even should be named "libfmod.so"
No idea if that will do it but it's worth a shot.
@ductape: that was from robot chicken star wars... dunno why just popped into my head when i wrote that :)
Post by: Ampersand on July 14, 2009, 08:05:26 pm
Oh, and it should either be in /lib or /usr/lib
Post by: Tsktac on July 14, 2009, 09:23:09 pm
Is it working with anyone else?
Post by: Ampersand on July 14, 2009, 09:51:25 pm
Post by: Tsktac on July 14, 2009, 10:35:23 pm
... crap had my hopes up :(
P.s. I also tried lib32 and lib64 (The latter already had the file)
Post by: Ampersand on July 14, 2009, 11:26:57 pm
Post by: Tsktac on July 14, 2009, 11:47:43 pm
Hope it helps.
Post by: Ampersand on July 14, 2009, 11:57:39 pm
Post by: Tsktac on July 15, 2009, 12:08:51 am
Crap, maybe if I rename it...
Nada :(
Post by: Ampersand on July 15, 2009, 02:37:02 am
Can you walk me through the process you went through?
Post by: Ampersand on July 15, 2009, 01:07:05 pm
Post by: magellan on July 15, 2009, 02:31:06 pm
(a bit of googling told me that fmod problems in linux are sometimes solved by being root. are you root tsktac?)
Post by: Ampersand on July 15, 2009, 02:56:30 pm
Writing a separate plugin for linux is probably a better way to go about it, using either Alsa or PulseAudio.
Post by: Tsktac on July 15, 2009, 07:33:56 pm
I may have named wrong but, now it works (In /lib32 or /lib64). BTW thanks magellan, this is so much better than using wine ;D
Post by: Ampersand on July 15, 2009, 10:11:37 pm
Post by: magellan on July 16, 2009, 03:17:18 am
Success!
I may have named wrong but, now it works (In /lib32 or /lib64). BTW thanks magellan, this is so much better than using wine ;D
Hate to correct you, but that's thanks ampersand, not thanks magellan ;)
also in a radical break with tradition i have fixed some bugs. Planet side trading mainly.
Post by: Ampersand on July 17, 2009, 11:44:54 pm
It would be nice if you included a source-only file on the google code site, preferably in a tarball.
Post by: Jetman123 on July 18, 2009, 08:32:06 pm
Love the gas giants. Although perhaps encounters with creatures in them happen a bit too frequently.
Post by: Ampersand on July 19, 2009, 09:30:47 am
Post by: Cheshire Cat on July 23, 2009, 10:32:15 am
i really want to be able to see what stuff i have, as well as examine objects in my inventory, like the disintergrater gun i found. is that for use by my away teams or my ship?
also this game is awesome and ive just spent 4 hours playing it. i die in such frustratin ways. also sandworms. arrrrhhhh.
Post by: Ampersand on July 23, 2009, 10:43:28 am
However, they automatically equip the best things, and equipment that is equipped does not show up on the inventory screen, but is rather added to the total Armor and total Firepower.
Post by: slMagnvox on July 23, 2009, 01:00:34 pm
i must be broken. ive looked all through this thread and found multiple references to an inventory screen, yet i cant find out how to access it in looking at the key list or just pressing random buttons in game.
The '@' key brings up your status and a list of all possessed equipments. No way of examining individual items (that I am aware of) but the names generally sum them up. Occasionally vendors on unique planets sell the artifact gear and descriptions for the more obscure stuff can be read there. Suffice to say, its better than the stuff you've bought at the station.
As Ampersand mentioned, its all automatically equipped anyhow.
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i really want to be able to see what stuff i have, as well as examine objects in my inventory, like the disintergrater gun i found. is that for use by my away teams or my ship?
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Post by: magellan on July 24, 2009, 07:18:26 am
Also: a tiny preview of 0.1.8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swKyqiqcBS0
Also: I sent you an email ampersand. you should be able to upload.
Post by: Ampersand on July 24, 2009, 12:14:58 pm
Post by: slMagnvox on July 24, 2009, 01:17:25 pm
Post by: Ampersand on July 24, 2009, 01:20:56 pm
Post by: magellan on July 24, 2009, 01:45:42 pm
The roomiest is the armed merchantman. That one is 57x14 (planet maps are 60x20)
Problem with the ship beyond repair is that that tile doesn't know what it used to be before it became beyond repair. But one could change that of course... ok. noted.
and yes: i made a few critters, not all drifting ships are filled with crews who forgot to refuel :)
Generating deck plans randomly would of course be really cool... and also really hard :)
Post by: Granite26 on July 24, 2009, 02:02:47 pm
Doing random damage to the inside OTOH...
Post by: Ampersand on July 24, 2009, 03:17:06 pm
Post by: magellan on July 24, 2009, 03:51:51 pm
Anyway: you are right granite26, but ships are to some extend configurable in the game... now wait a second! If i put the weapons turrets on my deckplans in positions where i could add another room ... i can do that! yay! thanks granite26! :D
Post by: BishopX on July 24, 2009, 05:12:38 pm
We already have the armor, the power fists, the bolters and lasguns...
Post by: Caz on July 27, 2009, 05:48:40 pm
Post by: Ampersand on July 27, 2009, 06:57:24 pm
Post by: magellan on July 27, 2009, 08:11:22 pm
Post by: Ampersand on July 27, 2009, 08:56:14 pm
Minor Breakthrough <---------------> Biology as we know it is changed forever.
In addition, I think there needs to be some modification to how many points are earned from studying plants. A pseudofunction below outlines the sort of way I would calculate it.
Code: [Select]
Points Earned =
((ABS(percent chance of life-1))*5) <--The less likely life is on the planet, the more points you get
Adding to it
((ABS(percent chance of life-1))*5)
----------------------------------- <-- This increases the number of points in exotic atmospheres
%Atmospheric Oxygen
So;
ABS(.5-1)*5 = 2.5
2.5/.2 = 12.5 points
This would make exploring difficult planets with hostile environments much more lucrative.
Post by: Caz on July 28, 2009, 08:26:47 am
Post by: magellan on July 28, 2009, 08:47:00 am
A key element would be to make random, unique & interesting plants. And i can't wrap my head around that somehow. The random monsters work pretty well i think (At least I myself always chuckle when i meet a horned, scaled humanoid with leather wings and a tail)
But if you do the same with plants its just not half as bizarre, because most stuff actually grows somewhere down here. And regarding behaviour most plants do exactly the same too.
Allow me to use this opportunity to go "hmmmmmmm"
Post by: Shoku on July 30, 2009, 02:15:34 am
Actually,(I think) random deck plans are silly... You SHOULD know what the inside of a (Human Civ)ship is going to look like...Well no, you should know what the bridge looks like but as they're armed with all different weapons and shields and so forth why would a "scout" have the same layout as if the hulls were flat out mass produced (and aren't things you mass produce both common and cheap? The more expensive ones would have all the more reason to not look the same.)
Doing random damage to the inside OTOH...
As for pulling it of how do you do the caves? Is it just squares with random lines connecting them? If that's the case for a ship it would probably be easier to start with the max area open, stamp down the bridge room at the front and then draw in the walls instead so all the rooms were right next to each other and then chop doorways out to re-connect them. If you were feeling trixy you might get it to produce a narrow corridor linking most of the rooms on larger ships.
You could also stamp down the engine room since it's pretty much gotta be near the back and then play connect them. Genning one side and then flipping it for the other side is also a consideration.
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Maneaters are the first consideration for plants but you could also have a variety that move a fair deal- earth plants are only mostly restricted in movement because the cell walls are rigid to give them internal water pressure but if the atmosphere was dense that might not be an issue and then there's always the option of plants using other fluids- perhaps on worlds with lots of acid there could be plants that spit at you (or ones elsewhere that spit seeds at you for a different sort of alien parasite.)
(Having young plants unfurl from most of the creatures you kill on a particular world might also be cool.)
And you could have a special world where the plants were converting the water into acid thanks to some irresponsible merchant transporting them to the world and you've got to remove them for the locals.
And if you look around your scifi you'll find ideas like very large plants with hollow interiors that could act as a cave system (or if you wanted to reference the book I have in mind you could have a rather dead planet with an abundance of flora within the plant.)
As for types of plants on earth the progression goes something like seaweed-> moss-> ferns -> seed-plants-> flowering plants. Lichens are a moss+fungus symbiosis but as we can all imagine giant mushrooms you've got another option (variation among mushrooms includes the familiar cap shape, cup shape, and something more like bread fungus where it grows structures shapes sort of like a light post,) and this brings up the option of plant-animal symbiosis creatures (if this were more hard scifi I'd say when the plants didn't need water pressure but since it's not no need.)
And if you want to think Wizard of Oz there are plants that could mess with the crew odor style. It's probably too much of a stretch to have them make you use oxygen faster since you're in suits but if you've done any more advanced speed handling slowing the crew down (or rarely speeding them up,) is an obvious option.
And lastly with a good science officer around perhaps you could heal injured members with certain plants (more likely at the expense of the plant.)
Post by: magellan on July 30, 2009, 07:02:29 am
Radom hardness gets distributed on the map, and then caves get eroded out with celular automata.
That said there are arguments for both approaches. And i think my shipplans are pretty pretty, so lets leave them non random for now :)
Ya see, there are the obligatory maneaters already, and the tree cave too. Hmm... eradicate all/some plant life on x/y.... Hey! could be that i am going to steal that :) thanks
What i meant with all plants do the same is that they turn sunlight & stuff into other stuff. It's really nice of them that they do, but it isn't exactly exciting. Dunno. if i do it analogue to the animals "a spider with 2 lens eyes and a trunk" just sounds a lot more interesting than "A bush with long brown leaves"
Post by: slMagnvox on July 30, 2009, 07:24:23 am
I am intrigued by poisons and parasites where both plant or animal life could be vectors. Space disease etc, could be a frustratingly fun game mechanic. If you were to update the combat and damage mechanics, you could introduce the Medical Officer in charge of treating previously mentioned space disease and tending any serious wounds your party might be afflicted with.
If I kill an insect and my Sci Officer informs me it carries quite an assortment of nasty microbes you could bet I'd be more careful about the rest of the creatures on that planet. Or The plant life here has some remarkable biochemistry, it is violently toxic and you were lucky to have not disturbed it this time! Scientists everywhere will be horrified by this discovery!
EDIT: Oh, one other thing, Biodata is only worth so much when you have a Station of the Biotech or Genetics variety. I love finding one since it makes the first 15k much easier. You could consider just baselining all the stations and what they pay for the different types of data.
Post by: Ampersand on July 30, 2009, 02:01:34 pm
Also had another idea. Exotic fruit may have some merits as a trade resource.
Post by: magellan on July 30, 2009, 05:05:14 pm
They kinda should be there, but i have problem thinking of a way to put them in.
First of all there is the whole "Ok, the environment is hazardous? I close my helmet" thingy.
Ok, gotta find that out first, command for switching to oxygen supply. But then we got a nobrainer: just never open your helmet.
And of course they need to have several effects. Ok, hit chance and damage can be decreased, maybe a disease that makes your science officer rolls harder. Halluzinations of course. Hmm... increased oxygen need?
And of course there needs to be more than one way to deal with it. (Ok, SO, medpack, anti disease medpacks, local flora & fauna)
I really dont want to add yet another "some random damage" element. I think there are more than enough of those.
Oh: and thanks for that observation slMagnvox. thinking about it the amount of biodata has increased quite a bit while this thing grew. Of course one should push the modifier for selling it to omega bioengineering down to counter that. I think I'll do just that :) (*1.8... highest mod of all companies)
Post by: Rhodan on July 30, 2009, 06:07:05 pm
Being diseased puts you in quarantine, making you unable to hire new crewmembers or get full access to space stations and similar.
Cures can be researched by your crew using samples from the planet the disease originated from, or samples from the infected crew. Finding a cure gets you a credit reward, especially if other ships and space stations have been infected already. Space stations with large medical centers can help you research, and might allow you to take a doctor along to the planet where the disease is from. (Doctor wearing extra-special suit to avoid getting infected as well, not failproof)
Getting infected can happen even when you don't open your helmet, as your equipment can get contaminated as well and infect you as soon as your board your ship. The tissue samples your scientist takes along could also cause an outbreak, perhaps during your flight back to the station, or on the station itself after you've gone. This way you'd have to find a cure for the station while not being ill yourself. (yet)
Post by: magellan on July 30, 2009, 06:19:03 pm
Quarantine! of course! I always thought about it as "no docking", not "not into the casino/shops/office", wich would of course mean Quarantine=almost always death.
Post by: niltrias on July 31, 2009, 12:02:56 am
Loving the updates tho. The meteorite planets are sweet.
Post by: magellan on July 31, 2009, 01:57:36 am
They also know 3 radio commands: rover stop, rover start, rover target to make catching them a little easier.
Post by: Neonivek on July 31, 2009, 02:41:29 am
I could understand if the ship had requirements and limitations of repairing it, but a flat out "No" seems excessive. (Though Given there is no Engineer)
Quarantine doesn't have to instantly cause death. Proper medical equipment can make it physically impossible for the disease to spread. A lot of the Danger diseases bring should be how long it takes for the Doctor to recognise it and possibly cure it (So if he finds the most dangerous disease EVER before decontamination then your perfectly safe he only needs to shoot the Security guard)
Though Proper medical equipment is likely against the feel of your game which has a strong Retro-Space feel (betrayed a few times but still retained)
Post by: magellan on July 31, 2009, 03:06:44 am
And yes, time would obviously be the important factor, which makes the doctor=half science officer/science officer = half doctor thing a borderline tactical decision for the player to make. I like it. Main gripe: 4 officers won't fit into a line anymore.
As for the retro feel: I am kinda sorta aiming for that. Good to know i am somewhere near the ballpark. thx! ;D
Post by: Neonivek on July 31, 2009, 03:16:53 am
Captain: "Alright so for by team Ill pick the Pilot, The Gunner, The Engineer, and no one else"
Science Officer: "Captain I must warn you against such actions, they have no use exploring an empty planet."
Captain: "No, I must bring ALL my officers no matter how much I would benefit from them staying on the ship"
Science Officer: "Your making an error, I am an Officer as well"
Captain: "You are? I thought you were a peice of equipment"
Science Officer: "What gives you that idea?"
Captain: "Well..."
TO BE CONTINUED... by someone else
You really got to give these Officers other skills to make taking some of them with you. Though they usually didn't need a reason in Retro-Sci-Fi.
I mean, the Gunner could aim the Ship weapons at Targets you indicate and the Pilot can move the ship to pick you up.
Though the only issue I have with the current roster is that the Science Officer seems... almost too important. He/she/it/android does almost everything and everyone else does nothing. Translates speach, Scans life/death, Opens Locks, and likely other things as well.
Post by: slMagnvox on July 31, 2009, 04:17:53 am
Post by: magellan on July 31, 2009, 05:55:12 am
Hmm... It's pretty much a nobrainer actually... you guys think it should be an option to leave the pilot at the ship? Or just hardcode him out of the awayteam?
Can't really delegate stuff from the science offizer to him, since that would make very little sense.
Post by: slMagnvox on July 31, 2009, 09:39:06 am
How do you use the rovers? I cant figure it out.
Loving the updates tho. The meteorite planets are sweet.
Meteorite planets are dangerous! Lost two captains when impact craters isolated my away team from our ship. Need to be more careful when exploring w/o jetpacks or a Comm Sat.
drop it on a planet, leave and come back later to collect the map data.
They also know 3 radio commands: rover stop, rover start, rover target to make catching them a little easier.
Info on the rovers! Wasn't really sure how to, or if I even could, operate them. Might want to include a rover question in the FAQ.txt.
You think correct slmagnvox.
Hmm... It's pretty much a nobrainer actually... you guys think it should be an option to leave the pilot at the ship? Or just hardcode him out of the awayteam?
Can't really delegate stuff from the science offizer to him, since that would make very little sense.
An option would likely be nice. It is in no way gamebreaking, there should be very dramatic consequences for underequipped exploration, a well equipped awayteam with solid Security support should keep the officers pretty safe, but early missions can have pretty lousy survival rates until that credits for equipments becomes available. Even if I could leave the Pilot behind (and it does feel logical he would stay with the ship) gameplay-wise I'd still be docking at the station often in early-game to replace dead Sci Officers and Gunners.
Post by: magellan on July 31, 2009, 10:50:35 am
Meteorite planets are dangerous! Lost two captains when impact craters isolated my away team from our ship. Need to be more careful when exploring w/o jetpacks or a Comm Sat.
Actually all planets are "meteoroid planets" they just burn up more often on worlds with a dense atmosphere (have yet to couple it with the # of gas giants in the system) :)
But this seems to happen more often than i figured it would (one guy told me he even managed to get hit by one) guess somebody needs to do something about that ...
Question slmagnvox: would you ever want to take your pilot with you? I don't want to add choices that really aren't choices at all.
Post by: Ampersand on July 31, 2009, 11:47:12 am
Meteor planets may be dangerous. I don't think nearby meteor impacts should be immediately deadly, but damage in the radius would be an improvement.
Post by: slMagnvox on July 31, 2009, 11:49:09 am
Meteorite planets are dangerous! Lost two captains when impact craters isolated my away team from our ship. Need to be more careful when exploring w/o jetpacks or a Comm Sat.
Actually all planets are "meteoroid planets" they just burn up more often on worlds with a dense atmosphere (have yet to couple it with the # of gas giants in the system) :)
But this seems to happen more often than i figured it would (one guy told me he even managed to get hit by one) guess somebody needs to do something about that ...
Is great when you are prepared. Its raining resources, oftentimes the goodstuff like transuranic metals and exotic gems.
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Question slmagnvox: would you ever want to take your pilot with you? I don't want to add choices that really aren't choices at all.
Ships with only 5 crew slots, having 4 on the ground with your Captain would be a good deal safer than only 3. Or after all your Security have died bravely and you still want to touch down again, CPGS is a good deal more than just CGS.
Post by: Ampersand on July 31, 2009, 12:48:16 pm
Post by: Granite26 on July 31, 2009, 12:58:37 pm
But when you radio back to the ship to take off and land somewhere else... Who flies it over?
Bishop...
Don't you remember welding him into the pipe so that he could get to the satelite transmitter?
Post by: magellan on July 31, 2009, 02:30:05 pm
*strolls off to change some flavortext*
& thanks for the feedback... didn't even think of that, that the new crater could push a mountain under the ship *slaps forhead* (hmm.... crater makes max 16 new mountains, out of 1200 possible ship positions... gotta admit thats some seriously bad luck!)
Post by: Ampersand on July 31, 2009, 03:24:50 pm
Post by: Granite26 on July 31, 2009, 04:29:07 pm
The pilot by remote control of course!
*strolls off to change some flavortext*
& thanks for the feedback... didn't even think of that, that the new crater could push a mountain under the ship *slaps forhead* (hmm.... crater makes max 16 new mountains, out of 1200 possible ship positions... gotta admit thats some seriously bad luck!)
Not so much... exploring a meteor planet (with all it's mountains) takes a while.. I usually see 3-5 meteors while exploring, especially if I've got to go back for air, or a 5% chance of it with each planet... Only takes 12 planets before you hit even odds of it happening...
Post by: Little on July 31, 2009, 04:38:59 pm
Post by: magellan on July 31, 2009, 05:59:25 pm
Ship kinda floats as a "exit here" point above the surface.
Next version Meteors will aim a little better. ;)
Post by: Mondark on August 01, 2009, 02:22:37 pm
I think I found a bug with the anesthetics though. If I try to feed them to an animal, (using 'c' and then typing 'y') it says something like "The animal eats the .", and then the critter disappears. I'm pretty sure that's not supposed to happen.
Also, a couple places there's "knive" when "knife" would be the correct singular noun.
*facepalm* 'l', not '1', stupid serifs.
Post by: magellan on August 01, 2009, 02:52:41 pm
You are using vi-keys i take it? In that case the wormhole thing is a collision between l for landing and l for going SE that somebody *whistles innocently* didn't thnk about. changing the key used for landing in keybindings.txt should fix that.
Post by: Mondark on August 01, 2009, 04:08:51 pm
Oh dear, a crash that ate my save.
I was on a special world
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Post by: magellan on August 01, 2009, 04:59:39 pm
Wasn't the planet, if that is any comfort for you. If it was it would have crashed while first scanning it/landing on it.
Must have been something else, but unfortunately there are a lot of something elses around :/
Post by: Shoku on August 01, 2009, 05:21:11 pm
The caves get made in a slightly quirky way.Oh right, I should see all the unique worlds before I go proposing them.
Radom hardness gets distributed on the map, and then caves get eroded out with celular automata.
That said there are arguments for both approaches. And i think my shipplans are pretty pretty, so lets leave them non random for now :)
Ya see, there are the obligatory maneaters already, and the tree cave too. Hmm... eradicate all/some plant life on x/y.... Hey! could be that i am going to steal that :) thanks
What i meant with all plants do the same is that they turn sunlight & stuff into other stuff. It's really nice of them that they do, but it isn't exactly exciting. Dunno. if i do it analogue to the animals "a spider with 2 lens eyes and a trunk" just sounds a lot more interesting than "A bush with long brown leaves"
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All animals do the same thing- move around on limbs and turning stuff that goes in their mouth and stuff into other stuff. Not very exciting.
So because most plants don't change instead of mentioning something equally stationary why not use verbs. "Puffs off spores when touched" or "has attracted a variety of small bugs" seem like a move in the right direction but is a bit wordy. You could have plants with damage from the wildlife causing them to leak various types of sap or perhaps some that were natural fountains (could serve the same purpose as flowers for worlds where the plants had easy access to water but animal life did not.)
The animals have a body type/limbs, sensory organs, and some other notable appendage or feature (such as fur.)
Give plants three categories with about as many diversity and it should work just as well.
-it seems like it's not working because you don't want it to before you've tried is all.
yah... diseases.If you're not on your own oxygen there's the option of airborn pathogens getting through whatever filters were in the suit and you could make biodata a bit riskier by having the quality of data gained by examining something through gloves be less than really having full contact with it.
They kinda should be there, but i have problem thinking of a way to put them in.
First of all there is the whole "Ok, the environment is hazardous? I close my helmet" thingy.
Ok, gotta find that out first, command for switching to oxygen supply. But then we got a nobrainer: just never open your helmet.
And of course they need to have several effects. Ok, hit chance and damage can be decreased, maybe a disease that makes your science officer rolls harder. Halluzinations of course. Hmm... increased oxygen need?
And of course there needs to be more than one way to deal with it. (Ok, SO, medpack, anti disease medpacks, local flora & fauna)
I really dont want to add yet another "some random damage" element. I think there are more than enough of those.
Oh: and thanks for that observation slMagnvox. thinking about it the amount of biodata has increased quite a bit while this thing grew. Of course one should push the modifier for selling it to omega bioengineering down to counter that. I think I'll do just that :) (*1.8... highest mod of all companies)
I am personally suprised you have to take all your Officers with you even the ones who have absolutely no use in the field.
Captain: "Alright so for by team Ill pick the Pilot, The Gunner, The Engineer, and no one else"
Science Officer: "Captain I must warn you against such actions, they have no use exploring an empty planet."
Captain: "No, I must bring ALL my officers no matter how much I would benefit from them staying on the ship"
Science Officer: "Your making an error, I am an Officer as well"
Captain: "You are? I thought you were a peice of equipment"
Science Officer: "What gives you that idea?"
Captain: "Well..."
TO BE CONTINUED... by someone else
You really got to give these Officers other skills to make taking some of them with you. Though they usually didn't need a reason in Retro-Sci-Fi.
I mean, the Gunner could aim the Ship weapons at Targets you indicate and the Pilot can move the ship to pick you up.
Though the only issue I have with the current roster is that the Science Officer seems... almost too important. He/she/it/android does almost everything and everyone else does nothing. Translates speach, Scans life/death, Opens Locks, and likely other things as well.
Well we could transition over to each crew member being unique but gaining particular skills in the things they do (perhaps not being able to get more than one skill past level 2. With this there would be reason to keep several members on board and take specific ones off.
A system for making that not-tedious would probably be pretty tricky though.
You think correct slmagnvox.Picking locks might not be so much a scientist thing if we thought of the scientist being very moral while the pilot was more of a street-smarts guy.
Hmm... It's pretty much a nobrainer actually... you guys think it should be an option to leave the pilot at the ship? Or just hardcode him out of the awayteam?
Can't really delegate stuff from the science offizer to him, since that would make very little sense.
Post by: niltrias on August 01, 2009, 07:17:33 pm
drop it on a planet, leave and come back later to collect the map data.Sorry, I must be seriously dense to be missing this, but how do i drop the rover on a planet? As in, which keys do I need to hit? I`ve checked the manual a couple times as well, and not found anything. I`m sure I am just missing something blindingly obvious, but...
They also know 3 radio commands: rover stop, rover start, rover target to make catching them a little easier.
Post by: Mondark on August 01, 2009, 07:23:01 pm
drop it on a planet, leave and come back later to collect the map data.Sorry, I must be seriously dense to be missing this, but how do i drop the rover on a planet? As in, which keys do I need to hit? I`ve checked the manual a couple times as well, and not found anything. I`m sure I am just missing something blindingly obvious, but...
They also know 3 radio commands: rover stop, rover start, rover target to make catching them a little easier.
'd' then select the rover. I think auto'P'ickup has to be turned off though, otherwise you just pick it up right away again.
Simple ones don't seem to work that well though, or if they do, it's pretty inefficient (they get stuck a lot). I haven't tried the fancier ones yet.
Post by: Granite26 on August 01, 2009, 07:29:51 pm
Post by: wallish on August 01, 2009, 09:19:44 pm
I like the idea of picking your crew loadout, but how would you give your player enough information to make an educated guess about what he needs to bring without spoilers?
Science Officer: I am detecting several mobile fauna as well as various flora.
Gunner: They might be hostile
(etc etc)
Post by: Ampersand on August 02, 2009, 01:59:04 am
I see the gunner as being sort of the First security officer, that isn't as easy to kill as the rest. Skilled with guns, not necessarily with close combat arms. The Science officer already fills his role nicely. The pilot? I've got to go with what was already mentioned sort of underhandedly, draw inspiration from Han Solo.
Post by: Neonivek on August 02, 2009, 02:24:16 am
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Picking locks might not be so much a scientist thing if we thought of the scientist being very moral while the pilot was more of a street-smarts guy
Actually it is a computer thing. That is why the Scientist picks locks.
If there is a Morality issue involved then Lock picking should be more involved with characters you hire from Bars and the black market.
Post by: Shoku on August 03, 2009, 07:06:31 pm
It's not a computer thing when it's a hut on some primitive world- or those huts I can't get into were made by advanced people and are loaded with computers and such.QuotePicking locks might not be so much a scientist thing if we thought of the scientist being very moral while the pilot was more of a street-smarts guy
Actually it is a computer thing. That is why the Scientist picks locks.
If there is a Morality issue involved then Lock picking should be more involved with characters you hire from Bars and the black market.
Post by: Neonivek on August 03, 2009, 07:20:55 pm
I am a bit annoyed you cannot blast that Hut's Door open with your Laser Drill. Apperantly Doorium is the strongest material in the universe!
Post by: Ampersand on August 03, 2009, 08:13:01 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 03, 2009, 08:15:00 pm
There are two kinds of lockpicks, Mechanical and electronic. Obviously, they are not meant to be interchangeable.
Alright let me rephrase
The Reason the Scientist is the Lockpicker is because Electronic locks were considered first and thus unlocking is considered under the domain of the Scientist at this point of time.
Post by: neadlak on August 03, 2009, 10:27:07 pm
The question is: do helmet lamps, floodlights, binoculars and sensorpacks actually help with visibility? I keep buying them but it seems my visibility is not changing even when I revisit planets it. Do I need to have one of those items for every person on my away team? What gives?
Post by: magellan on August 04, 2009, 03:16:29 am
And thanks for the kind words :)
Post by: Ampersand on August 04, 2009, 03:18:34 am
Post by: neadlak on August 04, 2009, 03:37:29 am
I'm going to continue investigating this. Call it a pet project. :D
Post by: neadlak on August 04, 2009, 05:16:37 am
Code: [Select]
i.v1=6
i.v1=2
The second line should be i.v2, as in the binocs definition, should it not? Because currently the sensorset is giving us a view range of 2.. which is worse than unassisted vision. :D
Post by: magellan on August 04, 2009, 05:22:22 am
You are of course correct. (In fact those two don't need a v2 at all)
Also i am impressed. I always assumed folks would go blind if they looked at my code.
Post by: neadlak on August 04, 2009, 05:41:34 am
Sadly, even after a recompile, it appears I'll have to start a new game to actually benefit from the increased view range. Drat.
Post by: magellan on August 04, 2009, 05:51:27 am
Post by: neadlak on August 04, 2009, 05:56:24 am
And: I thought so! Now to find a station selling more sensor sets..
Post by: neadlak on August 04, 2009, 06:25:23 am
On a world at maximum orbit, with the sensor set and floodlights, I still only get 2 visibility range. I think your darkness is too strong, or your lights are too weak. Gladly investigating. :D
Post by: magellan on August 04, 2009, 08:35:45 am
It is a computer thing when you deal with Keypads and stuff then apply it to EVERYTHING similar.
I am a bit annoyed you cannot blast that Hut's Door open with your Laser Drill. Apperantly Doorium is the strongest material in the universe!
Are you trying to say that somebody forgot to make huts shootable/destroyable? ooops somebody really did? Now how could that have happened. Lemme fix it & thanks for pointing it out :)
Post by: neadlak on August 04, 2009, 11:18:31 am
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Also thanks for pointing that out!
Post by: Shoku on August 04, 2009, 02:59:46 pm
The gunner could be in charge of just shooting out or otherwise breaking mechanical locks if the pilot couldn't pick em~There are two kinds of lockpicks, Mechanical and electronic. Obviously, they are not meant to be interchangeable.
Alright let me rephrase
The Reason the Scientist is the Lockpicker is because Electronic locks were considered first and thus unlocking is considered under the domain of the Scientist at this point of time.
Post by: niltrias on August 06, 2009, 06:16:38 am
1)I beat the game, and it said that I had only discovered a single unique planet at the end. Odd, I thought I had found a dozen or more.
2) As has been previously noted, the meteors underground are a bit unsettling.
3)I dont know about anyone else, but the pirate battleship mission always comes too early for me, and I have never found it. How about a variety of missions, starting with a cruiser, then a destroyer, then later a battleship?
4)last, and spoily, has anyone solved the creepy colony?
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Post by: Neonivek on August 06, 2009, 08:39:21 am
Unique Planets:
-Psychic: Unique crystal formations cause creatures here to telekenetic making them dangerous foes.
-Artificial Planet: An abandoned artificial planet. If you can reactivate it, it will become a new station for Pirates or whatever the good people are called. (Dang didn't I do this with Atlantis and Mu?)
-Underground World: The top of the planet seems rather ordinary but deep within the caverns is a dangerous Tropical world.
-Ghosts!: Beings made out of pure energy (electrical or Force) float about this planet as well as an abandoned facility. Any team members who die will appear on this planet and won't be friendly.
-GODZILLA!: The Planet has one giant creature on the planet
-Classic: You travel to a planet in the Early Industrial Age, several criminal groups with bullet based projectile weapons rule the streets.
Ugh nevermind I am uninspired...
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Are you trying to say that somebody forgot to make huts shootable/destroyable?
Actually I stumbled upon this purely by mistake by the fact that I have never been able to destroy buildings/Doors. (Killed myself with a Grenade too... DANG they are powerful... even Overpowered.)
As a compliment your game isn't that far from being suggestable to friends! (Dwarf Fortress isn't)
Post by: magellan on August 06, 2009, 12:54:59 pm
Woo time for more Bulk Suggestion in which I like feedbackGot that one in a way already.
Unique Planets:
-Psychic: Unique crystal formations cause creatures here to telekenetic making them dangerous foes.
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-Artificial Planet: An abandoned artificial planet. If you can reactivate it, it will become a new station for Pirates or whatever the good people are called. (Dang didn't I do this with Atlantis and Mu?)Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Would be an interesting reward...
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-Underground World: The top of the planet seems rather ordinary but deep within the caverns is a dangerous Tropical world.That could absolutely be a nice little suprise for some cave systems! Not exactly hard scifi but who cares :)
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-Ghosts!: Beings made out of pure energy (electrical or Force) float about this planet as well as an abandoned facility. Any team members who die will appear on this planet and won't be friendly.Got that one in a way already.
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-GODZILLA!: The Planet has one giant creature on the planetGot that one in a way already.
-Classic: You travel to a planet in the Early Industrial Age, several criminal groups with bullet based projectile weapons rule the streets.
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Ugh nevermind I am uninspired...QuoteAre you trying to say that somebody forgot to make huts shootable/destroyable?
Actually I stumbled upon this purely by mistake by the fact that I have never been able to destroy buildings/Doors. (Killed myself with a Grenade too... DANG they are powerful... even Overpowered.)
As a compliment your game isn't that far from being suggestable to friends! (Dwarf Fortress isn't)
You stumbled upon it, and i forgot to make them shootable so i guess we are even ;)
@Niltrias.
Ok, thanks, will look into that
Ok, thanks, will look into that (actually i think i cought most of those already.)
Well there *is* a destroyer too. But i guess it would make sense to give you the Anne Bonny (I like that name) only after you got the destroyer mission. As for finding: Did you ask around in the casinos? ... actually those ships could do more stuff than blindly running about, with more reports of their latest activites... Ok, thanks, will look into that.
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Post by: Shoku on August 07, 2009, 12:38:24 pm
If it's not confined to the ceiling the plants would do better shaped like round bushes.
While the obvious issue of thermodynamics comes into play because there's no constant input of energy from a star there are a few ways you could handle that- perhaps the fungi have extended their tendrils so some crashed ship's engine or alien artifact and have just been siphoning energy to light up the place from it (and maybe it's running low on fuel so you could choose to fill it up?)
Post by: a1s on August 07, 2009, 01:36:23 pm
one is that going around without a spacesuit could give some bonuses. movement speed is obvious, but also maybe combat?
the other is a bit more far reaching then just disease, morale!
your crew will have a level of morale, that would be lowered by people getting hurt, or killed, perhaps running away from piartes, but also be affected by how long the crew has spent in contained conditions (same air, same recycled food, same people, it gets to you), landing of a world with a breathable atmosphere would allow the crew to breathe fresh air, and perhaps hunt for new tasty food (this could be toggleable- with hunting being better relaxation but also higher infection chance, and you'd probably lose a part of the bio data- people won't like sci officer messing with their food much).
Morale would in turn be raised by having a shoreleave (and getting paid!), which would also reset (or lower) the containment penalty. There wmight also be a ship part that raises morale (some sort of holodeck)
High morale would give bonuses to some rolls. Low morale would give penalties, but also cause a portion of your crew to leave on docking.
Post by: Neonivek on August 07, 2009, 01:48:48 pm
Then the other side of me reminds myself that Megellan REALLY crams a lot into this game so it is more a game of suggesting something he hasn't already put into it (And that isn't silly or stupid)
Post by: magellan on August 07, 2009, 03:12:14 pm
Morale... yes, been at the back of my head too. The redshirt union has a very high turnover rate, yet those guys never strike or quit...
Post by: Shoku on August 07, 2009, 09:39:01 pm
No, I don't mean make the trees wander around the map and kill the crew (at least not on most planets.) We've got land squids n ten arm bears n such all over these planets but you don't see any squirrels or normal size ants. Basically these planets don't have the whole section of the ecosystem you could kill with your bare hands (provided it didn't run away.)
So for large animals or maybe just ones mobile enough that it makes sense to have them moving at a speed similar to humans you could just keep the ones that are around but when you're scanning the trees/shrubs/tall-moss you could have a chance of, say, finding a nest with eggs in it. Lotta biodata from scanning the embryonic forms of critters and I'm sure you could make a decent library of terms to describe the eggs with as well as every other sort of small scale animal scan you can think of to go with this.
Post by: Neonivek on August 07, 2009, 09:40:35 pm
Heh or Oozes!
Post by: niltrias on August 08, 2009, 01:52:04 am
First, a question: How do you equip your ship with found disintigrator cannons? I had a couple, but I couldnt figure out how to get them onto my ship.
Second, quick bug. Drills dont seem to be working. Or, they work, but I generally just mine with my gauss gun or laser rifle. They do plenty of damage, making drills unnecessary.
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By the way, I love the gas giant thing. It really makes being out there for a long time more possible. Maybe a new weapon slot module, tho, a Gas-scoop? then you would have to trade firepower against mission length?
What do you guys think about these? I know its a bit long, but I like to save up ideas before posting.
Post by: Neonivek on August 08, 2009, 03:16:21 am
Post by: niltrias on August 08, 2009, 03:25:59 am
Post by: Neonivek on August 08, 2009, 03:30:25 am
I dunno if i like making mountains destructible. If the idea about two types of mountains was used, maybe changing it from unpassable to passable? Not destroying a mountain, but drilling a pass through the impassable bits?
Well, yeah a pass (for the better drills)... Or at least any minerals ontop of a mountain when you drill it gives you the minerals.
Post by: niltrias on August 08, 2009, 03:39:24 am
Post by: Shoku on August 08, 2009, 04:45:24 am
Now instead of some sort of speed penalty or necessarily an item requirement mountains can become something you've already got code for: gas clouds. You could still have items involved with a climbing kit with rope and crampons and such being maybe a little more expensive than binoculars but in the same sort of price range and offering a bonus to mountain navigation and with jetpacks offering a much larger bonus. Perhaps gas clouds and mountains could have distinct difficulties (gas clouds could just be split into two groups with light colors being less dangerous than dark more dangerous but mountains would need a different symbol ((is V flipped an option?)) if you wanted it to be that visible.)
Though the perils of difficult to navigate terrain are perilous often because those who cannot navigate them precisely because they cannot detect them. For an expert pilot you could have the gas clouds show specific colors while for lesser pilots they'd cycle starting from whatever the minimum danger he thinks it is up through the rest of the colors. Upon inspection (by the pilot) you could display similar colors for any particular set of mountains or maybe the ones nearby but remove it to keep the mountains looking like mountains (and it's not like we go into gas clouds so often that it would be too much of a pain to spend a turn inspecting them first.)
Post by: magellan on August 08, 2009, 04:54:37 am
Other than that short comments: Yep. I realized too that drills were underpowered. Was thinking of yanking up damage reduction for stuff, and have drills ignore it (and do more whop)
Enforcing zoning laws for alien settlements has been on my todolist since forever too :)
Oh, and in case you havent found them niltrias:
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Post by: niltrias on August 08, 2009, 10:04:28 pm
@magellan
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Post by: chaoticag on August 09, 2009, 03:15:41 am
Also, despite the 5% chance, a meteor managed to hit my ship in its second try.
Also, infinite fuel for the jetpack is possible if you drop and pick stuff up.
Post by: Shoku on August 09, 2009, 02:51:18 pm
For showing mountain difficulties, you could also use different colors based on difficulty.Well ya, that's what I was saying. It was probably hidden in all of the explanation of how it would only be visible when the crew member with the right skill for this took a turn to judge how dangerous the mountains were but it was definitely in the post... somewhere. You'd need a pilot to navigate through that mountain of ideas!
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Also: Thanks magellan. I love getting complimented for ideas n_n
Post by: neadlak on August 10, 2009, 07:52:32 pm
Also, are my away teams dropping equipment when the security guys get their butts kicked? I picked up some auxiliary oxygen tanks and then lost 'em again, not sure how.
And as far as my visibility research goes: still max darkness on plenty of outer-orbit planets, with a floodlight and sensorset. Underground/indoors, I was getting 3 spaces - with lamp+sensor set. Up from 2. That's all I got now. =/
Post by: magellan on August 11, 2009, 02:56:39 am
2nd: nope, shouldn't happen. Got a savegame that i could look at?
Post by: neadlak on August 11, 2009, 07:22:35 am
Re: #1 - they were incomplete scans and I don't recall grabbing an alien computer but it's possible.
Post by: niltrias on August 12, 2009, 12:02:16 am
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Post by: magellan on August 12, 2009, 05:45:48 pm
In this particular case i am a bit more worried that it's just plain boring though. :)
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Post by: Neonivek on August 13, 2009, 06:46:13 am
Actually since this is "Classical" Sci-fi there should be a chance the queen is actually a beautiful woman who instead attempts to seduce you and your crew. (Accepting to be the new King without agreeing to stay somehow should net you free Security personel for life!)
Judging by other reponses it seems like that is already in the game.
I need to think HARDER!!!
Though for a Sci-fi game there seems to be a distinct lack of "Attractive people" planets.
Maybe if I start playing again Ill get some ideas. (I kinda stopped for a while)
Post by: magellan on August 13, 2009, 04:31:44 pm
Anyway as Nilthrias already mentioned
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Well.... Insect people yes. The queen underground not as such, no....
Maybe that is a classic that needs to stay dead.
Well not the Queen aspect, the "Insect aliens have an attractive alien queen"
Though it isn't THAT classic I guess... Princess What's Her name counts but that is a comedy (though a lot of REALLY old shows, even serious ones, are often corny enough to be considered a comedy. Heck even the original Startrek I find some of the episodes unintentionally hillarious. The comics were however even weirder then the shows)
Post by: BishopX on August 14, 2009, 07:13:05 am
Post by: Shoku on August 14, 2009, 03:05:00 pm
Usually the more powerful of two groups has the translator (even if it's just that you're in their region,) so if they've got the sort of ego that makes them want to prove they're not inferior it would be a reasonable course of action.
This leads into the scenario where a crew has to talk with the child made like this before it's an adult along with the unnerving psychic-like behavior of it as it's being invisibly fed information from the other insects.
Acting like you can mix two genomes alien to each other would probably not bother too many people and technically the way ants set up their caste system could provide mechanisms to make it work better but any complaints bout this stuff are on a technical level way past what anyone who knows about them would expect anyone else they run into to know anyway.
Too bad I can't think of a way to simplify this so players wouldn't have to read a big paragraph to know what was going on.
Maybe some sort of longish diplomacy thing so as they travel back and forth they watch the kid grow into a seductive woman?
Post by: Neonivek on August 14, 2009, 07:00:26 pm
Now however the old conventions of Sci-fi are becoming extinct mostly because the audiance no longer accepts them. A great way to see this in action is to see how the Federation is treated in all its respected shows and movies. You will see a decline in how great the federation really is as you go from Star Trek to the Prequil (Ignoring Voyager which does go back to "The Federation is great")
Post by: niltrias on August 14, 2009, 08:31:13 pm
For showing mountain difficulties, you could also use different colors based on difficulty.Well ya, that's what I was saying. It was probably hidden in all of the explanation of how it would only be visible when the crew member with the right skill for this took a turn to judge how dangerous the mountains were but it was definitely in the post... somewhere. You'd need a pilot to navigate through that mountain of ideas!
Also: Thanks magellan. I love getting complimented for ideas n_n
Ah, I found it, sorry. You need a pilot....or an improved laser drill! hah!
Post by: Shoku on September 09, 2009, 09:43:20 am
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6160709
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Post by: Little on October 07, 2009, 12:26:45 am
Post by: magellan on October 07, 2009, 10:47:16 am
well... lets just say somebody finally figured out how to use SVN and has put up the most current sources today. (With debugging flags set to on, ah well)
This somebody might also be aiming for putting out a new version this weekend, but i heard he has been doing that for quite a while now, so i wouldn't count on it...
Post by: Gabeux on October 07, 2009, 12:49:52 pm
HA!! :D
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Post by: Tilla on October 08, 2009, 09:32:12 pm
He's still here. I saw him this morning when i was shaving ;)Watch out, I hear he's nuts.
Post by: wallish on October 09, 2009, 02:10:14 am
He's still here. I saw him this morning when i was shaving ;)Watch out, I hear he's nuts.
See, I heard he's legumes.
Post by: Neonivek on October 09, 2009, 05:52:30 am
Post by: Shoku on October 10, 2009, 08:20:12 pm
Maybe the spawn of new creatures should have some delay?
Post by: magellan on October 11, 2009, 09:13:30 am
Just in case anybody wants to know: As i see it there are 3 bugs standing between me and the next release. Guess i missed the "this weekend"-mark (again)
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Oh: And if you are a pirate you can challenge the anne bonny to a duel and become the new pirate king :)
Also: make that one bug left (The biggie: Diseases somehow make your crew multiply. no idea why)
Post by: x2yzh9 on October 11, 2009, 12:49:37 pm
Post by: chaoticag on October 11, 2009, 01:55:05 pm
Also: make that one bug left (The biggie: Diseases somehow make your crew multiply. no idea why)Rabbititous? That is a funny bug, in both senses of the word.
Post by: magellan on October 11, 2009, 02:53:37 pm
yeah, my current theory is that they turn into lizards and lay eggs.
But of course that would never happen ;)
Post by: a1s on October 11, 2009, 04:00:37 pm
Do they do anything "fun" (aside from rabbititis ;)) or do they just kill crews?
Post by: magellan on October 11, 2009, 04:06:34 pm
Post by: x2yzh9 on October 11, 2009, 04:33:43 pm
Just wondering, :P.
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Post by: a1s on October 11, 2009, 06:38:47 pm
Edit: Suggestion: What about having certain companies pay more for different data, for example, smith mining co. will pay more for metal,and Bubba Bio-engeneering will pay more for bio data.I'm pretty sure they already do that... :-\
Post by: Megaman on October 11, 2009, 06:39:49 pm
edit: The readme dosn't say that but I guess I'll take your word. GODAMMIT MAGGELAN UPDATE THE README. No offence.
Post by: magellan on October 12, 2009, 12:40:21 am
Is that doc worthy information? I thought it was a neat little thing to find out. (and not too hard to find out either)
But you are of course right that somebody should do something about the documentation *looks around* what? me? ah well... guess i have to :)
Anyway:
@legolord: you do make sure that you have as many weapons as you have crew members? Of course a plasma rifle packs more punch than a knife, but i wouldn't call the knife useless (If you got enough of them)
@x2yzh9
I actually tried reproducing the reproductive behaviour of my sick crew members and failed (so far) (I did add some extra "check if that is actually a sick person" code, so might be even possible i fixed it)
But usually after deeming something ready for release without too much embaressement for myself i let it sit for a day or two. So i am aiming for wendsday right now.
Post by: Neonivek on October 12, 2009, 12:55:31 am
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a plasma rifle packs more punch than a knife
You switched it back? YAY!
I found the power difference a bit insane!
Guy 1:"My Gun can shoot through a solid kilometer of obsideon in a single shot"
Guy 2: "My Gun shoots energy bolts as hot as the surface of the sun rapid fire!"
Guy 3: "Ohh yeah? Well my weapon is melee!"
Guy 1: "Dang, well you win. You could take down an army with those things"
Guy 2: "Just please be careful"
Guy 3: "I know what you mean, I dropped it on the floor and I took down a planet. It defies physics"
Post by: Ampersand on October 12, 2009, 01:38:12 am
But usually after deeming something ready for release without too much embaressement for myself i let it sit for a day or two. So i am aiming for wendsday right now.
Embarrassment? You are among friends here. If anything it will help you catch bugs sooner rather than later.
Post by: magellan on October 12, 2009, 02:04:51 am
Post by: Neonivek on October 12, 2009, 02:09:11 am
well... its not just emberassment. Its also not just sitting, it also gets played by me, without focus on bughunting, and for some wierd reason that tends to make them appear, so i must ask you guys for a little more patience :)
What NEVER!?!
Ohh wait you said patience, ohh. Well that changes everything. Sure!
Post by: a1s on October 12, 2009, 05:20:45 am
Embarrassment? You are among friends here. If anything it will help you catch bugs sooner rather than later.I second what & said, we'll gladly beta-test it.
Post by: magellan on October 12, 2009, 10:34:18 am
Post by: ductape on October 12, 2009, 04:42:17 pm
Post by: magellan on October 12, 2009, 04:50:36 pm
No reason to yell!
Better now? :)
Post by: Megaman on October 12, 2009, 05:07:55 pm
Is that doc worthy information? I thought it was a neat little thing to find out. (and not too hard to find out either)Instructions should list EVERYTHING about the game that isn't 'secret' to avoid complaints/useless suggestions that are already implemented.
Post by: a1s on October 12, 2009, 10:03:32 pm
1. Sometimes in combat the sound of enemy firing (at least from fighters) will loop instead of ending. It will persist out of combat too! ( my guess is it happens if you skip the message before the sound effect stops playing).
2.
Spoiler: I don't think this was in the game before (click to show/hide)
Post by: magellan on October 13, 2009, 08:00:45 am
Ok, found it, found it, and damn, i thought i had that fixed! looking into it.
Post by: BishopX on October 13, 2009, 09:07:16 am
bugs for you:
-Not all planets display on the system display screen. You can still scan them though. I'm playing without the graphical tiles so this might just be a color issue.
-When calculating how much money came from pirate hunting your percentage calculation doesn't apear to be bounded (e.g. it can produce a result of 6666%). This appears to occur when you end the game having lost money, but still killed from pirate scum.
- opening your faceplate and offering use the same key. This is a problem when feeding creatures in toxic gas.
-I'm seeing Citizens on Non-unique planets with spoiler dialogue. So they be there?
-When you die in a gas cloud it doesn't register crew casualties on the score page.
Post by: magellan on October 13, 2009, 11:43:59 am
and
Oh
and
Well, o is offer, O is open helmets... you can of course remap them by editing keybindings.txt if that is inconvenient to you.
and
Oh, someone forgot to give them their own lines and just copy pasted them from the other colonists. Bad programer, bad! But they do have a reason to be there. Looks like you just didn't stumble upon it.
and
Humm... should it? I guess it should. doesn't count space combat either btw. But i guess it should count.
Thanks for pointing these out bishopX!
Post by: BishopX on October 13, 2009, 01:16:24 pm
Post by: magellan on October 13, 2009, 02:46:35 pm
You are right, they are on "o" and "o" in keybindings, which of course collides! Now how did i manage to do that? ???
... I knew i should not have put this out yesterday :)
Thanks again for pointing that out. An easy do it yourself fix fortunately.
Post by: a1s on October 13, 2009, 03:09:45 pm
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W shows all items you have not equipped and their descr.it's actually reversed (W shows what you're Wearing, and E what's in your invEntory ;)).
E does the same with equipped items.
speaking of which, binoculars show up in the E list (stuff that's not equipped), does that mean they are not getting used?
Post by: magellan on October 13, 2009, 03:19:23 pm
...
As i said: emberassing....
Stuff like binocs and lamps that get used by the whole team don't get put into the equipment list. so, yes they get used, just doesn't show up as associated with a particular crew member.
Post by: niltrias on October 13, 2009, 07:30:59 pm
But thanks for the new version! Looks great...and a bit more difficult!
Post by: niltrias on October 13, 2009, 08:04:03 pm
-> On rogue planets, the sun still rises and sets.
-> I found a unique planet as a rogue. Bug or feature?
-> Both normal and layered p. Forcefields are "the Ultimate". Maybe one should be penultimate?
-> I found two simple automated mining robots for sale, one at 600 and one at 1500. maybe the one at 1500 is not so simple?
Post by: Neonivek on October 14, 2009, 06:32:43 am
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-> On rogue planets, the sun still rises and sets.
That explains so much. Obviously everything in this game is explained by a large sun following your ship.
Post by: BishopX on October 14, 2009, 08:01:31 am
Space shark also got considerably more lethal ;)
Post by: magellan on October 14, 2009, 09:45:26 am
Post by: BishopX on October 14, 2009, 12:03:20 pm
Post by: magellan on October 14, 2009, 01:43:30 pm
When i rewrote that part i obviously forgot to put the counter back in. And i didn't notice that. Guess we are rapidly approaching a bug fix release.
Thanks for pointing those out Niltrias & BishopX
Post by: BishopX on October 15, 2009, 07:46:39 am
Also, why won't they sell you disease kits in quarantine?
EDIT: Another bug: I just took over a battleship, while exploring it said that every weapons turret was empty, but when I moved over from my light scout, every weapons turret was a ships gun!
Post by: a1s on October 15, 2009, 08:47:25 am
Post by: Ampersand on October 15, 2009, 10:13:08 am
You start with each doing .1 damage for a total of .4. If you lose one member, then it drops to .3, then .2. then .1
If you had the same squad with one equipped with one Vibro knife, you get a damage rating of .4, but if the squad member with that knife goes down, your damage drops to 0 instantly, assuming the other members do not re-equip as soon as the first member falls. Additionally, each squad member has to make a successful attack roll. A squad all equipped with combat knives may have more damage output on average than a single man with a vibro knife over the long term, simply because there are more opportunities for successful rolls.
Post by: a1s on October 15, 2009, 10:40:58 am
1.as crew members die the damage rating displayed remains the same (because of how combat works it's hard to say if it's just an interface bug or a game mechanics bug. but my bet goes to it being an interface bug)
2.
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I had discovered the featureless rock (very boring planet) and the game said I found no remarkable planets in the summary. tell me this is a feature! :D
Post by: Neonivek on October 15, 2009, 11:40:20 am
If you got a great filter system you will notice that on planets with certain features that prevent you from getting oxygen that it can increase once you leave those features. (which is rather unique)
Goodness I really should start using spoiler tags instead of being vague.
Post by: BishopX on October 15, 2009, 02:09:37 pm
Post by: magellan on October 15, 2009, 03:53:40 pm
Hmmm.... The satalite bug isn't fixed yet.Please, please, please
Tell me you have a savegame to look at? :/
Anybody else has the sat dissapear?
Post by: BishopX on October 15, 2009, 06:00:17 pm
It's cave related again I get a message saying "Cannot destroy object XXX" when I enter.
Also, there seems to be a blank starship weapon being sold on a special planet, which also doesn't have any unique text....
Post by: thobal on October 15, 2009, 08:20:06 pm
Also, oxygen beeps no longer beep, but launch and landing and meteor impacts still play.
Post by: magellan on October 17, 2009, 07:41:24 am
Can i have a savegame pretty please bishopx?
Post by: BishopX on October 17, 2009, 04:29:44 pm
Post by: Evaristo Carriego on October 17, 2009, 04:42:04 pm
Post by: magellan on October 18, 2009, 08:05:34 am
... Now that i think of it it isn't that helpful of an error message...
Ah well, maybe some day I will just rewrite that part from scratch.
Anyway: 0.1.8a is out. Now with space station sick bays! (and some other bugs squashed.)
Post by: thobal on October 19, 2009, 03:11:20 am
I'm dying out here. At least the new update has abandoned ships, without the biodata I'm lost.
More realistic though, I suppose...
Post by: magellan on October 19, 2009, 06:23:22 am
Please don't kill me for saying this
Anyway: so, nah... no whores :)
Post by: Deon on October 19, 2009, 06:59:59 am
*Deon has been struck down by sheer awesomeness*.
Damn! I saw this thread hundred of times and thought that it's something like a mining simulator roguelike which I saw a lot. And today, bored and almost sleeping at work, I finally open this thread and look at a Youtube video.... HOW COULD I MISS IT!
Man, space exploration game where you look for lifeforms and rare plants and minerals is the game I wanted to have all my life! Too bad there's no really good game like that, mostly arcades or adventures only and they lacked random factor.
I am going to be one of your best fans now :).
Say, are flora/fauna species randomly generated by templates or is there some kind of a template database? Is there a way for you to make those templates moddable? Even in the code as an additional file, I can code a bit. I simply enjoy modding and it would be fun to allow us to make and share creature designs and plant descriptions, it would allow the world to grow faster and to make it more interesting for others.
Post by: Neonivek on October 19, 2009, 07:04:51 am
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Too bad there's no really good game like that
magellan: "I am overwhelmed by the feeling which shall now forevermore be refered to as the emotion of feeling sadness for I have failed in the mission which is my life mission to create a really good game like that"
Post by: Deon on October 19, 2009, 07:42:14 am
Also, how do I get rid of a quarantine? :)
Post by: magellan on October 19, 2009, 08:44:32 am
Also, I was drunk, and she said she was 18.
And my dog ate it.
Besides that:
1) Visit the sickbay in a space station
2) Run around through space and hope that your doctor finds a cure (automatic)
3) land on a planet and use a disease kit by pressing (h)eal
And if all of the above fail: tell me and wait for a bugfix :/
The critters simply get mashed up out of different body parts, so not really templates there.
As you have propably noticed: It's work in progress. Everybody who gets it isn't playing it, he's playtesting it :)
You are of course allowed to have fun while playtesting. ;)
Thanks Deon, glad you like it so far :)
Post by: Deon on October 19, 2009, 09:25:29 am
Ideas:
* the talking part - you probably should buy some kind of voice transformer and scan a creature with another device, and only after that you should be able to communicate with a creature (if it's intelligent of course) and get some more info about creatures (it would be great if creatures had a "random" (like random creatures) personality you could find out: like, lives in packs/alone; forms family pairs/triples or lives in a pride; matriarchal/patriarchal/equal society etc.). There's a lot of space for development and improvement.
* random names for your crew. While they are of course an expendable material, it would give some character and desired flavor. Also random generated short biographies (23 y.o., was born on a planet ***, is sociopatic etc.) and random phrases they shout when you see something (what a beautiful gold nugget; look out, an alien!; I am dying... etc.) would be great :).
I am happy to contribute ideas and I hope you have enough enthusiasm to delve deeper and make this awesome game even cooler.
P.S. I loved the Arrakis reference. I probably shouldn't try to wrestle giant worms again though ::).
Post by: a1s on October 19, 2009, 02:50:50 pm
Medpack II's description is repeated twice.
Post by: magellan on October 19, 2009, 03:26:43 pm
Thanks for pointing that out a1s!
Glad i can blame you guys for rushing me .... ;D
Any problems so far getting rid of diseases in 0.1.8a?
Post by: Shoku on October 19, 2009, 03:41:51 pm
It would take a lot of new code to include that sort of interaction with planet units but if you did a dialogue box that was a mix of the trade and recruitment menus (including some sort of risk like a local battleship demanding to search your ship after your hasty departure,) it would be pretty doable. And if prostitutes are too touchy you could make it gender neutral and just frame it as slave trade.
Post by: niltrias on October 19, 2009, 08:24:59 pm
-> Since you can now dock with ships and walk around, why not do the same with spacestations? Docking with a space station and walking around would be a lot more immersive than a list of options, as long as it was small and easy to find things. During a quarentine, you would not be able to acess the station but would instead have a limited dropdown list.
->Jumppacks are a bit buggy. I have bought 4 fuel packs for them, but my fuel total is not increasing past 50. Also, every time I land on a planet, it beeps at me three times and lags me to tell me that my pack fuel is low, despite having my max...50.
->adding factions would be neat. As in, each of the mega-corps being its own faction, and the more missions you complete for a faction, the more they like you. If you raise a corps respect level enough, you might get "black ops" in which you are sent out to sabatoge other corps ships, research stations, etc.
-> No problems getting rid of disease for me thus far.
Edit a couple more things -- If there is a discovered landing pad on a planet, it would be kinda cool to have the option to land there.
-- For some reason, pirates do not seem to be hostile to me even though I am not a pirate. Bug or feature?
-- It would be nice to control how many security join the away team.
