Post by: flabort on August 23, 2014, 12:48:43 pm
I'd like the mood to remain calm.
The game begins when Wuba's BYOR or the current BM ends and there are 11 or more players signed up.
There are some basic rules:
- PMs are only to be directed to the mod, me, Flabort. Not to other players.
- Don't quote my PMs. You can quote stuff that anyone else could post, but not something only you can see. You can, however, paraphrase.
- I won't have hammers. I've started work again and can't be on 24/7 to track hammers.
- Day lasts 72 hours, night lasts 48. Weekend hours don't count. Remind me if I default to a different time-set.
- Extensions are: Each player has two one-shot extensions, but can't use two in one day. Limited to 3 players using their extensions in one day. Extensions are 24 additional hours in the day.
- There may be post restrictions. They will not interfere with your ability to play.
- I will not answer questions about your role in thread, unless it has already been revealed by me. I may be able to answer some questions, but only generic ones.
- Vote so that I can see it. That's in RED, and preferably in BOLD as well. I can also pick up Cyan pretty well if you need to get my attention, but that won't count as a vote; Votes are RED.
- Don't post at night, unless your ability lets you.
- When signing up, send me TWO role things. You aren't in the game until you've posted an "in" and sent me your roles. You may also send me more then two, in which case, two will be randomly selected and the others randomly distributed among all other players (making this Bring Everyone Else's Roles if you send me too many :P).
- Have fun, play to win. These are both mandatory. :P
- There is a new rule in play! Non-players can vote in PINK and their votes will be counted.
- There is a new rule in play! Members of the Deadchat can send messages to the scum chat using bold text, but they cannot read the scum chat!
- There is a new rule in play! Non-players may vote in LIMEGREEN to choose a certain player's action at night, from the choices of "Protect", "Investigate", or "Give new Power".
I am going to be blatantly stealing Webadct's cheat sheet for alignments/roles/action order (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140896.0). This is for familiarity purposes, as most Bay12 mafia players who have played a BYOR have used these guidelines.
Spoiler: Webadict on Roles (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Webadict on Action Order (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Webadict on Alignments (click to show/hide)
Players:
TolyK
TheDarkStar
TheWetSheep
Persus13
Tiruin
Mastahcheese
NotQuiteThere
Replacement list:
Salsacookies
THIS COULD
Posted to watch, not to play :( :
Silthuri?
Shakerag
Webadict
Cheeetar
Zombie Urist
I GUESS THIS CAN ALWAYS BE YOU TOO!
Post by: TolyK on August 23, 2014, 01:17:15 pm
Post by: flabort on August 23, 2014, 01:18:06 pm
Since it starts after Wuba's BYOR or BM, as said, I'm definitely IN it to WIN it.Need a PM with roles. Once I get that I can put you in. :)
Post by: TolyK on August 23, 2014, 01:34:23 pm
Have fun with 'em... >.>
Post by: 4maskwolf on August 23, 2014, 02:40:43 pm
Edit: 11. I'm stupid and can't read. Please ignore this.
Post by: flabort on August 23, 2014, 03:39:37 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on August 23, 2014, 03:51:12 pm
Edit: The PM is done.
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on August 23, 2014, 04:49:06 pm
Post by: flabort on August 23, 2014, 05:09:19 pm
In.Small issue with submission, see PM. Otherwise good.
Post by: Silthuri on August 23, 2014, 05:11:54 pm
Post by: GayArchaea on August 23, 2014, 08:56:48 pm
Post by: flabort on August 23, 2014, 09:12:08 pm
INConsidering you only registered minutes ago, this is your only post so far, and you haven't PMed me your roles, I'm going to guess this is a joke account or spam.
If it isn't, send me two things to turn into roles.
Post by: 4maskwolf on August 23, 2014, 09:21:44 pm
Hey now, cut him some slack. He may be exactly like what EPenguin was, or at least close to it. EPenguin's first post was in a mafia game too, if you remember.INConsidering you only registered minutes ago, this is your only post so far, and you haven't PMed me your roles, I'm going to guess this is a joke account or spam.
If it isn't, send me two things to turn into roles.
Post by: 4maskwolf on August 23, 2014, 09:25:08 pm
Two roles, rather.
Post by: flabort on August 23, 2014, 09:26:20 pm
I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt if he sends in some roles. If the game begins and he hasn't done anything like sending in roles or posting elsewhere, though, I'm going to assume it's a joke.Hey now, cut him some slack. He may be exactly like what EPenguin was, or at least close to it. EPenguin's first post was in a mafia game too, if you remember.INConsidering you only registered minutes ago, this is your only post so far, and you haven't PMed me your roles, I'm going to guess this is a joke account or spam.
If it isn't, send me two things to turn into roles.
And no, I don't remember, I'm afraid. Did I ever play a game with EPenguin? I don't recall meeting him.
Oh, and very well, in. Will send in a role in just a sec.Yay! Though I thought you were done with this :P
Two roles, rather.
Post by: 4maskwolf on August 23, 2014, 09:29:24 pm
He played in Jack's BYOR.I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt if he sends in some roles. If the game begins and he hasn't done anything like sending in roles or posting elsewhere, though, I'm going to assume it's a joke.Hey now, cut him some slack. He may be exactly like what EPenguin was, or at least close to it. EPenguin's first post was in a mafia game too, if you remember.INConsidering you only registered minutes ago, this is your only post so far, and you haven't PMed me your roles, I'm going to guess this is a joke account or spam.
If it isn't, send me two things to turn into roles.
And no, I don't remember, I'm afraid. Did I ever play a game with EPenguin? I don't recall meeting him.
Also, enjoy my roles :P
Edit: DERP! It was PTDFun who left partway through, EPenguin stayed till the end.
Edit 2: Speaking of which, I should probably send the man a pm one of these days.
Post by: flabort on August 23, 2014, 09:32:25 pm
Also, enjoy my roles :PI will. :) Enjoying them all so far.
Post by: GayArchaea on August 23, 2014, 09:46:50 pm
Normally, I would like to deceive people. Pretending to be a Joke account or spam is, however, a very harmful disguise. Who would want to be thought as another nuisance.INConsidering you only registered minutes ago, this is your only post so far, and you haven't PMed me your roles, I'm going to guess this is a joke account or spam.
If it isn't, send me two things to turn into roles.
Post by: flabort on August 23, 2014, 09:50:41 pm
Or a proxy, but less likely.
Still gotta PM me two roles for me to make.
Oh, may as well tell everyone before it comes up later, some powers affect roles as a whole. Collections of powers. But not all the powers one person has, because multiple roles. ;D
Post by: Varee on August 24, 2014, 12:54:35 am
Post by: Jack A T on August 24, 2014, 01:17:31 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on August 24, 2014, 01:55:14 pm
Yes, I am still using those.
Post by: flabort on August 24, 2014, 02:40:06 pm
I had some of them in a google doc, some of them on paper; I lost the paper, and it was necessary for interpreting the doc. I think.
*Opening of The Incredibles* I'd love to take your bet, but I can't.
GayArchaea: I'm still waiting for a role PM from you.
Jack, Roles received.
Post by: mastahcheese on August 24, 2014, 02:51:25 pm
Two questions, can I submit roles even if I'm not playing? And also, would "Charlie Sheen's wine cabinet" be a servicable role?
Post by: Jack A T on August 24, 2014, 02:55:25 pm
And also, would "Charlie Sheen's wine cabinet" be a servicable role?Certainly more serviceable than most of the roles I sent in.
Post by: flabort on August 24, 2014, 03:03:21 pm
Dang it!Eh, sure. Though you playing would be preferred. :)
Two questions, can I submit roles even if I'm not playing? And also, would "Charlie Sheen's wine cabinet" be a servicable role?
And sure, anything can be. A picture of a can of tomatoes would be a servicable role.
I can make those work, don't worry.And also, would "Charlie Sheen's wine cabinet" be a servicable role?Certainly more serviceable than most of the roles I sent in.
Probably.
Yeah, I can totally do it.
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on August 24, 2014, 03:06:27 pm
Post by: Persus13 on August 24, 2014, 03:07:48 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on August 24, 2014, 03:19:49 pm
So "The Role that gives its user the ability to win N1" would be an acceptable role?
"You are The Role that gives its user the ability to win N1.
1. (day) You can allow someone who is not you to use your role.
(night) You can win, but you must be allowed to do so."
Or better yet:
"You are The Role that gives its user the ability to win N1. If all of your enemies kill themselves off night one, you win in the night rather than in the day like everyone else. Lucky you!"
Post by: TolyK on August 24, 2014, 03:21:12 pm
Ninja'd: Or that, yeah.
Post by: Scripten on August 24, 2014, 03:23:49 pm
That's pretty similar.
Post by: flabort on August 24, 2014, 03:33:12 pm
Can you make my roles work, however?Yup. Very interesting roles. :)
So "The Role that gives its user the ability to win N1" would be an acceptable role?Yeah. You'd have the potential to win N1, but it would be fairly unlikely. Not how TDS thinks it might turn out, but I could definitely make that work (already have ideas).
Isn't there a role that only wins if the mafia stabs them in the night? Martyr, right?That's a wincon, not a role. But that or Assassin or certain other wincons would make the role more viable.
That's pretty similar.
Post by: TheWetSheep on August 24, 2014, 04:59:49 pm
Post by: GayArchaea on August 24, 2014, 09:33:10 pm
:'( whine whine whine :'(
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 24, 2014, 10:22:27 pm
Post by: flabort on August 24, 2014, 10:44:05 pm
I may have emailed Flabort, but I am not entirely sure if He received it. If he didn't there's only one thing left to do...Emailed?
:'( whine whine whine :'(
*quick checks that*
Nope. Nothing there. Don't think my Email is visible from Bay12 anyways.
You don't know how the Personal Messaging system on this forum works, eh?
Alright. Look near the top of the page. Click "Messages", then "New message". Then type "Flabort" into the recipient box, and your roles into the bigger box. Click the check box beneath, and then click "send". :) Don't worry, you'll get used to PMing soon.
Post by: flabort on August 24, 2014, 10:54:37 pm
If your role-list exceeds 42 roles, any more roles are dropped and the first 42 are the only ones used.
This event and the person who submitted that many roles will remain anonymous.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 24, 2014, 11:16:08 pm
* As I understand it, an assload is approximately equal to infinity when regarding nonphysical items.
Post by: flabort on August 24, 2014, 11:23:43 pm
Jesus. I don't think there's any way to keep the event anonymous: someone submitted an assload* of roles.OK, yes, that much is implied. But the person who did may remain anonymous if they wish.
* As I understand it, an assload is approximately equal to infinity when regarding nonphysical items.
Post by: Superblackcat on August 24, 2014, 11:40:17 pm
Post by: flabort on August 25, 2014, 12:21:14 am
Also, it turns out your email to me got sorted into an "Automated Forum Messages" folder that I always ignore; it's a second spam folder.
Also, you sent me wincons and powers, not role names.
Try again, please PM me instead of emailing me (I don't read my email), and please send two role-names instead of completed roles.
Post by: TheDarkStar on August 25, 2014, 08:54:13 am
Post by: mastahcheese on August 25, 2014, 01:20:53 pm
I was planning on doing that, but never got around to it.
I should, though...
42, you said?
Post by: Jack A T on August 25, 2014, 02:07:50 pm
Now all we need is 42 roles from Shakerag...
Post by: TheDarkStar on August 25, 2014, 02:41:13 pm
Post by: Persus13 on August 25, 2014, 05:54:07 pm
Post by: flabort on August 25, 2014, 06:32:57 pm
I got your roles in GayArchaea, I'll add you in now. Thanks.
Oh lord. Not everyone has to send in 42 roles :P
Now all we need is 42 roles from Shakerag...I don't know if I should say "Yes! Yes!" or "NOOOOooooo!"
I'm going to say go ahead and encourage him to submit several roles, but not the full 42. :P
Post by: TheDarkStar on August 25, 2014, 10:09:32 pm
Maybe you should limit the number of roles you can submit to just two next time, flabort.
Post by: flabort on August 25, 2014, 10:16:51 pm
Sadly, I accidentally submitted 44 roles, so two had to be ignored.Ayup.
Maybe you should limit the number of roles you can submit to just two next time, flabort.
Or maybe 10 will be saner, but still allow for ridiculous power plays.
Post by: Jack A T on August 25, 2014, 10:34:52 pm
Post by: flabort on August 25, 2014, 10:39:51 pm
Definitely less roles in any future games (10 does seem reasonable for later games), but this time, I want to see what the results of the masses of roles are.As do I.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 25, 2014, 10:47:07 pm
Post by: flabort on August 25, 2014, 11:07:02 pm
Can I preemptively request to not get any roles aside from the two I sent in?It would be a significant self nerf, but... OK.
Just means everyone else gets more roles and more powers.
Post by: TolyK on August 26, 2014, 02:10:08 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 26, 2014, 02:27:19 am
Post by: Toaster on August 26, 2014, 07:47:10 am
Definitely less roles in any future games (10 does seem reasonable for later games), but this time, I want to see what the results of the masses of roles are.As do I.
A balancing nightmare for the mod?
Post by: mastahcheese on August 26, 2014, 08:04:26 am
But mostly 1.
Post by: TheDarkStar on August 26, 2014, 08:08:24 am
I hope someone gets powers 1 and 6 that I sent in.
But mostly 1.
What, "The Role that Can Never Win"?
Post by: mastahcheese on August 26, 2014, 08:13:00 am
But if someone goes "What kind of sick joke is this?" when the game starts, then you might know.
But it could be usefull if used right.
I won't say anything else on the matter.
Post by: TolyK on August 26, 2014, 10:46:07 am
I hope I get it.
Post by: Jack A T on August 26, 2014, 10:50:18 am
But if someone goes "What kind of sick joke is this?" when the game starts, then you might know.I sent in a few roles like that.
Post by: Varee on August 26, 2014, 10:52:04 am
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on August 26, 2014, 10:55:07 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 26, 2014, 11:36:46 am
Post by: mastahcheese on August 26, 2014, 12:20:21 pm
Actually, he could probably run 3-4 more games like that with all these role submissions.
Post by: TheDarkStar on August 26, 2014, 01:34:22 pm
When this game is over, flabort needs to run another game using the roles that didn't get used, via random detribution.
Actually, he could probably run 3-4 more games like that with all these role submissions.
Or, y'know, a total of 21 games.
Post by: Toaster on August 26, 2014, 04:11:10 pm
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on August 26, 2014, 04:13:51 pm
Also, I sent in more roles. This will be amusing.
Also, there are currently 2 roles I sent in that I'm hoping to get.
Post by: flabort on August 26, 2014, 06:58:44 pm
When this game is over, flabort needs to run another game using the roles that didn't get used, via random detribution.Oh, no. I'm using them ALL this game.
Actually, he could probably run 3-4 more games like that with all these role submissions.
I'm giving 2-4 powers to each "main" role and 1-2 to each "extra" role, but all the roles will be used and spread out to the players.
Post by: flabort on August 26, 2014, 07:20:54 pm
Someone try to get Shakerag in on this. He'll love it.
And maybe someone could hook Cheese up with good persistent internet.
Hmmm... Tiruin's busy modding the BM, so this might be too much for her...
What other active mafia players could we get interested in this?
Post by: Toaster on August 26, 2014, 09:02:57 pm
Also, Web himself!
Post by: flabort on August 26, 2014, 09:16:55 pm
I'll PM him to see if he's interested.
Post by: webadict on August 26, 2014, 10:49:52 pm
Look at the sign-up sheet from BYOR 13 and go from there? Or all of the past many BYORs?Don't drag me into this!
Also, Web himself!
Literally, here's how the game would go:
"Oh, flabort's game's started."
Clicks My Messages.
"Mafia. Again."
Clicks thread.
First post: Webadict. He's always mafia.
Second post: Wuba, you cann just TELL he's mafia.
Third post: web, y u always mafia?!?
Sigh
Clicks Reply
Types up replies.
6 New Posts.
Catches up and posts.
1 New Post.
flabort post: Suddenly webadict falls to the ground. He is dead mafia.
"... I'm gonna go play a different game."
First post afterward from Shakerag: LOLOLOL, called it.
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on August 26, 2014, 11:04:55 pm
Role will have to wait a bit tho.
Post by: flabort on August 26, 2014, 11:15:45 pm
flabort post: Suddenly webadict falls to the ground. He is dead mafia.No hammers. I wouldn't post that quick.
"... I'm gonna go play a different game."
Wait, you're saying you'd get daykilled. Hmm. You'd still probably have time to post, though.
Honestly, your notoriety for being "always scum" can't be that bad. I can't recall a single game in which an "always scum" player I played with was actually scum.
And there were three such players that I played with regularly.
If you don't want to play, that's fine. We just thought collectively that you might want to.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 26, 2014, 11:20:51 pm
Post by: zombie urist on August 26, 2014, 11:33:56 pm
Post by: webadict on August 27, 2014, 07:18:38 am
I think Hammers are good. There's no need to extend a Day that has been decided. And that was a daykill.flabort post: Suddenly webadict falls to the ground. He is dead mafia.No hammers. I wouldn't post that quick.
"... I'm gonna go play a different game."
Wait, you're saying you'd get daykilled. Hmm. You'd still probably have time to post, though.
Honestly, your notoriety for being "always scum" can't be that bad. I can't recall a single game in which an "always scum" player I played with was actually scum.
And there were three such players that I played with regularly.
If you don't want to play, that's fine. We just thought collectively that you might want to.
It's not that I'm always scum, but that I have a higher frequency of being scum.
Post by: Toaster on August 27, 2014, 07:52:09 am
Post by: TolyK on August 27, 2014, 08:29:09 am
Post by: TheDarkStar on August 27, 2014, 08:40:25 am
We could give him two separate roles to offset his D1 lynch...
"You cannot die from lynching day 1", followed by being lynched two days in a row.
Post by: mastahcheese on August 27, 2014, 09:14:11 am
If you think it would be worth dealing with my lack of capability to quote or address everyone equally, then I'll join.
Particurally if I get some of the wierder shit I sent in :P
Post by: mastahcheese on August 27, 2014, 10:38:58 am
Even... *Checks message* number 7?
Post by: TolyK on August 27, 2014, 10:41:24 am
Am I the only person who sent in two? :p
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on August 27, 2014, 10:43:17 am
Also, sending in another role.
Post by: mastahcheese on August 27, 2014, 11:54:47 am
In
Post by: Tiruin on August 27, 2014, 02:51:44 pm
So I got a PM for this.
um...
In?
Oh wait let me send in a PM.
Post by: mastahcheese on August 27, 2014, 02:55:02 pm
That said, this will be fun.
Post by: Tiruin on August 27, 2014, 03:01:47 pm
I don't think one is strictly needed by this point, we have way more than enough roles for every player to have more than they know what to do with.I want to kill everyone because they are jerks. :I
That said, this will be fun.
Post by: mastahcheese on August 27, 2014, 03:06:08 pm
That doesn't sound like you at all! D:I don't think one is strictly needed by this point, we have way more than enough roles for every player to have more than they know what to do with.I want to kill everyone because they are jerks. :I
That said, this will be fun.
(Ok, maybe a bit, but still)
Post by: Tiruin on August 27, 2014, 03:10:02 pm
Also, 'maybe a bit'? XD
Post by: 4maskwolf on August 27, 2014, 04:02:17 pm
...I sent in just two as well.
Am I the only person who sent in two? :p
Post by: Tiruin on August 27, 2014, 04:03:48 pm
Err, shouldn't you send in two?...I sent in just two as well.
Am I the only person who sent in two? :p
Quote
However, this is the High Powered variant: Pick TWO things, instead of one (Or more, but you only get two of the ones you picked)!
Post by: Jack A T on August 27, 2014, 04:05:09 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on August 27, 2014, 04:06:18 pm
Lack of capability be damned, then.CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE!
In
Post by: Tiruin on August 27, 2014, 04:07:42 pm
Exactly. :DLack of capability be damned, then.CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE!
In
Post by: mastahcheese on August 27, 2014, 04:16:52 pm
Hence the ':I' at the end.Let's see.
Also, 'maybe a bit'? XD
Dwarfy comes to mind.
As does Shinotsa.
I'm sure there are others who's names and blood types escape me for the moment.
But usually you're kind and sweet, so it's good. :D
Post by: Shakerag on August 27, 2014, 05:10:02 pm
First post afterward from Shakerag: LOLOLOL, called it.Hey now, I'm a bit classier than that.
Someone try to get Shakerag in on this. He'll love it.Nahh. All of my role ideas would likely get me banned right now.
Post by: Toaster on August 27, 2014, 08:27:05 pm
Post by: Tiruin on August 27, 2014, 08:31:50 pm
What about Flabort.Someone try to get Shakerag in on this. He'll love it.Nahh. All of my role ideas would likely get me banned right now.
As in, being Flabort as your role? :P Your ideas were quite pun.
Fun! Pun!
... Yeah >_>
Post by: flabort on August 27, 2014, 09:02:03 pm
Wait a second, you said you are using ALL of them?Out of your list?
Even... *Checks message* number 7?
*checks*
Yes. Yes. Yes.
...No. The Two-Role-Crowd is about as large as the Multi-role crowd, actually.
Am I the only person who sent in two? :p
I'm trying to keep the list of things I'll ban small. Two here, a dozen there...Someone try to get Shakerag in on this. He'll love it.Nahh. All of my role ideas would likely get me banned right now.
42 is a lot of roles to go through and check if they're banworthy. Out of all the roles I've gone through so far, I've only banned a very slim amount.
I have doubts all your role ideas would be ban worthy. There have been some pretty... original submissions.
((22 shakeragian roles and counting...))
Post by: Jack A T on August 27, 2014, 09:05:07 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 27, 2014, 09:13:24 pm
Post by: Superblackcat on August 27, 2014, 11:01:41 pm
Post by: Tiruin on August 27, 2014, 11:40:57 pm
CHEEESEEE! hey buddy!O__O
You and him...
Him and you...
...
I know what to do now.
Post by: Shakerag on August 28, 2014, 08:56:29 am
I'm trying to keep the list of things I'll ban small. Two here, a dozen there...Ahh. I meant banned from the forums.
42 is a lot of roles to go through and check if they're banworthy. Out of all the roles I've gone through so far, I've only banned a very slim amount.
I have doubts all your role ideas would be ban worthy. There have been some pretty... original submissions.
Post by: Tiruin on August 28, 2014, 09:03:33 am
Interesting...So your role is Banned Ideas huh.I'm trying to keep the list of things I'll ban small. Two here, a dozen there...Ahh. I meant banned from the forums.
42 is a lot of roles to go through and check if they're banworthy. Out of all the roles I've gone through so far, I've only banned a very slim amount.
I have doubts all your role ideas would be ban worthy. There have been some pretty... original submissions.
@Flabort: Sent another PM, decided to change my roles. :x
Post by: mastahcheese on August 28, 2014, 11:19:54 am
*Tilts head in confusion*CHEEESEEE! hey buddy!O__O
You and him...
Him and you...
...
I know what to do now.
What?
Also hi SBC.
Post by: Persus13 on August 28, 2014, 08:10:37 pm
(I'm fine with that though because I think its kind of reasonable)
Post by: mastahcheese on August 29, 2014, 08:04:06 am
Granted, most are self-detrimental, so that might be why.
Post by: notquitethere on August 29, 2014, 06:47:01 pm
Post by: Tiruin on August 29, 2014, 07:33:48 pm
Ladies and gentlemen and others, I have Inned. Whoever's on the same team as me best be prepared to lose.FINALLY.
We can lose together~ :D
Post by: flabort on August 29, 2014, 07:49:13 pm
I resolved it when I realized I forgot to update the OP when Tiruin submitted her roles.
Oops.
In other news I've started preliminary test-bakes to see which roles can act as balance and counter to which other roles. I think we've got a good mix here, though nothing is finalized yet. If we want to close sign-ups and wait for one game or the other to end while I bake the roles, we can, or we can keep signing people up and make this even more crazy awesome.
PPE: Oh, great. I found another inconsistancy in my notes. I forgot someone else on the OP, let's go through one-by-one again... (Edit: It was Cheese)
Post by: TheDarkStar on August 29, 2014, 09:52:31 pm
*Unless they are zombies trying to eat you.
Post by: TolyK on August 30, 2014, 02:07:53 am
The more the merrier? :p
Post by: mastahcheese on August 30, 2014, 08:58:42 am
We can always have more people. :D
Post by: flabort on August 30, 2014, 10:49:43 am
Designing one test-role, trying to think of an appropriate counter to balance it out, and look over the list of Shakeragian roles submitted so far.
Realize that it's already perfectly countered already.
I think that might be the final version of those two roles.
Also, average 9.8 roles per person, or 17.7 powers, including autos and 1-shots
Well, considering this game will inevitably be an unbalanced clusterfuck...Clusterfuck, yes.
The more the merrier? :p
Unbalanced...? Apparently not.
The roles submitted so far actually work out pretty good in my test-bakes.
*flails wildly*Sure thing. They will remain open, then.
We can always have more people. :D
I'm enjoying looking through the MafiaScum wiki looking for interesting powers for each role that doesn't fit the classic powers.
This is going to be so much fun.
Post by: Varee on August 30, 2014, 10:51:58 am
Post by: flabort on August 30, 2014, 10:56:22 am
Can we have a role example from one of the role you are not using?Er, no for two reasons.
1) I'm using all the roles that I haven't banned.
2) If I give an example of a power I've decided I'm not using, it might be spoilers towards what I am using.
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on August 30, 2014, 10:56:58 am
Post by: notquitethere on August 30, 2014, 11:00:41 am
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on August 30, 2014, 11:03:33 am
Post by: mastahcheese on August 30, 2014, 11:17:01 am
So, how long til game start?+1
Post by: flabort on August 30, 2014, 11:23:16 am
Just as long as it takes for one of the ongoing games to end, plus maybe a day or two or five at the most to finish baking the roles.So, how long til game start?+1
I'm actually super looking forward to seeing what Flabort comes up with.I'm super looking forward to revealing what I've come up with so far.
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on August 30, 2014, 11:35:10 am
Post by: flabort on August 30, 2014, 11:51:39 am
Why do you need one of the ongoing games to end? Is there some written/unwritten rule about this?Too many games at once can be stressful to the players. As a result, X players join game A, while Y players join game B, leaving less players per game, and making both games less fun for everyone involved.
Also, one of the games already running, and the one that is further ahead than the other, is also a BYOR game. This one is likely to end first, but having two BYORs running at once could be far too confusing, as BYOR games tend to have that element of... confusion.
See also: Opening post of Games Threshold Discussion and List (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=45016.0)
Post by: webadict on August 30, 2014, 01:35:50 pm
I think the forum could probably handle two games running at once with another in sign-ups. Beginner's Mafias don't quite count in that.Why do you need one of the ongoing games to end? Is there some written/unwritten rule about this?Too many games at once can be stressful to the players. As a result, X players join game A, while Y players join game B, leaving less players per game, and making both games less fun for everyone involved.
Also, one of the games already running, and the one that is further ahead than the other, is also a BYOR game. This one is likely to end first, but having two BYORs running at once could be far too confusing, as BYOR games tend to have that element of... confusion.
See also: Opening post of Games Threshold Discussion and List (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=45016.0)
Post by: notquitethere on August 30, 2014, 04:48:11 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on August 30, 2014, 04:52:06 pm
Post by: flabort on August 31, 2014, 11:59:58 am
Found this while looking for information for certain roles.Maybe I'll run a BYOR in the future just for you, Shakerag.Best game idea: Bring Your Own Shakeragian Role.
Since there are currently more Shakeragian roles than players in this game...
Edit: And that's one more Set of roles done.
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on August 31, 2014, 01:14:27 pm
Will we get a list of all the roles and their powers after the game ends?
Post by: flabort on August 31, 2014, 01:21:25 pm
Also, who submitted what.
Post by: TheDarkStar on August 31, 2014, 04:35:33 pm
Found this while looking for information for certain roles.Maybe I'll run a BYOR in the future just for you, Shakerag.Best game idea: Bring Your Own Shakeragian Role.
Since there are currently more Shakeragian roles than players in this game...
What kind of role would qualify as Shakeragian?
Post by: TolyK on August 31, 2014, 04:42:34 pm
Post by: webadict on August 31, 2014, 04:50:15 pm
"The "/{adj./}*" Role That "/{verb/}*/{adj./}*"."The FHPBYOR Role That Doesn't Do Anything Crazy.
Post by: flabort on August 31, 2014, 05:01:07 pm
That would be a bit of a relief, if a bit of a challenge creatively."The "/{adj./}*" Role That "/{verb/}*/{adj./}*"."The FHPBYOR Role That Doesn't Do Anything Crazy.
Post by: TolyK on August 31, 2014, 05:26:45 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on August 31, 2014, 05:33:16 pm
Well, you * could* just have the role in question be a nerf-role...I think most of the ones I sent in qualify for that.
Post by: flabort on August 31, 2014, 06:47:39 pm
You keep saying that, but it's just not true.Well, you * could* just have the role in question be a nerf-role...I think most of the ones I sent in qualify for that.
Post by: flabort on September 01, 2014, 07:43:04 pm
Each and every role that has been submitted so far has a rough shape, a guess as to which powers it should have.
Next step, figuring out if anyone else is going to sign up. Then closing the signups, assigning the extra roles, and balancing them.
That's 145 roles so far. More if anyone else joins. I've still managed to hold onto that shred of sanity I have left even after going through them all. :P
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 01, 2014, 08:38:45 pm
OK. Ok. Oh-kay.
Each and every role that has been submitted so far has a rough shape, a guess as to which powers it should have.
Next step, figuring out if anyone else is going to sign up. Then closing the signups, assigning the extra roles, and balancing them.
That's 145 roles so far. More if anyone else joins. I've still managed to hold onto that shred of sanity I have left even after going through them all. :P
And then another 5 people signed up with 42 roles each.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 01, 2014, 10:57:30 pm
Post by: flabort on September 01, 2014, 11:12:50 pm
Close the signups. I'll send in 5 more roles so everyone can have an even ten.Alrighty.
Except for TolyK, there seems to be a general consensus to close them and start anyways now.
So I'll still wait a bit before starting, but I guess I'll close the signups.
Post by: Toaster on September 01, 2014, 11:13:15 pm
Post by: TolyK on September 01, 2014, 11:15:32 pm
Post by: flabort on September 01, 2014, 11:25:07 pm
So many Shakeragian roles, so little Shakerag.....yes. More than you might think.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 05, 2014, 01:56:39 pm
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 05, 2014, 02:00:35 pm
*Twiddles thumbs eagerly*
Post by: TolyK on September 05, 2014, 02:04:40 pm
+*Twiddles thumbs eagerly*
*sudden realization that I have uni now and will likely go insane playing this*
Post by: Toaster on September 05, 2014, 02:23:57 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 05, 2014, 06:32:12 pm
Do you split a single player's extra roles evenly among everyone, or do all the extra roles go in one big bucket that's then randomized?A slurry of abilities from discernment of the amalgam of suggestions?
That's a really nice idea. :3
Post by: flabort on September 05, 2014, 10:06:21 pm
Do you split a single player's extra roles evenly among everyone, or do all the extra roles go in one big bucket that's then randomized?Well, I was doing the former (And was pretty sure that's how the sentence in the OP would be interpreted), but I'm starting to think that doing the latter for the remaining roles would result in a more even mix.
Post by: Superblackcat on September 06, 2014, 04:09:48 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 06, 2014, 04:21:00 pm
Weee, I'm excited :D
Post by: mastahcheese on September 06, 2014, 05:35:22 pm
Weee, I'm excited :D
Post by: flabort on September 06, 2014, 07:40:12 pm
No, I'm making progress on it. Not quite but almost half-way done.
Post by: zombie urist on September 06, 2014, 08:20:11 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 06, 2014, 08:23:06 pm
Post by: flabort on September 06, 2014, 08:35:31 pm
Just three sets of roles to distribute left. Got all the major huge ones behind me already, too.
Once I have those done, I can get the role PMs finished, and then I'll be ready to start whenever.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 07, 2014, 12:50:36 pm
Post by: Salsacookies on September 07, 2014, 01:46:39 pm
Post by: flabort on September 07, 2014, 01:56:48 pm
In.Just a touch too late, Salsa.
I'm sorry to bar you entry, but 4mask has another game that is in signups that you could join instead.
But I did close the sign-ups.
So I'll still wait a bit before starting, but I guess I'll close the signups.We're just in that intermediary phase between signups and day 1.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 07, 2014, 02:00:41 pm
Post by: Salsacookies on September 07, 2014, 02:02:00 pm
Post by: flabort on September 07, 2014, 09:33:24 pm
Also, big news: All roles are assigned. Yup. Except for some clean-up and other pre-game stuff, we're ready to start, and I will send out the PMs when we do. As well, I am crafting the opening post now.