Post by: Rakonas on October 19, 2009, 09:47:49 pm
A suggestion -I disagree, honestly. While it would be a bit more immersive, it would be pretty massively tedious after the first time. The pirate bases are already like this, and imo it's mainly just time consuming trying to find each shop, in such a way that it detracts from the game. Additionally, if the space station was built in such a way that you could easily find each shop, then would it really be that immersive anyway?
-> Since you can now dock with ships and walk around, why not do the same with spacestations? Docking with a space station and walking around would be a lot more immersive than a list of options, as long as it was small and easy to find things. During a quarentine, you would not be able to acess the station but would instead have a limited dropdown list.
Post by: Sowelu on October 19, 2009, 09:58:40 pm
Post by: BishopX on October 19, 2009, 11:18:25 pm
Also, perhaps certain unique planets should have certain environmental variables hard coded. Old places probably shouldn't have lots and lots of lava, planets with interesting plant life probably should have some rotation...
Post by: niltrias on October 20, 2009, 01:40:21 am
Post by: magellan on October 20, 2009, 02:37:54 am
Sure, walking around on space stations would allow you to do more stuff (Like starting a massacre at the bar)
But it might get tedious fast for the standard things.
One option would of course be to add a "Explore station" entry to the menu, that lets you stroll around if you want to.
Long term goals:
erm...having less bugs?
All in all this thing has outgrown it's initial "I am bored. Lets see if i can make a roguelike"-conception quite a bit.
a chatbot with (sensible) dialogs for aliens would be very cool
I'd very much like it to be a game where you can choose your on pace in a sandboxy kinda way, if that makes sense.
Post by: niltrias on October 20, 2009, 03:45:52 am
err...Lose a hobby!
;)
Post by: Deon on October 20, 2009, 07:09:24 am
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One option would of course be to add a "Explore station" entry to the menu, that lets you stroll around if you want to.A good idea, I thought about the same.
More suggestions on a long run:
1) Flash grenades. Thrown/propelled from a grenade launcher like usual grenades, no damage, but they light the unknown/known area for a turn once they explode. It would make those deadly mines with deadly robots and planets with changing terrain to be more manageable.
2) Varied sizes for planets. Currently each planet have a "map" (and some areas accessible via shafts/entrances). Make bigger planets to have random number of "biomes", every biome as a planet map. So you'd be able to choose on which biome to land (i.e. an all-water planet with icy north pole and rocky south pole = 3 biomes). It would add alot to an exploration factor.
I forgot to tell how I love meteors. We need more things like this. I.e. volcano eruptions, caveins and randomly appearing caves during an earthquake.
Post by: Volatar on October 20, 2009, 07:24:57 am
I forgot to tell how I love meteors. We need more things like this. I.e. volcano eruptions, caveins and randomly appearing caves during an earthquake.
Heck yeah! Those would be awesome 8)
Post by: Evaristo Carriego on October 20, 2009, 09:33:32 am
(...)
I forgot to tell how I love meteors. We need more things like this. I.e. volcano eruptions, caveins and randomly appearing caves during an earthquake.
That already happens... sort of. In lava planets random tiles might turn into lava from time to time; my ship have been trapped into "lava islands" this way a couple of times.
Post by: Deon on October 20, 2009, 10:42:31 am
Post by: Drakale on October 20, 2009, 12:34:16 pm
Just a small gripe, I'd like to be better able to choose my fights as a pirate. I can understand getting killed by pirate hunters if I get too close to stations, but the biggest offenders is the crazy merchant escorts that can ruin your day at any moment. It seem that right now the only way to play a pirate is to start as a good old explorer, get some money and THEN turn to piratery. It would be more fun starting with low scale arsons and smuggling, and move up to merchant hunting once you got some decent weapons and shields. Maybe pirates should start with some form of limited cloaking technology to possibly avoid fights they cannot win?
Post by: magellan on October 20, 2009, 01:06:14 pm
I considered having pirates start with a cruiser, and maybe even 1000 CR so they can get shields and/or some weapons first.
I've been wondering if that would be too much.
Post by: Deon on October 20, 2009, 01:33:35 pm
:)
Also may I suggest to make acid a bit more different from green moss/grass. I often jump into it by occasion. Maybe make it more yellowish or totally change the color?
Post by: a1s on October 20, 2009, 01:36:18 pm
1.W doesn't seem to work right... last time it displayed a message about a 4-legged robot climbing out of a sensor (or something).
2.I started as a pirate, and decided to fly around the universe first, before landing on the pirate base. I came upon a ship that ran out of fuel (these are common enough) and sold them some fuel, after which went back to the pirate planet (hoping to purchase better equipment and restock on fuel). Instead I was gunned down by pirates (the planet-walking kind, with guns) and upon death discovered that my mission type was in fact "explorer" (not pirate).
Post by: magellan on October 20, 2009, 01:58:24 pm
Oh boy... look at that ... ok, they *are* too fast to pull the guns!
Will fix
right! need to tell item chose menu to say something if there is only one item! Will do, thanks for the reminder.
As for the flash grenades: kinda sorta yes. not sure how to do it, but definitely on the "would be neat" side
Post by: Gabeux on October 20, 2009, 02:06:31 pm
hahah just kidding...............
have you?
Post by: magellan on October 20, 2009, 02:16:35 pm
All is in place
Where do we put the colonists? tow them in specially designed habitat modules
What will you get if you put them down on a planet? a little yellow # that does the same thing as the other town halls do
Not yet in place is a system to let them grow and decline, and produce and need according to planet they are on.
So, not all is in place but a fair bit.
:)
Post by: Neonivek on October 20, 2009, 02:19:40 pm
2.I started as a pirate, and decided to fly around the universe first, before landing on the pirate base. I came upon a ship that ran out of fuel (these are common enough) and sold them some fuel, after which went back to the pirate planet (hoping to purchase better equipment and restock on fuel). Instead I was gunned down by pirates (the planet-walking kind, with guns) and upon death discovered that my mission type was in fact "explorer" (not pirate).
No bug. Obviously the game is populated by cartoonishly evil pirates. Your act of kindness of gouging people at the pump was enough for them to consider you an entity of good. If you stole candy from babies a few times before going back, maybe they would have let you back in.
Post by: Gabeux on October 20, 2009, 02:32:08 pm
Where's the download page again? [edit: oh duh, ty. I'm sleepy ._.]
Post by: magellan on October 20, 2009, 03:00:50 pm
Download page, see Sig :)
And yes: They do get grouchy if you help the enemy! They just weren't supposed to get that grouchy that fast ...
Post by: BishopX on October 20, 2009, 03:32:45 pm
Post by: BishopX on October 20, 2009, 03:59:53 pm
Vacuum not vakuum
It's spelled hallucinogenic.
Also, the description:
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this once was a human being. It's arms, legs and head are encased in crystal tubes, fused to bare flesh. The torso is still bare. You can see the torn uniform of scout ship security team member.
Should be changed to "This was once a human being. Its arms, legs and head are encased in crystal tubes, fused to bare flesh. The torso is still bare. You can see the torn uniform of scout ship security team member." Also, if the chest is bare how do you see the uniform?
And what does Tow do?
Post by: Neonivek on October 20, 2009, 04:03:05 pm
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if the chest is bare how do you see the uniform?
It is likely torn at the chest and hanging from his arms (or rather where his arms and chest meet)
Post by: magellan on October 20, 2009, 04:07:48 pm
Thanks BishopX
Tow: if you got a tractor beam and a drifting ship you can haul it around the map.
Ah well, lets spoiler this
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Post by: a1s on October 20, 2009, 04:09:21 pm
When you take over a ship, you retain your original systems even if the ship had better ones. This might have game balance reasons, but it might also be a bug...
Post by: magellan on October 20, 2009, 04:37:20 pm
You are right, it should transfer, yet it doesn't.
So maybe more an oversight than a bug.
Will fix.
Thx for pointing it out!
Post by: BishopX on October 20, 2009, 05:03:22 pm
Also,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And the sound bug is still around...space combat laser and wormhole sounds still loop.
Post by: niltrias on October 20, 2009, 11:12:24 pm
Also, a more important bug/feature (if it is a feature, I dont care much for it): station's personal equipment no longer appears to change. This can be quite frustrating when none of the three stations sells jumppacks...ever.
Post by: Deon on October 21, 2009, 06:24:20 am
But then when I move my crew it moves but the "@" sign remains where it were so I've got an image of multi-"@".
Save:
http://depositfiles.com/files/y945fhtkp
P.S> Also what do I do in such situation? Once I dock my crew takes their salary (I get -21) and I can't visit the company to sell a lot of info I've got because of the quarantine. I agree that I shouldn't be allowed to enter casino/trading center, but what about map data and mineral resources? Map data may be transferred via computer/resources may be purged because they're stone/metals.
Also I've got a disease kit but it seems to do nothing.
Sickbay tells me I have no sick crewmembers. What?
Post by: Neonivek on October 21, 2009, 07:00:58 am
Data needs to be transfered via Tape or Crystals. There is no wire or even wireless.
Though maybe they should tell you something like "You hand him the data crystal"
Post by: Deon on October 21, 2009, 07:11:30 am
P.S. Buildings on the same planet worked weird. When I walked in one it asked me to buy a different ship. I've bought a heavy explorer which costs 25000 cr. for 0 cr.! But then in another building they offered weapons/upgrades, I've selected to install another cannon instead of mine basic one, my basic one disappeared but new one didn't appear (probably because I had no credits) and it didn't say anything about me having no credits.
Post by: BishopX on October 21, 2009, 08:22:39 am
Edit: More bugs
Descriptive text from a human crystal hybrid found on a cruiser, indicates they are from a scout ship.
And
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: LASD on October 21, 2009, 02:34:50 pm
Found a typo too, trying to buy Engine MKI, the game tells me I arelady have it. Also "there's no data to be gained from a dead awayteam" was a message I got after finding a body.
Just died by crashing to an asteroid, desperate for credits.
Post by: Deon on October 21, 2009, 02:41:46 pm
Post by: BishopX on October 21, 2009, 03:25:28 pm
Post by: a1s on October 21, 2009, 03:45:45 pm
Away team corpses also appear on ships. also, blowing up the outer hull of a ship doesn't result in loss of atmosphere.a)maybe they are corpses of away teams from previous prospector ships?
b)How do you blow up the outer hull? I thought it was to tough to damage?
bug: on planets with no atmosphere you can open your helmet. this doesn't stop the oxygen use, but does slow it down more than twofold...
someone keeps stealing my mining robots! that has got to be a feature. is it?
Post by: Deon on October 21, 2009, 03:52:49 pm
So I've started to work on it. I don't question the author's artistic talents, I just want to make things to look "easier" for an eye.
Default:
(http://i36.tinypic.com/oh25g8.jpg)
Mine:
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2vux7uw.jpg)
I was especially sad about mountains, they looked like white waves.
Am I moving in a right direction?
Also, original station/blue ball/ship/away team:
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2h6alc3.jpg)
And mine:
(http://i34.tinypic.com/xomz41.jpg)
I am not happy about away team yet but I want to make it noticeable so you don't lose it when you land.
Post by: BishopX on October 21, 2009, 05:09:22 pm
Post by: Rakonas on October 21, 2009, 06:06:00 pm
What's wrong with awayteam message?I don't understand how the awayteam always has absolutely no data regarding its explorations since last leaving the station.
Post by: Deon on October 22, 2009, 12:36:22 am
But it would be fun to be able to get some data from them.
Post by: LASD on October 22, 2009, 01:50:48 am
What's wrong with awayteam message?Well, this was just a corpse I found in a random planet. Also, I though awayteam was the name of a variable or somesuch that was accidentally left there, but I gather one can actually send something called awayteam on a planet and die there. (Or I'm just a confused new player)
Post by: 131 on October 22, 2009, 06:55:38 am
Post by: Deon on October 22, 2009, 07:41:21 am
Post by: Neonivek on October 22, 2009, 07:53:14 am
Unfortunately I don't think there is a way around it beyond only going on lifeless planets.
Post by: Deon on October 22, 2009, 08:06:36 am
Post by: BishopX on October 22, 2009, 09:18:50 am
Post by: magellan on October 22, 2009, 02:29:45 pm
I am looking forward to put in a good solid debugging weekend (well, as much as one could look forward to these things)
Those tiles look great Deon! ... wanna draw some more?
I got a week off next week so i was wondering how much work it would be to change the resolution .... (a whole lot, because i never thought i would want to do that) You'd get credit and all :)
Anyway:
http://rlprospector.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/
Up there you would find, if you had time and wanted to and stuff, tiles.bas, a more or less current list of all the tiles the game uses.
You busy now? good :)
Post by: a1s on October 22, 2009, 02:51:44 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: BishopX on October 22, 2009, 04:38:07 pm
Post by: niltrias on October 22, 2009, 09:14:19 pm
Also, as has been mentioned before, jetpacks seem to be the best mining tool ATM. Shouldnt it be...ah...drills?
Post by: a1s on October 23, 2009, 03:27:13 pm
bugs:
1. I'm pretty sure I looted a sensor from a drifting ship, however the system that actually improved was the engine...
2. at one point the sickbay shop was selling 2 separate basic infirmaries (and a [normal] infirmary as well, which isn't part of the bug, but still ironic)
3. jet packs will display a low fuel message at 50 fuel units and a very low fuel message at 49.
Post by: Ampersand on October 23, 2009, 07:53:50 pm
(http://i33.tinypic.com/dqomc9.jpg)
I touch down on this planet, and the science officer immediately remarks: WTF?
I move around a bit, and the landscape around my continuously and bizarrely shifts through random tiles, the science officer continuously WTFing with every step, until moments later, I am killed while trying to get back to my ship, which has transformed into a completely different tile now, by some kind of flying worm.
Post by: Mondark on October 23, 2009, 08:14:32 pm
Okay, wow. I found a pretty massive bug, and I have no idea what to make of it. Sorry for the lossy compression on the picture.
I touch down on this planet, and the science officer immediately remarks: WTF?
I move around a bit, and the landscape around my continuously and bizarrely shifts through random tiles, the science officer continuously WTFing with every step, until moments later, I am killed while trying to get back to my ship, which has transformed into a completely different tile now, by some kind of flying worm.
....
maybe it's not a bug....
Even if it is, you gotta admit it's pretty awesome. Reminds me of the way nethack simulates hallucination.
Post by: BishopX on October 23, 2009, 08:20:34 pm
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Post by: niltrias on October 23, 2009, 09:07:43 pm
how does one use jet packs for mining?
Im talking about accessing mountain-top minerals. You need a jetpack to do this, and I see more of them than I do of minerals that need to be dug out.
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Post by: Ampersand on October 23, 2009, 10:31:39 pm
It's not a bug, although a spelling of the description is...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
*smacks forehead*
And here I was thinking I found a world that just caused buffer overflow.
Post by: magellan on October 24, 2009, 03:04:39 am
Almost everybody who lands there seems to think it's a bug at first...
Post by: Sowelu on October 24, 2009, 03:15:04 am
Guess that one really should get some flavor text upon landing, and maybe even scanning.
Almost everybody who lands there seems to think it's a bug at first...
It's the garbage symbols. Look at how Nethack does it...the messages are weird, not garbage. Like, you sense that your god feels mellow, or you see hand-puppets or carnivorous christmas trees or whatever. If your science officer spoke in random Pink Floyd lyrics, it would get the point across.
Post by: Neonivek on October 24, 2009, 10:55:21 am
There needs to be more Rhyme and reason in them... not "Hey this sword is now a potion and this potion is now a statue"
All Nethack and others do is randomise what other objects appear as... and apperantly set it so Barney the Dinosaur has a higher chance if appearing. (Personally I would have went for Harvey the Rabit)
Look at what games like Eternal Darkness does when your character starts halucinating. Yes some of it is very random but for the most part it makes sense. You find rooms full of ammo (Your otherwise starved), statues start watching you, or your eyeballs are being swarmed by flies. Heck one of my favorites is when trying to leave a room you end up right back where you started.
Post by: Megaman on October 24, 2009, 11:53:34 am
Post by: Neonivek on October 24, 2009, 12:06:24 pm
hey any tips on pirate runs? I try to get the best gunner and pilot possible but even with that I get owned by the merchants THEMSELVES.
This makes total sense to me and probably shouldn't change soo much (afterall Merchant Carrivans were almost unbeatable historically)
What should happen though is that other methods of piracy should be possible.
Post by: Volatar on October 24, 2009, 04:59:38 pm
What should happen though is that other methods of piracy should be possible.
ie: having the ability to hire some more pirate ships to help you.
Post by: Neonivek on October 24, 2009, 05:26:04 pm
What should happen though is that other methods of piracy should be possible.
ie: having the ability to hire some more pirate ships to help you.
-Stealing from uncivilised planets
-Robbing stations on foot
-Ambushing explorers
-Blackmail, Extortion
-Stealing Candy from Babies
-Petty Crime (we have a BAR people!) such as stealing from individuals in stations.
-Joining other pirates on their raids
-Doomsday plots
Post by: jellyman on October 25, 2009, 06:15:00 am
Then I died in the Apollo encounter.....
Post by: Megaman on October 25, 2009, 11:06:05 am
Then I died in the Apollo encounter.....Also, I asked for TIPS on pirate runs, GIVE ME SOME TIPS *skulks*
Always scan the planet fist, usually if there's a special text there's a chance appolo or another undesireable encouter will await you, stock up on dem weponz then come back.
Post by: Ampersand on October 26, 2009, 10:40:25 am
Post by: Drakale on October 26, 2009, 12:24:38 pm
If I may make a suggestion, in the next release, severely reduce the rate at which corrosive forces degrade away your armor and weapons. It's getting rediculously expensive to reequip my forces when everything evaporates on the first planet I land on.
Seconded.
I suggest they only get damaged instead of destroyed and can be fixed by the ship engineer or at a station. There is no engineer at the moment, so the science officer might be able to do it, or just repair them automatically at the spaceship after some amount of time.
For pirate run, my only tip is to NOT start as a pirate and become one later once you have some decent equipment. If you start out as a pirate, its pretty much hard mode. Your only chance is to luck out on a nice spaceship and even then you will hardly make any money from bounty and seized cargo... I had a battleship once, and got destroyed by a merchant escort heh.
Post by: magellan on October 26, 2009, 01:06:07 pm
On an unrelated note:
I fooled around a bit with making the crew a little less faceless, and the first step is of course giving them names. So i made a little name generater that adds a random first and last name, and ... well... i added some "funny" names to the list.
...
This is what happened:
(http://i34.tinypic.com/2diqfed.jpg)
It made me smile a little, maybe it makes other people smile too. :)
Post by: BishopX on October 26, 2009, 01:23:05 pm
On an unrelated note I think the satellite disappearing bug is related to other away teams.
Post by: Ampersand on October 26, 2009, 02:09:05 pm
Post by: magellan on October 26, 2009, 02:13:30 pm
Ah well... :)
And yes it shows diseases
And yes, those are armor, guns, melee weapons
And I just implemented 14 of the 25 Talents they can get. :)
Post by: Servant Corps on October 26, 2009, 02:20:52 pm
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on October 26, 2009, 02:23:02 pm
So i am the only one who thinks a pilot named George Takei is funny?
Ah well... :)
I thought it was hilarious, but I also recognized the name instantly. I don't even like TOS!
Will this also give names to all the redshirts?
Post by: magellan on October 26, 2009, 02:27:42 pm
...
Except for the neodogs.
Post by: Ampersand on October 26, 2009, 02:30:42 pm
Post by: BishopX on October 26, 2009, 04:09:18 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 26, 2009, 04:10:41 pm
Post by: jellyman on October 26, 2009, 04:21:57 pm
And to try and take off I tried telling the ship to come and get me and it did, which seems a bit of a bug. Then I tried again very close to the ship to see if I could move the ship to a spot I might be able to take off from, and as I was very close, it said estimated time was 0 and the ship never came back which seems to be another bug.
Also a suggestion on the learning curve, perhaps if you visit the industry place (where you get credits for exploration etc), and if you haven't yet earned any credits they will give you a few instructions along the line of 'go land on some planets, explore them find some minerals and investigate the local plants and any corpses you shoot, then come back for your reward'. Perhaps also have a list of tips that you can hear if you buy a drink at the casino.
Post by: magellan on October 26, 2009, 04:38:11 pm
Personally i think asking for a captains name *and* a ships name before the game even starts is too much (or maybe that's just me, because i hate making up names) Maybe a option to have a predefined captains name list, like you can already do with the ships names?
At this point in time there is exactly one NPC who might join your crew that has a name. (Right! must name that gunner! Thanks for reminding me!) And he keeps it.
The radioing ship on stuck planet thingy
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The ETA 0 thing is new, gotta look into that. thanks.
Documentation (in and out of game) has been *ahem* lagging slightly... those would be 2 good places to add a little info for the beginning player! Thanks for pointing those out!
Post by: Volatar on October 26, 2009, 04:39:19 pm
So i am the only one who thinks a pilot named George Takei is funny?
Ah well... :)
And yes it shows diseases
And yes, those are armor, guns, melee weapons
And I just implemented 14 of the 25 Talents they can get. :)
When can I play with those improvements man! :o
Post by: magellan on October 26, 2009, 05:07:34 pm
I am aiming for thursday atm.
Post by: LegoLord on October 26, 2009, 05:27:59 pm
Breaking stuff, getting lost, that sort of thing?
(that first part is serious)
Post by: magellan on October 26, 2009, 05:35:42 pm
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Post by: BishopX on October 26, 2009, 10:34:19 pm
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Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 26, 2009, 10:49:42 pm
Post by: Micro102 on October 26, 2009, 11:02:38 pm
Post by: Micro102 on October 26, 2009, 11:25:24 pm
Anyway, for a bug fix, try making it so aliens cant attack you if you launch. i pressed l for launch, and died because an alien delivered the final blow. If i'm inside the ship why s it able to attack me?
Post by: BishopX on October 27, 2009, 01:25:42 pm
Post by: magellan on October 27, 2009, 02:08:29 pm
Erm, how do you mean that exactly? you found a stranded transport in the pyramid? or you went into the pyramid and got into a stranded transport instead (there is an idea...) You got the message that you just entered a troopship, though it still looked like a pyramid? none of the above, all of the above, or answer e? ???
Post by: Shoku on October 27, 2009, 02:09:45 pm
So i am the only one who thinks a pilot named George Takei is funny?Oh I bet he's a fabulous pilot.
Ah well... :)
And yes it shows diseases
And yes, those are armor, guns, melee weapons
And I just implemented 14 of the 25 Talents they can get. :)
This would be the list as of now. Those with * are those i already implemented.If you haven't done this you'll want to make sure that the merchant one does not grant the sell bonus at the same station you purchased things at, otherwise I could win in 0 turns~Spoiler (click to show/hide)
nvm, figured out that i can sell it to companies.If it's that close then you could say they're chasing you through the door as you weren't able to close it fast enough.
Anyway, for a bug fix, try making it so aliens cant attack you if you launch. i pressed l for launch, and died because an alien delivered the final blow. If i'm inside the ship why s it able to attack me?
This sort of requires the stretch that you're taking off as soon as you can close the door and you just stand at the door until then but :/
Post by: magellan on October 27, 2009, 02:59:17 pm
Thanks for pointing out the merchant skill thing! I totally didn't think of that! (oops)
Post by: Ampersand on October 27, 2009, 03:16:13 pm
Post by: Micro102 on October 27, 2009, 03:50:23 pm
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If it's that close then you could say they're chasing you through the door as you weren't able to close it fast enough.
This sort of requires the stretch that you're taking off as soon as you can close the door and you just stand at the door until then but :/
Thats what i tried to imagine at first, but they also automatically refill their oxygen, whcih still means they are on the sip but whatever i didn't excatly do well considering my captian was one hit away from death.
Also, how do you enter pyramids and huts?
Also, what do those knives do? Do they automatically fight, only fight when they ar enext to the thing, count towards the damage you do with the gun? Do you have to use the "f" button to shoot, can you or will you automatically melee?
Post by: magellan on October 27, 2009, 04:09:24 pm
There are 2 kinds of pyramids: those that ask "do you want to enter (y/n)" and those that don't. Huts you can't enter.
Weapons: They autoequip. Guns go top down, melee weapons bottom up, so that your captain will have the best gun, and the weakest close combat weapon, and the last redshirt will have the weakest gun and the best melee weapon.
If you use (f) they fire the guns, no melee weapons added.
If you bump into a monster they will fire the guns if they are better than the melee weapons they have and vice versa (for each member)
if you (f)ire while standing next to a monster the same thing will happen as when you bump into it.
hope that clears things up.
A speed talent ... yes, we do need that!
Post by: Micro102 on October 27, 2009, 04:39:49 pm
Post by: magellan on October 27, 2009, 04:43:46 pm
Post by: Micro102 on October 27, 2009, 05:43:11 pm
Post by: BishopX on October 27, 2009, 07:46:18 pm
Post by: a1s on October 28, 2009, 02:26:50 pm
If you haven't done this you'll want to make sure that the merchant one does not grant the sell bonus at the same station you purchased things at, otherwise I could win in 0 turns~I would suggest going further. Implement a ,say, 10% difference between buy prices and sell prices. half (5%) with the talent. Merchant is one of the easiest way to get initial capital in this game (10-20k in 10 minutes, easy), this should make that harder.
Also
Spoiler: sociopath protip to would be merchants (click to show/hide)
Post by: Shoku on October 29, 2009, 08:33:33 am
Oh I started letting that happen on hostile planets almost right after I started playing this.If you haven't done this you'll want to make sure that the merchant one does not grant the sell bonus at the same station you purchased things at, otherwise I could win in 0 turns~I would suggest going further. Implement a ,say, 10% difference between buy prices and sell prices. half (5%) with the talent. Merchant is one of the easiest way to get initial capital in this game (10-20k in 10 minutes, easy), this should make that harder.
AlsoSpoiler: sociopath protip to would be merchants (click to show/hide)
Post by: Micro102 on October 29, 2009, 03:58:07 pm
Post by: magellan on October 29, 2009, 04:37:02 pm
*adds the line "To use drop them on a planets surface and collect them later" to the rovers description.* ;)
also:
It's not much, but that one is actually in there:
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/wiki/FAQ?tm=6
Post by: puke on October 29, 2009, 07:49:26 pm
Post by: niltrias on October 29, 2009, 09:46:16 pm
Post by: magellan on October 30, 2009, 05:31:54 am
Looks like it's going to be weekend/mondayish ...
Post by: puke on October 30, 2009, 01:39:19 pm
a)maybe they are corpses of away teams from previous prospector ships?
oh my god, this game needs bones files!
Post by: a1s on October 30, 2009, 02:18:50 pm
just started playing. looks neat, but 0=on and 1=off? really? really? must be a little joke.err... what?
Post by: magellan on October 30, 2009, 03:25:29 pm
Also this: http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1400/fv01378.htm :)
Anyway: Since i rewrote the leveling stuff, i have not yet managed to get a crewmember to level... some playtesting is required. Any volunteers in here? If yes, gimme an email adress.
Post by: Micro102 on October 30, 2009, 05:07:54 pm
Anyway the unblocker seems to be when you have gold in your inventory and go, Shift+W, highlight gold, enter.
keep improving this game please. Try adding the ability to make spacestations and equip them with crew and turrets and stuff and build buildings on the surface of planets and have random events.
Post by: a1s on October 30, 2009, 05:20:31 pm
Post by: magellan on October 30, 2009, 05:45:14 pm
With talents and stuff...thats when i rewrote it
(or since abcde so far meant save games are compatible, and they are not between 0.1.8a and 0.1.8b we should name this 0.1.9? ... hummmh)
And of course the colonizing stuff must be addes sooner or later. All that is standing in the way right now is a decent system for Supply/demand Growth/decline of colonies ... but i think i might want to concentrate on debugging for a while now. 0.1.8a had some bad ones...
Post by: Micro102 on October 30, 2009, 05:47:35 pm
1) i also only ever saw them level up when i pressed enter on gold. It only happened twice and i could of been mistaken, but to have it not happen every other single time i've visited a space station?
2) he said he couldn't get his guys to level up, if he played for a long amount of time it makes it seem as if this gold thing really works.
Post by: magellan on October 30, 2009, 05:53:04 pm
He being me?
As i said: since i rewrote it. No one has played it (besides maybe ampersand if he already checked his email) besides me since i rewrote it :)
Post by: Micro102 on October 30, 2009, 06:23:38 pm
what did you mean by away teams aligning with the loot?
Post by: magellan on October 30, 2009, 06:31:22 pm
That's why i asked for volunteers. :)
Suddenly, for no (at first) apparent reason the dead awayteams where lying in one square, and their stuff somewhere entirely different... bughunting can be great fun :)
Post by: puke on October 30, 2009, 07:39:06 pm
i've found refueling platforms in almost every game, but am having trouble figuring out what to do there (besides refuel from the O's). Ive tried:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
are those buildings just inaccessable? do i need to find something somewhere else in the game to get through? do i need to level my science officer more?
also, whats up with the ASCS? it's not hard to find them floating in space waiting to be boarded (find them in almost every game) but can you activate them and board them? They have their own entery in the ships.csv, including text that suggests they can be taken over. but so far the only thing i've been able to do is:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
also, is there any way to sell stuff you dont need anymore? i often find myself with piles of obsolete weapons and equipment, that my away team carries but does not eqiup.
last thing i can think of at the moment, i've had problems with away tems not equipping jetpacks, even when i have enough for everyone. this does not happen all the time, but when it does happen in a game, it seems to be consistant. similarly, i dont notice any particular benefit from headlamps. are they not being used?
Post by: Ampersand on October 30, 2009, 07:40:15 pm
error #2 in 404 ADDMEMBER C:/Prospector/src/ProsIO.bas
So, I'm going to need a full zip.
Post by: Little on October 31, 2009, 12:54:51 am
Also, is it possible to board ship?
Post by: Ampersand on October 31, 2009, 12:57:09 am
Post by: thobal on October 31, 2009, 04:22:53 am
Post by: magellan on October 31, 2009, 06:12:11 am
Right now, you have come to the right place. This propably is the best place to ask questions.
Of course 60+ pages of thread aren't exactly convenient.
A own forum for prospector ... of course the main problem is my ability to spend exactly 0€ for something like that. And the main question would be how active such a forum would be. ... anybody knows of decent free forum hosting sites?
When i started working on this i made this : http://prospectorroguelike.blogspot.com/ and never bothered to post anything there (until now) Would that help/be more convenient?
Anyway:
the doors: there is actually a bug. you need to save and load the game again for them to really be open after you get the "your sciene officer opens the doors" message. If you don't get that message: 4 & 5s (and 6s) are more in the area of opening ancient alien doors.
The ASCS: you need to find one that has been stored a little more shielded than drifting through space for thousands of years :)
Looping sounds: put weap_3 (or was it 4 or 5?).wav and wormhole.wav into a sound editor and cut off the end, and they won't loop anymore.
Post by: getter77 on October 31, 2009, 08:27:50 am
We do welcome everybody in regards to the entire lot of it afterall---also there are some general plans to expand the utility value and activities as a whole...
Post by: Micro102 on October 31, 2009, 08:09:49 pm
Post by: Micro102 on October 31, 2009, 08:26:11 pm
was the planet with highly hallucinogenic plant life not suppose to be a unique planet? Because it said i didint find any.
EDIT: PLZ TELL ME HOW TO SAVE! I found thousands of dollars of materials on 2 rouge planets and a very nice ship with very nice armor and weapons but i know i gonna lose it in some freak accident. Tell me how to save scum like in DF. Is it exactly the same way?
Post by: Sowelu on October 31, 2009, 08:56:54 pm
Post by: niltrias on October 31, 2009, 09:00:36 pm
I think this game has gotten enough of a following to warrant its own forum. what you guys think?
Post by: Micro102 on October 31, 2009, 09:13:29 pm
Post by: niltrias on October 31, 2009, 09:28:32 pm
Post by: Micro102 on October 31, 2009, 11:20:32 pm
Also please make it an open forum, no password needed. Im too lazy to go through the whole registartion thing and will keep postig on this thread.
(how do you tell what your current engine and sensors re, hard to buy good equipment for your ship)
Post by: Sowelu on October 31, 2009, 11:35:19 pm
Also please make it an open forum, no password needed. Im too lazy to go through the whole registartion thing and will keep postig on this thread.
That's so nice of you. Forums with no passwords needed get full of spam even worse than most places.
Post by: Micro102 on November 01, 2009, 12:10:16 am
Post by: magellan on November 01, 2009, 12:33:50 am
Hmm... can you set this freeforum thingy to allow anonymous posts with captcha? In any case thanks a lot for the effort Niltrias. Best send the password to me i guess.
Post by: niltrias on November 01, 2009, 06:20:36 am
Post by: a1s on November 01, 2009, 01:03:09 pm
Also please make it an open forum, no password needed.I would like to pose that reuqest. I always like to talk to someone with a name (and an avatar) rather than guest#1337.1415926 ;D
Post by: Neonivek on November 01, 2009, 01:09:58 pm
Post by: Micro102 on November 01, 2009, 02:06:21 pm
I was save scumming over and over due to constant dieing (even with my 7 people with forcefields and super equipment), but i save scummed once during a lag spike i had. This lag spike copied the savefolder, but also copied a "tiles" program. Ever since i duplicated the tiles folder the game has lost contrast. The colors went dull and green has become blueish and reddish.
I tried both removing the tiles program, and placing it in the data folder. How do i ge tth ebright colors back?
Post by: magellan on November 01, 2009, 02:48:54 pm
It should look like this:
(http://i35.tinypic.com/rw01f7.jpg)
If it doesn't you could actually just copy that one above into the data folder.
Also: 7 folks is tiny. They will die. You can start to feel reasonably save when you got around 15-30 meatshields
Post by: Micro102 on November 01, 2009, 03:34:06 pm
Post by: magellan on November 01, 2009, 03:45:32 pm
But the ascii mode uses the same colors as the tiles, and it gets them from that file. If it doesn't find that file, it won't do anything out of the ordinary, but use default colors wich will be wrong.
Post by: Neonivek on November 01, 2009, 03:47:47 pm
So if there is a lake beside land there would be a shore.
Yes it would expand the number of tiles you use many fold but it would go a long way to making your game look MUCH better
Post by: Micro102 on November 01, 2009, 05:33:05 pm
Post by: magellan on November 01, 2009, 05:40:59 pm
@Neonivek
Another area where there is a lot of room for improvement. Them being complete and/or actually identifiable (and larger) for starters :)
Post by: Neonivek on November 01, 2009, 05:55:10 pm
Post by: magellan on November 01, 2009, 06:20:18 pm
Post by: Little on November 01, 2009, 06:30:31 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 01, 2009, 06:40:37 pm
Wow! A very generous offer. Of course the task is daunting: A quick grep revealed that there are at this moment 1459 print commands in the prospector source code. And i'd have to adjust most of them.
I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.
I said Try because I doubt my talents.
Post by: magellan on November 01, 2009, 06:52:03 pm
@neonivek
I drew those few little ugly ones. And it's a helluva alot of work! No sarcasm in the slightest!
Post by: Neonivek on November 01, 2009, 07:04:17 pm
-As well as some sort of list of things that need or could use it.
I am best at objects and weakest at living beings.
Post by: niltrias on November 01, 2009, 09:19:30 pm
Post by: Ampersand on November 01, 2009, 10:38:02 pm
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Post by: Micro102 on November 01, 2009, 11:34:06 pm
yup, Data folder.
@Neonivek
Another area where there is a lot of room for improvement. Them being complete and/or actually identifiable (and larger) for starters :)
i put it in the data folder, but i don't remember seeing it there before and it didn't do anything.
Also i don't think there is a way to take over enemy ships, but you can find ships just laying in space and if you go on them and kill everyone, you can take it. I got a nice ship and could of had a destroyer if i didint have an extremly valuable mount of cargo with me.
And then there are crashed ships on planets.
Post by: Ampersand on November 02, 2009, 12:23:17 am
Post by: Little on November 02, 2009, 12:35:30 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on November 02, 2009, 01:05:47 am
"The middle of a dangerous gas cloud in the middle of pirate territory?"
"YES."
And then we see the businessman is a dwarf.
Post by: Sowelu on November 02, 2009, 02:35:54 am
"Captain, stop the ship here. This is where we shall make our space station!"
"The middle of a dangerous gas cloud in the middle of pirate territory?"
"YES."
HERE! We build HERE!
Post by: niltrias on November 02, 2009, 08:21:27 am
"Captain, stop the ship here. This is where we shall make our space station!"
"The middle of a dangerous gas cloud in the middle of pirate territory?"
"YES."
HERE! We build HERE!
Gotta admit, it sounds...dwarfy
Post by: Micro102 on November 02, 2009, 08:26:29 am
As a pirate, how do you refuel, i went onto the pirate base i started at but couldn't move around or refuel. Or buy things.
Can i use spacestations as a pirate?
Post by: magellan on November 02, 2009, 08:38:59 am
And i made a mistake: tiles.bmp belongs into the same directory as prospector
And i put 0.1.8b out.
(among other things it now floodfills the space map to check if all space stations are accessible without crossing gas clouds, and makes new clouds if they are not)
Post by: BishopX on November 02, 2009, 10:33:59 am
A couple of things:
1) how do you examine crew members?
2) equipment seems buggy in this version, sometimes it displays less than your current weapons totals until you hit @ several times.
3) what do wages do?
4) I found a pirate base in the same tile as space station 1.
5) why oh why do scout ships have plasma guns now?
6) without a nav comp, how does the log book know star positions?
Post by: magellan on November 02, 2009, 10:43:03 am
1)A is the command to examine your Crew.
3)High wage makes crewmember happy
2)Huh? thats new...
6)That is a very good question....
Post by: Duke 2.0 on November 02, 2009, 10:53:06 am
Post by: Micro102 on November 02, 2009, 12:14:13 pm
Next to the landing pad is a row of buildings, one of them sells fuel.I dont know what you mean by directory, and when i landed on the pirate planet, there were shps that i was unable to pas son one side, and a sea of acid on the other...
And i made a mistake: tiles.bmp belongs into the same directory as prospector
And i put 0.1.8b out.
(among other things it now floodfills the space map to check if all space stations are accessible without crossing gas clouds, and makes new clouds if they are not)
Post by: a1s on November 02, 2009, 01:34:22 pm
Directory is geekspeak for "folder". as for your in game predicament- just lift off and reland (or, you know, don't play as a pirate, it's broken)Next to the landing pad is a row of buildings, one of them sells fuel.I dont know what you mean by directory, and when i landed on the pirate planet, there were shps that i was unable to pas son one side, and a sea of acid on the other...
And i made a mistake: tiles.bmp belongs into the same directory as prospector
And i put 0.1.8b out.
(among other things it now floodfills the space map to check if all space stations are accessible without crossing gas clouds, and makes new clouds if they are not)
Post by: Micro102 on November 02, 2009, 05:40:57 pm
if it goes in the same folder, i think it would of been very recognizable but i havent seen it.
Anyway i can't check because my garbage laptop broke (again).....Yay for 3 year warranty which forces them to fix it for the 3rd time already.
Post by: Ampersand on November 02, 2009, 07:23:40 pm
Edit: Pretty big bug. If you go to your away team menu 'A', while on a planet, all unexplored area will still have the menu on it when you exit out of it. Exploring the blank space reveals the correct tiles.
Post by: Ampersand on November 02, 2009, 11:00:12 pm
Spoiler: Super spoilerific (click to show/hide)
Also, another bug. Landed on a planet, and got a message indicating to contact magellen and give him the error log.
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Post by: Neonivek on November 02, 2009, 11:46:36 pm
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Response to Super SPoilerific expy ala doshious crazy mc peaterson pants crazy mania la la la blaw
Post by: BishopX on November 03, 2009, 08:43:00 am
Post by: Neonivek on November 04, 2009, 08:07:09 am
I just hired a gunner with the linguist talent (He was eaten by a sandworm).
Why does this sound sooo appropriate?
Post by: Mohreb el Yasim on November 04, 2009, 08:37:18 pm
Another small bug, I think.Spoiler: Super spoilerific (click to show/hide)
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Post by: magellan on November 05, 2009, 01:25:16 am
Post by: Paul on November 05, 2009, 02:32:46 am
I got this while trying to land on the pirate planet when you start as a pirate.
error #6 in 2774:EXPLOREPLANET C:/Prospector/src/prospector.bas
It's repeatable every time I try to land on the planet. I can send you the save file if you need it.
And when I try to save it gives me
error #6 in 326: C:/Prospector/src/prospector.bas
-edit- I just realised that second one was due to having the option to return to start screen after death. Turning it off stops the error.
Post by: magellan on November 05, 2009, 08:54:22 am
will both be fixed with the next release, wich might not be today, but propably tomorrow, or saturday at the latest.
Post by: Ampersand on November 05, 2009, 09:21:46 am
The squad menu can only be scrolled with number keys, or the number pad. My keyboard does not have a number pad. I use vi style controls, which for some reason does not work.
Because I use vi style controls, y is my Go North West button. This gets problematic when I'm trying to move quickly, and don't notice that I've just encountered an Anti-Pirate Patrol. Attack anyway? y/n.
If it isn't too much trouble, make the y in such menus a capital Y. I've killed myself at least five times due to this sort of thing.
Post by: BishopX on November 05, 2009, 12:59:16 pm
Post by: magellan on November 05, 2009, 02:55:12 pm
This guy is smart!
Thats a very good solution!
Ok, bugfix will be out tomorrow. I hope i will catch some more till then, and if i don't ah well...
Post by: Paul on November 06, 2009, 12:42:25 am
Also, is the level 3 engine supposed to only be 4 movement on a merchantman? I seem to remember having 5 movement on the scout with l3 engine, but I wasn't sure if the merchantman was just slower or if it was messing up.
Is there any way to sell things in the game? Like I wanted to sell my rocket launcher for a cargo bay thing so I try some trading, but even though the rocket launcher is worth 3000 I had to pay 500 for the cargo bay and the rocket launcher just got removed.
It's a fun little game with a certain appeal to it. I can see the potential :)
Post by: magellan on November 06, 2009, 12:51:03 am
And no, no selling except for some exceptions you need to find on planets.
The others i will have to look into :)
Post by: Tilla on November 06, 2009, 02:19:28 am
Post by: Ampersand on November 06, 2009, 05:41:39 am
Post by: Ampersand on November 06, 2009, 07:27:17 am
Post by: Neonivek on November 06, 2009, 08:21:38 am
New bug. Science officer died. Somehow, I'm still able to collect bio-data, presumably because the captain is Competent, or something. However, I'm getting negative amounts of it.
HEH!
Your Captain suffers from intellectual incompetence to the extent that the biodata he collects sets AstroXenoBioChemical physics back years!
Post by: Drakale on November 06, 2009, 09:43:54 am
Post by: magellan on November 06, 2009, 10:00:58 am
Another glitch I noticed - I bought the level 3 shield generator, but it still shows as only level 2 on the ship and only gives 2 shield points. Trying to buy level 3 again says I already have it.
Also, is the level 3 engine supposed to only be 4 movement on a merchantman? I seem to remember having 5 movement on the scout with l3 engine, but I wasn't sure if the merchantman was just slower or if it was messing up.
Is there any way to sell things in the game? Like I wanted to sell my rocket launcher for a cargo bay thing so I try some trading, but even though the rocket launcher is worth 3000 I had to pay 500 for the cargo bay and the rocket launcher just got removed.
It's a fun little game with a certain appeal to it. I can see the potential :)
Humm... couldn't reproduce the shield thing.
I have to ask: are you 100% certain you didnt mix up SP with Sc?
(if you didn't do you have a savegame?)
Post by: BishopX on November 06, 2009, 11:52:57 am
I guess adding a "damaged" indicator for ship parts would be nice (maybe change their color?).
Post by: Paul on November 06, 2009, 03:48:07 pm
The other posibilty is that your shield generator got damaged...did it stay at 2 AFTER you left the station? Damaged shields reset upon leaving the station.
I guess adding a "damaged" indicator for ship parts would be nice (maybe change their color?).
Ah, thats what it was. I had looked at my shield generator in the base (using @) and saw 2 and tried to buy a 3 but it said I already had one. Looking at it now I see a 3 there and its giving me 3 SP.
Sorry for the false report :) I should have paid more attention and checked it later, but I found it right near the end of when I was playing so didn't notice the change after leaving dock.
-edit- I bought jetpacks for my people. The fuel indicator for jetpacks is bugged - it tells you jetpack fuel low, jetpack fuel very low, etc - even when its full (25). It makes using jetpacks rather annoying, since the messages keep interupting movement and beeping.
Post by: Ampersand on November 07, 2009, 04:22:11 am
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Post by: BishopX on November 07, 2009, 09:37:17 am
Post by: Xehon on November 07, 2009, 11:19:30 am
Armor needs to be more effective. A full squad with layered personal force fields just got taken down by two of thoseIn a drifting spacecraft.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I agree. Its way too easy to get your mates killed. Especially in late game, when you're trying to do the more difficult things. It kinda makes leveling too meaningless, you'll have to replace the guy soon anyway and things like the fast trait are also quite useless, if you're never going to have a team of 'fast' people.
Also, IMO the game is a little too unrealistic. Biota is too common and too deadly. Anyone can kill some of the largest creatures on earth with something as simple as a shotgun, yet a team of professionals with futuristic hi-tech weapons are regularly massacred in the vastness of space it seems. I'd make alien creatures something very valuable and somewhat rare. Something you could kill with ease most of the time, but won't because its hell of a lot more valuable alive than dead. So the main challenge would become capturing live specimens rather than surviving the zerg rush.
Also, the planets seem a little too small, how about making them larger by creating an additional layer to the planet map. Like a world map, where you do the exploring, and a local map of places of interest, where the action is.
Otherwise, its a great game. Kept dying at the beginning because of acid, but now I already have had myself slaughtered in ancient ruins and pirate bases. Ah, losing is fun. Also, keep away from the mushrooms, the floating kind is especially deadly.
BTW, is the disintegrator supposed to have a damage of 1, or am I missing something?
Post by: Megaman on November 07, 2009, 11:27:18 am
Also, IMO the game is a little too unrealistic.It's a game. Put in a sci-fi perspective. Magellan could do whatever the hell he wants with it, the unerasitic approach is fun as hell.
Post by: Neonivek on November 07, 2009, 11:34:02 am
How many times when watching Star Trek, Buck Rogers, or Dune were you presented with an even battle?
Though I do think that the main officers should be clearly supperior and survive more often when compared to the security team even if it means fudging some rolls. Afterall this is classical sci-fi, the security team are the cannon fodder and usually die off leaving everyone else to save the day.
Post by: Megaman on November 07, 2009, 11:56:46 am
Post by: BishopX on November 07, 2009, 12:04:39 pm
Realistically in a sci-fi perspective you are usually COMPLETELY overpowered and rely on your wits and sometimes technobabble to survive.
How many times when watching Star Trek, Buck Rogers, or Dune were you presented with an even battle?
Though I do think that the main officers should be clearly supperior and survive more often when compared to the security team even if it means fudging some rolls. Afterall this is classical sci-fi, the security team are the cannon fodder and usually die off leaving everyone else to save the day.
If you take a look at the hit points of officers, they are much tougher than your redshirts they have hit-points equal to 2+level, which means that a level 1 officer will be 50% more durable than a fresh redshirt.
Also, your troop will be a lot more durable if you leave tactics on defensive.
Post by: magellan on November 07, 2009, 12:20:05 pm
BTW, is the disintegrator supposed to have a damage of 1, or am I missing something?
Hi Xehon! Thanks for the feedback. Erm. yes damage of 1, no you don't miss anything. It could be that you are missing that other weapons have damage of .1 to .8 (As in 0.1)?
BTW: I fixed some bugs and compiled and put it up and stuff... not all though but i figured better some than none.
Post by: Micro102 on November 07, 2009, 01:06:44 pm
In DF if you know what your doing you can fight off most problems but in this it's just luck. Please put in some save slots.
Post by: Volatar on November 07, 2009, 01:11:38 pm
It is way to easy to die in this game.
Quote
Prospector, a roguelike in development.
::)
Post by: magellan on November 07, 2009, 01:41:10 pm
...
I've read more than one post on ADOM stating
"
How do i enter this dungeon? the map looks like this:
^o
@^
"
So for you to be cut off from your ship by a meteorite there would have to be a mountain directly outside of every new crater wall, i.e look like this before the strike:
....^^^...
..^......^.
..^......^.
..^......^.
....^^^..
and like this afterwards
....^^^...
..^^..^^.
..^......^.
..^^..^^.
....^^^..
... not saying it can't happen, but the chances are pretty slim... you are aware that you can use the numpad for movement?
Thing is i hear both: It is too hard and too easy. What am i supposed to do? :)
Post by: Volatar on November 07, 2009, 01:45:31 pm
Thing is i hear both: It is too hard and too easy. What am i supposed to do? :)
Simple. Say its a rougelike and make it even harder :D
Post by: Neonivek on November 07, 2009, 01:51:02 pm
Like the pathetically easy planets should be close to the station and the tough ones that require 30 tricked out crewmates to beat could be on the outer verges of space.
Though that could be too artificial
Post by: BishopX on November 07, 2009, 02:14:03 pm
On a completly unrelated note, how do funner's and medics gain XP? Becuase none of mine seem to.
Post by: Megaman on November 07, 2009, 02:26:30 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on November 07, 2009, 02:30:08 pm
Unless there has been development I missed.
Post by: magellan on November 07, 2009, 02:36:03 pm
Fixed now in 0.1.8c
@Duke: (A)wayteam now shows what they have equipped, and even gives the faceless crowd names :)
Post by: Blaze on November 07, 2009, 03:10:04 pm
1. I've got a mission to find a planet for the Omega Bioengineering office, is there a way to see what I needed to do?
2. Why do my tractor beams ALWAYS break down after 1 move? I've tried 4 times to tow a ship so far and I got nothing. Also, I dragged it on top of a space station, now what?
3. Are desert sandworms supposed to be practically immune to my laser rifles, tear through my layered p. forcefields with ease, AND multiply???
4. Is there any way to mass drop/sell old equipment? I can't scroll down because the inventory bug kicks in.
5. Bug? I just entered a natural cave. Cue aliens spawning and mass dying from asphyxiation. Biodata! Yoink!
6. What do I do with "Pots of burnt clay" and "handwritten book" and stuff like that?
Post by: Micro102 on November 07, 2009, 05:14:03 pm
And wouldn't the those 40 extra people cost you like....2000 more credits everytime you dock on a station? Those extra guys don't help with the
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I dont see where you can get the resorces to pay off all those guys?
Post by: magellan on November 07, 2009, 05:25:45 pm
1)(Q) shows you the quests you have
2) get a better pilot, then dock and visit the company office.
3) They are tough critters, yes
4) Erm... no selling no
5) Ooops... yes, thanks
6) did i say no selling? i lied
Looks like i have work ahead
@micro102
Several remedies:
there is a "chose diagonal" or soemthing like that thingy in config. If straight ahead is blocked he goes sideways. I've been told it works
You could also rebind the direction keys in keybindings.txt
or use the 1 3 5 6 keys, they work as well
40 redshirts would cost 400 cr per docking. And if they don't come alive back they don't get paid... ;)
Post by: BishopX on November 07, 2009, 05:47:21 pm
when will we see 1.8c?
Also is there a way to re-order our redshirts? I want my strong guy to carry the best melee weapon.
EDIT: I seem to be able to spell better when I'm drunk?
Post by: Micro102 on November 07, 2009, 05:53:18 pm
And thx for the direction info. Maybe i will die 20% less now.
Post by: magellan on November 07, 2009, 05:59:32 pm
You don't need the numpad to move with numbers...1 is SW, 2 is S, 3 is SE...
when with we see 1.8c?
3 hours ago. Happens all the time with FTL travel... ;)
Also is there a way to re-order our redshirts? I want my strong guy to carry the best melee weapon.
Not yet... still in the "Now how the hell do i do that" phase to be honest ...
Post by: Ampersand on November 07, 2009, 06:39:58 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Blaze on November 07, 2009, 06:54:55 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh, and auxilery jetpack fuel containers don't seem to work at all.
Post by: Little on November 07, 2009, 07:35:14 pm
Was playing as a pirate, and after a battle, there was some rapid screen scrolling, and then this appeared:
ERROR: Please inform the author and send him the file error.log
matthias.mennel@gmail.com
error #6 in 1466:SHOW_STARS C:/Prospector/src/ProsIO.bas
My save is still there, but when I select it the error appears. I was doing so well. :'(
Post by: Jay on November 07, 2009, 07:52:56 pm
Post by: Blaze on November 07, 2009, 09:29:19 pm
Post by: Paul on November 07, 2009, 10:08:08 pm
This also makes towing in ships for 500 cr worthless, since it will cost you at least several tractor beams to get one in. I towed in a troop carrier and got paid 500 cr and I had to buy 2 additional beams to get it in. Also with a level 4 pilot.
You also might want to cut the wage costs for high level people a bit, or at least make it depend on the length of the journey. Maybe have it divide by 100 and multiply by the amount of turns since you docked? That way you'd pay the full amount every 100 turns, but if you're trying to trade or something and taking only 25 turns from station to station it doesn't charge you the full amount every time and you can actually pull a bit of a profit. Having to pay 800 every time I dock means I can't make any profits at all trading, and every excursion requires me to stay out a few hundred turns and make a fortune to pay for the wages. Lowering my wages just makes them retire at every single dock, which gets excessively annoying.
Post by: Blaze on November 07, 2009, 10:55:17 pm
Then collect the Biodata from the corpses for loads of profit.
Post by: Neonivek on November 07, 2009, 11:05:36 pm
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My complaint is how lethal some aliens can be. Give them bows and they will wreck your armored and energy weapon armed screw any time
I do agree that a lot of the time these Aliens break my sense of emmersion when their primative abilities, small size, or Stone age technology trumps space age technology and highly trained personel.
Post by: Tilla on November 07, 2009, 11:26:38 pm
QuoteMy complaint is how lethal some aliens can be. Give them bows and they will wreck your armored and energy weapon armed screw any time
I do agree that a lot of the time these Aliens break my sense of emmersion when their primative abilities, small size, or Stone age technology trumps space age technology and highly trained personel.
Yah, it's sort of a civlization situation, where not just occasionally but OFTEN spearmen can take down mechanized infantry. I imagine there's a trope for that
Post by: Neonivek on November 07, 2009, 11:28:58 pm
Ohh wait that is what you meant
If an Archer starts killing infantry (I can understand it going through forcefields) the arrows better be made out of some sort of material or the creature better be large enough that these arrows are like balistae
Post by: Tilla on November 07, 2009, 11:32:55 pm
Post by: Micro102 on November 07, 2009, 11:36:03 pm
Post by: magellan on November 08, 2009, 04:49:39 am
Oh, and auxilery jetpack fuel containers don't seem to work at all.
Work fine here. 25 fuel without, 50 with. They aren't supposed to stack
Post by: BishopX on November 08, 2009, 12:37:31 pm
-Drifting spaceships don't have engines. While this may explain why they are drifting, it should make using them as your ship more difficult.
-Creatures in caves on airless worlds are still asphyxiating.
-Blowing holes in spaceship hulls leaves black squares rather than space.
Post by: Paul on November 08, 2009, 03:09:11 pm
error #6 in 68:DISPBASE C:/Prospector/src/math.bas
error #12 in -1:DISPBASE C:/Prospector/src/math.bas
This happens every pirate encounter. I think it might be related to the fact that I killed some pirates on a planet I explored, and apparently got rewarded for destroying a pirate base (10k).
On another note, is there any way to actually capture an alien scout ship? I managed to clear one out through extensive use of mines and grenades and the death of many many redshirts, but was disappointed to find that nothing on the ship let me claim it. I got a ton of money towing it in as salvage, but I was hoping to fly it as my own.
Post by: Blaze on November 08, 2009, 05:17:21 pm
As for those stranded ships, I'm pretty sure you can take over everything except the generation ship, which doesn't have an interactable bridge.
Post by: magellan on November 08, 2009, 05:28:00 pm
Playing around with it a bit today I got this while engaging an unidentified sensor blip:
error #6 in 68:DISPBASE C:/Prospector/src/math.bas
error #12 in -1:DISPBASE C:/Prospector/src/math.bas
This happens every pirate encounter. I think it might be related to the fact that I killed some pirates on a planet I explored, and apparently got rewarded for destroying a pirate base (10k).
On another note, is there any way to actually capture an alien scout ship? I managed to clear one out through extensive use of mines and grenades and the death of many many redshirts, but was disappointed to find that nothing on the ship let me claim it. I got a ton of money towing it in as salvage, but I was hoping to fly it as my own.
Thanks for the bug reports. will look into... would it be possible to have one of those unusable savegames? That one looks wierd...
As for the alien scoutship: you need to find one that has been a little bit better preserved...
Post by: Ampersand on November 08, 2009, 06:32:39 pm
Post by: Micro102 on November 08, 2009, 06:43:19 pm
Also, anyone got a suggestion to escaping 2 prirate "C"s? Or am i dead....Also they can shoot at me when i can't even see them. I feel that without a destroyer i won't survive a space battle aganst a "C"
Post by: BishopX on November 08, 2009, 06:51:44 pm
Post by: Blaze on November 08, 2009, 07:13:58 pm
"x"-> scroll to creature-> scroll down description is pretty tedious when you have to do it 5 times just to miss the message about it going hostile and ending up losing 12 people to it.
Post by: Ampersand on November 08, 2009, 09:26:29 pm
Post by: Micro102 on November 08, 2009, 09:32:12 pm
Post by: Paul on November 08, 2009, 09:36:14 pm
What do you do with alien art? I picked up a bunch of alien art by trading with aliens, but it doesn't sell when I talk to the station office.
Also, how do you collect money for missions? I got a mission to map a specific planet at a specific x,y location. I went there and maped the entire planet walking over every single tile using jetpacks. Went back to base, no reward. Went back to the place and mapped the entire solar system, every tile of every planet, and still no reward.
Post by: magellan on November 09, 2009, 12:09:50 am
Post by: Paul on November 09, 2009, 12:23:29 am
I just had another mission in a new game (died in that one to an unexpected pirate attack containing several cruisers) where I was supposed to find a lifeless very dense exotic atmosphere planet. I found one with 10% chance of life and didn't see any life forms there. Did it need to just not have any life forms present, or actually be 0% chance of life?
Post by: Little on November 09, 2009, 12:25:58 am
Post by: magellan on November 09, 2009, 12:27:52 am
Theoretically it would have to have the right atmosphere, no critters and no plants. You get a message if you start from a planet that qualifies.
Post by: Ampersand on November 09, 2009, 02:40:37 am
That sounds like retirement.
No one retired. And the bit of my inventory that vanished was a laser drill, not a weapon or armor. In fact, it was only my first excursion out. I did get hit dead on by a Comet while on the planet, though. Might that have something to do with it?
Yeah, I was comet mining. I had something like 7000 resources.
Post by: Tilla on November 09, 2009, 05:37:38 am
Post by: ductape on November 09, 2009, 05:45:10 am
Post by: Ampersand on November 09, 2009, 06:11:09 am
Post by: BishopX on November 09, 2009, 11:28:14 am
In other news, I love the fact that you can tunnel through mountains now!