Post by: TolyK on September 07, 2014, 11:35:35 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 08, 2014, 12:12:01 am
Silly! I:
Post by: TolyK on September 08, 2014, 03:13:57 am
Sorry. :p
Post by: notquitethere on September 08, 2014, 11:27:13 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 08, 2014, 12:53:00 pm
That sum it up? :P
Post by: TolyK on September 08, 2014, 01:55:52 pm
:P
Post by: flabort on September 08, 2014, 07:46:56 pm
Sending some Pre-Game PMs, once I get replies on those I can start.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 08, 2014, 07:49:19 pm
It's finally starting!
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 08, 2014, 07:49:43 pm
:D
It's finally starting!
*crosses fingers for scum/third party*
Post by: Jack A T on September 08, 2014, 10:12:05 pm
I'll be playing this game primarily for teh lulzSame, starting right from role selection.
Post by: flabort on September 08, 2014, 10:54:08 pm
Sending some Pre-Game PMs, once I get replies on those I can start.OK, going to bed, will start tomorrow if I have those PMs. Only a couple people got these, but they are necessary.
Post by: TolyK on September 08, 2014, 11:34:47 pm
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 09, 2014, 12:47:35 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 09, 2014, 08:05:19 am
Unless you guys realized that and pre-emptively lying about getting a PM...
But that would be pre-game WIFOM, so disregard that.
Post by: Varee on September 09, 2014, 08:27:00 am
Post by: Toaster on September 09, 2014, 08:30:38 am
Post by: flabort on September 09, 2014, 08:32:15 am
I'm sending out role PMs (and locking thread) now.
Post by: flabort on September 09, 2014, 08:40:20 am
The clock struck midnight. Anyone who wasn't yet sitting down grabbed a chair and sat. Flabort stuck out his hand, and wisked the cover off the pile. Sparkly foil packaging and plastic wrapped boxes glinted in the dimmed lights of the store, and he stepped forward in a booming voice.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the brand new game you've all been waiting for, finally arived; 'Reaper Rocks'," he declares. His two employees move forward and start passing out packs from the pile, and once everyone has two packs, he anounces, "Begin! Start opening!"
From each foil pack falls several small gemstones, each glowing faintly. The cards still within the packs are forgotten as each player grabs the stones on the table, and each feels a similar but distinct experience of endorphins rushing and power flowing. Eyes flash and meet as the patrons of the store are flooded with unlocked knowledge within their minds; they are stopped when Flabort makes another anouncement.
"Additional packs may be won through play. The grand champion, or champions as the case may be, will get five boxes of packs, each in the case of a tie. And: You may not leave the store until the game is over. The doors are sealed with the same powers as those stones you know hold possess. You cannot leave."
As realization sinks in, play begins. Players start to organize themselves, only for someone to scream. Flabort's body is discovered under the table, and the imposter who was speaking grins and dissapears into a thin vapor. Mere moments later the bodies of his two employees are found, too. The players start talking, and agree that for this many deaths to occur, someone present must be responsible. Someone's eyes glow, and the speak of five people hidden in the midst of the players who seek to take all the stones for themselves, and every pack in the pile.
It is agreed that they will use the power of the gemstones to eliminate suspects between games of cards, in order to find the killers. The nature of the game becomes clear, that the cards are not important, and the first hour begins.
There is a new rule in play! Non-players can vote in PINK and their votes will be counted. There is a new rule in play! Members of the Deadchat can send messages to the scum chat using bold text, but they cannot read the scum chat! There is a new rule in play! Non-players may vote in LIMEGREEN to choose a certain player's action at night, from the choices of "Protect", "Investigate", or "Give new Power".
The following players are publicly known to be town:
Varee
TheDarkStar
Votecount
4maskwolf (0) -
BlitzDungeoneer (-4) -
GayArchaea (0) -
Jack A T (0) -
Mastahcheese (0) -
Notquitethere (0) -
Persus13 (0) -
SuperBlackCat (0) -
TheDarkStar (0) -
TheWetSheep (0) -
Tiruin (0) -
Toaster (0) -
TolyK (0) -
Urist Imiknorris (0) -
Varee (0) -
Day ends Friday, Sept 12, approximately 7:00 PM (84 hours from this post).
Post by: Tiruin on September 09, 2014, 08:44:46 am
Varee//TDS: Why are you town?
Post by: Varee on September 09, 2014, 08:54:49 am
So this is going to be !!FUN!!
Post by: Shakerag on September 09, 2014, 08:55:02 am
Varee for Give new Power because it seems fitting.
Post by: Varee on September 09, 2014, 08:57:04 am
Blitz, why you got -4 vote ....
Post by: Tiruin on September 09, 2014, 08:57:57 am
Next
Shakerag, I hate you[r pick of roles]. Are you nyancat?
Also BlitzDungeoneer why is your roleset balanced by a whopping 4 negative votes?
I am not myself here -_-
Post by: Varee on September 09, 2014, 09:02:42 am
Shake is not a player
Green thing is for non player
Post by: Tiruin on September 09, 2014, 09:07:10 am
Oh no, he's a player alright. A replacement but BLARGH.
Jack A T I KNOW YOUR SECRETS. I HATE PEOPLE. BLARGH.
Also legitimate question: How do you view this high-powered game? What is your primary method of looking into your feel of people: How they post or the relative content/wording of their post? How many roles did you send in? :I
Shakerag: Y U POST. I HATE.
4maskwolf: WHY. WHY. WHY. I QUIT. ARGH.
And on a legitimate question: How many roles did you send in?
Toaster: FEELING NATIONALISTIC, EH, BUDDY?
Also legitimate question: Do you expect whackiness in a 'gamebreaking' sort of way later on in-game, or do you expect radical balance through foreknowledge of roles (given that this is a high-stakes game)
I hate this game :I
Post by: Tiruin on September 09, 2014, 09:08:00 am
I hate this game argh this.
Post by: Persus13 on September 09, 2014, 09:11:11 am
Nooo, Jack A T for Give New Power because why did you send in that role :IWhy Jack A T?
Next
Shakerag, I hate you[r pick of roles]. Are you nyancat?
Also BlitzDungeoneer why is your roleset balanced by a whopping 4 negative votes?
I am not myself here -_-
So one of my role powers is that I can't vote just one person and have to use three votes every time I vote.
notquitethere: What do you think your strategy will be for an extremely night heavy game?
Blitz: What is with the -4 on your vote?
Toaster: Do you think Varee and TheDarkStar are actually town?
Post by: Tiruin on September 09, 2014, 09:14:35 am
TiruinBECAUSE I HATE YOU TOO. BLARGH.Nooo, Jack A T for Give New Power because why did you send in that role :IWhy Jack A T?
Next
Shakerag, I hate you[r pick of roles]. Are you nyancat?
Also BlitzDungeoneer why is your roleset balanced by a whopping 4 negative votes?
I am not myself here -_-
So one of my role powers is that I can't vote just one person and have to use three votes every time I vote.
Seriously, one of my roles already point out the obvious that it was from him, given that I know his character. Hilariously, this is not metaknowledge and my vote is in accordance with what I should play as my role instead of my true play style, by which I mean treat all those I vote as extremely fluid, the usual case addressed in bold as if I'm just speaking to them, and I've a special mustache which I love to twirl every day >_>
I hate this game. I quit (no I don't)
Post by: Toaster on September 09, 2014, 09:29:16 am
Also, five? Is five the number of members of the Mafia team? Five non-town? Five with wincons directly opposed to the town?
Shakerag: *Assuming the answer to the above question is yes* what impact do you think you personally will have on the game?
Tiruin:
SO WHO WAS SHAKERAG
There's a little bit of Shakerag in all of us.
Toaster: FEELING NATIONALISTIC, EH, BUDDY?
Also legitimate question: Do you expect whackiness in a 'gamebreaking' sort of way later on in-game, or do you expect radical balance through foreknowledge of roles (given that this is a high-stakes game)
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH
I'm hoping for the "everything is overpowered" school of balance, and that it is meaningfully executed. There may be some sort of counterbalance roles involved that slow down a team if it gets out in power. Really, I have no idea.
Do you think your role is balanced?
Jack: Why did you feel the need to spread the influence of your Soviet Canuckistan far and wide? Shall I paint your name your favorite color of red?
Persus:
Toaster: Do you think Varee and TheDarkStar are actually town?
I'm not buying them as 100% confirmed just yet.
Can they be the same three people? Can one be yourself? If you change one, can you keep the other two the same?
Urist I: What influence do you think the nonplayers will have? Do you think the rules involving them will change (Sleeping God style) or do you think we're stuck with them until the relevant player is gone?
Mastahcheese: What do you think is the biggest threat to town this game?
4mask: Will the abundance of powers benefit town or scum more?
Post by: Tiruin on September 09, 2014, 09:35:47 am
Do you think your role is balanced?No.
...Yes.
..Wait, still, no.
>_>
It is hard to quantify 'balanced' here; I do believe it is 'balanced' in the way that 'I have no idea what will happen in the future but I'm pretty OP in my own sense of looking at my own roles.'
Because i say negative things in my post, as an always. Doesn't matter how negative or what, just /negative/. However I may format it in a way that is explicitly obvious. [which I only noticed as of this post.] :'(
THAT IS A LIE. I LIE. MWAHAHA!
HEY SCUMBAGS, KILL ME TONIGHT K? ACTUALLY DON'T; AHAHAHAHAAHAA.
Urist I: What influence do you think the nonplayers will have? Do you think the rules involving them will change (Sleeping God style) or do you think we're stuck with them until the relevant player is gone?It is not important. They just get to pick something/+one.
Nothing else than that.
I AM AMORPHOUS. FEEL MY MORPHOSITY. IT IS JELLY. I AM JELLY, OF YOU ALL.
Please ignore the capital text.
Post by: Varee on September 09, 2014, 09:41:35 am
Whoever is the canadian that send in the carpload of canadian role, you are so annoying....
Some real question, what do you guys think about a no lynch d1 on a game with this scale, for me it will be pretty sad if someone get kill before they can try flabort crazy roles, also i believe that there a lot of info to be gain in the night anyway so a lynch is less important? Well i kinda not like lynch in the first place so opinions?
Post by: Tiruin on September 09, 2014, 09:45:29 am
Some real question, what do you guys think about a no lynch d1 on a game with this scale, for me it will be pretty sad if someone get kill before they can try flabort crazy roles, also i believe that there a lot of info to be gain in the night anyway so a lynch is less important? Well i kinda not like lynch in the first place so opinions?If that explicitly happens then I'll use my one-shot and tonight will be a failsafe.
THIS IS ALSO A LIE AHAHAHAHAHAA
No, really.
Tirurin just gain double personality disorder.....I blame my role.
That I did not pick. >:I
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 09, 2014, 09:53:31 am
Toaster: I dunno, honestly. I know that I'm going to have a lot of fun with this role, that's what I'll say.
Tiruin: I sent in two roles, so that nobody else would get any of my preciouses :P
But in all seriousness, I couldn't think of much else to do.
Now, for questions:
Tiruin: What do you think will be the most broken element of this game?
Toaster: Why did you send in however many roles you did?
CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE: By the way, a vote for you too. How many self-detrimental roles did you send in?
Jack A T: Why did you send in so many roles to start with? Why oh why?
Persus13: Thought I was out of votes? You thought wrong. Do you personally think Varee and TDS are confirmed?
BlitzDungeoneer: Why do you have -4 votes on you?
Unvote all. You shall never know how many votes I truly have. Bwahahahahaha.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 09, 2014, 10:07:22 am
notquitethere: What is your favorite part of your role?
TheDarkStar: Why are you confirmed town?
Superblackcat: Welcome to this game. A vote for you too. What is your favorite alignment?
Unvote all
Post by: Toaster on September 09, 2014, 10:11:45 am
Whoever is the canadian that send in the carpload of canadian role, you are so annoying....
That'd be Jack, who successfully used his psychic Canadian Prime Minister to lead his scum team to victory several BYORs ago.
Some real question, what do you guys think about a no lynch d1 on a game with this scale, for me it will be pretty sad if someone get kill before they can try flabort crazy roles, also i believe that there a lot of info to be gain in the night anyway so a lynch is less important? Well i kinda not like lynch in the first place so opinions?
No. Next question!
4mask:
Toaster: Why did you send in however many roles you did?
It suited my needs and desires.
This wincon tho...
What is it?
Post by: TheWetSheep on September 09, 2014, 10:25:43 am
Can we keep the night game out of the day game, at least for D1? I want to do at least some normal scumhunting.
Flabort: Can dead people vote in pink? Can non-players post stuff that isn't a vote?
4mask:
This wincon tho...You're not town?
SuperBlackCat: Do you use RVS to get people talking or to learn about how they play?
NQT: How are you planning to deal with lurkers this game?
Toaster: How much effort will you put into killing 3rd parties/town with alternate wincons?
Post by: Toaster on September 09, 2014, 10:28:22 am
Toaster: How much effort will you put into killing 3rd parties/town with alternate wincons?
What would alternate wincons entail, by your definition? 3rd parties are dealt with as per normal. Townies with alternate wincons? Wouldn't that make them not townies?
Post by: Jack A T on September 09, 2014, 10:28:45 am
Things I shall state for the record:
*I have an auto that makes me use one of my actions randomly each night, on a random target if applicable. I do not know what power or who was targeted. This is in addition to my standard night stuff.
*There is a role in play called "The FHPBYOR Role That Hunts Canadian Government Departments," so you may want to stop announcing your Canadianness.
Tiruin: I did not send in WWYDT or Archangel Mode. Were you referring to that?
Also legitimate question: How do you view this high-powered game? What is your primary method of looking into your feel of people: How they post or the relative content/wording of their post? How many roles did you send in? :IThis is going to be chaos, and I'm not taking this all too seriously. I look into people by going over their posts and searching for actions/statements I wouldn't expect from town them and interesting patterns in their activity, as well as interesting omissions in their arguments. Also, some other stuff I can't really state well. Then I question those I suspect, and either withdraw after that or push forward. This often involves walls of questions.
As for the roles I sent in, I'm the one to blame for the 42 role limit. 42 roles allowed in.
Jack: Why did you feel the need to spread the influence of your Soviet Canuckistan far and wide? Shall I paint your name your favorite color of red?Toaster: https://www.nfb.ca/film/william_shatner_sings_o_canada
Whoever is the canadian that send in the carpload of canadian role, you are so annoying....Varee: Thanks! Also, no no lynch. Why don't you like Canadian roles?
Some real question, what do you guys think about a no lynch d1 on a game with this scale, for me it will be pretty sad if someone get kill before they can try flabort crazy roles, also i believe that there a lot of info to be gain in the night anyway so a lynch is less important? Well i kinda not like lynch in the first place so opinions?
Jack A T: Why did you send in so many roles to start with? Why oh why?4maskwolf: For fun.
This wincon tho...Not town, sir? Why make this statement so early?
SuperBlackCat: If a non-player voted for you, how would you react?
NQT: How do you believe people should handle their knowledge of the roles they sent in, but did not receive? When should they be revealed, if ever?
GayArchaea: I don't recognize you. What is your prior Mafia experience, online and offline?
Persus13: How do you intend to use your many votes? Can you see any situations where this ability may be beneficial?
Urist Imiknorris: There exists overwhelming evidence in this thread that indicates you are scum. Every single one of your posts today is scummy, scum. How do you intend to avoid the inevitable lynch, scum? More importantly, what impact do you think the deadchat-->scumchat messaging system will have on the game?
Post by: Jack A T on September 09, 2014, 10:29:45 am
Urist Imiknorris.
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 09, 2014, 10:45:24 am
Regardless, as all that seems to have been asked of me was the -4 votes thing...
It's one of my role powers.
Post by: Varee on September 09, 2014, 10:51:26 am
I dont think the roles have anything to do with the alignment at all. I am going to assume everyone have about the same number of role and power then.
Post by: TolyK on September 09, 2014, 10:57:29 am
No, it is not the only thing I need to know about. Ask U for who is scum and I will tell you.
Really? Who is scum?
Why, TheDarkStar, of course!
But he's Ur buddy, why are U rooting him out?
Not Ur buddy buddy, but Ur buddy. I's too, as a matter of fact.
True, true. Why did U vote him, then?
Actually, it was I idea to do that.
It was? I'm sure U did it, not I.
Whatever. As long as they kill us a bunch I'm fine with that.
Good, U and I are agreed then.[/u]
Post by: Jack A T on September 09, 2014, 11:00:33 am
I also got a role with a shakerag tag..... I assume that role is your too right jack......A lot of people sent in Shakeragian roles. Answer my question: why don't you like Canadian roles?
TolyK: What's with this U and I stuff? Imiknorris? Ridiculous joke?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 09, 2014, 11:01:19 am
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Urist I: What influence do you think the nonplayers will have? Do you think the rules involving them will change (Sleeping God style) or do you think we're stuck with them until the relevant player is gone?Hopefully not much, and I'd prefer the latter so as to have consistent rules for them.
Tiruin: Why did you answer Toaster's question for me?
TOLYK: REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE PLAYED A CARD GAME TOGETHER? THIS AIN'T THAT. YOU A DEAD MAN. DO NOT RESIST. YOU CANNOT.
Jack:
Quote
*There is a role in play called "The FHPBYOR Role That Hunts Canadian Government Departments," so you may want to stop announcing your Canadianness.You magnificent bastard. Why would you do that after sticking six trillion liters of maple syrup into this game?
Urist Imiknorris: There exists overwhelming evidence in this thread that indicates you are scum. Every single one of your posts today is scummy, scum. How do you intend to avoid the inevitable lynch, scum? More importantly, what impact do you think the deadchat-->scumchat messaging system will have on the game?Yup. Every one of my zero posts. Regarding the messaging, the only thing I can see coming from it is a dead scum using it to get a tracker fakeclaim for a buddy.
TWS: Prove your votelessness.
Post by: notquitethere on September 09, 2014, 11:02:23 am
Someone's eyes glow, and the speak of five people hidden in the midst of the players who seek to take all the stones for themselves, and every pack in the pile.
4maskwolf has just confirmed he's not town:
This wincon tho...
All those in favour of lynching 4mask, say "4maskwolf"!
4maskwolf
What's your wincon if it isn't the town wincon? My favourite part of my role is sweet auto synergies. How about you?
Persus13
notquitethere: What do you think your strategy will be for an extremely night heavy game?Use powers at night as cleverly as possible, don't forget about the day game, expect anything.
Why are you voting so many people?
Tiruin
Why are you behaving so erratically? Why are you voting a non-player?
Varee
Better than no-lynching, let's lynch a self-declared non town player
Sheep
I'm unable to vote.Yeah, me too. If you're not going to vote, what's your strategy for lynching scum?
NQT: How are you planning to deal with lurkers this game?With extreme prejudice. But I'll try and focus on non-lurkers too.
Jack
NQT: How do you believe people should handle their knowledge of the roles they sent in, but did not receive? When should they be revealed, if ever?If they submitted a role which is going to have a specific effect detrimental to the town (eg. The Role That Kills It's Owner And Everyone That Targets Them That Day), then they should reveal. Elsewise, it's up to individual player discretion.
Why did you initially vote a confirmed town player? What's so scummy about Urist?
TolyK, what in blue blazes are you going on about?
Post by: Varee on September 09, 2014, 11:06:25 am
Post by: TolyK on September 09, 2014, 11:10:25 am
That's right! UI is coincidentally funny...
But that was not the main point. Coincidentally, UI,
I wish you the best of luck this game.
I won't have to resist, it would be great.
U don't either.
Heh, good one!
{ooc: this game will really make me loony... probably...}
Post by: Jack A T on September 09, 2014, 11:15:08 am
Why did you initially vote a confirmed town player? What's so scummy about Urist?NQT: A big notice at the start of Day 1 saying Varee is town is not enough, I believe, to prove Varee is town. The vote was left by accident, but was originally meant to be a standard RVS vote.
Regarding Urist, look carefully at my case against him. Look at how I stated that every single post of his today is scummy. Look at his posts by that point carefully. You'll find that there weren't any, and that the case was a joke.
All those in favour of lynching 4mask, say "4maskwolf"!I'd prefer to hear more from him first. There has to be some strategic reason for him to have made his revelation.
TOLYK: REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE PLAYED A CARD GAME TOGETHER? THIS AIN'T THAT. YOU A DEAD MAN. DO NOT RESIST. YOU CANNOT.Urist Imiknorris: Hmm. Any comment on TolyK's UI stuff?
Jack:Quote*There is a role in play called "The FHPBYOR Role That Hunts Canadian Government Departments," so you may want to stop announcing your Canadianness.You magnificent bastard. Why would you do that after sticking six trillion liters of maple syrup into this game?
In response to your question: For fun.
Post by: Jack A T on September 09, 2014, 11:16:06 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 09, 2014, 11:20:58 am
However, now that Varee decided to jump on the "lynch 4mask" bandwagon, I guess I have my first target.
Varee: Do you have any other reason for voting me other than the fact that I claimed non-town?
And NQT, I like my cool powers.
Post by: Varee on September 09, 2014, 11:23:15 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 09, 2014, 11:26:54 am
TolyK: I really hope you're not bulletproof.
Post by: TolyK on September 09, 2014, 11:58:05 am
Actually, I, U can.
Not quite a restriction...
But partially so.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 09, 2014, 12:08:52 pm
@Toaster: BIGGEST THREAT TO TOWN IS SHAKERAG, OBVIOUSLY.
@4mask: STOP TRYING TO ROLEFISH, ILL NEVER TELL. I'D VOTE YOUR ASS IF I COULD.
Nobody else asked me questions? I wonder why...
TIRUIN: I :I FACE AT YOU. YOU ARE TOO CLEVER FOR THIS.
As for the guy hunting Canadian, come at me, bro.
I fuckin' dare you.
Posting from iPod, I'm still trying to figure out my powers.
Also, due to sexist witchcraft, I can't vote. :I
[/noparse]
Post by: Toaster on September 09, 2014, 12:11:37 pm
Jack:Quote*There is a role in play called "The FHPBYOR Role That Hunts Canadian Government Departments," so you may want to stop announcing your Canadianness.You magnificent bastard. Why would you do that after sticking six trillion liters of maple syrup into this game?
I see what you did there.
4mask:
To those asking questions about my wincon: I have no idea who I'm allied with. I am a brother-ally, which is just... no. I win if someone else wins, and their wincon requires someone else to win. It's just... urk.
Ahahahaha. What'd you do, submit too many "Flabort SUX!@" roles?
TolyK:
Naa-na-na-naa-na! U can't kill me!
Actually, I, U can.
Where's your cousin B?
mastahcheese: Embrace the Shakerag.
Post by: TolyK on September 09, 2014, 12:14:08 pm
U haven't, but I have, and I told U. He went with a wandering Shakeragspearean theater.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 09, 2014, 12:16:46 pm
Toaster: Youve no idea, m8.
I've got balls of steeeeeeeel
[/noparse, motherfuckers]
Post by: TolyK on September 09, 2014, 12:21:09 pm
Because you're certainly not mine.
If it's a really strange ally...
Then tell us.
TEEEELL UUUUUS
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 09, 2014, 12:22:29 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on September 09, 2014, 12:26:58 pm
Oi! Flabort!: Updoot the thread title!
SBC: YOU WERE TOO EXCITED BEFORE THIS GAME BEGAN.
GIVE ME SIX REASONS WHY WE SHOULD LET YOU LIVE
NQT: A SCUM IS YOU
DEFEND YOURSELF
TOLYK: HOW MAD WOULD YOU BE IF I NIGHT KILLED YOU FOUR TIMES SIMULTANEOUSLY?
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING?
Ok, tired of all caps.
TDS: How does it feel to not be scum for once?
4Mask: Still mad over the jailkeeping?
[/noparse]
Post by: Persus13 on September 09, 2014, 12:28:34 pm
4maskwolf, 4maskwolf: Are you anti-town?
To all questions regarding my vote power. I have three votes. I can't vote for one person. I must use all three votes in the post where I vote.
There seems to be multiple roles and powers based on categories. Shakerag roles and Canadian government appear to be two of those categories.
I'll answer other questions when I don't have work to do.
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 09, 2014, 12:33:12 pm
I know! aydsyadurefwgowoa8
Now that my rage is out of the way (dammit flabort!) allow me to ask some questions.
Everyone:What, exactly, are you expecting out of this game of Mafia?Reasons why?
mastahcheese:Why the allcaps? Also, why do you think NQT is scum?
Right, that's all for now.
Post by: TolyK on September 09, 2014, 12:39:12 pm
Nondeterministic?
p∙v≧ħ?
Anyways, it depends.
But I'm thinking town.
U are as well...
Oh, I see we have new posts...
Yes. Cheese, I wouldn't be very mad if you hypothetically killed U 4 times.
Even unhypothetically. If that's a word (which it isn't).
But Cheese can do it, can't he?
Yes he can!
But why did Persus say that he told his wincon already? I know that, and U do too.
But he doesn't realize that I asked him something else. If I'm the person, which would be safe if U don't say how I win, and if I don't say how U win. Deal?
Deal.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 09, 2014, 12:45:22 pm
a) Don't bother killing TolyK - that's my job!
b) How do you know TDS isn't scum?
c) Please attempt to vote.
BlitzDungeoneer: I am expecting both everything and nothing. Assuming night actions are one per role per night (which I'm hoping for), there will be roughly ALL THE ACTIONS flying around, which will hopefully make for an entertaining late game.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 09, 2014, 01:03:29 pm
The all-caps was rage.
NQT is scum because reasons (actually, I just wanted to see his essay length responce for the bullshit accusation :P )
Urist: I can kill who I want!
It said he was town? I can shoot him to find out.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 09, 2014, 01:05:35 pm
TDS
[/noparse]
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 09, 2014, 01:34:08 pm
4mask:The roles I submitted did not in any way attack Flabort, no.To those asking questions about my wincon: I have no idea who I'm allied with. I am a brother-ally, which is just... no. I win if someone else wins, and their wincon requires someone else to win. It's just... urk.
Ahahahaha. What'd you do, submit too many "Flabort SUX!@" roles?
4mask, am I your ally per chance?I have no idea. I'm allied with the person who has the brother alignment, and they in turn are allied with the team of the person they are brother'd too.
Because you're certainly not mine.
If it's a really strange ally...
Then tell us.
TEEEELL UUUUUS
4Mask: Still mad over the jailkeeping?Heh. That. I'd forgotten about that. Which should answer your question.
4maskwolf, 4maskwolf: Are you anti-town?I told you my alignment. I have no idea if I'm anti-town. I hope I'm pro-town.
Post by: TolyK on September 09, 2014, 01:37:27 pm
That would be swell, having more than U and I in this world as friends.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 09, 2014, 01:39:40 pm
But 4mask, am I not that person? Or maybe U?*sigh*
That would be swell, having more than U and I in this world as friends.
I don't know who I'm allied too, just as a town-ally doesn't know who the townies are. I just know that I am allied to the brother, and that there is probably only one (my flavor text, such as it existed, seemed to indicate that there was only one brother).
Post by: TolyK on September 09, 2014, 01:41:19 pm
Totally bros!
Yo!
{ooc: i'm enjoying this far too much}
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 09, 2014, 01:45:07 pm
TolyK: 4maskwolf told us his wincon already.Bluh, I'm on an ipod and this post isn't too long, so please bear with the fact that I'm not editing it.
4maskwolf, 4maskwolf: Are you anti-town?
To all questions regarding my vote power. I have three votes. I can't vote for one person. I must use all three votes in the post where I vote.
There seems to be multiple roles and powers based on categories. Shakerag roles and Canadian government appear to be two of those categories.
I'll answer other questions when I don't have work to do.
I happen to have knowledge of two more categories of roles in existence: one because I have one, and one because one of my powers references it. These are, in no particular order, Elemental and Bay12er.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 09, 2014, 01:49:53 pm
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 09, 2014, 01:51:37 pm
What other categories are ther that people knew of?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 09, 2014, 01:52:22 pm
There is also Shakeragian, but I assume people already knew that.Shakeragian, Canadian Government, Bay12er, and elemental are the ones I know.
What other categories are ther that people knew of?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 09, 2014, 02:30:29 pm
...Also, 4mask, are you the one who submitted this joke? (If you are, you should know what I'm talking about)
[parsewhatevrr]
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 09, 2014, 02:43:51 pm
Yeah, I know of the existance of all those that 4mask mentioned.I submitted two roles. Sorry to say I can't claim that particular joke, whichever thing you are talking about.
...Also, 4mask, are you the one who submitted this joke? (If you are, you should know what I'm talking about)
[parsewhatevrr]
Post by: TolyK on September 09, 2014, 02:51:02 pm
Yup, but not you. Now I know the rest.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 09, 2014, 03:03:27 pm
I submitted two roles. Sorry to say I can't claim that particular joke, whichever thing you are talking about.Hmm.
Now I wonder who did...
[parsenoparse]
Post by: Cheeetar on September 09, 2014, 03:09:01 pm
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 09, 2014, 03:13:45 pm
What is your reasoning behind this? I refuse to accept that a fellow Bay12er would start pointing fingers simply because 'it's unfair he gets this cool power and I don't!'.
Post by: Cheeetar on September 09, 2014, 03:15:52 pm
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 09, 2014, 03:18:11 pm
Also, having a power doesn't immediately make me... Whatever it is that your wincon is opposing.
Post by: Persus13 on September 09, 2014, 03:20:37 pm
Yes, but why? Like, that's all I'm asking. Why exactly are you accusing me?Cheeetar isn't an actual player.
Also, having a power doesn't immediately make me... Whatever it is that your wincon is opposing.
Post by: Cheeetar on September 09, 2014, 03:22:16 pm
Flabort: Can non-players do anything except vote for people and their ability use for wacky & hilarious reasons? May I scumhunt/lie copiously, for example?
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 09, 2014, 03:23:19 pm
*checks list*
...dammit.
Actually, I think he can still vote against me. Admittedly, he's doing it wrong.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 09, 2014, 03:28:49 pm
Now how does that make you feel?
Unvote all
Post by: mastahcheese on September 09, 2014, 03:31:36 pm
Parse/
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 09, 2014, 03:41:46 pm
Post by: TolyK on September 09, 2014, 04:11:01 pm
Yo, can you by chance perhaps remove abilities by name? It would be very important for U and I alike.
Yup. And Cheeting Cheeetar, as usual.
Post by: GayArchaea on September 09, 2014, 04:19:43 pm
Before anyone asks, my wincon is that all anti-town factions are dead.
Toaster, What roles did you submit?
Post by: Tiruin on September 09, 2014, 05:28:24 pm
TiruinEeeeyeah >_>
Why are you behaving so erratically? Why are you voting a non-player?
Firstly, the first posts were more emotional tick (and flavored by me still being sick) so it took a while to reread as to what I am actually limited by.
Now, the erratically will only pertain to the capital letters from now on--think of it as an intrusive thought :D
I was voting Shakerag because I've got one role that has a Shakerag in it. And Shakerag is crazy role. :v
HEY SCUM, HIT ME. NIGHTKILL ME! :D
TIRUIN: I :I FACE AT YOU. YOU ARE TOO CLEVER FOR THIS.I HATE YOU TOO.
Not really...
REALLY.
Nope ._.
Also thanks? I'm just >_>'d with my roles.
I believe someone a while back asked about my previous Mafia experience. this is my first online mafia, but I had offline experience a few years ago.This smells like blatant rolefishing for a first question :/
Before anyone asks, my wincon is that all anti-town factions are dead.
Toaster, What roles did you submit?
Why're you asking this and why tell your wincon?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 09, 2014, 05:31:44 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on September 09, 2014, 05:33:49 pm
I HATE YOU TOO.._.
Not really...
REALLY.
Nope ._.
Also thanks? I'm just >_>'d with my roles.
*Hugs anyway*
Actually, no.
DON'T HIT HER, TRUST ME
IT'S MUCH BETTER TO HIT ME INSTEAD, SCUMBUCKETS
[un le parse]
Post by: Tiruin on September 09, 2014, 05:36:29 pm
I asked you a question.The answer you are looking for is in another tab!
Tiruin: What do you think will be the most broken element of this game?Being FLIPPIN' high powered -_-
Tiruin: Why did you answer Toaster's question for me?It's more of answering the general idea of it. That does not stop you from answering the question.
However, by this, you take my answer as your answer?
Tiruin: I did not send in WWYDT or Archangel Mode. Were you referring to that?...Nope, I won't claim what. :PAlso legitimate question: How do you view this high-powered game? What is your primary method of looking into your feel of people: How they post or the relative content/wording of their post? How many roles did you send in? :IThis is going to be chaos, and I'm not taking this all too seriously. I look into people by going over their posts and searching for actions/statements I wouldn't expect from town them and interesting patterns in their activity, as well as interesting omissions in their arguments. Also, some other stuff I can't really state well. Then I question those I suspect, and either withdraw after that or push forward. This often involves walls of questions.
As for the roles I sent in, I'm the one to blame for the 42 role limit. 42 roles allowed in.
However, are you government aligned, buddy? Or know of those governmental secrets? You do not need to answer this but give a sign of yes or no.
NOPE. NOT ANTI CANADIAN GOVERNMENT. DEMOCRACY IS DEMOCRAZY! IT'S HOW YOU DO IT!
Sorry bout that.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 09, 2014, 05:43:02 pm
At library now, so question time.
TolyK: You're proclaiming yourself to be basically invulnerable. Why? If someone were to challenge you on this, how would you take it?
TheDarkStar: Do you think the fact that you are "Confirmed Town" is a benefit or a detriment? Why?
BlitzDungeoneer: You have -4 votes on you. Does this seem unfair to you? Do you feel like a target for it?
4maskwolf: You only sent two roles. How does it feel to not have at least some concept of what others might possess?
Varee: Same as TDS.
Jack A T: Screw you, Jack.
TheWetSheep: Do you think it will be hard to fins scum? Why or why not?
Urist Imiknorris: You seem really picky about getting your questions answered. You mad, bro?
Superblackcat: If you were killed before you could even speak, how would you feel about that?
GayArchaea: Why do you expect people to ask for your wincon?
Toaster: Make some toast, bastard. Answer three questions in this list directed at other people. Now.
Persus13: How many times would you have to get shot in the face before you started to get worried?
Tiruin: Are you enjoying yourself? Is there anyone in particular you'd like to attack for it?
NotQuiteThere: Get your stat sheets out, sir or ma'am (I can't remember, sorry). What do they tell you?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 09, 2014, 05:43:19 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 09, 2014, 05:57:47 pm
Tiruin: Are you enjoying yourself? Is there anyone in particular you'd like to attack for it?Anyone I'd like to attack for enjoying myself?
I'm partially enjoying myself...
Mainly Flabort :P Because I didn't know we'd be given the MEAN of the roles submitted; I had thought that based on how many roles we're submitting, we're only getting 2 roles (and by that, the mixed attributes of all the roles submitted condensed into 2, not the average of all roles + the original 2 you submitted).
HATE HATE HATE, THIS.
Post by: GayArchaea on September 09, 2014, 05:59:33 pm
I am asking this mostly because I got a (Bay12) role marking his name, I am wondering if he submit the role. although it probably isn't the case, since the players didn't pick the skills.TiruinEeeeyeah >_>
Why are you behaving so erratically? Why are you voting a non-player?
Firstly, the first posts were more emotional tick (and flavored by me still being sick) so it took a while to reread as to what I am actually limited by.
Now, the erratically will only pertain to the capital letters from now on--think of it as an intrusive thought :D
I was voting Shakerag because I've got one role that has a Shakerag in it. And Shakerag is crazy role. :v
HEY SCUM, HIT ME. NIGHTKILL ME! :DTIRUIN: I :I FACE AT YOU. YOU ARE TOO CLEVER FOR THIS.I HATE YOU TOO.
Not really...
REALLY.
Nope ._.
Also thanks? I'm just >_>'d with my roles.I believe someone a while back asked about my previous Mafia experience. this is my first online mafia, but I had offline experience a few years ago.This smells like blatant rolefishing for a first question :/
Before anyone asks, my wincon is that all anti-town factions are dead.
Toaster, What roles did you submit?
Why're you asking this and why tell your wincon?
Now as for the win condition, I'll be honest here and say that I'm a Hybird Town.
Overall, My question is somewhat scummy. So I have decided to unvote Toaster.
I'll note that another question was asked by mastahcheese. Essentially, I believed people would like to know my wincon because It was talked about earlier in the game.
Also, I am an idiot and should've realized that it probably wouldn't have been expected to have been answered.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 09, 2014, 06:05:52 pm
TheDarkStar: Do you think the fact that you are "Confirmed Town" is a benefit or a detriment? Why?
Detriment, because it makes me a nightkill target. I wanted to play in this, too ::).
Why, hello there, everybody! What a pleasant day to do nothing!
No, it is not the only thing I need to know about. Ask U for who is scum and I will tell you.
Really? Who is scum?
Why, TheDarkStar, of course!
But he's Ur buddy, why are U rooting him out?
Not Ur buddy buddy, but Ur buddy. I's too, as a matter of fact.
True, true. Why did U vote him, then?
Actually, it was I idea to do that.
It was? I'm sure U did it, not I.
Whatever. As long as they kill us a bunch I'm fine with that.
Good, U and I are agreed then.[/u]
Wat.
TDS: How does it feel to not be scum for once?
For once? I haven't been scum in a really long time (since last January?). Actually, it would be really nice if I could finally be scum for once.
Varee//TDS: Why are you town?
Because I rolled town. Similar to Varee, I have a role that proclaims it. However, it says that it does that regardless of whether I am town or not, so it means Varee could also be scum.
TheDarkStar: Why are you confirmed town?
See above.
Post by: Tiruin on September 09, 2014, 06:09:21 pm
I don't think you answered why you're shouting out your wincon.-snip-I am asking this mostly because I got a (Bay12) role marking his name, I am wondering if he submit the role. although it probably isn't the case, since the players didn't pick the skills.
Now as for the win condition, I'll be honest here and say that I'm a Hybird Town.
Overall, My question is somewhat scummy. So I have decided to unvote Toaster.
I'll note that another question was asked by mastahcheese. Essentially, I believed people would like to know my wincon because It was talked about earlier in the game.
Also, I am an idiot and should've realized that it probably wouldn't have been expected to have been answered.
...And you changed it here in ideal, for some reason?
:OTheDarkStar: Do you think the fact that you are "Confirmed Town" is a benefit or a detriment? Why?
Detriment, because it makes me a nightkill target. I wanted to play in this, too ::).
Psst, TDS. I can swap with you to protect you.
*lifts up bus driver's hat*
I AM LYING AHAHAHAAHAHA
But really, yeah. I hilariously want to be NK'd.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 09, 2014, 06:16:50 pm
(I'll ask more questions as the opportunity arises.)
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 09, 2014, 06:18:13 pm
mastahcheese: I don't think it's particularly unfair, since there was a possibility that I wouldn't have gotten the role that gave me those -4 votes as a power. However, I do feel like a target, for some reason, since a lot of my questions were literally nothing more than 'why you have this -4', although that's probably normal, so yeah. I feel like a target, but when I think logically, it's fairly obvious I'm not actually one.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 09, 2014, 06:23:26 pm
No, it does not stop me from answering. Indeed, it did not.Tiruin: Why did you answer Toaster's question for me?It's more of answering the general idea of it. That does not stop you from answering the question.
However, by this, you take my answer as your answer?
mastahcheese:
Quote
Urist Imiknorris: You seem really picky about getting your questions answered. You mad, bro?Nope. not at all. Not mad in the slightest. I'm just really really possessive of my questions for some totally unknown reason. It's not like I LIKE them or anything...
GayArchaea: wtf is a hybrid town.
Blitz:
I feel like a target, but when I think logically, it's fairly obvious I'm not actually one.Especially since you're at zero votes.
TDS: Wouldn't you also be a protect magnet too?
Post by: GayArchaea on September 09, 2014, 06:26:01 pm
I'll admit that I told a half-truth with the first claim. The death of all anti-town factions is still a necessary part of the wincon;
It's just I also am a very selfish person and would like to make sure I live. (essentially a survivor)
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 09, 2014, 06:30:06 pm
I shouted my wincon because I wanted to prove so, or maybe I wasn't thinking too straight.
I'll admit that I told a half-truth with the first claim. The death of all anti-town factions is still a necessary part of the wincon;
It's just I also am a very selfish person and would like to make sure I live. (essentially a survivor)
You're basically claiming "I'm town!", which doesn't prove anything. Based on the way you acted, you seem to be a third-party survivor, with the town thing made up. Why did you change your claims?
Post by: notquitethere on September 09, 2014, 06:30:28 pm
NQT: A SCUM IS YOUI'm not, but my defence is: I'm not posting like half my brain has been eaten by parasitic wasps and I haven't claimed a non-town wincon, so on these fronts I'm coming out less scummy than almost half the players.
DEFEND YOURSELF
NQT is scum because reasons (actually, I just wanted to see his essay length responce for the bullshit accusation :P )Sorry to disappoint.
4mask
To those asking questions about my wincon: I have no idea who I'm allied with. I am a brother-ally, which is just... no. I win if someone else wins, and their wincon requires someone else to win. It's just... urk.And do you intend to make yourself useful to the town?
However, now that Varee decided to jump on the "lynch 4mask" bandwagon, I guess I have my first target.Not only do you OMGUS the player who has a legitimate reason to vote you (you're not town!), it's a player that we should at least give a Day 1 benefit of the doubt and believe is town given the OP. Let's not turn this into that bloody school game where the only confirmed townie was lynched Day 1.
Varee: Do you have any other reason for voting me other than the fact that I claimed non-town?
I have no idea. I'm allied with the person who has the brother alignment, and they in turn are allied with the team of the person they are brother'd too.The best way to confirm your story would be to kill you (and if you're telling the truth you might still win!)
Blitz
Everyone:What, exactly, are you expecting out of this game of Mafia?Reasons why?I'm hoping to win through clever deduction and canny use of powers. I'm expecting to lose, as is my way. What are you expecting to get out of it?
TolyK
UI, U and I are bros.Are you claiming the Brother wincon? If not, what is your wincon?
Yup, but not you. Now I know the rest.
Cheese
NotQuiteThere: Get your stat sheets out, sir or ma'am (I can't remember, sorry). What do they tell you?I usually start doing the real analytical stuff on Day 2 when there's a complete day to work with and I'm definitely invested in the game. Right now though I'm classifying players into 'town', 'third-party', 'anti-town', 'insane'. I'm willing to believe
What will happen if you don't say the 'p' word in every post?
GayArchaea, for some reason it's considered bad form to openly fish for people's roles. So your wincon is that Also, I believe someone submitted all the players in this game as roles, which means some poor sap has got the following:
Quote
notquitethere
(Auto) Impressive Loss Streak: You will lose the game.
Tiruin, do you intend to hunt scum during the day game?
Post by: Varee on September 09, 2014, 06:49:10 pm
I dont think confirmed town really affects me in anyway seeing that half the time, people tend to not believe it...
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 09, 2014, 06:59:58 pm
Post by: Persus13 on September 09, 2014, 07:12:09 pm
Also, I believe someone submitted all the players in this game as roles, which means some poor sap has got the following:While another player may have done that, some of my role submissions were bay12 names (not just current players).Quotenotquitethere
(Auto) Impressive Loss Streak: You will lose the game.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 09, 2014, 07:16:39 pm
Post by: flabort on September 09, 2014, 07:44:10 pm
Flabort: Can non-players do anything except vote for people and their ability use for wacky & hilarious reasons? May I scumhunt/lie copiously, for example?This question was asked quite a few times.
Non-players can only vote, and vote on player X's role for the night. Other content is restricted to generic questions such as this, anything else by a non-player should be edited out.
I may have not clarified, but the player with the ability with green votes picks the target, not the non-players, though they do pick what the power does that night.
Jack A T, and anyone else with a post restriction:
Failing to complete your restriction will only result in some power loss until the next day, depending on the restriction; if it's not clarified, PM me. If you have EBWOP to include your post restriction, I will count that, but from now on I'm allowing an actual edit if you initially forgot if it's before someone else posts. AKA, if it's fast enough that the <last edited by PLAYER at:> text doesn't show up. Which is about a minute or two.
Mastahcheese:
Due to a glitch in the PM, I am letting the town know that your restriction was misinterpreted by the parser, not by you, and that la dee dah it will be different from now on due to correction.
Also, as requested, I have changed the title, I apologize for forgetting, but I was in a hurry this morning.
FlabortFive opposed to the town.
Also, five? Is five the number of members of the Mafia team? Five non-town? Five with wincons directly opposed to the town?
Dangit! That wasn't Preview! (Didn't mean to post, also meant to include vote-count so far)
Post by: flabort on September 09, 2014, 08:43:36 pm
Votecount
4maskwolf (4) - Notquitethere, Varee, Persus, Persus
BlitzDungeoneer (5) - Persus, Cheeetar, 4maskwolf, 4maskwolf, 4maskwolf, 4maskwolf, 4maskwolf, 4maskwolf, Urist Imiknorris
GayArchaea (0) -
Jack A T (1) - Tiruin
Mastahcheese (0) -
Notquitethere (1) - Persus
Persus13 (0) -
SuperBlackCat (1) - Persus
TheDarkStar (1) - TolyK
TheWetSheep (0) -
Tiruin (2) - Persus, Urist Imiknorris
Toaster (1) - GayArchaea
TolyK (1) - Shakerag
Urist Imiknorris (1) - Jack A T
Varee (1) - Jack A T
Day ends Friday, Sept 12, approximately 7:00 PM (72 hours from this post).
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 09, 2014, 08:47:17 pm
I see Persus with five votes (3 normal), Jack AT with 2 (one normal), and 4maskwolf with 6 votes. Does unvoting move them?
Post by: Persus13 on September 09, 2014, 08:54:13 pm
So if this is what I think it is, then my SBC vote should be in yellow, and my TolyK vote should be normal.
Interesting...From what I can tell, your second to last vote counts, as well as your current vote, since normally 4maskwolf wouldn't be voting anyone and his other votes haven't shown up.
I see Persus with five votes (3 normal), Jack AT with 2 (one normal), and 4maskwolf with 6 votes. Does unvoting move them?
Anyway, this seems easily beaten by having people vote then unvote in the same post.
Unvote, to test.
Post by: Tiruin on September 09, 2014, 08:58:11 pm
This is awesome.
Thanks someone for day targeting me. The agenda is forwarded.
Also...err, I've taken the liberty to recolor an association I'm unsure of, Flabort
Now would be a good time to inform everyone that there is another trolling [Shakeragian] power out there that affects the votes.
Votecount
4maskwolf (4) - Notquitethere, Varee, Persus, Persus
BlitzDungeoneer (5) - Persus, Cheeetar, 4maskwolf, 4maskwolf, 4maskwolf, 4maskwolf, 4maskwolf, 4maskwolf, Urist Imiknorris
GayArchaea (0) -
Jack A T (1) - Tiruin
Mastahcheese (0) -
Notquitethere (1) - Persus
Persus13 (0) -
SuperBlackCat (1) - Persus
TheDarkStar (1) - TolyK
TheWetSheep (0) -
Tiruin (2) - Persus, Urist Imiknorris
Toaster (1) - GayArchaea
TolyK (1) - Shakerag
Urist Imiknorris (1) - Jack A T
Varee (1) - Jack A T
Day ends Friday, Sept 12, approximately 7:00 PM (72 hours from this post).
I believe the usage of a power dictates the mod announce something relevant to it--query: Flabort: In full honor as a Mod and in this game, are you explicitly bound to tell the truth or withhold it in compromisable situations of another's role? [Err, those are both connected, I'm basically saying 'Is the Mod's words fully believable? Wherein the only deviances occur in interpretation?']
Tiruin, do you intend to hunt scum during the day game?...You're joking, aren't you :V
OH NO I DIDN'T!
Unvote
NQT: What is your perception of me, as I am, currently?
Post by: flabort on September 09, 2014, 09:08:25 pm
Are you asking me about those non-player votes? It was in the start-of-day-1 post. Non-players may vote in pink.
Are you asking if I'm allowed to lie?
Only if a role forces me to, such as in the case of insane investigation results.
Are you asking if I'm allowed to ommit the truth?
As long as something is secret, I won't be allowed to tell it. That role affects the votecounts, so I can't hide that the votecounts are changed.
Are you asking why I revealed that it is a [shakeragian] role?
Well, anyone could guess that it's a shakeragian power, since no other kind of power is as likely to cause global effects as this.
Post by: Tiruin on September 09, 2014, 09:11:08 pm
Are you asking if I'm allowed to lie?These's! :D
Only if a role forces me to, such as in the case of insane investigation results.
Are you asking if I'm allowed to ommit the truth?
As long as something is secret, I won't be allowed to tell it. That role affects the votecounts, so I can't hide that the votecounts are changed.
Thanks.
ALSO YOU'RE A FISH, AND...YOU ARE STRESSED!
Hmph :I
Right, anyway, so in lieu of general understanding, here's a general query.
Everyone: Do you think it right to claim who submitted the extra roles (as in, those who submitted the roles > 2?), due to it...in my opinion, having no impact on the game at all? (due to abilities being Flabort-assigned, instead, the ones who've submitted what and which have no connection as either scum or town due to pre-game status?)
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 09, 2014, 09:21:44 pm
Everyone: Do you think it right to claim who submitted the extra roles (as in, those who submitted the roles > 2?), due to it...in my opinion, having no impact on the game at all? (due to abilities being Flabort-assigned, instead, the ones who've submitted what and which have no connection as either scum or town due to pre-game status?)
Because otherwise people can simply steal other people's claims, I suggest that we only describe unclaimed roles generally/using paraphrasing, and only claim submission when someone has claimed having that role.
Post by: Superblackcat on September 09, 2014, 10:18:37 pm
Before we start, could people clarify what the hell shakeragian, and bay12 and whatever means?
Post by: TolyK on September 09, 2014, 11:30:28 pm
Ask Tiruin, she'll say nearly the same thing.
If someone indeed challenged U and I, I would laugh and U would mock that person. You can't really kill us, even thrice.
And NQT, the possibility that our role is "brother" is fairly high...
Considering that U and I know exactly who the brother is!
Post by: TolyK on September 09, 2014, 11:31:12 pm
Post by: Superblackcat on September 10, 2014, 12:13:03 am
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 10, 2014, 12:19:34 am
NQT: Well, I'm expecting to hopefully get more experience put of this, and also lose, since that's happened in both Mafia games I was in before this. I am also, however, expecting quite a bit of entertainment from this, if only because of the sheer amount of roles.
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 01:24:38 am
U think that he means trying to kill U and I.
Oh. Well, there really isn't any profit to that, except to Chaos. You waste your action, and U and I have some !!fun!!
Post by: Varee on September 10, 2014, 01:28:18 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 10, 2014, 02:15:02 am
Cheese my boy... I'm claiming that U and I are unkillable just because it's fun.Wut.
Ask Tiruin, she'll say nearly the same thing.
How can I say nearly that same thing when I don't even know your role?! D:<
HOW DARE THEE. I CURSE IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION, PEASANT.
Or maybe its your wording? Reword that reference to me please.
Post by: Jack A T on September 10, 2014, 02:47:21 am
Unvote.
4maskwolf: How do you intend to figure out who the brother is?
However, are you government aligned, buddy? Or know of those governmental secrets? You do not need to answer this but give a sign of yes or no.Tiruin: I am part of the wider group of actors influencing public policy decisions.
Everyone: Do you think it right to claim who submitted the extra roles (as in, those who submitted the roles > 2?), due to it...in my opinion, having no impact on the game at all? (due to abilities being Flabort-assigned, instead, the ones who've submitted what and which have no connection as either scum or town due to pre-game status?)I'll reveal my information when it is optimal for the town. Remember, our submissions give us an idea of what powers are in the game, and are information of value to certain players (I'm not willing to reveal what Canadian government roles are out in the game right now, for instance, as there's a role dedicated to hunting them down).
Jack A T: Screw you, Jack.mastahcheese: Pourquoi?
I shouted my wincon because I wanted to prove so, or maybe I wasn't thinking too straight.GayArchaea: Just to be clear, do you need to be alive to win with the town? Or are the town and survivor parts separate (that is, you win with town or if alive at the end of the game)?
I'll admit that I told a half-truth with the first claim. The death of all anti-town factions is still a necessary part of the wincon;
It's just I also am a very selfish person and would like to make sure I live. (essentially a survivor)
TolyK: Do you intend to scumhunt today? Or are you just going to blather on about U and I and brothers and Tiruin and stuff? How would you respond to a vote from a non-player? If you were forced by a non-player to take one of the actions they can make you take, which would you most want to get stuck with and why?
Post by: Tiruin on September 10, 2014, 02:56:20 am
POST RESTRICTION!*tips hat*
Unvote.
4maskwolf: How do you intend to figure out who the brother is?However, are you government aligned, buddy? Or know of those governmental secrets? You do not need to answer this but give a sign of yes or no.Tiruin: I am part of the wider group of actors influencing public policy decisions.Everyone: Do you think it right to claim who submitted the extra roles (as in, those who submitted the roles > 2?), due to it...in my opinion, having no impact on the game at all? (due to abilities being Flabort-assigned, instead, the ones who've submitted what and which have no connection as either scum or town due to pre-game status?)I'll reveal my information when it is optimal for the town. Remember, our submissions give us an idea of what powers are in the game, and are information of value to certain players (I'm not willing to reveal what Canadian government roles are out in the game right now, for instance, as there's a role dedicated to hunting them down).
Then we are settled on this matter (err, the vague questioning in between anyway).
NEGATIVE SYMBOLS ARE NEGATIVE.
TolyK, brotherrr... I would like an explanation of the vague reference you've poked me back there at--if a post restriction or some farce in the formatting, I do believe it is possible to speak about it unless explicitly not told so.
It feels like you know part of my role from the wording in that post.
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 03:39:36 am
I thought so too. Not including U and I, of course.
It is not completely required for I to roleplay, but it brings great benefits.
Jack, scumhunting - probably. I wouldn't really respond to non-player votes as they just add chaos. If I was forced, I would rather investigate to get more information on people.
Why, we would love to have to investigate someone, really.
Non-players, please make I and U investigate someone.
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 03:40:27 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 10, 2014, 04:11:26 am
Was it not you who wanted people to shoot them, Tiruin?Wanted people to shoot what?
I thought so too. Not including U and I, of course.
It is not completely required for I to roleplay, but it brings great benefits.
Jack, scumhunting - probably. I wouldn't really respond to non-player votes as they just add chaos. If I was forced, I would rather investigate to get more information on people.
Why, we would love to have to investigate someone, really.
Non-players, please make I and U investigate someone.
>_>
Here come your antics again wherein its a vague reference point you pull up. I HATE IT WHEN YOU DO THAT.
But yeah, I dislike that manner of conversation :-\ You could rather ask the same poking query along with the context in question as I don't remember any intent or otherwise on my part of doing that :v
Quote it.
Also I've no idea what OOC you're talking about or what isn't. Could you requote where you stated your post limitation(?)?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 10, 2014, 04:30:13 am
NQT: What is your perception of me, as I am, currently?Why so concerned about your image?
Post by: Tiruin on September 10, 2014, 04:37:54 am
Tiruin:Que? :vNQT: What is your perception of me, as I am, currently?Why so concerned about your image?
It's concern in the notion of NQT, specifically. He has a background as a philosopher (one which I truly and mightily adore), and in my observations parses his starting queries and interrogations with a neutral eye, falling upon generally asking the target and analysis of mental extremes (for lack of a term to describe what I'm thinking). He's a very insightful man--hence my question was more on concern on how he sees things rather than 'oh my goodness [defensive mechanism, activate!]
ALSO YOUR HAIR IS UNTIDY
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 04:54:59 am
I did not reference anything vague here... Did I?}
Post by: Tiruin on September 10, 2014, 05:07:12 am
Well...your wording is vague. :v
Was it not you who wanted people to shoot them, Tiruin?^This instance above; 'Them'.
I thought so too. Not including U and I, of course.
It is not completely required for I to roleplay, but it brings great benefits.
Jack, scumhunting - probably. I wouldn't really respond to non-player votes as they just add chaos. If I was forced, I would rather investigate to get more information on people.
Why, we would love to have to investigate someone, really.
Non-players, please make I and U investigate someone.
Also...why did you claim open brother-shipness with UI? That's like Masons, right?
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 05:11:42 am
Also, I'm probably used to "them" due to gender neutrality. U thinks I wrote it logically the second time.
Post by: Varee on September 10, 2014, 05:13:17 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 10, 2014, 05:16:53 am
I'm really going to nudge you because you're playing double personality in a silly way than the realistic counter-type, but nyeh.
NITPICKS.
...That.
So, let me get this straight--you can answer with a yes or no.
> Does your posting restriction specifically mention the usage of the italic tag//underline tag to denote the split personalities?
> Is everything said by either fully trustworthy? As in, can we take every word from both as your stance as a player on the game [ie Your playing voice?]
> Compared to the above, is the italic voice your real voice?
> Is your underlined voice your real voice?
> U =/= Urist Imiknorris right? :V
Because its a case of acronym confusion on my part...
Post by: notquitethere on September 10, 2014, 05:20:34 am
NQT: Just curious; what player-role did you get? If you don't want to tell (if you think it will reveal more than you want to), though, you don't have to. I'm not trying to rolefish.Oh, it was mentioned by at least two others that they had Bay12 roles and 'mastahcheese' is playing. I just put two and two together, it's the kind of thing I would have submitted myself. Apparently though, I might be wrong:
er may have done that, some of my role submissions were bay12 names (not just current players).
Tiruin
I think it's cute how you roleplay your roles, but I also see that your posts are lacking in scumhunting content and now you're lashing out with a substanceless vote. Are you some kind of Jester or Martyr?Tiruin, do you intend to hunt scum during the day game?...You're joking, aren't you :V
OH NO I DIDN'T!
Unvote
NQT: What is your perception of me, as I am, currently?
Everyone: Do you think it right to claim who submitted the extra roles (as in, those who submitted the roles > 2?)People can claim or not claim as they deem safe to do so. I didn't submit any extra roles.
TolyK
And NQT, the possibility that our role is "brother" is fairly high...Please explain further.
Considering that U and I know exactly who the brother is!
Toaster
Just checking, what is your wincon?
Post by: Tiruin on September 10, 2014, 05:33:09 am
TiruinIt's...sorta like that, which is a very vague term to describe my role [it's more of a claimed restriction related to the role I have than a holistic being of 'me'].I think it's cute how you roleplay your roles, but I also see that your posts are lacking in scumhunting content and now you're lashing out with a substanceless vote. Are you some kind of Jester or Martyr?Tiruin, do you intend to hunt scum during the day game?...You're joking, aren't you :V
OH NO I DIDN'T!
Unvote
NQT: What is your perception of me, as I am, currently?
Now on the scumhunting--this game is pretty different from most others, so I'm taking a new approach which lies in analysis and counter-analysis...which could plainly be mistaken for being idle. This is due mostly because I'm analysing my own roles, and the constancy by which I presume most people will have then they submit many roles [ie People will submit similar roles with either the similiarity being in an attribute of the role or a function of the role {ie Shakeragian-types}]. T'would be hard to scumhunt, conventionally, due to the added number of roles that sway how a person's regular playstyle (ie playstyle NOT in a 'high "powered"' game) and the usual method of tracking--my sort of scumhunting lacks in efficiency this way, in the early days.
ALSO YOU...CALLED ME CUTE!? THAT IS...MEAN. YOU ARE MEAN! MEANIE!
Because seriously. I'm still recovering from understanding (partly due to sick me = :<, yet being EXTREMELY thankful to those guys who wish me well...) my note on before. I expected 2 roles, not 2++++++++ as an average!
Also I did note before that please do not mind my votes--they're more of a poke than a literal milestone in the lake thing.
I do believe, however, that we probably see eye-to-eye regarding the very aspect of fragility in this game? You seem to be afflicted too, with that minor note, mm? [I poke at that last line ;3]
How do you view this game and people's scumhunting compared to the vast amount of power that exists?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 10, 2014, 05:59:24 am
TolyK: Do you have any roles that are wikipedia links? This is really really important for a completely godawful reason.
You know, I think I'm gonna claim just to spice things up a bit. I am a Lyncher to TolyK. If he's NK'd I become a Town-ally. I'd really like to stick around and put my awesome abilities to use, so could we see our way to nightkilling him tonight?
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 06:07:06 am
>_>The restriction does not require italics and underline...
I'm really going to nudge you because you're playing double personality in a silly way than the realistic counter-type, but nyeh.
NITPICKS.
...That.
So, let me get this straight--you can answer with a yes or no.
> Does your posting restriction specifically mention the usage of the italic tag//underline tag to denote the split personalities?
> Is everything said by either fully trustworthy? As in, can we take every word from both as your stance as a player on the game [ie Your playing voice?]
> Compared to the above, is the italic voice your real voice?
> Is your underlined voice your real voice?
> U =/= Urist Imiknorris right? :V
Because its a case of acronym confusion on my part...
But (U)nderline and (I)talics. Both of U and I are real.
Both U and I are equally trustworthy and represent the opinion of TolyK, Inc.
I am not affiliated with any Urists. Oh, and, NQT, I currently doesn't want me to, so U won't.
UI, hmm. No Wikipedia links, but I think we can both win.
U does to. Now... what is your wincon, paraphrased? Does it include only lynching TolyK, or lynching TolyK and U and I dying?
Post by: Tiruin on September 10, 2014, 06:26:13 am
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 06:31:47 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 10, 2014, 06:33:58 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 10, 2014, 06:51:26 am
@Tiruin: So you got agenda-copy as well?
Hmm, this is more powerful than I thought.
Oh, and so you know, I know exactly why you want scum to target you.
I can do it too, only better.
Don't ask me how I know, just remember I can't vote.
@TolyK: If you think killing me thrice would be anything more than a minor irritation to me, you've no idea.
That said, I now understand why you're acting this way, and why you can't win.
I can't fix the problem, however. At least not for you.
@Jack: Because you know exactly why.
I am a member of the Canadian Government.
I challenge the hunter to kill me.
@NQT: Yes, I am playing.
Do you not realize that?
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 06:58:50 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 10, 2014, 07:01:34 am
Mmm? Agenda was a term, not anything related to my anything. I'm just happier that I got something good out of it.
@Tiruin: So you got agenda-copy as well?
Hmm, this is more powerful than I thought.
Oh, and so you know, I know exactly why you want scum to target you.
I can do it too, only better.
Don't ask me how I know, just remember I can't vote.
ALSO...THIS IS NOT A NORMAL BBCODE FOR THE FORUM COLOR. NOT NORMAL!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 10, 2014, 07:02:34 am
UI, hmm. No Wikipedia links, but I think we can both win.Just TolyK. No mention of your headmates there. But again, I'd rather you be NK'd so I can actually play the night game.
U does to. Now... what is your wincon, paraphrased? Does it include only lynching TolyK, or lynching TolyK and U and I dying?
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 07:04:33 am
What's stopping you from playing the night game before TolyK is lynched?
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 07:05:26 am
such 1337
Post by: Tiruin on September 10, 2014, 07:09:12 am
{no yes yes yes ooc}You did not answer the last question, pertaining to Urist Imik.
YOU SLY FOX. YOU CRAVEN SPY.
U does to. Now... what is your wincon, paraphrased? Does it include only lynching TolyK, or lynching TolyK and U and I dying?Since this is...err, more like not a restriction, you're roleplaying, yes?
Or did I miss anything?
Anyway, what does the U&I pertain to?
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 10, 2014, 07:10:44 am
Anybody mind helping the poor unfortunate newb?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 10, 2014, 07:11:32 am
b) Because the most reasonable time to lynch the lynchee is D1, as there is generally little information (meaning the choice of lynch is usually more flexible) and it removes a possible scum LyLo breaker ASAP (assuming the lynchee is town).
Post by: Varee on September 10, 2014, 07:16:41 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 10, 2014, 07:20:36 am
I have no idea what to do.First time in Regular Mafia huh?
Anybody mind helping the poor unfortunate newb?
YOU GONNA...FACE AGAINST NIGHTMARE DIFFICULTY. WE'RE NINTENDO AND YOU'RE GOIN' DOOOOOOWN. NEWBIE.
So the general ideal for newbies in regular games is:
> Play to their wincon
> Play to their principle of playing [ie who they are very comfortable in playing//communicating as]
Next, you'd do best in looking at your role. This isn't just a regular game, it is a High Octane Powered BYOR.
- BYOR: Is the term for a game wherein roles are customized--usually made for the fun of the mod, though with due diligence and balance as to the holistic nature of the game.
- High Octane Powered: Pertaining to the systematic continuity of roles in the game. It is high powered due to the MANY roles and connections they form with how you use them efficiently.
Meaning: You look at your wincon. You look at what is available to you, then you enact methods in which you deem best to portray achievement of that wincon based on the resources you have available.
Like we're asking you about the -4 vote thingy: You have to respond--generally, Mafia games revolve around the core values of communication. Communication is the essence of all Mafia games.
And use what you have to the best of your abilities. A Mafia game is an amalgam of discernment, utilization of personal experience to applicable methods of interpersonal analysis, and the display of who you are as a person, in how you relate with others in communication.
Varee NO U, IDLEMAN! YOU GONNA IDLE, YOU GONNA DAH!
But really, ignore the capital spasms. May I ask of you how you see scumhunting? How do you think it applies to you, as a player?
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 07:23:57 am
Speaking of which...
The problem is that you can't lynch me. You can lynch me with the most votes, but you can't actually lynch me.
...
Anyone remember that game where Nuke/Plutonium was an unkillable jester? This is similar, except I'm not a jester...
Good that you asked anyways...
I am roleplaying, yes, and when I do I get bonuses - this ooc is really only to not be an unpleasant experience to others}
Scumhunting is for newbz.
I know, rite? U knows, at least. Anyways, do I know who scum is already?
It's a damn good chance!
Post by: Varee on September 10, 2014, 07:28:17 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 10, 2014, 07:32:30 am
ALSO IT ISN'T A SPASM. IT IS A CHOICE! YOU HAVE LONG FINGERNAILS.