Post by: Neonivek on November 09, 2009, 12:06:54 pm
It is by far the one that actually has results and is also still visually developing.
So congradulations Magellan!
Post by: Micro102 on November 09, 2009, 12:18:03 pm
Post by: Ampersand on November 09, 2009, 03:19:51 pm
comet mining? you mean those gray blocks next to planets?
I mean standing on a rogue planet, and waiting for comets to collide with it and leave behind large ore deposits.
Post by: Paul on November 09, 2009, 05:21:04 pm
Post by: Micro102 on November 09, 2009, 06:40:27 pm
Anyway i found this ship filled with fast and armored robots. I slowly carved my way through it, fighting off one robot at a time, until i came to this 3x3 room FILLED with robots. I couldn't kill them all. Until i realized that "f" "direction" shoots multiple things at once. so i shot a hole in the wall and ripped 10 robots to pieces in seconds.
The robots kept respawning too
Now the question is....Why cant i take this ship? I found a ton of supplies and cryocells and some disintigrators. Can these ship peices be transferred to my new ship?
Post by: BishopX on November 09, 2009, 08:59:05 pm
And buying a heavy scount from a light scout duplicated my rocket launcher.
Post by: Micro102 on November 09, 2009, 09:37:16 pm
Post by: Blaze on November 09, 2009, 09:42:38 pm
If there aren't enough slots, I think it just disappears.
Post by: Micro102 on November 10, 2009, 01:18:06 pm
Post by: BishopX on November 10, 2009, 01:24:42 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 10, 2009, 01:28:49 pm
But will i have the chance to switch better parts? if a desroyer has 4 lasers, and my old ship has a disintegrator, will the disintiegrator end up on my destroyer?
Realistically wouldn't that take hard labour or even be impossible?
Post by: magellan on November 10, 2009, 01:40:42 pm
@Neonivek: yup, lots and lots of work! Ha! An explanation why you don't get to cash in your old hull? :D thx!
Post by: Micro102 on November 10, 2009, 01:41:08 pm
Post by: magellan on November 10, 2009, 01:54:53 pm
If you want to be on the save side: savescum! (Save the game, copy the savefile, buy the new ship, and if something goes wrong, tell me, and reuse your old save)
Post by: Micro102 on November 10, 2009, 01:57:25 pm
Post by: magellan on November 10, 2009, 01:59:26 pm
Post by: Micro102 on November 10, 2009, 04:31:57 pm
Post by: BishopX on November 10, 2009, 04:50:44 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 10, 2009, 05:04:01 pm
Ok that didn't happen... but wouldn't it be cool if it did?
Post by: Paul on November 10, 2009, 05:18:42 pm
That would have happened to me the other day when my power suddenly dropped for like 10 minutes, but my UPS saved me.
Post by: Tilla on November 10, 2009, 05:52:21 pm
I went to a planet and the entire population was nothing but people turned into frozen statues. My scientist thought he could thaw a few of them out but because he was low skilled he killed the emperor who could have warned me of the creature who froze my team solid.
Ok that didn't happen... but wouldn't it be cool if it did?
That would be pretty cool. Also gets me thinking of some HP Lovecraft inspired stuff (Specifically At the Mountains of Madness, wherein ancient alien beings are frozen into statue form in antarctica. Also featuring sprawling underground cities ...would definitely be cool in this game)
Post by: Megaman on November 11, 2009, 03:27:02 pm
Post by: ductape on November 11, 2009, 03:35:44 pm
It's a roguelike tradition, very few are willing to break with. It's propably one of the oldest even older than savescuming ;)
IN fact, I would wager the tradition started IMMEDIATELY before savescumming ;D
Post by: magellan on November 11, 2009, 03:44:24 pm
@megaman: agreed. Trying to concentrate on that. But adding new uniques is fun, and seldom a source for bugs :) And that one sounds fun, though i'd say the job to thaw them up befits the doctor more than the science dude.
Post by: BishopX on November 11, 2009, 04:28:31 pm
Post by: Micro102 on November 11, 2009, 09:15:24 pm
Post by: BishopX on November 12, 2009, 06:37:49 pm
1) merchant ships don't need to be killed to drop cargo.
2) merchant ships only carry ship's guns
3) pirate crews don't seem to need to be paid, and aside from one pilot deciding he never wanted to leave the bar again, pirate crews never retire.
4) you can't saturate the market in stolen goods.
5) merchants don't stay away from high pirate areas...like the 2X2 area where I've killed more than 40 ships...
6) anti-pirate patrols don't respond to increased pirate activity.
7) no less than 5 of the sectors best gunners all crashed their ships into the pirate base, and turned them into bunkers after $WILDLIFE ate the rest of their crew. I've also never seen $WILDLIFE on the pirate base...
Post by: thobal on November 12, 2009, 10:53:56 pm
Post by: Tilla on November 12, 2009, 11:02:26 pm
might just be on my end, but the config version numbers and the readmes and stuff dont look like they've been updated in a while.
What do you mean, the documentation isn't up to date? Mine seem to be fine stating version 0.1.8 in readme
Post by: magellan on November 22, 2009, 05:43:30 am
Post by: Ampersand on November 22, 2009, 03:20:52 pm
Post by: BishopX on November 23, 2009, 02:25:01 pm
Post by: magellan on November 23, 2009, 04:57:12 pm
Improvise mines lets you drop mines that you don't have. You don't need to buy them, but they use 5 fuel units. (They boom a little less than Mk I and MK II)
Hmm... that might be interesting... shield penetrating mines that do more damage vs shields than vs Hull... might be an interesting additional ship weapon as well...
Post by: Ampersand on November 23, 2009, 07:15:19 pm
Post by: BishopX on November 23, 2009, 08:11:15 pm
In practice this means pilots and science officers on merchant ships and combat ships don't really gain exp. Doctors on the other hand, gain experience way too easily. Just find a planet with ammonia, buy some armor, and go swimming repeatedly. Captains seem to take forever, but since I can't figure out what skills they use, and they're already pretty tough, it doesn't matter much. Exp also resets at every level.
My suggestion regarding experience is to raise the experience requirements, but to allow more than 1 action to grant experience gains.
Experience should be granted for a number of actions:
-hitting/killing a creature
-landing on difficult terrain
-capturing an asteroid
-navigating a gas cloud
-dodging a attack in space combat
-hitting in space combat
-useful tactical command decisions (i.e. those that make the difference between sucsess and failure).
-making contact with an alien species
-making scientific breakthroughs (i.e. finding novel organisms)
-healing wounds
-curing disease
-evaluating dead humans
-finding alien artifacts (including disintegrators and adaptive body armor which the game doesn't count)
-completing missions
Experience is granted to the person who succeeds at the role, so pilots would get exp from landing, but if the pilot died the captain would gain exp for planets he landed on. Finding artifacts and completing quests should grant experience to everyone who was there. Not all of these actions should grant the same experience (i.e. flying through a gas cloud should be worth three to five times what a difficult landing would be worth.
Officers should require 100, 200, 300 exp, security forces should go 25/50/75. The reason for this difference is that officers can function like security forces (i.e. shooting stuff) while security forces can't function like officers (although battlefield promotions would be kinda cool).
EDIT: in lieu of double posting I'm going to post my bugs here:
- when you scare aliens into giving you resources, they don't get sold to the corporations
- officers who have been killed sometimes retire upon landing
- The alien scoutship doesn't seem to have stats...
- it can rain sulfuric acid inside a cave
- Alien space craft which describe themselves as not haveing an atmosphere should have one
- gratefull crewmembers say "thank you for safeing our lives". It should be "thank you for saving our lives".
- why would you deploy a sattilite when boarding a drifting space craft?
- Casino thugs will eat each others corpses
- Predatory seaweed should not live on airless rogue planets
- Stations will ask you to deliver cargo to themselves
Post by: magellan on December 31, 2009, 08:34:14 am
just uploaded prospector 0.1.9 at http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/
And while you still can not colonize planets there is other fun stuff. Like speculating with company stocks (You could even put a company out of business!) or adding Biotech implants to your crew.
So i hope you apologize me thread-necroing, but i had to :)
Post by: Lordinquisitor on December 31, 2009, 08:49:53 am
This game is awesome. Keep on the good work! ;)
Post by: Ampersand on December 31, 2009, 11:23:15 am
Post by: ductape on December 31, 2009, 01:16:03 pm
This is your thread. You just go on and necro if you need to. YOU OWN IT! YOU GO ON WIT YO BAD SELF!
thanks for an update, will be playing soon.
Post by: magellan on January 01, 2010, 07:18:30 am
As for giving up: not yet.
I realized that if i wanted to have colonization working i would have to spend at least another month on it, so i tore it out again (Current status: if you drop basemodules on a planet they start building houses around it, but dont do anything yet)
Post by: Lordinquisitor on January 01, 2010, 11:16:54 am
On some planets the player can find houses- But can`t interact with them in any way. I`m a ruthless Prospector, who kills whole races in order to get some bio data and yet i can`t search the houses of the Creatures i slay? I won`t believe that all those houses are empty. ;)
Post by: magellan on January 01, 2010, 04:10:04 pm
Post by: Lordinquisitor on January 01, 2010, 05:10:17 pm
Post by: Gabeux on January 03, 2010, 04:35:34 pm
Gotta play the new version, keep it up man! :D
Post by: Gabeux on January 05, 2010, 02:51:05 am
Btw, I tried to take a screenshot...but the stock market isn't working properly, I can't sell the stock.
Also, one of the companies showed negative value (-4), which would give me money when I buy it.
Gotta have some more of this tomorrow, died 5 times already
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Oh and forgot to say, biotech was also a nice addition!
But something weird is happening. Everytime I shoot a creature more than 1 tile (adjacent) far, I miss the shot. Is this happening due to lack of XP?
Cya!
Post by: Neonivek on January 05, 2010, 03:30:36 am
I just havn't had anything to say really.
Post by: Gabeux on January 06, 2010, 12:30:16 am
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Minor, but..
EDIT: OH DAMN
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Post by: a1s on January 06, 2010, 06:28:50 am
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Post by: Deon on January 06, 2010, 11:37:38 am
Post by: Gabeux on January 06, 2010, 10:59:02 pm
I get too addicted and when I die I just want to kill stuff so I end up dead again.
The great thing is that it's my own fault and I know that, because I want to get THAT LAST BIT of the planet mapped and end up dead due to some weird monster that was chasing me, or landing on planets that may have great rewards, but it's certain death with only 5 crew..etc
RAEG.happiness
Post by: magellan on January 08, 2010, 03:48:37 pm
Anyway: For those who want to see a little preview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ5NgJi9Ovw
Implemented this afternoon, will be in there with the next update :)
Post by: ductape on January 08, 2010, 07:42:51 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 08, 2010, 08:04:26 pm
Post by: magellan on January 08, 2010, 10:48:18 pm
still undecided on 2 things though:
Should it damage the awayteam, or be a complete "Eye of the storm" kinda thing.
And:
Should it come in different sizes, like, some leveling only half a planet or even less...
But i gotta confess i had quite some fun today, hopping from planet to planet and watching it leveling mountain ranges and evaporating oceans :)
Post by: ductape on January 08, 2010, 11:55:29 pm
Also, you above comment gives me ideas, such as different effects. Some bombs might only evaporate oceans, or maybe freeze the whole planet. Maybe some would simply nuke all life, or maybe like genesis device, create it.
Post by: magellan on January 09, 2010, 12:04:33 am
But some of them might be very, very old and only barely functional.
Hmmm.. but a "neutron bomb" variant sounds fun...
Post by: BishopX on January 09, 2010, 12:08:44 am
I can think of just the planet I want to use this on.
Post by: Neonivek on January 09, 2010, 12:45:12 am
Post by: magellan on January 09, 2010, 09:05:26 am
thanks for the input guys!
Post by: BishopX on January 09, 2010, 10:24:02 am
Post by: magellan on January 09, 2010, 12:26:42 pm
Thing is they have become a lot less farmable in 0.1.9. (you get biodata/number of critters of the same breed you killed) Life specimen on the other hand are always worth the same, wether its the first or the 100th.
While the system is sound, i think, the question is wether the values are.
Post by: jnecros on January 09, 2010, 09:12:28 pm
Post by: Gabeux on January 10, 2010, 09:40:42 am
Having a pleasant time with this, the game has a metric shit ton of potential. Bloody hard, but this one is on my watch list now.Double
Btw that bomb thing was awesome, I want to do that in a robots' planet
GIAHAHAH
Post by: Ampersand on January 11, 2010, 03:29:39 pm
Post by: Maha on January 12, 2010, 04:16:38 pm
Post by: magellan on January 12, 2010, 05:17:52 pm
Post by: Maha on January 12, 2010, 05:37:38 pm
Post by: Maha on January 12, 2010, 09:31:32 pm
Already tried saving the game and reloading, didn't work either.
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edit: they do regenerate in battle (as long as I don't get hit, of course). Also, they seem to be level 6.
Post by: penguinofhonor on January 12, 2010, 09:49:23 pm
Post by: terren on January 12, 2010, 11:15:34 pm
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/issues/detail?id=73 (http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/issues/detail?id=73)
Post by: BishopX on January 13, 2010, 03:49:13 pm
Post by: Maha on January 18, 2010, 08:53:57 pm
And in an unrelated note, pirate groups with 4+ battleships are just tantamount to a forced game over no matter what you're flying.
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Post by: magellan on January 19, 2010, 12:44:27 am
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Did you try to whittle them down from a distance? With your weapons you should be able to destroy one of the cruisers per turn, and battleships should be gone within 3 Turns tops. And with 5 Movement points they can't really close in. Just checking if tactics might have helped.
Post by: Maha on January 19, 2010, 03:33:44 am
Just saw your post over at somethingawful and gotta say...Balancing stuff is hard :/Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Did you try to whittle them down from a distance? With your weapons you should be able to destroy one of the cruisers per turn, and battleships should be gone within 3 Turns tops. And with 5 Movement points they can't really close in. Just checking if tactics might have helped.
Oops, you read the SA post? Haha, I tried to be nicer here where I knew you'd read it and left the venting for there.
Yeah, I probably should have stayed at range and tried to pick them off one by one, it's basically what I tell myself everytime I die to pirates. But once I tried to escape, failed and got thrown in the middle of 3 Bs and a few Cs, at single-digit HP, it was all over.
Let me ask you, though:
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And to close, let me just say I've been playing the hell out of your game, I love it and can't wait for the next version!
edit: oh yeah, just remembered another bug:
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Post by: magellan on January 19, 2010, 05:10:20 am
You are also not the first person to go "OMFG" at late game pirate fleets, and gave me an idea for an additional item. :)
How to stop pirates
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Post by: Keita on January 19, 2010, 06:17:33 am
Post by: magellan on January 19, 2010, 06:33:08 am
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=478840
Its slightly older and a tad on the humorous side though :) Also by some strange cooincidence i started watching Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Society yesterday :)
Post by: Keita on January 19, 2010, 07:41:35 am
There would be this:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=478840
Its slightly older and a tad on the humorous side though :) Also by some strange cooincidence i started watching Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Society yesterday :)
Thanks and how cool. Hope you enjoy the series as much as I did.
Post by: Maha on January 19, 2010, 04:46:49 pm
Also, I don't think the "minimum safe distance to pirate planets" option in the configuration screen does anything, or at least not when I change it mid-game.
Post by: Ampersand on January 19, 2010, 09:38:04 pm
Gameplay wise, you could make it a map-overlay. Just change the background tile colors to red or blue while the map is active to illustrate which areas are deemed relatively safe by patrol ships, and which areas are pirate controlled. This may be something that comes default if you play as a pirate.
Post by: magellan on January 20, 2010, 04:01:57 pm
There are imp. ship detection systems already.
Hmm... a "tactical-news-feed" subscription perhaps:
Company ships engaging and defeating pirate fleets report the next time they dock at a station, and if you pay for the subscription (like 5 Cr per docking or thereabouts) you get to know where the battle took place, marking the place on the map. Then again that would provide a whole lot less of info than the ship detection systems already do, so i am not sure if it would be really a worthwile feature (Though it definitely would be kinda fun to watch).
Post by: BishopX on January 20, 2010, 04:05:14 pm
Post by: hemmingjay on January 20, 2010, 08:26:19 pm
Just my half pence.
flame on
Post by: BishopX on January 21, 2010, 08:54:37 am
Post by: hemmingjay on January 21, 2010, 10:20:31 am
Post by: magellan on January 21, 2010, 12:44:59 pm
a) ugly
b) tiny
c) incomplete
I've decided before i tackle a) and c) (There was a volunteer for that, don't think i forgot, neonivek ;) ) i need to tackle b, which is a tad trickier than you'd think. (Especially with all the hardcoded "Print this here" stuff)
Post by: hemmingjay on January 21, 2010, 09:09:01 pm
Post by: x2yzh9 on January 21, 2010, 09:28:14 pm
Post by: hemmingjay on January 21, 2010, 09:57:48 pm
At work on a review blog of my own, but I want to get more eyes on this story than my lil' blog could deliver.
Post by: Gabeux on January 22, 2010, 02:14:19 am
Too bad I died like 20 times, so I'm giving myself sometime before I call myself a loser.
Actually, I think I die too much because I risk too much, hmm.
72 pages, what do you think about that?
Post by: Neonivek on January 22, 2010, 02:15:29 am
Don't think I forgot about it, magellan, this game is getting better at every update!
Too bad I died like 20 times, so I'm giving myself sometime before I call myself a loser.
Actually, I think I die too much because I risk too much, hmm.
72 pages, what do you think about that?
Remember the game is all about how tough the game is right from the getgo
Which oddly enough makes it the reverse of most roguelikes (well... ignoring exploits)
Post by: x2yzh9 on January 22, 2010, 05:28:24 pm
Post by: BishopX on January 22, 2010, 05:41:42 pm
Post by: Maha on January 22, 2010, 08:41:51 pm
Post by: Logical2u on January 24, 2010, 11:09:28 pm
I have a bug report or two for you here, Magellan.
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This was on one of the "Important" planets, that show up darker on the map. I'm tempted to say they're not randomly generated. There was no scanner-message about the world, but when I landed on it and finally managed to get off again, sure enough it was darkened.
Is this supposed to be some world of drug influences?
The critters worked, but the terrain did not.
I also found
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There should be a different indicator for
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The Epsilon Eriandi corp will randomly become hostile to you if you hang out too long at their planets. I was
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And finally...
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Edit: Actually, I remember why the game thought I was a pirate now.
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Post by: Neonivek on January 25, 2010, 08:23:45 am
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Ok... so I am joking
Post by: Micro102 on January 25, 2010, 10:26:52 am
Post by: Neonivek on January 25, 2010, 11:24:47 am
That first bug, with the messed up world, that is a special world and yes the plants release a large amount of neurotoxins that makes everything look like that.
Though you COULD say that more COULD be done to make it a bit more obvious. COULD!
Post by: Micro102 on January 25, 2010, 03:19:18 pm
I would love it if i could tell which planet was the deadly living planet that you will die if you land on but that's not gonna happen.
Post by: magellan on January 25, 2010, 04:23:07 pm
Anyhows.
It's less buggy, and some of the bugs in 0.1.9 where game killers (like, not being able to reach the console on the ancient city planet)
So here it is: 0.1.10
DL link in my signature
Enjoy!
Post by: Logical2u on January 25, 2010, 04:35:46 pm
Sure you get a warning for that one. Well, it's not exactly a warning but a description but still.If I see that world again I'll be sure to check it out. That character was since slaughtered by sandworms.
I figured it was too self-referential to be a bug.
Although why your crew doesn't wear their spacesuits on that world... Actually, my crew was using oxygen on that world, so how did they get infected with neurotoxins? It is a mystery.
I think the "stuck" planet is categorized by something like "Perfectly average boring" or "one big crater" usually... I seem to remember that happening once or twice.
Ah, and one more thing... lockpicks? Are they artefacts, or can your team actually use them on locked things?
Post by: magellan on January 25, 2010, 04:46:40 pm
Lockpicks: If you have those you have a higher chance to pass locked doors. Another part of the game that would benefit from some minor to medium expansion.
Post by: Logical2u on January 25, 2010, 10:14:33 pm
Another Darkened World with no description text, and an interesting post-mortem tidbit...
Regrettably, I can't screenshot it, but suffice to say it followed...
Captain is dead! Emergency lift off!
Your crew is dead.
Captain, X, got better!
Edit: This happened again, on a different run.
Edit: Also, I don't think any custom descriptors are working? Except for gas giants. All the notable planets I've scanned have no descriptions. Maybe the sensor quality impacts that now? Edit of an edit - I think it was just that saved game. Weird. Seems to be working now.
Edit of an edit of an edit: It's sort of random? Like the first one works but the rest don't? And none of them show up in the logs.
And finally the pirate in the asteroid belt bug hit again...
I was ambushed by a pirate cruiser (and destroyed), and my death log stated that I was killed by merchants and was trying to be a pirate. -- Got blasted into atoms while trying to be a pirate after 558 Turns
Edit of an edit 2: I got ambushed again. Was a pirate again! This... seems to be a bug.
Also, derp - FAQ "I landed on a planet with glitched tiles!" "This isn't a bug.". I feel dumb now!
Post by: magellan on January 25, 2010, 11:33:26 pm
Anyway: Yup, 0.1.10 will do wierd things if it eats a 0.1.9 savefile. I could have been more clear there: the savegames shrunk from 30megs to 3. I am actually suprised it doesn't crash when you load one.
Pirate thingy: havent looked into it yet, sorry. Thought i rather put this thing out with a few bugs less than bugfree prospector in 2028. :)
Post by: EuchreJack on January 25, 2010, 11:56:18 pm
Post by: Logical2u on January 26, 2010, 12:02:02 am
I added that FAQ line yesterday. Because it definitely is F. So no reason to feel Derpish :)
Anyway: Yup, 0.1.10 will do wierd things if it eats a 0.1.9 savefile. I could have been more clear there: the savegames shrunk from 30megs to 3. I am actually suprised it doesn't crash when you load one.
Pirate thingy: havent looked into it yet, sorry. Thought i rather put this thing out with a few bugs less than bugfree prospector in 2028. :)
Glad to hear that you're looking into this stuff :D
I deleted my old .19 folder before using the 1.1 version.
I found the "Toxin" planet again, with no warning upon scanning. I'm... a bit smarter this time, so am not completely destroyed at this point. I can upload the save, if you want?
Post by: magellan on January 26, 2010, 12:18:30 am
Edit of an edit - I think it was just that saved game. Weird. Seems to be working now.
So i misinterpreted the above line? Was a 0.1.10 savegame? Thats... bad. If it does it again or even regularly please let me know, right now i am hoping it does not :/
Anyway "The planet that makes you feel funny in the head": No need for a savefile, thanks. As i said: Jup, it's boring. Needs revamp. Will do. Sooner or later :)
Post by: Logical2u on January 26, 2010, 01:09:10 am
Edit of an edit - I think it was just that saved game. Weird. Seems to be working now.
So i misinterpreted the above line? Was a 0.1.10 savegame? Thats... bad. If it does it again or even regularly please let me know, right now i am hoping it does not :/
I thought it was just that universe that was having that bug, is what I meant. The save game, the character... It was a 1.1 savegame.
It's kind of random, like it doesn't load all the descriptors for the planets. I'll keep playing and see if it pops up. Eg: I'll get the "Human Colony!" text, but not the "Toxic!" text.
I had thought the preloader had glitched on me, but... it's kind of consistent.
Post by: Maha on January 26, 2010, 03:05:29 am
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Also, suggestion:
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Post by: Ampersand on January 26, 2010, 04:14:56 am
Post by: magellan on January 26, 2010, 04:31:37 am
... at least that is what is supposed to happen
Also: found the asteroid mining space battle bug. As good as fixed
Post by: Maha on January 26, 2010, 06:49:44 am
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Also, it seems the square metal rooms that appeared underground sometimes and used to be full of robots are now being generated empty.
Post by: magellan on January 26, 2010, 09:10:25 am
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Also thanks for telling about the robots. Will have to look into that.
Oh, and
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Post by: Maha on January 26, 2010, 11:25:55 am
Post by: Run Comrades on January 26, 2010, 03:08:12 pm
I've only been playing as a pirate so far, just for kicks. It was a bit hard starting out, but I finally (after a dozen or so failed attempts) have a promising game going (around 3k turns, so still young).
I have noticed a bug playing as a pirate though. I've been trying to search this thread but so far every way I think to search comes up with no results.
The bug is this: I've taken over a merchant vessel I found drifting around that gives me room for redshirts. I noticed thought that in space battles, whenever I shoot a merchant vessel and I kill its crew, my redshirts die instead.
Example, the last battle I fought, I was fully staffed. 5 regular staff, 5 redshirts. I encounter a merchant ship and hit it with my railgun array. Four of their members get killed. I get shot a few times but shields hold. Eventually I destroyed the ship, but when I landed to refuel and whatnot four of my redshirts were dead instead.
edit: I can't be sure, but I think it happens regardless of the type of ship I attack, as long as I kill their crewmen in battle, mine die instead.
Post by: magellan on January 26, 2010, 04:06:04 pm
Thanks for the bugreports! I have declared this week to be the week of reckless insecticide, and am hoping to make some progress there.
Also: 3000 turns as a pirate is nothing to sneeze at i'd say.
Post by: Maha on January 26, 2010, 08:20:52 pm
First, he's still on the planet and asking to join even after already having joined my crew. Second, when he joined he took over my previous doctor's augments and level, and now he displays level 6 even though he doesn't have the HP for it (only 6 with imp. metabolism), and won't level up anymore.
Post by: quinnr on January 26, 2010, 08:30:02 pm
Post by: Logical2u on January 26, 2010, 09:51:34 pm
The doctor in the tree planet (called Ted Rofes in my game) seems kinda bugged in general.I'm pretty sure the planet is random, as is the doctor.
First, he's still on the planet and asking to join even after already having joined my crew. Second, when he joined he took over my previous doctor's augments and level, and now he displays level 6 even though he doesn't have the HP for it (only 6 with imp. metabolism), and won't level up anymore.
I think the 1st one is a bug, since my science office seemed to work.
The augments are weird.
Level six is not uncommon - he's a rare, high level officer - for some reason I think the game only goes to level 5 or so, so he probably hit the HP/level cap?
Post by: Run Comrades on January 27, 2010, 04:09:36 pm
My game as a pirate captain ended in the old version about ten minutes ago (after around 4.5k turns)...to accidentally not actually refueling on that gas giant like I thought I did.
Oh well, new toys to try out!
I have so far noticed something buggy while playing as a pirate again on 1.10.
This time it looks like when my crew members decide to leave when I go into the bar (which they never actually leave) their level jumps up to five.
It must have been a very good drink they were serving at the bar. :P
Post by: Run Comrades on January 27, 2010, 11:45:26 pm
The thing happening with my officers "leaving" and then their level going up definitely did happen. But it doesn't seem to be happening in this particular play now.
I just had a gunner actually leave, and had to hire another one. Still playing pirate.
edit: okay so the bug happened again where, this time my science officer, decided to stay at the bar on the pirate base. Like before he didn't leave, and when I got to my ship his level was level 5.
Post by: kcwong on January 28, 2010, 01:38:57 am
My first scout ship was lost in 51 turns, when I tried to enter a gas cloud to get to the first star I saw.
Second one got the whole crew cooked in an ammonium geyser. Now I know exotic atmosphere can be pretty bad...
Third one is still alive and kicking, gained several thousands credits from scouting. Found a 100% safe planet with lots of resources, chased off another planet by a giant earthworm. Woot!
Post by: Run Comrades on January 28, 2010, 02:38:34 am
I am pretty sure this happened before on a previous game for this version.
I ran into a Cruiser Class ship that was stranded (which is the same class as the pirate cruiser)
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After running into that ship it seems like I can't find or run into any more merchant convoys. I have been flying around an area that has been filled with them for a while and I don't run into anything.
Post by: kcwong on January 28, 2010, 11:15:45 am
1) Can you sell personal equipment?
2) How can you tell if a certain armor/weapon is enough for critters you're going to face, other than from the price tag?
3) How you do use mining robots? I dropped them as the description said, but they never seem to dig up anything, even when I place them right next to some mountain/ore tiles.
I kept over-estimating my crew's personal combat prowess and thus getting them killed (couldn't even kill a sing herbivore lizard that wasn't even fighting back for many turns), so I don't have anyone with better skills. Makes it very difficult to land on rough planets or going through gas clouds.
Edit: Finally my pilot is skill 2, and I've got everyone a personal force field (layered version for captain). Hopefully that's enough for me to run away when I got attacked by critters.
Post by: magellan on January 28, 2010, 12:24:24 pm
2) Just pricetag actually. But I guess it would not hurt telling the player the value. Will add that
3) They actually don't do anything while you are on the planet, you have to leave and need to collect them again later. Propably should change that...
That said:
I do hope you know about the (T)actics command?
Post by: BishopX on January 28, 2010, 01:22:04 pm
Post by: Mohreb el Yasim on January 28, 2010, 02:48:32 pm
Post by: magellan on January 28, 2010, 03:11:23 pm
Is it possibile that you got confused by a displayglitch that i just noticed?
(It doesnt clear the availiable stock, so if you got 2 stocks, and there are 3 availiable the Exit of the selling menu will cover the 3rd stock, but the price will still be there)?
Edit to add: Did you mainly trade with the last 3 goods? computers, narcotics & hightech? If so, then i guess those do deserve some nerfing (they behave different than the others)
Post by: fenrif on January 28, 2010, 03:25:51 pm
Just had a game where i landed on the featureless rock, and the eden planet, and both didnt show up at the end?
Post by: Run Comrades on January 28, 2010, 03:44:44 pm
This time when my pilot and gunner decided to stay at the bar, it shows in my stat window both at the bar and in space (Pi:0 Gu:0) indicating that they have left. (edit: and on the ship status '@' they appear gone)
But when I go into my away team menu, they both still appear on the list, and when walking around planets they are still on my away team status area. It's still showing ( CPGSD ) even though I have not hired anyone new yet.
:)
edit: oh and in space combat it is definitely acting like my gunner is still with me
Post by: Kishmond on January 28, 2010, 03:54:17 pm
Say, do you have to do anything with armor/weapons to use them or do they just add to your armor/damage. And is the armor rating for everyone in your away team at once?
Post by: Run Comrades on January 28, 2010, 04:00:01 pm
For weapons and armours on the crew they will equip the best available automatically. The awayteam status stats are combined, I believe. It makes more sense when you look at your items more closely and see that each gun or knife or whatever has a damage of 0.7 or something like that. And then on your status screen you'll see (Firearms : 3.5) or something, which would be the total.
To use melee weapons you just walk into the enemy. To use firearms you type 'f' then you can either hit the direction you want to fire, or use '5' to select the target to fire on.
Post by: Maha on January 28, 2010, 04:48:25 pm
Post by: magellan on January 28, 2010, 05:33:36 pm
Anyway: consider it done, Maha
With your Bomb troubles you have 2 options
1) turn off autopickup
2) drop and move one square away the next turn (maybe a *little* farther than just one square to be save...like, launching into orbit or something like that...)
Post by: Mohreb el Yasim on January 28, 2010, 05:42:22 pm
Hmmm... couldnt reproduce that.actualy i couldn't reproduce it either i am sure the bug occured in my previus game (but don't have the save anymore i died) if i see it next time i'll post the save
Is it possibile that you got confused by a displayglitch that i just noticed?
(It doesnt clear the availiable stock, so if you got 2 stocks, and there are 3 availiable the Exit of the selling menu will cover the 3rd stock, but the price will still be there)?
Edit to add: Did you mainly trade with the last 3 goods? computers, narcotics & hightech? If so, then i guess those do deserve some nerfing (they behave different than the others)
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Post by: magellan on January 28, 2010, 05:48:52 pm
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Post by: kcwong on January 28, 2010, 07:31:46 pm
2) Just pricetag actually. But I guess it would not hurt telling the player the value. Will add thatQuote
But if the shop does not carry my current equipments, then I have no way to compare unless I remember the prices... but I see that you've already added this. Thanks!That said:
I do hope you know about the (T)actics command?
Eh... yes, I did read about it in either the FAQ or quick start guide before I started playing. But in all my newbie-ness I've forgot about it. :p2) you can take a look at a creatures hitpoints with 'x'. Compare this with your firearms/melee and you'll get a rough idea about how badly off you are.
Thank you BishopX.
Post by: Logical2u on January 28, 2010, 11:33:20 pm
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I guess I should try and do a pirate run next time.
Post by: kcwong on January 28, 2010, 11:48:11 pm
I landed on planet, and now I'm stuck! The ship sinks into mud faster than I can dig. There're monsters around that I cannot handle. How can I get out of there alive? :'(
Edit: Please don't tell me to find Master Yoda... (someone already slapped that joke in my face on another forum *twitch*)
Post by: Logical2u on January 29, 2010, 12:07:08 am
. There're monsters around that I cannot handle. How can I get out of there alive? :'(
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This is why you don't land on any "Brown" or unique planets until you are A: a high level or B: remember what they do...
Post by: kcwong on January 29, 2010, 12:18:51 am
I started a new game, found a destroyer and took it over. Then I accidentally fried my own team while using the on-ship AoE weapon on planet surface.
I have more questions:
I'm now the captain of an Explorer ship, and a crew of 5 (just got 2 red shirts killed). Half-way to the winning condition, and I still suck at both ship and personal combat!
Edit:
Spoiler: I won! (click to show/hide)
I had a few crashes when I returned to a base and talked to the guy there. Reloading and retrying seem to work, as I could turn in data and resources. It seems to involve quests, as in this game I can not open quest log (Q)... the game will show some pages of yellow text that flash past very fast, then quit itself.
Post by: Blaze on January 29, 2010, 07:45:46 am
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Post by: Micro102 on January 29, 2010, 01:41:19 pm
Post by: Blaze on January 29, 2010, 03:07:52 pm
Bet on a number, pick any number and bet the maximum amount (100), you'll win 3500 credits every time. Keep going and you'll eventually lose, then you can leave without being attacked; though you won't be able to go back in.
Post by: EuchreJack on January 29, 2010, 05:01:38 pm
0.1.10 Error #6 in 5764:EXPLORE_PLANET C:\Prospector\src\prospector.bas
0.1.10 Error #6 in 622:Savegame C:\Prospector\src\fileIO.bas
Now I'm contributing!
Post by: magellan on January 30, 2010, 06:43:52 am
Also all of your calendars are wrong.
Since i promised to release a "this is the current bughunt state" version on friday, and i just did do that, it must be friday now. There is no other explanation.
You can thank me for the long weekend later :)
Post by: kcwong on January 30, 2010, 07:15:48 am
Noticed one thing...
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On this watery planet, there're two kinds of aliens. One is a friendly herbivore, the other is an aggressive predator (immediately went hostile when I stepped near it). But only the herbivore can swim... the predators on this planet were all trapped to the tiny patches of land they were standing on.
While this would probably mean the death of my team, I think the predators should be able to swim too. :)
Edit: I missed a tile connecting the island below my ship. Maybe the herbivore can't swim either.
Edit 2: Seems to be a bug. I got into a fight on another planet, my gunner and pilot got killed. However when I went back to the space station, here's my @ and A screens:
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Here's the save and log:
http://www.box.net/shared/sobegoqcx5 (http://www.box.net/shared/sobegoqcx5)
Post by: magellan on January 30, 2010, 08:40:24 am
Thanks kcwong!
Already fixed and uploaded (the immortal redshirts & officers... they all thought they were captains.). Since only two folks have gotten 0.1.10a so far i just deleted the old and put the new one.
Post by: kcwong on January 30, 2010, 11:18:32 pm
I already downloaded the new 0.1.10a, and removed the previous version and saves before extracting it.
Spoiler: screenshots (click to show/hide)
Save and log uploaded: http://www.box.net/shared/5jry1exbi4 (http://www.box.net/shared/5jry1exbi4)
Edit:
Started a new game and docked a drifting explorer. The crystal hybrids on board killed everyone except my pilot... yet I still have gunner and science officer on A screen.
Edit 2:
Found another one: display of the system bar is off to one side. As seen in the screenshot, the scan/land selection was shown one tile to the right of the actual location. I can move the cursor left and right, and the planets and asteroids will appear in the gaps.
Spoiler: screenshot (click to show/hide)
Post by: magellan on January 31, 2010, 06:06:44 am
Post by: Knight Otu on January 31, 2010, 01:31:03 pm
0.1.10a Error #6 in 1117:GIVEQUEST C:\Prospector\src\quests.bas
Also, I seem to often get the message that the captain miraculously recovered when every member of the team was dead and the ship had already started.
Post by: Neonivek on January 31, 2010, 03:28:45 pm
Very wierd.... I just killed some guys and they stayed dead...
Odd, usually when I kill things in videogames they immediately come back to life. That is why I don't play shooters :D
Post by: Logical2u on January 31, 2010, 06:10:58 pm
0.1.10a ERROR #12 in -SPACESTATION C:\Prospector\src\prospector.bas
It's referencing the wrong location. I have the game in my documents, not where it's looking...
It crashed when I did a Transport Cargo mission and left 1 ton behind. However, upon reloading the save everything works again.
Edit: I feel like the game crashed after the Station Commander looked at my cargo. But I can't guarantee that.
Also, I seem to have a recurring issue with mining drills. Specifically, I'll pick one up off a dead awayteam, use it, leave the planet, and then it'll disappear before the next planet.
Post by: kcwong on January 31, 2010, 08:28:04 pm
Very wierd.... I just killed some guys and they stayed dead...
I downloaded 0.1.10a again and dead guys stay dead this time... so maybe I mixed the zip files up somehow.
Post by: magellan on January 31, 2010, 11:05:00 pm
Oh hey a bug...
0.1.10a ERROR #12 in -SPACESTATION C:\Prospector\src\prospector.bas
It's referencing the wrong location. I have the game in my documents, not where it's looking...
Nah, thats all right. That's where the file was when it was compiled (This is where you would find it on my computer) seems to confuse quite a few of people.
Otherwise thanks. will look into it.
Post by: kcwong on February 01, 2010, 09:54:21 am
My 10 red shirts each have over 100 XP each... but I don't really feel them getting stronger, and from my limited past experience, I can tell they are definitely not strong enough to tackle any of the robots or crystal hybrids.
Post by: magellan on February 01, 2010, 10:12:19 am
if roll>5+crew(a).hp^2 and crew(a).xp>0 then lev(a)+=1
Plain text that'd mean this:
Roll a number between 1 and the XP of the crewmember
If that number is higher than 5+crewmember HP^2 then level up.
So you need to roll 7 or better for a green to become veteran
11 or better for a veteran to become elite
Elite is the top tier.
Checks each time you dock, and since it's dependent on HPs Exosceletons or tough talent will increase the target number. But in the 100s? Redshirts definitely should get a level out of that if they aren't elite already.
Post by: kcwong on February 01, 2010, 10:22:03 am
On the other hand, my high ranking officers don't seem to be getting much XP despite their better guns. My captain is the same old 7HP with 8XP. I guess you can't learn much when you are not willing to get your hands dirty... :P
I have to stop farming for now though, since the bounty isn't very good and I have to pay for salary and fuel somehow.
Post by: Majestic7 on February 01, 2010, 11:08:34 am
A small suggestion:
How about making the retirement flexible instead of a set amount of credits as the limit? Something like this - you can retire on any station or inhabited planet you find. The result for the character depends on the amount of money he has and the place he chooses. So retiring with 30 credits on a space stations means you become a space janitor, with 500 k you retire to Earth and buy a mansion et cetera. Then there could be some kind of ultimate victory conditions (tm) for the really greedy tied to the special planets. Something like find the secret of immortality, become immortal and become the king of the planet of bikini bimbos.
Post by: Mohreb el Yasim on February 02, 2010, 02:01:18 pm
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Post by: magellan on February 02, 2010, 02:37:37 pm
Quote
Q: What are cryo chambers good for?
A: cryogenic chambers provide easy storage for people, just hire the additional crewmen to fill them.
Post by: Mohreb el Yasim on February 02, 2010, 02:55:29 pm
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/wiki/FAQcan you transport chambers from one ship to an other?QuoteQ: What are cryo chambers good for?
A: cryogenic chambers provide easy storage for people, just hire the additional crewmen to fill them.
Post by: Blaze on February 02, 2010, 02:57:49 pm
Post by: kcwong on February 02, 2010, 07:57:51 pm
Are those bugs, or are they expected? If they are bugs, do you need a save and log?
Post by: Logical2u on February 02, 2010, 09:01:35 pm
I've seen a bunch of warning text in yellow... including no. of errors fixed during galaxy generation, and that about removing non-existent items when first entering a map.
Are those bugs, or are they expected? If they are bugs, do you need a save and log?
I think the bugs in galaxy generation are things like gas clouds being on space stations or just placement errors (two planets on top of each other, etc)- they're going to be inherent in any procedurally generated world (just look at DF...).
The "ERROR: Failed to remove nonexistant item" bugs are... well, I think they're just that, bugs. Typically I get them first landing on planets after I scan them? I figure it's something to do with the terrain effects generating and absorbing minerals.
Any chance of throwing in binary star systems? I seem to recall only single-star systems. Might be able to represent them with the appropriately coloured %? Or some other obscure symbol.
Post by: Graven on February 03, 2010, 01:50:25 pm
Oh, and it's Windows 7.
Help?
Post by: kcwong on February 05, 2010, 11:47:13 pm
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7493/82871672.png)
I can buy fuel and ammo normally if the tanks are not full... so this is only a message problem when you can't buy more.
Also, it seems the A screen is not tall enough... when I have 20 crew, the captain and pilot are pushed out of the top of the screen, and the purple cursor can go up off the screen to select them.
Post by: kcwong on February 06, 2010, 10:02:06 pm
Unlike last time, my team is good enough to fight here. However I went through the caves and found an underground forest, but I can't find any brain inside.
Back on the surface I can see a light green & (which should be a suit of armor), surrounded by a *huge* amount of blue o's. Is that where the brain is, instead of being underground?
My oxygen and jet pack fuel supplys are not high - I can't find big aux. oxygen/jet pack fuel tanks anywhere the whole game, so that makes exploring much more difficult.
Post by: MrWiggles on February 10, 2010, 12:24:29 am
How do you see what your bought equipment is, and how do you set down a rover?
Post by: MrWiggles on February 10, 2010, 01:24:57 am
When trying to load a game from the main menu when you dont have a save game to load, results in a black screen!
For freaken ever.
Post by: kcwong on February 10, 2010, 02:02:11 am
Hrm...
How do you see what your bought equipment is
Press "e". On some screens the list will be placed next to other text, making it very painful to read. Alternatively, you can press "a" for the team screen, then press "s" (but don't actually assign anything).
how do you set down a rover?
Drop it and then leave the planet, return later to pick it back up. It won't start working while you're still there.
Post by: MrWiggles on February 11, 2010, 12:42:10 am
Post by: MrWiggles on February 11, 2010, 04:53:57 am
Post by: kcwong on February 11, 2010, 07:47:46 am
Why in the world is every step taking five O2 when I have lung improvement for all the crew members, where as for other play through its not like this. Am I missing a game mechanic here?
I think the amount of oxygen used is related to what terrain you're traveling over. It seems rough terrains cost more oxygen.
BTW, is magellan taking a break or is this project abandoned?
Post by: MrWiggles on February 11, 2010, 08:08:30 am
Why in the world is every step taking five O2 when I have lung improvement for all the crew members, where as for other play through its not like this. Am I missing a game mechanic here?
I think the amount of oxygen used is related to what terrain you're traveling over. It seems rough terrains cost more oxygen.
BTW, is magellan taking a break or is this project abandoned?
I'm not seeing any relation to that affect yet. In previous games, with improve lungs, and on rocky terrain, it was much less then now. I'll have to keep a further tab on it.
The Dever is still actively talking about the game on its own forum.
Post by: kcwong on February 11, 2010, 08:30:49 am
Post by: magellan on February 11, 2010, 09:37:06 am
And right now working through some Backlog caused by that :)
Anyway:
Couldnt reproduce the black screen on exiting the load game thing.
Oxygen use gets multiplied by gravity.
Post by: rdwulfe on February 20, 2010, 05:16:32 am
I'll drop by your own forums and give a shout at some point, this was just happened to come up on a google search, and I was going to post on here if no one else had, anyway.. so glad to see other DFers play Prospector, too.
Post by: Micro102 on February 22, 2010, 06:53:14 am
Post by: niltrias on February 22, 2010, 07:26:36 am
Post by: BishopX on February 22, 2010, 10:26:12 am
So, whats the improvement of this game based on when it was first posted like?
-More unique planets
-More interactivity with the wild life, you can talk to them, trade with them and capture them alive now
-Intelligent aliens now build houses and carry weapons
-Life as a pirate is a viable choice now
-Stock market
-A new officer position, ships doctor
-At two more types of crew members
-cybernetic implants
-A formalized experience system with skills.
-Quests
-A bunch of UI improvments and bug fixes
Post by: Monkeyvich on March 18, 2010, 01:43:40 pm
Game looks interesting, but the learning curve is steep.
Couple questions:
1) How do you buy stuff at the station? I went to trading, hit "buy", choose the goods, and it popped up something that looked like a request for a number of goods to buy....but none of my keys (I tried them all) would change the number from 0. I have a Japanese laptop (Japanese as in keyboard layout, not maker) so I suspect the problem may lie there...
2) What is the point of going to planets? They seem like a good way to get killed, but I haven`t found anything valuable there yet, despite racking up a large number of deaths from an impressive array of nasties. (from Angry Avian to Armed Reptile)
Definitely looks fun tho.
Hi guys.
Let me just say for starters: I am awed by this thread! I am very glad it seems that some people have fun with this little thing!
the number selection thingy: reacts to + / - key up key down, key left key right, and to typing in the numbers directly. But the problem may lie somewhere else: Only light transporters start with cargo space. (The game really could tell you that when you try to buy. It should. It will. soonish)
Why you should land on planets: well... it's your job :) Of course you can become a trader or a pirate too but those occupations can be quite hazardous as well.
Generally it is not the first time i heard the thing about the learning curve. Personally i got the feeling that it all falls into place quickly after some figuring out of what stuff does, but any suggestion on how i could improve that or hints at where the hurdles are would be most welcome!
Oh and there have been reports of people going blind after looking at the sourcecode. so you have been warned...
Magellan,
People keep saying that the game "Transcendence" was like Star Control II had a baby with Nethack.....
But really, Prospector is more like their child, Transcendence a distant nephew. XD
I am enjoying it immensely!
Monkeyboy
BTW.... I cannot keep my crews alive? Am I too bold in my explorations, or do redshirts have a 1-mission-life-expectancy????
Post by: MrWiggles on March 18, 2010, 04:05:49 pm
Post by: Akura on March 18, 2010, 04:13:19 pm
This game is fun. I like clearing a ship of crawling mushrooms by blasting a hole in the side of it. Kills them all almost instantly. Haven't tried it on insectiods, and it doesn't work on humanoid crewmen(or I haven't waited long enough for them to run out of oxygen in their suits).
Post by: Orkel on March 19, 2010, 03:50:45 pm
Post by: Neonivek on March 19, 2010, 06:45:23 pm
Is this game still being worked on? New stuff and features and such? It's too good to not develop further.
This is definately one of the roguelikes that REALLY deserve more publicity.
Post by: magellan on March 20, 2010, 07:40:30 am
But the world in general just didn't want me to work on it for a while:
2 HDs crashed, within a week, both times taking the most current code with them.
Prospector is now on my USB Stick, so it should be safer if i don't loose it. :)
And then I did this:
http://prospector.freeforums.org/7drl-competition-my-entry-t127.html
And that ate a little time as well
Giving myself a deadline of next tuesday right now.
Post by: Captain Mayday on March 20, 2010, 07:50:26 am
Gotta say this is one of the better roguelikes I've ever played, and definitely the most enjoyable one of its genre.
Keep up the good work.
Post by: Neonivek on March 20, 2010, 02:08:05 pm
Great to see this is still being developed. ;D
Gotta say this is one of the better roguelikes I've ever played, and definitely the most enjoyable one of its genre.
Keep up the good work.
Well it is almost the only Space Roguelike that actually tries to feel like a Sci-fi without becoming a space opera.
Post by: Tarran on March 20, 2010, 02:31:25 pm
The only thing that I think is not very nice is the fact that usually one alien can kill off even a well armed crew, what adds to that is that I don't think I've seen a single easy to kill alien!
also, spoiler on how to be more awesome, I hold no responsibility for whatever part of the game I ruin for anyone who reads it. :P
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
keep up the good work!
Well it is almost the only Space Roguelike that actually tries to feel like a Sci-fi without becoming a space opera.:P
Post by: Neonivek on March 20, 2010, 08:40:12 pm
Post by: UristMcGunsmith on March 20, 2010, 09:14:57 pm
Post by: Tarran on March 20, 2010, 10:26:32 pm
Sorry I meant a Space Soap Opera :P
:P
What's all this about Space Oprah?
Nothing, just me having fun. ;D
Post by: Ampersand on March 21, 2010, 11:56:42 am
Post by: Tarran on March 21, 2010, 02:38:45 pm
Post by: Xotes on March 21, 2010, 09:32:17 pm
So I'm going along in my awesome Merchantman making bucketloads of cash, and then pirates attack. So far, no big deal. I shoot down two in as many shots, and then I press capital A to check my gunner's stats. The encounter suddenly ends. And, yes, there were more pirates around.
All this new stuff is great, by the way.
Post by: magellan on March 22, 2010, 07:12:26 am
Post by: Captain Mayday on March 22, 2010, 09:48:27 am
Post by: Akura on March 22, 2010, 06:21:13 pm
Sadly, Google Image Search for "Space Oprah" does not yield anything hilarious.I only found this:
(http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/rde0413l.jpg)
Even then, it's not funny.
Post by: Saint on March 27, 2010, 06:35:48 pm
Like add new items, ship modules, creatures, etc...
Post by: Akura on March 27, 2010, 06:52:15 pm
Post by: Saint on March 27, 2010, 07:08:45 pm
Made destroyers seem more destroyer-y.
Post by: magellan on March 28, 2010, 05:14:38 am
There isn't a lot of stuff that prospector loads from data files (yes, i know, bad practice, but why should I write my own parser if i can use the compilers?)
...
Whats wrong with the destroyer stats anyway? :P
Post by: Saint on March 28, 2010, 08:48:00 am
Destroyer;20000;35;4;4;3;1;15;4;90;
my editations.
Destroyer;40000;35;4;4;4;0;10;6;120;
It just seems it should be more deadly to me.
6 weapon slots because then everything gets dead reak good, it allows toy to have weapons and some extra fuel maybe or sacrifice it for crew members.
Oh and you should let us either have remote rovers that can be controled and the team stay in the ship or let the captain stay in the ship that way I can just send my science officer, maybe doctor and security team out and if all elss fails, I can have them radio to get out. Anyway, great game I found a bug though with dieing on that planet that you get stuck to, I died and the ship took off but the captain recoverd somehow and I was able to leave and continue my marry way through the game, then I went to a station and when I went to buy stuff, I bought some medkits and hired some crew but then my personal gear stash was empty and the medkits were gone. :-\ Great game still, I love it, an advanced tutorial would be nice, or at least a key guide so I don't accidently shoot those friendly aliens to death.
Post by: Saint on March 28, 2010, 09:15:38 am
Post by: magellan on March 28, 2010, 10:05:56 am
Destroyer;40000;35;4;4;4;0;10;6;120;
Looks awfully similiar to my
Battleship 35000 40 5 5 4 2 20 5 100
;)
6 weapon slots of course will mess up the sidebar.
Anyway: It's been written in freebasic (www.freebasic.net)
There you would find the compiler you need. Of course if you add items and monsters, you also need to make the game generate those. (Monsters are set in planet.bas, items in items.bas)
actually you an command the rovers. Radio your ship and say "Rover:start" "rover:stop" or "rover:target" can't do it from orbit though, and you need to get the stuff they might find yourself (hmm... a rover that picks up stuff... could be a nice luxury item)
Earliest versions had it like that: If you died on a planet and had some guys left on the ship they would start and you could go on. I soon realized that that made you effectively immortal. (just always leave 1 guy behind) Therefore i don't think i will be expanding remote exploration again anytime soon.
Edit to add:
Just put out 0.1.11, halffinished and untested as it may be. See sig for link
Post by: Tarran on March 28, 2010, 01:02:28 pm
more aliens to shoot! (and die to!)
Post by: Saint on March 28, 2010, 02:21:32 pm
YourThanks for the link.
Destroyer;40000;35;4;4;4;0;10;6;120;
Looks awfully similiar to my
Battleship 35000 40 5 5 4 2 20 5 100
;)
6 weapon slots of course will mess up the sidebar.
Anyway: It's been written in freebasic (www.freebasic.net)
There you would find the compiler you need. Of course if you add items and monsters, you also need to make the game generate those. (Monsters are set in planet.bas, items in items.bas)
actually you an command the rovers. Radio your ship and say "Rover:start" "rover:stop" or "rover:target" can't do it from orbit though, and you need to get the stuff they might find yourself (hmm... a rover that picks up stuff... could be a nice luxury item)
Earliest versions had it like that: If you died on a planet and had some guys left on the ship they would start and you could go on. I soon realized that that made you effectively immortal. (just always leave 1 guy behind) Therefore i don't think i will be expanding remote exploration again anytime soon.
Edit to add:
Just put out 0.1.11, halffinished and untested as it may be. See sig for link
Oh hey I did see the battle ship in there, I just never noticed it until now. lol
I think radio commands should only work if you have a person in the ship, like the pilot. I usualy leave the pilot and gunner in the ship, and send the science guy, doctor,captain,and security off to explore. Maybe after you fight pirates you should dock with their ship, kill the survivors and be able to loot the ship, other wise pirate hunting is a very hard job because they don't pay you near enough for all the supplys you would need depending on where you go and such. This would also be nice for when you get killed in the space fight because then you still have a chance to fight off the pirates and maybe use their ship to get to a station.
Post by: magellan on March 29, 2010, 05:27:27 am
I thought about boarding, and figured it would make space combat rather tedious soon.
Post by: niltrias on March 29, 2010, 10:22:53 am
Post by: Ampersand on March 29, 2010, 11:09:20 am
But unless you didn't properly rename it at compilation or something, the zip file still contains 1.10a.
Also, contacting your ship by radio, and ordering the pilot to move it by remote control seems to be broken. The ship never lands again.
Post by: magellan on March 29, 2010, 11:42:55 am
Both things have been fixed and uploaded about 5 minutes ago. (and some display glitches as well)
Post by: Ampersand on March 29, 2010, 12:13:37 pm
Edit. It re-appeared after I left the planet and returned, though
Post by: magellan on March 29, 2010, 01:14:46 pm
found, fixed & uploaded.
Thanks ampersand!
Post by: Ampersand on March 29, 2010, 01:23:37 pm
Post by: LASD on March 29, 2010, 03:14:01 pm
On the plus side I found a lot of commands I didn't know about while I was desperately trying to find something that could save me.
Post by: slMagnvox on March 29, 2010, 04:45:19 pm
I found an abandoned spaceship planetside and when prompted to Attempt Repair (y/n)? any input besides Y would loop the message. Repairing the ship and when prompted to take control, again only Y was accepted input. Any other reply brought back the prompt.
In other words, once I moved onto a tile with an abandoned ship, the only outcome is to fully attempt repair and assume command of the new ship. Happened twice but neither time did repair fail so I don't know what happens then. I have remapped keys and the option that supplies any key as N on a Y/N prompt.
Keymap:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EDIT! Just realized I have a collision on the m key. Messages and Healing. Could be the culprit? I'll have another game or two later tonight.
2nd bug, I met a rival away team on a planet and their spaceship took off and stranded the rival away team. They had already done all their ore collection (Going for ore at X,Y) and were Returning to ship... when You hear a scoutship starting in the distance.. After their ship took off they kept spamming the Returning... message.
Had fun playing again! Saw my name in the help file (3rd bug! Remapped keys/arrow keys don't scroll help menu. Have to use number keys (2 and 8 ) to scroll the help screen) and figured I oughta give a bump to the thread and help along the development.
Thanks magellan!
Post by: Saint on March 29, 2010, 05:00:29 pm
Awsome.
Post by: dbfuru on March 29, 2010, 05:14:11 pm
Post by: Saint on March 29, 2010, 05:17:19 pm
Junker;100;3;0;1;1;2;5;0;75;JK;This piece of scrap is what you call @^#$ you made it out of a bunch of old ships from the scrap yards on your home planet, it's a real piece of crap but cheap.(price comes from tool and part fees.)
Lander;3000;3;0;2;3;3;3;0;80;LD;This is an old lander from the first planet explorations refitted for space travel.
You should have a choice to start with a ship or an extra 500 credits at the start for equipment, that way you could be prepaired a bit more but at the cost of only getting a piece of crap for your first ship as no ship costs less than 1000 as of this moment.
Post by: magellan on May 24, 2010, 02:52:21 pm
remember me?
If you dont, then maybe you remember prospector?
New version out, with an incredibly short changelog, considering the time it took to implement it!
it is here
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/
and this is what happened:
* customizable tile & textsizes, should fit even the most exotic display now
* new retirement system
* redid postmortem
* a new anomaly type
* new item: All-terrain landing gear
* some attempts at balancing
* some medium to major bugs squished
* some UI improvements
Post by: Ssiissuu on May 24, 2010, 03:29:15 pm
Post by: Tilla on May 24, 2010, 10:20:34 pm
Post by: niltrias on May 25, 2010, 01:20:50 am
Post by: Tarran on May 25, 2010, 01:26:20 am
Alright, back to dieing horribly!
Off to a good start! Died on my second planet I landed on.
Post by: magellan on May 25, 2010, 03:54:52 am
I take it you found the option to switch back to the old font tarran? (fixed size 16 then though)
Of course if you look into the graphics directory you would also find files called 8.bmp, 10.bmp etc, and somebody enterprise could pretty those up (And i would be only happy to share with the rest of the world :)
Post by: Tarran on May 25, 2010, 12:46:40 pm
Also: I had two copies of the same special planet in the same system, is that intentional?
Post by: magellan on May 25, 2010, 01:51:45 pm
I moved some of the more boring specials into a "happens a few times" category (And intend to move some more, as soon as that lazy brain of mine can think of more interesting ones)
Not sure if this is spoilery, but just in case: The no longer special planets would be these:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tilla on May 25, 2010, 01:56:30 pm
Post by: Tarran on May 25, 2010, 02:02:52 pm
are you certain its a special?
I moved some of the more boring specials into a "happens a few times" category (And intend to move some more, as soon as that lazy brain of mine can think of more interesting ones)
Not sure if this is spoilery, but just in case: The no longer special planets would be these:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm currently naming my ships "Fraxy[num]" (In tribute to Fraxy), I'm already to Fraxy8. Damn pirates. :P
Post by: quintin522 on May 25, 2010, 02:39:02 pm
Seems really hard to make money now without resorting to trading all the time. Resources and mapping just aren't worth much.I disagree. You just have to find one with a huge amount of resources. I once got 100k from resources alone on one run
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 25, 2010, 02:51:10 pm
But a question: So I'm on a planet and my pilot was killed. Seems I can't (l)aunch my ship, so what can I do? Is this just an extended death?
Post by: Tilla on May 25, 2010, 02:55:49 pm
Post by: Tarran on May 25, 2010, 03:00:26 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Alright, now for number 10.
Post by: mnjiman on May 25, 2010, 03:53:50 pm
then i saw it was a thread with 83 pages, and i was reading a year in the past..
I guess ill try the game out, is it still good?
Post by: Tilla on May 25, 2010, 04:08:57 pm
Post by: Tarran on May 25, 2010, 04:32:44 pm
anyone been able to survive the bloody anomalies? at least half my games end with a random gravity fluctuation or high energy wave it seems nowJust avoid their general area, you'll be safe.
Anyway, there's a alien artifact in the mountains, and I can't get to it.
WHHHHYYYYYYY?!
Edit: Nevermind, I got a drill, it wasn't worth it though. The artifact is nearly useless...
Post by: mnjiman on May 25, 2010, 08:28:21 pm
Post by: Tilla on May 25, 2010, 11:51:13 pm
anyone been able to survive the bloody anomalies? at least half my games end with a random gravity fluctuation or high energy wave it seems nowJust avoid their general area, you'll be safe.
Anyway, there's a alien artifact in the mountains, and I can't get to it.
WHHHHYYYYYYY?!
Edit: Nevermind, I got a drill, it wasn't worth it though. The artifact is nearly useless...
That would be great..if it were any specific area. It seems to happen anywhere and everyhwere.
Post by: Tarran on May 26, 2010, 12:13:26 am
Post by: Tilla on May 26, 2010, 02:09:47 am
Not for me, you just have to fly around them. If you lack the fuel to do that, then it's a problem on your side.
Nope, never lacking in fuel - sometimes it's right when I start.
It's also hard to fly around them as I can never see the anomalies in question.
Post by: Tarran on May 26, 2010, 02:13:50 am
They only spawn around other Anomalies, so if you avoid the visible ones than you should be safe.Not for me, you just have to fly around them. If you lack the fuel to do that, then it's a problem on your side.
Nope, never lacking in fuel - sometimes it's right when I start.
It's also hard to fly around them as I can never see the anomalies in question.
Post by: Akura on May 26, 2010, 07:44:48 am
This game needs orbital bombardment. >:(
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 26, 2010, 07:50:56 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also, how do you use containment fields that the arena planet sells you?
Post by: Saint on May 26, 2010, 08:00:44 am
is there a tile set graphic set for this? :PThe way things are set up you really couldn't have one.
It would be really hard even for me to draw tiles that small.
And I know a lot about fitting detail into very small places.
Post by: magellan on May 26, 2010, 08:37:48 am
spoilered to avoid window stretching:
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Post by: jocan2003 on May 26, 2010, 11:53:13 am
Post by: BishopX on May 26, 2010, 03:05:48 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on May 26, 2010, 05:34:44 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on May 26, 2010, 06:35:38 pm
Post by: Saint on May 26, 2010, 10:01:02 pm
I take it you missed the release of 0.1.12 2 days ago, saint :)So are you saying I should get drawing or what?
spoilered to avoid window stretching:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Because if I get the time I will unless I get that job I am applying for.
Post by: mnjiman on May 26, 2010, 10:49:01 pm
Prospector does look wonderful! As some said already, it does look like what I imagined the end game of Spore would look like (until they botched it up).
I just have issues with ASCCI graphics.
Post by: Megaman on May 26, 2010, 11:43:19 pm
Post by: magellan on May 27, 2010, 04:49:33 am
Of course I am hoping you are not going to be that volunteer, and get that job...
Post by: mnjiman on May 27, 2010, 06:03:34 am
Would you please elaborate why you have a problem with ASCII graphics?
You could sum it up by saying its just "personal preference" but I guess ill go into detail.
1) I would like to play a game where the work involved is playing the game and not trying to figure out what object is what every time I encounter it..
2) Ive found that at times some character graphics may look very similar too one another, and if you happen to get one confused with another it could mean the end of your game very easily.
3) It doesnt give any sense of what is currently in the game. Yes you can easily use your imagination, but if i wanted that I would just go use some paper and pens and draw something up.. In a game i would like at least some graphical nature to help me get directly involved in the game. When i first started playing dwarf fortress, I had this same sense at first as well. When i found out there was graphic tile sets people created, I dont want to go back if i dont have too to the original graphics. It basically made a great game even better.
Post by: BishopX on May 27, 2010, 12:58:23 pm
Would you please elaborate why you have a problem with ASCII graphics?
You could sum it up by saying its just "personal preference" but I guess ill go into detail.
1) I would like to play a game where the work involved is playing the game and not trying to figure out what object is what every time I encounter it..
2) Ive found that at times some character graphics may look very similar too one another, and if you happen to get one confused with another it could mean the end of your game very easily.
3) It doesnt give any sense of what is currently in the game. Yes you can easily use your imagination, but if i wanted that I would just go use some paper and pens and draw something up.. In a game i would like at least some graphical nature to help me get directly involved in the game. When i first started playing dwarf fortress, I had this same sense at first as well. When i found out there was graphic tile sets people created, I dont want to go back if i dont have too to the original graphics. It basically made a great game even better.
A rogue-like, you has one!
Post by: Saint on May 27, 2010, 06:37:57 pm
@Saint, thats actually the main thing missing: a volunteer, since i cant draw myself out of a wet paperbag.I will work on it when I get the chance, a size would be nice for me to work with like 32x32 pixles or 10x10 pixles or something.
Of course I am hoping you are not going to be that volunteer, and get that job...
Post by: magellan on May 27, 2010, 10:37:26 pm
Hmmm...
with 24x24 it already pretty much completely occupies my 1600x1200 screen, so I would say 24x24 is max, smaller would be better.
Of course your input on this topic is just as important as mine, saint.
Post by: BishopX on May 29, 2010, 09:36:28 am
Post by: Saint on May 29, 2010, 09:45:44 am
When I get time I will start some work, it would be nice if you could find someone elss as a back up though incase I can't.
Post by: exoleet on June 01, 2010, 09:29:15 pm
Help.
Post by: Tarran on June 01, 2010, 09:42:50 pm
I keep dying, a lot, even if I'm careful. Repairs and fuel cost so much, that I'm constantly on the brink of running out of money.Here's some tips, minor spoilers:
Help.
Don't go to most unique planets unless you are heavily equipped. Don't. Though there is one you will want to go to as soon as you find it, it won't last forever, so go there before it's gone.
ANY planet with native life is a place to avoid unless you are confident in your killing abilities.
Be VERY cautious when boarding drifting ships, humans are not the only thing you may encounter.
Jetpacks are a must. They make mining drills obsolete.
Don't enter caves.
Just because someone looks friendly doesn't mean they won't flip when you least expect it.
Just a few.
Post by: x2yzh9 on June 01, 2010, 09:45:19 pm
Post by: exoleet on June 01, 2010, 09:47:22 pm
I keep dying, a lot, even if I'm careful. Repairs and fuel cost so much, that I'm constantly on the brink of running out of money.Here's some tips, minor spoilers:
Help.
Don't go to most unique planets unless you are heavily equipped. Don't. Though there is one you will want to go to as soon as you find it, it won't last forever, so go there before it's gone.
ANY planet with native life is a place to avoid unless you are confident in your killing abilities.
Be VERY cautious when boarding drifting ships, humans are not the only thing you may encounter.
Jetpacks are a must. They make mining drills obsolete.
Don't enter caves.
Just because someone looks friendly doesn't mean they won't flip when you least expect it.
Just a few.
Jetpacks cost 600 each. I'm lucky if I have 100 at any one time.
Post by: Tarran on June 01, 2010, 09:49:31 pm
I keep dying, a lot, even if I'm careful. Repairs and fuel cost so much, that I'm constantly on the brink of running out of money.Here's some tips, minor spoilers:
Help.
Don't go to most unique planets unless you are heavily equipped. Don't. Though there is one you will want to go to as soon as you find it, it won't last forever, so go there before it's gone.
ANY planet with native life is a place to avoid unless you are confident in your killing abilities.
Be VERY cautious when boarding drifting ships, humans are not the only thing you may encounter.
Jetpacks are a must. They make mining drills obsolete.
Don't enter caves.
Just because someone looks friendly doesn't mean they won't flip when you least expect it.
Just a few.
Jetpacks cost 600 each. I'm lucky if I have 100 at any one time.
Compare it to the cost and extra time you need for drills and floating stuff, Jetpacks are a better bang for your buck, not to mention that they have an emergency jump function that might save your life if you are in deep shit.
Also, I hate to bring it up, but how do savescum when you die? Ie. when you get fucked up by a wormhole or anomoly field. Magelllan says there's a way to do it, but Task Managar doesn't really work. Try it, you'll see.Backup the save file. Put it back into the save folder if you die.
Post by: exoleet on June 01, 2010, 09:50:23 pm
I keep dying, a lot, even if I'm careful. Repairs and fuel cost so much, that I'm constantly on the brink of running out of money.Here's some tips, minor spoilers:
Help.
Don't go to most unique planets unless you are heavily equipped. Don't. Though there is one you will want to go to as soon as you find it, it won't last forever, so go there before it's gone.
ANY planet with native life is a place to avoid unless you are confident in your killing abilities.
Be VERY cautious when boarding drifting ships, humans are not the only thing you may encounter.
Jetpacks are a must. They make mining drills obsolete.
Don't enter caves.
Just because someone looks friendly doesn't mean they won't flip when you least expect it.
Just a few.
Jetpacks cost 600 each. I'm lucky if I have 100 at any one time.
Compare it to the cost and extra time you need for drills, Jetpacks are a better bang for your buck, not to mention that they have an emergency jump function that might save your life if you are in deep shit.
That doesn't solve the problem! I just keep dying to random events. I get jumped by a horde of insects while exploring a planet for resources, or I stumble into an unseen anomaly, or whatever. I just can't stay alive.
Post by: Tarran on June 01, 2010, 09:52:54 pm
Compare it to the cost and extra time you need for drills, Jetpacks are a better bang for your buck, not to mention that they have an emergency jump function that might save your life if you are in deep shit.
That doesn't solve the problem! I just keep dying to random events. I get jumped by a horde of insects while exploring a planet for resources, or I stumble into an unseen anomaly, or whatever. I just can't stay alive.
ANY planet with native life is a place to avoid unless you are confident in your killing abilities.Only go to planets with a 20 or less chance for life.
Another hint: The more dangerous the planet the more minerals it has.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 01, 2010, 10:41:46 pm
Another hint: The more dangerous the planet the more minerals it has.The planets that I found were the most mineral-laden were barren lifeless worlds that occasionally popped a magma pimple. One of the least dangerous threats in the universe.
Post by: Tarran on June 01, 2010, 10:53:41 pm
For me completely barren planets usually had only a few minerals, while dense corrosive inhabited planets had lots of minerals. Magma is dangerous. Just not that dangerous.Another hint: The more dangerous the planet the more minerals it has.The planets that I found were the most mineral-laden were barren lifeless worlds that occasionally popped a magma pimple. One of the least dangerous threats in the universe.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 01, 2010, 10:55:36 pm
Post by: magellan on June 02, 2010, 02:47:49 am
As was said before anomalies have a tendency to come in groups. And yes, you dont want to get near those with a l1 pilot.
Other hints for early game survival:
Lots of folks have found starting with a troop transport helpfull
JPs are for the midgame.
And then there is that one radio command, that is for some reason immensly popular.
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 02:50:30 am
And then there is that one radio command, that is for some reason immensly popular.Let me guess, is it one of these?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: magellan on June 02, 2010, 03:15:51 am
But yes, those 3.
Post by: Majestic7 on June 02, 2010, 06:27:12 am
Post by: Saint on June 02, 2010, 01:05:44 pm
I keep dying, a lot, even if I'm careful. Repairs and fuel cost so much, that I'm constantly on the brink of running out of money.Start with the scout.
Help.
Go right to the nearest planet system and just SCAN them.
Don't spend the beginning money yet.
Get money from flying to nearby areas and scanning them, only dock when you have to and collect as much data as possible.
Land on the completly barran planets and explore a bit, pick up rocks, turn on auto scan.
repeat until you cannot do so anymore and invest in supplys, maybe even trading.
Post by: exoleet on June 02, 2010, 01:10:19 pm
The issue with this game is that losing is not fun; It's so brutal that you are often killed without a chance for escape early on. Is there a way to save scum?
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 01:14:26 pm
Also, I hate to bring it up, but how do savescum when you die? Ie. when you get fucked up by a wormhole or anomoly field. Magelllan says there's a way to do it, but Task Managar doesn't really work. Try it, you'll see.Backup the save file. Put it back into the save folder if you die.
Post by: exoleet on June 02, 2010, 01:39:12 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 02, 2010, 01:40:25 pm
Exploring gives a bunch of credits and if you scan every plant you possibly can you occasionally run into "exceptional" plants.
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 01:42:25 pm
I'm getting the hang of safely exploring and extracting minerals, but now pirates gank me. What do?Run if you can, fire back while running, get a better weapon/ship/shields. Best I can think of, pirates usually kill me more than I would want them to.
Post by: exoleet on June 02, 2010, 02:18:30 pm
Come, which lets you move it to a different location on a planet.
Fire, which lets you use it's guns against creatures on a planet.
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 02:25:28 pm
I just figured out the radio system for the ship. If you press r while on a planet, and are within radio range of the ship, you can give it orders.Land, allows you to select where you want to move your ship to.
Come, which lets you move it to a different location on a planet.
Fire, which lets you use it's guns against creatures on a planet.
Help, gives a response.
Never knew the Come command. Can you chose where your ship lands?
Post by: Fikes on June 02, 2010, 02:40:42 pm
I gave up on this game after dying over and over and getting frustated. Even exploring planets with 10% chance of life isn't safe, they appear out of no where and kill the shit out of you. RAGE
Any place you can find a good list of the average costs for goods? What is low and what is high?
Post by: exoleet on June 02, 2010, 02:42:38 pm
Do you have to have a satalite for those commands to work?
I gave up on this game after dying over and over and getting frustated. Even exploring planets with 10% chance of life isn't safe, they appear out of no where and kill the shit out of you. RAGE
Any place you can find a good list of the average costs for goods? What is low and what is high?
It works without the Sattelite, but I think it increase the range of the ship's radio.
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 02:43:52 pm
Do you have to have a satalite for those commands to work?Nope, just a clean signal to the ship. Satellites help by allowing you a clean connection no matter where you are (unless you are in a cave). Though your pilot can screw up by crashing into it when leaving a planet, thus destroying the satellite.
EDIT: Ninja.
Post by: exoleet on June 02, 2010, 03:13:21 pm
Quote
Radio Commands
Q: What are the commands for (R)adioing the ship
A: One is "Hello" wich is answered with "Yes?" And more I will not tell you. Except that there are currently 10 (including the above).
Q: Any hints?
A: Your communications satellite can do more than just relay messages. 2 Commands are a bit redundant, one is suicidal and the remaining too aren't too practical, though they can be fun.
Q: Anything else on radio commands?
A: There are 3 commands if you got a rover on the planet: rover start, rover stop and rover target.
We must figure out all of the radio commands. They seem like they could be fun.
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 03:14:33 pm
I'll give it a shot.
EDIT: Found one, "Shoot". Works like Fire.
Post by: exoleet on June 02, 2010, 03:17:07 pm
We know 5 of 10, so we have to be witty to find new ones.
I'll give it a shot.
I only know the three. Post them all? :O
I don't think redundant ones count as individual commands.
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 03:20:10 pm
Fire/Shoot/Nuke. Self explanatory. Fires gun.
Help. Gives a response.
Come/Land. Self explanatory.
Come on, give me some help here.
EDIT: Found Nuke.
Post by: exoleet on June 02, 2010, 03:24:36 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 03:26:45 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 03:30:15 pm
You can say "Launch". It gives you a y/n prompt, if you say yes, you will die.
Post by: exoleet on June 02, 2010, 03:32:34 pm
Post by: Tilla on June 02, 2010, 03:36:34 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 03:37:16 pm
There's a 'Smoke' command If I recallIt doesn't work for me.
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 03:44:50 pm
Fire/Fired/Shoot/Nuke
Help
Hello
Satellite/Satellites/Scan
Launch
That's ten. Let's hope the redundant ones don't count. Otherwise that's all the commands.
Post by: Tilla on June 02, 2010, 08:52:55 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 09:06:46 pm
Even with all the tips I can't really get anywhere anymore without dying. Which is a shape since I was a huge fan early on :/ It seems to be falling into the old roguelike trap of confusing satisfying challenge with retarded and seemingly random failure, which is discouraging to most players.Just be paranoid and cautious, you'll rarely die.
Post by: Tilla on June 02, 2010, 09:08:51 pm
Even with all the tips I can't really get anywhere anymore without dying. Which is a shape since I was a huge fan early on :/ It seems to be falling into the old roguelike trap of confusing satisfying challenge with retarded and seemingly random failure, which is discouraging to most players.Just be paranoid and cautious, you'll rarely die.
Tell that to my dozens of crews :P
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 09:21:54 pm
Well, you're doing it wrong! You're supposed to have hundreds of dead crews!Even with all the tips I can't really get anywhere anymore without dying. Which is a shape since I was a huge fan early on :/ It seems to be falling into the old roguelike trap of confusing satisfying challenge with retarded and seemingly random failure, which is discouraging to most players.Just be paranoid and cautious, you'll rarely die.
Tell that to my dozens of crews :P
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 02, 2010, 09:44:18 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2010, 10:01:34 pm
Will launch kill you if you are on the same tile as the ship? Seems like a good way of solving the dead pilot problem.Yes, it will kill you.
Post by: Rakonas on June 02, 2010, 10:07:11 pm
Will launch kill you if you are on the same tile as the ship? Seems like a good way of solving the dead pilot problem.Never bring your pilot with you. If you do you can't have him pick you up while your fatal miscalculation has doomed you to be unable to reach the ship in time by one tile.
Post by: Saint on June 02, 2010, 10:31:31 pm
My team is captain, science officer, medical and soldiers.
Though I wish we could leave captain on the ship maybe if we had a "cheater" mode that allowed us to select options like that...
Then I could have captain,pilot and gunner on the ship and if we had to, leave the away team to die on the planet.
Splitting them into squads could be a nice feature too.
Squad one goes in and kills stuff, secures area w/e.
squad two goes and collects the data from the area secured.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 03, 2010, 02:56:44 am
Honestly, I only dock when I need to hire a new pilot.
Post by: BishopX on June 03, 2010, 09:40:03 am
Will launch kill you if you are on the same tile as the ship? Seems like a good way of solving the dead pilot problem.Never bring your pilot with you. If you do you can't have him pick you up while your fatal miscalculation has doomed you to be unable to reach the ship in time by one tile.
You don't actually need to have the pilot on board to move the ship. You can do that via radio. When I"m running low on oxygen I always make the ship meet me halfway.
The other really big defensive trick is to leave your tactics on defensive unless you're about to blow something away. It makes the giant cave bears leaping out and devouring your red shirts much less costly.
In other news, does anyone know how to solve this situation?
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Post by: magellan on June 03, 2010, 09:40:30 am
Another thing nobody is ever going to realize its in there
Soon merchants will avoid anomalies and gas clouds and have funny routes like this:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2liegid.jpg)
@Duke 2.0
Are you certain you can't start with a dead pilot? Launching never checked for crew, and I havent touched that part. What exactly is happening?
@BishopX
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Post by: Saint on June 03, 2010, 11:40:14 am
And I died on the way back in to find what I missed because I explored and lost too much oxygen to get back home.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 03, 2010, 12:06:16 pm
Post by: exoleet on June 03, 2010, 12:21:42 pm
I'm currently doing an archaelogical exploration of a pyramid I find on a cold, mountainous planet.
Post by: magellan on June 03, 2010, 01:40:58 pm
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Post by: BishopX on June 03, 2010, 02:26:29 pm
Also, my save file is over 25 megs so gmail and yahoo don't like sending it. Any idea if it will survive zipping?
Post by: magellan on June 03, 2010, 02:52:44 pm
Also just checked: That tile has no Hitpoints (as it should) and is indestructable.
Post by: Tarran on June 03, 2010, 02:59:13 pm
I might have blown it up ???Ah, we all have our "I probably shouldn't have blown that up" moments.
Post by: exoleet on June 03, 2010, 05:25:09 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: BishopX on June 03, 2010, 09:17:46 pm
@ exoleet
It can be sold on certain planets
Post by: Rakonas on June 03, 2010, 09:34:10 pm
You can hang it on your ship as a souvenir of your adventures.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: magellan on June 04, 2010, 01:07:07 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 04, 2010, 01:09:41 pm
Too bad that guy is dead.
Also: Yay, new version!
Post by: alfie275 on June 04, 2010, 01:44:59 pm
I assume you store things as derived classes in a container of pointers to the base class? Do you just type cast them to access any added non-baseclass members of the derived classes?
Post by: magellan on June 04, 2010, 01:51:53 pm
Just lists containing objects and a global variable telling where the list ends.
Its all very primitive :)
Edit to add:
I hope nobody minds me asking, but:
Does anybody have feedback on the retirement storys? Anybody gotten "run to andromenda" yet? Or even "War in the magellanic clouds"? anything? ???
Post by: The Scout on June 10, 2010, 02:35:31 pm
Post by: BishopX on June 10, 2010, 09:42:21 pm
Post by: Orb on June 11, 2010, 06:48:08 am
I saved the file incase you want to see it.
"Edit" Also, there is nothing explaining dense atmosphere/heavy gravity affecting landings in the manual. Also, I cant seem to repair my hull. I enter a number and press enter, nothing. Maybe im going about it the wrong way.
Post by: magellan on June 11, 2010, 08:04:57 am
As for the gravity & atmosphere thing:
I would have thought that that one is rather obvious. As obvious as you cant breathe in exotic atmospheres.
Post by: The Scout on June 11, 2010, 11:15:17 am
blows up the planet (more or less). Watch the video on the google code site.Well I'm dead now.
Edit:I'm stuck on a planet with no way to get to my ship or contact it. Friggin meteors. Earthlike atmosphere and no animals.
Post by: Saint on June 11, 2010, 12:05:14 pm
What do the ancient alien bombs do?How do you get one?
I really want to blow up a few of these planets.
Post by: BishopX on June 11, 2010, 01:20:27 pm
Post by: Deon on June 15, 2010, 12:08:42 pm
P.S. I would like to volunteer to draw tiles for the game :). Could you work on the graphical side please? I already have a few version for the current release, I would like to be able to make 32x32 or at least 16x16 tiles.
P.P.S. I was able to use tiles.bmp before... How do I do it now?
Post by: Deon on June 15, 2010, 12:18:10 pm
Just spent an afternoon implementing something like pathfinding.That looks cool. Any chance to have refuel depots and space bars in cross-sections of such routes in the future? It would add to the atmosphere a lot :).
Another thing nobody is ever going to realize its in there
Soon merchants will avoid anomalies and gas clouds and have funny routes like this:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2liegid.jpg)
@Duke 2.0
Are you certain you can't start with a dead pilot? Launching never checked for crew, and I havent touched that part. What exactly is happening?
@BishopXSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Orb on June 15, 2010, 01:41:20 pm
Savegame would be helpful
As for the gravity & atmosphere thing:
I would have thought that that one is rather obvious. As obvious as you cant breathe in exotic atmospheres.
Sorry for the delay, but I must have hit "t" instead of "y" for save. Silly stuff. I played the game for a while and never encountered the bug again.
Also, you mentioned a "way" while back that you wanted to dampen the learning curve. I didnt realise the gravity/atmosphere thing for a while. I could also mention some other things that took me a while to figure out, if ya likes.
By the way, really like the game. :)
Just spent an afternoon implementing something like pathfinding.That looks cool. Any chance to have refuel depots and space bars in cross-sections of such routes in the future? It would add to the atmosphere a lot :).
Another thing nobody is ever going to realize its in there
Soon merchants will avoid anomalies and gas clouds and have funny routes like this:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2liegid.jpg)
@Duke 2.0
Are you certain you can't start with a dead pilot? Launching never checked for crew, and I havent touched that part. What exactly is happening?
@BishopXSpoiler (click to show/hide)
That would be cool, expecially if it didnt count as a mission. Then you wouldnt have to choose between entering a gas giant for fuel(if you can find one) or entering the station and going bankrupt. Trust me, I went bankrupt once. :P
Post by: Deon on June 15, 2010, 01:58:52 pm
Post by: Orb on June 15, 2010, 03:58:01 pm
I have yet to figure out what lowering standard wages does besides saving you some quick bucks. Does it increase the chances for retirement for your crew members?
Post by: BishopX on June 15, 2010, 05:10:06 pm
Post by: magellan on June 16, 2010, 01:57:06 pm
I was thinking that merchant captains would sell their sensor data for a particular leg for a few credits in bars.
Of course, such "Space truck stops" would be fun too, but they shouldnt make it too easy. Maybe they could charge exorbitant 3 credits per ton of fuel. There also could be a chance of "Something has happened"
...
Hmmm....
Post by: BishopX on June 16, 2010, 04:00:00 pm
In the long term the introduction of more entities is going to require some fundamental questions about how the game universe operates. Right now we're in a sector full of ancient ruins which are being exploited by 3 mega corporations. There are merchants who trade between the corps, pirates of prey on the merchants and pirate hunters(mostly corporate) who prey on the pirates. This whole setup is fueled by the bunches of cyberneticaly engineered mercenaries who fetishize alien artifacts and walk around surrounded by cheerful octopi (I am of course referring to the eponymous prospectors). In this setting independent "truck stops" don't really make sense (why wouldn't they be bought out by the mega corps? How are they really different from the space stations?).
Magellan has already mentioned that he is adding in much more active, ftl capable, aliens. It seems like this might be a good time to expand the "universe" a bit. By shrinking the current game rectangle down to say 1/2 is current size and calling it "human" space, where most of the stars position are known, if not freely available, and there is a strong corporate presence. There might still be some pirate fleets here hiding in gas clouds and anomalies, but not many. Outside of this rectangle there would be eight other rectangles arranged around it. These would be full of pirates, aliens and independent colonies. Most of the real money in the game would be earned by venturing out of corporate controlled areas. Either via exploration, trading between the tiny colonies or fighting/stealing from all comers. In this setup it would make sense for there to be merchant owned "truck stops" away from the corporate influence. Some might even let pirates dock. All of this will move the game away from the mining and exploration and into meeting new races, finding cool crap and navigating among slightly less monolithic power structures. I think this outcome will make the game a little happier (It's really rather dark right now).
Post by: Deon on June 16, 2010, 04:27:39 pm
Interesting Idea, Deon & Orb.Bar fights! :D
I was thinking that merchant captains would sell their sensor data for a particular leg for a few credits in bars.
Of course, such "Space truck stops" would be fun too, but they shouldnt make it too easy. Maybe they could charge exorbitant 3 credits per ton of fuel. There also could be a chance of "Something has happened"
...
Hmmm....
Also, I've made 24x32 tiles for you to test. I would really love to see the game in 24x32. It wouldn't make it too huge as 32x32 and also allow a good amount of detail for the game to look beautiful.
Scout, long range fighter, light transport, troop transport, pirate ship:
(http://i.piccy.info/i5/39/81/218139/scout.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/42/81/218142/longrangefighter.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/45/81/218145/lighttransport.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/49/81/218149/trooptransport.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/50/81/218150/pirate.png)
Post by: Blacken on June 16, 2010, 04:32:46 pm
Short term I think the easiest way to do "truck" stops would be to allow colonies to sell fuel, in the same way the pirate bases do, although probably for more money. Of course not all (or possibly none?) of the colonies are known to the merchants at the start of the game, so as the player sells knowledge of the colonies to the corporations the routes might have to be re-calculated. This is probably too processor intensive though.
Really? Every game engine I've ever worked with could do something that trivial on the fly. Work-with-what-you-know isn't really all that weird.
I dig what Prospector's trying to do quite a lot. Not really very playable for me at present, but I'm keeping an eye on it to see how it progresses.
Post by: Tarran on June 16, 2010, 04:35:15 pm
They look nice, but the colors are not quite sharp enough for me. I mean, with their size it's somewhat hard to distinguish features.Interesting Idea, Deon & Orb.Bar fights! :D
I was thinking that merchant captains would sell their sensor data for a particular leg for a few credits in bars.
Of course, such "Space truck stops" would be fun too, but they shouldnt make it too easy. Maybe they could charge exorbitant 3 credits per ton of fuel. There also could be a chance of "Something has happened"
...
Hmmm....
Also, I've made 24x32 tiles for you to test. I would really love to see the game in 24x32. It wouldn't make it too huge as 32x32 and also allow a good amount of detail for the game to look beautiful.
Scout, long range fighter, light transport, troop transport, pirate ship:
(http://i.piccy.info/i5/39/81/218139/scout.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/42/81/218142/longrangefighter.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/45/81/218145/lighttransport.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/49/81/218149/trooptransport.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/50/81/218150/pirate.png)
Post by: Deon on June 16, 2010, 04:54:48 pm
Post by: Deon on June 16, 2010, 05:06:43 pm
(http://i.piccy.info/i5/49/81/218149/trooptransport.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/79/82/218279/trooptransport2.png)
I tried to make it more saturated and add contrast with different colors.
Post by: Tarran on June 16, 2010, 05:12:28 pm
http://www.bythom.com/sharpening.htm
Here's your scout run under a sharpening filter, and not run under sharpening. I used photoshop's un-sharp mask, Amount 100, Radius 2 pixels:
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8642/sharpeneddeonsscout.png)(http://i.piccy.info/i5/39/81/218139/scout.png)
Prepostedit:
Did you mean something like this?Little too much.
(http://i.piccy.info/i5/49/81/218149/trooptransport.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/79/82/218279/trooptransport2.png)
I tried to make it more saturated and add contrast with different colors.
Post by: Deon on June 16, 2010, 05:29:57 pm
Quote
Little too much.Maybe, but note how the color range and brightness make it to appear much more "vivid".
Here's an example of a more "vivid" although more "arcade-like" light transport:
(http://i.piccy.info/i5/42/83/218342/lighttransport3.png)
Post by: Tarran on June 16, 2010, 05:32:51 pm
(http://i.piccy.info/i5/22/83/218322/scout2.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/32/83/218332/longrangefighter2.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/34/83/218334/lighttransport2.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/35/83/218335/trooptransport2.png) (http://i.piccy.info/i5/37/83/218337/pirate2.png)Much nicer. I can literally see the individual pixels now.QuoteLittle too much.Maybe, but note how the color range and brightness make it to appear much more "vivid".
Post by: Deon on June 16, 2010, 05:34:09 pm
Post by: magellan on June 17, 2010, 12:47:34 pm
Of course life is cheap in prospector, but there might be cargo on those ships :)
Post by: Orb on June 17, 2010, 04:38:40 pm
Interesting Idea, Deon & Orb.
I was thinking that merchant captains would sell their sensor data for a particular leg for a few credits in bars.
Of course, such "Space truck stops" would be fun too, but they shouldnt make it too easy. Maybe they could charge exorbitant 3 credits per ton of fuel. There also could be a chance of "Something has happened"
...
Hmmm....
3 credits sounds a tad too expencive. I mean, it be cheaper for a while(depending on your play style) to just pay the mission fee. Plus, its not like you can gain income from these depots, so you would eventually have to dock at a station or else run out of money to pay for fuel. Maybe 2 credits per fuel?
Also, are you eventually planning on creating a dynamic trading system? Such as the more stuff a station has, the cheaper it is? Perhaps stations create the more advanced goods, and planets create the simple goods, like food? So you could run trade routes from planets to stations, but not indefinately, and you would have competition fromm regular merchants.
Finely, I seem to be confused on how pirating works. You start with a ship that cant detect merchant ships, but the only way you can make money is selling materials at way too cheap prices. I think im going about it the wrong way...
"Edit" Like the sprites deon.
Post by: BishopX on June 17, 2010, 05:57:59 pm
Post by: Deon on June 17, 2010, 06:59:27 pm
It's used in many good space-rpg games and adds to the gameplay. Could you make something like this with time?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 17, 2010, 07:08:04 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 17, 2010, 07:08:48 pm
Post by: magellan on June 17, 2010, 10:34:17 pm
Also, are you eventually planning on creating a dynamic trading system? Such as the more stuff a station has, the cheaper it is? Perhaps stations create the more advanced goods, and planets create the simple goods, like food? So you could run trade routes from planets to stations, but not indefinately, and you would have competition fromm regular merchants.
This gets asked quite regularly, and always makes me go ???
Supply and demand. Yeah. Thats how prices are set. Have been set like that from ... erm... when I first put "Trading" into the space station menu.
Now, What am I supposed to do again? ;)
Post by: x2yzh9 on June 17, 2010, 11:17:26 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 17, 2010, 11:20:43 pm
Oh, and be sure to add lots of destructible objects. Gotta have them.
Post by: Orb on June 17, 2010, 11:53:18 pm
Also, are you eventually planning on creating a dynamic trading system? Such as the more stuff a station has, the cheaper it is? Perhaps stations create the more advanced goods, and planets create the simple goods, like food? So you could run trade routes from planets to stations, but not indefinately, and you would have competition fromm regular merchants.
This gets asked quite regularly, and always makes me go ???
Supply and demand. Yeah. Thats how prices are set. Have been set like that from ... erm... when I first put "Trading" into the space station menu.
Now, What am I supposed to do again? ;)
Really? I guess I never noticed it. It seems like all the stations have the same priced goods....of course, I havent really bothered with the trading direction.
Also, I noticed an exploit. While its certainly not fun.....its still an exploit. Basically, when you press that one button(I forget :P) to "pass" a turn, your mining robots mine. But you use no fuel. Or 02 if your on land. So, basically you could get infinate money using mining drones if you got an hour.
[This may already be in and I havent noticed]
Perhaps mining robots should eventualy exhaust an area of minerals, and have to be moved. Eventually, the entire planet surface will be strip mined, and you will have to move your bots to another area. To take it a step further, perhaps certain areas are more rich in minerals, and are mined faster. You would detect these with a new device, like a "analizer", which would cost like, say, 2k?. Then it would work with the inspect command, informing you of deposits.
Finely, it be cool if you could pick the map size. Large sectors, small sectors, so on.
Post by: Run Comrades on June 18, 2010, 06:38:16 am
Anyhow a quick search didn't bring it up, though I thought I reported a bug (at least I think it's a bug) about this before.
I've got a really great pirate game going again (always playing pirate, just can't get enough of it!) and I ran into the problem that one of my last good pirate games had.
I'm not sure what's causing it, but all of a sudden there are no merchant lines anywhere to be found. My old hotspots are dead, and I can't seem to find any traffic anywhere.
Well besides maybe
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Has anyone else playing pirates run into this problem?
It's such a bad time too because I finally have my ship upgraded, staffed up, and armed with
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
One of my hunches is that it has something to do with docking with
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Anyhow I'll send the savefile too, if you want to take a look at it. :)
Post by: BishopX on June 18, 2010, 01:38:55 pm
Also, are you eventually planning on creating a dynamic trading system? Such as the more stuff a station has, the cheaper it is? Perhaps stations create the more advanced goods, and planets create the simple goods, like food? So you could run trade routes from planets to stations, but not indefinately, and you would have competition fromm regular merchants.
This gets asked quite regularly, and always makes me go ???
Supply and demand. Yeah. Thats how prices are set. Have been set like that from ... erm... when I first put "Trading" into the space station menu.
Now, What am I supposed to do again? ;)
This is broken on the pirate planets, I'm not sure about the station. It only updates prices on save load. I consider these a feature becasue otherwise the pirate prices get nuked into oblivion by the players continual selling. If there was a way to move goods from a pirate planet into the legal trade route, such as cargo laundering at a colony, this might not be a problem.
Post by: Deon on June 18, 2010, 01:52:36 pm
Post by: Little on July 11, 2010, 02:07:45 am
Post by: Neonivek on July 11, 2010, 02:34:29 am
Sad bump :/
What? don't be sad, be happy!
If only the doctors came with anti-depressant skills
Post by: magellan on July 11, 2010, 11:24:56 am
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/downloads/list
I hope to turn it into non-preview by the end of the week (Mainly depending on the heat. Makes my brains dribble out the ears, and thats always such a mess, it keeps me busy cleaning up the place)
Post by: x2yzh9 on July 11, 2010, 03:43:28 pm
Post by: magellan on July 11, 2010, 07:02:52 pm
+ some miscelaneous small stuff.
Post by: Tarran on July 11, 2010, 07:26:51 pm
Also:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: magellan on July 11, 2010, 09:21:26 pm
thanks
And yes, that is their standard armament. Whats wrong with it? (Those are not the new space faring aliens. The new ones are a bit more varied as to ship design, weapons, and fleet composition)
Post by: Tarran on July 11, 2010, 09:27:30 pm
And yes, that is their standard armament. Whats wrong with it? (Those are not the new space faring aliens. The new ones are a bit more varied as to ship design, weapons, and fleet composition)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Orb on July 11, 2010, 09:33:12 pm
And yes, that is their standard armament. Whats wrong with it? (Those are not the new space faring aliens. The new ones are a bit more varied as to ship design, weapons, and fleet composition)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
They're an advanced civilization. Scouts are probably expected to encounter dangerous lifeforms. Their larger ships -would- be even more deadly. Its like complaining that infantry today have assault rifles but in the 1800s they has muskets. Not the best comparison, but you get the point.
Post by: Tarran on July 11, 2010, 09:35:56 pm
Actually, it would be complaining that your enemy has repeating rocket launchers when you've only got repeating pistols.And yes, that is their standard armament. Whats wrong with it? (Those are not the new space faring aliens. The new ones are a bit more varied as to ship design, weapons, and fleet composition)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
They're an advanced civilization. Scouts are probably expected to encounter dangerous lifeforms. Their larger ships -would- be even more deadly. Its like complaining that infantry today have assault rifles but in the 1800s they has muskets. Not the best comparison, but you get the point.
Post by: magellan on July 11, 2010, 09:37:22 pm
A warship would be more like "The Vorlons are using their planet killer"
Post by: Tarran on July 11, 2010, 09:41:46 pm
Also: Dieing to anyone but pirates in a space battle (like the aliens we've been talking about) always leads to "Died while trying to be a pirate". Which makes no sense.
Post by: Vertigon on July 12, 2010, 02:21:01 am
Post by: niltrias on July 12, 2010, 03:00:40 am
The main new thing is alien spacefaring civilisations.
+ some miscelaneous small stuff.
Hooray!
Sounds awesome!
Post by: magellan on July 12, 2010, 06:56:09 am
I think AT MAX they should have X-Ray lasers. I mean, a single X-Ray is already quite powerful. I'd consider Disintegrators overkill if I were the designer of the scouts.
Also: Dieing to anyone but pirates in a space battle (like the aliens we've been talking about) always leads to "Died while trying to be a pirate". Which makes no sense.
I just renamed them "ancient alien scout ships" (It was indeed alien scout ship) you know what? I'll leave out the scout thing too! How would you know what it's original purpose was anyway? Ancient alien ship. You are right, Tarran, their current name is misleading.
Anyway: thats the reason they have disintegrators: because that was the weapon of choice of their civilisation
and for those who don't know why they are there in the first place:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Lordinquisitor on July 30, 2010, 01:27:16 pm
Post by: magellan on August 02, 2010, 09:29:03 am
Ha! My necromancy powers are unparalleled.
Anyway i thought some folks here might want to know this: 0.1.13 is availiable for download. And I think i found and fixed the ghost doctor bug, and some others. Enjoy!
Post by: Deon on August 02, 2010, 09:58:25 am
Post by: Cheese on August 02, 2010, 11:20:29 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 02, 2010, 11:23:45 am
Post by: Tarran on August 02, 2010, 02:15:41 pm
Anyway, keep up the good work.
Post by: BishopX on August 02, 2010, 04:46:16 pm
Post by: magellan on August 02, 2010, 05:48:45 pm
yeah meteroids are either none at all or all the time. Must take a look if I did anything there, and just can't remember :)
Post by: AnalysisFailed on August 04, 2010, 12:04:53 am
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Post by: Orb on August 04, 2010, 09:03:07 am
Is there any way to repair your ship once you've gotten rid of all the pirates and the space stations have mysteriously disappeared?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If I understand what your asking....some planets have a shipyard, which can repair your ship(the last version, havent got this version yet). It should, anyway. Makes sense. Its sort of like the pirate shipyard but with less bars, and pirates.
Post by: AnalysisFailed on August 04, 2010, 12:01:15 pm
Is there any way to repair your ship once you've gotten rid of all the pirates and the space stations have mysteriously disappeared?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If I understand what your asking....some planets have a shipyard, which can repair your ship(the last version, havent got this version yet). It should, anyway. Makes sense. Its sort of like the pirate shipyard but with less bars, and pirates.
Yeah, I found one of those, no repair building though, luckily, I found "my" pirate villa, and it's friendly enough to do some repairs.
I edited my message to that effect this morning, but apparently my internet cut out when I posted.
Post by: Jetman123 on August 18, 2010, 03:42:25 pm
It's just frustrating to play now. I don't know what's up with this, but eight times in a row now I've been mobbed and killed by indeginous life that have killed me in one or two combat rounds. Oftentimes I don't have time to do anything but stand there and watch as every single one of my personnell is knocked out in one hit. I can never kill anything without casualties.
Eventually I just resorted to ship bombardment to sterilize the planet of life, but there were so many of them... ugh. I know it was somewhat like that before, but at least the mobs of life didn't kill you in one combat round.
Worse, just standing in proximity to one - even a herbivore - will make it go aggressive and ruthlessly attack you. Always. All the time. No exceptions, unless it's sentient. Then there's a slight delay.
I want to get one of those bloody alien bombs and blow the everlasting crap out of these life-filled worlds. A lot less aggravation for me.
Fix that. _Please_. Your game was hard enough.
Edit: To clarify, I don't have a problem with dying, I have a problem with dying to creatures that kill me in one round. I need to have a chance at victory - some way to turn the tide. At least let me hit a button a few times to make myself feel better.
Post by: AnalysisFailed on August 19, 2010, 01:14:16 am
StuffI always tend to go towards the 0-30% chance of life planets so I don't get destroyed by a mammal with tentacles, but I enjoy the challenge later, when my 85 men armed to the teeth can still lose a man to some little mammal.
Which when you think about it, makes some kind of sense, there'd have to be herds of the animals there, your screen is the entire world you've visited, your little five man raiding party in the beginning just doesn't have much of a chance against an entire enraged ecosystem.
If they weren't overpowered there wouldn't really be much of a challenge, 85 people armed with disintegrator pistols and adaptive armor seem to take out everything but a really angry mammal with tentacles.
But, now that my e-mail has reminded me of the game, let me fight the alien ships in space... They keep killing my space stations.
edited for lack of adjectives being where they needed to be.
Post by: Neonivek on August 19, 2010, 01:25:52 am
Your guns essentially shoot hundreds of miles, buildings are dimensional portals, and even science can't protect you from pathetic wildlife.
Kinda interesting that while creatures so large they could take on your spaceship are tough, creatures who cannot are still tough without super powers (though I guess the ability to bypass forcefields with ease and survive weapons that could take down tanks is a super power in it of itself)
Though this is a Retro-sci-fi game. So this is to be expected. (afterall the Stormtroopers did lose to rocks)
Post by: Astral on August 19, 2010, 12:33:57 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 19, 2010, 12:35:00 pm
Looks awesome, but I have a hard time with ASCII games. Will probably wait for a tileset, if it comes with support for it, or make one myself for shits and giggles.
The problem is, if I remember correctly, that the person who is making the game, whos name I cannot spell off hand, isn't good at art so he would need someone to help him do it.
Post by: ductape on August 19, 2010, 01:06:45 pm
Post by: magellan on August 20, 2010, 09:41:10 am
No it didnt :)
It is just that autoinspect now uses time, and fighting with autoinspect on is a bad idea.
Also: the default config somehow switched to "start-easy off" (Greatly reduces HPs of critters for the first 500 turns)
Current status as for tiles is this:
After adding the more customizable resoulutions, i re-implemented tiles again, this time making sure that later aditions in the game would not cause colissions (Like walls being made of insects etc). Right now I am waiting for someone to pretty up these here:
http://prospector.freeforums.org/tiles-any-volunteers-t162.html
Also: Mammals cant have tentacles? Meet the Starnosed Mole!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Condylura.jpg)
Post by: AnalysisFailed on August 20, 2010, 07:24:48 pm
Also: Mammals cant have tentacles? Meet the Starnosed Mole!
I'm perfectly fine with the tentacled mammals it's just that they always seem to be what kills me. Because I'm worrying about the sandworm coming at me from the other direction.
Post by: magellan on August 21, 2010, 04:34:04 pm
Hey, any excuse to show a picture of Mole-Cthulhu!!!
Btw: i just looked at the code for background battles (as in: Guys attacking a station while you are away) and have to say ... oops... they weren't simulated very well. Any hit is a kill, and while that was good enough for "2 fleets meet, lets just get a quick result" it obviously doesn't work with attacks on a station.
Post by: Jetman123 on August 21, 2010, 10:47:45 pm
I have no idea what's happening, but it keeps saying I was blasted into atoms while trying to be a pirate. I had no such intention and didn't WANT to attach that merchant convoy, I just happened across it while I was heading back to the station and got dropped into a battle. I didn't even see any messages regarding it, and I certainly didn't press F to intercept.
Maybe moving counts as a Y on the intercept query.
Post by: magellan on September 27, 2010, 08:30:15 am
Got tiles now, got a new space combat system, and besides that: getting killed is so much more rewarding now!
Post mortems are a whole lot prettier, and the game saves bones files now, so you can find the dog tag of your old Captain (and maybe even his disintegrator and battleship)!
So, here it is, for your consideration. And if you got feedback or bug reports, let me know!
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/downloads/list
Post by: Drakale on September 27, 2010, 08:41:17 am
Trying it out.
Edit:
The rest look good so far.
Post by: magellan on September 27, 2010, 09:33:19 am
It expects you to enter the new repaired total (so to repair to 5 you need to enter 5) (I know, makes no sense at all).
Post by: puke on September 27, 2010, 10:52:31 am
Post by: ductape on September 27, 2010, 11:41:16 am
edited out because I am stupid.
Post by: magellan on September 27, 2010, 12:22:07 pm
Post by: yamo on September 27, 2010, 01:08:02 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 27, 2010, 01:23:22 pm
You now start at the border, at a "truckstop". Sorta like a mini station, thats where the first docking takes you. Can't earn money there(or very hard to do so), but they don't take docking fees. It's mainly there as an emergency fallback, should you have trouble getting to a real station at the beginning of the game.
Why does this make me laugh more then anything else? Hey Magellan I have a suggestion!
If the Fallback station can have a name, can one of them be "Desire"?
Post by: Cheese on September 27, 2010, 02:15:19 pm
Post by: ductape on September 27, 2010, 02:20:09 pm
Hey DEON! make us some super sweet tiles man!
Post by: magellan on September 27, 2010, 02:22:28 pm
i like the tiles.
Tiles :D
Credit where credit is due: I stole & adapted most of them from here:
http://pousse.rapiere.free.fr/tome/index.htm
As for changing their size: actually, what you can change in config is text size for main/side windows. To change the graphical tiles you'd have to change 2 variables (_tix and _tiy) in the code and recompile. Though putting those 2 into config as well would be about 2 minutes work.
You now start at the border, at a "truckstop". Sorta like a mini station, thats where the first docking takes you. Can't earn money there(or very hard to do so), but they don't take docking fees. It's mainly there as an emergency fallback, should you have trouble getting to a real station at the beginning of the game.
Why does this make me laugh more then anything else? Hey Magellan I have a suggestion!
If the Fallback station can have a name, can one of them be "Desire"?
Erm... ok
erm. nope.
sorry, don't get it ???
Post by: Cheese on September 27, 2010, 02:26:18 pm
Post by: Neonivek on September 27, 2010, 03:16:41 pm
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sorry, don't get it
It is a bit dated I know.
Though it is because of its status as some sort of weird bus stop that reminded me of it.
Clue: I've always depended on the kindness of strangers
Post by: a1s on September 27, 2010, 03:36:38 pm
Edit: actually I came here to report a bug, or indeed two of them.
a) when you sell stocks, you sell from all of the companies at once (even though the game asks you to chose one)
b) sometimes (rarely. Ok, just the one time) after selling stocks the game will crash with this message "0.1.14 Error #6 in 1939:PORTFOLIO D:/Prospector/src/Googlecode/cargotrade.bas"
Post by: Neonivek on September 27, 2010, 03:43:03 pm
Where the character Blanche enters the plot through said streetcar.
Post by: Cheese on September 27, 2010, 03:58:02 pm
I found a heavy scout full of dead people in space, took it over, has some nice weaponry too :D
E: Game crashed upon entering combat with a ship I discovered in an asteroid field. Fortunately it had autosaved.
Post by: BishopX on September 27, 2010, 04:11:43 pm
1)I "Dove" into the sun, I did not "Dived" on the high score table
1a) despite being torn in half by meteorites, my science officer kept ranting at me about trying to get off this god forsaken rock.
2)Hiring crew at a truck stop decreases your oxygen (I hired 7 and it went from 200 to 60). I imagine this is the game simply re-calculating your current per capita oxygen, but it's still disconcerting for people to be sitting around in the temp agency without air.
3)I'm getting a whole bunch of cannot destroy nonexistent item (items 369-372, although this may not be constant) spam the first time I sell minerals (I have choose best and autosell off).
4) I'm liking the new quantity adjectives on minerals, do you think you could keep them for pick up and condense it in my item display? It's annoying to have to scroll through several pages of mineral to sell mud by spare pocket knife.
5) When landing on a planet owned by hostile star faring aliens, perhaps we could get a warning message like "Your gunner observes that the planet is beginning to open fire on us, are you sure you want to land?)
6) The truck stop is a colony if you listen to the inhabitants. This seems weird.
7)Why can I use alien guns and blades but not primitive handguns?
8) what is heat? and how does it effect space combat?
9)Where is the in game documentation? the help page doesn't contain any useful information.
10)The neural computer doesn't seem to help my captain gain experience any faster than normal, I haven't tested it on anyone else yet.
Post by: a1s on September 27, 2010, 04:20:04 pm
- Tried a pirate's life this time, the ending credits said I made 1940 credits trading goods, when in reality (as you might imagine) I didn't earn a single credit through honest labor in this life. (I also "set new safety standards for space exploration", after dying from lack of fuel. not a bug, but funny)
- heat doesn't dissipate out of combat
- the game will occasionally tell you that you ran into plasma exhaust, you don't lose any HP though.
- the amount of movement points (near engine grade) never decreases, but it does increase every turn by the appropriate amount (so you can end up with over a 1000 MPs). It might also be true that you only make one move per turn... (I'm not sure on that one)
Post by: Cheese on September 27, 2010, 04:20:28 pm
It seems to be messed up in the current version, I think all the stuff that was suppsoed to be in the ? help is in the readme file.
9)Where is the in game documentation? the help page doesn't contain any useful information.
I bumped into "A huge ship on an intercept course", pressed n and then ended up in combat where I was killed by merchant escorts. Strange.
Is the light scout actually a decent starting ship? Are all planets worth exploring or should I only explore for minerals, quests and remarkable features?
Thanks, Cheese.
Post by: BishopX on September 27, 2010, 04:31:03 pm
Post by: a1s on September 27, 2010, 06:10:25 pm
also retiring sill says you got filthy rich, even if you retire dirt poor.
Post by: BishopX on September 27, 2010, 07:13:06 pm
Post by: magellan on September 28, 2010, 05:34:48 am
Thanks for the reports, and keep them coming.
Heat: if your weapon gets really hot it might shut down or even be irreperably damaged.
I still do have no idea what a streetcar named desire has to do with truckstops in space, but thats propably just me :)
Post by: Cheese on September 28, 2010, 10:25:53 am
Allright fixed the stock trading bug, and going to look into the item destroyed thingy.Something to do with this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Streetcar_Named_Desire) perhaps. And then that kind of stuff at a truckstop?
Thanks for the reports, and keep them coming.
Heat: if your weapon gets really hot it might shut down or even be irreperably damaged.
I still do have no idea what a streetcar named desire has to do with truckstops in space, but thats propably just me :)
Post by: a1s on September 28, 2010, 10:34:10 am
*you don't actually get paid for exploring wormholes and anomalies, it just says you do, but the credits are unchanged.
*it would seem that you always repair for the maximum amount (no matter what number you put in) even if you can't pay for it.
*finally, I might have just been lucky, but I never had a run-in with the pirates in 0.1.14. I did come across trade convoys and anti-pirate ships though.
edit: on topic of desirable truckstops, I've managed to dig up this Drew Carey quote: "So ends another evening of trailer park dinner theater. Join us tomorrow when we present Tennessee William's a truck stop named desire", I wonder if this is what Neonivek refers to?
Post by: Cheese on September 28, 2010, 11:49:40 am
Post by: Drakale on September 28, 2010, 12:13:59 pm
Maybe you should make landing the craft a little easier, at the start i can barely repay the repair bills as my klutz pilot keep ramming it into the ground. Also I noticed that snow hides minerals that are underneath, is that intended? It look a little weird when you pick it up on radar and it disappear when in line of sight.
Post by: a1s on September 28, 2010, 12:22:03 pm
When playing the pirate cruiser start, how are you supposed to get fuel seeing as you can't dock anywhere?As a pirate you start in the pirate base system. just scan each planet and you'll find it. (Pirate bases offer most of the functionality of a starbase, and you don't have to pay your crew (for some reason....))
Post by: Cheese on September 28, 2010, 12:23:54 pm
Slave crew, epic.When playing the pirate cruiser start, how are you supposed to get fuel seeing as you can't dock anywhere?As a pirate you start in the pirate base system. just scan each planet and you'll find it. (Pirate bases offer most of the functionality of a starbase, and you don't have to pay your crew (for some reason....))
Is that easy start thing on by default?
Also, is it known that unconscious creatures follow you around the planet while unconscious?
Post by: a1s on September 28, 2010, 12:48:33 pm
speaking of alien vessels, they are always hailing you, so is there a way to interact with them out of combat?
Post by: Cheese on September 28, 2010, 12:53:41 pm
Apparently you can't plunder alien vessels. why?All vessels seem to hail, but as far as I know there's no way to interact other than opening fire.
speaking of alien vessels, they are always hailing you, so is there a way to interact with them out of combat?
Post by: magellan on September 28, 2010, 03:08:35 pm
Ah well, off to debugging we go.
Oh, i just realized I forgot to answer the starting ships question:
Can't go wrong with a scout, though a troop transport gives you a nice HP advantage on exploring planets. LRF is propably the sucky one, and I am not really sure how to unsuck it.
Generally if you die a lot on your first steps might i recommend this:
http://prospector.wikia.com/wiki/Beginner%27s_Guide_to_Not_Dying
Post by: a1s on September 28, 2010, 04:16:03 pm
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When you hire a new officer its skilllevel will be somewhat in the vicinity of the other 2 officers you have.The game now has 4 officers, and I'm sure none of them appreciate being called an "it", no matter what you really think of those moochers.
also, in my latest game
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The cow says 'moo', the sheep says 'baa', Smith Heavy Industries security team says ' '...
Post by: magellan on September 28, 2010, 04:55:42 pm
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Post by: Orb on September 28, 2010, 06:29:18 pm
A planets atmosphere density and gravity(+pilot skill and other factors) determines if you land or not safely. High gravity makes it hard. High density makes it hard. Landing on asteroid-like planets, piece of cake. In the beginning, avoid the big planets with dense atmospheres, and you should be fine.
Post by: a1s on September 28, 2010, 07:51:26 pm
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Post by: BishopX on September 29, 2010, 12:59:18 am
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Maybe only the little ones fit through the door?
Post by: magellan on October 01, 2010, 12:00:56 pm
Anyway: Just in time for the weekend: fixed most if not all of the bugs mentioned in the last 2 pages. Enjoy :)
Post by: Drakale on October 01, 2010, 12:19:50 pm
If you hit 'f' before the game prompt you to fire, the enemy get free shots at you while you do nothing. In general I dislike that prompt dynamic, why not make it like in planet surface mode, hit f to fire at any time and finish your turn. The weapons are limited by their reload/heat mechanics anyway so it should be balanced.
Often I get damaged from invisible plasma trails(maybe not a bug?)
The heat mechanic is cool, but the weapons do not cool down outside of combat. Also, firing any weapon without a gunner will destroy it 100% of the time. This seem a little harsh.
Escaping from encounters is confusing, maybe a more descriptive log entry would help know what just happened.
There are a lot of things that would be cool to add for space battle, like spending a turn scanning a ship, weapons that disable instead of destroy, boarding.
Also there is a bug in surface mode where you can hit 'X' for examine and cancel it over and over, and every time your doctor will work on some wounds while no 'turn' actually happens. This let you pretty much regenerate to full between each turn.
Post by: magellan on October 01, 2010, 12:46:14 pm
(Actually: Firing does advance the clock by 1 Tick. But cancelling fire should not. I've been thinking of adding a talent for your gunner, that makes that 1-tick time to aquire target/fire thing go away)
Scanning is definitely a good Idea! Thanks, I am going to steal that!
There are some things that have to be thought of for boarding though. Outlined here:
http://prospector.freeforums.org/boarding-ships-in-space-combat-t183.html
Feel free to add your insight!
I've been considering another thing: Twin Turrets (Maybe only able to hold weapons) Not sure though if those would make space combat much too easy. OTOH its propably pretty cool to fly around in a complete twin turreted Battleship :)
Post by: BishopX on October 01, 2010, 01:00:57 pm
The bugs play pinochle on your snout!
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Post by: magellan on October 01, 2010, 01:09:54 pm
Keys for changing weapons that should work:
+/-,
Ahem... well ok. gotta look at that again, i guess ...
Post by: BishopX on October 01, 2010, 01:30:30 pm
Also, having 4 or more weapons (e.g a destroyer) covers up your fuel gauge. This can be a problem.
Post by: Little on October 03, 2010, 02:54:49 pm
Post by: darkedone02 on October 04, 2010, 04:18:06 am
Post by: Tarran on October 04, 2010, 01:58:09 pm
played this game, don't like it, delete it, put on my "worst games" list.What's wrong with it, sir? I don't see why the hell it would be that bad.
Edit: Bug, I got the giant rain forest semi-special on a rogue planet,
Edit2: Never mind, there are plant creatures (but still no actual plants). Proceeding to run the hell away now.
Post by: magellan on October 04, 2010, 03:10:41 pm
played this game, don't like it, delete it, put on my "worst games" list.What's wrong with it, sir? I don't see why the hell it would be that bad.
Edit: Bug, I got the giant rain forest semi-special on a rogue planet,there were no plants, too. So I'd guess two bugs.
Edit2: Never mind, there are plant creatures (but still no actual plants). Proceeding to run the hell away now.
Still, the description makes no sense there. You are right, it doesn't check if its a rogue planet. It will do.
As to whats wrong with it:
The Font is ugly, the tiles are even uglier.