Also yes, I do believe you're leaning town--considering the application of TWO town-announce roles (ie Innocent Child-ish role/things?) and the appearance of FIVE [NON_TOWN](?) roles (I have no idea if UristImik falls under that...), it appears nominally balanced--however I can't help but perceive that due to this being a high-power thingy, there'd be some cards or aces in the hole later on? It's only base speculation however, and pretty crazy ones, so I'm more neutral//not choosy right now of a side on y'two or not.
Tell me Varee, do you agree with TDS' observation of that kind of power?
Post by: notquitethere on September 10, 2014, 07:41:15 am
T'would be hard to scumhunt, conventionally, due to the added number of roles that sway how a person's regular playstyle (ie playstyle NOT in a 'high "powered"' game) and the usual method of tracking--my sort of scumhunting lacks in efficiency this way, in the early days.I think pressing people on what they're saying, looking at people's cases (and other kinds of traditional scum hunting) is even easier when everyone is posting because they have hidden knowledge they're drawing on, as is the case in this game.
ALSO YOU...CALLED ME CUTE!? THAT IS...MEAN. YOU ARE MEAN! MEANIE!You're like an excitable puppy dog. You're even cuter when you use all caps.
Because seriously. I'm still recovering from understanding (partly due to sick me = :<, yet being EXTREMELY thankful to those guys who wish me well...) my note on before. I expected 2 roles, not 2++++++++ as an average!Do you think you have an understanding of all your many powers now?
Also I did note before that please do not mind my votes--they're more of a poke than a literal milestone in the lake thing.That's strange because in other games you've adamantly defended not voting people you actually somewhat suspect. What's different here?
I do believe, however, that we probably see eye-to-eye regarding the very aspect of fragility in this game? You seem to be afflicted too, with that minor note, mm? [I poke at that last line ;3]I'm not particularly fragile, just cautious.
How do you view this game and people's scumhunting compared to the vast amount of power that exists?I'm going to be watching out for people that use the high-faluting shenanigans to mask not actually hunting scum.
Urist
Oh man, are you getting defensive about a crappy vote, NQT? What do you think of this?I'm not terribly impressed, but as you're someone who isn't town I'd expect such weak play. Do you think its illegitimate to question weak cases? She'd made a fairly blatant reactionary vote when I called her out on her lack of substance (I was questioning her before hand, as you'd see if you actually read the thread), so I think I was getting offensive over the crappy vote.
TolyK: Do you have any roles that are wikipedia links? This is really really important for a completely godawful reason.What reason is that?
You know, I think I'm gonna claim just to spice things up a bit. I am a Lyncher to TolyK. If he's NK'd I become a Town-ally. I'd really like to stick around and put my awesome abilities to use, so could we see our way to nightkilling him tonight?If you're telling the truth, night killing Toly would be the correct move, but there is no particular reason to believe you're telling the truth.
Cheese, I knew you were playing, when did I indicate that you weren't? Are you going to respond to my reply (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5648011#msg5648011)to your lazy accusations?
Blitz
I have no idea what to do.Well, right now 4maskwolf is voting you for no apparent reason (seriously Wolf, what are you doing?) so you could vote for him and ask him what his case is.
Anybody mind helping the poor unfortunate newb?
Post by: Varee on September 10, 2014, 07:49:09 am
Tirurin i think TD's view of the revelation maybe due to his power is a false info so he assume other are false too. Or maybe he is just covering the fault before other point it out, last time i tried to do that other just see it as a reason to lynch mef
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 10, 2014, 07:53:03 am
I'll say you were getting offensive alright. An accusation of jesterhood is not an appropriate response to a vote, regardless of its substance (or lack thereof).
Quote
What reason is that?Is there any possibility of it not being role-related, O fisher of roles? If I was willing to divulge it I'd have done so after TolyK stated he didn't have any. My vote stays.
Post by: notquitethere on September 10, 2014, 08:21:37 am
Nqt dont just tell blitz to do omgus vote :PVoting for someone who has voted you is not automatically an OMGUS and isn't necessarily scummy: if someone is pressing an indefensible case, whether on you or someone else, then it's legitimate to vote for them.
Urist
I'll say you were getting offensive alright. An accusation of jesterhood is not an appropriate response to a vote, regardless of its substance (or lack thereof).I wasn't asking her that because she'd voted me. Tiruin asked to be nightkilled at least once in her little outbursts, in light of this my question was appropriate. Do you disagree?
I thought I'd ask in case you were willing to say but had omitted to. I think it's fine for players not to reveal everything at the drop of the hat, but I also think it's fine to ask.QuoteWhat reason is that?Is there any possibility of it not being role-related, O fisher of roles? If I was willing to divulge it I'd have done so after TolyK stated he didn't have any. My vote stays.
Post by: Toaster on September 10, 2014, 08:23:21 am
Now that my rage is out of the way (dammit flabort!) allow me to ask some questions.
Everyone:What, exactly, are you expecting out of this game of Mafia?Reasons why?
Why are you raging?
Fun, hilarity, and a good time. Also, nigh-impenetrable role interactions.
Archaea:
Toaster, What roles did you submit?
Good ones. Otherwise, I reject your blatant rolefishing.
What's the scummiest thing you've seen so far?
Mastahcheese:
Toaster: Make some toast, bastard. Answer three questions in this list directed at other people. Now.
Allow me to explain why this is a terrible thing to ask.
TolyK: You're proclaiming yourself to be basically invulnerable. Why? If someone were to challenge you on this, how would you take it?
What? I never said anything like that. Why are you falsely accusing me of things?
4maskwolf: You only sent two roles. How does it feel to not have at least some concept of what others might possess?
What makes you think that? Why are you assuming what I sent in?
TheWetSheep: Do you think it will be hard to fins scum? Why or why not?
I can fins scum just as well as any other time. I'll fins them so hard Jaws will feel it.
Why are you using the same color as Jack?
NQT:
GayArchaea is probably town because they're a new player who spilled the town wincon verbatim with no prompting in their first post (and then claiming to need to survive as well isn't that unbelievable)
Keep in mind that's in the OP and has been there since the thread started.
Also, I win when all anti-town factions are dead.
Why aren't you voting Urist I?
Tiruin:
Everyone: Do you think it right to claim who submitted the extra roles (as in, those who submitted the roles > 2?), due to it...in my opinion, having no impact on the game at all? (due to abilities being Flabort-assigned, instead, the ones who've submitted what and which have no connection as either scum or town due to pre-game status?)
I'm going to go with no, because one could use a bit of deduction to determine the (likely) roles of the submitters by the theme of roles they put in. I don't see the benefit of saying them.
Do you think it's a good idea to out people who only submitted two roles?
Urist I: How about we lynch you instead, since you pretty much guarenteed TolyK won't get NKed?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 10, 2014, 08:36:43 am
Urist I: How about we lynch you instead, since you pretty much guarenteed TolyK won't get NKed?Explain.
Post by: notquitethere on September 10, 2014, 08:42:23 am
Post by: Toaster on September 10, 2014, 08:45:46 am
Urist I: Okay.
Point 1: You are an anti-town faction, and therefore required by my wincon to eliminate.
Point 2: As a lyncher, you would become town(-ally) should TolyK die in the night.
Assumption 1: TolyK is town.
So which scenario seems more likely to you:
A: Scum nightkills TolyK. You become town(-ally). Net number of townies remains the same.
B: Scum doesn't nightkill TolyK, instead killing a different townie. You remain anti-town. Net number of townies: -1.
I think it's pretty clear.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 10, 2014, 08:49:55 am
Are you reading the same D1 opening post I am?
Someone's eyes glow, and the speak of five people hidden in the midst of the players who seek to take all the stones for themselves, and every pack in the pile.I'm not sure how wanting TolyK to be lynched falls under that description.
Toaster: Unstated Assumption 2: There are no non-scum kills.
Care to try again?
TolyK: flabort has clarified - you have to stay dead.
Post by: Toaster on September 10, 2014, 08:55:08 am
Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead. (Mafia, Cult, SK, Lyncher, and Assassin)
Assumption 2 runs afoul of Assumption 1. Let's assume there is a townie with a kill. Why should we pick you to live over TolyK? What do you have to offer to us more than he does? At best, we'd be trading one townie for another.
Post by: Shakerag on September 10, 2014, 09:21:49 am
Anyway. All aboard the BlitzDungeoneer train! Choo choo!
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 10, 2014, 09:25:12 am
4maskI do intend to work with town as much as I'm able to. I also have six votes, as this irritating voting phenomenon revealed, so I can make myself useful in that way too.To those asking questions about my wincon: I have no idea who I'm allied with. I am a brother-ally, which is just... no. I win if someone else wins, and their wincon requires someone else to win. It's just... urk.And do you intend to make yourself useful to the town?However, now that Varee decided to jump on the "lynch 4mask" bandwagon, I guess I have my first target.Not only do you OMGUS the player who has a legitimate reason to vote you (you're not town!), it's a player that we should at least give a Day 1 benefit of the doubt and believe is town given the OP. Let's not turn this into that bloody school game where the only confirmed townie was lynched Day 1.
Varee: Do you have any other reason for voting me other than the fact that I claimed non-town?I have no idea. I'm allied with the person who has the brother alignment, and they in turn are allied with the team of the person they are brother'd too.The best way to confirm your story would be to kill you (and if you're telling the truth you might still win!)
Also, screw you too buddy, I have no intention of dying any more than you do.
(Please don't take that personally...)
4maskwolf: How do you intend to figure out who the brother is?I have my ways. I was kind of hoping they'd have revealed themselves by now, but I have ways of determining who is who, don't you worry.
About the whole Urist I thing: I will reserve judgement until the following question is answered.
Flabort: Is a lyncher's target always town? I know how Jack A T ruled it in his BYOR, but would you ever make a lyncher's target non-town.
Also, I'd rather not see Blitz lynched just because of a silly troll, so superblackcat TheDarkStar notquitethere Tiruin mastahcheese Persus13
Post by: notquitethere on September 10, 2014, 09:48:22 am
NQT: If you did have a vote, where would it be?Right now, probably on Urist as even if he's telling the truth, we couldn't trust him to live until LYLO if TolyK is town and lives also. Wolf is also a strong contender.
Wolf
Are you going to justify each of those votes?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 10, 2014, 09:48:48 am
Why should we pick you to live over TolyK? What do you have to offer to us more than he does? At best, we'd be trading one townie for another.Coherent posting, for one. Additionally, there's the fact that Assumption 1 is an assumption, and anyone suspicious of TolyK would, by definition, disagree with it. Third, TolyK's wincon appears to include his survival, as hinted in italicized line #3 here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5649134#msg5649134), which would reduce his hunting effectiveness as he tries not to get NK'd. I could also list some of my many absolutely beautiful auto-abilities, but I'll just stick to claiming the doublevote that the vote list already shows I have.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 10, 2014, 09:59:22 am
WolfI'm trying to get the ridiculous number of votes I put on Blitz (as random votes) off of him without actually endangering anyone else with being lynched, so I spread them out among random people. Although I just read Persus13's hypothesis as to how the multi-votes work, so I'm going to add unvote all to see if that removes my silly number of votes from Blitz.
Are you going to justify each of those votes?
Also, NQT: I have a hypothesis since Urist Imiknorris claimed lyncher. If he's telling the truth, then unless there are two scum then I am pro-town, or at least neutral, because if I were evil then my ally, the brother, would have to be evil as well. Two scum seems like an extremely small number in a game of 13 players, particularly with the roles being as powerful as they are. As such, I would posit that the five anti-town are Urist Imiknorris and four scum.
I may be entirely incorrect, but that's the way of things, I guess.
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 10:04:16 am
Quite - either there are 2-3 scum and a scum-brother and a brother-ally...
Or there are 4 scum and Urist Imiknorris.
Or we have other crap to worry about as well.
But I still maintain that Urist can win with U, I 'n TolyK.
U do you. Heh.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 10, 2014, 10:06:58 am
But I still maintain that Urist can win with U, I 'n TolyK.Do tell.
U do you. Heh.
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 10:12:00 am
One way of getting rid of it is dying, but not now.
Problem is, dying is really really really...
... really hard. So you work with mU and I, then we'll see how we can get TolyK lynched.
Deal?
Post by: TheWetSheep on September 10, 2014, 10:16:41 am
Sheep:I meant players with the town wincon, but another condition they can fulfill to win. I realize now that I made a mistake. I read this:Toaster: How much effort will you put into killing 3rd parties/town with alternate wincons?
What would alternate wincons entail, by your definition? 3rd parties are dealt with as per normal. Townies with alternate wincons? Wouldn't that make them not townies?
Tirurin: One of my auto is telling other my wincon, I feel it is likely a simiar thing for TD.
As "telling my other wincon" - I thought he was claiming to have two.
UI
TWS: Prove your votelessness.TheWetSheep
Mastahcheese:
TheWetSheep: Do you think it will be hard to fins scum? Why or why not?Yes. Everyone's focus on abilities is making scumhunting almost impossible, and the nightgame will be so crazy that getting meaningful results will be impossible. Oh, and if we do a massclaim my head will explode.
@Tiruin: So you got agenda-copy as well?Do you have some things you want to claim or are you just going to keep saying vague things about how powerful you are?
Hmm, this is more powerful than I thought.
Oh, and so you know, I know exactly why you want scum to target you.
I can do it too, only better.
Don't ask me how I know, just remember I can't vote.
@TolyK: If you think killing me thrice would be anything more than a minor irritation to me, you've no idea.
That said, I now understand why you're acting this way, and why you can't win.
I can't fix the problem, however. At least not for you.
@Jack: Because you know exactly why.
I am a member of the Canadian Government.
I challenge the hunter to kill me.
TolyK: Answer clearly and coherently: Is your wincon Brother?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 10, 2014, 10:20:35 am
@Tiruin: What I meant was that the thing you learned? I learned it too.
You learned it because of me.
Hint. Hint.
@Toaster: YOU ARE A SHIT. STOP TRYING TO BE AS UNINFORMITIVE AS POSSIBLE.
I'D VOTE YOUR ASS IF I COULD.
@NQT: No I won't.
I like to watch you squirm.
*Waves shotgun in TWS's face*
THE FUCK YOU SAY?
As forthe color, you think I like using this?
It's a pain in the ass to type on an iPod.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 10, 2014, 10:28:01 am
The joke is, I have this funny little thing...How hard is it, and what would I need to do?
One way of getting rid of it is dying, but not now.
Problem is, dying is really really really...
... really hard. So you work with mU and I, then we'll see how we can get TolyK lynched.
Deal?
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 10:42:29 am
I'm not certified to give that info out, though.
Neither are U. But Urist wants to know how TolyK could be lynched.
Well... It would require good timing, at least. It can't possibly be done the first day, though.
I agree. It would make no sense telling him "how" right now for that reason.
Sorry, UI, U and I won't currently give out exactly how because it can't be done, and it will be able to be done starting at least D2 if not D3...
Dat colour doe... Dat poke no's 2 much.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 10, 2014, 10:53:10 am
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 11:11:24 am
Affirmative!
Confirmed.
Roger that!
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 10, 2014, 01:21:38 pm
Blitz:One of the roles I got is... unpleasant at best, and 'DAMMIT WHY U SO ANNOYING' at worst.Now that my rage is out of the way (dammit flabort!) allow me to ask some questions.
Everyone:What, exactly, are you expecting out of this game of Mafia?Reasons why?
Why are you raging?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 10, 2014, 01:54:21 pm
I hate this color.
Now then.
*Loads shotgun and points it at NQT*
You have 10 seconds to explain to me why my damn day inspect hit the wrong target.
I can night kill you if I don't like the response.
Post by: TolyK on September 10, 2014, 03:05:22 pm
Yes, thanks Cheese!
Post by: notquitethere on September 10, 2014, 04:50:24 pm
*Loads shotgun and points it at NQT*You must have been redirected or randomised (or something similar) by someone else, none of my powers would have that effect on a day inspect. If anyone else has a day power, they're welcome to corroborate this fact.
You have 10 seconds to explain to me why my damn day inspect hit the wrong target.
I can night kill you if I don't like the response.
More to the point, you're claiming an inspect and you're not claiming the result?! I assume then (if you're telling the truth) it came up town?
Post by: notquitethere on September 10, 2014, 04:51:36 pm
Also, NQT: I have a hypothesis since Urist Imiknorris claimed lyncher. If he's telling the truth, then unless there are two scum then I am pro-town, or at least neutral, because if I were evil then my ally, the brother, would have to be evil as well. Two scum seems like an extremely small number in a game of 13 players, particularly with the roles being as powerful as they are. As such, I would posit that the five anti-town are Urist Imiknorris and four scum.I can see the reasoning there, sure. So if you think Imik is a lyncher why aren't you voting him?
I may be entirely incorrect, but that's the way of things, I guess.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 10, 2014, 04:53:12 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on September 10, 2014, 05:03:43 pm
You must have been redirected or randomised (or something similar) by someone else, none of my powers would have that effect on a day inspect. If anyone else has a day power, they're welcome to corroborate this fact.
More to the point, you're claiming an inspect and you're not claiming the result?! I assume then (if you're telling the truth) it came up town?
Correct, it did in fact hit a townie.
I'm not claiming that bit, because it would make them a target, but I know who it is.
I'll see about other effects on how the power misfired, so I'll stop pointing the gun at you for now, but you're still suspect.
Awaiting other results, for now.
Post by: notquitethere on September 10, 2014, 05:07:34 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on September 10, 2014, 05:12:18 pm
If we could feel safe knowing that we'd be protected, then outing people would make things a heck of a lot simpler.
EVERYONE: Who would be comfortable with being outed as town upon inspect?
(If the person I inspected says yes, then I'll go ahead and say it.)
Post by: mastahcheese on September 10, 2014, 05:13:31 pm
Forgot the dang color things, adding here.
Post by: Varee on September 11, 2014, 01:28:50 am
Post by: Jack A T on September 11, 2014, 01:56:56 am
Quick post before sleep:
I am a Lyncher to TolyK.Okay. Urist Imiknorris.
mastahcheese: Read your role PM carefully. Did Flabort only say that you had to start your post with the colour tag? If so, I recommend doing what I'm doing: minimizing the harm.
EVERYONE: Who would be comfortable with being outed as town upon inspect?Sure.
@Toaster: YOU ARE A SHIT. STOP TRYING TO BE AS UNINFORMITIVE AS POSSIBLE.The majority of your questions in that post were tailored towards the specific people you asked and based on their in-thread behaviour. What was Toaster suppposed to do, exactly?
I'D VOTE YOUR ASS IF I COULD.
TolyK: Are U and I separate entities in-game? Are they distinct from you, TolyK?
I have no idea what to do.BlitzDungeoneer: First, get really, really drunk. Then start writing a post, make all the text bright yellow, and write in all caps. You'll blend right in.
Anybody mind helping the poor unfortunate newb?
More serious advice: perhaps apply the basic scumhunting techniques you learned? This may be chaos, but that shouldn't interfere with effective conversation too much. Even with TolyK.
I know, rite? U knows, at least. Anyways, do I know who scum is already?TolyK: Not this shit again. Explain.
It's a damn good chance!
Post by: Tiruin on September 11, 2014, 02:40:53 am
:O
@Tiruin: What I meant was that the thing you learned? I learned it too.
You learned it because of me.
Hint. Hint.
France-buddy?
WE SHALL SURRENDER-*slap*
Ok that would be more than just mean :I
Anyway...yeah.
So. Superblackcat hasn't yet posted. Flabort, poke him. >:I
And I'vebeen sick which made me miss today's school :'(
And then ton-work of assignments due tomorrow.
~~FUN~~
:O
I hate this color.
Now then.
*Loads shotgun and points it at NQT*
You have 10 seconds to explain to me why my damn day inspect hit the wrong target.
I can night kill you if I don't like the response.
You knew your target?
Post by: Tiruin on September 11, 2014, 02:46:14 am
Hold up, the scum already know who's not scum. I'm sure between us, we've got enough powers to protect anyone you call out as town. What do other players think about this?I am...wary.
With 5 non-town (mafia-brother, as I've heard? The lyncher, and the 3-manteam as far as I read?), we've got 2 CONFIRMED town. This could be balanced by 'ohey high-powered FUNFUNFUN' but...I'd rather not. Also waiting on Cheese.
Next, unsure if there's a cult (dohoho...or at least a one-shot convert, that seems to make sense too), or if singling out people is a darn good idea this early.
Post by: Varee on September 11, 2014, 03:02:16 am
On the other hand, how many casualty are we expecting on night one? I dont really understand the idea of everything is so op it is balanced, so can thoses that might have played in other game with very high power make a logical guess?
Post by: Cheeetar on September 11, 2014, 04:09:38 am
Post by: Toaster on September 11, 2014, 07:59:41 am
I wonder if someone found my old public BYOR role suggestions (from the BYOR 10 thread) and submitted "Posting restrictions! Posting restrictions for all!" from it.
"The Role That Makes Everyone Post in Iambic Pentameter"
4mask:
Two scum seems like an extremely small number in a game of 13 players, particularly with the roles being as powerful as they are.
Especially since there are 15, not 13. Interesting theory; it may have some weight.
Sheep:
Toaster:Sheep:I meant players with the town wincon, but another condition they can fulfill to win. I realize now that I made a mistake. I read this:Toaster: How much effort will you put into killing 3rd parties/town with alternate wincons?
What would alternate wincons entail, by your definition? 3rd parties are dealt with as per normal. Townies with alternate wincons? Wouldn't that make them not townies?Tirurin: One of my auto is telling other my wincon, I feel it is likely a simiar thing for TD.
As "telling my other wincon" - I thought he was claiming to have two.
Ah. In that case, it'd depend on if they were "or" or "and" wincons, and what the alternate is. AND wincons are probably not that bad, since they still want town to win. OR wincons are more dangerous, since they're more akin to a survivor in fickleness.
Mastah:
@Toaster: YOU ARE A SHIT. STOP TRYING TO BE AS UNINFORMITIVE AS POSSIBLE.
I'D VOTE YOUR ASS IF I COULD.
Ask me useful questions and I'll give you useful answers. If you don't have something to ask someone, don't invoke their name.
EVERYONE: Who would be comfortable with being outed as town upon inspect?
(If the person I inspected says yes, then I'll go ahead and say it.)
Yes, you should claim it. The point of cops not claiming town inspects before they get scum results is to cover the cop, not protect the inspected people.
Post by: Tiruin on September 11, 2014, 08:06:40 am
I argue against, in the least, in the current day anyway.EVERYONE: Who would be comfortable with being outed as town upon inspect?
(If the person I inspected says yes, then I'll go ahead and say it.)
Yes, you should claim it. The point of cops not claiming town inspects before they get scum results is to cover the cop, not protect the inspected people.
If, by what I presume MC's hints are true, the backing to the situation goes deeper than the usual which I have added context towards.
But I'd agree with the decision in the parentheses on whoever MC got--I'd like to be known if someone inspected me, too.
ALSO YOU'RE ORANGE. THAT ISN'T NORMAL.
I feel mean -_-
Post by: Varee on September 11, 2014, 08:08:52 am
Post by: TolyK on September 11, 2014, 08:28:24 am
You're getting rid of U and I?!
No, just restricting.
Oh, fine.
TolyK: Are U and I separate entities in-game? Are they distinct from you, TolyK?U and I are abstract entities that are part of me. They're really only there for roleplay.I know, rite? U knows, at least. Anyways, do I know who scum is already?TolyK: Not this shit again. Explain.
It's a damn good chance!
I have an idea who could be scum (i.e. one of the confirmed town, or both, and they'd be the only scum).
The problem is, it's really hard to check.
By the way, I have an "and" wincon.
And yes, a semi-proven town might be good if someone protects them.
Also, Cheese, if what I think just happened, then NQT didn't do anything to change your target.
Post by: Tiruin on September 11, 2014, 08:31:23 am
> Is it purely roleplay?
> Is roleplay, similar in a way, to a restriction, in your case there?
> To continue the question above: does it grant or is it connected to an advantage/bonus or similar (+ability) if you commit to it?
> You seriously poking at multiple personalities ._.
ALSO YOU REMIND ME OF A CLOWN. CLOWNS ARE SCARY.
Post by: flabort on September 11, 2014, 08:47:34 am
Flabort, How the vote count looking? I dont want to risk that shakeragian role screwing it up.....Sorry, 504 bonanza last night. I see a new version of DF this morning, so I assume that's it.
Votecount
4maskwolf (3) - Varee, Persus, Persus
BlitzDungeoneer (0) - Persus, Cheeetar, Urist Imiknorris, Shakerag
GayArchaea (0) -
Jack A T (0) -
Mastahcheese (1) - 4maskwolf
Notquitethere (4) - Persus, Tiruin, Urist Imiknorris, 4mask
Persus13 (1) - 4mask
SuperBlackCat (2) - Persus, 4mask
TheDarkStar (2) - TolyK, 4mask
TheWetSheep (-1) - SuperBlackCat
Tiruin (3) - Persus, Urist Imiknorris, 4mask
Toaster (1) - GayArchaea
TolyK (4) - Shakerag, Jack A T, Tiruin, Cheetar
Urist Imiknorris (2) - Jack A T, Toaster
Varee (0) -
Day ends Friday, Sept 12, approximately 7:00 PM (36 hours from this post).
Also on request to poke SBC, will do.
Post by: Tiruin on September 11, 2014, 08:54:17 am
It is a vote by choice, however.
Anyway, is it possible, ModFlabort for you to explain the dandy colors in the votecount there and what they mean? :o
ALSO...YELLOW IS HARD TO SEE. CONTRASTING COLORS ARE FUNNY.
Post by: Persus13 on September 11, 2014, 08:57:15 am
Post by: flabort on September 11, 2014, 08:57:53 am
As for yellow and orange, it is not in my liberty to say yet.
Post by: Toaster on September 11, 2014, 08:59:59 am
Unvote Urist I.
Urist I.
Votecount?
Post by: Persus13 on September 11, 2014, 09:01:01 am
I can say to you to compare the uncolored and the pink votes to where their owners' last voted, and you'll find them the same.Also, why am I being shown as voting SBC? I stopped voting him ages ago.
As for yellow and orange, it is not in my liberty to say yet.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 11, 2014, 09:05:52 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 11, 2014, 09:10:34 am
Apparently SBC is an anti-voter? TWS is at -1.SBC posted?
SPELLING IS HARD. HARD IS SPELLING.
Post by: Varee on September 11, 2014, 09:27:51 am
Post by: Toaster on September 11, 2014, 09:30:47 am
Post by: Varee on September 11, 2014, 09:37:45 am
Speaking of non players, What would you guys think if random people just come into the thread and vote on someone for no reason? As they cannot clarify why they are doing it, it is possible to get a lot of random people to come and lynch someone by metagame manipulation. [size=78%]Any thoughts?[/size]
Post by: TolyK on September 11, 2014, 09:50:25 am
Err, TolyK? Could I ask you to what purpose does the roleplay exist? Yeah, its not a restriction existent in your role--but:Clowning around, you might say?
> Is it purely roleplay?
> Is roleplay, similar in a way, to a restriction, in your case there?
> To continue the question above: does it grant or is it connected to an advantage/bonus or similar (+ability) if you commit to it?
> You seriously poking at multiple personalities ._.
ALSO YOU REMIND ME OF A CLOWN. CLOWNS ARE SCARY.
Quite.
It's purely roleplay. It is similar in that it's a subset. It is indeed connected to a bonus.
I can explain why exactly this roleplay when the game ends.
Also.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lsR61rEbVbc :p
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 11, 2014, 09:50:43 am
WolfPardon the phrase, but we have bigger fish to fry. Namely, the scum.Also, NQT: I have a hypothesis since Urist Imiknorris claimed lyncher. If he's telling the truth, then unless there are two scum then I am pro-town, or at least neutral, because if I were evil then my ally, the brother, would have to be evil as well. Two scum seems like an extremely small number in a game of 13 players, particularly with the roles being as powerful as they are. As such, I would posit that the five anti-town are Urist Imiknorris and four scum.I can see the reasoning there, sure. So if you think Imik is a lyncher why aren't you voting him?
I may be entirely incorrect, but that's the way of things, I guess.
However, let's turn up the heat a little.
Urist Urist Urist Urist Urist Urist, why shouldn't we lynch you right now?
Post by: notquitethere on September 11, 2014, 10:06:42 am
EVERYONE: Who would be comfortable with being outed as town upon inspect?Everyone's fine with it, spill those beans mister.
Tiruin
I am...wary.Why wouldn't you want to know who Cheese claims is town?
Also, why are you still voting me?
Varee
On the other hand, how many casualty are we expecting on night one?My guess is that it'll even out to about one kill a night, assuming lots of kills and lots of kill-counters.
Persus
Seriously, are you going to justify your broad spread of votes or not?
Urist
Do you have an actual case as to who we should lynch if not you?
Post by: Tiruin on September 11, 2014, 10:16:01 am
TiruinBecause I forgot to unvote before I got badly ill for a day. UnvoteI am...wary.Why wouldn't you want to know who Cheese claims is town?
Also, why are you still voting me?
Next...err, the wouldn't =/= associated with me being wary. I'm wary in the other sense that:
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Hold up, the scum already know who's not scum. I'm sure between us, we've got enough powers to protect anyone you call out as town. What do other players think about this?clicked a thought in my head.
Yeah, protects. Yeah, powers. But there are also converts, and all sorts of...hilarity I'd suspect in between the lines (ie High Powered Game) which caused my wary.
However considering that, MC hints at me...and I am in a position well-suited to understand what he is explicitly hinting at, of which details cannot be said ere he posts, obviously. :^
And its quite silly that
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Why wouldn't you want to know who Cheese claims is town?would hold given my post back there which supports the claim. Unless my wording is misinterpreted.
ASSUMPTIONS CAUSE WARS.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 11, 2014, 10:23:19 am
That is better.
@Tiruin: Yes, France bros, more than you know. Patron Saints and Empowerment, it seems, ma'am.
Also, upon closer inspection of the ability, the target was random, so NQT (nor anyone else) actually messed with it. I just didn't read it all the way through. (I do have a different inspect that I can target, but that one's night restriced, and I can't find a way around that one. So I'm stuck with a day crapshoot and night precise.)
But I'll make sure to target-inspect the people I really need.
But I have more tricks up my sleeve, in any case.
I'll go ahead and out the townie, then.
Superblackcat is town.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 11, 2014, 10:25:32 am
Oh, while I'm at it, TolyK is telling the truth on being unable to win.
I can't confirm anything else he spouts, but he's honest on that one.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 11, 2014, 10:35:52 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 11, 2014, 10:38:24 am
Do you know the precise terms and conditions of his unwinnability?Yes.
So long as he has the (auto) that causes his unwinnability, he can not win.
It's that simple, and evil.
Post by: TolyK on September 11, 2014, 10:42:39 am
I'm sure he had good intentions.
U could say that...
You didn't tell quite everything about it, but I'd prefer you didn't. Also I'm pretty sure NQT didn't actually do anything...
Also, don't lynch UI unless there is no other target.
Post by: Tiruin on September 11, 2014, 10:45:09 am
Superblackcat is town.Interesting ._.
WE SHALL SMITE EVIL, AND PRAISE THE SUN! YOUR ARMOR SHALL SHINE WITH THE POLISH OF A NEW AGE. ALSO, YOUR BOOT IS UNTIED.
@Tiruin: Yes, France bros, more than you know. Patron Saints and Empowerment, it seems, ma'am.Hmm, now the question is, what did you do to me.
Also, upon closer inspection of the ability, the target was random, so NQT (nor anyone else) actually messed with it. I just didn't read it all the way through. (I do have a different inspect that I can target, but that one's night restriced, and I can't find a way around that one. So I'm stuck with a day crapshoot and night precise.)
But I'll make sure to target-inspect the people I really need.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 11, 2014, 10:50:41 am
And it's not like I did anythind untowards to you, Tiru, I only got three of your powers, I don't know the rest of them.
It was before the game began, don't look at me like that!
Post by: Toaster on September 11, 2014, 10:51:56 am
Also, don't lynch UI unless there is no other target.
I say he's a perfectly cromulent target. That said, no sense going all single-minded on him.
Persus: Ignoring UI for a moment, who is the scummiest person in the game and why? Haven't seen much out of you yet.
TheDarkStar: Similarly, there's lots of discussion of setup from you, and not much hunting of scum. Are you using your supposed confirmed town status to avoid having to hunt scum?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 11, 2014, 10:55:14 am
Do you know the precise terms and conditions of his unwinnability?Yeah, no. Quit fishing, you. Also, you didn't answer my six votes attatched question. All of the votes stay.
Post by: Tiruin on September 11, 2014, 10:57:02 am
And it's not like I did anythind untowards to you, Tiru, I only got three of your powers, I don't know the rest of them.Mmmm, yeah, I didn't feel like it was anything day-actiony, but considering the state of how I understand roles and their distribution--those three powers, may I have vague hints as to what they are connected to? The role, that is?
It was before the game began, don't look at me like that!