It's grindy, unimaginative, bland,
The UI sucks, it's bugy.
The attempts at humor are more embarassing than anything else.
Threre are no characters.
Post by: cartmann on October 04, 2010, 03:24:42 pm
Post by: puke on October 04, 2010, 03:26:02 pm
the complaints that I have are that is isnt realistic enough, or "hard sci-fi" enough. i get frustrated that things we can learn from a modern orbital survey are not known in this far future setting. that ships dont stay in orbit to provide comm and fire support. but that is not such a big deal. the tech level is more like that of Firefly, which is not modern hard-sci-fi but rather some sort of classic sci-fi pastiche. not so bad, just have to suspend disbelief a little.
Post by: Fikes on October 04, 2010, 03:36:12 pm
I played Prospector back a few months ago, but gave up on it because I'd spend an hour walking around boring planets to generate credits only to land on the wrong planet and die in seconds. I'll pick it back up some time.
If I ever made a game that someone decided to put on their "worst games" list, while a bunch of other people liked it, I'd feel pretty honored, honestly. Really? You hate my game more than Lords of the Realm 3? What an honor!
Post by: Tarran on October 04, 2010, 03:37:36 pm
Post by: puke on October 09, 2010, 08:08:52 pm
do the retirement properties do anything for you? like mud's franchise or life insurance? or do they just help your score?
Post by: Neonivek on October 09, 2010, 08:35:49 pm
Suggestion Spree!
A) Play as the Son/Daughter of said character
or
B) Hire said character's sons and daughters
-Retired characters should be saved in some format and the game should with that data randomise things based on what they did. For example
1) Space Stations (or Pirate Stations for villains) should have a small chance to be named after them
2) Planets, if they saved locals, should have a chance to have a statue in their honor
3) Crashed or stranded ships should have a chance to have them aboard.
In otherwords... Do something with your characters dead or alive. Heck perhaps even take dead characters in consideration.
What do you think?
I think there is a 80% chance this is either already in the game or already thought of.
Post by: puke on October 09, 2010, 09:19:16 pm
on the other hand, it might also be nice to play this on a persistant map with new characters able to visit the same places and see the same charts (exploration data is sold to the stations, after all) and have direct continuity like in DF.
either one would be nice, i guess.
Post by: Tarran on October 09, 2010, 10:33:16 pm
Post by: BishopX on October 10, 2010, 08:14:23 am
Also, new bug: Sometimes when you select 1 planet in a system (this includes gas giants) multiple planets are highlighted. There all apear to have the same map and there are never any resources present.
Also, the ability to vent the atmosphere from a drifting space craft makes all the gribblies you put inside redundant. Could you turn space craft doors into airlocks? Or at least have militray type craft have this redundant design. I can imagine merchants skimping on the cost, but a battleship?
Post by: Saint on October 10, 2010, 08:29:04 am
Rogue likes always do that for me, last too damn long.
Post by: Ricky on October 10, 2010, 02:42:49 pm
i dont understaaaannnd
ok, the tileset helps. ALOT
it still doesnt help me though
how do i sell minerals
how do i kill things?
how do i scavenge ships?
Post by: magellan on October 10, 2010, 03:36:27 pm
Selling minerals: In the main stations (the three spindly things in tiles or uppercase white S in ASCII mode) there is the a menu with the first position "Office of xy-corporation" Those buy minerals (And other stuff).
Scavenge ship: Erm. not sure. You can pick up stuff. You can talk to whatever is on it. You can kill everything on it and find the bridge and jump ship.
@BishopX
I've seen the double planets too. I have no idea what causes them (And must remember to save the game next time I see one, and take a better luck at it)
Shooting holes into the hull: I see your point. But there are 2 buts:
1) You think so, now that it has become your standard tactic. (Hmmm... actually, shooting at the outer hull should trigger the alarm. That already would make that tactic less "ubergood")
2) I would have to expand on the current model doing that right now quite a bit to implement that.
Post by: Tarran on October 10, 2010, 07:43:50 pm
I think the easy way to fix this would be to shorten the amount of space each weapon takes, meaning change something like
(Weapon)(damage)
R X/Y/Z
Heat: W
to just
(Weapon)(damage)
R X/Y/Z - H: W
Post by: Neonivek on October 10, 2010, 08:01:48 pm
I found an oasis of life on a planet with a 0% chance of life. Much earlier in the thread I spoke to Magellan (sorta) about possibly giving bonus points for finding life on planets where it would otherwise be impossible.
Post by: Tarran on October 10, 2010, 09:58:43 pm
Spoiler: Slightly spoil-ish but not all that spoil-ish. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Pnx on November 26, 2010, 10:45:55 pm
I did manage to run into a snag... though.
Spoiler: BIG spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: puke on November 28, 2010, 10:20:45 pm
I did manage to run into a snag... though.Spoiler: BIG spoiler (click to show/hide)
yeah, i reported the same one several versions back. you can actually get out of there if
[spoileryou go to the bottom of the caves and kill the brain (which may require an excessive lot of firepower if my experience was any indication) but the ordering the ship to "launch" thing is definitly a bug.[/spoiler]
Magellian has an official forum for the game somewhere, I think the link is in his sig or in this thread or at a minimum it is on the project homepage.
Post by: BishopX on November 28, 2010, 10:31:14 pm
Despite the apparent lack of activity, Magellan is still slowly working on the game.
Post by: magellan on December 05, 2010, 10:12:07 am
In fact, I just released 0.1.15
New in 0.1.15
* 3 New types of crewmembers
* New Items
* New radio command
* Ship Designer allows you to create your own hulls
* Crewmembers voice their displeasure at your command
* Fixed biodata and some other bugs
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/downloads/list
Enjoy, and please report any bugs you may find!
Post by: Lordinquisitor on December 05, 2010, 11:24:31 am
Post by: Tarran on December 05, 2010, 11:40:43 am
Also, one bug right off the bat. When I start out the game as a scout and go to a major spacestation, then check out the new ship section, then try to exit, it tells me the ship I will be swapping with(despite me selecting exit) will have lower sensor capacity, lower shield capacity, lower engine capacity... etc, basically everything will have a lower capacity. Then it asks me if I want to change to that ship type, I say no. Then I end back in the new ship section. When I try to exit again and again the same thing happens. When I pressed the X(close window button) it asked me if I wanted to exit. I said yes. However, nothing happened. I tried two more times with the same result. Then when accepting the new ship type and escaping myself out of it I managed to get the game into a gigantic loop of errors("You already have this hull") which currently has a lovely multiplier of 26 thousand or so at the time of typing.
Post by: magellan on December 05, 2010, 12:20:44 pm
Thanks Tarran!
Fixed an uploaded.
This time really really with Ship Designer.
Post by: Tarran on December 05, 2010, 12:55:56 pm
Post by: magellan on December 05, 2010, 01:31:37 pm
It was indeed still bugged on the pirates world.
That is fixed now too.
3rd times the charm eh?
I will now go and crawl under a rock or something...
Post by: Tarran on December 05, 2010, 01:42:33 pm
Thanks for finally fixing it.
Post by: Majestic7 on December 05, 2010, 02:05:47 pm
Indeed I am still working on the game.
In fact, I just released 0.1.15
Enjoy, and please report any bugs you may find!
Whee! Will enjoy. Thanks for working on the game, it would certainly deserve larger audience.
Edit- Like every other or every third planet has a mining station sending distress signal due to medical emergency.....
Post by: Tarran on December 05, 2010, 02:37:44 pm
Edit: And yet another bug. I apparently got killed by a "merchant's escorts", when I was informed that
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Edit2: Yet one more bug. After repairing stranded ships they turn into different ship types. For example, I had repaired a stranded Explorer and the next thing I know it says "Troop carrier".
Post by: magellan on December 05, 2010, 04:25:25 pm
Post by: Tarran on December 05, 2010, 04:32:27 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on December 05, 2010, 05:47:22 pm
Post by: Tarran on December 05, 2010, 06:26:34 pm
Is there a way to get more messages in the game? In the older versions, upon picking something up the game would tell me what it was and so forth. I don't get those messages in this version. I'm wondering if I can turn it back on somehow, but I didn't notice anything in the options.I've got the same problem. Whenever I pick up any metals that are on a tile that gives you a message as soon as you move onto it, it overwrites the picking up of the metals. I'm sure that's the problem because whenever I pick up metals that aren't on tiles that would give you messages I get the message of picking up the metals normally.
Post by: Majestic7 on December 05, 2010, 06:29:26 pm
I've got the same problem. Whenever I pick up any metals that are on a tile that gives you a message as soon as you move onto it, it overwrites the picking up of the metals. I'm sure that's the problem because whenever I pick up metals that aren't on tiles that would give you messages I get the message of picking up the metals normally.
Well, I have the same problem regarding combat messages and other planetside messages, like acid rain etc. This even when I'm not moving.
Post by: BishopX on December 05, 2010, 06:38:31 pm
Post by: Tarran on December 05, 2010, 06:59:28 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on December 05, 2010, 07:42:37 pm
Majestic, is your auto-inspect on?
Nope. Auto-pickup is on, but auto-inspect, nope.
Post by: magellan on December 05, 2010, 11:35:34 pm
At least the message problem is easily solved: Just add some lines in config->resolution.
Looks like prospector can't believe that the message window could be this small.
Post by: Tarran on December 05, 2010, 11:47:56 pm
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Post by: puke on December 05, 2010, 11:52:52 pm
I've also noticed something somewhat strange. I think it's also a bug. It's somewhat of a spoiler though so those that have read that have yet to read a spoiler don't open this.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
maybe something changed in a recent version, but i think thats the way its always been. you can destroy them (and sometimes find things in the wreckage) but otherwise there is no interaction.
Post by: Tarran on December 05, 2010, 11:57:30 pm
I've also noticed something somewhat strange. I think it's also a bug. It's somewhat of a spoiler though so those that have read that have yet to read a spoiler don't open this.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
maybe something changed in a recent version, but i think thats the way its always been. you can destroy them (and sometimes find things in the wreckage) but otherwise there is no interaction.
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Post by: magellan on December 06, 2010, 12:05:00 am
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Post by: Tarran on December 06, 2010, 12:11:54 am
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Post by: magellan on December 06, 2010, 12:35:17 am
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Post by: Tarran on December 06, 2010, 12:46:45 am
Post by: Captain Mayday on December 06, 2010, 06:36:47 am
I have 'easy start' on, so that might do it.
Apparently, when I exit, it says "The new ship will have a lower max armor capacity than your current one. You will need to downgrade your engine for the new hull.... etc for everything'
It asks me to confirm. If I say no, I am stuck on that screen.
If I say yes, it purchases the 'exit' hull.
I cannot then exit the page, because it informs me that I already have that hull.
esc doesn't work for this either.
Edit: still does it even without easy start being enabled.
Post by: Captain Mayday on December 06, 2010, 07:54:27 am
Post by: magellan on December 06, 2010, 08:32:13 am
There was a bug, that I (thought) I fixed. the one that says "Prospector 0.1.15 With Hull Designer Bug Fixed" shouldn't have it anymore. If that is the version you have, and it still does do that, I need to look into it again...
Things like that *can* happen on space stations, though very rarely. And there should be a warning if they do.
@Tarran
Ahhh I see what happened here.
Stupid map generator added some caves underneath the complex, putting the sought after computer somewhere down there. Thanks! Consider it fixed.
Post by: 1freeman on December 06, 2010, 10:41:07 am
What do squad leaders do?, is there some sort of bonus or something.
same with sniper's, i assume they are better with guns than a regular red shirt.
also i have never seen my paramedic's heal people, just the doctor.
thank's to anyone that can answer my question's
Post by: magellan on December 06, 2010, 10:59:18 am
Squadleaders give a +1 to hit to up to 5 normal crewmen.
Snipers get a +3 to hit for themselves
Paramedics add to the doctors healing ratio
Sorry, Crewmembers will get blue explanatory boxes in the future.
Post by: 1freeman on December 06, 2010, 04:29:22 pm
but why would i bother hiring regular red shirts when i can get snipers for the same price, or is there something i am missing.
Post by: Tarran on December 06, 2010, 04:55:06 pm
@TarranSo it's somewhere in the caves?
Ahhh I see what happened here.
Stupid map generator added some caves underneath the complex, putting the sought after computer somewhere down there. Thanks! Consider it fixed.
No matter, I will push buttons on that computer no matter what it takes.
but why would i bother hiring regular red shirts when i can get snipers for the same price, or is there something i am missing.Yeah, what do normal security members have that snipers don't? Melee bonuses?
Post by: magellan on December 06, 2010, 05:02:24 pm
Post by: BishopX on December 06, 2010, 08:51:09 pm
Post by: 1freeman on December 07, 2010, 01:02:46 pm
thanks for all your answers so far. am absolutly Loving the game.
Post by: magellan on December 07, 2010, 04:26:28 pm
So to get a 100% autohit at point blank you need a +8
And squad leaders do add to anybody, snipers included.
Improvise mines allows you to drop ship mines in space combat without having any. You are rigging some extra parts +5 units of fuel into something that goes boom when an enemy ship hits it (or you fire at it)
Post by: 1freeman on December 07, 2010, 09:14:43 pm
just lost everyone but my gunner with the improvised mines while investigating a derelict battleship floating in space.
is it even possible to kill everything on a ship because I was killing them non-stop for 2 minuets but they just kept coming.
*shudders in horror*
EDIT: i returned to the infested battleship with a squad leader and 4 security members accompanying myself, Doc, and the scientist, we managed to clean the ship but not without loss, only myself, doc and a red shirt made it out alive. on the bright side i am now cruising the galaxy with a free battleship which is awesome.
Post by: puke on December 07, 2010, 11:21:40 pm
cool, can you buy skills like that or is it just a random attribute given to crew members when they are hired?
just lost everyone but my gunner with the improvised mines while investigating a derelict battleship floating in space.
is it even possible to kill everything on a ship because I was killing them non-stop for 2 minuets but they just kept coming.
*shudders in horror*
EDIT: i returned to the infested battleship with a squad leader and 4 security members accompanying myself, Doc, and the scientist, we managed to clean the ship but not without loss, only myself, doc and a red shirt made it out alive. on the bright side i am now cruising the galaxy with a free battleship which is awesome.
I dont know if this still works, but on the ships that are infested with quickly replicating aliens, you used to be able to blow a hole in the hull and kill them by exposing them to vaccuum.
Post by: magellan on December 09, 2010, 10:08:08 am
Also, some bugs have been fixed an 0.1.15a has been uploaded. Enjoy.
Post by: hawkeye_de on December 11, 2010, 08:19:25 am
Post by: Orb on December 11, 2010, 01:23:40 pm
That games looks interesting...does it provide already deep gameplay?
Its got a lot of content, that's for sure. Deep? Maybe not, you can't get too deep with mostly randomized gameplay. However you can form strategies so your games last longer, but sometimes you are just going to die because you got overconfident.
Had a question of my own.
First, do auxiliary O2 tanks stack? If so, how many can I have that will remain in use? Is it one per person?
Post by: BishopX on December 11, 2010, 03:00:19 pm
So I've been messing around with 1.15a, and there are a couple of new features. You can now buy autopsy and botanical kits at the sick bay to improve bio-collection, lava now seems to less damage, and you can now find alien ship components in the giant worm corpses. I'm not sure if finding a disintegrator cannon in the thorax of a giant magma worm is a bug or just pure awesome.
Post by: Captain Mayday on December 12, 2010, 04:38:55 am
I'm having trouble seeing what happens, exactly, but I think when a single blast kills my entire boarding party, the game goes nuts and spends all available processor power on... doing nothing.
edit: It only appears to occur when the Captain is killed by that weapon.
Post by: boatie on December 12, 2010, 12:21:48 pm
So I have mapdata from an entire planet and dock in a space station but none of the stores seem to offer to buy mapdata?
Post by: 1freeman on December 12, 2010, 01:02:52 pm
Post by: PMantix on December 12, 2010, 01:06:38 pm
....but none of the stores seem to offer to buy mapdata?
As far as I can tell, you can't sell map data at the starting space station (is this true?)... try one of the other space stations symbolized by an 'S' on the galactic map.
Post by: 1freeman on December 12, 2010, 01:13:18 pm
Post by: boatie on December 12, 2010, 02:30:14 pm
Post by: Orb on December 12, 2010, 06:29:59 pm
Basically, they are the gas stations of space. When docking at them, you can get repairs, new crew members, fuel, ammo, and so on, without paying wages for the crew. You can even sell fuel at them, if you can safely extract it from gas giants(there are ways...). But, you can not sell your map data, bio data, or resources at these stations, so credit income in null. You also can't buy new equipment, unless you want to pay overpriced at the local bargain store. So, these "pitstops" are ways to help you keep afloat if you don't believe you can afford another "wage" payment, and want to refuel.
If you guys have any other questions, just ask, I think I got a pretty good feel of of the game. I've gotten to a point where credits don't matter(you make so much you can't spend it all) at several points, and I just explore the galaxy till some random spaceship blows my face off.
Also, some bugs I've had, they may have been reported before....
Spoiler: Bugs (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Exploit (click to show/hide)
Post by: Captain Mayday on December 21, 2010, 05:24:09 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: magellan on December 25, 2010, 05:50:34 am
Post by: PMantix on January 22, 2011, 04:29:05 pm
Post by: Neonivek on January 22, 2011, 04:43:17 pm
Actually yes. Miles thick in fact.
Do Captains Currently have traits?
Post by: Deon on March 01, 2011, 02:46:32 pm
I want square graphics, but the game seems to set it to elongated vertically tiles no matter what I try to do. I would really like to make a good tileset for it, but I want to know how to make it read square tiles first :).
Post by: magellan on March 02, 2011, 01:56:08 am
Those are x and y dimensions for graphical tiles.
And if X=Y they are square.
Looking forward to seeing your tiles deon. :)
Post by: Deon on March 02, 2011, 09:39:18 am
Also could you swam Q and SHIFT-Q keybindings?
P.S. I think the problem is with the font, should I tweak it to be 24x24 too?
Post by: Deon on March 02, 2011, 09:45:40 am
_tix:24
_tiy:24
tilefont:24
textfont:24
And this is how it looks:
(http://i54.tinypic.com/28hgylz.png)
P.S> Any chance to see "what is what" for the tiles? I cannot understand some pictures at all.
Post by: Deon on March 02, 2011, 10:16:17 am
When I add this:
(http://img.ie/48ba5.png)
to the game, it screws up colors.
Post by: magellan on March 02, 2011, 10:21:15 am
Window is forcing the window to be as large as the desktop, and squashes the letters.
As for what is what there are 2 possibilities:
One list is here:
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/source/browse/trunk/tiles.bas
And it is almost human readable
The other possibility is you show me which tiles you cant make out, and I tell you.
Oh, and btw: Just released 0.1.17
And yes, it would be possible to up the color range, but it would be a major PITA.
Post by: ductape on March 02, 2011, 10:40:35 am
Post by: magellan on March 02, 2011, 10:46:43 am
Post by: Neonivek on March 02, 2011, 11:29:23 am
how major? Deon making a tileset could be a huge boon to the game! think about it!
Yeah but Deon isn't going to be around forever to add tiles for every single creature Magellan adds to the game.
Which is only a big deal because Magellan really adds to his game and makes an expansive galaxy really feel like it has variety.
Post by: Deon on March 02, 2011, 11:44:45 am
Post by: Deon on March 02, 2011, 11:47:36 am
Actually if you turn on graphical tiles textsize gets ignored. Of course with 24x24 the screen is 1920 pixel wide. Since it works fine here (Besides the window being larger than the screen) I have only one theory at the moment:Actually the textsize is ignored from config.txt, but NOT ignored from game options for some reason.
Window is forcing the window to be as large as the desktop, and squashes the letters.
Basically with 24x24 tiles I was able to set the configuration text to 24 in the game, and it made it 12 in config.txt (wtf?) and the text became readable.
If you can explain why it happens, it would help a lot.
Post by: Deon on March 02, 2011, 12:20:51 pm
Is there a way to make it always display squares and reduce the amount of X squares instead?
An example:
(http://i53.tinypic.com/vf8hsx.png)
P.S. It looks like I can dodge the color limitation:
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2qkjfwo.png)
Now if I only could have it to stay square :P.
Post by: Deon on March 02, 2011, 12:32:23 pm
Quote
As for what is what there are 2 possibilities:I am mostly interested in the creature sprites. Some of them are even letters. If you could say what are those "P" and different-colored similar people icons, it could help a lot :).
One list is here:
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/source/browse/trunk/tiles.bas
P.S. Some early work:
(http://i53.tinypic.com/152gis1.png)
I won't change the style of critters, only fine-tune and redraw the existing sprites.
P.P.S. Some creatures have no sprites, so I will have to fantasy...
A generic pirate sprite:
(http://i53.tinypic.com/ojifdh.png) (http://i56.tinypic.com/dfiv4k.png)
A skull-shaped helmet should be distinguishable enough.
Post by: magellan on March 02, 2011, 01:28:46 pm
Do i sense a slight Firefly influence here?
The squishing thing is wierd. I will treat that as a bug report from here on out and look into it.
Besides you got a PM from me.
Post by: Deon on March 02, 2011, 01:33:35 pm
Sadly I haven't watched Firefly, but I always wanted and maybe I will in a few months :).
Post by: Deon on March 02, 2011, 02:42:07 pm
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2wqep8m.png)
Awayteam, arachnid, insect, reptile, worm, snake, humanoid, cephalopod, centipede, pirate.
Damn, it will take a while. I will try to finish critters today though :).
Post by: Deon on March 02, 2011, 07:36:51 pm
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2eezakg.png)
The blue ones are unfinished, the red one is not used.
Post by: freeformschooler on March 02, 2011, 07:50:32 pm
Post by: Captain Mayday on March 03, 2011, 10:48:50 am
Post by: ductape on March 03, 2011, 10:59:42 am
Post by: Captain Mayday on March 03, 2011, 11:01:49 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 03, 2011, 11:26:03 am
die by your own plasma trail when fighting pirates it
records it as having been blasted into atoms by pirates.
Post by: magellan on March 03, 2011, 12:16:01 pm
Don't know if anyone has mentioned it but when you
die by your own plasma trail when fighting pirates it
records it as having been blasted into atoms by pirates.
The "Got blasted to atoms by pirates"-bit is for the eulegy.
What really happened is what they laugh about later at the dinner.
... guess I could exactify that message a little.
Anyway:
If any of you are interested in ancient history:
This was the first place Prospector got mentioned in public:
http://www.adom.de/forums/showthread.php?t=813
Post by: BigD145 on March 03, 2011, 01:18:42 pm
Don't know if anyone has mentioned it but when you
die by your own plasma trail when fighting pirates it
records it as having been blasted into atoms by pirates.
The winners/survivors are typically the history makers. The Truth doesn't matter.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 03, 2011, 01:27:34 pm
backup into my own plasma trail!
Post by: Deon on March 03, 2011, 06:07:34 pm
Really, people, do not let this thread to sink again.
This is a current work on terrain. I know that the sprites are quite basic, but I wanted it to blend together, and with such low amount of colors it's a very hard task.
Here we are in a fern forest, near a small geyser.
(http://i52.tinypic.com/5513it.png)
Also note that it would look 10 times better if the tiles were not deformed :P. The deformation removes a lot of details.
Post by: Deon on March 03, 2011, 06:22:17 pm
(http://i51.tinypic.com/n3uo0w.png)
Post by: Asra on March 03, 2011, 07:06:15 pm
Post by: Deon on March 03, 2011, 07:09:37 pm
I've finished all creatures though, so it's just the terrain and items now. Ships are almost done too.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 03, 2011, 07:21:39 pm
colors, as long as you use them well then its fine. Take
a look at the grass in this picture from Secret of Mana 3:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
did not notice this. It took this (http://gas13.ru/v3/tutorials/sywtbapa_de-mystifying_greats_1.php) and this (http://gas13.ru/v3/tutorials/sywtbapa_de-mystifying_greats_2.php) page from a
pixel art tutorial to find it out.
Post by: Deon on March 03, 2011, 08:10:30 pm
And yeah, this tutorial is one of the first I've ever read.
Anyway, I've done about 1/7 of all land tiles. Yay me :).
Post by: BishopX on March 03, 2011, 08:23:33 pm
Prospector is seriously pushing the amount of information that can be contained in Ascii.
Post by: Deon on March 03, 2011, 08:28:20 pm
I've started to work on the station facilities. Here's the personnel office:
(http://img.ie/2a585.png)
Also here's an abandoned mining town near mountains and forests. I dislike how shrubland looks, it looks like green boulders rather than bushes, so I will redraw it:
(http://img.ie/3c9c1.png)
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 03, 2011, 08:34:35 pm
you could have a few small ones to a tile.
Post by: Neonivek on March 03, 2011, 08:42:59 pm
Post by: The Scout on March 03, 2011, 08:54:08 pm
Post by: Deon on March 03, 2011, 09:23:30 pm
Well if it is "bushes" then maybe instead of one big blobYes, I already did it this way, we think similar :).
you could have a few small ones to a tile.
Will there be a seperation between creatures and sentient creatures visually?Well, there are "sentient centipedes" and "centipedes", as well as other sentient species. And each specie has its own sprite. So yeah, each specie looks different.
Deon is a God. On the level of Toady except instead of programming, it's art. Good art with alot of limitations.To reach the level of Toady one must dedicate his whole life to it. Sadly I am still confined by my family, work and university, but I try hard to meditate and concentrate on what is truly important :P.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 03, 2011, 11:08:53 pm
The game should remember what your last ship
was named at the start and offer that as a default
because having to keep typing the same thing in,
especially if you get into a dieing steak is annoying.
I just always call my ships Blueshifter.
Also a question, if one of the main 4 die is there
level number supposed to stay the same? Its kind
of irritating to not remember who died when trying
to recruit replacements.
Post by: magellan on March 03, 2011, 11:37:54 pm
Ways to name your ship:
1) Type a name in each time (you already discovered this one)
2) Just hit enter. Your Ship will be named NNC- and a increasing 4 digit number
3) in the game folder there is a file called register. you can open it with any text editor. There is a number in there (That is the incrementing number for stanard ship names.)
Below that you can enter your own numbered naming scheme if you don't like NNC -
Just type the Name like you want it to be and 4 #### for the number part.
Or
You can put there a text file name, in which case if you don't name your ship prospector will choose a line from that file at random. (Thats what the file B5Shipnames.txt is for.)
As for your other question i am not sure I understand. Dead people get replaced. It's a question of luck if the replacement is worse/equal/better than your old crewmember.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 03, 2011, 11:43:54 pm
crew thing I mean that if say I have the gunner skill 1 die, when
I go to hire a new one it says (current:1) and the little side pannel
says Gu:1
Post by: Neonivek on March 04, 2011, 12:04:20 am
Quote
Well, there are "sentient centipedes" and "centipedes", as well as other sentient species. And each specie has its own sprite. So yeah, each specie looks different
Hmmm... So I'll take that as a no.
Well looks like there just ain't no way around looking.
Post by: magellan on March 04, 2011, 12:05:13 am
Post by: Deon on March 04, 2011, 12:10:44 am
What do you mean? The sentient beings have their own sprites because they are specific species, so once you learn who is who you will see it at glance.QuoteWell, there are "sentient centipedes" and "centipedes", as well as other sentient species. And each specie has its own sprite. So yeah, each specie looks different
Hmmm... So I'll take that as a no.
Well looks like there just ain't no way around looking.
Cool about the rename thing, did not notice it. With theDo you have a 320x240 desktop resolution? :)
crew thing I mean that if say I have the gunner skill 1 die, when
I go to hire a new one it says (current:1) and the little side pannel
says Gu:1
P.S. I've done 60% of all land tiles. Damn that's hard, I stayed up all night.
Post by: Neonivek on March 04, 2011, 12:20:36 am
Quote
What do you mean? The sentient beings have their own sprites because they are specific species, so once you learn who is who you will see it at glance
Ohh I see. For a second there I thought you misunderstood my question (which is very common) sorry about all that.
There are a lot of things you guys could do with art and coding such as attractive menus, sprites for characters, and stuff... buuuuuuut yeah... work...
The only thing I REALLY want to see once the sprites are done and working correctly are green planets. Dang Leafs.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 04, 2011, 12:34:30 am
corrupted on my end because when I deleted it and downloaded
a fresh game it works fine now.
Edit: I examined what I deleted and despite the folder saying it was
the correct version on further inspection it was an older version. Do
not know how I managed that one.
Also now that I have the correct game and all its not responding to the 'y' or 'n' key after I die.
Post by: Deon on March 04, 2011, 06:49:30 am
(http://img.ie/84055.png)
The problem is that I cannot finish it until I get the list from Magellan for the remaining stuff because it's different from the source file contents. There will be more items too.
Post by: magellan on March 04, 2011, 01:40:21 pm
As for the "identifying critters by sight" thing:
There is some information hidden in the Ascii. One could add that to the sprites as well, but would be quite a task for deon.
The additional info is uppercase/lower case and color. To put all that in, we would need 2x8 sprites for each of the standard critters, instead of just one. (those would be from avian to fish)
Post by: Deon on March 04, 2011, 01:59:04 pm
Also my first attempt at 8-dimensional ship:
(http://img.ie/238a0.png)
Diagonals are a bitch :D.
P.S.
Scout, fighter, heavy scout:
(http://img.ie/482a6.png)
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 04, 2011, 03:50:18 pm
seems to have the same armor value yet in this store on
the planet with the art guy I can by the forcefield for
1575 and the bodyarmor for 19000...
Post by: magellan on March 04, 2011, 04:10:19 pm
You are right.
Thanks for pointing that out. *blushes*
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 04, 2011, 05:36:28 pm
In a recent game I earned way to much from a bunch
of resources on it where the only challenges was walking
to them.
Post by: BishopX on March 04, 2011, 09:21:36 pm
Also is the boring planet supposed to gen resources?
In a recent game I earned way to much from a bunch
of resources on it where the only challenges was walking
to them.
Resources are determined mostly based on star type and distance from the stations. If you find the boring planet tucked into a corner it'll probably be loaded.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 05, 2011, 12:59:59 am
and you go to leave it uses the same message as
when you go to enter it.
"abandoned ship Enter?(y/n)"
Probably should ask about leaving and rephrased
so it asks:
Enter/Leave abandoned ship?(y/n)
Post by: ductape on March 05, 2011, 01:23:26 am
When you are in an abandoned ship on a planet
and you go to leave it uses the same message as
when you go to enter it.
"abandoned ship Enter?(y/n)"
Probably should ask about leaving and rephrased
so it asks:
Enter/Leave abandoned ship?(y/n)
with you paragraph formatting and were there new lines created, it reads like a weird poem. I like it.
Critics of Carl Sandberg said that he wasnt writing poetry, just arranging regular paragraphs on a page. Personally I love his poetry.
Post by: niltrias on March 05, 2011, 01:41:58 am
Post by: beorn080 on March 05, 2011, 07:20:07 am
Amazing work. All of it, including the RS sprites.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 05, 2011, 03:27:25 pm
to "I"nvestigate something it says he is dead.
Post by: Orb on March 05, 2011, 04:09:50 pm
If you leave your science officer on the ship and try
to "I"nvestigate something it says he is dead.
You can leave people on the ship? :o
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 05, 2011, 04:12:37 pm
"A" and move the selection to who you want to leave
and press enter and some green text that says Awayteam
will switch to yellow text saying On Ship
Post by: Bitoru on March 05, 2011, 05:30:31 pm
It would be okay for me :).
Also my first attempt at 8-dimensional ship:
(http://img.ie/238a0.png)
Diagonals are a bitch :D.
P.S.
Scout, fighter, heavy scout:
(http://img.ie/482a6.png)
Oh, wow. Is there anything you can't do?
Post by: BigD145 on March 05, 2011, 09:45:41 pm
It would be okay for me :).
Also my first attempt at 8-dimensional ship:
(http://img.ie/238a0.png)
Diagonals are a bitch :D.
P.S.
Scout, fighter, heavy scout:
(http://img.ie/482a6.png)
Oh, wow. Is there anything you can't do?
Insert it directly into my game folder right this second.
Post by: Deon on March 06, 2011, 09:29:18 am
However I will fine-tune them, so don't worry :). I am more worried about the fact that I should make all space monsters to rotate the same way (8 directions), but I've already done 3 of them :).
The main problem is that the game did not work with square tiles. But Magellan is working hard to make it possible. He already has a version which allows it, but there are some interface issues which should be fixed.
2 Magellan: with the new "scrollable map" issue, would it be possible to modify the game to allow planets to be seamless on "x" axis? If we could circumvent planets from east to west it would be awesome :). Can you do it?
Post by: Orb on March 06, 2011, 12:51:50 pm
Anyway, some bugs I got.
1. If your captain gets sick and "stays" on the ship, you can't get him back into the awayteam because it says you can't take him off the away team(?).
2. I've had two crashes related to the 0 key when you use it to fire at all aliens. Lost a really good save with tons of alien tech. :-\
Spoiler: Bug (click to show/hide)
Post by: magellan on March 06, 2011, 11:39:38 pm
Awesome tile set Deon. :o
It looks even more awesome when you play the game with it. I get killed all the time distracted looking at the pretty tiles... but you mere mortals need to wait a bit longer before you can enjoy that 8) (I am thinking wednesday atm)
Anyway, some bugs I got.
1. If your captain gets sick and "stays" on the ship, you can't get him back into the awayteam because it says you can't take him off the away team(?).
2. I've had two crashes related to the 0 key when you use it to fire at all aliens. Lost a really good save with tons of alien tech. :-\Spoiler: Bug (click to show/hide)
Hmm... thought I had fixed the captain bug.
The laying fire thing you are the second to report that.
And it bugs me because i can't reproduce it.
Got a hunch it might be the sound effects.
Anything you can tell me, maybe a savegame even?
Post by: Orb on March 07, 2011, 05:10:16 pm
Hmm... thought I had fixed the captain bug.
The laying fire thing you are the second to report that.
And it bugs me because i can't reproduce it.
Got a hunch it might be the sound effects.
Anything you can tell me, maybe a savegame even?
Sadly, the saved game is gone since I died in it already. Though I did get the bug a few more times. After that I got it into my head to stop pressing the button and used "5" instead. I have a hunch it might have to do with the alien scanner, and it tries to fire at aliens you can "see" and not "see" at the same time. I'll try regenerating the bug. I also got the bug when the fire happened to go through a wall.
Also, is there a way to make space battles more efficient processor wise? It seems when there are more than 1 ship you can lag and cause you to fly 10 tiles when you only wanted to move a few, causing you to fly into the pirate battleship and essentially blow up.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 08, 2011, 02:30:34 am
behind them. That is so cool, since when has that been in?
Post by: Tarran on March 08, 2011, 02:49:56 am
I just ran into some creatures that left trails of ammoniaA while. I posted about Magma worms a long time ago.
behind them. That is so cool, since when has that been in?
Anyone else encounter a magma worm yet? I have. :P
Too bad that guy is dead.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 08, 2011, 11:50:27 am
quite a bit and this is the first I saw any like it.
Post by: Tarran on March 08, 2011, 01:12:25 pm
They must be rare. I have been playing this gameYeah, they are rare. But extremely obvious once you enter a planet.
quite a bit and this is the first I saw any like it.
Also:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also2: Why are you typing like that? Small screen or something?
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 08, 2011, 01:14:16 pm
ago and never stopped. Also they do not drop artifacts.
Post by: Tarran on March 08, 2011, 01:15:42 pm
It is a preference that I have. I started doing it a bitAh, I thought I saw them dropping artifacts before. Guess not.
ago and never stopped. Also they do not drop artifacts.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 08, 2011, 01:19:10 pm
but the creatures that leave paths are not unique. They
are just not that common. I had one spawn practically on
top of my ship and only made it out of there because it
was slower then me and stayed in sight of my ship so I
could plasma it over and over.
Post by: Orb on March 08, 2011, 05:07:35 pm
Also, I find worms all the time. About 1/15 planets. They usually kill me because I walk around like I'm on top of the world and move 3 times before I see it.
Also, suggestion: Give the LR Fighter a higher scanner max because its difficult to find enemy pirates with a lv 1. Unless I'm going about it wrong.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 10, 2011, 07:59:10 pm
scanning a planet. You need the ship detection system or
the improved version to find ships. They cost 1500 and 3000
respectively and are in the sensor category of ship upgrades.
Post by: Neonivek on March 10, 2011, 09:17:53 pm
How about a planet that takes all your lost crew members ever lose, and possible slain sentients, and sends them after you!
and the plot twist is that there is a huge psychic trying to drive you insane so you die from shock.
Post by: Orb on March 10, 2011, 09:51:55 pm
I think the sensor only works for the battle screen and
scanning a planet. You need the ship detection system or
the improved version to find ships. They cost 1500 and 3000
respectively and are in the sensor category of ship upgrades.
Sorry, but you are wrong in several ways.
1. I've noticed late game a lv 5 sensor will detect a lot more ships, and farther out at that too, than lower lvs.
2. Scanners "scan" farther the higher their lv, I know this from the nav computer and how it lays out blue dots.
3. The LR fighter starts off with a ship detection system, and I've seen maybe one ship on my screen, once, I think.
...and Neo, that doesn't really sound like a fun planet. And you would get murdered, rather quickly.
Possible bug: You can throw as many grenades as your heart pleases in one "turn", therefore you can kill anything, with enough grenades. That might be intended, but meh.
Something overlooked: If you find a friendly creature, you can talk to them for pretty much hours and get random art items for free, which you can then sell for big bucks. Perhaps after a while the animal says "leave me alone", and if you don't it attacks?
Also, I can't find a use for rovers. They don't work when you are off planet(maybe a bug), and can be destroyed by aliens which makes them a pretty heavy investment to just wait around your ship while your rover explores.
Post by: Orb on March 11, 2011, 10:21:04 pm
Post by: magellan on March 12, 2011, 04:30:56 am
The game is talking nonesense.
It says "screenshot.bmp" but actually saves it to "shipname.bmp"
It's right there in the main folder, otherwise.
Will fix that.
As a side note:
I am mainly waiting for the last sprites, and trying to remember what else I wanted to fix before letting this thing out into the wild.
We are talking about hours here... :)
Post by: Qinetix on March 12, 2011, 04:45:04 am
Post by: magellan on March 12, 2011, 04:49:03 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 12, 2011, 04:52:44 am
tell you enough it means that each pixel will be like a
god to you.
Post by: Qinetix on March 12, 2011, 10:10:34 am
Gah this game takes allot of procesing power ... I like it!
Post by: Deon on March 12, 2011, 11:18:28 am
He agrees: (http://img.ie/5ac26.png)
Business is business.
Anyway, now it's Magellan's turn, because he has all required tiles now :).
Post by: magellan on March 12, 2011, 12:20:46 pm
Enjoy Prospector 0.2.0 The Deonified version
And yes, it is still here
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/downloads/list
Post by: Deon on March 12, 2011, 12:22:08 pm
P.S. Did you include the sounds I've sent you? :) I've got a couple more.
Post by: Deon on March 12, 2011, 12:29:31 pm
Why are space stations now "F"? I have a graphic for that. Also you seem to use wrong tiles for gas could. That for density 1 should be to the right of the currently used.
P.S. I SEE!
Guys, go into config.txt and change:
_tix:24
_tiy:24
Otherwise you will get wrong graphics.
Magellan, fix it in your archive, please :).
Post by: magellan on March 12, 2011, 12:35:53 pm
And yes, i included the sounds you sent me.
Ooops....
Fixed.
Thanks for spotting and pointing that out Deon!
Post by: Bitoru on March 12, 2011, 12:41:31 pm
Post by: Deon on March 12, 2011, 12:48:35 pm
Post by: magellan on March 12, 2011, 12:50:20 pm
Post by: BishopX on March 12, 2011, 01:13:12 pm
1) Any purchase screen where it should prompt you for a number to buy/hire doesn't actually display the prompt, it still wiats for the input though.
2) When you turn the display star systems on bar option on, the bar is now shunted all the way to the right. Which is kinda annoying.
3) The tile for gravitational anomalies is too similar to normal space, I often wander into it because I can't tell the difference.
4)I'm stuck in a space elevator. There doesn't seem to be an exit tile. Help?
Post by: Deon on March 12, 2011, 01:16:14 pm
3) It's kinda intentional, but I can change it :). Colorful stars seemed pretty distinguishable for me.
Post by: BishopX on March 12, 2011, 01:34:12 pm
1) Hm, it prompts me just fine, strange.
3) It's kinda intentional, but I can change it :). Colorful stars seemed pretty distinguishable for me.
I like the stars, I just think the blue/red distinction is too small... maybe brighter anomaly colors?
Post by: Deon on March 12, 2011, 01:38:30 pm
Post by: freeformschooler on March 12, 2011, 01:48:07 pm
Post by: yamo on March 12, 2011, 01:48:14 pm
Post by: Deon on March 12, 2011, 01:49:31 pm
Would a grav anomoly be a black hole? if so a deep(er), filled black circle surrounded by a halo of Hawking radiation, maybe?Yeah, except for the fact that they cover hundreds of tiles, so seeing hundreds of black holes... yeah.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 12, 2011, 03:50:10 pm
it does take a little to relearn what everything is again.
To start I wondered why it was so easy till I noticed
the easy start was on. Needless to say I was not getting
the proper amount of vitamin beat-down with that on so
I promptly turned it off.
Post by: baruk on March 12, 2011, 05:24:52 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 12, 2011, 05:45:12 pm
but nothing happens when I try to select it.
Also when in space and you try to take over a ship
the thing that shows you the comparison between your
ship and the new one is so far to the right that you only
see the first letters of some of the words.
Post by: Deon on March 12, 2011, 06:28:03 pm
I can't seem to get a hull I designed. Its in the listYeah, probably another interface bug of resolution transitions. Magellan will be able to fix it quick. Thanks for finding it :).
but nothing happens when I try to select it.
Also when in space and you try to take over a ship
the thing that shows you the comparison between your
ship and the new one is so far to the right that you only
see the first letters of some of the words.
Just started playing this the other day (on 0.17) - so far I've had 2 different crashes when shooting at aliens with my away team. Is this a known issue? Will try out 0.20 and see if it happens again.With "f" key, or that option which allows you to redirect target to different aliens?
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 12, 2011, 06:55:13 pm
the place with the people complaining about the mushroom
cave having a monster it doesn't appear unless you are
in ascii mode though you can still enter it even if you don't
see it.
And I was just ambushed and the screen went black and
crashed. the save file also disappeared.
Post by: Qinetix on March 12, 2011, 11:46:23 pm
Post by: Deon on March 13, 2011, 12:48:44 am
Tunnels don't appear in the graphic mode or at leastThere is a "tunnel" graphical tile... Magellan?!!!
the place with the people complaining about the mushroom
cave having a monster it doesn't appear unless you are
in ascii mode though you can still enter it even if you don't
see it.
And I was just ambushed and the screen went black and
crashed. the save file also disappeared.
:P
Post by: SniHjen on March 13, 2011, 06:43:53 am
"???" invisble enemies, other peaceful explores suddenly attacking like animals and "Destroy 20 of my men in one combat turn" bullshit.
remove these things from the game and it's be playable.
the worst is when it's a group of "smith and Weston security" teams.
"we are fighting the pirates over control of these ruins want to help?"
"sure."
"the security team suddenly seems aggressive"
"you have been struck down."
Post by: magellan on March 13, 2011, 07:47:08 am
And then I was hung over
Anyhows: Fixed the bugs mentioned here with invisible portals, and some stuff being to far right.
As for Smith sec teams getting agressive: Yeah, I know. they tend to blame the player when they see a dead comrade. Faction system needs a little more work.
Post by: Qinetix on March 13, 2011, 08:01:50 am
The ship landed on such a surface and i do not have the smallest idea of how to get it out of it
Post by: magellan on March 13, 2011, 08:04:38 am
Post by: Qinetix on March 13, 2011, 08:09:48 am
Oh other stranded ships , i am so ... perhaps or not
PERFEECT , i found a security drone den , my team got completly oliberated
... that was bad.. very bad
Post by: Deon on March 13, 2011, 09:08:28 am
Sometimes the game is close to Ivan in this matter, but I enjoy it :P.
Post by: magellan on March 13, 2011, 11:04:37 am
If you look at DCSS, most new caracters will start dungeon level 1, and will have passed 2-9 before arriving at 10.
The only way I can think of to improve this would be to calculate a point system for planets, based on their distance to a station, and being in a gas cloud and then assign the special planets with more dangerous ones being further away, and harder to reach, putting them in the mid to endgame.
Oh: And the question about the Ship designer: You can build larger ships at the planetside shipyard.
Post by: Deon on March 13, 2011, 11:19:00 am
Post by: BigD145 on March 13, 2011, 11:24:28 am
Post by: magellan on March 13, 2011, 11:52:50 am
But how did we first meet the borg? Q threw us halfway across the galaxy just to watch the enterprise in a non level-appropriate encounter :)
Post by: beorn080 on March 13, 2011, 12:16:29 pm
Idea for a game mode. Xom mode. Basically there would be a Q like entity, similar to Xom from DCSS and Q, who would mess with the PC whenever it got bored.
Post by: MasterFancyPants on March 13, 2011, 06:35:09 pm
"Our tradition is to eat those that have died. Usually only the closest family gets a piece though"
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Deon on March 13, 2011, 07:45:29 pm
Post by: Qinetix on March 14, 2011, 12:04:03 am
Btw there should be more ships...
Post by: scout890 on March 14, 2011, 01:43:52 am
Post by: yamo on March 14, 2011, 02:38:42 am
Post by: Deon on March 14, 2011, 04:47:47 am
An awesome let's play!
Magellan, look at 29:25. An explored ship turns into a "fortress" graphic for some reason (as well as its doors). Fix please? :)
P.S. Also there's no atmosphere in that ship even when you walk in from a planet with an atmosphere. And ice/snow around it for some reason.
Post by: Deon on March 14, 2011, 06:09:57 am
Post by: niltrias on March 14, 2011, 06:50:31 am
(Well, I'll be "aquainting" myself with the new version regardless, heh)
Post by: magellan on March 14, 2011, 10:40:27 am
@Niltrias: Your quickstart guide was, as far as i could tell, very popular and well written too. I meant to update it myself time and time again, but If you want to do it: Go ahead!
Post by: Deon on March 14, 2011, 10:54:53 am
Here's my first attempt. It didn't go well, but I will make more and make sure they are without faults likes those :).
Let's spread the word about this cool game!
P.S. Magellan, if you check it, you see that I couldn't assign a picked up alien knife to a specific crewmember :). Please fix the inventory system when you have time :).
And I think I can't read items' descriptions from the 'E' menu.
P.P.S. Around 25 the buildings change tiles for some reason.
Post by: Qinetix on March 14, 2011, 11:17:17 am
Secondly: Why the alien scoutship i found got screwed right when i had only 4 hours left to repair? Damn thats bad luck
Post by: magellan on March 14, 2011, 11:32:15 am
But other than that, (And the warm fuzzy feeling to have made the galaxy a saver place), not really...
Post by: BishopX on March 14, 2011, 12:03:48 pm
Post by: baruk on March 14, 2011, 01:37:36 pm
Quote from: Deon
After you press the f key, you get a choice of choose target or divide fire.Just started playing this the other day (on 0.17) - so far I've had 2 different crashes when shooting at aliens with my away team. Is this a known issue? Will try out 0.20 and see if it happens again.With "f" key, or that option which allows you to redirect target to different aliens?
Crash no.1 was from using the divide fire option, the combat system seemed to go into an endless loop of the same two messages over and over (luckily I was able to reload from the auto-save). Here's a screenshot:
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/4537/bugpros.png) (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/bugpros.png/)
Crash no.2 was from using the choose target option, which I usually have no problem with. The game just froze as it was displaying the stars representing my line of fire (as above, but without any obvious looping of combat messages). I had to close the game manually, and afterwards discovered that my save game had also been deleted.
Post by: magellan on March 14, 2011, 02:01:58 pm
Fixed in 0.2
Edit to add: Also that should be "too strong", not "to strong". ... why do I only see stuff like that in screenshots, and never while testing? :)
Post by: Qinetix on March 14, 2011, 02:03:59 pm
Post by: magellan on March 14, 2011, 02:08:51 pm
Post by: Qinetix on March 14, 2011, 02:33:21 pm
Post by: Orb on March 14, 2011, 02:53:45 pm
1. Graphics for some alien ships go wonky and show a "Space Station". Literally.
2. Key configuration(messing around with it) starts to really mess with the game when you change it. I had this downloaded on a laptop, and I changed the key configuration around, and eventually I reached a point where if I pressed the up arrow a wormhole map would appear(even on the main screen), and if I press "right" I would dock(if I was one tile left of the thing I wanted to dock at). The dock key I assigned didn't work.
3. When I boarded a drifting ship, I swear I saw that alien "crystal" in space. It then plopped itself on my ship and, being only a 5 member crew, died promptly.
Some suggestions:
1. To make space combat more interesting, perhaps the ability to individually target systems? Like shields, for example. Or weapons. It would have a low chance, depending on the damage and the skill of your gunner. It would have a lower chance to "hit", and do general damage also.
2. Going with 1., the possibility to board a ship once its weapons, shields, and engines are knocked out, and all other enemy ships are dead. You would have to fight and kill whatever crew it has.
Post by: Qinetix on March 14, 2011, 03:01:47 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 14, 2011, 03:08:05 pm
pay your crew more then you had.
Post by: Deon on March 14, 2011, 04:22:37 pm
Erm.... about a year ago I was toying around with that, shelfed it to get some direly needed Bugfixes out, and it's been on the shelf since. :-[Just today I thought how cool would it be to make "castle"-type structures with an environement close to that of a small space station on random planets; and make you to be able to buy a colony module and build one (and slowly recieve some revenue if it's not too far from trading routes) :).
Post by: Deon on March 14, 2011, 04:24:23 pm
Post by: Orb on March 14, 2011, 06:59:14 pm
A lot of tunnels I am unable to see, such as the "green alien with mushrooms in cave" one, and the centipede planet. Also on the planet with the scout ship behind the force field.
Post by: niltrias on March 14, 2011, 09:18:19 pm
Post by: Deon on March 15, 2011, 05:02:38 am
Maybe you should stop, take a breath and check all existing types of entrance/exit tiles? If you by chance need more types, I can draw them ASAP.
Post by: Robsoie on March 15, 2011, 07:46:38 am
Congratulations to the author.
Post by: vikingefar on March 15, 2011, 05:57:55 pm
Post by: Orb on March 15, 2011, 06:15:03 pm
The "smoke" clouds that form when shooting space ships and the like never seem to actually be on the spaceships. More like 3 tiles away.
I've gotten a crash at least twice by scanning an asteroid belt and being attacked by a fission reactor station thingy. Save isn't deleted, though.
Worm Division Creatures(WDC's) seem to be able to go into space, for I had them things climbing into the ship through airlocks while battling the infinite amount of worms coming through a door. Then I blasted a hole in the wall and they all died. Seems a bit contradictory if they can go into space.
Post by: magellan on March 15, 2011, 11:43:30 pm
Did the crashes produce anything in the error.log files?
Also, as a side note, there have been 2 reports of prospector running with winebottler on mac. Doesn't seem to work on my Hackintosh, so can't confirm nor deny.
Allright: looks like I got stuff to do.
Post by: vikingefar on March 16, 2011, 05:26:53 am
0.2.1 Error #1 in 651:COM_DISPLAY C:/Prospector/src/Googlecode/spacecom.bas
allso i have a minor feature request: i would really appreciate if i could toggle "key repeat" on and off. am tired of bashing the movement keys for walking and scanning planets. would be really nice if you could implement that!
Post by: magellan on March 16, 2011, 05:32:51 am
As for walking on the planet: if you press w and then the direction you walk into that direction until something happens (works on the space map too)
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 16, 2011, 05:34:06 am
because if it doesn't it really needs to.
Post by: vikingefar on March 16, 2011, 05:36:25 am
Yup, that would be it, thanksGreat thx!
As for walking on the planet: if you press w and then the direction you walk into that direction until something happens (works on the space map too)
Does it say the 'w' thing somewhere and I just missed it?
because if it doesn't it really needs to.
Yeah i completely managed to miss that as well. Maybe its in the extended documentation? I just read the quickstart.
Post by: Orb on March 16, 2011, 06:15:49 am
Yup, that would be it, thanksGreat thx!
As for walking on the planet: if you press w and then the direction you walk into that direction until something happens (works on the space map too)Does it say the 'w' thing somewhere and I just missed it?
because if it doesn't it really needs to.
Yeah i completely managed to miss that as well. Maybe its in the extended documentation? I just read the quickstart.
Read the key configuration menu. It has a lot of vague keys that are useful. Such as dropping shields or opening helmets(Oxygen)..
Which reminds me. Dropping shields and scanning enemy ships are the same key. I turned dropping shields to shift+s, and it doesn't seem to cause any problems.
"Edit" Also, toggle man jets/target landing don't seem to work, at least in the sense I'm using them. I have no idea how toggling off your man jets could be useful(they help prevent crashes, right?).
Questions: Does the ECM system stop rockets? Does cargo shielding stop your cargo from getting blown out?
Post by: magellan on March 16, 2011, 08:53:16 am
Anyway: No, Manjets add maneuvering points in space combat at the cost of additional heat
ECM adds a modifier to missile hitrolls
Cargo Shielding makes it harder to scan your cargo hold (when you transport funky stuff onto space stations) But now that you mention it, protection against cargo hits could be something it does as well.
I am at this very moment writing a list of keys, and what they do, to add to the ingame help.
Post by: niltrias on March 17, 2011, 01:24:47 pm
Still, I think I can get an updated draft out this weekend.
Magellen, maybe I could pm/email it to you, you comment on any area you want expanded or things I might have missed, send back, I complete....finalization goal being the weekend after?
Post by: Orb on March 17, 2011, 05:30:00 pm
Crashed. See in the bottom left corner? Yah, that kept switching between all sorts of random graphics, and stopped on the "enter ship" or whatever graphic, then changed some more, then stopped....then the game closed (hit any key to escape it said).
I was on a planet falling into the sun, and I had just found the "bones" of one of my previous explorations a few planets back.
Post by: Neonivek on March 17, 2011, 06:23:56 pm
Post by: Deon on March 17, 2011, 06:31:19 pm
Neonivek: if you mean terrain transition (corners, sides etc.) it would be great :). I wonder if Magellan can do it.
Post by: Neonivek on March 18, 2011, 07:17:07 am
Post by: ductape on March 18, 2011, 09:44:51 am
Post by: magellan on March 18, 2011, 10:16:52 am
Would be a gazillion of tiles though
Water-Sand
Water-Rock
Water-Grass
Water-woods
Water-....
Acid-Sand
Acid-Rock
Acid-....
And not just one of each, but 8
Not sure if that would be worth the effort
As for the crash: Tried 5 times, and got the crash on 2.
The other 3 times i was able to run around till the planet sploded.
I guess It will take some time to find that one.
Post by: Neonivek on March 18, 2011, 10:20:52 am
Though at minimum it would be nice if Sand beside sand would be a stretch of sand.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on March 18, 2011, 10:22:41 am
what you have now and 8 transparency masks. You
just have it so that you can have 2 terrain types
shown in a square and have the top one partly transparent
in the correct way. Of course specific things like buildings
you would not want to do this with and some of the tiles
would need to be changed somewhat to fit in better.
Post by: ductape on March 18, 2011, 10:34:31 am
Post by: magellan on March 18, 2011, 11:32:23 am
Also I think I found the culprit causing the freezing mentioned by Orb.
Post by: Deon on March 18, 2011, 01:38:19 pm
Coastlines would be possible, i guess.It's not a gazillion of tiles.
Would be a gazillion of tiles though
Water-Sand
Water-Rock
Water-Grass
Water-woods
Water-....
Acid-Sand
Acid-Rock
Acid-....
And not just one of each, but 8
Not sure if that would be worth the effort
As for the crash: Tried 5 times, and got the crash on 2.
The other 3 times i was able to run around till the planet sploded.
I guess It will take some time to find that one.
It's common for pixel art games :P. You just need 16 tiles for each terrain transition.
http://www.goblincamp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=341
As you see I have no problems in making it (and water :P).
Post by: PsyberianHusky on March 27, 2011, 09:45:06 pm
0.2.1 Error #12 in -1:LOADFONTS C:/Prospector/src/Googlecode/fileIO.bas
Post by: magellan on March 28, 2011, 09:49:32 am
If I understand it correctly this means Freebasic has problems with your graphics card.
Don't know if this gives you any comfort at all, but you are one of 2 people that have this problem.
What might work, is turning of custom fonts (Open config.txt, set tiles=1 and customfonts=1)
Of course this unfortunately also means no tiles for you :(
Sorry...
Post by: Deon on March 28, 2011, 02:43:51 pm
Post by: SniHjen on April 02, 2011, 03:28:08 am
There are a number of things that really are starting to piss me off.
Enemies that just spawn where ever the god damn please.
This is really annoying with you are boarding a standed ship, because sometimes the 'eh'.. "units" will spawn in space.
They will also spawn in in the middle of it.
I just lost my away team to the fast growing worm (on a ship) because they kept spawning in in empty rooms behind me.
Also: blowing the wall of the ship away with the ship cannon (or laser or whatever) doesn't cause the ship to lose air.
Suggestion: could you please make it so that friendly creatures move away when you move into their square? especially the 'truck stop' stations, the ''citizens" keep getting in my way, it's rather annoying.
Some objects, like landing gear and ship detector, you only need 1 of them, could you make the game treat them like it does sensors, engines and shield?
Also: it would be awesome if objects (armour and guns) would be removed from the inventory list when equipped.
@Deon
there are 2 animals that don't have any sprite, making them invisible.
Post by: Deon on April 02, 2011, 06:04:19 am
Post by: Neonivek on April 02, 2011, 08:02:50 am
Which ones? If you mean invisible monsters, they are invisible.
They are also phasic
Post by: SniHjen on April 02, 2011, 08:12:17 am
Post by: magellan on April 02, 2011, 08:31:36 am
Post by: SniHjen on April 02, 2011, 09:08:29 am
Unfortunately I havn't save-scummed, so I can't give you a save.
Post by: magellan on May 22, 2011, 03:36:37 pm
New Prospector version is out.
It's still here:
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/downloads/list
Changelog looks like this:
* You can now circumnavigate planets east to west
* Critters don't blame you anymore if someone else killed their friends
* 5 Easy Systems close to the starting station should make the early game easier
* Companies pay bonuses for certain milestones reached
* New PDF Manual
* Shouldnt crash anymore on doomed planet & with ship fire
* Firing weapons on a planets surface now generates heat, and causes reload time
* New unique planet
* Dying planet is now a semi special
* Improved Logbook and Autopilot for more comfy exploration of the universe
* New Item: Gas Giant Mining probe
* Some portals that were invisible now have the tiles they need
* Some bugs and glitches fixed
Any feedback highly appreciated!
Post by: Deon on May 22, 2011, 03:38:44 pm
Thank you very much for keeping my interest with your cool game, Magellan :P. Too bad right now I am a bit busy with diploma, but I will give it a try!
P.S. Did you fix an explored ship turning into a castle?