Because I'm confused. I only sent in two roles--knowing how I understood it, those roles cannot be distributed as they are not extras.
LAUNCH THE CRUSADE, SWING YOUR SWORD HIGH. PRAISE THE LORD. YOUR SOCK HAS A HOLE IN IT.
Next, are those roles human? I'm sure that in memory, this precludes any kind of hilarious role that lets you copy/steal powers because 'knowledge of whole name or near details', hence why I poke on vagueness.
Post by: TolyK on September 11, 2014, 11:00:13 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 11, 2014, 11:06:48 am
@Tiruin: Trust me, and understand the power of true names of roles, I... Have some experience there. (It's actually the whole reason I can day inspect, to be honest. I'm abusing the capibility of a couple different powers. Theoretically, I can do anything if I'm clever enough.)
But as for which they are, so you know.
I can't vote, but you can.
You should be able to figure that one out, and the other two stem from the same role. (I got it by role, so the powers attached to such are what they are.)
That's why you got the memo, as well.
Post by: Shakerag on September 11, 2014, 11:45:09 am
Post by: Persus13 on September 11, 2014, 12:46:58 pm
PersusHuh? Can you clarify?
Seriously, are you going to justify your broad spread of votes or not?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 11, 2014, 01:21:25 pm
NQT:
UristConsidering a Jester wins by being lynched, not NK'd, I do disagree.I'll say you were getting offensive alright. An accusation of jesterhood is not an appropriate response to a vote, regardless of its substance (or lack thereof).I wasn't asking her that because she'd voted me. Tiruin asked to be nightkilled at least once in her little outbursts, in light of this my question was appropriate. Do you disagree?
As for alternate lynches, Toaster and Jack are both taking the effortless+semi-justifiable route, with Toaster even going so far as to ignore the defense (which is absolutely never the right thing to do), and I'm still suspicious of you for that overreaction.
Tiruin:
There's a brother floating around, and 4maskwolf is a brother-ally. Additionally, I rather doubt that I count among the five, as my wincon in no way matches up to the given flavor for them.Hold up, the scum already know who's not scum. I'm sure between us, we've got enough powers to protect anyone you call out as town. What do other players think about this?I am...wary.
With 5 non-town (mafia-brother, as I've heard? The lyncher, and the 3-manteam as far as I read?), we've got 2 CONFIRMED town. This could be balanced by 'ohey high-powered FUNFUNFUN' but...I'd rather not. Also waiting on Cheese.
4mask:
Urist Urist Urist Urist Urist Urist, why shouldn't we lynch you right now?Remember when I asked TolyK if any of his roles contained wikipedia links? Here, have a taste: As long as I'm alive, any player with a wikipedia link in their role is bulletproof.
Also, lynching me would provide far less useful information with which to build suspicions. (because the lynch would be based entirely on a known premise, instead of requiring a case formed from hunting)
Persus: I think he's demanding that you explain why you've got six votes up on the board, despite you already explaining that you have three votes and the mod explaining that prior votes count.
TolyK: Jesus, that's a hell of an auto. Would you like me to remove a random power from you tonight?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 11, 2014, 01:35:48 pm
There's a brother floating around, and 4maskwolf is a brother-ally. Additionally, I rather doubt that I count among the five, as my wincon in no way matches up to the given flavor for them.
Quote from: Town Wincon
You win when all anti-Town factions are dead. (Mafia, Cult, SK, Lyncher, and Assassin)
Post by: Persus13 on September 11, 2014, 01:36:27 pm
Persus:I have to vote 2-3 people. I think I could vote myself, but I don't really know. I can check that in a second. If I change one, I can keep the others the same, but I have to revote them in that particular post.Toaster: Do you think Varee and TheDarkStar are actually town?
I'm not buying them as 100% confirmed just yet.
Can they be the same three people? Can one be yourself? If you change one, can you keep the other two the same?
Persus: Ignoring UI for a moment, who is the scummiest person in the game and why? Haven't seen much out of you yet.Likely Varee, for a reason I'll go into more detail once he answers my question.
Varee:
Some real question, what do you guys think about a no lynch d1 on a game with this scale, for me it will be pretty sad if someone get kill before they can try flabort crazy roles, also i believe that there a lot of info to be gain in the night anyway so a lynch is less important? Well i kinda not like lynch in the first place so opinions?No lynch D1? This game might be for fun, but winning it is still a goal.
Can you describe your power that reveals your alignment more thoroughly?
4maskwolf:
Persus13: Thought I was out of votes? You thought wrong. Do you personally think Varee and TDS are confirmed?No. But I am giving them a greater benefit of the doubt then other players.
I happen to have knowledge of two more categories of roles in existence: one because I have one, and one because one of my powers references it. These are, in no particular order, Elemental and Bay12er.I was also aware of those categories.
Also, NQT: I have a hypothesis since Urist Imiknorris claimed lyncher. If he's telling the truth, then unless there are two scum then I am pro-town, or at least neutral, because if I were evil then my ally, the brother, would have to be evil as well. Two scum seems like an extremely small number in a game of 13 players, particularly with the roles being as powerful as they are. As such, I would posit that the five anti-town are Urist Imiknorris and four scum.Why four scum, not 3 scum and an SK?
Jack A T:
Persus13: How do you intend to use your many votes? Can you see any situations where this ability may be beneficial?I'll likely put two votes on my top suspect, and one on my second one. I can see my vote being useful in preventing a mislynch in a close situation by voting the person I think is scum with two votes and voting someone else who isn't getting votes with my other vote. Although one vote seems to be stuck to SBC.
GayArchaea
I believe someone a while back asked about my previous Mafia experience. this is my first online mafia, but I had offline experience a few years ago.Welcome to Mafia, you basically chose to jump off the deep end before learning to swim, but here's some tips.
Before anyone asks, my wincon is that all anti-town factions are dead.
Toaster, What roles did you submit?
Ask lots of questions, if you see something strange, poke at it, and defending yourself isn't bad, its when you over defend yourself at the expense of hunting scum.
Also, asking what roles people submitted is generally a bad idea, and is called rolefishing.
Mastahcheese:
Persus13: How many times would you have to get shot in the face before you started to get worried?Uh, what are you trying to ask. I don't think I'd be alive after getting shot in the face.
Tiruin:
Everyone: Do you think it right to claim who submitted the extra roles (as in, those who submitted the roles > 2?), due to it...in my opinion, having no impact on the game at all? (due to abilities being Flabort-assigned, instead, the ones who've submitted what and which have no connection as either scum or town due to pre-game status?)No, as it still has a small effect on what people will claim. I think claiming this around mass claim time would be more appropriate.
He's posted a few times, but they've all been pretty short. I'm more interested in the fact that he never voted.Apparently SBC is an anti-voter? TWS is at -1.SBC posted?
SPELLING IS HARD. HARD IS SPELLING.
Everyone: I just read through the thread, and my TolyK went to SBC instead, while SBC hasn't voted in game, and he currently is recorded as inverse voting TWS. Anyone have an idea what's behind that?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 11, 2014, 01:40:04 pm
sk's count as scum in my book. I'm just making the point of why I think I'm at least neutral to the town.Also, NQT: I have a hypothesis since Urist Imiknorris claimed lyncher. If he's telling the truth, then unless there are two scum then I am pro-town, or at least neutral, because if I were evil then my ally, the brother, would have to be evil as well. Two scum seems like an extremely small number in a game of 13 players, particularly with the roles being as powerful as they are. As such, I would posit that the five anti-town are Urist Imiknorris and four scum.Why four scum, not 3 scum and an SK?
It's going to suck if the brother is brother to a survivor, and I'm allied to him, and then the survivor dies and we both lose.
4mask:...Urist Urist Urist Urist Urist Urist, why shouldn't we lynch you right now?Remember when I asked TolyK if any of his roles contained wikipedia links? Here, have a taste: As long as I'm alive, any player with a wikipedia link in their role is bulletproof.
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unvote all, Blitz Blitz TolyK TolyK 4mask 4mask, unvote all
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 11, 2014, 01:40:46 pm
Urist Imiknorris: Is what you said to 4mask true? Because my roles had Wikipedia links...
Tiruin: From what I know, you are at least somewhat experienced with Mafia. What are your reads on anybody who's posted so far?
mastahcheese: I am okay with being outed, yes. Am I replying correctly?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 11, 2014, 01:42:30 pm
Tiruin: From what I know, you are at least somewhat experienced with Mafia....
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Tiruin was the mod of my first BM, my first ever game of mafia. I'd say she's a little more than "somewhat experienced".
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 11, 2014, 01:49:17 pm
Figured as much, but didn't want to assume.Tiruin: From what I know, you are at least somewhat experienced with Mafia....
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Tiruin was the mod of my first BM, my first ever game of mafia. I'd say she's a little more than "somewhat experienced".
Also, I'm not entirely sure how you expected me to know that, but yeah, sure.
Allow me to rephrase that.
Tiruin: As a very experience player, what are your reads in everyone so far?
Post by: Toaster on September 11, 2014, 01:50:20 pm
Toaster even going so far as to ignore the defense
Since when is "TolyK's posting style is crap" and "he MIGHT not be town" a defense? Yes, I saw his "must live" conditioning, but that does NOT equate Survivor if he still needs a town win. Plus, he just scaled back the RP several notches.
You (as claimed) only become town if someone kills TolyK in the night which your own abilities might prevent, and I believe he said he couldn't die this cycle anyway, so it'd be at best D3 before you're actually a townie. Why not just lynch you now and remove any worry about it?
4mask:
There's a brother floating around, and 4maskwolf is a brother-ally. Additionally, I rather doubt that I count among the five, as my wincon in no way matches up to the given flavor for them.Quote from: Town WinconYou win when all anti-Town factions are dead. (Mafia, Cult, SK, Lyncher, and Assassin)
I pointed that out and it didn't make much difference to him.
4mask:...Urist Urist Urist Urist Urist Urist, why shouldn't we lynch you right now?Remember when I asked TolyK if any of his roles contained wikipedia links? Here, have a taste: As long as I'm alive, any player with a wikipedia link in their role is bulletproof.
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unvote all, Blitz Blitz TolyK TolyK 4mask 4mask, unvote all
And you believe him? Just like that?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 11, 2014, 01:51:18 pm
Persus
Mastahcheese:You can't survive getting shot in the face?Persus13: How many times would you have to get shot in the face before you started to get worried?Uh, what are you trying to ask. I don't think I'd be alive after getting shot in the face.
You won't last long here.
Blitz
mastahcheese: I am okay with being outed, yes. Am I replying correctly?Yeah, you are.
If I inspect you and you're good, I'll say so.
That makes pretty everybody who's replied to it say yes.
Post by: TolyK on September 11, 2014, 01:55:20 pm
TolyK: Jesus, that's a hell of an auto. Would you like me to remove a random power from you tonight?Uh... No?
It probably wouldn't work, in any case, and I don't really want to risk losing anything else that's good.
Of course, it's your choice, but since you asked. :p
Also, Persus, your what? Vote on me?
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Everyone: I just read through the thread, and my TolyK went to SBC instead, while SBC hasn't voted in game, and he currently is recorded as inverse voting TWS. Anyone have an idea what's behind that?
TolyK's mine, not yours.
Yeah, he belongs to U and I.
Either way, I don't think I have anything affecting votes in my arsenal...
Also. Abysmally useless ability ftw 😤
Post by: mastahcheese on September 11, 2014, 01:58:15 pm
Well, to be fair, my ability only let me see a random auto of yours, and it just so happened to be the one that let me know you were telling the truth.
As opposed to, say, the one that makes you invulnerable, that I was hoping to see.
Post by: Persus13 on September 11, 2014, 01:58:57 pm
Also, Persus, your what? Vote on me?That would be correct. Perhaps SBC has a vote magnet ability or something.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 11, 2014, 02:00:24 pm
Unvote
Does that make a "past vote" on TDS, even though I can't vote?
Votecount, I want to see this.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 11, 2014, 02:26:36 pm
Urist I:Since when if "assume the lynchee is town" an attack?Toaster even going so far as to ignore the defense
Since when is "TolyK's posting style is crap" and "he MIGHT not be town" a defense? Yes, I saw his "must live" conditioning, but that does NOT equate Survivor if he still needs a town win. Plus, he just scaled back the RP several notches.
As for the surviving being a detriment to his hunting, it is only natural that he not want to be mafiakilled, which would lead to him not doing things that could attract the mafiakill (like, for instance, being a pain in the mafia's ass) But that seems to be irrelevant anyway, as his auto-loss would appear to be the actual cause of the survivor-hint.
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You (as claimed) only become town if someone kills TolyK in the night which your own abilities might prevent, and I believe he said he couldn't die this cycle anyway, so it'd be at best D3 before you're actually a townie. Why not just lynch you now and remove any worry about it?TolyK already stated that none of his roles had wikipedia links. Besides, I can test his invulnerability, and considering his answer to my question, plan to do so.
As for why you shouldn't lynch me now, it's quite simply because lynching mafia now would be more beneficial to the town. So, a question to you: Who do you think is actual scum, and why aren't you pressing them?
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4mask:Because I'm not arguing from the perspective of the alignment list. I'm arguing from the D1 opening flavor, which stated there were five who wanted to, and I quote, "take all the stones for themselves, and every pack in the pile," which, as that is rather far from my wincon, makes me doubt I am one of them.There's a brother floating around, and 4maskwolf is a brother-ally. Additionally, I rather doubt that I count among the five, as my wincon in no way matches up to the given flavor for them.Quote from: Town WinconYou win when all anti-Town factions are dead. (Mafia, Cult, SK, Lyncher, and Assassin)
I pointed that out and it didn't make much difference to him.
Post by: flabort on September 11, 2014, 02:27:48 pm
hate full-time
Post by: TolyK on September 11, 2014, 02:39:53 pm
U too.
And I don't really give a hoot about the scum kill.
Post by: Toaster on September 11, 2014, 02:41:46 pm
Toaster:Urist I:Since when if "assume the lynchee is town" an attack?Toaster even going so far as to ignore the defense
Since when is "TolyK's posting style is crap" and "he MIGHT not be town" a defense? Yes, I saw his "must live" conditioning, but that does NOT equate Survivor if he still needs a town win. Plus, he just scaled back the RP several notches.
It's not, but that's not why I'm voting you. I'm voting you because you're directly opposed to my wincon, and I don't have enough trust in you to keep you around.
Also, you didn't actually respond to my attack on your argument.
As for why you shouldn't lynch me now, it's quite simply because lynching mafia now would be more beneficial to the town. So, a question to you: Who do you think is actual scum, and why aren't you pressing them?
I don't really believe you.
I think you're actual scum, but I define "scum" as anyone anti-town, which includes lynchers. Assuming you meant who I think is Mafia, I'm still working on sussing that out, hence me opening lines on Persus and TDS.
Because I'm not arguing from the perspective of the alignment list. I'm arguing from the D1 opening flavor, which stated there were five who wanted to, and I quote, "take all the stones for themselves, and every pack in the pile," which, as that is rather far from my wincon, makes me doubt I am one of them.
I find arguments from flavor far-fetched, but I'll indulge you for a second.
Flabort: Does flavor have any impact on gameplay?
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 11, 2014, 04:51:06 pm
TolyK:Also, don't lynch UI unless there is no other target.
I say he's a perfectly cromulent target. That said, no sense going all single-minded on him.
Persus: Ignoring UI for a moment, who is the scummiest person in the game and why? Haven't seen much out of you yet.
TheDarkStar: Similarly, there's lots of discussion of setup from you, and not much hunting of scum. Are you using your supposed confirmed town status to avoid having to hunt scum?
I've been gone for about a day and a half because I kept getting 504s from trying to access the forums. I haven't scumhunted much because I haven't posted much. My question to you is why you're changing the focus from your scumminess/not scumminess to other people.
flabort:
Question: are night actions limited to one per player per night or one per role per night?
Requoting.
Everyone:
To sum up the last several pages, UI is a lyncher whose target can't die of lynching right now because of UI's role, 4maskwolf is a daycop (feel free to reveal me as town if you check me), toaster is also suspected (Why? Summarize it please.), TolyK has an awful post restriction, and mastahcheese has an even worse post restriction. Also, did I miss any other questions directed at me?
Post by: Tiruin on September 11, 2014, 04:59:35 pm
Tiruin:I think I'm missing something but when was that stated?There's a brother floating around, and 4maskwolf is a brother-ally. Additionally, I rather doubt that I count among the five, as my wincon in no way matches up to the given flavor for them.Hold up, the scum already know who's not scum. I'm sure between us, we've got enough powers to protect anyone you call out as town. What do other players think about this?I am...wary.
With 5 non-town (mafia-brother, as I've heard? The lyncher, and the 3-manteam as far as I read?), we've got 2 CONFIRMED town. This could be balanced by 'ohey high-powered FUNFUNFUN' but...I'd rather not. Also waiting on Cheese.
THIS IS NOT FUN
Everyone:I'm not even considered?
To sum up the last several pages, UI is a lyncher whose target can't die of lynching right now because of UI's role, 4maskwolf is a daycop (feel free to reveal me as town if you check me), toaster is also suspected (Why? Summarize it please.), TolyK has an awful post restriction, and mastahcheese has an even worse post restriction. Also, did I miss any other questions directed at me?
PFP
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 11, 2014, 05:26:49 pm
Tiruin:I think I'm missing something but when was that stated?There's a brother floating around, and 4maskwolf is a brother-ally. Additionally, I rather doubt that I count among the five, as my wincon in no way matches up to the given flavor for them.Hold up, the scum already know who's not scum. I'm sure between us, we've got enough powers to protect anyone you call out as town. What do other players think about this?I am...wary.
With 5 non-town (mafia-brother, as I've heard? The lyncher, and the 3-manteam as far as I read?), we've got 2 CONFIRMED town. This could be balanced by 'ohey high-powered FUNFUNFUN' but...I'd rather not. Also waiting on Cheese.
THIS IS NOT FUNEveryone:I'm not even considered?
To sum up the last several pages, UI is a lyncher whose target can't die of lynching right now because of UI's role, 4maskwolf is a daycop (feel free to reveal me as town if you check me), toaster is also suspected (Why? Summarize it please.), TolyK has an awful post restriction, and mastahcheese has an even worse post restriction. Also, did I miss any other questions directed at me?
PFP
I missed that. What is it about you that happened?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 11, 2014, 05:41:20 pm
4mask isn't the day cop, I'm the day cop.
*Bops TDS*
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 11, 2014, 05:47:05 pm
Nope.
4mask isn't the day cop, I'm the day cop.
*Bops TDS*
*is bopped*
Whoops.
4mask is has 6 (x2) votes.
Post by: Tiruin on September 11, 2014, 06:08:48 pm
Nope.Confirmed.
4mask isn't the day cop, I'm the day cop.
*Bops TDS*
I am French-Buddy.
YOU LEFT YOUR BADGE IN THE RAIN. IT IS RUSTY NOW. AHAAH!
Post by: Varee on September 11, 2014, 06:26:55 pm
@persus :the power is pretty much an auto that say everyone knows my wincon.
Post by: Tiruin on September 11, 2014, 06:30:17 pm
Pfp...Didn't you say it was also like TDS' in which the alignment was still...err, question-possible?
@persus :the power is pretty much an auto that say everyone knows my wincon.
NEGATIVITY! I AM NOT A PUPPY.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 11, 2014, 06:40:41 pm
Pfp...Didn't you say it was also like TDS' in which the alignment was still...err, question-possible?
@persus :the power is pretty much an auto that say everyone knows my wincon.
Yeah, this is bugging me. Varee is using his town-claiming role as a defense after I've pointed out that it's worthless.
Post by: Varee on September 11, 2014, 06:44:48 pm
I said that i question TDs claim as he believe my claim is fake so it is likely that his is fake so he question mine as well. Sorry if this doesnt make sense am sorry i just woke up ....
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 11, 2014, 07:08:36 pm
Am just answering a the question..
I said that i question TDs claim as he believe my claim is fake so it is likely that his is fake so he question mine as well. Sorry if this doesnt make sense am sorry i just woke up ....
The auto description says that I'm declared town whether or not I am. Of course it has no meaning; I told everyone that several pages ago. The thing that bothers me is that you're using it as a shield without consideration for how valid it is.
Post by: flabort on September 11, 2014, 08:37:12 pm
Spoiler: Darkling (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Non-Darkling (click to show/hide)
Day ends Friday, Sept 12, approximately 7:00 PM (roughly 24 hours from this post).
My whiteboard had the names in a different order from the posted count, so I redid the votecount from scratch, and hopefully corrected and caught any mistakes.
ModEdit: Oh, and to answer that in thread question somewhere, each player may use one power per phase, except where autos increase or decrease the number of powers you are able to use.
Post by: TheWetSheep on September 11, 2014, 08:51:08 pm
TDS:
The auto description says that I'm declared town whether or not I am.Why would it even say that if you're town?
PPE: So many eye-burning colours in the votecount. From the looks of it it might be hard to lynch the people we're trying to.
Post by: flabort on September 11, 2014, 09:15:41 pm
Oh, wait. I'm using Darkling. What happens if I take off the metaphorical sunglasses.
8) -> :) -> :o -> :'(
I'm sorry for those colors. I will make an edit to the post.
Post by: Tiruin on September 11, 2014, 09:44:59 pm
It's not THAT eye-burning...Dohohoho, people still use normal forum format.
Oh, wait. I'm using Darkling. What happens if I take off the metaphorical sunglasses.
8) -> :) -> :o -> :'(
I'm sorry for those colors. I will make an edit to the post.
HERE IS DARKLING. FEEL THE BURN. COLOR CONSTANCY WINS OVER YOU! O0
Also I really feel that there's a catch to TolyK's...err, thing.
Was it Superblackcat who had the Auto of 'not being able to win'? That's...like a paradox. Confusing due to lacking details.
PFP
TDS:Is it phrased equally like Varee's, TDS?The auto description says that I'm declared town whether or not I am.Why would it even say that if you're town?
Unvote all
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 11, 2014, 09:51:13 pm
There is too much posting to keep track of. Also too many role abilities.
TDS:The auto description says that I'm declared town whether or not I am.Why would it even say that if you're town?
PPE: So many eye-burning colours in the votecount. From the looks of it it might be hard to lynch the people we're trying to.
The best that I can come up with is that there's a role that the auto fits very well (It's along the lines of Innocent Civilain or Townie). I agree that it is odd; does anyone have another idea? I suppose that it might be move-around-able; there could also be a role that someone has that uses this power.
TDS:Is it phrased equally like Varee's, TDS?The auto description says that I'm declared town whether or not I am.Why would it even say that if you're town?
Unvote all
How would I know? Someone who can check this should do it, though.
Post by: Superblackcat on September 11, 2014, 09:57:45 pm
I also have a random.org auto voter on me, so I'm not quite sure what I'm voting currently. G'Luck friends <3
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 11, 2014, 11:06:19 pm
Post by: TolyK on September 11, 2014, 11:13:49 pm
Who do you call?
U and I investigation!
Unvote
So, uh. None of the lynch candidates are something that I like.
(i.e. Me, 4mask, UI).
Thus... Blitz? Completely baseless, but it will do for now.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 11, 2014, 11:18:56 pm
It's not THAT eye-burning...Sigged
Oh, wait. I'm using Darkling. What happens if I take off the metaphorical sunglasses.
8) -> :) -> :o -> :'(
I'm sorry for those colors. I will make an edit to the post.
Post by: TolyK on September 11, 2014, 11:22:35 pm
It appears you've made a mistake, TolyK.
What do you mean?
U didn't vote correctly, you didn't either.
What on earth do you mean?
I should've voted NQT...
Why's that?
U need a reason?
Post by: Superblackcat on September 11, 2014, 11:42:34 pm
TDS: Are you town? Or does that just say you are town while you could be not town?
Post by: Varee on September 12, 2014, 12:42:56 am
Post by: Jack A T on September 12, 2014, 01:17:41 am
Extend. Less than 24 hours left to the day and we've really gotten nowhere.
So, uh. None of the lynch candidates are something that I like.TolyK: Please explain why you don't like the non-you candidates.
(i.e. Me, 4mask, UI).
With 5 non-town (mafia-brother, as I've heard? The lyncher, and the 3-manteam as far as I read?), we've got 2 CONFIRMED town.Tiruin: Do you believe that the announcements of towniness are safe to depend on, particularly with TheDarkStar's claims about his announcement power?
Huh?Nope.Confirmed.
4mask isn't the day cop, I'm the day cop.
*Bops TDS*
I am French-Buddy.
YOU LEFT YOUR BADGE IN THE RAIN. IT IS RUSTY NOW. AHAAH!
mastahcheese: You missed a question:
The majority of your questions in that post were tailored towards the specific people you asked and based on their in-thread behaviour. What was Toaster suppposed to do, exactly?
Toaster: About how strongly would you need to suspect someone of being Mafia to move your vote away from Urist Imiknorris and on to your mafia suspect?
Toaster and Jack are both taking the effortless+semi-justifiable routeUrist Imiknorris: Basically. Effortless to vote for the person who has claimed to be blocking a town victory by living. Justifiable because of that. Unless I find a better target, which I hope to do soonish, my vote stays.
Varee is using his town-claiming role as a defense after I've pointed out that it's worthless.TheDarkStar: I really don't see this. All I see is him saying, when asked, that his alignment announcer announces his alignment and is not like what you claimed. I don't see him hiding behind it, or even bringing it up without being specifically asked about it. Can you explain this case?
I should've voted NQT...TolyK: ...argh.
Why's that?
U need a reason?
Post by: TolyK on September 12, 2014, 01:47:05 am
I'd much rather no-lynch or lynch someone who wouldn't actually die (I'm a possible candidate).
Post by: Tiruin on September 12, 2014, 03:14:20 am
Huh?Unlike this one. Which is just randomvoteNQT.
It appears you've made a mistake, TolyK.
What do you mean?
U didn't vote correctly, you didn't either.
What on earth do you mean?
I should've voted NQT...
Why's that?
U need a reason?
>_> TolyK. You aren't just fooling around with 'ohey I'm [lynch = no-ish]'...because its annoying at times.
THAT IS ANNOYING.
sbc sbc sbc sbc sbc sbc, do you have anything more substantial to say?Do you WANT to lynch a confirmed Townie, bud? >:I
Post by: Tiruin on September 12, 2014, 03:25:43 am
I had a paradoxical Shakeragain, where none of my abilities worked until someone used their ability on me......Kittycaaaat, are you responsible for all the Shakeragian roles in play? :3
I also have a random.org auto voter on me, so I'm not quite sure what I'm voting currently. G'Luck friends <3
BECAUSE I'LL HATE YOU FOR THAT.
Though query: Explicitly an 'ability' or do you mean an Ability, not an Auto, or anything like such.
Post by: TolyK on September 12, 2014, 04:23:41 am
Noooo...
Well crap.
Anyways, about who to lynch...
"Not enough data for meaningful answer".
Post by: notquitethere on September 12, 2014, 05:18:54 am
Superblackcat is town.Is this true?
Tiruin
But there are also converts, and all sorts of...hilarity I'd suspect in between the lines (ie High Powered Game) which caused my wary.You're the only person to have mention conversions. Do you have any reason to suppose that a cult would be likely in this game?
Cheese
Yes.How do you know this?
So long as he has the (auto) that causes his unwinnability, he can not win.
It's that simple, and evil.
Persus
Look at the vote count: you're voting for a whole bunch of people. Why? What's your case?Seriously, are you going to justify your broad spread of votes or not?Huh? Can you clarify?
Everyone: I just read through the thread, and my TolyK went to SBC instead, while SBC hasn't voted in game, and he currently is recorded as inverse voting TWS. Anyone have an idea what's behind that?No, but the game will become steadily less chaotic as more people die.
Imiknorris
Considering a Jester wins by being lynched, not NK'd, I do disagree.I also asked her if she was a martyr, and behaving erratically (like she is) is one way to get herself lynched. You're just splitting hairs.
As for alternate lynches, Toaster and Jack are both taking the effortless+semi-justifiable route, with Toaster even going so far as to ignore the defense (which is absolutely never the right thing to do), and I'm still suspicious of you for that overreaction.Your suspicion makes no sense whatsoever. Questioning absent cases is not a scum tell.
TolyK
I should've voted NQT...Yes, you need a reason to be voting me at this stage. Why aren't you voting the person who has claimed to be your lyncher?!
Why's that?
U need a reason?
Post by: TolyK on September 12, 2014, 06:40:03 am
a) He can't lynch me anyways.
b) He might be required for my personal win (!)
c) He supposedly stops a lot of NK's
d) I have info I don't want to disclose just yet which is relevant to votes.
I voted one of the people with least votes because I won't actually lynch them, you see?
Post by: notquitethere on September 12, 2014, 06:55:39 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 12, 2014, 07:19:54 am
4mask, do you mind explaining your need to repeat my name 5 times? does that give me 5 votes? and why are you voting me when I'm obviously town?Oh hell I completely spaced on that... That's what I get for posting tired...
TDS: Are you town? Or does that just say you are town while you could be not town?
NQT NQT NQT NQT NQT NQT unvote all, my apologies SBC.
My vote against NQT has one simple reason: he voted a third-party, a possibly friendly third party, mind you, in favor of actually finding scum to lynch, and seemed fairly content with doing so.
Post by: TolyK on September 12, 2014, 07:32:42 am
Hark! A new post!
What a surprise...
4mask... Wtf?
I'd say unvote.
no no no, back to Blitz
Post by: notquitethere on September 12, 2014, 07:44:39 am
NQT, because you can't lynch me even if I'm not town, and secondly because I might very well be town.Well you're either town or you're not town, you've indicated that you're not town so what is your wincon?
Wolf
My vote against NQT has one simple reason: he voted a third-party, a possibly friendly third party, mind you, in favor of actually finding scum to lynch, and seemed fairly content with doing so.What are you talking about? I don't have a vote! Also, it's a tall order to ask me to take all these third party claims at face value. In case you weren't aware, mafia are well capable of fakeclaiming just like anyone else. Not one part of your 'one simple reason' is true.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 12, 2014, 07:56:09 am
WolfBullshit. You sure as hell tried:My vote against NQT has one simple reason: he voted a third-party, a possibly friendly third party, mind you, in favor of actually finding scum to lynch, and seemed fairly content with doing so.What are you talking about? I don't have a vote! Also, it's a tall order to ask me to take all these third party claims at face value. In case you weren't aware, mafia are well capable of fakeclaiming just like anyone else. Not one part of your 'one simple reason' is true.
All those in favour of lynching 4mask, say "4maskwolf"!Also, two questions:
A. If I wasn't third party, why would I claim not-town on my second post (which was posted directly after my first).
B. there are, IIRC, two third party claims: me and UI. Which one of us would you rather see lynched?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 12, 2014, 08:05:04 am
cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese is lying. He can't have gotten that inspection result.
Post by: notquitethere on September 12, 2014, 08:10:37 am
Bullshit. You sure as hell tried:Sure, if you'll notice that was my first post of the game and I was working on the best info available at the time. You're certainly not town, so you're definitely in the pool of people from which we should be picking lynch candidates.All those in favour of lynching 4mask, say "4maskwolf"!
Also, two questions:A: You probably are 3rd party, but you might not be. And even you admit you've got a chance of being a hostile third-party even if you are telling the truth. Your haphazard use of your vote doesn't fill me with great confidence that your survival will be an asset to the town.
A. If I wasn't third party, why would I claim not-town on my second post (which was posted directly after my first).
B. there are, IIRC, two third party claims: me and UI. Which one of us would you rather see lynched?
B: Urist, as my wincon is to defeat all anti-town factions, and he's claimed Lyncher which is on the list as anti-town. As you seem to have missed it: Toly has pretty much said he's not town and GayArchaea claims to be a hybrid survivor town.
cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese is lying. He can't have gotten that inspection result.Why's that?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 12, 2014, 08:14:57 am
@Jack: I asked him that to see if he'd do his best to avoid being useful, or actually try to promote scumhunting. He failed.
@NQT: SBC is town. I am 100% positive, as the inspect is always sane. It can't be flaunted. I also can't target with it, which I misread at first.
The reason I know TolyK is being honest is because I used a different power to see him.
4mask: Care to explain that?
Because just so you know (as though it weren't freaking obvious by now) Tiruin receives a copy of the inspect when I do, so she can confirm my inspect, as well.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 12, 2014, 08:17:51 am
A: You probably are 3rd party, but you might not be. And even you admit you've got a chance of being a hostile third-party even if you are telling the truth. Your haphazard use of your vote doesn't fill me with great confidence that your survival will be an asset to the town.Teehee.
Also, Cheese is lying. I have, among other things, picked up an auto that allows me to block inspection results, which I can turn on or off as I choose. I never bothered to turn it off, planning to do it N1, and in that time he fell afoul of that trap.
I hate this.Then Flabort made a mistake, because see above.
@Jack: I asked him that to see if he'd do his best to avoid being useful, or actually try to promote scumhunting. He failed.
@NQT: SBC is town. I am 100% positive, as the inspect is always sane. It can't be flaunted. I also can't target with it, which I misread at first.
The reason I know TolyK is being honest is because I used a different power to see him.
4mask: Care to explain that?
Because just so you know (as though it weren't freaking obvious by now) Tiruin receives a copy of the inspect when I do, so she can confirm my inspect, as well.
If you did make a mistake, Flabort, I don't hold it against you.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 12, 2014, 08:19:24 am
@NQT: SBC is town. I am 100% positive, as the inspect is always sane. It can't be flaunted. I also can't target with it, which I misread at first.Hohhot it can't be flaunted and is always sane. Okay. That makes more sense now.
The reason I know TolyK is being honest is because I used a different power to see him.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 12, 2014, 08:20:50 am
So you aren't town..
And you prevent us from doing our job.
Why should you live, again?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 12, 2014, 08:26:05 am
...Ok.Because I'm allied with you and have an ability that will greatly cut down on nightkills, that's why. That, and killing me does exactly nothing to change the game state.
So you aren't town..
And you prevent us from doing our job.
Why should you live, again?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 12, 2014, 08:31:17 am
My day inspect bypasses your power.
My night inspect won't.
Can you block bullets, son? Because I can easily switch to those.
Roleflips are as good as inspects to me.
Post by: flabort on September 12, 2014, 08:35:08 am
Votecount
Spoiler: Darkling (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Non-Darkling (click to show/hide)
Day ends Monday, Sept 15, approximately 7:00 PM (roughly 84 hours from this post).
(* = used 1 extension)
I changed how the non-darkling one is, so hopefully no eye-burning there.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 12, 2014, 08:41:03 am
colorI'm bulletproof, nothing to lose, fire away, fire away. Ricochet, you take your aim, fire away fire away. Shoot me down, but I won't fall, I am titanium. Shoot me down, but I won't fall, I am titanium.
My day inspect bypasses your power.
My night inspect won't.
Can you block bullets, son? Because I can easily switch to those.
Roleflips are as good as inspects to me.
... Someone vote blocked me, didn't they.
But seriously, cheese: I have an unstoppable nightkill. Don't mess with me, or I mess with you.
Plus, as I said, me dying right now doesn't change the state of the field at all.
Post by: Tiruin on September 12, 2014, 08:53:38 am
Hey 4mask, shoot me tonight :3
Even if it won't be stopped, I'd like to die under any non-town's hands.
BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE THAT WAY. ALSO YOU'RE LACKING ONE LEFT SOCK.
Also, Cheese is lying. I have, among other things, picked up an auto that allows me to block inspection results, which I can turn on or off as I choose. I never bothered to turn it off, planning to do it N1, and in that time he fell afoul of that trap.Nein.
4mask; 4mask; 4mask
I am in no way allied with or accomplice to Mastahcheese, however I am his France-buddy and allied 'Crusader' in that sense--I have verified and stand by the fact that SBC is Town.
You play with the power of God, you shall feel the spear of Longinus.
Guard mastahcheese
Now define in simple and direct words: How are you allied with mastahcheese, and how far do you believe you would risk your own life to bring him down with you?
Post by: Varee on September 12, 2014, 08:58:14 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 12, 2014, 09:00:10 am
Tiruin...Because of my first time in 'HIGH POWERED' game :/ So, realistically? No. Not a 'cult' in that manner.But there are also converts, and all sorts of...hilarity I'd suspect in between the lines (ie High Powered Game) which caused my wary.You're the only person to have mention conversions. Do you have any reason to suppose that a cult would be likely in this game?
A one-shot conversion power is possible and all though.
Hey tirurin , you know you can type unvote and type mask again 3 time to get six vote :3Que? I can only vote 3 times. If anyone bothers to steal said auto that grants me said power, they will have no votes :^
Can you essplen dat?
YOUR HAIR IS UNTIDY.
Post by: Varee on September 12, 2014, 09:02:13 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 12, 2014, 09:12:22 am
I AM CONFUSED.
...^
So there's an existing role out there which makes vote hilarity, huh.
So if I do...
Unvote, 4mask, unvote, 4mask, unvote, 4mask
it'll be 6?
Blehh >_>
Votecount please?
Could you reword that again Varee? I'm lost after staring at Flabort's posts back there still.
Post by: Varee on September 12, 2014, 09:28:08 am
Post by: TheWetSheep on September 12, 2014, 09:59:21 am
sbc sbc sbc sbc sbc sbc, do you have anything more substantial to say?Why vote the confirmed town?
Your auto is to prevent all investigations from happening?
TolyK:
Thus... Blitz? Completely baseless, but it will do for now.Um, no. It won't. And neither will your following baseless vote on NQT. Or your(once again baseless) reversion back to Blitz a few posts later. Why don't you actually scumhunt or something?
Tiruin:
So there's an existing role out there which makes vote hilarity, huh.You haven't noticed the yellow votes?
But I don't think it's as simple as just unvotes - it's not working like that for everybody.
Post by: Toaster on September 12, 2014, 10:00:51 am
Well Black is your current vote, and yellow is your vote before your last unvote so from that i think there will be four vote on wolf i hope? I am not 100% on how it works.
I tried that and it didn't work.
(still reading thread)
Post by: Tiruin on September 12, 2014, 10:05:15 am
Tiruin:I did, given I use ...that format which is like shades 8)...which I forgot the name.So there's an existing role out there which makes vote hilarity, huh.You haven't noticed the yellow votes?
But I don't think it's as simple as just unvotes - it's not working like that for everybody.
Still sick--so this may be leading to forgetfulness as I'm more focused on the pain at the moment.
OW. PAIN.
So the yellow votes just looked like 'oh, new votes' to me rather than any modification due to prior action. I couldn't concentrate, but thanks either way.
So...its a mystery?Well Black is your current vote, and yellow is your vote before your last unvote so from that i think there will be four vote on wolf i hope? I am not 100% on how it works.
I tried that and it didn't work.
(still reading thread)
Post by: Persus13 on September 12, 2014, 10:10:01 am
TDS, TDS:
Toaster:Why are you accusing Toaster of deflection? Toaster needs to scumhunt like everyone else (especially since its Toaster and you can rarely trust him), and you accusing him of deflecting is also deflection.TheDarkStar: Similarly, there's lots of discussion of setup from you, and not much hunting of scum. Are you using your supposed confirmed town status to avoid having to hunt scum?
I've been gone for about a day and a half because I kept getting 504s from trying to access the forums. I haven't scumhunted much because I haven't posted much. My question to you is why you're changing the focus from your scumminess/not scumminess to other people.
Yeah, this is bugging me. Varee is using his town-claiming role as a defense after I've pointed out that it's worthless.Uh, no, Varee was responding to a specific question of mine and otherwise hasn't really talked about that. Also, why are you assuming you and Varee have the exact same role power? Unless you and Varee have the exact same role I doubt that would have happened.
Tiruin:
4maskwolf claimed this a while back.There's a brother floating around, and 4maskwolf is a brother-ally. Additionally, I rather doubt that I count among the five, as my wincon in no way matches up to the given flavor for them.I think I'm missing something but when was that stated?
THIS IS NOT FUN
To those asking questions about my wincon: I have no idea who I'm allied with. I am a brother-ally, which is just... no. I win if someone else wins, and their wincon requires someone else to win. It's just... urk.
Basically, there appears to be a power in play that counts your last two posts with votes. For instance, I voted 4maskwolf twice and TolyK once, then unvoted in a later post. While I had unvoted, I still have votes on TolyK and 4maskwolf. If you voted 4maskwolf and then switched to voting someone else, say Toaster, your votes for 4maskwolf would count as well as your votes on Toaster. So I don't think it is possible to vote 6 times, unless you are voting multiple people.Hey tirurin , you know you can type unvote and type mask again 3 time to get six vote :3Que? I can only vote 3 times. If anyone bothers to steal said auto that grants me said power, they will have no votes :^
Can you essplen dat?
YOUR HAIR IS UNTIDY.
Having said that, it doesn't appear to work for everyone, and a simple fix is just voting and then unvoting. That's how we found out 4maskwolf had 6 votes.
SBC:
4mask, do you mind explaining your need to repeat my name 5 times? does that give me 5 votes? and why are you voting me when I'm obviously town?Obviously town is a bit too strong. There are a lot of powers and abilities in this game, so they could have effected mastah's inspect. Anyway, what have you contributed to this game so far?
NQT
SBCSuperblackcat is town.Is this true?QuoteDid you miss the part where mastah claimed infallible, unstoppable day cop?PersusAre you paying attention at all to the thread? I've detailed multiple times why I have to vote multiple people.Look at the vote count: you're voting for a whole bunch of people. Why? What's your case?Seriously, are you going to justify your broad spread of votes or not?Huh? Can you clarify?So one of my role powers is that I can't vote just one person and have to use three votes every time I vote.To all questions regarding my vote power. I have three votes. I can't vote for one person. I must use all three votes in the post where I vote.Interesting...From what I can tell, your second to last vote counts, as well as your current vote, since normally 4maskwolf wouldn't be voting anyone and his other votes haven't shown up.
I see Persus with five votes (3 normal), Jack AT with 2 (one normal), and 4maskwolf with 6 votes. Does unvoting move them?
Anyway, this seems easily beaten by having people vote then unvote in the same post.
Unvote, to test.
4maskwolf:So, if cheese explained it and Tiruin confirms it, then why are you still voting cheese?@NQT: SBC is town. I am 100% positive, as the inspect is always sane. It can't be flaunted. I also can't target with it, which I misread at first.Hohhot it can't be flaunted and is always sane. Okay. That makes more sense now.
The reason I know TolyK is being honest is because I used a different power to see him.
Toaster:Maybe it only works on players with vote autos?Well Black is your current vote, and yellow is your vote before your last unvote so from that i think there will be four vote on wolf i hope? I am not 100% on how it works.
I tried that and it didn't work.
(still reading thread)
Post by: mastahcheese on September 12, 2014, 10:33:03 am
@4Mask: You say you have an unstoppable nightkill?
Hit me with it, or I will kill you by every means in my disposal.
I FORMALLY REQUEST THAT NOBODY TARGET ME WITH A PROTECT, BUS, OR OTHER PROTECTIVE POWER
I can survive a hell of a lot more than you can, buddy.
And I will be avenged twicefold.
Post by: Persus13 on September 12, 2014, 10:36:37 am
NQTSBCDid you miss the part where mastah claimed infallible, unstoppable day cop?Superblackcat is town.Is this true?PersusAre you paying attention at all to the thread? I've detailed multiple times why I have to vote multiple people.Look at the vote count: you're voting for a whole bunch of people. Why? What's your case?Seriously, are you going to justify your broad spread of votes or not?Huh? Can you clarify?So one of my role powers is that I can't vote just one person and have to use three votes every time I vote.To all questions regarding my vote power. I have three votes. I can't vote for one person. I must use all three votes in the post where I vote.Interesting...From what I can tell, your second to last vote counts, as well as your current vote, since normally 4maskwolf wouldn't be voting anyone and his other votes haven't shown up.
I see Persus with five votes (3 normal), Jack AT with 2 (one normal), and 4maskwolf with 6 votes. Does unvoting move them?
Anyway, this seems easily beaten by having people vote then unvote in the same post.
Unvote, to test.
4maskwolf:So, if cheese explained it and Tiruin confirms it, then why are you still voting cheese?@NQT: SBC is town. I am 100% positive, as the inspect is always sane. It can't be flaunted. I also can't target with it, which I misread at first.Hohhot it can't be flaunted and is always sane. Okay. That makes more sense now.
The reason I know TolyK is being honest is because I used a different power to see him.
Toaster:Maybe it only works on players with vote autos?Well Black is your current vote, and yellow is your vote before your last unvote so from that i think there will be four vote on wolf i hope? I am not 100% on how it works.
I tried that and it didn't work.
(still reading thread)
Post by: notquitethere on September 12, 2014, 10:45:11 am
Tiruin
Guard mastahcheeseDoes that allow you to see who targets Cheese?
Why is Wolf, a claimed-Brother, a better lynch target than Imiknorris, a claimed-Lyncher?
Persus
flabort: Did we get a mod extend because of the forums going down?Jack extended. Only one person needs to extend for there to be an extension, but players have a limited number of extends, and there's a cap of 3 per day.
Did you miss the part where mastah claimed infallible, unstoppable day cop?I saw him claim that, sure, but that doesn't mean he's telling the truth! We should always take at least the bare minimum of steps to confirm someone's claim. It could be that a scum Cheese-Tiruin team simply assumed SBC was town (this is unlikely but possible), and it doesn't cost me anything to rule out the possibility. I'm surprised you'd find this surprising.
Are you paying attention at all to the thread? I've detailed multiple times why I have to vote multiple people.I'm paying more attention than most (though, as I'm fallible, I may sometimes miss things), but what I wanted to know was why these three people specifically. If you're going to throw three votes around, you should have three times the surety that you're picking the best targets.
Post by: Shakerag on September 12, 2014, 10:45:44 am
unvote
4mask
I really want to vote Tiruin for ragging on non-darkling users, but I'm enjoying her posting restriction too much to have her gone.
I think she should post that way all the time, IMO.
Still voting for give new power because this game obviously doesn't have enough powers already.
EDIT: Oh hey, no "no editing" rule in the OP! Whee!
Now I'm wondering if, as a non-player, the rules in the OP would even apply to me.
flabort: can I PM anyone in-game for any reason?
EDIT2: Also, there's no rule against creating sockpuppet accounts to rack up more non-player votes. But I'm classier than that. For now.
Post by: Toaster on September 12, 2014, 10:48:27 am
TheDarkStar:
I've been gone for about a day and a half because I kept getting 504s from trying to access the forums. I haven't scumhunted much because I haven't posted much. My question to you is why you're changing the focus from your scumminess/not scumminess to other people.
What? He wasn't talking about me being scummy at all; he was talking about Urist I, not me. And of course I'm trying to see if other people are scummy or not.
Since this post, you've accused Varee of hiding behind his townie auto, which is the beginning of a start. What else?
Varee:
Am just answering a the question..
I said that i question TDs claim as he believe my claim is fake so it is likely that his is fake so he question mine as well. Sorry if this doesnt make sense am sorry i just woke up ....
It doesn't attack him any more than it attacks you.
SBC:
4mask, do you mind explaining your need to repeat my name 5 times? does that give me 5 votes? and why are you voting me when I'm obviously town?
We're of course assuming that Mastahcheese (and by extension Tiruin) are telling the truth, while also assuming you aren't scum with a Godfather-type ability. It's points in your favor, but you're not "obviously" town yet.
Jack:
Toaster: About how strongly would you need to suspect someone of being Mafia to move your vote away from Urist Imiknorris and on to your mafia suspect?
Reasonably certain. Not "beyond reasonable doubt;" maybe more "preponderance of evidence" or even not quite that much. The big catch is that I don't see TolyK getting nightkilled any time soon.
Tiruin:
sbc sbc sbc sbc sbc sbc, do you have anything more substantial to say?Do you WANT to lynch a confirmed Townie, bud? >:I
See response two above. Remember, "confirmed" is a very strong word.
4mask:
a possibly friendly third party
Rather than a "possible scum?"
Sheep:
4mask:sbc sbc sbc sbc sbc sbc, do you have anything more substantial to say?Why vote the confirmed town?
Seriously, people, stop saying "confirmed" like it's candy.
Shakerag:
Still voting for give new power because this game obviously doesn't have enough powers already.
I agree!
Post by: Persus13 on September 12, 2014, 10:57:09 am
PersusOk, I was seeing your questions more about events then questions about reasons.flabort: Did we get a mod extend because of the forums going down?Jack extended. Only one person needs to extend for there to be an extension, but players have a limited number of extends, and there's a cap of 3 per day.Did you miss the part where mastah claimed infallible, unstoppable day cop?I saw him claim that, sure, but that doesn't mean he's telling the truth! We should always take at least the bare minimum of steps to confirm someone's claim. It could be that a scum Cheese-Tiruin team simply assumed SBC was town (this is unlikely but possible), and it doesn't cost me anything to rule out the possibility. I'm surprised you'd find this surprising.Are you paying attention at all to the thread? I've detailed multiple times why I have to vote multiple people.I'm paying more attention than most (though, as I'm fallible, I may sometimes miss things), but what I wanted to know was why these three people specifically. If you're going to throw three votes around, you should have three times the surety that you're picking the best targets.
With the exception of my votes in my last votes, all my votes were RVS votes. I voted 3 people and asked them questions at the start of the game, then when 4maskwolf claimed to not be town, I voted him, with my third vote going to TolyK over something minor that I had a question on, but turned out to be nothing.
Post by: TolyK on September 12, 2014, 10:59:47 am
TolyK:Scum hunt based on what? Words? I would do that if it weren't so time-consuming...Thus... Blitz? Completely baseless, but it will do for now.Um, no. It won't. And neither will your following baseless vote on NQT. Or your(once again baseless) reversion back to Blitz a few posts later. Why don't you actually scumhunt or something?
... lazy TolyK...
... and if it weren't ineffective...
... yes, lazy lazy...
... and if I didn't have other info to base it on. I know who not to lynch, though.
My vote will not change anything, so why currently bother? 4mask can outvote me 6 times, and he's not the only one.
And finally: Analysis is not something that I can do sanely at the moment, as in text analysis.
Post by: TolyK on September 12, 2014, 11:00:45 am
yup!
Post by: Superblackcat on September 12, 2014, 11:01:06 am
Also, NQT, Unless I planned this all out with mastah, it's unlikely that I'm not town, as you can tell by the reasoning above.
Post by: notquitethere on September 12, 2014, 11:30:41 am
EDIT: Oh hey, no "no editing" rule in the OP! Whee!Editing rules are clarified in this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5648191;topicseen#msg5648191): they're allowed only in the first few minutes after posting.
Persus
Ok, I was seeing your questions more about events then questions about reasons.I see. How do you envision your vote spread looking at the end of the day? Will you be voting for the three scummiest players?
With the exception of my votes in my last votes, all my votes were RVS votes. I voted 3 people and asked them questions at the start of the game, then when 4maskwolf claimed to not be town, I voted him, with my third vote going to TolyK over something minor that I had a question on, but turned out to be nothing.
TolyK
My vote will not change anything, so why currently bother? 4mask can outvote me 6 times, and he's not the only one.I certainly hope your vote will have no effect, useless as you've been with it.
Please answer my question: what's your wincon?
SBC
Also, NQT, Unless I planned this all out with mastah, it's unlikely that I'm not town, as you can tell by the reasoning above.Yeah, it's looking good for you. You being not-town would require collusion between you, Tiruin, Cheese and now TolyK. (Though could you link to where you said you were town?) The vast potential for shenanigans in this game is so huge, I wouldn't rule you out indefinitely, but you're definitely not a Day 1 lynch candidate.
Post by: TolyK on September 12, 2014, 11:51:38 am
... but generally...
I have an auto that prevents me from winning, as well as another one.
I'm not sure I want to claim my other one, but I'm pretty sure I'm not counted as malicious.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 12, 2014, 12:26:14 pm
@SBC: Did you not pay attention when I said the inspect was random?
I tried to aim it at NQT, not realizing that I have no control over it.
I could have hit myself with the damn thing for all I know, and how much would that have helped?
As for me saying that I'd be ok with being inspected, why the hell would I not say that?
I'm not going to say "hey don't inspect me, I'm being honest" and really expect people to believe me.
The crazy part?
I actually have an excuse to not be inspected, but I didn't even mention it.
Anything that hits me. ANYTHING. Even an inspect, even a protect will result in killing me.
the catch for a penalty that absurb? If I die, whoever kills me dies twice. And then I ressurect like nothing's wrong.
But I didn't mention that earlier because obviously that sounds fishy as hell, but if you don't believe me, hit me with whatever day action you have, just keep in mind that the first time I die in a cycle will be blocked, so you have to hit me twice.
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 12, 2014, 01:35:18 pm
This applies to everyone, but anyway...
Does someone mind asking me questions? I really have no idea what to ask now, since when I come up with one it's already been used a page ago. So yeah.
Post by: TolyK on September 12, 2014, 01:59:38 pm
Y not?
Blitz, would you try out Cheese's claim? Also, what would you do if you were trying to mess up everything and had to choose between a night randomize and night kill?
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 12, 2014, 02:03:58 pm
TolyK: Try out Cheese's claim? And I would choose the night kill, not sure what the randomise is.
Post by: TolyK on September 12, 2014, 02:23:49 pm
He doesn't know what randomize is?
U tell him...
Randomize means that the target's actions target random people (when without a target, it's all).
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 12, 2014, 02:28:03 pm
Complete newb, remember.
Also, I, ah, have my ways of not dying, presuming that the other person's nightkill isn't unblock able.
Post by: flabort on September 12, 2014, 03:49:59 pm
Persus: see OP on extends: ever1 has 2-shot 24 hour extend, Jack used his.
Weekend gets skipped.
Nqt: No :P
Shake: please as little nonplayer content as possible, votes and reasons will B enough.
As Nqt linked, editing is restricted.
Toaster: Explain what you mean. Perhaps?
Post by: Superblackcat on September 12, 2014, 05:58:09 pm
Mastahcheese, I seem to remember you asking if it's OK to out someone, and I thought I said yes.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 12, 2014, 07:39:45 pm
Let me let you in on a secret: I don't really die when I die. I continue playing the game as if nothing happened, but with all the benefits of being dead: you can't target me, can't vote me, etc. There is a way around this, which I won't be sharing, but for at least a few rounds it would change nothing. Meanwhile, I am perfectly capable and willing to help the town right now, and indeed am the only one I know of who's inspections will go through my own auto (due to another auto I have). I am also immune to roleblocks and many other effects.
The downsides of this are that, as long as I exist in the game, inspections don't go through and role flips are weird. However, I also make it so only one night kill happens every night, which, given the number of town night kills, will be of large benefit to the town since the odds of a town nk going through are higher than a scum nk.
As I mentioned earlier, I have an unstoppable night kill and am perfectly capable of using it to help the town. Due to how it works, cheese, even you wouldn't it be immune: you'd die N2 with no way out.
In other words, it is in your best interest to keep me alive. Due to my abilities, I have nothing personally against dying, but I'd rather we get rid of a threat to me and the brother I'm allied to and the town.
Post by: Cheeetar on September 12, 2014, 07:42:27 pm
Unvote 4maskwolf, vote 4maskwolf.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 12, 2014, 07:46:27 pm
Just lynch me. I'll tell you exactly what you need to do to get rid of my ghost, if you want.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 12, 2014, 08:37:24 pm
Well TDs the way your power is worded is not the same as mine, I dont see why that is the reason for you to vote me just because my power is not like your's.
How do I know that? I know that powers that declare people town may or may not be valid. You're not town/scum for sure, but the auto effectively has no meaning.
flabort: Did we get a mod extend because of the forums going down? If two of the same role was submitted by different people, what would you have done? Also it should be a tournament of rocks and cards, not a tournement of rocks and cards.
TDS, TDS:Toaster:Why are you accusing Toaster of deflection? Toaster needs to scumhunt like everyone else (especially since its Toaster and you can rarely trust him), and you accusing him of deflecting is also deflection.TheDarkStar: Similarly, there's lots of discussion of setup from you, and not much hunting of scum. Are you using your supposed confirmed town status to avoid having to hunt scum?
I've been gone for about a day and a half because I kept getting 504s from trying to access the forums. I haven't scumhunted much because I haven't posted much. My question to you is why you're changing the focus from your scumminess/not scumminess to other people.Yeah, this is bugging me. Varee is using his town-claiming role as a defense after I've pointed out that it's worthless.Uh, no, Varee was responding to a specific question of mine and otherwise hasn't really talked about that. Also, why are you assuming you and Varee have the exact same role power? Unless you and Varee have the exact same role I doubt that would have happened.
I don't assume he has the same power, but his town-claim auto is meaningless based on what I know (see above). However, given that there's not really much else to get along this line of reasoning, I'm going to Unvote, Unvote for now.
4mask, do you mind explaining your need to repeat my name 5 times? does that give me 5 votes? and why are you voting me when I'm obviously town?
TDS: Are you town? Or does that just say you are town while you could be not town?
I'm town. What did you expect me to say, and why did you ask this question?
Shakerag: Do you want to play in this game? I can't remember if you are just watching or if you got here too late to sign up.
Post by: flabort on September 12, 2014, 09:18:12 pm
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Day ends Monday, Sept 15, approximately 7:00 PM (roughly 84 hours from this post).
(* = used 1 extension)
TDS: I believe Shakerag said that his role submissions would probably get him banned from the forum, so he chose to not sign up.
Post by: Tiruin on September 12, 2014, 09:53:20 pm
Tiruin:Aye. About that--I've been waiting on MC to show his results; given his hints towards my side, I've been heavily leaning on doubt regarding his person and my abilities. Knowing his result, and knowing the result I got today, it cleared away all doubts regarding him.sbc sbc sbc sbc sbc sbc, do you have anything more substantial to say?Do you WANT to lynch a confirmed Townie, bud? >:I
See response two above. Remember, "confirmed" is a very strong word.
Oh, and yeah, that one thing? It's infallible and cannot be stopped no matter what. Ever.
Con? It's random :V
So yes. We've a Confirmed Townie who is SBC.
I'm currently voting 4mask for lying-lying.
BECAUSE HE HAS FOUR MASKS. ITS LIKE THE FOUR TEMPERAMENTS. ONE IS FROWNING.
Flabort Are we informed when the number of anti-town players goes down?Um. No?
TiruinGuard mastahcheeseDoes that allow you to see who targets Cheese?
Why is Wolf, a claimed-Brother, a better lynch target than Imiknorris, a claimed-Lyncher?
Next: See above. The invocation of the word 'lie' has a heavy meaning down here.
Mmm...look. I'm nothing with Cheese. I don't know him. I'm maybe aligned with him (in that we're not scum :v), but knowing who he is through the variety of vague hints--he's also Town (in checking my abilities present).Did you miss the part where mastah claimed infallible, unstoppable day cop?I saw him claim that, sure, but that doesn't mean he's telling the truth! We should always take at least the bare minimum of steps to confirm someone's claim. It could be that a scum Cheese-Tiruin team simply assumed SBC was town (this is unlikely but possible), and it doesn't cost me anything to rule out the possibility. I'm surprised you'd find this surprising.
Now you want to confirm the claim--think about this: I'm confirming it for you. Scumteam blah blah! Yeah!
But I don't stand up for another person just on vague hint assumption.
Think of it as I'm Solaire, and he's that one dude from Dark Souls. I've found my Sun through him. And I'm happy. Those two characters are in no way related to each other at all.
I'm enjoying watching you try to figure the finer points of this troll auto ability.O'cmon :I
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Day ends Monday, Sept 15, approximately 7:00 PM (roughly 84 hours from this post).
(* = used 1 extension)
TDS: I believe Shakerag said that his role submissions would probably get him banned from the forum, so he chose to not sign up.
Unvote all
4mask; 4mask; Flabort.
le sigh.:O
@SBC: Did you not pay attention when I said the inspect was random?
I tried to aim it at NQT, not realizing that I have no control over it.
I could have hit myself with the damn thing for all I know, and how much would that have helped?
As for me saying that I'd be ok with being inspected, why the hell would I not say that?
I'm not going to say "hey don't inspect me, I'm being honest" and really expect people to believe me.
The crazy part?
I actually have an excuse to not be inspected, but I didn't even mention it.
Anything that hits me. ANYTHING. Even an inspect, even a protect will result in killing me.
the catch for a penalty that absurb? If I die, whoever kills me dies twice. And then I ressurect like nothing's wrong.
But I didn't mention that earlier because obviously that sounds fishy as hell, but if you don't believe me, hit me with whatever day action you have, just keep in mind that the first time I die in a cycle will be blocked, so you have to hit me twice.
OHAAAHOHO!!
BROTHER IN ARMS, I AM GLAD TO BE BY YOUR SIDE. YOU ARE FOUND!
What in the world even happened in role-giving!?
Crusade brothers! >:D
Post by: Tiruin on September 12, 2014, 10:12:56 pm
THINGS ARE CRAZY. ASSUMPTIONS EQUAL CRAZY.
Now, before anyone flips out after reading all that, I'm...really standing by here and confirming everything MC says before anything is enacted on him. Because he seems to have roles that synergize/mirror my own :^
He mentioned 3 abilities. I'm checking his posts and I found them pretty equal.
Also if anyone kills me, it spreads out to 6 other random targets. :v
...So yeah.
tl;dr: I know the 3 abilities, at least by thorough guessing, that MC has hinted. I stand by him in the alignment inspect--he speaks the truth. No 4mask, you can't stop it even if it says you can, because I saw it too.
Next, nobody else touch MC, unless you want to kill him :3
Finally, yeah, the resurrect works, however it has a cooldown of a cycle and a half or so. So yeah, my joyous references to the Crusade have merit--knowing the Crusade IRL...There were tons of things that were pretty mystical, even until now for historians and theologians (also Saladin ♥), but its obviously known that the knights easily died...
Now, y'all can speculate us as a scumteam or a tied team--I advance the notion on anyone who considers it a probable aspect to pursue and to present the case as early as now. Consider that I stood up for him after the few posts he has and the many subtle guesses present, put that in your solution.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 12, 2014, 10:21:05 pm
PPE: Tiruin:
Oh, before anyone flips out through any notice or such--do note my interaction with MC, please. :v
THINGS ARE CRAZY. ASSUMPTIONS EQUAL CRAZY.
Now, before anyone flips out after reading all that, I'm...really standing by here and confirming everything MC says before anything is enacted on him. Because he seems to have roles that synergize/mirror my own :^
He mentioned 3 abilities. I'm checking his posts and I found them pretty equal.
Also if anyone kills me, it spreads out to 6 other random targets. :v
...So yeah.
tl;dr: I know the 3 abilities, at least by thorough guessing, that MC has hinted. I stand by him in the alignment inspect--he speaks the truth. No 4mask, you can't stop it even if it says you can, because I saw it too.
Next, nobody else touch MC, unless you want to kill him :3
Finally, yeah, the resurrect works, however it has a cooldown of a cycle and a half or so. So yeah, my joyous references to the Crusade have merit--knowing the Crusade IRL...There were tons of things that were pretty mystical, even until now for historians and theologians (also Saladin ♥), but its obviously known that the knights easily died...
Now, y'all can speculate us as a scumteam or a tied team--I advance the notion on anyone who considers it a probable aspect to pursue and to present the case as early as now. Consider that I stood up for him after the few posts he has and the many subtle guesses present, put that in your solution.
Isn't standing up for him, without any evidence that other people can see, something that scum/tied people would do, too?
Post by: Tiruin on September 12, 2014, 10:29:39 pm
Isn't standing up for him, without any evidence that other people can see, something that scum/tied people would do, too?...Presumably, yeah.
However I did state the grounds of which I stood up for him by. If scum, I wouldn't...err, obviously be outed like that, nor would I want to--whenever I play scum, I go subterfuge. This, ain't subterfuge (also considering that we can resurrect.. -_-). Next, tied people. I wouldn't go the same path in being tied by outing myself.
'Tied' could, however, apply in this scenario. We seem to have mirror skills and a mirror theme. Fragility, and yet Elasticity. Though I had no idea there was someone akin to me in this game given my alignment and my abilities present.
...
Oh goodness xD I just...MC: You can't vote, right? :3
Ok, I'll just be laughing here to myself at the moment. Yeah, I now have truly guessed all 3 abilities that he claimed.
Anyways, yes, I understand you only have my word and his contending with how to consider us, but realize that...
1. I'm pretty harmless unless provoked [ie I can't do mostly anything]
2. There's a mirror theme between MC and I. However, I didn't know about this. Unsure on his side.
3. I know he's pretty harmless unless killed.
4. Yeah, people can act post-death. But I believe this only extends to us 2? It's...I'm emphasizing the 'fragility' aspect of this.
5. Everything else I said before this post is true. Except the capitals. Think of the capitals as that crazy voice in your head whenever you have visions of glory.
Hmm. Poke me aside, Cheese.
> 1 is an auto.
> 1 is an ability.
> 1 is a...role. As in its the only [thing] pertaining to the role.
I can add a player to the game. There's no hint about alignment in the description, so I assume that they become town. Due to spectators being able to take limited action (voting for stuff only), how about choosing a player for them to either vote or control to indicate that they want to play?My first impression = That Priest role from Supernatural ._.
TDS IS A SUMMONER. MAGICK! MAGICK! IT IS BAD!
Post by: Varee on September 12, 2014, 10:46:59 pm
GAME THEORY!
Post by: Jack A T on September 12, 2014, 10:52:22 pm
Tiruin: Please answer.With 5 non-town (mafia-brother, as I've heard? The lyncher, and the 3-manteam as far as I read?), we've got 2 CONFIRMED town.Tiruin: Do you believe that the announcements of towniness are safe to depend on, particularly with TheDarkStar's claims about his announcement power?