Post by: Majestic7 on May 22, 2011, 03:42:20 pm
Post by: magellan on May 22, 2011, 03:53:53 pm
P.S. Did you fix an explored ship turning into a castle?
Yep, thats fixed, and some other tile confusion too.
Post by: Tarran on May 23, 2011, 04:25:36 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on May 30, 2011, 08:05:51 am
Post by: kcwong on June 10, 2011, 10:30:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/0hz4O.png)
It's mid to late game, and I landed on this planet with defense robots and a planetary defense system. I destroyed two factories on the surface, found a turret protected by force field and then went into this cave.
I cannot destroy the walls here... I found no other entrances. Is this a bug? Is my best game in this version over just because of that?
Post by: magellan on June 11, 2011, 12:46:25 am
How is your science officer? (Maybe even turning on autoinspect)
Post by: kcwong on June 11, 2011, 01:41:56 am
Here's my save if you want to take a look:
http://www.box.net/shared/tsdifnpjo8q3c0kzeamd (http://www.box.net/shared/tsdifnpjo8q3c0kzeamd) (No registration required)
My science guy is not very good btw... the last one was an alien who joined early on, and he retired some time ago.
By the way, Prospector sometimes crash suddenly, usually during a fight (engaged by hostile ships), leaving nothing but an "empty.sav" behind.
Post by: magellan on June 11, 2011, 01:53:24 am
Post by: kcwong on June 11, 2011, 01:55:37 am
The invisible shafts and fight crashs should be fixed. You do have the current version 0.2.2?
Yes, the change log said it is 0.2.2, it's a new game in this version.
Post by: magellan on June 11, 2011, 02:28:20 am
Will fix.
I could modify the savegame manually to include the missing control terminal for the forcefield?
Anyway...here is the modified savegame:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=85257635125412389828
modified game: May still take a bit.
Post by: kcwong on June 11, 2011, 03:13:41 am
The same happened again! I cannot find a way to proceed. All the enemies are dead, I found my way into the deepest cave but no boss to beat, no consoles to use, etc.
Is that a problem about the map generation... which means, many of my unique planets are generated with a dead end?
Edit:
I'll report some minor bugs while you're here...
- The comment function sometimes glitch. When I press "C" (that's what I've mapped), the green cursor sometimes do not appear on my ship's location. Instead it's moved a random distance to the left - and comments I typed will end up shifted as well.
- The bug that the captain is stuck in on ship (after getting hallucination) is still there.
Post by: Deon on June 11, 2011, 03:44:38 am
If you could fix the control terminal, it would be great, Magellan :).
Post by: magellan on June 11, 2011, 04:01:11 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: kcwong on June 11, 2011, 05:02:24 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ah... my bad. I've located it, and I tried to shoot it several times before, but didn't get any message about damaging it or any visual change, so I figured that wasn't what I need to find. Turns out I just need to shoot it more... then it loses its colour in ASCII mode and I was able to take off.
Post by: kcwong on June 11, 2011, 05:17:18 am
(http://i.imgur.com/20gf5.png)
Seems to be a buffer overflow, as I have collected a huge amount of artifacts and haven't returned for a while.
Game crashes when I try to design a new custom hull. The console window comes up (I had it minimized) and yellow text said press key to exit.
Post by: Jimlad11 on June 24, 2011, 11:59:51 am
Post by: Bronimin on June 27, 2011, 12:53:43 pm
Post by: magellan on July 16, 2011, 07:31:07 am
But let me use this opprotunity to necro this thread once again, and tell everybody who wants to know that I just released a version with a few bugs fixed.
Also there is now a precompiled Linux version
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/downloads/list
Enjoy!
Post by: BigD145 on July 16, 2011, 10:32:56 am
7) buy an awesome ship and get killed by the still-hostile station anti-pirate cruisers
You don't stop being a pirate by killing pirates. You keep on being a pirate by killing pirates. That's why pirates are awesome.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on July 16, 2011, 08:22:58 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 16, 2011, 10:11:39 pm
Post by: Neonivek on July 16, 2011, 10:16:26 pm
Good, I was getting a little worried what with no recent updates. Also Magellan, its not necro, its an update. Your always welcome to post in the thread here with new updates as far as I am concerned.
Yeah by all means we are waiting for your updates a lot of the time...
The reason why Necros are hated is because they are reviving unwanted threads that died of natural causes.
In your case your bringing up a topic that people are in fact still waiting on.
Post by: Angle on July 16, 2011, 11:09:07 pm
Post by: Carcanken on July 16, 2011, 11:47:02 pm
Post by: em312s0n on July 17, 2011, 01:44:20 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on July 17, 2011, 01:51:12 am
It was always the animals, those goddamn animals.
Post by: Greenbane on July 17, 2011, 12:06:15 pm
How difficult is this game compared to DF? Like, is it something like M>B>I to goto inventory (just an example) and no mouse support?
Roguelikes very rarely have any mouse support at all. Complexity-wise, Prospector's like the average roguelike, so it's not a menu hell like DF can be. Try it out.
Post by: magellan on August 08, 2011, 12:13:58 am
That said: 0.2.2c is out, mainly a bugfix release.
Here are the details:
* new rumors about special planets
* you now can save the star-creatures with environmental problems
* game now actually reads savescumming option
* some cave entries were invisible in tiles mode
* special planets now get marked in tiles mode too
* some balancing
* Camo (including the artifact) and firing several weapons at once in space combat works now
* Some minor bugs fixed
Enjoy!
Post by: Jacob/Lee on August 08, 2011, 12:20:54 am
Anyway, might get into playing this again. Last time I played I farmed minerals on a lifeless husk in the middle of nowhere that strangely had air, then died when I landed on the wrong planet and was gunned down by security teams.
Post by: Robsoie on August 08, 2011, 02:08:42 am
Post by: magellan on August 09, 2011, 11:29:27 am
Anyway: If anybody downloaded the linux version in the last 2 days: I accidently uploaded 0.2.2a. Just found out and corrected that and uploaded the right version.
So, i suggest you get it again, if you had DLed the old one.
Post by: baruk on August 09, 2011, 12:13:22 pm
Post by: magellan on August 09, 2011, 12:19:51 pm
It's not like its: "you land, you lose"
Post by: baruk on August 09, 2011, 12:57:26 pm
So it's a case of:
1. You land
2. Surprise Arbitrary Challenge!
3. You lose (due to being unprepared for arbitrary challenge)
Which I found frustrating. Now perhaps it's my fault as I was missing some crucial warning eg. a skilled Science Officer identifying the potential danger. Or perhaps I was just missing the rule of thumb "special planets = death".
At some point I will get back into the game, which I have enjoyed for the most part. But only once the trauma has subsided..
Post by: magellan on August 09, 2011, 01:23:40 pm
Improving the descriptions of the uniques to better reflect their relative danger level is something I've been planning to at least try to do for quite some time now.
(There are also now some rumors to be heard in the bar like "Nobody has ever returned from a system at X/Y" that hint at dangerous specials)
Post by: Aklyon on August 09, 2011, 01:44:09 pm
Oh god, I remember how often I died on this game.Cool to find a thread about it here, though.
It was always the animals, those goddamn animals.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 09, 2011, 03:03:48 pm
Which I found frustrating. Now perhaps it's my fault as I was missing some crucial warning eg. a skilled Science Officer identifying the potential danger. Or perhaps I was just missing the rule of thumb "special planets = death".
Not all special planets, just a large majority of them. There's a certain few that are both neat, full of valuable things, and not even that dangerous.
Want a big hint?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Little on August 10, 2011, 10:27:17 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on August 11, 2011, 11:46:19 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on August 12, 2011, 01:46:47 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on August 12, 2011, 01:49:51 am
Post by: AVE on August 12, 2011, 02:38:32 am
Post by: Neonivek on August 12, 2011, 02:40:24 am
How finished is it? Can I actually play it or it is largely in beta stage? Looking at version number I'd rather suspect it is early beta.
You can actually play it...
Post by: Hanzoku on August 12, 2011, 03:08:56 am
Post by: Majestic7 on August 12, 2011, 03:36:59 am
Post by: enigma74 on August 12, 2011, 10:34:46 pm
Post by: kcwong on August 13, 2011, 12:51:53 am
Post by: Seriyu on August 13, 2011, 01:11:15 am
Extra HP? Or are they litterally the only crew members that can shoot and actually hit something?
Post by: kcwong on August 13, 2011, 03:28:56 am
No, everyone in the team can shoot and kill. But the redshirts usually die first when things attack. Remember to adjust their tactics (T iirc)... the default settings will make your team fight recklessly and got them killed quickly. Change to a defensive tactics and they'll do better.
Post by: Seriyu on August 14, 2011, 03:56:40 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on August 14, 2011, 03:41:38 pm
Post by: BigD145 on August 14, 2011, 04:32:07 pm
Yeah, security personnel are just redshirts that you can give guns to boost your firepower without adding expensive, redundant and useless special personnel (like scientists)
Scientists carry your lockpicks. That is very useful. Do you know how heavy space lockpicks can get?
Post by: Jacob/Lee on August 14, 2011, 11:00:13 pm
The redundancy being part of the uselessness. And yes, space lockpicks are very heavy.Yeah, security personnel are just redshirts that you can give guns to boost your firepower without adding expensive, redundant and useless special personnel (like scientists)
Scientists carry your lockpicks. That is very useful. Do you know how heavy space lockpicks can get?
My whole team of 5 got killed by a leaf. Ayup, a leaf. ::)
Post by: kcwong on August 14, 2011, 11:59:26 pm
Post by: Little on August 15, 2011, 12:32:21 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on August 15, 2011, 12:33:40 am
I really need some good tips for survival/money making. Also, how do I get better crewmembers?
Post by: Majestic7 on August 15, 2011, 02:11:26 am
You recruit better officers from bars, with random chance. Old ones might gain experience as well. Some special planets likewise have officers that can join you. Crew members get experience too, but I wouldn't care too much about that. They die a lot. If you get superb officers, remember to install loyalty chip in black market cyber clinic so they won't leave you.
Post by: Hanzoku on August 15, 2011, 02:28:20 am
Post by: a1s on August 15, 2011, 04:46:37 am
I really need some good tips for survival/money making.Trade. Also stocks (buy below 100 sell above). You'll be rich with no risk (compared to landing on omnicidal* worlds). It's rather boring however.
(*)That is to say "everything is [trying to] kill you"
Post by: kcwong on August 15, 2011, 06:56:12 am
You can get money for better ship and equipment by exploring. Just run from all monsters, concentrate on exploring lifeless planets and claiming minerals. If you found drifting space ships, you can score a new ship for free. Just shoot a hole in the outer hull, that kills most monsters due to vacuum exposure.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: hemmingjay on August 15, 2011, 07:03:34 am
Post by: Neonivek on August 15, 2011, 07:06:42 am
can you tag that last one in a spoiler tag please? Thanks!
I have to agree
Post by: kcwong on August 15, 2011, 10:20:37 am
Post by: magellan on August 18, 2011, 04:01:10 am
In the first station look for the guy in the white coat.
He can tell you the position of 5 systems, where the critters are less dangerous.
Also: ever tried (r)adioing your ship while on a planet? there are 2 commands that can be pretty usefull
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That beeing said I am right now working on improving the crew system (so that you can take a spare pilot with you, and have 4 science officers) and might have a new release for the weekend.
Post by: Neonivek on August 19, 2011, 07:58:16 pm
Odd...
Suggestions!
-Can we not shut the game down when our guy dies?
-Why don't ordinary trade offices take priceless resources? They take other junk. I can understand them not offering much mind you.
-Door Checks? Given this is a game widely ruled by ranged combat. Walking right through a door can be suicidal (In fact I died that way against a foe I was far supperior to)
-Make Danger space more visable: It almost makes the navagational computer a negative as it makes the stars of DEATH less visable
-Really REALLY needs to be a better pay structure. I just love how I died essentially becuase I had to pay my crew twice because of a quarenteen.
-Investments don't show a price
-Non-bought items: Some items you can't buy need descriptions. Such as any art.
NON-Fixes
-Scanner Advantage: Another thing I'd like for the scanner to be able to do, possibly, is for it to allow "Autoscan" without loss of movement. Bio-data has already been nerfed heavily so it isn't like the scan is all that vital.
-Things to do with captured aliens: I don't like that they just disapear... I would have loved to do things with them like sell them into slavery, convinced them to join my team, something along those lines.
I'll see if I can drum up more suggestions
I mean, I still have gameplay suggestions but tweeking for now isn't so bad.
Having a tough time making money but that is fine. gone are the days I could easily just scan every plant on a planet, kill its entire population, and take all their resources and come back rich enough for a new ship.
Does anyone know what items I need to survive in a Currosive atmosphere? I am leaning on personal forcefields. Or how to filter out chemicals in the atmosphere?
I've made a conclusion. Exploration is no longer sustainable on its own. You actually have to trade until you get the bankroll required to have a team that can survive a unlucky planet (as any planet can suddenly have a very violent 1000 point bruiser who eats your entire team) as well as fully explore it.
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!
My ultimate save
Destroyed by a glitch!
My games crash a LOT and always when going into my inventory. I actually have to Savescum now.
As another suggestion
Put a copy of this thread in the Creative projects page. It would stay on the first page a lot longer then in here.
Post by: Chattox on August 22, 2011, 04:47:42 am
Post by: Ivefan on August 22, 2011, 05:32:37 am
If you come across a drifting ship in space you can radio them too first. (Nasty space monsters rarely pick up the phone)Yeah, about that.
So I came a cross a derelict ship. description told me it was a primitive one and it seemed to have been drifting for long enough for any crew to turn into mummies.
Well, It wasn't empty. The supposedly dead crew was quite lively and they had that tenacious alien on board too.
Wasn't primitive either as it had better ship parts than i had in my starter ship.
Post by: magellan on August 22, 2011, 08:26:00 am
As for the radioing thing: Well, not sure what ship you were on, but as I said: If they don't pick up the phone, it can be deserted or ... home to something nasty.
@neonivek: Any info on the crashes, like error.log entries?
Post by: Chattox on August 22, 2011, 12:07:43 pm
Post by: puke on August 22, 2011, 12:32:20 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 22, 2011, 01:08:20 pm
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Tile at 37:14:399=0
0.2.2c Error #6 in 2610:GETITEM C:\Prospector\src\Googlecode\items.bas
0.2.2c Error #6 in 2610:GETITEM C:\Prospector\src\Googlecode\items.bas
0.2.2c Error #6 in 2610:GETITEM C:\Prospector\src\Googlecode\items.bas
0.2.2c Error #6 in 2610:GETITEM C:\Prospector\src\Googlecode\items.bas
I could easily recreate the bug as it happens to me constantly because I frequently check my items using "d" (though one time it was because I traded with a local)
In my game I am still trying to find an art dealer.
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Edit addition
NEW ERROR!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Tile at 11:10:457=0
Tile at 21:2:457=0
Tile at 34:9:457=0
0.2.2c Error #6 in 2070:CUSTOMIZE_ITEM C:\Prospector\src\Googlecode\cargotrade.bas
Post by: magellan on August 23, 2011, 08:24:45 am
Post by: Neonivek on August 24, 2011, 08:35:27 pm
Actually I may have a glitch. I am having duplicate objects with quite a few things.
It could just be that I have an unfathomable amount of objects though (it looks like I won't reach my goal of 1-million though)
Getting soo many crashed... I just built my own ship and it won't save (it just endlessly loads)
Another glitch... My Platform is a barren rock.
Post by: bluephoenix on August 25, 2011, 07:56:45 pm
Post by: bluephoenix on August 25, 2011, 10:23:14 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on August 25, 2011, 10:35:12 pm
Protip: If your ship gets stuck in impassable terrain (mountain, deep water, etc.), you can 'r'adio it to 'land' on your targeted destination. Useful if you're also running out of air. Also, if you need fire support, and if your ship has some weaponry, you can 'r'adio it to 'fire' at an enemy.
Post by: bluephoenix on August 26, 2011, 12:26:50 am
If you have a mining drill, you can dig right through it to pick the stuck item up. If your team has a jetpack, life gets easier, as you can just fly right through, assuming you still have fuel remaining.
Protip: If your ship gets stuck in impassable terrain (mountain, deep water, etc.), you can 'r'adio it to 'land' on your targeted destination. Useful if you're also running out of air. Also, if you need fire support, and if your ship has some weaponry, you can 'r'adio it to 'fire' at an enemy.
Thanks and you just saved my life :P I landed with my ship on a mountain and couldn't get back on.
Post by: Deon on August 26, 2011, 01:23:17 am
2 more survival tipps:Yay, updates are coming! :D
In the first station look for the guy in the white coat.
He can tell you the position of 5 systems, where the critters are less dangerous.
Also: ever tried (r)adioing your ship while on a planet? there are 2 commands that can be pretty usefullIf you come across a drifting ship in space you can radio them too first. (Nasty space monsters rarely pick up the phone)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That beeing said I am right now working on improving the crew system (so that you can take a spare pilot with you, and have 4 science officers) and might have a new release for the weekend.
I did not see this thread in top 10 for some time so I was worried for a while :).
Post by: Deon on August 26, 2011, 01:26:36 am
I guess someone spaced him to get his ID? :D
P.S. I've noticed that some resources are drawn under terrain tiles (or it looks like that: when I don't see it, I can see the resource from scan, but when I approach, I see just a terrain tile; and moving on top of that still picks up the resource). It looks like it occasionally happens no matter what the type of the resource is.
P.P.S. Another problem: I cannot e'x'amine or shoot through the "planet wrapping line", where the east meets west.
Post by: bluephoenix on August 26, 2011, 06:42:04 am
Ah well, new try I guess.
Post by: bluephoenix on August 27, 2011, 10:36:53 pm
I hope development will continue.
Post by: BigD145 on August 28, 2011, 11:27:45 am
P.S. I've noticed that some resources are drawn under terrain tiles (or it looks like that: when I don't see it, I can see the resource from scan, but when I approach, I see just a terrain tile; and moving on top of that still picks up the resource). It looks like it occasionally happens no matter what the type of the resource is.
I've seen this.
Post by: Man of Paper on August 30, 2011, 06:32:42 pm
Post by: BigD145 on August 30, 2011, 06:40:42 pm
I tell myself it's because the mineral is buried.
And you can only see it by looking at it sideways?
Post by: Man of Paper on August 30, 2011, 07:00:39 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 30, 2011, 07:16:07 pm
Post by: BigD145 on August 30, 2011, 08:21:40 pm
Spacedustmadness. Blame it on spacedustmadness.
Post by: Tilla on September 18, 2011, 12:41:44 am
Post by: magellan on September 18, 2011, 01:32:45 pm
And we both have a release for the ARRP!
This is what happened with prospector:
0.2.3
+ 4 new artifacts
+ Autopilot routefinding is now less reckless
+ Autoexplore for more convenient planet mapping
+ You know can fully customize your crew: No fixed slots anymore for officers and redshirts
+ Additional officers can contribute in certain positions:
Pilot - This is a one person job, addtitional pilots don't help
Gunner - Addtional gunners help as long as there are weapons for them to arm
Science Officer - Addtional SOs help up to the max sensor rating of the ship
Doctors - No limit
The final rating is determined as follows:
Each additonal officer adds his skill divided by his position.
If you have 3 SOs its SO1/1+SO2/2+SO3/3 Fractions of a skill point get dropped
+ You can now fire crew members or train them (Forcing another leveling roll for half standard wage)
Post by: Neonivek on September 18, 2011, 01:34:22 pm
Post by: BishopX on September 18, 2011, 01:57:38 pm
Yep, very proud of that :)
And we both have a release for the ARRP!
This is what happened with prospector:
0.2.3
+ 4 new artifacts
+ Autopilot routefinding is now less reckless
+ Autoexplore for more convenient planet mapping
+ You know can fully customize your crew: No fixed slots anymore for officers and redshirts
+ Additional officers can contribute in certain positions:
Pilot - This is a one person job, addtitional pilots don't help
Gunner - Addtional gunners help as long as there are weapons for them to arm
Science Officer - Addtional SOs help up to the max sensor rating of the ship
Doctors - No limit
The final rating is determined as follows:
Each additonal officer adds his skill divided by his position.
If you have 3 SOs its SO1/1+SO2/2+SO3/3 Fractions of a skill point get dropped
+ You can now fire crew members or train them (Forcing another leveling roll for half standard wage)
How are Officers ordered? Can you re-order them? Do are gunners actually associated with the individual guns or that just a max?
Post by: enigma74 on September 18, 2011, 11:06:59 pm
Post by: magellan on September 19, 2011, 03:57:09 am
How are Officers ordered? Can you re-order them? Do are gunners actually associated with the individual guns or that just a max?
It is assumed that the one with the highest skill does the main work, and officers with lower skill assist him. And that of course has dimnishing returns, because stuff needs to get organized in larger teams. So they get ordered highest to lowest, with no option to reorder them.
Edit: also I just uploaded the precompiled linux version
Post by: enigma74 on September 19, 2011, 03:43:55 pm
Found a bug related to the extra officers feature. Probably because officers are no longer hardcoded to slots 2-5, but their experience gain still goes there. Details in your forum.
On the other hand, I've not encountered the phantom resource bug that's been in prospector for like forever. Congratulations for fixing it, that was my number one pet peeve.
Post by: Mephansteras on September 20, 2011, 12:55:27 pm
In any case, I had a blast last night. Had one game where I started myself off with a troop carrier. Did a little exploring and then found a derelict Cruiser infested with mushroom people. I decided that I was going to take that cruiser, no matter what. So I spent quite a while going around and exploring planets to get money, equipping my guys, and then killing as many mushrooms as I could before the losses got so high we had to retreat. Many a redshirt lost his life to those mushrooms, but I eventually cleared it out. And then promptly got slaughtered by some glowing green spider thing on the next planet I visited. Because that's how roguelikes go!
Anyway, great game!
Oh, did have a question, though. How long should one leave a mining robot before going back for it? And do they only really work if you leave them adjacent to minerals buried nearby? Or does that matter?
Post by: puke on September 20, 2011, 06:09:53 pm
Post by: Tarran on September 20, 2011, 06:29:19 pm
Post by: Flare on September 22, 2011, 02:04:29 pm
I tell myself it's because the mineral is buried.
And you can only see it by looking at it sideways?
Many minerals are associated with the layers of rock and the immediately surrounding rocks and minerals around it, and while it may not apply to so many minerals as present in the game, it is quite possible to deduce the location of a mineral just by the surrounding geological features.
Post by: Deon on September 22, 2011, 03:14:01 pm
The exploration and alien elements are awesome, but I miss SEdge's leveling system. It's really nice :D.
Post by: Tarran on September 22, 2011, 06:55:56 pm
But just now, I found out that mine disappeared when I went into a cave! And even worse, it was on an airless world!
Well, at least I had a save I could savescum from.
Only problem is it's before I got the wonderful Teleporter! Argh!
Post by: Tilla on September 22, 2011, 08:23:52 pm
I've played a bit of Stellar Edge, and dude! Prospector DEFINITELY needs more RP elements for its crew.
The exploration and alien elements are awesome, but I miss SEdge's leveling system. It's really nice :D.
High-five, fellow only commenter at the stellar edge site :P Sadly it sounds like the guy is putting this game on the backburner, in favor of..a Western Roguelike, which I approve of quite a lot really.
Post by: klingon13524 on October 01, 2011, 08:04:22 am
Post by: Majestic7 on October 02, 2011, 05:54:34 am
0.2.3 Error #6 in 466:LEVELUP crew.bas
0.2.3 Error #6 in 466:LEVELUP crew.bas
0.2.3 Error #6 in 466:LEVELUP crew.bas
Yes, three times, nothing else. I can continue the game from there, but it has deducted the crew salaries once already and sometimes it takes several times to dock to the station without it crashing.
Post by: Geneoce on October 02, 2011, 09:19:04 am
Bug. Nowadays when I go to a space station and there is a cargo inspection, the game crashes. The error log says:
0.2.3 Error #6 in 466:LEVELUP crew.bas
0.2.3 Error #6 in 466:LEVELUP crew.bas
0.2.3 Error #6 in 466:LEVELUP crew.bas
Yes, three times, nothing else. I can continue the game from there, but it has deducted the crew salaries once already and sometimes it takes several times to dock to the station without it crashing.
This.
Played through about three games with it. My alien scoutship, and both my battleships succumbed to negative crew wages combined with no fuel :(
A fix would be awesome :)
Post by: NRDL on October 04, 2011, 02:43:59 am
Some questions:
How do I talk to sentient indigenous species?
How do I check my crew without going to a space station?
For security, I got a few guards, when I buy ( crappy ) weapons, do they automatically head to the grunts?
Please give me any other advice, for a newb in this awesome pseudo-Star Trek simulator.
Post by: Tarran on October 04, 2011, 02:57:11 am
How do I talk to sentient indigenous species?Can't remember the exact key, but I think it's c and then the direction of the creature. Check the keybindings (hit the ? key and then k) to be sure.
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How do I check my crew without going to a space station?A and @ (shift+2).
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For security, I got a few guards, when I buy ( crappy ) weapons, do they automatically head to the grunts?No, I believe the weapons are assigned from the strongest up top to the weakest on the bottom of the A screen. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Post by: klingon13524 on October 04, 2011, 03:51:29 am
Post by: Neonivek on October 04, 2011, 06:00:28 am
I need to stop taking so many risks, I always end up killing my crew trying to map out a planet covered in acid. As the Nethackians would say, YASD.
Acid Planets are often such whirlpools of despair that I just skip them even much later down the road.
Post by: NRDL on October 04, 2011, 06:04:07 am
Post by: Neonivek on October 04, 2011, 06:06:14 am
My crew just got annihilated by a robot :( followed by >:( followed by :'(
Yeah... don't even deal with robots. Just run!
Post by: NRDL on October 04, 2011, 06:07:47 am
So...any more tips to surviving all these crazy stuff, and on how to best make a profit? I don't even know how to gather bio data.
Post by: Neonivek on October 04, 2011, 06:18:23 am
I, at first, had no idea it was a robot, I thought I could fight back, my guns weren't enough.
So...any more tips to surviving all these crazy stuff, and on how to best make a profit? I don't even know how to gather bio data.
"I" is to gather biodata.
There are weak and strong robots but they both share the exact same symbol/tile.
Also I don't want to spoil the challenge for you, so I won't give "Neonivek's Patented Early Game Survival Guide". What you REALLY want is a stations occasional special bonuses (for biodata, for comming back to them after a while, for amount of space looked at, planets fully explored).
Also to avoid paying salary make sure you don't dock at the ordinary stations but at those smaller stations. Also NEVER go to a spacestation when you are ill... They just kick you out and make you, essentially, pay salary twice.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 04, 2011, 03:33:34 pm
Does anybody know how to become a pirate? I've shot down some alien merchants alright, but how do I reposses their cargo?
Post by: Orb on October 04, 2011, 04:57:07 pm
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if pirating was fleshed out a bit. But eh, its not the main game mode anyway.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 04, 2011, 05:25:07 pm
to take cargo, you need to kill someone carrying cargoyou mean in personal combat? Can I board a ship or anything?
Post by: enigma74 on October 04, 2011, 06:47:32 pm
to take cargo, you need to kill someone carrying cargoyou mean in personal combat? Can I board a ship or anything?
In space, he meant. Pirating is like dwarf fortress's adventure mode - incomplete.
Post by: Aqizzar on October 04, 2011, 06:56:53 pm
Post by: Tarran on October 04, 2011, 09:18:45 pm
Post by: NRDL on October 05, 2011, 01:29:52 am
Post by: Flare on October 05, 2011, 04:56:07 am
Post by: Tarran on October 05, 2011, 05:05:16 am
Post by: Geneoce on October 05, 2011, 05:16:30 am
A crude work-around is to dismiss EVERYONE when you loose one of the named crew and rehire everyone.
...
Crude and annoying lol
Post by: Gamerlord on October 05, 2011, 05:17:04 am
Post by: NRDL on October 05, 2011, 05:22:16 am
Any advice for a guy who keeps getting killed by robots and crystal aliens?
Do what I would do, run screaming like a little girl, or die valiantly, but vainly.
Post by: kcwong on October 05, 2011, 05:22:46 am
Any advice for a guy who keeps getting killed by robots and crystal aliens?
Run.
Post by: Tarran on October 05, 2011, 06:02:23 am
And learn which types of special planets contain said killing creatures and avoid them.Any advice for a guy who keeps getting killed by robots and crystal aliens?
Run.
Post by: NRDL on October 05, 2011, 06:04:26 am
Post by: Tarran on October 05, 2011, 06:14:49 am
The best find-able weapon is the almighty
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Post by: NRDL on October 05, 2011, 06:22:45 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 05, 2011, 07:46:36 am
Apparently hallucinations can occur in my crew when I land on a wild planet...I just ignored it, I managed to survive. Are there any effects that I should worry about? That save game's already gone, but in the future, I wouldn't want to control a team full of raving lunatics.Currently there's a bug that can break your game - hallucinating party members are sometimes sent off to the ship's infirmary. Should it happen to your captain, he'll get permanently kicked out from awayteam since you can't change his allocation status. Either savescumm or avoid those planets is my advice.
Post by: Geneoce on October 05, 2011, 11:49:02 am
Apparently hallucinations can occur in my crew when I land on a wild planet...I just ignored it, I managed to survive. Are there any effects that I should worry about? That save game's already gone, but in the future, I wouldn't want to control a team full of raving lunatics.Currently there's a bug that can break your game - hallucinating party members are sometimes sent off to the ship's infirmary. Should it happen to your captain, he'll get permanently kicked out from awayteam since you can't change his allocation status. Either savescumm or avoid those planets is my advice.
Doesnt break game per-se it just means your not captain badass anymore. your captain sit-in-the-ship-and-give-orders. After some implants and a handy superior spoilerweapon my gunner kinda became my new captain badass
Post by: Hanzoku on October 05, 2011, 04:55:13 pm
Post by: Gamerlord on October 05, 2011, 05:03:59 pm
Post by: Geen on October 05, 2011, 06:01:46 pm
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Post by: Flare on October 05, 2011, 07:54:08 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 05, 2011, 08:12:42 pm
You're going to need a huge party with augmented soldiers. Try to see if the robot are spawning from something. Touch everything.
You shoot ALL the computers.
Shoot all factories.
Post by: enigma74 on October 05, 2011, 08:58:59 pm
Damn, would anyone happen to have any strategies for taking out theon theSpoiler (click to show/hide)planet?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
There are 4 ways of doing this, arranged from difficult to easy:
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Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 05, 2011, 09:12:44 pm
Post by: Gamerlord on October 05, 2011, 09:16:04 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 05, 2011, 09:23:56 pm
Also: Can I fly an alien ship I found floating in space? I keep getting killed by crystal aliens/etc whenever I find one, but I just found another so I'm going to go off and get some epic gear first. But anyway: Can I use the ship?You can, or you can just strip the useful parts and leave the rest. Kill everything aboard then you can choose to abandon yours and take over that one at the bridge.
Post by: Gamerlord on October 05, 2011, 09:26:20 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 05, 2011, 09:27:44 pm
Sweet. And will it come up as 'Scout' or 'Battleship' or something?While it's drifting it should tell you the name of the class, yes. I think it tells you when you interact with the bridge as well.
Post by: Gamerlord on October 05, 2011, 09:31:56 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 05, 2011, 09:33:55 pm
I think theres some miscommunication. I don't mean drifting ships in general, I mean these green ships I sometimes find floating. They always say its an unidentified alien vessel or something like that and I usually never survive past the second room.Oh, I've never seen one of those before. It's probably one of those
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Post by: Hanzoku on October 06, 2011, 01:14:43 am
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Post by: Il Palazzo on October 06, 2011, 09:40:40 am
Post by: NRDL on October 06, 2011, 09:51:14 am
land on a planet, apollo kills all of my crew except for the captain
What is up with all these Olympian gods?
Post by: Robsoie on October 06, 2011, 10:24:57 am
Post by: Necro910 on October 06, 2011, 10:27:58 am
Zeus: YOU DARE FORGET US?vengeful bastards. that's what.land on a planet, apollo kills all of my crew except for the captain
What is up with all these Olympian gods?
Captain: Excuse me, who are you again?
Zeus: *facethunder* *zap*
Captain: Oh god! Oh, it missed. HAH! YOU HAVE SHITTY AIM AND-
Zeus: I didn't miss.
Captain: What are you talking about and- *turns around* FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Post by: Tarran on October 06, 2011, 12:21:13 pm
In addition to Apollo, there's also Eris in the randomly generated temple, who you can release.land on a planet, apollo kills all of my crew except for the captain
What is up with all these Olympian gods?
Do you guys have any idea about what she does besides randomly teleport you around the sector? When I released her, all she did was teleport me whenever I got near, then I eventually never saw her again.
Post by: Neonivek on October 09, 2011, 11:22:00 am
As well as possibly the inclusion of other pantheons.
Post by: magellan on October 10, 2011, 10:25:06 am
Post by: Dr. Johbson on October 10, 2011, 10:51:09 am
Post by: magellan on October 10, 2011, 11:53:58 am
Awesome, thanks very much. That cave bug was really depressing.
I hope I fixed that one too, but only intense testing will tell for certain...
Post by: Tarran on October 10, 2011, 03:20:20 pm
Awesome, thanks very much. That cave bug was really depressing.Agreed. The cave bug basically turned caves into suicide booths.
Post by: Tarran on October 10, 2011, 04:02:26 pm
Post by: Geneoce on October 11, 2011, 08:13:52 am
Going to try make a battleship that wont be defeated by a humble CTD lol
Post by: Tilla on October 12, 2011, 01:28:56 am
Post by: A Spoony Bard on October 15, 2011, 10:51:19 am
So now I am stuck in a tunnel with 68 oxygen left and no idea how to get out.
I also don't know how to contact my ship to land, fire at things, etc. while I am exploring a planet.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on October 15, 2011, 11:01:22 am
I also don't know how to contact my ship to land, fire at things, etc. while I am exploring a planet.
R for radio, and then either
Land to land at some tile, or
Fire to fire your ship weapons.
I don't think there are more commands but I could be wrong. I learnt 70% of this game from watching letsplays.
Post by: klingon13524 on October 15, 2011, 11:14:24 am
If the exit is simply not where you came in, that would be the cavebug I mentioned, and I recommend you upload the save while you still have it, to the bug sections in their forum, which you should do as well Tilla if you are still alive as well.Read the easy to understand manual that comes with the game, there's 10 in total. All I know is Hello, Land, and Fire.I also don't know how to contact my ship to land, fire at things, etc. while I am exploring a planet.
R for radio, and then either
Land to land at some tile, or
Fire to fire your ship weapons.
I don't think there are more commands but I could be wrong. I learnt 70% of this game from watching letsplays.
Post by: Orb on October 15, 2011, 12:36:53 pm
Also, a few radio commands I know:
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Post by: Vherid on October 15, 2011, 12:46:36 pm
Extremely minor bug, but on some planets the temperature is -300 degrees C, which is below absolute zero.
Science could be wrong and those temperatures could be possible. We just proved that movement beyond the speed of light is indeed possible.
Post by: Neonivek on October 15, 2011, 12:53:12 pm
Extremely minor bug, but on some planets the temperature is -300 degrees C, which is below absolute zero.
Science could be wrong and those temperatures could be possible. We just proved that movement beyond the speed of light is indeed possible.
Another reason it is -300 degrees C is that they created a temperature range based upon how close to absolute zero the temperature is. So if absolute zero was 257, then 257 would be 256.1 or something like that.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 15, 2011, 02:47:24 pm
No it couldn't. The absolute zero is not something than can be proven wrong. To say otherwise is like saying that "you can move slower than when not moving" or "it can be more silent than complete lack of sound".Extremely minor bug, but on some planets the temperature is -300 degrees C, which is below absolute zero.
Science could be wrong and those temperatures could be possible. We just proved that movement beyond the speed of light is indeed possible.
As for the second part of your statement, let's not jump to conclusions.
Post by: Vherid on October 15, 2011, 05:26:58 pm
No it couldn't. The absolute zero is not something than can be proven wrong. To say otherwise is like saying that "you can move slower than when not moving" or "it can be more silent than complete lack of sound".Extremely minor bug, but on some planets the temperature is -300 degrees C, which is below absolute zero.
Science could be wrong and those temperatures could be possible. We just proved that movement beyond the speed of light is indeed possible.
As for the second part of your statement, let's not jump to conclusions.
But this is within your and the human race's understanding, which is a pretty sketchy thing to believe in. Especially considering everything we used to believe in, and how little we really know. I believe it is absolutely insane for any person on this planet to even think they have a clue of what is going on in the universe.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 15, 2011, 05:39:51 pm
Suffice to say that I don't agree, but will not keep derailing this thread.
Post by: Neonivek on October 15, 2011, 05:40:57 pm
It had to do with entropy or something.
Or maybe it was that there are 50 combinations of absolute zero... I don't know something
Though a Planet certainly is not even going to reach anywhere close to absolute zero anyhow.
Post by: Orb on October 15, 2011, 05:58:07 pm
And a two bugs.
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Post by: Il Palazzo on October 15, 2011, 06:04:09 pm
What are alien holokeycards used for? I could never figure it out.It's supposed to be a lvl3 lockpick.
Post by: Orb on October 15, 2011, 06:17:43 pm
What are alien holokeycards used for? I could never figure it out.It's supposed to be a lvl3 lockpick.
Oh. I guess that makes sense. Not the most useful thing in the world, considering by the time you get one you can simply blow the door to smitherines.
Post by: Orb on October 15, 2011, 08:08:00 pm
It didn't end well.
Game developers aren't supposed to punish you for stupid curiosity! Its villainous!
Post by: BigD145 on October 15, 2011, 08:14:27 pm
Meh. Had 400k saved up in the bank, just going around and clearing out special planets, and I decide to see what happens when I step off the refueling platform on a gas giant.
It didn't end well.
Game developers aren't supposed to punish you for stupid curiosity! Its villainous!
Prospector, a roguelike
Post by: Orb on October 15, 2011, 08:31:13 pm
Meh. Had 400k saved up in the bank, just going around and clearing out special planets, and I decide to see what happens when I step off the refueling platform on a gas giant.
It didn't end well.
Game developers aren't supposed to punish you for stupid curiosity! Its villainous!
Prospector, a roguelike
I was joking. I heartily approve punishing people for stupidity in games.
Post by: Neonivek on October 15, 2011, 08:51:48 pm
It sort of kills you in two ways
1) Red Herring
and
2) Ignoring every device and tool you may have had at that point.
Post by: BigD145 on October 16, 2011, 03:45:01 pm
71021 points
That doesn't seem too bad considering how many "interesting" planets I avoided for 2300 turns.
Post by: Neonivek on October 16, 2011, 08:03:42 pm
Post by: Orb on October 16, 2011, 08:13:39 pm
Hey guys are investments still broken? In that are they still worth less then keeping your money?
Investment in what? I've never used the feature, if anything.
Unless you're talking about stocks. Then yes, they are worth it very much indeed.
Post by: Raz on October 16, 2011, 08:52:44 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 16, 2011, 08:57:59 pm
Hey guys are investments still broken? In that are they still worth less then keeping your money?
Investment in what? I've never used the feature, if anything.
Unless you're talking about stocks. Then yes, they are worth it very much indeed.
No I mean like Asteroids, shop chains, and your own home planet.
Post by: Orb on October 16, 2011, 09:22:04 pm
You can always still load the game. It keeps the save from the last time you entered a space station.
Unless you turn off savescumming. :-\
Hey guys are investments still broken? In that are they still worth less then keeping your money?
Investment in what? I've never used the feature, if anything.
Unless you're talking about stocks. Then yes, they are worth it very much indeed.
No I mean like Asteroids, shop chains, and your own home planet.
I'm pretty sure that's for retirement. Bonus points when you retire and such. Though I've never retired myself, too greedy to do so....
Post by: Tarran on October 16, 2011, 09:23:30 pm
No I mean like Asteroids, shop chains, and your own home planet....I have never heard of investing in those things. Ever.
And I don't believe you have any home planet.
Unless you're talking about retirement assets and not 'investments'.
Post by: Neonivek on October 16, 2011, 09:41:20 pm
No I mean like Asteroids, shop chains, and your own home planet....I have never heard of investing in those things. Ever.
And I don't believe you have any home planet.
Unless you're talking about retirement assets and not 'investments'.
Fine then yes... Assets
Don't buy them. Unless they multiply the value of your cash (which would explain a lot) my experience with them is that it is worth more just to hold onto the cash it would cost to buy them.
Sorry for the confusion. Though a lot of those assets are investments that just don't pay off for some reason.
Post by: AnalysisFailed on October 17, 2011, 12:08:53 am
Post by: Deon on October 17, 2011, 03:06:20 am
Post by: klingon13524 on October 17, 2011, 06:58:25 am
Post by: Neonivek on October 17, 2011, 08:27:40 am
They're for when/if you retire your captain. He retires onto that mansion he bought back in his adventuring days, they don't have an effect on gameplay.
I am aware that is what they are for. They are worth less, in terms of points, then just retiring with the cash, instead of buying them, would be.
At least in my experience.
Though the endings of Prospector have always been... very sad. (as in depressing)
Post by: BigD145 on October 17, 2011, 10:14:05 am
You can always still load the game. It keeps the save from the last time you entered a space station.
I'm fine with the loss. Giant hungry space monster is legit.
Post by: Wirevix on October 26, 2011, 01:47:38 am
I had an idea. What if when you visited a station or colony, every one of your crew members (and maybe you) had a very small chance to fall in love with a local (opposite sex) ...
I don't think a game as non-mainstream as this has to worry about taking flack for having non-heteronormative relationships, if anything like that was added. Besides, what if one of your crewmembers is a hermaphroditic plant-person or something?
Post by: BigD145 on October 26, 2011, 02:05:33 am
I had an idea. What if when you visited a station or colony, every one of your crew members (and maybe you) had a very small chance to fall in love with a local (opposite sex) ...
I don't think a game as non-mainstream as this has to worry about taking flack for having non-heteronormative relationships, if anything like that was added. Besides, what if one of your crewmembers is a hermaphroditic plant-person or something?
Some bit is opposite some other bit. No problems here
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Post by: Danaru on October 27, 2011, 12:07:35 am
I surrounded myself with a cloud of red shirts and blasted apart the mushrooms one room at a time (if you leave doors open, they reproduce and refill the rooms you already cleared :(). At one point I got a bonus for bringing 101 bioscans at once just from the mushroom corpses on one of my red-shirt reload trips.
So I cleared out every room, and rechecked every room a dozen times, but when I try to take control of the ship, it keeps telling me I better make sure the ship is really abandonned before taking it.
There's nothing in this ship apart from my crew that ISN'T plastered all over the wall. I recleared the ship so many times I can navigate it with my eyes closed, any ideas on why I can't take it?
EDIT: SOMEHOW something must have been constantly avoiding me, because I opened every door and blew a hole in the hull using a mining drill, and I was suddenly able to take over the ship.
Post by: kcwong on October 27, 2011, 02:41:30 am
Just started a new game, and almost immediately found an abandoned 4th tier heavy explorer drifting around, full of angry living mushrooms.
I surrounded myself with a cloud of red shirts and blasted apart the mushrooms one room at a time (if you leave doors open, they reproduce and refill the rooms you already cleared :(). At one point I got a bonus for bringing 101 bioscans at once just from the mushroom corpses on one of my red-shirt reload trips.
So I cleared out every room, and rechecked every room a dozen times, but when I try to take control of the ship, it keeps telling me I better make sure the ship is really abandonned before taking it.
There's nothing in this ship apart from my crew that ISN'T plastered all over the wall. I recleared the ship so many times I can navigate it with my eyes closed, any ideas on why I can't take it?
EDIT: SOMEHOW something must have been constantly avoiding me, because I opened every door and blew a hole in the hull using a mining drill, and I was suddenly able to take over the ship.
Ouch. You should've drilled through the hull in the first place... no need to fight them with waves of red shirts. Those poor red shirts.
Post by: Xeron on November 01, 2011, 11:49:10 am
Post by: Necro910 on November 01, 2011, 11:52:11 am
Just started a new game, and almost immediately found an abandoned 4th tier heavy explorer drifting around, full of angry living mushrooms.You splattered fungus all over the walls. Wouldn't that technically make more of them?
I surrounded myself with a cloud of red shirts and blasted apart the mushrooms one room at a time (if you leave doors open, they reproduce and refill the rooms you already cleared :(). At one point I got a bonus for bringing 101 bioscans at once just from the mushroom corpses on one of my red-shirt reload trips.
So I cleared out every room, and rechecked every room a dozen times, but when I try to take control of the ship, it keeps telling me I better make sure the ship is really abandonned before taking it.
There's nothing in this ship apart from my crew that ISN'T plastered all over the wall. I recleared the ship so many times I can navigate it with my eyes closed, any ideas on why I can't take it?
EDIT: SOMEHOW something must have been constantly avoiding me, because I opened every door and blew a hole in the hull using a mining drill, and I was suddenly able to take over the ship.
Post by: BigD145 on November 01, 2011, 12:04:33 pm
Any cheats for the game ?Or any way to edit the savegames ?I would love to dick around with some thingies
You can cheat money with cheatengine or artmoney.
Post by: Xeron on November 01, 2011, 12:15:10 pm
Can you please explain how to ?Any cheats for the game ?Or any way to edit the savegames ?I would love to dick around with some thingies
You can cheat money with cheatengine or artmoney.
I do use cheat engine quite alot so i could guess i just descrease it and find the address ?
Post by: BigD145 on November 01, 2011, 12:35:59 pm
Can you please explain how to ?Any cheats for the game ?Or any way to edit the savegames ?I would love to dick around with some thingies
You can cheat money with cheatengine or artmoney.
I do use cheat engine quite alot so i could guess i just descrease it and find the address ?
Find, decrease or increase, then filter. It's pretty basic usage of the software. I don't remember if it's a float or integer as I haven't used it in awhile.
Post by: Xeron on November 01, 2011, 12:52:50 pm
Cheers mate i cheated my way :DCan you please explain how to ?Any cheats for the game ?Or any way to edit the savegames ?I would love to dick around with some thingies
You can cheat money with cheatengine or artmoney.
I do use cheat engine quite alot so i could guess i just descrease it and find the address ?
Find, decrease or increase, then filter. It's pretty basic usage of the software. I don't remember if it's a float or integer as I haven't used it in awhile.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on November 29, 2011, 10:28:38 pm
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Luckily, it's dark, so they need to get to almost point-blank to fight, then a single round of gunfire from my crew will kill them. Also,
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Post by: Jacob/Lee on November 29, 2011, 11:33:45 pm
Post by: unknown on December 26, 2011, 02:47:09 pm
I have the most recent (as of today) svn version.
The following includes were missing in prospector.bas:
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#include once "fbgfx.bi"
#include once "fmod.bi"
#include once "file.bi"
This only left one compile error:
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prospector.bas(132) error 41: Variable not declared, gfx in 'gfx.font.loadttf("graphics/plasma01.ttf", TITLEFONT, 32, 128, _screeny/5)'
Is this an error in the code, or some other missing include?
Also, where can I find the resource files?
Thanks!
Post by: sambojin on December 26, 2011, 06:58:09 pm
And is there much point of red shirts over a combination of squad leaders and snipers? Most of my combat has been at range anyway, so the plusses to-hit seem pretty valuable, especially in early-game while I'm levelling.
It also seems that my crew can be far larger than my ship should be able to hold. It may have been from a version or two ago, but I can hire as many officers as I want, above and beyond crew limits. A level 1 pilot still holds a plasma rifle quite well, and isn't exactly expensive to pay for. Especially when you've got a few level 5/6 pilots on the roster doing the actual flying.
Post by: Neonivek on December 26, 2011, 07:03:10 pm
Maglad
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Post by: magellan on December 27, 2011, 04:27:32 am
Step by step instructions on how to compile are here
http://prospector.freeforums.org/compile-prospector-in-linux-t265.html
It is though entirely possible that the current uploaded code has bugs/debugging flags on
@sambojin
Medic still equals half a level of doctor.
The hiring more people than there are bunks thing is a bug. Will be fixed in the next version.
@neonivek
Done
I am hoping to have a release before the year ends.
Post by: unknown on December 29, 2011, 01:46:29 pm
@unknown
Step by step instructions on how to compile are here
http://prospector.freeforums.org/compile-prospector-in-linux-t265.html
It is though entirely possible that the current uploaded code has bugs/debugging flags on
Thanks.
It seems that the current code has some bugs preventing it to compile for me.
I made a package for Archlinux from the prebuilt linux version. Its available in the AUR, in case someone is interested.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on January 07, 2012, 02:36:19 am
Also I may be doing a video lets play of Prospector soon if I manage to fit into my tight schedule of faffing about and procrastinating. I probably would have started recording tonight but sadly I have to get up in like 2 and a half hours so yeah. If anyone wants me to try something specific I would be willing to work it in after my inevitable death with a fairly vanilla start.
Post by: Robsoie on January 07, 2012, 03:30:02 am
Congratulations, as it totally deserved the recognition.
Post by: Deon on January 07, 2012, 04:51:24 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on January 09, 2012, 03:41:58 am
The video is here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6y_itiANAY&feature=colike)
Edit: the second video is up here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECLSZdMwgqA&feature=colike)
Edit: and the third is up here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSJsNZMEoZA&feature=colike)
Post by: magellan on January 11, 2012, 05:19:46 pm
I am fairly certain I will be able to release a new and improved version this weekend.
The main improvement will be that you will be able to join space battles NPCs are fighting (As in ancient alien ship vs space station)
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on January 11, 2012, 10:56:09 pm
Anyway Forth video is up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqMHAzlQS68&feature=colike) in which I increase quality so you may watch me forget what I am doing and stammer around till I die in full HD
Edit: Fifth is up in which I ask the viewers what I should do. If you want to have me try to do something just comment on the video what. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxSQvWlRC4&feature=colike)
Post by: BigD145 on January 13, 2012, 07:33:48 pm
I'm curious (and too tired to be bothered to look) is there a mac version?
or is it platform independent?
https://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/downloads/list
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on January 13, 2012, 10:11:50 pm
Edit: Seventh video: warning major facepalm contained within (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWBurAONaJY&feature=colike)
Post by: ductape on January 16, 2012, 12:21:22 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on January 16, 2012, 12:57:55 am
oh and video eight is up. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CESQMXjGSkU&feature=colike)
Edit: Number nine is up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKCKmnLITy8&feature=colike)
Post by: Deon on January 17, 2012, 04:42:23 am
Magellan, if you need more tiles for the new version, contact me any time. I felt that I could rework my old tiles as well because I am not happy with some of them.
Post by: magellan on January 17, 2012, 11:12:37 am
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/downloads/list
These are the main things that happened:
17. Jan 2012 - New version 0.2.4 released
You can now join in NPCs space battles
It's harder to make other ships follow you in spacebattles
New System type: Rogue gas giant
New Item: Hydrogen scoop (Improves gas giant scooping and collects fuel when in gas clouds)
Further stacking the deck: very dangerous planets are now always in gasclouds
Spaceships now have speed differences
Tiles out of sight are now darkend
Savegames and Highscore entries now have dates
New command \Cs shows the current standing with the factions
You can change the spacemap size in config
Fixed a bug that overwrote current science officer with Tree
Fixed a bug that allowed you to recruit more than your ship could carry
Autoexplore now can go around planets
Deon: If you want to rework the tiles, sure, go ahead. You might want to know that you now can use true colors. (Don't hit me!)
Post by: Deon on January 17, 2012, 12:04:30 pm
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Further stacking the deck: very dangerous planets are now always in gascloudsAww, so much for random dieing :(.
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Tiles out of sight are now darkendAwesome! Randomly appearing enemies were really a weird vision. Now we can understand what we can see!
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You can change the spacemap size in configWoot! Go go go large space!
Anyway, thank you very much for the new version! Do you plan to add new alien types or special creatures?
Post by: magellan on January 17, 2012, 12:31:03 pm
Like
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Lot's of ways to randomly die left, even 2 new ones!
I drew all the new tiles myself. If you look at the graphics folder I am sure you will be able to find out which ones they are ;)
Post by: Deon on January 17, 2012, 01:04:46 pm
Do you want me to make a style for your .pdf manual?
I have some drafts.
(http://tnypic.net/2a737.png)
Post by: BigD145 on January 17, 2012, 01:15:50 pm
Can you PM me the list of the new tiles with their meanings? It would make my work much easier.
Do you want me to make a style for your .pdf manual?
I have some drafts.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Nice, but very clean. I'm not getting a "I just dragged a red shirt onto the ship in order to cannibalize his spacesuit. I'm sure the bits will clean out."
Post by: Deon on January 17, 2012, 01:18:02 pm
Post by: Deon on January 17, 2012, 02:36:09 pm
http://www.mediafire.com/?u6kwu701tn4xz2n
Magellan?
Post by: magellan on January 17, 2012, 02:57:58 pm
BigD145 has a point though:
A bit of a "well read copy, coming with your ship, after 86 previous owners" with oil (& blood?) stains, yellowed pages, burned eges might convey the feeling of the game better.
Also I forgot 2 things in the changelog:
* All away team members now need armor to be on a hostile-environment planet without being damaged.
* New item: spacesuit (counts as armor and is dirt cheap (see above))
Post by: Deon on January 17, 2012, 03:19:40 pm
Cracked screen effect and dust may add to the immersion, I will think about that :).
Post by: Deon on January 17, 2012, 03:39:59 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on January 17, 2012, 04:35:46 pm
Anyway 10 is here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1GqmbMhzqs&feature=colike)
Post by: BigD145 on January 17, 2012, 05:25:11 pm
Blood stains on an electronic copy? Because books of that ages are all... electronic.
Cracked screen effect and dust may add to the immersion, I will think about that :).
I doubt they would be electronic. When you lose power to the ship do you really want to lose the ability to restore power?
Post by: Deon on January 17, 2012, 06:22:51 pm
Post by: BigD145 on January 17, 2012, 08:10:09 pm
The Ebooks have their own power cores!
Energy sucking space aliens love power cores of all sorts.
Post by: Deon on January 18, 2012, 02:10:59 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on January 19, 2012, 06:18:07 pm
Post by: Geneoce on January 20, 2012, 01:04:54 am
Maybe bump back the disintergrator/adaptive armor drops to a later turn amount? Currently it gets a bit trivial to do some of the more hazardous stuff when over the course of natural play you come across 10 of each before your second/third artifact :)
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on January 20, 2012, 08:03:04 pm
0.2.4 Error #6 in 526:SHOW_STARS ProsIO.bas
Also I have the save file from before the crash if it matters though it did not crash right after a save so it has a bit of playtime between the save and the crash.
Post by: Orb on January 20, 2012, 11:20:36 pm
"Making Fleet Called"
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on January 21, 2012, 12:49:53 am
Edit: video 13 will not be going up no nor any time in the future. It has disapeered from my computer. I went to upload it and it was gone and I can't find it. As 13 is unlucky or something the next video will be labeled number 14 because
Post by: Orb on January 21, 2012, 09:03:53 pm
I join on the station's side, logically. I enter space combat with "Space Station Fires X weapons! Something else fires Y Weapons!" Stations I assume gets blown up.
...then gameover.
Now, I know I didn't get blown up, so I assume this is a glitch.
There was a name, like Aggenoman, or something. I didn't really pay attention to it at the time. I assumed it was the Space Station's name. But...Space Stations are named 1-3. So, hm. Oh, and my death message said I died trying to be a pirate. =/
Post by: Hanzoku on January 31, 2012, 01:35:25 pm
Post by: LordSlowpoke on January 31, 2012, 01:45:36 pm
Still, I got a question that the forums and readme didn't really answer - is there a way to use ground penetrating radars? I've made sure it's in the equipment menu when I landed on a planet, but it didn't really give me any of the effects I expected (being able to see through mountains or walls) Perhaps you need to activate it - if yes, then how? Thanks in advance.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on January 31, 2012, 02:28:53 pm
Still, I got a question that the forums and readme didn't really answer - is there a way to use ground penetrating radars? I've made sure it's in the equipment menu when I landed on a planet, but it didn't really give me any of the effects I expected (being able to see through mountains or walls) Perhaps you need to activate it - if yes, then how? Thanks in advance.
I'm pretty sure the GPR is used to detect units, not to 'see.' Atleast that's what it's always done for me, it's pretty handy in cramped places when you don't know which corridor a
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I remember Apollo.. I landed in my Heavy Explorer rammed full of redshirts/disintegrators and he promptly told me that I should be worshipping him. I told him to bugger off, blasted the hell out of his copies ('f' '0' is your friend with lots of enemies around, but don't split your fire if you don't have enough firepower to make it worthwhile) and found his temple, melted his face in 4 rounds, and obliterated his temple.
Then about 4 hours later I found
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Post by: GrayFox on March 23, 2012, 03:14:36 am
I'm dying a lot against alien creatures too. I've only found a few I was able to defeat. Everything else kills me. I guess I need more crew with more weapons.
Post by: ollobrains on May 09, 2012, 05:36:00 am
Post by: Deon on May 09, 2012, 06:10:50 am
I am enjoying this game, but I don't understand space battles. I press "f" to fire my weapons, but it just usually doesn't work. My weapons don't fire, I don't get any message as to why, the enemy attacks me, and I die. :( I've only been able to actually attack enemy ships a few times. I only destroyed one because it came too close... hitting a plasma stream behind my ship.I've never fought space battles myself, but aliens are easy. You don't need MORE people, you need BETTER people. You want people with good perks and amount of HP, and also you need best armor you can find and good weapons. Also don't forget to use grenades and rocket weapons, they make surface fight much easier. Still, to fight robots you need a 15-men team with personal forcefields and grenades.
I'm dying a lot against alien creatures too. I've only found a few I was able to defeat. Everything else kills me. I guess I need more crew with more weapons.
Post by: Robsoie on May 09, 2012, 07:22:54 am
its a good game but they wont open source it and its still fairly narrow as far as not being a sandboxYou're probably posting in the wrong thread, because Prospector source is actually available :
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/source/checkout
Post by: pilgrimboy on May 09, 2012, 10:57:21 am
I am enjoying this game, but I don't understand space battles. I press "f" to fire my weapons, but it just usually doesn't work. My weapons don't fire, I don't get any message as to why, the enemy attacks me, and I die. :( I've only been able to actually attack enemy ships a few times. I only destroyed one because it came too close... hitting a plasma stream behind my ship.
I'm dying a lot against alien creatures too. I've only found a few I was able to defeat. Everything else kills me. I guess I need more crew with more weapons.
I am also having the same problem in the last time I played around a month ago. I lost every space battle. Game over many times.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on May 09, 2012, 05:30:46 pm
I am enjoying this game, but I don't understand space battles. I press "f" to fire my weapons, but it just usually doesn't work. My weapons don't fire, I don't get any message as to why, the enemy attacks me, and I die. :( I've only been able to actually attack enemy ships a few times. I only destroyed one because it came too close... hitting a plasma stream behind my ship.I've never fought space battles myself, but aliens are easy. You don't need MORE people, you need BETTER people. You want people with good perks and amount of HP, and also you need best armor you can find and good weapons. Also don't forget to use grenades and rocket weapons, they make surface fight much easier. Still, to fight robots you need a 15-men team with personal forcefields and grenades.