TheDarkStar: I know you just unvoted, but still. Explain how answering questions when asked counts as continuing to use the announcement as a defense, or give me evidence that he was actively hiding behind it. Also, please explain how this "add a player to the game" power you just mentioned works exactly.Varee is using his town-claiming role as a defense after I've pointed out that it's worthless.TheDarkStar: I really don't see this. All I see is him saying, when asked, that his alignment announcer announces his alignment and is not like what you claimed. I don't see him hiding behind it, or even bringing it up without being specifically asked about it. Can you explain this case?
@Jack: I asked him that to see if he'd do his best to avoid being useful, or actually try to promote scumhunting. He failed.mastahcheese: Can you give an example of what Toaster could have done to properly, in your eyes, respond to your question?
Fine. Someone stole my votes anyway. My last game of mafia and I get screwed by the mod by being given insta-lynch-for-having abilities and an uncertain wincon...4maskwolf: Is there anyone you suspect of having taken your votes away?
Varee: What do you think is the best way to handle the third party claims so far?
BlitzDungeoneer: If you were forced by a non-player to investigate someone tonight, who would you target based on current available information?
Could someone please summarize what the fuck is going on in this game? As far as I can tell, everyone's speaking weirdly, nobody knows how voting works, and SuperBlackCat's been confirmed by several people to have been superinspected and come up town. Also, third party claims and minimal standard scumhunting. Is this about right?
Post by: TolyK on September 12, 2014, 11:18:20 pm
I think standard scum hunting will be at a minimum the entire game, to be honest.
I sure do!
Also, uh. Not Quite Sure how to phrase this, but...
4mask is basically town given he's allied with a brother who is brother to a confirmed townie.
I can claim how I know this the next day, but lynching 4mask is not a good opotion!
Post by: Jack A T on September 12, 2014, 11:20:59 pm
I can claim how I know this the next dayTolyK: Argh. Why can't you claim how you know this today?
Post by: TolyK on September 12, 2014, 11:22:24 pm
Yes siree!
Post by: Varee on September 12, 2014, 11:23:12 pm
Jack: I guess there nothing we could really do about these claim, maybe we should lynch one of them before the trend of "claim a random third party and you are safe" start going out of control....
Post by: TolyK on September 12, 2014, 11:27:47 pm
I don't know
U don't either...
...
Because I'm not scum, at the very least, and lynching a pro-town is not beneficial to town?
Post by: Tiruin on September 12, 2014, 11:45:35 pm
POST RESTRICTION!I'M BLIND, NOT DEAF.Tiruin: Please answer.With 5 non-town (mafia-brother, as I've heard? The lyncher, and the 3-manteam as far as I read?), we've got 2 CONFIRMED town.Tiruin: Do you believe that the announcements of towniness are safe to depend on, particularly with TheDarkStar's claims about his announcement power?
Warcraft Reference ftw.
Anyway, it depends. Given my observation of my own powers--I can say mastacheese is totally sane and should be depended on in that scenario. For TDS/Varee, I would lie on unsure--however I'd be able to discard them at this early stage as a suspect until later on; they will be 'safe to depend on' in the aspect of scumhunting at the moment right now, so we can work by easy process of elimination.
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Could someone please summarize what the fuck is going on in this game? As far as I can tell, everyone's speaking weirdly, nobody knows how voting works, and SuperBlackCat's been confirmed by several people to have been superinspected and come up town. Also, third party claims and minimal standard scumhunting. Is this about right?Everyone =/= not everybody playing D:<
Ok.
I speak in CAPITALS which has any sort of level of negativity in them.
Mastahcheese somehow has a restriction which has the same color as you and/or Parser.
Jack A T has a restriction in light green or somesuch.
TolyK is just RPing (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5651298#msg5651298)...which means he's using the italics and the underline speaks as a cover up. He can easily post without it. In my opinion, its another shenanigan he's using as a cover story (as some posts where he uses the italics and the underlines are pretty...useless :\)
There exists a restricting power that requires the target to have a cyan word in their next post else they lose all powers until the next day (I believe I was the first to be targeted by it; then NQT. Unsure if it is NQT-owned, however, given his hints)
We have 5 non-town roles in game.
SUPERBLACKCAT IS TOWN.
Also...I did say earlier that scumhunting would be unconventional, when I explained to NQT regarding the ratio of powerrole to player.
Why should they believe him?YOU. HALT. STOP WITH THE WHIMSICAL WORDS AND GET TO THE DARN POINT.
I don't know
U don't either...
...
Because I'm not scum, at the very least, and lynching a pro-town is not beneficial to town?
What he said. It's annoying pretty much when you put lines which don't say anything at all.
Because you remind me of these red and green dudes (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0327.html). By which I mean I wish I can shoot you in the knee to get you talking right, as whatever you're hiding isn't even obvious in normal text.
Post by: Superblackcat on September 12, 2014, 11:47:12 pm
Me
mastah
Tolyk
Varee
TDS
4mask
Can we get some more town claims?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 12, 2014, 11:47:31 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 12, 2014, 11:50:46 pm
Wait, Tiru, when did I lie?You said mastahcheese lies with his inspect.
IT MAKES ME SAD.
...But then you've TolyK vouching for you...
I'm confused on the brother-thing, honestly. Right, so you're a brother ally.
Quote
Alignment: Brother
Wincon: You win when [player_name] wins.
Alignment: [alignment_type]-Ally
Wincon: You win when [alignment_type] wins.
But th-...yeah, just noticed.
Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead. (Mafia, Cult, SK, Lyncher, and Assassin)
So why is Mastah lying, and why did you 'reveal' outright that manner of your own powers in association with his?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 12, 2014, 11:52:57 pm
Mastahcheese is not lying, I later retracted my statement after he explained his power more fully. I believed that I had caught a scum in the act of bullshit, so I called him on it.Wait, Tiru, when did I lie?You said mastahcheese lies with his inspect.
IT MAKES ME SAD.
...But then you've TolyK vouching for you...
I'm confused on the brother-thing, honestly. Right, so you're a brother ally.QuoteAlignment: Brother
Wincon: You win when [player_name] wins.
Alignment: [alignment_type]-Ally
Wincon: You win when [alignment_type] wins.
But th-...yeah, just noticed.
Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead. (Mafia, Cult, SK, Lyncher, and Assassin)
So why is Mastah lying, and why did you 'reveal' outright that manner of your own powers in association with his?
Post by: Varee on September 12, 2014, 11:55:47 pm
Post by: TolyK on September 13, 2014, 12:02:47 am
I'm telling the truth.
U are telling the truth.
Would be an interesting logic puzzle, but I'm talking in this was exactly so that it's most clear and concise. Granted, that might not be clear enough for you, but eh.
Eh. Speaking of Canadian roles... I can apparently buff them. But I probably won't as I have better stuff to do.
Basically, the current claims:
4mask (broally) -> ?? (bro) -> ?? (townie)
SBC (town via Cheese)
UI (lyncher to TolyK, stops some NK's?) -/-> TolyK (non-scum but can't win, unkillable)
Cheese (superinspector)
Is that all that's been claimed and more or less confirmed by others?
Post by: Tiruin on September 13, 2014, 12:06:54 am
...Link please?Mastahcheese is not lying, I later retracted my statement after he explained his power more fully. I believed that I had caught a scum in the act of bullshit, so I called him on it.Wait, Tiru, when did I lie?You said mastahcheese lies with his inspect.
IT MAKES ME SAD.
...But then you've TolyK vouching for you...
I'm confused on the brother-thing, honestly. Right, so you're a brother ally.QuoteAlignment: Brother
Wincon: You win when [player_name] wins.
Alignment: [alignment_type]-Ally
Wincon: You win when [alignment_type] wins.
But th-...yeah, just noticed.
Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead. (Mafia, Cult, SK, Lyncher, and Assassin)
So why is Mastah lying, and why did you 'reveal' outright that manner of your own powers in association with his?
DISEASE CLOUDS MY FOCUS.
Eh. Speaking of Canadian roles... I can apparently buff them. But I probably won't as I have better stuff to do.Then why don't you do it, eh?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 13, 2014, 12:08:44 am
@NQT: SBC is town. I am 100% positive, as the inspect is always sane. It can't be flaunted. I also can't target with it, which I misread at first.Oh it can't be flaunted and is always sane. Okay. That makes more sense now.
The reason I know TolyK is being honest is because I used a different power to see him.
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 13, 2014, 12:24:08 am
Jack: Based on current information? mastahcheese, because really, I need to confirm his alignment. If that's unavailable, Tiruin.
Post by: Tiruin on September 13, 2014, 12:26:42 am
...
Then this thing. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5655449#msg5655449) Which speaks to me again of your disposition and...personal well-being :/
@voteshenanigans: Doesn't look like there's any sort of 'unvote = vote boost' thing going on, as far as I read Varee's notes on it.
My votes (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5654019#msg5654019) only gave 1 as a result (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5655616#msg5655616).
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 13, 2014, 12:32:07 am
...So you still aren't unvoting cheese? I mean, given that post, there's still some disagreement going on. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5655430#msg5655430)I never bothered to Unvote because my votes are gone. So yeah...
...
Then this thing. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5655449#msg5655449) Which speaks to me again of your disposition and...personal well-being :/
@voteshenanigans: Doesn't look like there's any sort of 'unvote = vote boost' thing going on, as far as I read Varee's notes on it.
My votes (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5654019#msg5654019) only gave 1 as a result (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5655616#msg5655616).
Post by: Tiruin on September 13, 2014, 12:34:10 am
Flabort: When speaking about the votecount--is 'hiding votes' a possibility?
Though you noticed you lacked your votes how, now?
EDIT DARNIT I DIDN'T BE NEGATIVE ENOUGH BACK THERE ARGH.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 13, 2014, 08:46:02 am
@Tiru: Er, your resurrect may have a cool down, but mine are...
A bit more prolonged. And you said it spreads to six targets, you say?
...That explains something. Is it only kills, or other things as well?
Also, we're not mirrored, I just have blatent copies of a small number of your powers. (They actually don't tie in with my own at all, my other roles are hyper-violent, actually, for the most part. :P )
@Tiru poke: Well, technically the role is also an auto, but I think you've got it.
I don't have the same resurrect power you do, though, I'm using my own.
@Jack: Not really, no.
Also, now I'm confused.
If we aren't killing 4mask due to the "enemy of my enemy" clause (or, "ally of my ally", in this case) then who's the best lynch candidate?
Post by: Tiruin on September 13, 2014, 09:10:04 am
...That explains something. Is it only kills, or other things as well?Err, yes?
...Yes.
I HATE THIS COLORWEAR SHADES. YOU'LL LOVE IT. 8)
BECAUSE ITS GREEN.
Also, now I'm confused.There's a list of choices :v
If we aren't killing 4mask due to the "enemy of my enemy" clause (or, "ally of my ally", in this case) then who's the best lynch candidate?
Also, we're not mirrored, I just have blatent copies of a small number of your powers. (They actually don't tie in with my own at all, my other roles are hyper-violent, actually, for the most part. :P )Suuuuure. Let's be more honest so we can be obvious to the enemy, thanks much. :P
WHY DO YOU HAVE BLATENT COPIES. YOU MISSPELLED BLATANT. COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT! I WILL SUE YOU!
So who is town?Did I miss how TOlyK was town and 4mask was town and mastah (directly) was town? o_O
Me
mastah
Tolyk
Varee
TDS
4mask
Can we get some more town claims?
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 13, 2014, 09:29:24 am
Anyway, does anyone have suggestions for who to use my power on? If I use it and they say no, I don't another chance.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 13, 2014, 09:30:37 am
I thought I posted recently, but my browser must have eaten it.
Anyway, does anyone have suggestions for who to use my invite power on? If I use it and they say no, I don't another chance.
EBWOP
Post by: Varee on September 13, 2014, 09:32:14 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 13, 2014, 09:38:26 am
Cheeetar or Silthuri seem busy IRL (also its me and Silthuri's exam time around this week or so, maybe even Nerjin's :O)
PICK WEBADICT. HE IS A PENGUIN.
Post by: TolyK on September 13, 2014, 09:41:27 am
Confirmed unwinnable-role?
Also, I missed something. What does TDS's power do?
Post by: TolyK on September 13, 2014, 09:49:49 am
I know who to pick...
U know who to pick...
Me! I promise I won't bust your brains out spamming jibberish...
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 13, 2014, 10:01:08 am
Oh, invite power for a chat with you?
I know who to pick...
U know who to pick...
Me! I promise I won't bust your brains out spamming jibberish...
It's not a chat role. I can add someone to the game. After they accept, they just have to send in their roles (IDK how many roles; either 10 or however many they want, but I'd recommend at least 10) to flabort to play.
Should I invite webadict?
Post by: Jack A T on September 13, 2014, 10:13:58 am
Quick post, just to get the perpetually unnoticed noticed.
TheDarkStar: Respond.TheDarkStar: I know you just unvoted, but still. Explain how answering questions when asked counts as continuing to use the announcement as a defense, or give me evidence that he was actively hiding behind it.Varee is using his town-claiming role as a defense after I've pointed out that it's worthless.TheDarkStar: I really don't see this. All I see is him saying, when asked, that his alignment announcer announces his alignment and is not like what you claimed. I don't see him hiding behind it, or even bringing it up without being specifically asked about it. Can you explain this case?Also, please explain how this "add a player to the game" power you just mentioned works exactly.
Post by: Jack A T on September 13, 2014, 10:17:42 am
Should I invite webadict?TheDarkStar: Also, I don't think you should do this, unless he comes in here to say you should. We should respect Wuba's decision.
Post by: TolyK on September 13, 2014, 10:35:03 am
I pick Flabort!
U don't.
Yeah, ask before actioning.
Post by: Varee on September 13, 2014, 10:37:25 am
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 13, 2014, 11:09:55 am
POST RESTRICTION!
Quick post, just to get the perpetually unnoticed noticed.TheDarkStar: Respond.TheDarkStar: I know you just unvoted, but still. Explain how answering questions when asked counts as continuing to use the announcement as a defense, or give me evidence that he was actively hiding behind it.Varee is using his town-claiming role as a defense after I've pointed out that it's worthless.TheDarkStar: I really don't see this. All I see is him saying, when asked, that his alignment announcer announces his alignment and is not like what you claimed. I don't see him hiding behind it, or even bringing it up without being specifically asked about it. Can you explain this case?Also, please explain how this "add a player to the game" power you just mentioned works exactly.
Whoops, I forgot that this response was in the post that didn't get posted.
Anyway, here:
Pfp
@persus :the power is pretty much an auto that say everyone knows my wincon.
This was after I pointed out that it may be untrustworthy. However, I didn't get anything when questioning him, so IDK out his scumminess. I'll check him tonight (I have an alignment checking role), unless he has something that protects him from this.
Flabort: Is it possible to add you to the game? Also, what alignment is a new player? Town or random?
Post by: webadict on September 13, 2014, 12:38:01 pm
DarkStar
Urist
Imiknorris
Toaster
Post by: mastahcheese on September 13, 2014, 01:00:37 pm
TIRU YOU CAN'T SUE ME, WE HAVE THE SAME LAWYER, IT WOULDNT WORK
*Puts on shades*
It does look nice against Darkling.
Post by: flabort on September 13, 2014, 01:16:12 pm
Flabort: Is it possible to add you to the game? Also, what alignment is a new player? Town or random?No; I can't answer that here; Ditto.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 13, 2014, 01:25:17 pm
I'm wondering now if there's a "role that can nightkill spectators" because it would only ever be useful in games like these.
TIRU YOU CAN'T SUE ME, WE HAVE THE SAME LAWYER, IT WOULDNT WORK
*Puts on shades*
It does look nice against Darkling.
How do you you switch forum backgrounds?
Also, do you think that the spectator voting thing does more harm than good?
PPE: Eh. It sounded like a good way to break the game.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 13, 2014, 01:39:14 pm
Post by: notquitethere on September 13, 2014, 02:13:17 pm
Toaster, Wolf, which one of you pestered Tiruin, tried to get all her roles nullified for a cycle, and why?
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 13, 2014, 02:14:55 pm
You can change it somewhere in your profile settings, I don't remember where
Thanks; it was in the "Look and Layout" category.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 13, 2014, 03:48:57 pm
What the hell is even going on anymore.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 13, 2014, 04:18:22 pm
pfpGiven the power level of my abilities, I'm not even going to question how you know the exact power I used on her. Yeah, I did that, basically as soon as I got my role. I did it because why not: I had no idea who I was allied with at the time, and one less player who can kill me before I determine that is always a good thing.
Toaster, Wolf, which one of you pestered Tiruin, tried to get all her roles nullified for a cycle, and why?
Post by: TolyK on September 13, 2014, 04:28:16 pm
U can tell them, go ahead.
Alright. I have information that today's lynch will be an unexpected one.
I'm fairly sure.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 13, 2014, 05:30:12 pm
pfpGiven the power level of my abilities, I'm not even going to question how you know the exact power I used on her. Yeah, I did that, basically as soon as I got my role. I did it because why not: I had no idea who I was allied with at the time, and one less player who can kill me before I determine that is always a good thing.
Toaster, Wolf, which one of you pestered Tiruin, tried to get all her roles nullified for a cycle, and why?
4maskwolf
That's a rather scummy action - Tiruin can't daykill (and you didn't even stop to check, since you said that you did it as soon as you got your role), so why would you randomly block someone at the beginning of the day?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 13, 2014, 05:35:22 pm
Yeah, I take back me taking back what I said.
Why should you live? Now we know that you're a loose cannon, willing to target people at random to screw us over.
Post by: TolyK on September 13, 2014, 05:42:02 pm
I have yet to find the scum...
But you should listen to U.
Questioning the people I don't want lynched is totally fine by me, even with pressure votes.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 13, 2014, 11:58:36 pm
._.That was back when I didn't know who was on my side and who wasn't. Now that I have a better idea of whose team I'm on, I'm not going to use my abilities that wildly.
Yeah, I take back me taking back what I said.
Why should you live? Now we know that you're a loose cannon, willing to target people at random to screw us over.
NQT, would you care to share the exact text of the power I used? Or am I going to have to provide it on faith. Because there is one part there that is pretty important.
Post by: Tiruin on September 14, 2014, 01:11:52 am
Why NQT and not me?._.That was back when I didn't know who was on my side and who wasn't. Now that I have a better idea of whose team I'm on, I'm not going to use my abilities that wildly.
Yeah, I take back me taking back what I said.
Why should you live? Now we know that you're a loose cannon, willing to target people at random to screw us over.
NQT, would you care to share the exact text of the power I used? Or am I going to have to provide it on faith. Because there is one part there that is pretty important.
IS THIS SOME KIND OF FAVORITISM!?
Also...better idea of whose team? You mean inferring if your brother is town or not?
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2014, 04:45:59 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 14, 2014, 08:00:49 am
Why Tiruin, of all people?
Did you roll randomly, or was there something you expected from her?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 14, 2014, 09:04:42 am
hmm.Basically a random roll, since I had no idea who to trust. Especially since it was so easy to work around.
Why Tiruin, of all people?
Did you roll randomly, or was there something you expected from her?
To be fair, it's trivially easy to avoid losing your powers to Wolf's ability, as you're prompted by the mod that you need to post some text in cyan. I imagine it's only useful against someone who had a very strict posting restriction.Which makes me wonder why you framed my ability like you did. Were you trying to get the user of the ability lynched?
Exactly. At the time, UI hadn't claimed lyncher yet, so it was within the realm of possibility that I was technically a scum player. However, now it is more likely, at least in my mind, that I am town-aligned or at least neutral, which means that it is in my best interests to help the town in any way possible.Why NQT and not me?._.That was back when I didn't know who was on my side and who wasn't. Now that I have a better idea of whose team I'm on, I'm not going to use my abilities that wildly.
Yeah, I take back me taking back what I said.
Why should you live? Now we know that you're a loose cannon, willing to target people at random to screw us over.
NQT, would you care to share the exact text of the power I used? Or am I going to have to provide it on faith. Because there is one part there that is pretty important.
IS THIS SOME KIND OF FAVORITISM!?
Also...better idea of whose team? You mean inferring if your brother is town or not?
Post by: flabort on September 14, 2014, 12:02:37 pm
Just realizing now that I did forget something.
...I can choose to let it go, since it's been so long, or I can correct it now since it's still day 1.
I'm going to let it go.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 14, 2014, 12:12:16 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on September 14, 2014, 12:13:18 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 14, 2014, 12:33:36 pm
Well, that's concerning.What is? The fact that Flabort made a mistake?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 14, 2014, 12:39:15 pm
That is what I was referencing, yes.Well, that's concerning.What is? The fact that Flabort made a mistake?
Mostly because I'm curious as to what could have gone wrong, but I doubt he can tell us that.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 14, 2014, 03:16:51 pm
TolyK:
Hehehe.Do explain.
U can tell them, go ahead.
Alright. I have information that today's lynch will be an unexpected one.
I'm fairly sure.
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2014, 05:24:42 pm
Um. No?Your response here was even more indecipherable than usual. Could you answer these two questions clearly:
Next: See above. The invocation of the word 'lie' has a heavy meaning down here
1. Why is Wolf a better target than a Lyncher?
2. What does your 'Guard' power do?
TolyK
I have an auto that prevents me from winning, as well as another one.Two things: one, your posting restriction appears fake; two, your not a town asset and you've claimed not to have the town wincon. As fair warning, given your current trajectory you're likely going to be a target for night powers/lynches.
I'm not sure I want to claim my other one, but I'm pretty sure I'm not counted as malicious.
SBC
So who is town?TolyK and Cheese have both claimed non-town. Toaster has claimed town. GayArchaea has claimed Town-Survivor. I'm town.
Me
mastah
Tolyk
Varee
TDS
4mask
Wolf
Which makes me wonder why you framed my ability like you did. Were you trying to get the user of the ability lynched?No, I just suddenly remembered that Tiruin had claimed to have been targeted by Pester and I hadn't yet squirrelled out who had that power. Thanks for your honesty.
GayArchaea, you've not posted much. I understand this game is gonzo extreme, but right now who you think is the most suspicious player?
Blitz Do you even have a vote?
Post by: Tiruin on September 14, 2014, 08:23:05 pm
TiruinYou added the second question for some reason--before I answer it, I'll ask first: Why? I'm sure you understand why I ask this degree of questioning to you, aye?Um. No?Your response here was even more indecipherable than usual. Could you answer these two questions clearly:
Next: See above. The invocation of the word 'lie' has a heavy meaning down here
YOU ARE SUSPICIOUSLY HANDSOME.
1. Why is Wolf a better target than a Lyncher?
2. What does your 'Guard' power do?
Though the first is something present from before.
Guard mastahcheeseDoes that allow you to see who targets Cheese?
Why is Wolf, a claimed-Brother, a better lynch target than Imiknorris, a claimed-Lyncher?
[/quote]
Quote
Um. No?
Next: See above. The invocation of the word 'lie' has a heavy meaning down here.
Now, during that time I was on the ideas before knowing 4mask admitted that 'ohey, I'm wrong, and MC's statements have a point.' Basically, reverse the idea of 'I've caught lying-lying scum.' in the eyes of 4mask, and his auto.
Check the posts along this area. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5655953#msg5655953)
...Also UI is a Lyncher--its a role that is predominantly town (err. third-party until target = ded, in which the target can be town or scum {right? Or is it only town? From memory of that flash mafia guide, the lyncher targeted 'town'...and that's it}), and then becomes town-aligned or town or whatever that is town, yet ...after the target is downed, is town.
Also it brings a significant amount of focus onto him that UI seems...very muchly of a lesser target. I still can't get how 4mask may be 'more town than not (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5658752#msg5658752)' or...how I understand Basing on scumminess and not claimed alignment here.
Which reminds me about a significant detail in a post I should've put but forgot because:
a. Exams
b. Sickness.
c. STORMY WEATHER INHIBITS INTERNET POSTING.
4mask: Given MC's notes about his power and your own notes on his power--does the fact that 'someone stole your votes' mean that you still suspect MC, or not?
What is your outlook about him?
TolyK: How are you 'not able to 'win''?
What is winning, to you?
Post by: GayArchaea on September 14, 2014, 09:51:06 pm
GayArchaea, you've not posted much. I understand this game is gonzo extreme, but right now who you think is the most suspicious player?I honestly do not suspect anyone at the moment to be scum. I could just say 4maskwolf. but I do believe the fact that he has an ability that will only allow one NK per night, the fact that he'll be able to post and vote after his death, and the fact that while he's alive he'll mix up the death role results.
I may have to look back some more and try to actually scum-hunt. The less days there are, the more likely I am to survive.
Post by: TolyK on September 14, 2014, 11:13:58 pm
1) I have already said that my "restriction" only gives me a bonus - it's not necessary, but it's good to have "on".
2) I've claimed to not be able to win (see below) as well as something else - that's not necessarily non-town.
3) I've already said that killing me is useless due to my "pew pew -> not dead".
I've grown tired of being active.
So have you, but it really should be done...
Tiruin: @winning
I have an auto that doesn't allow me to win the game (it adds a part to my wincon that says along the lines of "... & you have to remove ability x to win").
UI: The lynch is likely to be a random one today, purely random, but I don't quite know who...
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 14, 2014, 11:31:05 pm
The name of the role in question is, in fact, Shakerag did it. The other role I personally sent in was The Flabort's BYOR role that causes annoyance and aggravation to everyone else, which has two powers that people here already know about and one that they know about but hasn't been attributed to me: the inspection stuff, the pester ability, and the vote fuckery.GayArchaea, you've not posted much. I understand this game is gonzo extreme, but right now who you think is the most suspicious player?I honestly do not suspect anyone at the moment to be scum. I could just say 4maskwolf. but I do believe the fact that he has an ability that will only allow one NK per night, the fact that he'll be able to post and vote after his death, and the fact that while he's alive he'll mix up the death role results.
I may have to look back some more and try to actually scum-hunt. The less days there are, the more likely I am to survive.
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 14, 2014, 11:44:28 pm
NQT: Yes. Yes I do.
Post by: Jack A T on September 15, 2014, 12:46:47 am
GayArchaea: Please answer this.I shouted my wincon because I wanted to prove so, or maybe I wasn't thinking too straight.GayArchaea: Just to be clear, do you need to be alive to win with the town? Or are the town and survivor parts separate (that is, you win with town or if alive at the end of the game)?
I'll admit that I told a half-truth with the first claim. The death of all anti-town factions is still a necessary part of the wincon;
It's just I also am a very selfish person and would like to make sure I live. (essentially a survivor)
This was after I pointed out that it may be untrustworthy. However, I didn't get anything when questioning him, so IDK out his scumminess. I'll check him tonight (I have an alignment checking role), unless he has something that protects him from this.TheDarkStar: I still don't see where he was using it as a defense, as opposed to merely answering questions about it.
I've decided to dump some of the information I have onto this game. This includes all 42 roles of mine that were accepted, my rejected roles, and some significant extra information flabort gave me when rejecting my rejected roles.
Spoiler: Accepted Roles (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Rejected Roles (click to show/hide)
All three of the special rules are due to roles I sent in, I believe.
When I sent a second wave of roles in to replace the rejected Wright and Ford (this wave got flabort to limit the number of roles per person), flabort sent me some very interesting reasons for rejection of some of the second wave roles:
*Flabort told me that the additional Canadian Government roles would be rejected due to additional ones making around three existing roles unbalanced (the PM stating this was on the 24th). (This clearly includes the Canadian Government Department-hunting role, and I believe it is likely to include Public Works, Finance, and/or the PCO.)
*More importantly, The FHPBYOR Role That Adds a Role Trading System to the Game was rejected for being completely redundant. This indicates that we have a role trading system we do not yet know of.
Post by: TolyK on September 15, 2014, 02:13:38 am
Post by: TolyK on September 15, 2014, 02:21:11 am
Agreed.
Anyways, that is a lot of useful information. I only sent in two roles, so I can't do that.
I was "loved" today.
I can at some point (but not now) move at least one role around, so it's likely less of a system and more an "individual roles" thing.
Post by: TolyK on September 15, 2014, 06:57:37 am
Really?
It looks to be so, indeed.
Well then... Facts.
15 players, of them:
- 2 publicly-proclaimed townies (TDS, Varee)
- 1 self-proclaimed Brother-ally (4mask)
- 1 self-proclaimed TolyK-lyncher (UI)
- 1 self-proclaimed and confirmed (by Cheese) unknown who can't win (TolyK)
- several inspectors (Cheese, NQT, Tiruin (?), from the top of my head)
- 1 confirmed (by Cheese) town (SBC)
- 1 claimed Town-survivor (Archae)
- claimed town (Toaster, ??)
- 5 "bad guys"
Also, a lot of roles, including:
- Canada-hate-role (?)
- Must-vote-multiple combo (Persus)
- Jack's other roles (see reply #this-3)
- stuff I don't remember at the moment
I think lynchee should be the person who would give us the most information on flip, or the most scummy (if there is one - take out a revive, for instance) or possibly even a no-lynch D1 with the goal of information gathering N1. That is in d descending order.
References:
stuff
Pfp (!)
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 07:33:41 am
Damn post lags.*Tiruin hugs TolyK
Agreed.
Anyways, that is a lot of useful information. I only sent in two roles, so I can't do that.
I was "loved" today.
I can at some point (but not now) move at least one role around, so it's likely less of a system and more an "individual roles" thing.
That said...
*Tiruin ALSO SLAPS TOLYK.
You could do well with saving the snippets of info for a massclaim instead of giving it in the format you've got now...which is mostly useless. :/
Only 14.5 hours until the day ends!I don't think 4mask is a bad guy :v
Well then... Facts.
15 players, of them:[...]
- 5 "bad guys"
[...]
He's a non-town, yeah, but that's the same with UI. They don't have the town wincon, but whatevermorallevel that can be attributed to the two are pretty much on par with 'town = gud'.
...Why do you say they're bad guys? Also why do you keep on trickling random information for later on, TolyK?
I'm under suspicion that it may be used as a guise to cover up a scummy plan, if able/any.
Post by: TolyK on September 15, 2014, 08:09:02 am
I said there were 5 bad guys in total...
And 4mask is not counted as one of them, if I'm correct
So... What?
Post by: flabort on September 15, 2014, 08:32:24 am
Spoiler: Darkling (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Non-Darkling (click to show/hide)
Day ends Tuesday, Sept 16, approximately 7:00 PM (roughly 36 hours from this post). One extension remains in the day.
(* = used 1 extension)
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 15, 2014, 08:35:29 am
*resigns self to his fate*
I'll see you all tomorrow as a ghost, then. As Archea confirmed, I can post and vote while dead, so hah.
Post by: Varee on September 15, 2014, 08:39:04 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 08:52:23 am
I thought I unvoted 4mask.
...Oh right, forgot the 'all' part. Unvote all.
Uh. What?Oh.
I said there were 5 bad guys in total...
And 4mask is not counted as one of them, if I'm correct
So... What?
...
YOU CONFUSE ME.
So yeah. I thought you were saying 4 mask was a bad guy.
Also I was asking more on 'why do you give vague stuffs about your roles?'
Post by: Persus13 on September 15, 2014, 09:43:35 am
TheDarkStar, TheDarkstar, Urist Imiknorris
Not many people have seemed scummy today, but TheDarkStar's attacking Varee and claiming he was hiding behind his declared town status, when in fact he was responding to a question I had asked about it. So he gets my vote. My third vote goes to Urist as he claimed lyncher which is an anti-town role.
- several inspectors (Cheese, NQT, Tiruin (?), from the top of my head)TheDarkStar also claimed an alignment inspect.
- 1 confirmed (by Cheese) town (SBC)
Also, saying SBC is confirmed town is wrong. He's likely town but we don't know if he's confirmed town.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 15, 2014, 10:04:50 am
SBCBullshit, NQT.So who is town?TolyK and Cheese have both claimed non-town. Toaster has claimed town. GayArchaea has claimed Town-Survivor. I'm town.
Me
mastah
Tolyk
Varee
TDS
4mask
Find the post where I claimed "non-town"; I never did, because I am town.
You've either got your notes messed up, or you're deliberately trying to screw something up.
Another note for EVERYONE:
There are powers in play that can either partially or entirely obfuscate roles.
I know this because my roleflip cannot be obfuscated, due to a certain power I have.
Just something to point out as we go into lynch-time.
Post by: TheWetSheep on September 15, 2014, 10:09:21 am
SBC:
So who is town?I'm town. What do town claims mean? Why are you asking for them?
Me
mastah
Tolyk
Varee
TDS
4mask
Can we get some more town claims?
4maskwolf:
The other role I personally sent in was The Flabort's BYOR role that causes annoyance and aggravation to everyone else, which has two powers that people here already know about and one that they know about but hasn't been attributed to me: the inspection stuff, the pester ability, and the vote fuckery.You know what's screwing with the votes, but aren't telling us?
Jack:
*More importantly, The FHPBYOR Role That Adds a Role Trading System to the Game was rejected for being completely redundant. This indicates that we have a role trading system we do not yet know of.I'm a part of this. I have a role-trading ability.
Mastahcheese:What happened to [parse][unparse]?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 15, 2014, 10:12:28 am
Mastahcheese:What happened to [parse][unparse]?I thought that was my post restriction, but it's not.