I'm dying a lot against alien creatures too. I've only found a few I was able to defeat. Everything else kills me. I guess I need more crew with more weapons.
Well, as far as this game goes, the more redshirts, the better. If you can embark with a group of 15 'elites' you can easily embark with a 30+ group of soldiers, fully equipped. You don't even need personal forcefields for most of the meatshields, heavy armor will do since they're going to get ripped to shreds anyway. I never went onto planets without my entire away crew, which amounted to 30 soldiers, give or take. The numbers are to keep you best troops from getting unlucky and getting annihilated while exploring.
Post by: Asra on May 28, 2012, 02:57:19 am
Post by: sambojin on May 28, 2012, 08:42:36 am
Find lifeless planets, explore and grab minerals, repeat. Once you start trading those resources and mapping data you can start to get some decent weapons and armour for your troops. The cash bonuses get pretty massive later on in the game, more than the minerals you're trading. Smith Heavy Industries is my favourite station type, just because you get a bit of extra cash early on and friggen huge bonuses later, for doing what you'd be doing anyway.
The easiest start that I've found is the Troop Transport with 2 medics, 3 squad leaders, the rest as snipers. Upgrade all your officers, with a priority on doctors, then gunners, then science officers (but hire any officer that's higher in level than your current one, keep the next highest one, fire the rest). Special troop types are awesome, as are multiples of officers. Red-shirts might get an extra HP pip at high levels, but squad leaders, medics and snipers ensure you never need it. Early-on your specialists are far better. Ships doctors are very important, and medics stack with them (an extra level worth for every two medics, so bring lots of medics), so it's pretty easy to have almost instant regeneration after your upgrade your ship a couple of times for away team capacity. Squad leaders leading four snipers are great for the massive to-hit bonus early on as well. Get (and level) red-shirts after you've got an elite team going and heaps of excess cash. With the high cost of decent weapons, armour, equipment and ships (for bigger crews) early-on, crew cost isn't a huge concern, quality of the troops using those weapons is. Dead stuff never saps your HP, medics remove the consequence of environmental hazards, plus you'll be punching above your weight at the beginning which cheapens your equipment costs/needs. Which is your main early constraint in Prospector. Simply buying enough plasma rifles, armour, jetpacks and stuff is really damn pricey. Once you have enough, most planets are a walkover and you can level new crew members, buy stuff and get biodata/minerals as and when you want (by wiping out anything on the planet with f 0, or aimed attacks).
Basically there's four phases in Prospector. Beginning, when you've got almost nothing. Early, when you've got a bit and most planets are do-able but challenging. Late, where most planets are walkovers. End-game, where you're on a robot and crystal killing spree in your disruptor laden alien ship, just rounding out your stuff for the final battles.
Get past the beginning phase and the rest just follows on naturally. Unless you're really not paying attention, have a meteor-moment, a brain-fart or a game crash.
Post by: Lexx on May 29, 2012, 05:37:17 am
Post by: sambojin on May 29, 2012, 05:50:32 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Free money for those final few items you want in case you haven't gotten the best of everything plus artifacts yet. Nice to do those implant mods on crew members or if you've cleared all resources off all the planets that are closer than that.
Post by: ConscriptFive on May 29, 2012, 08:34:07 am
If you're in deep trouble on a planet, or in genocidal mood, you can also use your ship as an artillery piece. As long as you keep your standoff range and know the damage splash for your ship's gun, radio is a lifesaver. I pretty much never use my away party weapons on a planet surface.
Post by: sambojin on May 29, 2012, 08:46:01 am
But, to tell you the truth, I ALWAYS use my away team's weapons. Partly because I'm lazy, partly because they work underground, partly because they're very powerful, but mainly because it's cool to press "f" then "0" and watch everything around you die. Oh, and you get xp on away-team kills, I think only the gunner gets xp on ship->ground kills.
It might be handy for early on when you don't actually have any decent weapons though.
Post by: puke on May 29, 2012, 05:32:00 pm
I once had an amazing running battle with a gang of very hard to kill robots. I was down to just my captain, and he was injured. The robots were very close and persuing me, but I was able to continuously call fire on my own position and then run away -- as the robots followed they would be hit but I would be out of the way. It took a good long time, but I evenually killed them, got whatever loot I was after, and escaped the planet.
Ship-to-ground fire became my best friend after that.
Post by: sambojin on May 29, 2012, 07:59:30 pm
When you say structures, do you mean a few certain mission structures, or just blowing away buildings and mountains and that? Regular away team weapons do the second one just fine (although not with just your captain being alive, even with the best weapon).
Still, I never thought of using a sort of rolling barrage when I'm in a heap of danger. You learn something new every day :)
Post by: sambojin on May 29, 2012, 08:28:13 pm
1: f, directional key. This gets your entire away team to fire in a certain direction. You can only pick N/S/E/W and the diagonals, but all your firepower travels along this path. Anything in the way gets hit with the max firepower, even if something was in the way first (unless the shot was blocked by an monster/ice/building that didn't die first). Range is taken into account, so range 3 weapons will fizzle at 3 squares whilst your longer ranged weapons will still do damage further away, but only at the remaining firepower that can reach that range. The may be damage drop-off from firing through things (ie: you have 30 damage, monster 1 takes 20 damage and dies, monster 2 only takes 10 damage), but I've never noticed it.
2: f, 5(numeric), target. This type of fire can target any square within the longest ranged weapons reach, rather than just the compass points. Drop-off of firepower still occurs with a mixture of weapon ranges. Otherwise very similar to #1.
3: f, 0(numeric). This splits your away team's firepower equally between all targets in range, being able to hit multiple targets at once. All firepower seems to stop at the point of target (rather than continuing to max range like the other two) and is still effected by firepower drop-off for a mixture of different ranges on weapons (range 3 and range 5 beams will be split evenly at range 3, with the remainder of range 5 damage being split between targets that are further away). I may have the order of range splitting around the wrong way (range 5 damage split, then remainder+range 3 goes to close targets, although it seems logically incorrect unless the game works out how much damage it needs to kill a target and only assigns that much, leaving a remainder for closer targets).
Anyway, I could be miles off. I haven't looked at the code yet (although I should, BASIC rocks). Basically it goes: #1 for laser-drilling through dirt and hitting stuff that's lined up, #2 for hitting a particular target hard, #3 for light targets or for when you're feeling lazy and have heaps of long range guns.
I should have just typed that last bit. Anyway, that's the wonders of Prospector targetting. As a word of warning, never fire a weapon past the north or south pole. It will probably hit you in the back of the head
Post by: Neonivek on May 29, 2012, 08:45:48 pm
The ability to shoot at all the enemies at once is a great boon there.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on May 29, 2012, 08:48:25 pm
Actually Sambojin there are areas in the game where you can be uttarly flooded by weak enemies.
The ability to shoot at all the enemies at once is a great boon there.
I also find the Redshirts usually pick good targets, so no pistols trying to shoot at rifle range or anything. It seems like it makes sense, being as how you need a bunch of officers if you have that many Redshirts anyways and they could probably split up into groups and fire on targets. That's how I see it in my mind, anyway.
Post by: puke on May 29, 2012, 10:17:07 pm
When you say structures, do you mean a few certain mission structures, or just blowing away buildings and mountains and that? Regular away team weapons do the second one just fine (although not with just your captain being alive, even with the best weapon).
mission structures. As a caviat, I havent done thorough imperical testing with strong away teams -- but there have been things that I couldnt crack at the time.
In fact, the first time I discovered the "fire" command was when I needed to shoot at something. I knew the correct course of action from the ST:TOS episode that the planet was taken from, and my away team weapons didnt seem to be denting the target on their own. Barely killed it in time with the ships guns, most of my guys got smacked down.
Post by: sambojin on May 29, 2012, 11:36:59 pm
Speaking of equipment, here's a quick list for new players of cheap stuff you'll definately want. It makes things a lot easier.
Starting ship:
Light Scout or Troop Transport. Move onto the Troop Carrier until decent ships turn up.
Sensors MkII. $800 that makes you better at what you do. Need a scout, a transport or a ship hull upgrade to use though.
Imp. AT Landing Gear. $500 that will pay for itself in a few planet missions early on. Then it's still good, even with a bad pilot.
Crew Quarters. $0. Zero. Yep, you lose a weapon/add-on, but you shouldn't be ship fighting in the early game anyway. Big crews=more guns=good.
Hover Platforms. $500. Carries 5 people, makes it so all those water planets are now open to you. Buy a fair few.
Portable Sensor Set. $500. Long range vision means less time wasted and long range shooting. Great, one-off purchase. Possibly the best purchase in the game.
Big Aux. Oxygen Tank. $50. More air means less stuffing around. The normal size and big seem to be about the same. One for each away team member.
Imp. Air Filters. $20. Only twenty bucks, more air on heaps of worlds. One for each person.
Ground Penetrating Radar. $550 Underground vision and see through walls. You really want this for later, but it's handy for tunnel exploring early as well. A one-off purchase.
These won't make you invincible, but once you've got them you only really need weapons, armour, crew, implants, better hulls and ship upgrades. The expensive stuff. And jetpacks, lots of expensive jetpacks.
This may seem a pricey list at first, but believe me, outfitting a 45 man crew with even half-way decent weapons and armour is so much pricier. You need them decently outfitted to survive the time it takes you to find all the lovely artifacts that replace that cheap stuff I listed.
Post by: Shawarma on June 14, 2012, 09:01:08 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 14, 2012, 09:25:01 pm
Man, you guys are lucky. I can't get 100 turns in without the game crashing when I exit a star system.
You HAVE to abuse savescumming in this game. It gets more buggy as you keep going.
Post by: sambojin on June 14, 2012, 10:51:33 pm
But yeah, there's crashes from time to time. It usually crashes the game so you can just restart from where you left off, before landing on the planet. But it's not a bad idea to keep a backup save for safety. It's not savescum abuse if it's used for fixing up "features" in the game.
And seriously, don't fire weapons off the north or south pole of a planet. It's a random thing, but it is my most common cause of crashes.
Post by: Neonivek on June 14, 2012, 11:27:25 pm
The newer versions seem a lot better than the old. No more "invincible, confused captain is your saviour again" sort of stuff.
But yeah, there's crashes from time to time. It usually crashes the game so you can just restart from where you left off, before landing on the planet. But it's not a bad idea to keep a backup save for safety. It's not savescum abuse if it's used for fixing up "features" in the game.
And seriously, don't fire weapons off the north or south pole of a planet. It's a random thing, but it is my most common cause of crashes.
I mean abuse as in "Do it a LOT!"
Post by: Deon on June 15, 2012, 12:44:05 am
Post by: sambojin on June 15, 2012, 04:22:05 am
"Oh my god, I'm going to die. I know....... I'll shoot Santa. That always saves me."
It used to work a lot. I think I've only had one crash from it in the new version, and I forget what the circumstances were. Maybe I got better and don't need cheesy-crash-saves as much. But I did do it on purpose quite a few times when I started playing Prospector,
When in doubt, shoot Santa. Or chaos penguins. They save your arse sometimes.
Post by: Blaze on June 15, 2012, 05:46:08 am
Post by: Caz on October 20, 2012, 08:16:56 am
Or is it not being developed any more? I know it plays like pretty much finished game (if a bit samey after awhile) but it'd be awesome to see new updates to this :)
Post by: jimbobobby on October 20, 2012, 01:34:10 pm
Spoiler: routine (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Caz on October 21, 2012, 08:09:14 am
Kinda annoying, I guess.
Post by: Danv on April 20, 2013, 06:25:02 am
i think i compiled it wrong, don't have any experience with this FreeBASIC, maybe someone can do it right?
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/
Post by: Lukewarm on April 20, 2013, 04:48:47 pm
Post by: Danv on April 20, 2013, 05:22:35 pm
Post by: BigD145 on April 20, 2013, 09:34:49 pm
I do not know how to compile this one or I would.
Post by: jocan2003 on April 21, 2013, 01:35:24 am
Post by: casserol on April 23, 2013, 05:29:14 am
just discovered the game when you necro'd that post and man I THANK YOU FOR THAT :D
Post by: Lightningfalcon on June 17, 2013, 11:10:10 am
Post by: Danv on August 12, 2013, 10:22:29 pm
http://www.2shared.com/file/SMr9hZmX/Prospector_R132_Win_x86_Fix_1.html
Post by: a1s on August 12, 2013, 10:29:13 pm
Post by: jocan2003 on August 12, 2013, 11:36:16 pm
Not to be rude, but who are you?That.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 12, 2013, 11:42:37 pm
necro-time! new version, new build, finallyThanks for the update, where'd it come from?!
http://www.2shared.com/file/SMr9hZmX/Prospector_R132_Win_x86_Fix_1.html
Post by: Hanzoku on August 13, 2013, 08:20:05 am
Post by: a1s on August 13, 2013, 09:16:47 am
That was difficult. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=72485)
Did you take over on developing the game?I wanted him to lie for himself, instead of us making stuff up about him.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 13, 2013, 09:38:56 am
I wanted him to lie for himself, instead of us making stuff up about him.
Not sure what to do but laugh at you. Play the new version. You sound ridiculous. 'instead of us making stuff up about him'
Seriously. There's tilesets and everything has been updated as far as I can see, even generation of characters. Jesus, dude, took like 5 seconds to find out if it was legit.
AMAZING ADDITION for people who notice opaqueness of some mechanics; you now see dice rolls!
Score screen updated and much better to look through. This actually feels like a complete overhaul of previous versions, with usability in mind. Crucial keys are shown on side of the screen for quick reference. Don't have time to getting around to actual gameplay but from what I see I wouldn't doubt that it's been updated as well.
Post by: a1s on August 13, 2013, 09:48:13 am
That sounds awesome, but after the Cata:DDA:MGZ I stopped downloading random files people give me.I wanted him to lie for himself, instead of us making stuff up about him.
Not sure what to do but laugh at you. Play the new version. You sound ridiculous. 'instead of us making stuff up about him'
Seriously. There's tilesets and everything has been updated as far as I can see, even generation of characters. Jesus, dude, took like 5 seconds to find out if it was legit.
AMAZING ADDITION for people who notice opaqueness of some mechanics; you now see dice rolls!
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 13, 2013, 09:51:45 am
That sounds awesome, but after the Cata:DDA:MGZ I stopped downloading random files people give me.
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Not sure what to do but laugh at you.
Who are you, anyway?
I just scanned it multiple times, stop treating the updater as beneath you.
Post by: BigD145 on August 13, 2013, 09:53:15 am
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 13, 2013, 09:55:15 am
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 13, 2013, 09:57:35 am
Paranoia, folks. It's clean and stop treating him as beneath you because he doesn't have a bunch of posts.
It's almost insulting, especially if he did spend his time on this update.
Post by: a1s on August 13, 2013, 09:59:25 am
Who are you, anyway?A1s, model 1-a, system independent. :P
What did you have in mind by that question?
um... you made that post- don't get angry at yourself.Paranoia, folks. It's clean and stop treating him as beneath you because he doesn't have a bunch of posts.
It's almost insulting, especially if he did spend his time on this update.
Post by: BigD145 on August 13, 2013, 10:00:20 am
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 13, 2013, 10:01:30 am
A simple .rar can ruin your computer just by opening it and not even uncompressing anything. Throw caution to the wind if you have the cash to replace your machine and the time to get back to the state it was in before downloading a "simple" file.
Okay. I'll compare them side by side for you if you're so willing to throw away someone's work, feel free to enjoy that paranoia.
um... you made that post- don't get angry at yourself.
Not sure what to do but sigh.
Post by: Gamerlord on August 13, 2013, 10:02:02 am
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 13, 2013, 10:03:53 am
Downloaded and played and no problems yet. Question though; how do I turn off autoinspect in this one?Keybindings.txt shows control+i as the key.
Post by: a1s on August 13, 2013, 10:14:11 am
You could use the edit button. ;)um... you made that post- don't get angry at yourself.Not sure what to do but sigh.
More to the point, you could stop projecting. We don't think he's beneath us, or above us, we're exercising caution. If both you and Gamerlord will not join a Belorussian bot net, that will be a signal for more of us to play the game.
Post by: BigD145 on August 13, 2013, 10:18:04 am
A simple .rar can ruin your computer just by opening it and not even uncompressing anything. Throw caution to the wind if you have the cash to replace your machine and the time to get back to the state it was in before downloading a "simple" file.
Okay. I'll compare them side by side for you if you're so willing to throw away someone's work, feel free to enjoy that paranoia.
I've had quite a few viruses over the years and I managed to get rid of most without rolling back my machine or reinstalling my OS. So guess what? I threw away someone's work. Gosh. What a terrible person I am.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 13, 2013, 10:24:17 am
Spoiler: Here you go, side by side comparison of things I know are different already (click to show/hide)
Gosh. What a terrible person I am.
All it took was 5 seconds and effort to figure it out before completely panning someone for attempting to revive a dead project.
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If both you and Gamerlord will not join a Belorussian bot net, that will be a signal for more of us to play the game.
All it takes is a little bit of stereotyping before you're creating hypotheticals, I suppose.
You know, as opposed to thanking him for the update..
Post by: a1s on August 13, 2013, 10:42:11 am
So do I, since, that doesn't, y'know, actually prove he "isn't posting viruses and fake versions". Sometimes I think you're trolling, honestly.Hope I never have to do this again to prove to people that someone isn't posting viruses and fake versions.Spoiler: Here you go, side by side comparison of things I know are different already (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 13, 2013, 10:45:04 am
So do I, since, that doesn't, y'know, actually prove he "isn't posting viruses and fake versions". Sometimes I think you're trolling, honestly.
Are you serious? I've just stated I've scanned it multiple times, been playing with no issues. What is your problem? I've never been so disappointed in members of this community.
There's a new tileset and entire new changes to the game. One determined virus maker to completely update an old, dead game. Take your stereotypes and push, mate. Obviously nothing I can say will convince you it's the real deal. I enjoy the attitude you bring to this then claim I'm trolling.
Someone here is trolling, that's for sure.
Post by: Gamerlord on August 13, 2013, 10:46:59 am
Post by: Danv on August 13, 2013, 10:47:39 am
i guess i should write some details, but i was already late for work and was in hurry, sorry :)
changelog here
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
forum link
http://prospector.freeforums.org/prospector-r132-t372.html
source (you can compile by yourself, if you don't trust)
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 13, 2013, 10:48:44 am
wow guys, i just post link for new version (still Matthias work), so people here would know it existed, and then went to work, came back now and what i see... :o
i guess i should write some details, but i was already late for work and was in hurry, sorry :)
changelog hereSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks mate. Hopefully will convince the naysayers to knock off this junk. Severely disappointed in you both, A1 and BigD. Seriously.
Post by: Micro102 on August 13, 2013, 10:52:19 am
And bad files don't have to be in the folder for them to have come from it.
Smells fishy.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 13, 2013, 10:52:58 am
I've got to know..... Why is this new download on some random file site, when it has a website?
And bad files don't have to be in the folder for them to have come from it.
Smells fishy.
https://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/source/detail?r=132
Here's the source code for the current version, unless Matthias uploaded a virus himself. Stop. It's almost as if people forgot how to respect developers ever since douchebag mcgee started with that cataclysm 'branch' drama.
Post by: TwilightWalker on August 13, 2013, 10:58:53 am
I've got to know..... Why is this new download on some random file site, when it has a website?
And bad files don't have to be in the folder for them to have come from it.
Smells fishy.
https://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/source/detail?r=132
Here's the source code for the current version, unless Matthias uploaded a virus himself. Stop.
I'm sorry, but no matter how much you yell at us to stop, we're going to be suspect of things that are suspect. Like Micro said, why put up a 2-shared link of a zip when he could've just linked straight to the website itself? Also, since it WAS a link on 2-shared, Matthias didn't have to upload the virus, Danv could've just put it in his zip with his own personal upload. Not that I'm accusing him of such, I'm just pointing it out to you that it COULD have happened, since your scans show it clean and Gamerlord admits his bad download habits.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 13, 2013, 11:01:12 am
Post by: a1s on August 13, 2013, 11:03:11 am
All it took was 5 seconds and effort to figure it out before completely panning someone for attempting to revive a dead project.This is not the place to revive a dead project. That (http://prospector.freeforums.org/index.php) on the other hand is. Explain to me again how what you* are saying makes sense.
fake edit: oh, and BTW, here's (http://prospector.freeforums.org/prospector-r132-t372.html) the relevant thread. with a fully working link.
Well, no, I'm not. I'm playing up my (real) reluctance for laughs (trolling, if you will, if only a little bit). But you also don't understand how virii work. Unless the virus is very poorly made (in one of the auto-detectable, predictable ways), you won't find it until a sample gets sent to whoever made your Anti-virus software. Which with an obscure project like this (and assuming they didn't put it in any other project) could be weeks or months.So do I, since, that doesn't, y'know, actually prove he "isn't posting viruses and fake versions". Sometimes I think you're trolling, honestly.
Are you serious? I've just stated I've scanned it multiple times, been playing with no issues. What is your problem? I've never been so disappointed in members of this community.
https://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/source/detail?r=132Are you suggesting we compile from source? If you are, then your argument is valid.
Here's the source code for the current version, unless Matthias uploaded a virus himself. Stop. It's almost as if people forgot how to respect developers ever since douchebag mcgee started with that cataclysm 'branch' drama.
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(*) Danv actually hasn't said any of things you claim (or most of them). I'm still waiting on him to, I don't know, claim to be CopperD or something. At which point a falsifiable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability) hypothesis can be made.
fake edit: he has in fact not made that claim.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 13, 2013, 11:11:47 am
Are you suggesting we compile from source? If you are, then your argument is valid.Nice goalposts on rails you have there. He provided proof and source and then you continue with the same accusations, all while ignoring the fact that the rar in your 'fully working link' is the exact same one DanV provided. Uploader does not matter. I compared rars and files inside, both are identical. Compiled version has the same size as well.
If it were a botnet it'd be editing registry and putting in rootkits so you're completely inaccurate, and I'd have known the instant I downloaded. I have three layers of protection which I regard as much more fool proof than your conjecture. I've now downloaded and compared three versions of the exact same thing to try and prove this is real and yet you don't care, so neither do I.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on August 13, 2013, 11:16:10 am
Are you suggesting we compile from source? If you are, then your argument is valid.Nice goalposts on rails you have there. He provided proof and source and then you continue with the same accusations, all while ignoring the fact that the rar in your 'fully working link' is the exact same one DanV provided. Uploader does not matter. I compared rars and files inside, bot are the same. Compiled version has the same size as well.
If it were a botnet it'd be editing registry and putting in rootkits so you're completely inaccurate. I've now downloaded and compared three versions of the same fucking thing to try and prove this is real and yet you don't care, so neither do I.
what the fuck is this entire argument doing here
if you really want to claim there's a virus or no virus go read the entire source code line by line because as you may know anyone who would do that sort of shit knows enough about security to avoid the most common scanners at least but don't even start talking about it unless you can bring some proof of suspicious stuff to the table
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 13, 2013, 11:17:41 am
Since my main computer is still out I can't verify anything but I feal I should at least explain the kick back. Over on the CataclysmDDA thread a troll has been popping up over and over again trying to push his version as some kind of cure all for any problems with CataDDA as well as bashing the current Dev team. People have become quite trigger happy in these areas. A lot of people enjoyed Prospector and are worried your not what you advertise. I suspect a lot of people will continue to disbelieve in this until the original Dev says something. Seeing as he is only playing with the code and not commenting here at all this may be a problem. the code repository was linked again and a few people have commented that your download was safe enough as far they can tell so things should settle some. I would like the original Dev to speak up again but thats just a day dream at this point.
@Mictlantecuhtli
Chill man. People are worried someone is trying to take advantaged of peoples love of this game. You linked the code repository but way to late. When people are suspicious you should link the original stuff right away. Remember this is the internet so while I would prefer to believe you if a hacker was responsible for a virusesed version then what do we have to say you weren't a hacked account? When he provided the latest update all he said was it was updated and gave a link to 2shared.
@Everyone else
Lets stop arguing and have someone compile the dang source then tell us whats what. There is enough drama so don't let trolls cause more of it here even when they are not actively trolling.
Post by: a1s on August 13, 2013, 11:21:49 am
snipretracted.
@Everyone elseI agree shut up if someone (non-lunatic) does that.
Lets stop arguing and have someone compile the dang source then tell us whats what. There is enough drama so don't let trolls cause more of it here even when they are not actively trolling.
Post by: Danv on August 13, 2013, 11:22:17 am
once in a while (usually few times a week) i'm checking prospector forum (http://prospector.freeforums.org/index.php) and google code (https://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/source/list) for any updates, while checking again this morning (well, in my timezone) i found this new version posted by CopperD (it was his link on weird file-hosting, later he reuploded it it seems), but before posting link here, i checked update on google code, downloaded game from his link and played for about 5 minutes (my AV scanned it automatically) and only after all this i made quick post here (cuz after all this i was in hurry, as i wrote before)
didn't know about this stuff with CataDDA, but again, i feel it was my bad to post it like this without any explanation
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 13, 2013, 11:29:37 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 13, 2013, 11:31:32 am
Post by: Aklyon on August 13, 2013, 11:38:22 am
Post by: BigD145 on August 13, 2013, 11:42:40 am
didn't know about this stuff with CataDDA, but again, i feel it was my bad to post it like this without any explanation
Posts on Bay12 with little to no explanation are often received with suspicion. More so with a file linked. This is not a new thing here or anywhere on the internet.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 13, 2013, 11:45:05 am
I will admit that wasn't clever though you had just up the page posted previously with updates. I was explaining the reason the mess got so big, not why there was one to begin with. I saw some people from the CataDDA thread and someone even said this was their reason for being suspicious so I felt it only appropriate to explain some of the out of scale hostility.
Post by: puke on August 13, 2013, 12:24:06 pm
Post by: Man of Paper on August 13, 2013, 01:07:48 pm
Post by: copperd on August 14, 2013, 08:02:08 am
I started off thinking Prospector was completely dead. So I downloaded the latest at the time R131 and compiled it and like most found it to crash on planet landing. A few minutes gdb and a few more googling, I found freebasic compiler has a -t option to increase stack size for passing very large data types. At this time I tossed a version up somewhere 2shared I believe until buy buddy could set up a vhost. I also sent an email to the author asking for any notes or comments on the code. I didn't expect a reply. Long story short he updated the SVN with the latest code, I have been made a committer, and we have a very nice long email going.
For now I am working on bug fixes, minor features, and code documentation. I am going to keep these builds to the forum along with some sort of progress indicator.
My personal host
http://fred.neurotica.com/Prospector_R132_Win_x86_Fix1.zip
I am guessing at this point I should add the executable to the google project as your all going to slam my poor host. :)
I have a meeting to attend till 10:30pm est I'll check back in after that.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 14, 2013, 08:09:31 am
Post by: copperd on August 14, 2013, 08:11:23 am
Cool, it is nice to know someone is working on it. One thing is if you could get the original guy to post here or the prospector forum so we can lay to rest any remaining problem with legitimacy.
http://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/people/list
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 14, 2013, 08:26:24 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 15, 2013, 11:57:20 am
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 15, 2013, 01:00:41 pm
Post by: Deon on August 15, 2013, 01:05:24 pm
Holy crap you guys picked this up fast. I have been lurking on bay12 for awhile now. I just did a Google search to try to find people who have talked about Prospector before.Great to know you are working on it again! I may come back and rework my tileset then!
I started off thinking Prospector was completely dead. So I downloaded the latest at the time R131 and compiled it and like most found it to crash on planet landing. A few minutes gdb and a few more googling, I found freebasic compiler has a -t option to increase stack size for passing very large data types. At this time I tossed a version up somewhere 2shared I believe until buy buddy could set up a vhost. I also sent an email to the author asking for any notes or comments on the code. I didn't expect a reply. Long story short he updated the SVN with the latest code, I have been made a committer, and we have a very nice long email going.
For now I am working on bug fixes, minor features, and code documentation. I am going to keep these builds to the forum along with some sort of progress indicator.
My personal host
http://fred.neurotica.com/Prospector_R132_Win_x86_Fix1.zip
I am guessing at this point I should add the executable to the google project as your all going to slam my poor host. :)
I have a meeting to attend till 10:30pm est I'll check back in after that.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 15, 2013, 01:13:56 pm
Don't fudge around with graphical settings on this version. If you go mussing about the resolutions and tick the tileset on/off you'll get some graphical glitches. Tileset gets mad if you turn it off.The actual game looks fine while I play it. My video has a black line in the center that only appeared in video editing. Don't know whats up with that as I am using a screen capture program which should be capturing what I am seeing.
Post by: Imp on August 15, 2013, 04:08:50 pm
The newest version's working great for me, I especially appreciate the list of commands and context-based options that are now visible.
Some things seem really weird to me, especially now that I can see (some of?) the rolls; like
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
There's a few bugs in the (new to me) dialogs, for instance
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Is the game at a point where lists of observed bugs and weirdnesses are wanted somewhere?
Despite these observations, I think the game is improving in a lot of directions I really like. I hadn't played it in well over a year, and I'm really excited about it and enjoying it again. Thank you, everyone who works on it!
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 15, 2013, 04:16:14 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on August 15, 2013, 04:46:37 pm
Post by: Sharp on August 15, 2013, 04:58:44 pm
Post by: Kaje on August 15, 2013, 05:51:52 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 15, 2013, 05:53:48 pm
PLEASE keep developing this, and PLEASE sort the tileset out - this was a fantastic little game before development stalled!
I've played the game this game was based off of.
My immediate thoughts? WOW it is hard to play... Where did I put my prospector copy?
Post by: copperd on August 15, 2013, 08:40:19 pm
R134 address saving images as png, savefile compression, summary folder instead of junk the game dir,and in-game display of crew skills and augments
R133 was skipped for an experimental release as it had a possible bug with the empty.sav file
Post by: copperd on August 16, 2013, 06:50:27 am
Quote
Hapy code merge day!
R138:
http://www.mediafire.com/?5sxsi81axtrfiz1
http://prospector.freeforums.org/prospector-r132-t372.html <- The original post for all the virus crazies
Adds new player icon to show helmet status, male/female player sprites, and some new artifacts.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 16, 2013, 07:08:11 am
Post by: Deon on August 16, 2013, 11:03:45 am
Also for some reason, I did not hurt a reptile when I was moving into it. I had one melee weapon equipped.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 16, 2013, 12:41:01 pm
0.3 Error #6 in 284:EP_AUTOEXPLOREROUTE F:\Prospector\rlprospector\exploreplanet.bas
Post by: Sharp on August 16, 2013, 06:13:28 pm
When you press F to fire, it shows the old awayteam icon.
Also for some reason, I did not hurt a reptile when I was moving into it. I had one melee weapon equipped.
Yeah I'm having the same issue with the new merge build, also doesn't give the option to switch places with non-hostile units (which (usually) saves me murdering NPC's who steal the starting spacesuits).
But I am at the stage where I have 4 disintegrators and a bunch of assorted other fire-arms so I am still happy :D
Post by: copperd on August 16, 2013, 06:20:04 pm
Post by: puke on August 16, 2013, 06:33:36 pm
Right now you can just hit t to teleport over them. Also radioing (Radio then command fire)the ship gun is pretty cool if you want to kill them.
Ah, the good old ships guns.
I remember in an older version I was fleeing from a nasty group of aliens, which were right on my heels. I'd continually call down fire on my location and run a couple of steps. Usually the edge of the blast missed me and got them, and I eventually escaped with only a couple guys left in my away team.
Got rich off that haul, hired new crew, bought more equipment. At some point later I think I salvaged a better gun from a derelict or something. It's been a while, but I seem to remember that it had a significantly larger blast pattern when you called the ship for fire support.
I'm pretty sure this caused me to accidentally kill my away team. But to be honest it has been so long and I accidentally killed so many away teams so many different ways, it all sort of blurs together.
Post by: copperd on August 16, 2013, 07:01:23 pm
These being unofficial builds I would expect stuff missing or incomplete. I also spend hours at work playing the game while I wait for tests to complete so I know about a lot of the bugs. ;D
Don't ever think you need to hold a bug report back because it could be something that was missed. I just don't want anyone to think I was ignoring them if its not fixed in the next release or I don't comment on your bug. I think at this time I care more about features or improvements.
I plan on tackling the Tribble maybe tonight or later this weekend. I have some good surprises in store for these guys. Currently they are a good cheap way to boost moral.
Post by: Imp on August 16, 2013, 07:08:03 pm
Don't ever think you need to hold a bug report back...
Still very glad game exists and has improvements into the future. Had nearly forgotten how very much I liked this game, except for a few things that made me not like it; most of those 'eww, I changed my mind' things seem less common, a few maybe even gone in the current game.
Where do you want bug reports posted, here?
Post by: copperd on August 16, 2013, 07:08:53 pm
I'm pretty sure one of the best bugs is going to the casino, meeting Buisnessman Richard Something and finding out that Richard Something owes money to Richard Something, then talking to Richard Something to get Richard Something to pay Richard Something and then getting a commission for it. I can't even claim split personality disorder for that one so I guess it's Alzheimers for the win!
I almost messed myself when I read that. I think I would call that a feature :)
Post by: copperd on August 16, 2013, 07:14:47 pm
Where do you want bug reports posted, here?
Here or the game forum (Would be nice to have some active people back on) or even better https://code.google.com/p/rlprospector/issues/list
I would like to start using the issue tracker as it keeps track of everything. I might see about clearing it out and starting fresh also. Dont worry if you add anything they have time stamps.
Post by: Sharp on August 16, 2013, 08:08:05 pm
Ah, the good old ships guns.
I remember in an older version I was fleeing from a nasty group of aliens, which were right on my heels. I'd continually call down fire on my location and run a couple of steps. Usually the edge of the blast missed me and got them, and I eventually escaped with only a couple guys left in my away team.
I did this while docked with a stranded destroyer full of those damned purple crystals, cost me 5 vet redshirts, doctor and pilot but hell of an upgrade from Lvl 1 Troop Transport to Lvl 3? Destroyer. Although I am missing a few interior walls in my destroyer, nothing bad has happened so far.....
Post by: Niveras on August 17, 2013, 12:10:45 pm
There were a couple close calls. Some old robot factory thing with five "so thin they're almost invisible" metal blades put the hurt on pretty bad. But by comparison, I just waltzed through a "perfectly spherical metal planet" that had tons of bots and a reactor at the bottom of a cave that I repaired without any damage at all. (Got a nice 75k bonus from the Trading corp for reporting about it. Though now I wonder if any of the others would have granted more.)
Is there anything I can do to better survive corrosive atmospheres? Do I simply have to ensure everything every person has equipped is corrosion resistant? (Or, at least, only send out people equipped in such a way?)
Are all equipment functional? The ground penetrating radar and the seismograph don't seem to do what they say they do. I haven't been able to see through walls, underground or otherwise (or mountains or rubble) nor do notice anything being pointed out when an earthquake occurs.
Edit: yikes, just got blasted by a living planet. It took a bunch of turns as soon as combat began, then took a bunch more while I tried to open '?' to view keybinds so I could look at the backlog and see what the heck it was doing.
Post by: SharpKris on August 17, 2013, 12:58:21 pm
i really hope this will keep developing
Post by: Imp on August 17, 2013, 01:13:57 pm
Are all equipment functional? The ground penetrating radar and the seismograph don't seem to do what they say they do. I haven't been able to see through walls, underground or otherwise (or mountains or rubble) nor do notice anything being pointed out when an earthquake occurs.
I haven't been able to test this in the current version yet, as I've never gotten all the equipment at one time yet, but in an older version I needed to have both ground penetrating radar and a portable sensorset in order to see through terrain that blocked sight. I never have seen the seismograph provide much information, but I never really tested that item plus the other pieces of equipment that might enhance the interpretation of its data.
I don't know if the difficulty has been tweaked or if I just lucked out, but I am having a much easier time surviving in the latest version compared to the old long-dead release. I only have the main set of officers (no security or medics) but enemies pretty much aren't doing any damage to me.
Difficulty seems greatly adjusted to me as well; but there had been that option of 'easy start', around turn 500 or so fights get harder instead of starting hard and it appears that this is turned on by default in this version + actually works; typically by turn 500 I've found some very nice armor and people seem to continue to survive well. Maybe too well; but I'm sure balance will continue to be adjusted as the game continues to be improved. And even given 'invincible characters'... my games keep ending in death for all from one thing or another, I'm just getting to see a lot more of the game then I ever had before in one play now.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 17, 2013, 02:10:06 pm
Post by: LordSlowpoke on August 17, 2013, 02:21:23 pm
Even with nigh invisible crew
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Niveras on August 17, 2013, 02:27:37 pm
The default is getting to be a bit of an eyestrain, what with the having to squint to make sure I'm not missing surface features (like caves).
Any tips?
Post by: copperd on August 17, 2013, 05:18:51 pm
The default is getting to be a bit of an eyestrain, what with the having to squint to make sure I'm not missing surface features (like caves).
I think what your asking for is a larger title set or having the view windows stretched to a larger resolution. The only title size right now is 24x24. I been wanting to do work on a 32x32 title set and see where that goes.
On a more serious note and I not trying to be a dick here (I've spent a number of years working in the field of eye care and health) but you should consider getting your eyes checked or glasses cleaned. You should not have to squint to see details on the computer monitor. There could be lots of other reasons for the eye strain but this would be the most common.
Post by: Niveras on August 17, 2013, 06:04:19 pm
I don't generally have a problem with eye strain when using my computer, it is just the combination of monitor distance, monitor resolution, and tileset size when playing Prospector. I can lean in (squinting was a bad way to describe it) and it's not a problem, or I could move my monitor closer (and move it back when not playing prospector) or change my desktop resolution. But these are less elegant solutions than changing prospector's tile sizes. I presume it should be possible because the option exists, but - if it worked at all - it was broken/temporarily disabled along with a few other things during the recent development.
It's not big deal. I was only exploring my current options, wondering whether I misunderstood the configuration settings or if there was something to it that I was missing. If it is not possible at this time, I'm more than willing to wait patiently until it is implemented or fixed.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 17, 2013, 06:17:20 pm
Post by: Tsuchigumo550 on August 17, 2013, 06:57:29 pm
Or not. Apparently choosing a random ship has frozen the game?
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 17, 2013, 09:56:21 pm
0.3 Error #6 in 4096:SPACE_RADIO F:\Prospector\rlprospector\prospector.bas
Post by: Danv on August 18, 2013, 02:28:52 am
Post by: Imp on August 18, 2013, 03:40:33 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 18, 2013, 06:29:08 am
R138 is really unstable, too many CTDs, i suggest using R132-134 for a regular gameAh but unstable or not this is what I started my game in. Of course once I die I will go and look up the latest and greatest but the game is going really good at the moment. I find with roguelikes even when I have a really good game going I tend to die quick enough anyway though I guess I can show off retiring at the end of todays video so I can update.
Post by: Man of Paper on August 18, 2013, 09:05:40 am
What isn't mine is the ability to control rocks hurtling through space directly at my only way off of the planet I'm currently exploring.
Post by: Deon on August 18, 2013, 11:11:09 am
Post by: Niveras on August 18, 2013, 12:38:14 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Danv on August 18, 2013, 12:45:21 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: copperd on August 18, 2013, 02:49:33 pm
Known bugs:
Setting some skills is slow
Some of the overlays are bugged during radio fire target select and examine.
Included the correct freetype6.dll file so if you have the other R142 from the forum just grab this and update that dll.
*I think I have nipped the auto explore CTD bug in the butt. The fix will be in the next release.
Post by: Sharp on August 18, 2013, 05:58:55 pm
Am annoyed though, had a good run starting, went to space station to dock for fuel but forgot to refuel so ended up dead :(
Slightly better then run before where only nearby star just only had the pirate world and they don't take kindly to strangers...
Post by: EuchreJack on August 19, 2013, 01:15:17 am
A pair of aces lost to a pair of kings.
Selecting to see causes the player to fold.
Post by: copperd on August 19, 2013, 07:24:40 am
http://fred.neurotica.com/Prospector_R143_Win_X86.zip
Please post if you manage to get a auto explore CTD
Just put a fix in for "0.3 Error #6 in 4096:SPACE_RADIO F:\Prospector\rlprospector\prospector.bas" this should be taken care of in R144
Post by: sebcool on August 19, 2013, 08:07:53 am
Post by: Sharp on August 19, 2013, 09:00:49 am
EDIT:
Oh yeah, also have a bug with NPC's/monsters appearing off-set, as in tile next to me looks like no-one on it but there is a monster but I see the monster tile like 10 tiles away (in unseen area), off-set also happens when e'x'amining and moving around it makes the icon move although the monster will be in the same place for the description. And also getting some offset when commenting on space map sometimes as well.
Post by: GrayFox on August 19, 2013, 09:07:36 am
Ship combat really needs some work. It's pretty odd. ???
Post by: copperd on August 19, 2013, 12:24:22 pm
You're the best, copperd.
:D As much as I would like to take the credit, Magellan is doing 99% of the code changes right now including a big overhaul to the overlay system.
I have mainly been doing polishing and bug hunting. This weekend was a total flop for me as I hurt my back and didn't do much coding. Ive managed to changed 3 bytes but it fixed two CTD bugs.
Post by: Sharp on August 19, 2013, 03:58:48 pm
Before I only save scummed because of game breaking bugs like
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
but this time I landed on a special world next to a slightly damaged alien scoutship, I repaired it and fended off attacks from the metallic natives and then when I got the message to swap it for my old ship I pressed a direction key by accident and my setting has it so that anything which isn't y is a no, so I had to save-scum 12 times until I finally was able to successfully repair it again and swap it, but now I have the ultimate ship but it is tainted!
Post by: Niveras on August 19, 2013, 04:29:39 pm
R143: Nothing fancy just a fix for auto explore CTD
http://fred.neurotica.com/Prospector_R143_Win_X86.zip
Please post if you manage to get a auto explore CTD
Just put a fix in for "0.3 Error #6 in 4096:SPACE_RADIO F:\Prospector\rlprospector\prospector.bas" this should be taken care of in R144
I don't know about autoexplore CTDs but I notice sometimes that when autoexplore ends or is interrupted, it still plays out several (sometimes several dozen) turns. For example, autoexplore might reach my ship and report "You are at the ship. Press l to launch. (x112)." Worse is when I interrupt autoexplore because I want enough oxygen to get back to my ship, but despite interrupting it at Oyxgen:125, I end up with Oxygen:80.
This is mostly avoidable since the autoexplore could do with some improvements but I don't expect it is high priority. I've taking to just exploring manually (particularly once I have jetpacks) and only using autoexplore to clean up items on the planet before I leave.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 19, 2013, 10:05:45 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 19, 2013, 10:35:44 pm
Since that will earn you some small amounts of cash and once you are ready to explore it would have taken soo much time that artifacts start littering the planet like they grew from the trees.
Post by: Man of Paper on August 20, 2013, 08:10:39 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As for the Heavy Scout Fang of Horus...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Crew Summary...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Exploration Log...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And Finally, Unique Planets Discovered...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
For the first time in my Roguelike career, I am very, very happy with my progress. Of course, I haven't won yet. Not until I kill everything and burn every planet.
EDIT: Oh, and if I didn't savescum, ending it here nets me 95,484 Credits and 404418 Points.
Post by: puke on August 20, 2013, 09:17:29 pm
Honestly one thing I really noticed about the game is that the far superior way to start the game is to be a trader.
Since that will earn you some small amounts of cash and once you are ready to explore it would have taken soo much time that artifacts start littering the planet like they grew from the trees.
Wait, artifacts increase over time? Is that a new feature?
I thought the longer you waited, the more your competitors would arrive before you and harvest minerals and such.
Post by: Neonivek on August 20, 2013, 09:56:38 pm
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Wait, artifacts increase over time?
Artifacts are on a timed release. Since planets are not generated until you explore then, if you explore planets after that wait time, every planet you explore will have artifacts.
it is pretty much gaming the system.
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would arrive before you and harvest minerals and such
Yeah it doesn't really matter... The money in early game exploration is such small potatoes you will die the majority of the time before you make anything worthwhile.
Post by: EuchreJack on August 21, 2013, 06:22:17 am
So I feel like scum because I save-scummed :(
Before I only save scummed because of game breaking bugs likeSpoiler (click to show/hide)
but this time I landed on a special world next to a slightly damaged alien scoutship, I repaired it and fended off attacks from the metallic natives and then when I got the message to swap it for my old ship I pressed a direction key by accident and my setting has it so that anything which isn't y is a no, so I had to save-scum 12 times until I finally was able to successfully repair it again and swap it, but now I have the ultimate ship but it is tainted!
It isn't tainted, in my mind. You got cheated by a misclick, and were well within your rights to save-scum to fix it. I generally alt-tab-close when I do stuff like that, and feel completely justified.
Honestly one thing I really noticed about the game is that the far superior way to start the game is to be a trader.
Since that will earn you some small amounts of cash and once you are ready to explore it would have taken soo much time that artifacts start littering the planet like they grew from the trees.
QuoteWait, artifacts increase over time?
Artifacts are on a timed release. Since planets are not generated until you explore then, if you explore planets after that wait time, every planet you explore will have artifacts.
it is pretty much gaming the system.Quotewould arrive before you and harvest minerals and such
Yeah it doesn't really matter... The money in early game exploration is such small potatoes you will die the majority of the time before you make anything worthwhile.
I've gotta disagree with you. Mining robots earn thousands of credits, and you can just buy two simple ones for 80 credits each and just bounce between two planets until you get bored. No paying crew for every delivery (which can get expensive), and your ship isn't junk just because it caries more cargo.
Plus, more artifacts aren't the only things that get generated the longer you wait. The enemies also get stronger. So unless you've got tons of credits to outfit your crew with top-of-the-line equipment, you're fragged. Especially as approximately half of all artifacts are only good for resale, you've got about a 50/50 chance of correctly identifying the artifacts, and only a handful of them are weapons or armor. And trading instead of exploring means those redshirts can't take a hit like my xenocidal redshirt army.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on August 21, 2013, 06:23:23 am
and then you can just fuck around firing the ship's weapons at everything in sight since you have five goddamn arrays of them
Especially as approximately half of all artifacts are only good for resale, you've got about a 50/50 chance of correctly identifying the artifacts, and only a handful of them are weapons or armor. And trading instead of exploring means those redshirts can't take a hit like my xenocidal redshirt army.
relies heavily on science officer skill, rule of thumb don't bother unless 3+
Post by: EuchreJack on August 21, 2013, 06:27:35 am
So, uh, the Fang of Horus and it's crew. Hm. Well, here's stock of their inventory so far. Keep in mind I've sold exactly nothing to shops since I don't need the bank, and looted all the stuff save for ship upgrades and the combat gloves.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As for the Heavy Scout Fang of Horus...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Crew Summary...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Exploration Log...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And Finally, Unique Planets Discovered...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
For the first time in my Roguelike career, I am very, very happy with my progress. Of course, I haven't won yet. Not until I kill everything and burn every planet.
EDIT: Oh, and if I didn't savescum, ending it here nets me 95,484 Credits and 404418 Points.
Look out Apollo, a new god is born!
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 21, 2013, 10:51:03 am
Post by: Sharp on August 21, 2013, 03:37:02 pm
Also does anyone else just try and go for like 12/13 perks at the start and have no money? Money can be obtained later but perks are much harder to come by so I like to get lots, the Aim perk helps a lot early on as well to kill monsters from afar. The only real problem with starting with no money is that getting the few stars from the scientist is really handy for only 50 credits, can save a lot of time that would be spent on searching for stars.
Once I have around 1000 credits I fire my crappy starting officers and try to hire lvl 4-5 officers and then once I can afford it I fit them all with
Post by: Niveras on August 21, 2013, 04:08:55 pm
Post by: Sharp on August 21, 2013, 04:22:08 pm
Most of the perks don't seem that beneficial to me. I guess haggler and merchant are the most important, but all the rest only buff your captain I would think? I guess that's helpful at the start, but later on I was swimming in cash so I didn't care how much things cost or need to trade to make money, and no matter how skillful your captain is, another redshirt is generally more effective than a bump or two to a captain's stat.
Yeah the point is money is easy to get later on in the game, however surviving up to there can be more tricky, giving yourself like 5 Aim means that monsters can be hit from more then 2 tiles away, haggler isn't necessary, confident is nice to get some missions early especially if you start of in or near an Omega Research base as the finding a planet for them is pretty easy, I normally do 5 Aim, 5 Sharpshooter and then Confident and random item, sometimes you get some really nice starting items.
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 21, 2013, 04:26:53 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 21, 2013, 04:27:13 pm
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So unless you've got tons of credits to outfit your crew with top-of-the-line equipment, you're fragged
Good thing with trading you not only can afford to equip your crew with what is needed... but artifacts are the best equipment in the game. Plus no risk on any planet.
Also you can make tens of thousands with trading.
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The enemies also get stronger.
Yeah, there are few enemies that even matter in this game once you start to enter the late game.
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you've got about a 50/50 chance of correctly identifying the artifacts, and only a handful of them are weapons or armor
And every planet will have 4 of them AND the game rarely has repeats. I've had my entire 50 person crew have their own.
Then if you don't identify them correctly, you get a huge infusion of cash. Equip the rest of your crew.
Either way the best strategies are just "not doing anything interesting until you build a bankroll" whether it be trading or mining robots.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 23, 2013, 11:29:28 am
Post by: Neon Green on August 23, 2013, 06:33:32 pm
Post by: Tnx on August 25, 2013, 05:53:12 pm
Post by: copperd on August 27, 2013, 08:56:57 am
This comes from Magellan on the prospect main forum.
http://prospector.freeforums.org/latest-experimental-builds-and-notes-t374-10.html
r155
http://www.mediafire.com/?uttms57xqwci2mx
Savegames are not compatible!
Cursor wierdness should be fixed.
Minor bugfixes.
You can now hunt animals for food or luxury items!
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 27, 2013, 11:47:27 am
Post by: EuchreJack on August 29, 2013, 01:12:59 am
Well I guess it is a good thing I died to a giant space worm while refueling in my last video. It will be nice to have the cursor weirdness gone. Also being able to hunt animals for luxury items will be nice as I seem to occasionally go a little crazy and just kill things on random planets for no particular reason. It seems to be attached to either being a really good shot or getting a really shiny gun.
I'm pretty sure that I've read somewhere that in Prospector, the best strategy is to kill now, loot later. Better to kill the xenoscum now rather than wait for it to get angry for no good reason and kill you. Herbavore just means it won't eat you after it kills you.
Post by: guessingo on August 30, 2013, 12:49:50 pm
Post by: Neonivek on August 30, 2013, 12:51:08 pm
so this game is back in development? wasnt it abandoned for a long time? Have their been major updates?
To me it wasn't so much abandoned so much as it is near most pretty much finished.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on September 02, 2013, 10:36:26 pm
0.3 Error #6 in 563:LANDING F:\Prospector\rlprospector\prospector.bas
Post by: Gamerlord on September 03, 2013, 12:12:20 am
I found an exploit. If you get rid of all your starting money for more points and bury all those points in Merchant, you can buy things for less than you sell them.
EXAMPLE:
I buy 1 Weapons Parts for 3000
at the SAME station WITHOUT leaving, I can then sell it for 3900.
Post by: Geen on September 03, 2013, 02:46:28 pm
EHEHEHEHEHEH.lods emone
I found an exploit. If you get rid of all your starting money for more points and bury all those points in Merchant, you can buy things for less than you sell them.
EXAMPLE:
I buy 1 Weapons Parts for 3000
at the SAME station WITHOUT leaving, I can then sell it for 3900.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on September 10, 2013, 02:01:48 am
Post by: puke on September 24, 2013, 05:15:49 pm
Whats up? How do I proceed?
Post by: Gabeux on November 11, 2013, 02:52:27 pm
So, this game has a new forum and magellan (dev) has been posting there, here (http://www.prospector.at/forum/)
On the site's menu you can also find the download page with r176 version.
It's been a looong while since I played this, but I missed it so I gave it a try.
The graphics aren't ASCII anymore and my game doesn't crash every 20 minutes or so, like it used to do.
And it's awesome cruelness is still there: I am savescumming and feeling bad for doing it since I already died around 30 times with different terrible deaths.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on November 11, 2013, 02:57:21 pm
that's the only term i can use really. there's no way to see what's going on (unless you turn on sensors and make yourself a bigger target than a small planet), you're attacked by pirates and they run into asteroids offscreen and you're thrown out
also space battles have historically been the cause of many a ctd'd 3k+ turn game for me, or that's the best i can trace it to. you've played it it seems, have they been unfucked?
Post by: Gabeux on November 11, 2013, 03:17:53 pm
I haven't had any problems with it, though, and my game hasn't crashed once.
Post by: Niveras on November 11, 2013, 04:31:30 pm
Post by: Gabeux on November 11, 2013, 04:34:57 pm
But I'm not sure, I had to change almost every keybind since I'm playing on a laptop keyboard. :-\
Post by: BigD145 on November 11, 2013, 04:52:42 pm
One thing I was never able to find out- how do you select a landing location?I too would like to know this. Used to know and quickly forgot.
/ct doesn't tell you much. Tried /, c, t, ctrl and nearly every other button out there.
Post by: Sharp on November 11, 2013, 04:55:52 pm
Post by: puke on November 12, 2013, 12:12:52 am
Post by: SharpKris on November 12, 2013, 03:06:51 pm
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/181428952/approaching-infinity-a-space-adventure-roguelike?ref=category
not very sure what to make of it
Post by: puke on November 12, 2013, 03:31:11 pm
I do like what he did with the Space Empires 5 UI, even though I dont feel that it ultimately served the game well from a functionality perspective.
Has anyone tried his alpha?
Post by: BigD145 on November 12, 2013, 03:56:52 pm
I was scrolling through kickstarter when i saw thisFromt he looks, it's very similar to prospector...
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/181428952/approaching-infinity-a-space-adventure-roguelike?ref=category
not very sure what to make of it
It's kinda hard not to be if you have tiles in 2d. I could say it looks very similar to Avernum and nothing like Escape Velocity.
Post by: getter77 on November 12, 2013, 04:07:02 pm
I was scrolling through kickstarter when i saw this
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/181428952/approaching-infinity-a-space-adventure-roguelike?ref=category
not very sure what to make of it
It is going to be a quality thing with a style to itself---more the merrier as far as I'm concerned for space-faring Roguelikes.
Post by: Neonivek on November 12, 2013, 04:21:01 pm
Though DEAR HOLY was Starflight absolutely malicious. In many ways it is why I prefer Prospector.
Though yeah the Kickstarter seems TOO close to prospector.
Post by: Sharp on November 12, 2013, 04:26:24 pm
Gotta be honest though I didn't like the pitch video that much, just seemed a bit too laissez-faire for me. I won't be backing this because from what I've seen so far I might as well just play Prospector.
Post by: Graknorke on November 12, 2013, 04:30:04 pm
Post by: BigD145 on November 12, 2013, 04:31:17 pm
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Then there's my experience with roguelikes. ADOM, angband, DCSS, their variants, years of 7DRLs, etc.
Zero mention of Prospector by name. Not as inspiration or anything of the sort.
Post by: Gabeux on November 12, 2013, 05:59:52 pm
Or, in other words, if Magellan went indie dev and Kickstarter.
So I don't like this :P
I'm almost finishing my savescummed-run, and as I always said, the game has a LOT of potential, and currently there's a lot of fun to be had in it.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: getter77 on November 13, 2013, 07:57:11 am
Well David Gervais definitely knows about Prospector. It does indeed look very similar to Prospector, the worrying thing is because Prospector is open-source, similar game is one thing but copy-pasta sauce code is another, still it could just be coincidence or even inspired by Prospector which is probably more likely so could just be good by adding another game to the rogueliike list.
I'm rather very confident that the game is NOT copying source code and whatnot from Prospector---IBOL, the dev, has a fair number of prior Roguelike projects to his name and has always done his own thing while often snagging some help from Gervais on the graphics front since the latter somehow wound up in The Game Creators community in the years after his classic Roguelike tilesets became a thing.
Post by: SharpKris on November 13, 2013, 10:38:11 am
Post by: puke on November 13, 2013, 12:02:26 pm
BUT, the gameplay elements of planetary landings and ship interiors and even the station menus look like he lifted the themes straight from prospector. There is actually nothing wrong with that. Magellan should be flattered that he inspired another game. You don't get to make a product and then forbid anything similar from being created, that isnt how it works.
Similarly: minecraft, dwarfcorp, gnomoria, towns, game of dwarves... these guys dont owe Toady royalties. He can't demand that they pull their crappy knock-off games off the market. He's created a genre, and people can make similar works. Usually, having more products out there foster a healthy marketplace and actually boost your sales, unless you stop innovating and creating.
Sometimes not. In these cases, you're probably innovating wrong so it's time to adapt and overcome.
I'd still love to play some prospector, if it keeps updating. I'd also love to play a new game by Magellan, if he keeps making them. If this guy draws more attention to this sort of game with his crazy kickstarted knockoff, good for him. good for me, it means more games that I like being made.
Post by: Neonivek on November 13, 2013, 12:03:44 pm
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Similarly: minecraft, dwarfcorp, gnomoria, towns, game of dwarves... these guys dont owe Toady royalties
Those are sort of pale imitations that don't hit the same notes.
Everytime I think of an example (Monster Rancher and Princess Maker for example), it turns out they were made by the same company.
Post by: puke on November 13, 2013, 12:11:31 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 13, 2013, 12:12:01 pm
How about every resource gathering base building RTS ever made? Do they owe it back to Westwood for Dune 2?
ALL made by Westwood for the longest time.
Post by: puke on November 13, 2013, 01:38:53 pm
Post by: Tilla on November 13, 2013, 09:27:20 pm
Post by: IBOL17 on November 14, 2013, 02:15:13 am
Let me start by saying, I talked to Matthias (Prospector's developer) in October, and we got along well.
Approaching infinity is indeed inspired by prospector, and Matthias gave me this blessing:
"I haven't looked at approaching infinity yet, but if it was inspired
in some ways by prospector that's very flattering, and I say thank
you! "
Secondly, if you enjoy prospector, please do check out my game. kck.st/16WbPeY
And even more-so, if you found prospector hard to get into or understand, then definitely look into Approaching Infinity.
Approaching Infinity is meant to be accessible, and it has quite a different focus from prospector. There are huge stories, and you can take part in great wars and other things that certain alien species see as important goals.
And the game is designed to be infinite. No level cap, no "this is the best gun and that's it", no "sector 999 reached, turn back now"
Play for as long as you want, or pursue game-ending goals with vigor. The choice is yours.
Regarding kickstarter
Yes, my video is not great. I have remade it many times. I find it's not one of my strong suits.
I am a programmer. I am a designer. I am not an actor, and I am not a video editor.
I am not kickstarting my video, I'm trying to get support for my game, which if you read about it, is pretty awesome!
And regarding "open source":
I don't know what your motivation is, but my code is my own. I've never looked at prospectors code. The only code I've borrowed is my LOS() code, from a friend, who in turn took it from a roguebasin article.
You can read my dev blog and see how the game has progressed over the last few months:
http://ibol17.wordpress.com/
You can also check out my other games, which are many and varied:
http://ibol17.wordpress.com/other-projects/
Including "Random Realms", a fairly well known classical roguelike where even the monsters are procedurally generated with each new game. And there you'll also see that I've had the privilege of working with David Gervais many times in the past.
In closing,
thanks for noticing,
try out the free alpha for PC if you're so inclined,
Bob
Post by: Gamerlord on November 14, 2013, 03:09:10 am
Is it just me or is having a post/thread/username on Bay12 requred for indie devs, particularly roguelike devs?
Post by: getter77 on November 14, 2013, 08:08:15 am
Post by: Neonivek on November 14, 2013, 11:48:38 am
why do people try to "win" threads? I mean, what the fuck? Tell me when Prospector updates, I'm going to the park.
Ohh no, you mean if someone disagrees with a statement you say... that they will actually argue their point?
Whoa... Why do people keep doing that? :P
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the game is designed to be infinite. No level cap, no "this is the best gun and that's it", no "sector 999 reached, turn back now"
Play for as long as you want, or pursue game-ending goals with vigor. The choice is yours
Sounds like a design flaw to me. Games tend to function if they have a hard cap or soft cap. So I'll just assume this is an exaggeration and it is "infinite with no end goals" like The Sims is.
In that you can play forever, but you can "max out" so to speak. After which you will just experiment.
Unless I guess this is procedural and it will continue to generate tougher planets, enemies, and ships as well as equipment... until you are flying around with universe destroying doomsday weapons.
Post by: sambojin on November 14, 2013, 12:11:11 pm
Anyway, as an aside point, I'm finally about to finish a study course I've been doing tomorrow (with hopeful employment shortly afterwards). In the downtime between the unpaid and paid, I'm damn well going to chill out playing Prospector (and probably DoomRL and Triangle Wizard). If it wasn't for Toady and the resident dwarf immigrants, I never would have heard of any of these games. So Approaching Infinty, you'll have to wait. But if it's half as good as Prospector, I'll probably sink a bit of time into it.
Ps. why doesn't anyone pick shooty redshirts? Marksmen rock. It's +1 to-hit goddammit. +1 for all 40 of them (with the required medics in tow). With Disruptors. And either point, line or split fire optional. Meh. Maybe I need to play the new versions. Maybe it's changed.
Post by: Neonivek on November 14, 2013, 12:22:44 pm
Post by: BigD145 on November 14, 2013, 12:26:53 pm
Honestly the game does get ridiculous later Sambojin where you feel a LOT less like an away team and more like a heavily armed army!
Have you landed on hostile planets before? Goddamn, you need a frickin army.
Post by: Neonivek on November 14, 2013, 12:29:03 pm
Honestly the game does get ridiculous later Sambojin where you feel a LOT less like an away team and more like a heavily armed army!
Have you landed on hostile planets before? Goddamn, you need a frickin army.
Yep! and the two hardest enemy types, that I know of, can kill you even with your army! (and only ONE time is it worth it)
Post by: sambojin on November 14, 2013, 04:56:19 pm
Strangely enough, after your extermitatus team has a bit of buffer HP, acid/lava and inhospitable planets are your friend. It trains your docs up quickly in any case. They're the one sort of officer that it's not a complete disaster to have quit on you, simply because 2 docs and a heap of medics work well and get trained quickly.
Also, what do you mean hostile planets? If it moves, and even if it doesn't, it's a target. I'm not paying my snipers for nothing and they need as much training as anyone else. Plus, my doctors and science officers need samples of *everything*. We don't come in peace, evil xeno scum. Or robots. Whatever. Pew pew pew!
Post by: Gabeux on November 14, 2013, 05:48:00 pm
I *think* the update will be about minor fixes, not sure which though, but I reported 3 and I know at least 2 got fixed, including the Apollo planet. To the unfortunate:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on November 14, 2013, 05:51:18 pm
One of the most deadly planets is what I like to call "Jellyfish world"
Post by: sambojin on November 14, 2013, 09:11:49 pm
I'll check the update tomorrow and see how many changes have occured. Is the arena still "free money" for minimal effort?
Post by: Neonivek on November 15, 2013, 01:01:01 am
Post by: sambojin on November 15, 2013, 04:36:43 am
Once you end up modding out a 50 man crew with enhancements, have level 5-7+ officers and a heap of artifacts, not much can stop you. Although, you still will lose a few crew members to robots and the like (especially on older, bugged-out robot maps), but there's plenty more where that came from. Ship combat was a nuisance, not a disaster waiting to happen.
Still, I've had some hilarious "I'm invincible! But I forgot my emergency beacon....." deaths to asteroid strikes and super-volcanic planets. Plus, I've never actually finished the game, so I'll churn a fair few hours in tomorrow before the missus knocks off work for some entertainment and maybe some bug-testing.
Post by: Neonivek on November 15, 2013, 03:32:44 pm
There really is no way to become the ultimate captain?
Post by: Hanzoku on November 15, 2013, 04:47:37 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 15, 2013, 05:12:04 pm
I don't know, I've completed the game after having bought a royal title and my own earth-like planet, and having averted the robot menace. I'm not sure how much more ultimate it gets after that.
Getting to keep your ship... or even not retiring.
The ending always kind of feels like a downer. You have so much more life to give, but there is no where to advance but to settle down.
Post by: Gabeux on November 15, 2013, 09:49:44 pm
I don't know, I've completed the game after having bought a royal title and my own earth-like planet, and having averted the robot menace. I'm not sure how much more ultimate it gets after that.
Getting to keep your ship... or even not retiring.
The ending always kind of feels like a downer. You have so much more life to give, but there is no where to advance but to settle down.
Yep, it would fix that if a "New Game Plus" style thing were added and after you "finish" the first sector, you find (or someone gives you) a warp drive or something that enables you to go to other galaxies or sectors.
After all:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
By the way, it seems magellan posted the update rather silently :P
From the downloads section:
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R177
+ Major and minor bugs fixed
+ If your ship has a hot weapon it will be shown in the sidebar on a planet
+ reversed the order of choose weapon and choose target when firing on a planet
+ fixed some rover pathfinding bugs
+ new quest: Patrol
+ Apollo bug fixed and some details improved in apollo interaction
+ Changed shipfire on surface (smaller radius, damage calculated differently, ignores playerarmor now too)
+ releasing a key held down now registers instantly
+ lowererd poker game bets
Uploaded on: Fri 15. Nov 2013, 14:54
Nice! The key release bug almost killed me lots of times, and it always pissed me off a lot.
Post by: puke on November 15, 2013, 10:40:39 pm
I think the positive / negativeness of the ending depends on doing the "locate the factory" style missions. I'm a little fuzzy on this, but I seem to remember being offered missions to locate in-tact robotic factories (pretty certain here) and possibly another to destroy them? (less certain on that second part).
Since the negative ending is humanity retreating from an advancing robotic threat, and you suggest that the positive ending is more expansionist in nature, I would offer the conjecture that it is possible to get the positive ending by completing some of those missions.
I've gotten pretty powerful with alien scout ship and lots of artifact weapons and equipment, but never seen the positive ending you describe. I've never completed many of the "find the factory" missions or systematically purged them, either.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 16, 2013, 04:31:59 am
Post by: magellan on November 16, 2013, 04:07:38 pm
Also there are now 3 endings: (4 if you include dying) Retire, do something against the robot menace, defeat the robot menace.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: sambojin on November 16, 2013, 04:54:09 pm
Two more options could be to become a navy sector-admiral or a pirate captain. Pay lots of money, a fleet gets added to your location (either patrol fleet or pirate raiders) that's friendly to you regardless, maybe with an optional text that it's them that picks you up when you use your emergency beacon (perhaps a greater chance of friendly pickup?). A nice little retirement blurb about your ships getting totally destroyed by alien and robot fleets or being victorious and helping bring peace to the sector (or harassing the imperial scum for FREEDOM! and lots of money). Sort of mid/upper-tier pricewise, again just so you can characterize your captain a bit better.
Even without the ingame effects (which might be a bit harder to code), it'd be nice to customize your ending a bit more than "I'ze own a big rock".
Ps. It's just occured to me that these sort of already are retirement options (I'm just waking up), but the ingame effects would be nice.
Post by: generalpie on November 17, 2013, 01:13:33 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Gabeux on November 17, 2013, 02:36:33 am
Post by: sambojin on November 17, 2013, 02:49:21 am
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on November 17, 2013, 07:51:21 am
Not sure if it was me being unable to find it or a bug, but when I went into the 'used ships' shop, I couldn't exit it. It had, as option J, 'sell equipmentExit', which makes it seem that the 'sell equipment' and 'exit' options were accidentally bound to the same letter.
It's only for a certain shop type, but it happened to me as well..
Post by: magellan on November 17, 2013, 02:54:10 pm
So, I don't really know if this is a spoiler or not, but it could be, also if this has been addressed before, then my apologies, I tried CTRL+Fing some words that I thought would be in a post if one did answer this and I came up with nothingSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Can I have a savegame/error.log for this?
Post by: Gabeux on November 17, 2013, 04:01:59 pm
Well, the past three games have tried to screw me over. HUGE, long gas clouds between the stations. Meaning that the only way to get between them is to hope for a wormhole, and hope said wormhole doesn't eat you.
EDIT: Is there a way to call rovers towards you, and, if not, it'd be good to be able to. I dropped some rovers on a planet, and they won't return due to the planet constantly resurfacing.
EDIT2: you... cannot run from space battles?
I always imagined it as fleeing, as opposed to surrendering. This irritates me, because I'm going to lose so many ships to pirates coming out of nowhere.
EDIT3: found a planet with only two lifeforms, both of which are predators.
EDIT4: Another couple of bugs.
Found a ship in a gas cloud. If I try to dock, the game crashes. And when I was in a gas cloud, I got damaged. I received -2 damage, resulting in me leaving with more HP than when I went in.
EDIT5: I dislike the game showing you where a rover's been if you leave one on the planet. I left one on a planet without realising, and went back there a few thousand turns later...
It's still going.
Also, I can't dock with ANY ships, now.
Rovers: I tried used them but they were bugged at the time and they "broke" the planets which I left them, but I think that's fixed now, not sure..
Fleeing from battles: I think when you are in the battle, I read that if you get to the edge of the map and press something, you can flee. But I never tried it, and usually when I asked for surrender (I believe it asks to the enemy if he wants to surrender), pirates usually accept.
Otherwise, you can flee when the pirates contact you to drop your cargo, you have some options there IIRC..like flee, negotiate, attack, etc.
About the gas cloud: maybe you could send magellan you savefile, that seems a bug that could be addressed.
I also noticed that if you try to tow a stranded ship in a gas cloud, you can't leave the gas cloud WITH the towed ship. It "drops" the ship inside the gas cloud, and it stays there forever.
Post by: Gabeux on November 17, 2013, 04:14:37 pm
Post by: sambojin on November 17, 2013, 10:04:08 pm
Ingame, this means that if you're fast and agile you can just retreat (possibly with another battle shortly afterwards, but try and retreat better next time), or if you're slower you can fight. You can just pick either top or bottom of the map as a full-speed-ahead-to-the-other-side-of-the-map-captain! option and blow right past them, even if you're slower, just hope you pick correctly and then retreat as you hit the other side of the battle area. I'm not even sure if ship-combat-maps have edges now, but the further you are from your enemy and the faster you are, the better. Yes, all those ship upgrades are worth every credit.
Meh. I'm going to have to do those hours of gameplay I said I would. Too much information from too many versions ago. I could just say "Get two disintergrators/disruptors (whatever) and you'll be fine", but ship combat had an over-haul.
Actually, that's why I like ProspectorRL. It's complicated, it's a voyage of discovery, but it's not terribly well wiki'd. So I probably know a lot more than some, but heaps less than other players, but I'm not really sure if my experiences are atypical or not. I could look at the source code, but meh. I'll "finish" the game one day. Today maybe :)
Post by: sambojin on November 17, 2013, 10:25:49 pm
Double post, but since there seems to be plenty of interest in ProspectorRL (one of my favourite roguelikes), I figured that I'd chuck the link up again. Open source, BASIC programming, really cool and divergant starts (but you will end up with a mini-army and a trading/mining empire if you're doing well), and I've never really seen anyone say "I've won the game". Saves just before you won if you have, or it didn't happen.
For an easy start, grab a troop transport and start getting whatever minerals/exploration payments you can. Hire heaps of red-shirts, kill some red-shirts, kill some pirates, kill some xenos. Avoid ship combat. Try it, you'll have fun.
Post by: Gabeux on November 17, 2013, 10:29:48 pm
Post by: Hanzoku on November 18, 2013, 02:34:49 am
Post by: Caz on November 18, 2013, 07:39:37 am
Is it just me or is having a post/thread/username on Bay12 requred for indie devs, particularly roguelike devs?
Bay12 is the mothership.
And new prospector version! /me downloads
Post by: mainiac on November 18, 2013, 08:07:10 am
and I've never really seen anyone say "I've won the game". Saves just before you won if you have, or it didn't happen.
Well I've gotten enough money to buy an earthlike planet. In the older version you just needed to find materials on bare planets until you save enough to buy stocks. Then you buy stocks and fly around carrying cargo so the stock has time to change value. Stocks were super duper lucrative so I probably could have bought earth with the amount I was earning.
The new version doesn't have the stock market working so you need to prospect longer. But once you get personal forcefields or reactive armor for every member of your combat team nothing can kill you except for bobby traps and special planets. So you watch out for those and prospect like crazy. I've only gotten to around 500k before a glitch destroyed my game but it seems perfectly viable and I never lost a redshirt (<3 my redshirts.)
Finding the bastard alien menace however is a whole other matter...
Post by: generalpie on November 18, 2013, 09:34:47 am
Can I have a savegame/error.log for this?
Sorry, ive long since deleted the save.
Post by: Neonivek on November 18, 2013, 12:01:02 pm
Post by: sambojin on November 20, 2013, 06:56:44 am
Having artifacts be found a little later isn't a huge problem. You'll still get them if you're willing to explore a heap of planets (and have the kit to do so), but they won't be the super-free-boosts that they once were. You used to start getting the best weapons, armour and items while you were still trying to equip your away-team, so now they're ultimate upgrades rather than "you don't need to buy as much equipment because you found the best stuff for free early on in the game" upgrades.
Post by: IBOL17 on December 09, 2013, 04:24:12 pm
Bob from Approaching Infinity (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/181428952/approaching-infinity-a-space-adventure-roguelike/posts).
You guys mentioned my game here long before I did. I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but I've got a lot of fans who also love prospector. Hundreds of people have already pledged to Approaching Infinity. It's a great game. Please take a look, and grab some of the awesome rewards while you still can! Name a planet, an officer, a ship, a quest item or a monster. Design a unique item, a letter in an alien alphabet, a playable ship class, or an entire alien race!
It's the Final 48 Hours! (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/181428952/approaching-infinity-a-space-adventure-roguelike/posts)
And if you're still upset, please refer to my earlier post. I talked to Matthias before I started this. I also talked about prospector on my comments page, and in my interview! ;)
Post by: guessingo on December 09, 2013, 10:27:59 pm
moirale drops when i fight even though its a good way to train. what is the best way to manage this?
Post by: niltrias on December 09, 2013, 10:34:29 pm
Post by: LordSlowpoke on February 10, 2014, 03:23:40 pm
how do you raise morale? i have tried raising wages, paying musicians in space stations. randomly finding planets without mobs.
moirale drops when i fight even though its a good way to train. what is the best way to manage this?
hey guys i'm necroing a thread
in r180 i managed to get half my 100 person (ascs ho) awayteam murderized by spoilerbots so morale was so far down it looped back to :D or something
ended up spamming entertainer performances (you get that option when you chat up an entertainer in a bar) for something 1.8k creds worth and the shouting stopped and they loved me again yay
also
Spoiler: how to spell "nope" in endgame (click to show/hide)
seriously though go get that shit RIGHT NOW (http://www.prospector.at/forum/dm_eds/showcat.php?id=1) i need people to figure out the mysteries of the universe i just bruteforce my way though them
(http://i.imgur.com/dHGxT6r.png)
i shit you not i just bruteforce my way through everything
used to have ~500 firearms, but everyone died and it's greens again ror
Post by: mosshadow on March 09, 2014, 09:09:58 pm
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on March 09, 2014, 09:41:12 pm
Post by: mosshadow on March 10, 2014, 03:00:35 pm
Post by: mainiac on March 10, 2014, 03:05:31 pm
If you just last long enough, you'll start finding tons of alien artifacts and weapons that will make you well nigh destructible. Then you just need to avoid getting killed by space stuff or special planets.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on March 10, 2014, 03:45:44 pm
Though I noticed in the new version natural creatures very rarely attack my crew, is that true for anyone else?
Post by: ollobrains on March 10, 2014, 05:32:16 pm
Post by: sambojin on March 10, 2014, 06:54:07 pm
Post by: ollobrains on March 11, 2014, 06:13:42 pm
Well, you could help them. It's semi-open-source and written in BASIC, so there's no real excuse for complaining about updates. Just have a chat with the current code repository holders and start beavering away.
needs to be made fully open source before id even consider but im sure there are those that would help if it was opened up
Post by: sambojin on March 11, 2014, 06:59:45 pm
Post by: Orb on March 20, 2014, 10:10:23 am
Post by: BigD145 on March 20, 2014, 10:10:52 am
I think you just move "off" the map to attempt to escape.
Yes. Just run away.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on March 20, 2014, 02:24:46 pm
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on March 20, 2014, 03:00:51 pm
Post by: Mongol13524 on March 26, 2014, 11:21:54 pm
Post by: getter77 on April 23, 2014, 06:51:12 am
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Hi all!
Yes! This really happened. Prospector got an update to r181.
This is what happens.
R181
Savegames not compatible!
+ Balancing: Beefed up ancient alien ships, Bladebots are now slightly slower
+ Balancing: Character build points are worth more in money, talents cost 2 points instead of one
+ Balancing: Stockmarket unbroken
+ Balancing: New formula for weapons prices (Ship, ranged and closecombat)
+ more B5 ship names
+ New system to place pirate bases (It makes sense now)
+ UI: If you know where shops are on a planet/map and there are more than 3, you get a menu, as in the big spacestations.
+ People at the casino now might teach talents
+ Bug fix: Breeding monsters now breed their own sort
+ Rovers fixed
+ Oxygen inconsistency found and fixed. Higher grade armor now also has more oxygen storage
+ new "rooms" for underground caves
+ new starting option: junk ship
+ slightly updated manual
+ some more minor bugfixes
Linux and windows versions are at the usual place. Linux sound version will come as soon as i remember how to compile that one :)
Have fun!
Post by: dehimos on April 23, 2014, 08:45:38 am
Post by: Kaje on April 28, 2014, 12:05:09 pm
Post by: wobbly on May 05, 2014, 11:40:39 am
R184
+ Spacesuits get holes if you take damage. Corrosion can cause holes too. These holes leak oxygen.
+ Probes fixed
+ Rovers fixed (again)
+ Error handling by sopissd
+ polish: Item stats (Needs more work, but the infrastructure is there now)
+ polish: no more +0 or +-5 when showing skillrolls
http://www.prospector.at/forum/dm_eds/dmedsdl.php
Post by: Micro102 on July 15, 2014, 11:10:03 pm
Also, can lava destroy your space ship? Because some lava started sprouting up on a planet and I couldn't find my ship.
Also also, Is there a way to leave your pilot on the ship and have in not use a space suit in exchange for a security guy?
Post by: getter77 on July 16, 2014, 08:02:10 am
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Hello again. A new version is availiable.
R187
+ Changed file layout
R186
+ More types of shops possible in small space stations
+ Ordering Items in shops works now
+ Damage for teams with mixed spacesuit-status works now
+ Fixed a bug causing you to attack creatures after putting them in cages
+ Fixed exit crash
+ Spacecombat sound crash & heal disease crash fixed
+ lamps now do something and space is darker
+ some more polishing
Have fun!
In other news I am at the start of a 2 week vacation, and hope to get a lot of work done on prospector, and be a bit more active on the forum again.
R185
+ New Item: Spacesuit repair kit (Usable by hitting either the (h)eal or (i)nspect key)
+ Removed another trigger for planetside menu that wasn't supposed to be there.
+ used ships and custom ships work now
+ No more looping maps that shouldn't loop
+ polish: Switched no spacsuit question so you now have to confirm if you want to land without spacesuits.
+ Some crash bugs fixed (Firing grenades towards map border, spacecombat sound version)
Post by: puke on July 16, 2014, 12:46:36 pm
Started playing this again, lots of changes. Noticed that I can't buy extra equipment at the starting space station. Where can I buy some? Also, since there are 3 main space stations does that mean that the starting one isn't one of the main ones (because I'm assuming that equipment can be bought at the other space stations)?
Also, can lava destroy your space ship? Because some lava started sprouting up on a planet and I couldn't find my ship.
Also also, Is there a way to leave your pilot on the ship and have in not use a space suit in exchange for a security guy?
Have not looked at the latest release, but I believe this might be true:
you do start at a minor station. I thought there were some merchants there, but maybe not equipment? You can get equipment at the 3 major stations and some special planets.
I dont think that you can land in lava, so I would assume that it can destroy you. If your planet starts falling apart, it is time to get off. You can always (if it is alive and in range) call your ship and order it to land somewhere else or to come to you.
I think you can choose who comes, but I dont remember clearly.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on July 16, 2014, 12:56:17 pm
regular range is more or less visual
Post by: Micro102 on July 18, 2014, 12:56:21 am
How do I repair my ship?
Post by: LordSlowpoke on July 18, 2014, 03:09:52 am
planetside shipyards should be able to fix something like that at least, i'd be fine with space stations going vOv
Post by: Micro102 on July 18, 2014, 05:24:07 am
Post by: LordSlowpoke on July 18, 2014, 05:35:43 am
Post by: Reverie on July 18, 2014, 05:40:10 am
Post by: Niveras on July 19, 2014, 02:46:36 pm
The reason I was trying to buy one is because, apparently, your visibility can actually hit 0? I don't really understand how visibility works. I presume lights extend it, but I don't know how the sensornet aids it (I still had 0 with a sensornet but no light), or binoculars.
Additionally, the completely random permanent damage that your ship takes is too frequent. Often times it is even things like "an explosion in the cargo bay!" (cargo bay empty...), "direct hit to the bridge!" (while not even fighting); basically, things that make 0 sense while just traveling. It's probably not at all helpful to suggest it here, but if permanent damage is going to stay I suggest that it only result from combat. I'd also prefer to see the random "traveling" damage removed entirely (if you want to make space travel more expensive, just increase fuel cost).
Post by: Retropunch on July 19, 2014, 03:30:32 pm
Additionally, the completely random permanent damage that your ship takes is too frequent. Often times it is even things like "an explosion in the cargo bay!" (cargo bay empty...), "direct hit to the bridge!" (while not even fighting); basically, things that make 0 sense while just traveling. It's probably not at all helpful to suggest it here, but if permanent damage is going to stay I suggest that it only result from combat. I'd also prefer to see the random "traveling" damage removed entirely (if you want to make space travel more expensive, just increase fuel cost).
I completely agree, although I think just drastically toning down the frequency of damage (asteroid hits and whatever) would be better, as I feel some (smallish) random damage is good to keep you on your toes.
However, I really don't like the permanent damage idea. However I do like the idea of 'critical damage' which costs more to repair and can only be repaired at certain places. I can't remember what other game did it, but armor had a 'superficial durability' number and then a 'base durability' number, most damage affected superficial durability as well as a little bit of base durability until superficial was depleted, and then base took all the damage. If base was completely depleted the item was destroyed. Superficial was cheap to restore, base was not.
I really enjoyed this mechanic, as it added a few more choices as there was some armor with really awesome base durability but low superficial, and vice versa.
Post by: BigD145 on July 19, 2014, 08:50:46 pm
Post by: getter77 on July 21, 2014, 04:42:51 pm
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So, here we are, at the end of my vacation.
Didn't get as much done as I would have hoped, But some things happened none the less. Enjoy
R189
+ Ship inspections now may fix structural damage
+ Monsters on high grav worlds have more hps and are slower.
+ Mining stations now have mines again
+ No more unlimited supplies in shops
+ Space is still as dark, but suns are a bit brighter
+ Slight changes in retiring crewmembers
+ Added a list of star trek shipnames with 268 names (and found another B5 name: Ares)
+ minor bugs and continued polishing
+ Savegame versioning
R188
+ Refracturing
Post by: sambojin on March 20, 2015, 10:35:42 am
R197 seems to work fine. It has more stuff, less bugs, and things like that.
Has anyone had much of a go at ship designing? I have a tendency to start with a troop transport (vets and room for more officers/crew from the word go), but it's not exactly hard to design a better one.
Hull 3 (I know it's really low, but you've gotta save costs somewhere)
Shields 1 (more cost saving)
Sensors 4 (sensors are hugely important. Saves time, saves fuel, gives science officers experience)
Engines 3 (it isn't a combat ship, run away!)
Weapons 1 (for other modules, crew or fuel pod. Even good weapons fit in one slot)
Crew 15
Fuel 80 (it's a throw-up between 85 fuel/sensors 3 and 80 fuel/sensors 4. Both save wages, one from the beginning, one all game. I went with sensors 4. Sometimes you find awesome stuff you won't be able to use otherwise, on ships, planets or in stores).
Plenty of fuel, plenty of crew. If you come across any good engines or sensors, at least you get to keep them without needing a new ship. For 3500 credits it lets you save up for tier 3 stuff, entirely skipping tier 2 if necessary. Although, see below, so you don't waste credits. Hull points are a hassle, but the difference between 3 and 5 still means constant repairs either way. You can upgrade to diamond armour (or the next one down) pretty damn cheaply on a tier 1 ship, then watch your HP and repair costs skyrocket, but at least you'll have the HP even with this design. Use your weapon if you find a good one for on-planet bombardment, but it mostly lets you transition to a tier 1.5 drop ship with a crew pod (25 members) later on, or dump on a fuel pod if you get a duff sector or wages screw you. Once you've got some cash, start upgrading that away-team as much as you can.
It's hard to design a ship that is specifically "better" than the tier 2 ships are by default, point-for-point. Kind of. You can make the above with more crew and a few extra hull points and have it more flexible and actually worth the cash. It might be better to skip the whole tier and either just use your transport until you've saved for tier 3, or make the below, which is a definitive upgrade to the starting TT. Kind of.
But here's my best attempt at a reasonably purchasable ship:
Hi-Tech Drop Ship.
Hull: 5
Shield: 1
Engine: 3
Sensors: 4
Crew: 20 (upgradable with crew pods)
Weapons: 3 (you sort of can first-strike with it, but the weapon turrets are actually for crew and fuel pods).
Fuel: 90
Price: 5000
It's better than a drop-ship (honestly, sensors and engines ARE that important) and can hold plenty of weapon modules or pods as you want them. Worth the 5000 credits, where it's hard to say if a drop ship or my upgraded troop transport would be worth buying at all. This one is.
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What are people's thoughts on the traits system? I tend to sell down some initial credits until I can pick 4-5 traits, then pick Aim (everyone is now a sniper) and Haggle (an absolute fortune gets saved in the long run). Maybe a couple of extra space suits for your officers if you want. I get another science officer straight away so scans work better as well as bio pickups, then whatever you want with leftover credits (more officers and one squad leader usually). Rummage through the starting locker, and remember to manually assign space suits to your science guys first.
Post by: puke on March 20, 2015, 11:21:27 am
I tried ship designing a few versions back, but the ships you can build are not as good as the high end stock ships. At least, it seemed that way to me at the time. A Heavy Explorer (or whatever it was) seemed to have more capabilities than anything I could design on my own.
Might have changed since then, or I might have been doing something wrong.
Post by: sambojin on March 20, 2015, 12:12:25 pm
There's also a few "Have it now, expensive, or have it later, still expensive" trade-offs.
It costs more to add 5 extra crew bunks than it does to add another weapon turret to a custom ship. But an extra weapon turret can hold a weapon or a crew pod, as well as some other things. Crew pods hold ten extra crew. But will you be able to buy a crew pod? They're not too cheap anyway. Will you find or buy a decent weapon? A weapon turret is a potential, whereas a basic stat works straight away.
Fuel seems to cost more than a fuel pod would on a weapons turret as well. Maybe. It was close. But I can customize a weapon turret, fuel just does fuel things.
Hull points are expensive, but it's cheap to upgrade armour, even all the way to diamond. Then it's very expensive to repair that armour afterwards.
It just depends on what you want to fit into the constraints. You'll pay either way, but is it now or later? When you've got a 5000 credit limit for a tier 2 design, it's better to pay later, even if it costs more in the long run.
Sensor, shield and engine slots mean nothing until you actually buy the damn things. But I'm always finding lvl 3 sensors and engines early-on, then having to put a comment on the map on them so I can come back to them later. Way later. After I've saved up. After I've got a better ship. After I've remembered not to blow all my cash on my away-crew for the umpteenth time. Thus the design I've made.
The ship components themselves aren't actually all that pricey in a store compared to the crap your away-team totes around. But having slots to put it on when you find it or when it's for sale, while making sure your away team still has its gold-plated horde of random gubbins? That's hard. Thus the design.
Post by: puke on March 21, 2015, 12:14:45 pm
Also, you can buy something with speed and sensors so that you can make a good income on scans, and maybe locate a nice derelict. I found a destroyer, and a heavy scout just floating in space. Went with the heavy scout and then could start doing things that would abuse the hull.
and man, never use the expensive armor. so hard to repair!
Post by: Girlinhat on March 21, 2015, 04:04:21 pm
Post by: Neonivek on March 21, 2015, 04:06:04 pm
But that is more of an exploit.
Post by: BigD145 on March 21, 2015, 07:04:49 pm
So I started playing experimentally, but... have no idea what to do, how to make money, or how to do anything. What... what do?
Explore everything! Die often! What else would you be doing? Other than printing out the keybindings and ship radio commands....
Post by: Girlinhat on March 21, 2015, 07:43:53 pm
Post by: BigD145 on March 21, 2015, 08:09:12 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 21, 2015, 08:22:27 pm
Post by: gimlet on March 21, 2015, 08:26:32 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 21, 2015, 08:27:02 pm
Post by: BigD145 on March 21, 2015, 09:39:15 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 21, 2015, 09:44:20 pm
Post by: BigD145 on March 21, 2015, 09:49:32 pm
Apparently not every starting station has one.
The small stations are not nearly as good as the regular ones.
Post by: Girlinhat on March 21, 2015, 10:56:22 pm
Okay but seriously, I landed somewhere and first step, it rains sulfuric acid and my gunner dies. I go to dock, and my science retires. Hiring another is 45 wage per mission, despite my last science being 10 wage. So there's my crew just faffing away and my money draining.
Post by: puke on March 22, 2015, 01:35:54 am
Be cautious about atmosphere type before you land. Be wary of exotic or toxic unless you have armor. Have extra space suits, and visit your ship often to repair them.
(moving to the ship refills air, fuel, patches suits)
"i" nspect things - ground tiles, dead aliens - for more science values. attempt communication with any non-hostile creatures.
By a little stock when you can, and favor selling your discoveries to the company you are invested in.
If you want, you can turn off autoselling and micromanage whivh corp you sell what to. Geodata is more valued at the exploration corp, minerals more valued by heavy industries. I think another is medical that pays for lifeforms?
Live captures can profit you, have cages or stasis fields, and anesthetics to offer animals.
use ranged weapons to fire on things before they close to melee.
radio for ships guns to fire on things you can't take.
Post by: Girlinhat on March 22, 2015, 02:07:46 am
Post by: puke on March 22, 2015, 03:03:56 am
I actually do go for the exotic atmosphere early in the game, I just keep the ship nearby. Walk 10-20 squares, and then radio for it to land 5 squares in front of you. always keep the ship near, and fall back to it for healing and repairs. If you cant fight things, don't be afraid to make generous use of the ships guns. if it starts raining acid, get back to the ship. even if you dont take injuries, most equipment is not acid proof and you could have things damaged.
in the early-early game, you can make money just from performing scans. Repeatedly scan planets from orbit until you have most of a map, and then move on. Keep a small crew, all you really need is a scientist, but it helps to have a pilot also as he may gain some experience from navigating asteroid fields or whatever.
There is actually a detailed price history thing in the trading screen, but I think that is only for the local station. Honestly, I think commodity shipping is a waste of time. I love me some trade and economic games, but you'll be better off burning that fuel for exploration and such.
Sometimes company offices will give you exploration missions (visit these waypoints) or escort jobs. You can always offer to escort merchant convoys you find in space (radio them). You can sell fuel to stranded ships sometimes, you might be able to extort them for 50-80 credits per fuel unit depending on your persuasion.
If you find some aliens you can talk to, try trading with them. Have some cheap crap on hand that you can exchange for their primitive art items, and you can make a small fortune on some of that stuff.
Post by: Girlinhat on March 22, 2015, 06:25:48 pm
Post by: sambojin on March 23, 2015, 02:18:34 am
Up your sensors level ASAP. The scout might be a better ship at the start than the troop transport just due to it's possible sensor rating. Then make a custom Hi-Tech Drop Ship like the one above for your tier 2 ship.
Don't fight anything at first. Ever. Run away.
Don't bother with trading. This is a resource collection game. And exploration. You can carry 1 gazillion resources and half a galaxy's maps, but only a few tonnes of cargo. Go with the former.
Press "i" on plants and trees. You sometimes get a few bio resources. Think of it as petrol money. It's not much, but every bit helps. It trains your science officers as well, which gives better scans, which means less faffing about.
Smith Heavy Industries tends to pay more for resources, and you earn most of your money early on by trading resources (and scans). So if given the option, trade to them. The bonuses get pretty huge later on.
If you don't have the money for a tier 2 ship, but want more crew, ditch the crappy ship weapon and put a crew pod in its place. It's about 1000 credits. You won't be fighting in space for a while (tier 3+ ship), and it's better to run than fight until you have a decent sized crew with plenty of weapons and armour anyway.
Science officers are great. Get two of them. They do semi-stack. Better scans, more bio data, and the more they level, the better it is. Get 3-4 of them later when you have cash, to cover retirements.
Medical officers are great too. They semi-stack with each other and with medics. Get two at the start. If you've got a troop transport, even fire the vets and fill whatever room leftover with medics. Regen is your friend. Get more later, and plenty of medics.
Armour is incredibly important. Get lots, even if it's crap at the start. More cheap suits means more crew can come along. Crew are like ablative armour at the start. With cheap armour. Everyone is essentially a redshirt guest star other than you, your science officer and your medical officer. Think Kirk, Spock, McCoy. Everyone else is just window dressing. Even Scotty can go fuck himself.
My optimum load out at the start with the troop transport/scout, after some basic resource collecting and scans (the star you start near is usually easy-mode, so grab everything you can from it) is: Captain, Pilot, 2x Science, 2x Medical, Gunner, 3x Medic. Chuck in a Squad Leader and some Vets or Snipers if you have a transport and some weapons and spare money. But science and regen is your first priority.
Redshirts are never any good. If you're going to pay someone, make sure they're good at something. You're wasting crew, money and experience otherwise. Get professionals, not mooks.
When you've got a small crew, 2-3 hover platforms and a mining drill are worth their weight in gold. Opens up plenty of planets and resources to you. No more lava/water/mountain problems. Costs a bit, but earns you that money back very quickly. Some of these planets are dangerous for other reasons though.
Get a set of binoculars and/or a sensor kit. Cheap as and increases your vision range. Get a headlamp and a ground penetrating radar as well. Planets are now about 3-4 times faster to explore and find resources on. Even just binoculars speed up everything remarkably.
An (Improved) AT landing gear is worth the cash in saved repair costs and wages easily.
If you get some good armour and a decent medical team, you can grind/train them by walking through geysers. Eventually they'll get so good that they're almost insta-heal.
That's just off the top of my head. The game is a little slow at first, you have to play as a coward, but it ramps up pretty quickly. Bonuses get bigger, you can buy some weapons and armour, then you've all of a sudden got a 70 man army toting plasma rifles, laughing at lightning squid swarms as you genocide them. Don't fuck with those squid until then though. Or the robots.
Post by: puke on March 23, 2015, 04:04:18 am
Some things:
lamps, sensors, ground penetrating radars, binoculars, etc: you only need one. I dont know why it lets you buy multiple, maybe if the first is lost to acid rain? You might think: everyone needs a headlamp. They don't.
Jetpacks and grav platforms: useless unless you have enough for everyone. Dont buy them until you can buy enough for everyone, or reduce the number of people in the away party.
Things like drills, I'm less certain on. My ability to tunnel through mountains seems to be improved by having multiple drills, or maybe it is just a factor of having more firepower? It's hard to be sure.
The advice about not fighting is good, but you can still fight dirty. use the radio to keep your ship close. use the ships guns for everything. Dont call fire too close to your own position, and bigger guns have bigger area of effect. take some test shots before using them for reals.
Post by: Girlinhat on March 23, 2015, 04:51:41 am
Post by: puke on March 23, 2015, 05:16:03 am
There is some sort of subplot with the robots and somehow being able to thwart them, but I've never been able to do this. Eventually you can get corporate missions to scout robotic factory worlds, this is hard stuff. I think the major victory in the game is if you can achieve this, but I've never gotten that far.
You used to be able to duel a famous pirate captain, but I've not been able to do this in a few versions and I suspect it is broken.
If you dont get multiple corps on the major stations, this is not a huge deal. One is pretty much as good as another, the differences are minor. Sometimes you can get offices for a different corp on the smaller "truck stop" stations, but I dont believe that they show up on the stock market unless they are on one of the 3 major stations.
I usually get a couple thousand per trip in the early game. This is between bio-data from 'i'inspecting things, geo data from scanning and mapping planets, and whatever resources I turn in. For me I feel like the big money is in the biodata and inspections. You can inspect each individual dead alien, not just one of each type. And inspecting terrain can be valuable as well. Some planets are more interesting than others, usually lush biodiverse worlds give better terrain value than dead vacuum worlds, though sometimes you can find interesting rocks when inspecting barren tiles.
Post by: Girlinhat on March 23, 2015, 06:04:31 am
Again, it feels like I'm missing something. Like, I'm playing an MMO and killing mobs for hours, and someone says "oh yeah, quests give like 1,000x the rewards of killing mobs" and I realize I've been doing it wrong. Scanning planets and finding resources feels like fighting mobs, it takes a long time, I take a lot of damage, and it doesn't even pay out. Surely there's some trick or some style that I'm just not getting.
Post by: mainiac on March 23, 2015, 06:15:37 am
Exploring is a good source of wealth it's just pretty erratic in results. You want to explore to get yourself off your feet. Once you save up enough money to properly equip your core crew you will be a lot safer. Once you save up a ton of money and start buying/finding top level equipment you can shrug off robot attacks.
Post by: Neonivek on March 23, 2015, 06:16:43 am
Since as I said the game actively punishes you for exploring too early...
But another thing that helps are mining bots.
Post by: puke on March 23, 2015, 06:41:35 am
The first thing I do, is fire any command staff with skills less than 3, and then hire new ones at the first station. You can keep turning down applicants until you find ones with skills at 3, and then take them on staff.
I also keep pilots and gunners on the ship, take them off of away teams by hitting "A" to manage the away team while you are at your ship. That way they dont die horribly.
I've never had a ships gun explode. Ouch!
You can spam communication attempts with any creature that you can communicate with. If it keeps asking for food, you're wasting your time. But if it is chatty, you can keep talking until you get it to trade local currency or art items or whatever. I think this trains your scientist, but maybe only the first time he breaks through with each creature. It definitely give some funds, some of those art items are worh over 1K each (many only in the 100's though).
Where do I make money? hmm.. I ration my fuel by only landing on places that look promissing (two or more items detected, or breathable with biospheres) and explore fairly thoroughly. I can usually get 2-4 landings per trip out, depending.
I dont refuel in gas giants unless my pilot is at 4, or I really need the gas. It's a hard trick balancing hull repair costs against fuel prices, but if you have a good pilot (or some drones) you can always try selling fuel back to a station? I have not tried this, but it is conceivable that gas giant mining might pay off. Seems more grindey than exploring, though.
If you want to jump straight to mid-late game activities, fire up Cheat Engine and give yourself more money. You will still have some challenges and risks. you will still need to train up your crew and find better items than you can buy at stations, but you can at least afford a nice ship and some good equipment out of the gate.
Post by: puke on March 23, 2015, 08:55:58 am
Made one landing on a green looking world with a few resources in sight, spammed some conversations with aliens and got some of their junk. tried trading with one, but ended up losing a combat knife and getting nothing in return. Should have offered him the play script I got from the guy in the bar.
Some hostile spiders came along, I was able to kite and kill a couple from range and examine their bodies after, but ended up losing two security guys when I tired messing with a third.
scanned maybe 20 other planets from orbit, without landing. Including some uniques. flew through some red/green gas clouds, but no dangerous nebula. went past a wormhole.
Smith Heavy Industries:
Map data on 4982.5 km2: 773
data on alien life forms: 210
resources: 1877
info on wormholes and anomalies: 660
So thats a little over 3k on a first flight with a light scout.
For the first time this game, I tried changing the map parameters. Default size is already as small as it goes, but you can increase the number of stars and wormholes. I kept the map small with a high number of stars, and there is a bit more density of stuff to work with. seems beneficial.
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 23, 2015, 01:33:22 pm
Post by: Fniff on March 23, 2015, 01:55:27 pm
Everything started off cool, working up enough money to buy spacesuits and get better guns by scanning dangerous planets (Read: anything with life on it) and stripping any rock of whatever it had provided my crew of lazy assholes didn't have to climb up a mountain like real men.
Then I realized, once I had enough guns, that I was able to make a much neater profit off planets if I gathered biodata by murdering the wildlife instead of just plant samples. I did this for a while and made a pretty penny (Got myself a country manor and life insurance) but then realized exactly what I was doing. I was wiping out (Depending on the scale of enemy encounters: I generally imagine them to be herds and packs rather then loners unless they are bosses) whole species across the sector just so I could dissect them and sell them to scientists. Oh well, such is life in
Then I had to get rid of a walking mushroom infestation on a small space station. Alright, cool! 50 creds per head sounded amazing, especially since my crew were so well-armed they could take on most things. Problem is, the infestation was concentrated in a single room which for some goddamn reason was also filled to the brim with civilians. Civvies, civvies everywhere. We waited for them to dissipate, but every time one of them left another one jammed himself in there. Why? The room had walking mushrooms in it. What were they getting out of this?
I got tired of waiting. So I aimed at the mushrooms and figured that my crewmembers were accurate enough to not cause what was meant to be pest eradication to turn into a horrible cross between friendly fire and a war crime.
Guess what happened next? Yep, every single civvie got killed, so we kept firing while they wailed at us. They weren't able to get past our combat armor at all, and no-one suffered as much as a bruise. I expected that no-one in the station would ever sell to me again. That is until I approached the vendor who told me to kill the mushrooms, who thanked me and handed me 150 credits, which would barely pay for our fuel. Despite my crew being covered in the blood and guts of his former customers like something out of Dead Alive, we received absolutely no punishment whatsoever for what was essentially a shooting spree. Well, apart from the occasional civilian attacking us whenever we visited that station again.
Then we arrived on a special planet. Usually I avoid these, but this one was... well, special. The lizards living there had divided themselves into two groups: redcaps and bluecaps. These two tribes warred with obviously human-made gauss guns. We tried convincing them not to war with each other for a bit, but then we decided to go with the more profitable route and follow them around while they killed each other then dissect the corpses of the fallen for precious biodata. Eventually we started claiming to both sides that we were against the other side, then randomly killed lizards from both sides then dissected them. Now acting like some horrible colonial power made up entirely of serial killers, we walked around the planet a bit until we found a cave. Inside was filled with human pirates, and it wasn't hard to draw a conclusion: they were running arms to the lizards, most likely both sides.
We killed them all, for great justice, then decided that the whole 'let's sell arms to warring lizard tribes' was a pretty excellent idea and sold our surplus of guns to the lizards who greatly appreciated it. We then left, since we had probably fucked this world up and doing much more was likely to cause God to throw a meteorite at us just to get some positive karma going. Which has happened to my crew, and we only had a few scratches!
We had murdered innocent wildlife (And probably a few sapients we didn't bother to talk to), killed human civilians for getting in our line of fire, and essentially pulled a Belgium on an entire planet. By now, you would expect the crew's mental states to be so bad it would make Spec Ops: The Line look like a tea party, but they were still constantly going 'You're the best captain ever!' and telling funny jokes while we did all of this.
Is the morale system a placeholder? Or are people willing to do anything if it means a few extra bucks in Prospector RL?
Post by: puke on March 23, 2015, 02:16:21 pm
If I remember from older versions, these are some of the big money makers on the special planets.
You can sell arms like you just did -- basically trafficking the cheapest weapons you can buy, and hauling them there and selling them at a tidy mark up. There also used to be a few colony worlds that would either pay a premium for some specific kind of good, or convert one cargo type to another.. For example, theres an industrial world that converts tech items to luxury items for you, and depending on the market you can clean up this way.
Some things I recently learned:
- robots seem even harder than they used to be
- multiple drills ARE in fact an advantage over single drills. If you want to knock down mountains, you need several laser drills.
- OMG ship guns do explode pretty often now when you call fire on a planet! ouch! I guess this curbs some abuse, but I really liked using them that way. Wish it was easily editable.
those mushroom infestations used to be really common, but I have not seen one lately. I used to find derelict ships over run with them, and the cool thing was that I couldnt always fight them off -- but I could blow a hole in the hull and the vacuum would do them in. That didn't work on the crystal things though... Those used to be monstrous. Again, have not seen so many in this version.
Post by: Gabeux on March 23, 2015, 03:10:23 pm
EVERY TIME.
And it's always better than the last time. 8)
But seriously, it's pretty awesome Magellan is still improving it.
Post by: NullForceOmega on March 23, 2015, 10:37:23 pm
Post by: puke on March 24, 2015, 02:25:42 am
Unless you just successfully cleared a robot world or something. I'd be pretty upset if I lost my progress doing that. and OMG, I cant use ships guns for that any more since they explode now!
Post by: puke on March 24, 2015, 05:29:18 am
I successfully charted a robot world for SHI, and now they can build robot crew for me! Its awesome! They come with jetpacks, and start at level 6! I wonder if they want wages? Probably not, but how can I tell without fireing everyone else?
Slightly less awesome though, they may be a little bit useless. They still take up bunk space on the ship, and I cant issue them weapons or armor. I *think* this may mean that they have no ranged attack ability, hard to be sure.
I guess I could take all my living crew off the away team and disarm my captain, and then try shooting something.
Post by: sambojin on March 24, 2015, 08:57:27 pm
Bye-bye weekend......
Girlinhat, Don't listen to anyone. You scan once, maybe twice, then you land on a planet. If it's not completely batshit-crazy-exotic-lava-death world, or swarming with life-forms, you explore it by foot. Letting some time tick over at the start isn't a horrible thing to do. Bonuses get bigger, stuff you can buy gets better, and stuff.
It's a slow game at the start. But when people say "explore", they mean get your arse down to the planet and grab every resource you can. Get a full map if you can be bothered. Investigate every damn plant if you want. But wander around collecting resources.
It's slow. But it works. The interesting stuff comes after about the first 20-30 planets explored.
Save your game. Make a backup. Whatever. It even let's you save scum. Then you won't have to do it all again.
The stuff I said to buy wasn't in any particular order. Buy Binoculars, a drill and 2 hover platforms. In that order. Plus a few extra space suits. It gets you heaps of resources. Then other stuff. Maybe........
It's not only a possible roguelike to beat, it's a likelihood to do so, as long as something doesn't bug out or you don't take a gazzilion years getting going. There's a few good endings. And an ultimate one (or is it two?)
Post by: Girlinhat on March 25, 2015, 01:18:19 am
Post by: Hanzoku on March 25, 2015, 02:21:10 am
Once you have a pilot with decent (3+) skill and a ship with a solid hull, you can also start exploring the edges of nebulas. You need to keep an eye on your hull and not venture in too deep, as nebula damage can rack up quickly if you're unlucky.
Finally, as sambojin says, save often. Especially before you try planets with unique descriptions - the special planets range from the safe and interesting to the murderous hellholes.
Post by: puke on March 25, 2015, 02:37:57 am
I'll have to run an empirical test, leave the rest of the team on the ship and try to squash a spider or something.
I had found a Heavy Explorer rusting on a planet a while back, and got it patched up and flying. Ship of my dreams, that is. Rather have it than a battleship, any day. Extra crew and better sensors and 50% more fuel are worth the trade against one more shield/engine/turret. Though maybe the crew capacity is a wash against the turret? Do they add 5 or 10? Cant remember.
I'd crewed up enough at that point that I was able to crack some of the very hostile worlds. Sitting on the pad on one of them was an ACSC, but I didn't think this was a big deal because rusted ones show up occasionally. Maybe a source of artifacts.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm not sure how you get those good endings, Sambojin. No mater what I do, I always seem to get the one where humanity gets a bloody nose and decides to hole up instead of expanding.
Post by: Graknorke on March 25, 2015, 09:00:56 pm
Post by: Gabeux on March 25, 2015, 09:04:00 pm
By the way, does anyone play without savescumming and enjoy it?
It's so easy to lose some officer you've been training for long and all the other bad things that can crush your progress.
Post by: Hanzoku on March 26, 2015, 02:24:29 am
Spoiler: Good End? (click to show/hide)
As an aside, all this talk of Prospector has gotten me playing again as well. I've had a good run of luck, finding an abandoned, intact heavy transport and taking it over, along with finding the Squid homeworld (with a couple Squidsuits I had found elsewhere in tow) which had a derelict alien ship, empty of enemies. No weapons, but I did pick up a few suits of adaptive body armor and some cryo units.
Post by: Neonivek on March 26, 2015, 02:39:05 am
Post by: sambojin on March 26, 2015, 04:54:04 am
There may be a crystal one, but I've never seen it.
Then there's the mega-rich, friends with people from another galaxy one that was mentioned. Need the alien scout ship and heaps of stuff I think.
Post by: Majestic7 on March 26, 2015, 05:19:15 am
Post by: puke on March 26, 2015, 05:32:10 am
Yeah, I was talking about the robot ending.
There may be a crystal one, but I've never seen it.
Then there's the mega-rich, friends with people from another galaxy one that was mentioned. Need the alien scout ship and heaps of stuff I think.
Retired with an alien scout ship and buckets of money, no effect. Even when you have the ACSC, it gives you the text that you have to sell your ship and book normal long-haul transport to get back to civilization.
I've never seen a negative ending that involved crystals, so I'm not sure what a positive one would be. The only ending I've seen is the one that closes with mention of encroaching robots and humanity holing up.
I will have to try to follow Hanzoku's tip and see if I can stick that ending.
Post by: sambojin on March 26, 2015, 08:03:36 pm
If you do that, nuke the robot forcefield generator, shoot Apollo with your ship weapons, do some other plant/squid/insect/pirate related things and manage to take out the robot factory computers, good+good ending?
Post by: gimlet on March 26, 2015, 08:08:31 pm
Post by: Hanzoku on March 27, 2015, 01:58:10 am
Post by: Neonivek on March 27, 2015, 02:37:59 am
Post by: puke on March 27, 2015, 02:58:02 am
Injuring creatures does also seem to have a paralyzing effect. I hadn't noticed because the movement of larger mobs of creatures often masks the behavior of any individual, but now that you mention it, it is definitely there.
Post by: Damiac on April 07, 2015, 01:15:56 pm
The invisible wall is where the planet wraps around, monsters can't pass it, and neither can your shots. If you do try to shoot past it, weird stuff seems to happen, mostly you shoot a big line of terrain behind you.
It's fun for a little while, but once you get the idea, it's just so easy it feels pointless. Autoexplore also needs some work, it's really slow, and stupid about enemies and hazardous terrain.
Post by: Kaje on April 10, 2016, 06:44:31 am
I was under the impression that they were no longer available on the standard site and there was a 'nightly' (almost...) type depository somewhere?
Post by: getter77 on April 10, 2016, 07:20:02 am
Post by: GrayFox on April 10, 2016, 10:21:04 am
Post by: puke on April 10, 2016, 12:46:44 pm
per the previous page of this thread, there are several pathing issues with the AI in the current version that make it pretty exploitable and easy.
Post by: GrayFox on April 10, 2016, 11:33:52 pm
it's a really great game. try the latest version.
per the previous page of this thread, there are several pathing issues with the AI in the current version that make it pretty exploitable and easy.
are ship vs ship battles still weird? I couldn't figure them out when I played. it never went well. :(
Post by: puke on April 11, 2016, 02:59:17 am
Post by: Damiac on April 11, 2016, 08:43:54 am
It was a fun little game for a while, but last time I played it, it needed a bit more work to move from time-waster to a real game in my opinion. And it doesn't sound like it's going to get that work.
Post by: puke on April 11, 2016, 09:10:11 am
Do enemies still just... stand there while you shoot them?
It was a fun little game for a while, but last time I played it, it needed a bit more work to move from time-waster to a real game in my opinion. And it doesn't sound like it's going to get that work.
That is a bug in the latest version, but it wasn't there in older versions. I'm not sure how far back you have to go for it to be fixed, but all the historical builds are still there for download I think.
Post by: Sebastian2203 on April 18, 2017, 01:44:19 pm
http://www.prospector.at/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22597
Post by: Mephansteras on April 18, 2017, 01:54:17 pm
Post by: BigD145 on April 18, 2017, 02:33:27 pm
Post by: cartmann on April 18, 2017, 03:03:22 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on April 18, 2017, 03:24:22 pm
Post by: Retropunch on April 18, 2017, 05:31:06 pm
Post by: Little on April 18, 2017, 09:22:21 pm
Post by: Aklyon on April 19, 2017, 05:42:16 am
Post by: sambojin on April 19, 2017, 12:38:38 pm
I wonder if the arena money cheese is still in?
Post by: magellan on April 23, 2017, 11:42:08 am
Yeah if someone could drop a line when it's out, been a damn long time since I last played this, I'm excited to see what's gone off since I last tried it out.
Consider that line dropped ;)
http://www.prospector.at/forum/dm_eds/dmedsdl.php
Post by: Sebastian2203 on April 23, 2017, 11:54:34 am
Good way to spend my Sunday night.
Post by: BigD145 on April 23, 2017, 12:37:21 pm
Post by: Gabeux on April 24, 2017, 05:17:01 am
Post by: Sebastian2203 on May 01, 2017, 12:38:48 pm
http://www.prospector.at/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22631
Post by: Ehndras on May 01, 2017, 04:25:40 pm
Post by: sambojin on May 01, 2017, 08:39:06 pm
Post by: Sebastian2203 on May 25, 2017, 01:13:06 pm
http://www.prospector.at/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22645
Post by: Sebastian2203 on June 05, 2017, 10:54:56 am
http://www.prospector.at/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22654
Post by: ollobrains on June 05, 2017, 06:21:28 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on June 05, 2017, 06:23:01 pm
Post by: Haspen on July 21, 2017, 03:05:43 pm
Post by: somebody on August 31, 2017, 02:02:41 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ollobrains on September 16, 2017, 10:52:39 pm
Post by: Sebastian2203 on December 13, 2017, 05:13:35 am
http://www.prospector.at/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22714
Post by: ShinQuickMan on December 13, 2017, 08:33:01 am
please let it be done soon
Post by: Sebastian2203 on December 26, 2017, 05:37:30 am
http://www.prospector.at/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22723
Post by: pilgrimboy on January 06, 2018, 08:10:28 am
Is there are a reason you haven't published the game on Steam?
Post by: wobbly on April 23, 2018, 02:54:04 am
Post by: Fungee McBungee on April 26, 2018, 06:27:04 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks for letting me know about this nice little roguelike!
Post by: ollobrains on November 15, 2018, 12:59:31 am
Post by: wobbly on November 15, 2018, 01:11:29 am
any new updates on prospector ?
www.prospector.at
It would appear not. Last was July
Post by: sambojin on November 15, 2018, 07:42:55 am
So I guess I got a bit addicted and "beat" the game:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks for letting me know about this nice little roguelike!
Very impressed. Well done!
Post by: Deon on December 27, 2018, 02:28:51 pm
I am in a weird love with this game. It has its own limits, but what it has, it does great. I keep returning to it every few months.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on December 27, 2018, 02:54:33 pm
Post by: bloop_bleep on December 27, 2018, 03:45:33 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on December 27, 2018, 04:03:47 pm
Post by: ollobrains on December 27, 2018, 06:07:49 pm
Post by: Retropunch on December 27, 2018, 08:01:06 pm
is the game open or closed source, if it is open sourced we could attempt to recruit more hands to move it forward
It's close source and sort-of-worked-on so I don't think the dev will be opening it up just yet.
That said, If you're actually interested (and more importantly capable - no one likes 'ideas' people) then definitely get in touch and see if you can help!!
Post by: Iduno on December 28, 2018, 10:52:42 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on December 28, 2018, 06:36:22 pm
Post by: ollobrains on December 29, 2018, 11:54:04 pm
is the game open or closed source, if it is open sourced we could attempt to recruit more hands to move it forward
It's close source and sort-of-worked-on so I don't think the dev will be opening it up just yet.
That said, If you're actually interested (and more importantly capable - no one likes 'ideas' people) then definitely get in touch and see if you can help!!
given the dev hasn't really been working heavily on it, I would have thought open sourcing it would have been a smart move, given the lack of income probably if it was to be sold. But that's just me
Post by: sambojin on December 30, 2018, 08:35:54 am
Probably under ProspectorRL or RLProspector. I'm actually inclined to think you didn't even look, because it's here:
https://storage.googleapis.com/google-code-archive-source/v2/code.google.com/rlprospector/source-archive.zip
2012 (0.2.4'ish) source code, but plenty of things worked back then. Or you could pretty please the hell out of Magellan, but don't be surprised if it's a polite "No", especially if you can't code.
Post by: bloop_bleep on December 30, 2018, 04:18:43 pm
That still, like, exists?
What is it coded in now?
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on December 30, 2018, 04:23:11 pm
Post by: AzyWng on January 01, 2019, 09:56:26 am
Post by: Iduno on January 02, 2019, 04:58:11 pm
I also once
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Retropunch on January 04, 2019, 03:51:48 pm
It was openish source a while back, all in BASIC too. You could probably find an old version of the source if you looked.
Probably under ProspectorRL or RLProspector. I'm actually inclined to think you didn't even look, because it's here:
https://storage.googleapis.com/google-code-archive-source/v2/code.google.com/rlprospector/source-archive.zip
2012 (0.2.4'ish) source code, but plenty of things worked back then. Or you could pretty please the hell out of Magellan, but don't be surprised if it's a polite "No", especially if you can't code.
I'm inclined to say that I knew all about that Sambojin, but didn't mention it as it's a) very old, and b) Magellan hasn't released the source of the current (or even vaugely current-ish) version which leads me to believe he might not want others to work on it atm.
The best way to go about this is to ask him directly, but as mentioned, if you can't code in the language it was written in there's probably not a great deal of point.
Post by: Parsely on January 04, 2019, 04:14:07 pm