It's due to an error in BBCode of my role PM, which I misinterpreted miserably.
The greenish color at the start of my posts is my actual restriction.
Post by: notquitethere on September 15, 2014, 10:32:14 am
1. Urist Imiknorris claims he'll win if TolyK is lynched
2. TolyK claims he won't die if he's lynched
3. Urist Imiknorris isn't trying to get TolyK lynched despite there being no harm in doing so
DOES NO ONE ELSE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS SCENARIO?
GayArchaea
I may have to look back some more and try to actually scum-hunt.Please do. What do you think of the fact that Urist Imiknorris has claimed to be a Lyncher? Do you know that town players have to kill lynchers?
Tiruin
You added the second question for some reason--before I answer it, I'll ask first: Why? I'm sure you understand why I ask this degree of questioning to you, aye?My asking of what 'Guard' did was implicit when I asked you if it allowed you to see who targeted your target. So in fact I haven't added a new question, I've just clarified my old question after you continue to be obfuscatory. So please answer the question: what does 'guard' do?
Next: See above. The invocation of the word 'lie' has a heavy meaning down here.Who's saying who is lying about what?
Now, during that time I was on the ideas before knowing 4mask admitted that 'ohey, I'm wrong, and MC's statements have a point.' Basically, reverse the idea of 'I've caught lying-lying scum.' in the eyes of 4mask, and his auto.Slow down and unpack your thoughts, I don't know why you think Wolf is scummy.
...Also UI is a Lyncher--its a role that is predominantly town (err. third-party until target = ded, in which the target can be town or scum {right? Or is it only town? From memory of that flash mafia guide, the lyncher targeted 'town'...and that's it}), and then becomes town-aligned or town or whatever that is town, yet ...after the target is downed, is town.Lyncher is an anti-town role, read the OP! We only have UI's word that he turns into a pro-town force on Toly's death. Why do you believe him?
Also it brings a significant amount of focus onto him that UI seems...very muchly of a lesser target. I still can't get how 4mask may be 'more town than not (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5658752#msg5658752)' or...how I understand Basing on scumminess and not claimed alignment here.4mask has consistently claimed not to know whether he's a brother to an anti-town player or not, but the numbers suggest not. Again, there's no particular reason to believe he's telling the truth, but UI is actively claiming an anti-town role. Why is wolf still a better target?
TolyK
1) I have already said that my "restriction" only gives me a bonus - it's not necessary, but it's good to have "on".1. Riiiight. 2. I'm pretty sure I asked you if you were town and you didn't say yes! 3. There are other things town can do to you...
2) I've claimed to not be able to win (see below) as well as something else - that's not necessarily non-town.
3) I've already said that killing me is useless due to my "pew pew -> not dead".
UI: The lynch is likely to be a random one today, purely random, but I don't quite know who...What do you mean by this?
Blitz
PFPSo are you going to use your vote before the end of the day then?
NQT: Yes. Yes I do.
Also, for you're list, I'm self-proclaimed town.
Cheese
Bullshit, NQT.SORRY, I meant 'Wolf'. I was posting from my phone and must have conflated the two of you in my mind. Apologies to SBC too.
Find the post where I claimed "non-town"; I never did, because I am town.
You've either got your notes messed up, or you're deliberately trying to screw something up.
There are powers in play that can either partially or entirely obfuscate roles.Thanks for the info.
I know this because my roleflip cannot be obfuscated, due to a certain power I have.
Just something to point out as we go into lynch-time.
Jack
According to my calculations, somewhere in the region of 28 extra roles were not submitted by you. I didn't submit any additional roles, would anyone else like to claim their excess roles?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 15, 2014, 10:54:24 am
NQT: I have an issue with your scenario: my target has to stay dead. I've stated as much previously.
Two things: one, your posting restriction appears fake; two, your not a town asset and you've claimed not to have the town wincon. As fair warning, given your current trajectory you're likely going to be a target for night powers/lynches.When did he claim not to have the town wincon?
I'm going to vote 4mask 4mask. As for why, that's a good question. I have the role of The Mr. Big Technique, which lets me, over the course of three night actions, force my way into any quicktopics a given target has access to. I highly suspect that this is balanced out by having a small scumteam with non-mafia support. For instance: a brother to scum, and a brother-ally. After all, it wouldn't do to give me a usable method of busting the whole scumteam at once.
My extra roles:
Professor James Moriarty
Thioacetone
Hitler's Mustache
Someone Else's Role
Tommy Vercetti
Post by: mastahcheese on September 15, 2014, 11:05:06 am
We aren't roleclaiming already, are we?
Claiming the names of your roles is... Pretty volatile.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 15, 2014, 11:06:13 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 15, 2014, 11:07:36 am
Carry on, then.
Post by: Persus13 on September 15, 2014, 11:12:54 am
Spoiler: Extra Roles (click to show/hide)
I probably should have mentioned one of these earlier.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 15, 2014, 11:15:33 am
Are we talking about things we submitted, but didn't get ourselves?
... Now I get it.
Persus: You also submitted Webadict?
How many people submitted Webadict?
I'll go back and see what else I sent in...
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 15, 2014, 11:20:05 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 15, 2014, 11:20:55 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I removed the two that I got, for reasons that should be obvious.
Post by: notquitethere on September 15, 2014, 11:26:38 am
When did he claim not to have the town wincon?Plenty of places. Take this, for instance:
2) I've claimed to not be able to win (see below) as well as something else - that's not necessarily non-town.
Like you, he clearly does not have the death of all anti-town factions as his wincon. Also, okay sure, let's say Toly has to die for you to win, why are you taking his assurances of immortality without even trying to test them?
Post by: Toaster on September 15, 2014, 11:33:42 am
NQT:
Toaster, Wolf, which one of you pestered Tiruin, tried to get all her roles nullified for a cycle, and why?
Not me.
Jack: Kingmaker 4? Really? Don't drag that back up.
Persus: I demand you pay me royalties for submitting me.
4mask: If you're dead but still posting, are your roles (chiefly the vote fuckery) still affecting the game?
Can you tell us exactly how this vote fuckery works, per your role?
I need to go back and read this over, for I am lost and confuzzled.
Post by: Persus13 on September 15, 2014, 11:36:11 am
*facepalms*Yes.
Are we talking about things we submitted, but didn't get ourselves?
Post by: TolyK on September 15, 2014, 12:11:42 pm
NQT, I told him that we could technically both win at the end, but it would require careful planning. And that he couldn't lynch me D1 as hard as he tried.
Ooh, give U the win-on-third-day role!
Since we have moving roles, I'd like to say that I can't exactly be given a role...
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 15, 2014, 12:21:55 pm
When did he claim not to have the town wincon?Plenty of places. Take this, for instance:2) I've claimed to not be able to win (see below) as well as something else - that's not necessarily non-town.
Like you, he clearly does not have the death of all anti-town factions as his wincon. Also, okay sure, let's say Toly has to die for you to win, why are you taking his assurances of immortality without even trying to test them?
Ooh. I see. As for why I'm not testing his claim, I rather doubt the town would be up for lynching him D1 "because prove it." Besides, that's not the only way to test it.
Anyone with a rolecop: Could you pretty please inspect TolyK tonight? I'd like to know for sure what he's got.
Post by: TolyK on September 15, 2014, 12:31:21 pm
Except that U have a feeling you won't be able to, unless you're *really* good.
Yeah, 4mask, what happens with your roles/abilities after death?
Also, hold on. Who was the person who targeted Tiruin to manditorily say something?
Was it something like "I think I'm going to be lynched today"?
Also, Flabort, I'm guessing it's a very very rediculous manner, isn't it? XD <- don't ask
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 12:42:22 pm
Yeah, I'll step on you now. :v- several inspectors (Cheese, NQT, Tiruin (?), from the top of my head)TheDarkStar also claimed an alignment inspect.
- 1 confirmed (by Cheese) town (SBC)
Also, saying SBC is confirmed town is wrong. He's likely town but we don't know if he's confirmed town.
SBC IS CONFIRMED TOWN AND YOU WILL BELIEVE IT--ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHERWISE IS DOOMED TO-
yes.
He's CONFIRMED Town and anyone who says otherwise has pretty much missed Mastahcheese's point. Reiterated tons of times ago.
*high-five on that certain power* ;)
Another note for EVERYONE:
There are powers in play that can either partially or entirely obfuscate roles.
I know this because my roleflip cannot be obfuscated, due to a certain power I have.
Just something to point out as we go into lynch-time.
TiruinOh you're the touchy dude, for some reason this game. I pretty much clarified myself on why I chose to question you instead of directly answer it Mr. Passively Aggressive Accusatory Obfuscatory. :VYou added the second question for some reason--before I answer it, I'll ask first: Why? I'm sure you understand why I ask this degree of questioning to you, aye?My asking of what 'Guard' did was implicit when I asked you if it allowed you to see who targeted your target. So in fact I haven't added a new question, I've just clarified my old question after you continue to be obfuscatory. So please answer the question: what does 'guard' do?
It does what is directly on the tin. Why do you have to assume other details about it?
:INext: See above. The invocation of the word 'lie' has a heavy meaning down here.Who's saying who is lying about what?Now, during that time I was on the ideas before knowing 4mask admitted that 'ohey, I'm wrong, and MC's statements have a point.' Basically, reverse the idea of 'I've caught lying-lying scum.' in the eyes of 4mask, and his auto.Slow down and unpack your thoughts, I don't know why you think Wolf is scummy.
Because of how he said MC was lying. I didn't pick up his reconsideration when MC restated how the inspect happened.
But then 4mask didn't give a following reply given that both cases contradict.
But why that sort of scumminess gets a pass at the moment from me [ie the unvote] is because of his claimed wincon--its a non-town one, meaning it is one of the 5, noted in the D-Start post of flabort.
...Also UI is a Lyncher--its a role that is predominantly town (err. third-party until target = ded, in which the target can be town or scum {right? Or is it only town? From memory of that flash mafia guide, the lyncher targeted 'town'...and that's it}), and then becomes town-aligned or town or whatever that is town, yet ...after the target is downed, is town.Lyncher is an anti-town role, read the OP! We only have UI's word that he turns into a pro-town force on Toly's death. Why do you believe him?[/quote]
...Isn't that what happens when a lyncher lynches the target?
When you say 'why do you believe him', I do believe we're all believing he's a LYNCHER in the first place, right? Lyncher = third party; part of the non-town 5 people in the D-Start. And nobody's poking on that--and cannot poke on that unless they have abilities which pertain to the poking of that.
>_> <_< *re-re-re-reads OP*
Quote
Alignment: LyncherOk?
Wincon: You win when [player_name] is lynched.
And Town can't win unless Lyncher is dead. He claimed Lyncher. He's like that one last wildcard to defeat that we all already know because he claimed it himself. Right. So what makes him more of a threat than Mafia? Nothing. Other than he's now an excluded principle to the list of priority targets.
How do you see him, NQT?
Also it brings a significant amount of focus onto him that UI seems...very muchly of a lesser target. I still can't get how 4mask may be 'more town than not (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5658752#msg5658752)' or...how I understand Basing on scumminess and not claimed alignment here.4mask has consistently claimed not to know whether he's a brother to an anti-town player or not, but the numbers suggest not. Again, there's no particular reason to believe he's telling the truth, but UI is actively claiming an anti-town role. Why is wolf still a better target?[/quote]
Brother to an unknown. See above for my details on Lyncher vs [whatever else exists].
Flabort: Do Brother-type roles know who exactly they are aligned with? Do they know the alignment that they are matching before game-start but at role-sending?
Sooo... some lucky git is going to win on Day 3....How and why? Where?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 15, 2014, 01:24:39 pm
Toaster: it works exactly as you all have figured out: when someone unvotes or changes their vote, it leaves a "ghost vote" behind, which lasts until the person changes their vote again.
The vote fuckery, the nightkill reduction, the inspection irritation, and the role flip silliness all end when I die.
Cheese: I'm the one who obfuscates role flips, but I have a way around it.
Urist: you realize that gay Archea rolecopped me and has confirmed that lynching me won't do jack to mess with my day game, right. All it does is turn me into a untargetable, vengeful "ghost" as I like to call it.
TolyK: I'll ask Flabort about the ones that don't explicitly say they end on death, but since some of my autos say "while you are alive" I think that I'll still have my absurd number of votes while dead, since that doesn't specify.
I'll check with Flabort, and if that's the case, then I will willingly offer myself up for lynching, because it gets rid of all the negatives of having me around while maintaining most of the upsides.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 15, 2014, 01:27:07 pm
Post by: flabort on September 15, 2014, 01:30:41 pm
brothers know who but not what they are allied to.
ppe answer other questions later; also, consider that maybe not just the votes are being messed with...
Post by: Toaster on September 15, 2014, 01:34:32 pm
SBC IS CONFIRMED TOWN AND YOU WILL BELIEVE IT--ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHERWISE IS DOOMED TO-
yes.
He's CONFIRMED Town and anyone who says otherwise has pretty much missed Mastahcheese's point. Reiterated tons of times ago.
Unless you and Mastah are in cahoots and lying, of course.
(Don't use the word confirmed around me unless you want an argument)
4mask: Does your roleflip screwiness in any way impact the alignment part of the flip?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 15, 2014, 01:36:07 pm
Tiruin:Technically? Trust me, I have a way around it.SBC IS CONFIRMED TOWN AND YOU WILL BELIEVE IT--ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHERWISE IS DOOMED TO-
yes.
He's CONFIRMED Town and anyone who says otherwise has pretty much missed Mastahcheese's point. Reiterated tons of times ago.
Unless you and Mastah are in cahoots and lying, of course.
(Don't use the word confirmed around me unless you want an argument)
4mask: Does your roleflip screwiness in any way impact the alignment part of the flip?
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 01:42:18 pm
Well, now I have to type up responses on an iPad. Great.And now I get to speak in OOC and hug you on your iPad. Awesome.
FEEL THE HUG THROUGH TEXT, YOU. FEEL THE LETTERS AND READ. READ! BUT STAY AWAY FROM THE SCREEN AFTER HOURS OF EXPOSURE, AND IN A LIT ROOM FOR THE GOODNESS OF YOUR EYES.
Tiruin:Yeah, true. :/ That's the flipside of it.SBC IS CONFIRMED TOWN AND YOU WILL BELIEVE IT--ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHERWISE IS DOOMED TO-
yes.
He's CONFIRMED Town and anyone who says otherwise has pretty much missed Mastahcheese's point. Reiterated tons of times ago.
Unless you and Mastah are in cahoots and lying, of course.
(Don't use the word confirmed around me unless you want an argument)
But I've made it a two-sided coin instead of letting anyone guess at the ridges now!
(but...it's not an argument when I've proof that makes it black/white! :D
I mean, I know that argument quite well so...)
...So I'll just say its pretty direct.
pfp:O
brothers know who but not what they are allied to.
ppe answer other questions later; also, consider that maybe not just the votes are being messed with...
Thank you Awesome GM!
...I wonder if the orange part is something connected with an ability.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 15, 2014, 04:31:03 pm
I'd say it's a greater than 50% chance.pfp:O
brothers know who but not what they are allied to.
ppe answer other questions later; also, consider that maybe not just the votes are being messed with...
Thank you Awesome GM!
...I wonder if the orange part is something connected with an ability.
Bordering on 100%.
*High-fives back*
(Also, as a semi-serious/semi-humorous note, if me and Tiruin had a scum-chat, I don't think we'd be having as many problems communicating with each other as we are. :P )
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 15, 2014, 04:41:14 pm
Cheese: Ah, but what if you are faking those problems, while you are secretly co-or donating them with Tiruin?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 15, 2014, 04:43:14 pm
PFPI won't argue the possibility of that, because it would be pointless. That's why it was semi-humorous.
Cheese: Ah, but what if you are faking those problems, while you are secretly co-or donating them with Tiruin?
Believe what you will.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 15, 2014, 06:15:20 pm
How many people submitted Webadict?
*raises hand*
I also submitted a bunch of other player roles. Also, the element roles and some other stuff I forgot.
Speaking of which, who submitted a certain Minecraft wiki page? It does nothing, which makes me sad.
TDS: Clearly you should invite Shakerag.
We've been over this already; he said that he didn't want to join before the game started, so I'm going to respect that. I also don't want to waste my power.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 15, 2014, 06:59:28 pm
Post by: flabort on September 15, 2014, 07:27:40 pm
Can you invite a dead player?No. Dead players are different from non players.
The GM qualifies as a dead player, as per the opening flavor text.
Post by: flabort on September 15, 2014, 07:32:40 pm
Votecount
Spoiler: Darkling (click to show/hide)
- Varee, Shakerag, Cheeetar, Tiruin, Tiruin, TheDarkStar, Urist Imiknorris, Urist ImiknorrisSpoiler: Non-Darkling (click to show/hide)
Day ends Tuesday, Sept 16, approximately 7:00 PM (roughly 24 hours from this post). One extension remains in the day.
(* = used 1 extension)
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 07:42:16 pm
I unvoted 4mask.
Unvote 4mask; Unvote 4mask.
Mmm, had an inkling suspicion that with the # of votes in play, there'd be someone/someone's able to do shenanigans with em.
THIS IS UNJUST. VOTES ARE STOOPID.
Post by: flabort on September 15, 2014, 07:49:50 pm
I'll be nice, since I've watched everyone squirm with confusion over this long enough.
Put one vote somewhere else to remove your current ghost votes, then unvote again to turn that into a ghost vote. Or voting someone else will also turn that into a ghost vote, while putting your actual vote on whoever you voted.
Unless you've got a certain power, which Persus claimed to have, you only have to place one at a time, even if you have more available, which can be used to not scatter so many ghost votes.
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 07:53:09 pm
Err, you can aid people on abilities as a GM?
...That is a wacky ability.
I AM A GHOST. FEAR MY INCORPOREAL WRATH.
However, I had 3 votes. One is missing despite me dictating an unvote of all.
Interesting.
Superblackcat; BlitzDungeoneer.
Unvote all.
Post by: flabort on September 15, 2014, 07:59:50 pm
Also, I assume the ';' means that you pause before placing the other vote, that they are separate votes.
Also, before your post 3 replies above, you had used an unvote all; this is an unvote. Then you tried to unvote 4mask again, despite already having removed your vote (and the ghost vote being left).
The ability that is causing this is achieving it's goal very well.
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Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 08:04:37 pm
So...the 'all' does not parse into saying 'unvote all unvotes'.
WHAT IS THIS SORCERY.
A-and...then nothing on SBC.
Unvote Blitz.
Meowcount :I
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Post by: Persus13 on September 15, 2014, 08:07:10 pm
Wha?Yes, but when you unvote, you need to do it twice to avoid the ghost of the vote being there. This has been explained multiple times.
I unvoted 4mask.
Unvote 4mask; Unvote 4mask.
Mmm, had an inkling suspicion that with the # of votes in play, there'd be someone/someone's able to do shenanigans with em.
THIS IS UNJUST. VOTES ARE STOOPID.
You're insisting that SBC is confirmed town, really? No one is confirmed town in this game until they flip, and even then the role-flip may be messed with. Do you really think that with so many roles you can be 100% certain of someone's alignment? Mastahcheese might have secretly gotten redirected, maybe Mastahcheese and SBC are actually scum and one of his abilities is faking his powers shown to you. No one is confirmed town. Are these scenarios slightly paranoid? Yes. Is it likely SBC is town? Yes. But saying he's confirmed town is NOT true.Yeah, I'll step on you now. :v- several inspectors (Cheese, NQT, Tiruin (?), from the top of my head)TheDarkStar also claimed an alignment inspect.
- 1 confirmed (by Cheese) town (SBC)
Also, saying SBC is confirmed town is wrong. He's likely town but we don't know if he's confirmed town.
SBC IS CONFIRMED TOWN AND YOU WILL BELIEVE IT--ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHERWISE IS DOOMED TO-
yes.
He's CONFIRMED Town and anyone who says otherwise has pretty much missed Mastahcheese's point. Reiterated tons of times ago.
If you had looked at the extra role list I had sent in, you would have seen "The role that causes a player to win D3" was one of the roles I submitted to flabort.Sooo... some lucky git is going to win on Day 3....How and why? Where?
Everyone: We have 24 hours to go. Who is your top scumpick, and who do you wish to see lynch today if it is not your top scumpick. If you are not voting currently and have a vote, why aren't you using it?
Flabort: Could we also have a list of the players not currently voting?
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 08:12:34 pm
Oh now I get it >_>Wha?Yes, but when you unvote, you need to do it twice to avoid the ghost of the vote being there. This has been explained multiple times.
I unvoted 4mask.
Unvote 4mask; Unvote 4mask.
Mmm, had an inkling suspicion that with the # of votes in play, there'd be someone/someone's able to do shenanigans with em.
THIS IS UNJUST. VOTES ARE STOOPID.
This has been explained 'multiple times' by Flabort though.
If I missed anything--I only knew it by his latest posts.
Unless I did miss something you saw?
I believe you have either missed my constant orientation towards SBC, or are on a tangent literally unable to comprehend the powers I, and by association MC, wields.You're insisting that SBC is confirmed town, really? No one is confirmed town in this game until they flip, and even then the role-flip may be messed with. Do you really think that with so many roles you can be 100% certain of someone's alignment? Mastahcheese might have secretly gotten redirected, maybe Mastahcheese and SBC are actually scum and one of his abilities is faking his powers shown to you. No one is confirmed town. Are these scenarios slightly paranoid? Yes. Is it likely SBC is town? Yes. But saying he's confirmed town is NOT true.Yeah, I'll step on you now. :v- several inspectors (Cheese, NQT, Tiruin (?), from the top of my head)TheDarkStar also claimed an alignment inspect.
- 1 confirmed (by Cheese) town (SBC)
Also, saying SBC is confirmed town is wrong. He's likely town but we don't know if he's confirmed town.
SBC IS CONFIRMED TOWN AND YOU WILL BELIEVE IT--ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHERWISE IS DOOMED TO-
yes.
He's CONFIRMED Town and anyone who says otherwise has pretty much missed Mastahcheese's point. Reiterated tons of times ago.
Let me reiterate.
SBC is, at this moment, confirmed town.
He cannot be redirected. He cannot be lied to.
If you wish to add blatant paranoia to the case, then be free to do so--I see the truth, however.
NOBODY CAN CHALLENGE THE GRACES OF THE ALL-FATHER. YOU DARE CHALLENGE HE, PEASANT?
On what grounds did you think this idea doubtful? What thoughts provoked an announcement of such measures? How far does doubt touch your mind that you are able to speak with such verbosity in this case?
*taps the last orange part*
How certain are you of that, friend? :)
Post by: flabort on September 15, 2014, 08:13:26 pm
So unvote, unvote is not a thing.
If I have let it slide in the past, I shouldn't have.
Not voting, but has a vote right now:
Tiruin, Blitz, GayArchaea
As you can see, not voting does not mean that you don't have a ghost vote out there.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 15, 2014, 08:14:55 pm
Everyone: We have 24 hours to go. Who is your top scumpick, and who do you wish to see lynch today if it is not your top scumpick. If you are not voting currently and have a vote, why aren't you using it?4maskwolf is my top scumpick right now. Also, I realized that I forgot to vote him again; Unvote, 4maskwolf.
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 08:15:34 pm
Yeah, I just noticed after posting.If you had looked at the extra role list I had sent in, you would have seen "The role that causes a player to win D3" was one of the roles I submitted to flabort.Sooo... some lucky git is going to win on Day 3....How and why? Where?
However I doubt that the roles are tailored to match the ability--insofar being a wincon--to the letter.
Meaning I do believe that role is with a person who has a counter-winning scenario.
Unvote Blitz.
Twice.
TWICE.
Post by: flabort on September 15, 2014, 08:19:12 pm
You can't move your vote from an unvote to an unvote.
I think I've explained that you can't unvote when you have no vote.
So unvote, unvote is not a thing.
If I have let it slide in the past, I shouldn't have.
OK, adding a not-voting section to the votecount.
Post by: Persus13 on September 15, 2014, 08:32:49 pm
How certain am I that SBC is not confirmed town? About 100%. It doesn't matter how reliable mastahcheese's inspect, I bet something counters, blocks, or does stuff to it. And even if there isn't that possibility you didn't even mention the scenario I brought up where mastahcheese is scum and one of his roles has the goal of giving fake roles to you. SBC is NOT confirmed town.I believe you have either missed my constant orientation towards SBC, or are on a tangent literally unable to comprehend the powers I, and by association MC, wields.You're insisting that SBC is confirmed town, really? No one is confirmed town in this game until they flip, and even then the role-flip may be messed with. Do you really think that with so many roles you can be 100% certain of someone's alignment? Mastahcheese might have secretly gotten redirected, maybe Mastahcheese and SBC are actually scum and one of his abilities is faking his powers shown to you. No one is confirmed town. Are these scenarios slightly paranoid? Yes. Is it likely SBC is town? Yes. But saying he's confirmed town is NOT true.Yeah, I'll step on you now. :v- several inspectors (Cheese, NQT, Tiruin (?), from the top of my head)TheDarkStar also claimed an alignment inspect.
- 1 confirmed (by Cheese) town (SBC)
Also, saying SBC is confirmed town is wrong. He's likely town but we don't know if he's confirmed town.
SBC IS CONFIRMED TOWN AND YOU WILL BELIEVE IT--ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHERWISE IS DOOMED TO-
yes.
He's CONFIRMED Town and anyone who says otherwise has pretty much missed Mastahcheese's point. Reiterated tons of times ago.
Let me reiterate.
SBC is, at this moment, confirmed town.
He cannot be redirected. He cannot be lied to.
If you wish to add blatant paranoia to the case, then be free to do so--I see the truth, however.
NOBODY CAN CHALLENGE THE GRACES OF THE ALL-FATHER. YOU DARE CHALLENGE HE, PEASANT?
On what grounds did you think this idea doubtful? What thoughts provoked an announcement of such measures? How far does doubt touch your mind that you are able to speak with such verbosity in this case?
*taps the last orange part*
How certain are you of that, friend? :)
Why do I find it doubtful that SBC is confirmed town? Because I've read plenty of games where someone who was supposedly confirmed town to a lot people were scum. Just look at UI in Kingmaker 4, or 4maskwolf in CYOMasquerade.
In addition, if mastahcheese was scum, claiming that he has a superinspect, and blocks and then kills those who try and go after him is a pretty good way to get interested town of your tail. If his claim is true (which is more likely), then there has to be roles that counters him, because his role is pretty overpowered.
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 08:56:09 pm
WHY DO YOU NOT BELIEVE.
Alright-let me state it in the clearest way possible. At the time of MC's inspect--SBC IS CONFIRMED TOWN. THIS MAY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE BUT AT THE MOMENT HE IS BLOODY FLIPPING CONFIRMED TOWN TO THE HIGHEST ORDER AND DEGREE, BY WHICH NO AMENDMENT TO HIS ALIGNMENT, AT THAT TIME AND CURRENT HAPPENING, MAY HAPPEN. HE IS CONFIRMED TOWN BY WHICH NO GODFATHER ASSOCIATION, THIRD-PARTY ALIGNMENT, MULTIPLE FIXATION TOWARDS ALIGNMENT, OR PRESENCE OF ANY OBFUSCATORY ROLL OR MILLER STATUS MAY BE A DETRIMENT TO.
Now READ THE FINE PRINT IN CAPITAL LETTERS. TWICE OVER.
Persus13; Persus13; Persus13
You could do well by just saying 'I don't believe MC.' Given that he relayed EVERY DARN DETAIL ABOUT IT.
In addition, if mastahcheese was scum, claiming that he has a superinspect, and blocks and then kills those who try and go after him is a pretty good way to get interested town of your tail. If his claim is true (which is more likely), then there has to be roles that counters him, because his role is pretty overpowered.Yeah, he ain't. I know. I've dropped subtle hints. He did not err but even once.
His claim is true and you'll have to go through me to say its a lie.
BRING IT. I HAVE A SWORD AND KNOW HOW TO USE IT.
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 08:59:14 pm
Why do I find it doubtful that SBC is confirmed town? Because I've read plenty of games where someone who was supposedly confirmed town to a lot people were scum. Just look at UI in Kingmaker 4, or 4maskwolf in CYOMasquerade.METAKNOWLEDGE WILL NOT HELP YOU HERE, PEASANT.
State the case in direct detail. You cannot judge it fully because you're an observer, instead of one who truly knows the ability--like how you say this 'just look', as results are plaintive compared to now.
You could just say 'MC may be lying', which you don't. Why aren't you straight up with your words? If such is the case, why aren't you even forwarding the notion of me alongside MC?
I mean, really. I thought there was a miscommunication that you may think 'he is confirmed town now but not perhaps later on', which presumes a convert--by which I also conclude the same, hence my rewording into him being confirmed town, with the underlying thought that it is inferred that that proof exists at the moment it is mentioned and not as a continuous effect henceforth.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 15, 2014, 09:04:06 pm
Why do I find it doubtful that SBC is confirmed town? Because I've read plenty of games where someone who was supposedly confirmed town to a lot people were scum. Just look at UI in Kingmaker 4, or 4maskwolf in CYOMasquerade.I wasn't in Kingmaker 4.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 15, 2014, 09:21:27 pm
Why do I find it doubtful that SBC is confirmed town? Because I've read plenty of games where someone who was supposedly confirmed town to a lot people were scum. Just look at UI in Kingmaker 4, or 4maskwolf in CYOMasquerade.METAKNOWLEDGE WILL NOT HELP YOU HERE, PEASANT.
State the case in direct detail. You cannot judge it fully because you're an observer, instead of one who truly knows the ability--like how you say this 'just look', as results are plaintive compared to now.
You could just say 'MC may be lying', which you don't. Why aren't you straight up with your words? If such is the case, why aren't you even forwarding the notion of me alongside MC?
I mean, really. I thought there was a miscommunication that you may think 'he is confirmed town now but not perhaps later on', which presumes a convert--by which I also conclude the same, hence my rewording into him being confirmed town, with the underlying thought that it is inferred that that proof exists at the moment it is mentioned and not as a continuous effect henceforth.
Uh, Tiruin, you seem somewhat... fanatical. What excactly is the case for SBC being town, and why are you defending someone else? It seems like a Tiruin/SBC/mastahcheese scumteam at this moment, actually, since you keep depending on each other. None of us will believe you for sure unless other people can check you, too.
PPE: Maybe she's a jester or has a post restriction? She's posting very oddly.
Post by: Persus13 on September 15, 2014, 09:45:12 pm
You're right, It was King of the Mafia 4Why do I find it doubtful that SBC is confirmed town? Because I've read plenty of games where someone who was supposedly confirmed town to a lot people were scum. Just look at UI in Kingmaker 4, or 4maskwolf in CYOMasquerade.I wasn't in Kingmaker 4.
Let me just facepalm.Remove the not, and this was my exact same reaction to this post.
WHY DO YOU NOT BELIEVE.
Alright-let me state it in the clearest way possible. At the time of MC's inspect--SBC IS CONFIRMED TOWN.You've said this already multiple times. And I still take issue with it.
Persus13; Persus13; Persus13No, I wouldn't do well by saying that, because I believe SBC is likely town. Just that he isn't confirmed town. So why are you voting me Tiruin?
You could do well by just saying 'I don't believe MC.' Given that he relayed EVERY DARN DETAIL ABOUT IT.
In addition, if mastahcheese was scum, claiming that he has a superinspect, and blocks and then kills those who try and go after him is a pretty good way to get interested town of your tail. If his claim is true (which is more likely), then there has to be roles that counters him, because his role is pretty overpowered.Yeah, he ain't. I know. I've dropped subtle hints. He did not err but even once.
His claim is true and you'll have to go through me to say its a lie.
BRING IT. I HAVE A SWORD AND KNOW HOW TO USE IT.
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And I'm not saying its a lie. I'm saying ways it could be a lie to show you why SBC isn't confirmed town.
Do you have to RP as Joan of Arc? Because that's what I'm getting a vibe of.
Um, no. That's citing past examples to prove my point.Why do I find it doubtful that SBC is confirmed town? Because I've read plenty of games where someone who was supposedly confirmed town to a lot people were scum. Just look at UI in Kingmaker 4, or 4maskwolf in CYOMasquerade.METAKNOWLEDGE WILL NOT HELP YOU HERE, PEASANT.
State the case in direct detail. You cannot judge it fully because you're an observer, instead of one who truly knows the ability--like how you say this 'just look', as results are plaintive compared to now.Confirmed town is normally subjective. For instance in a normal game of mafia, the cop knows someone is confirmed town while the rest of the town doesn't. But this isn't a normal game. There were, what 150 roles in this game? What if one role reverses inspect abilities and is held by scum? We don't know everything, so we can't know for 100% certainty that SBC is confirmed town.
You could just say 'MC may be lying', which you don't. Why aren't you straight up with your words? If such is the case, why aren't you even forwarding the notion of me alongside MC?Because MC lying is one of many different possible scenarios. I am straight up. My point is that SBC isn't confirmed town. I'm not trying to insinuate that MC is lying or that he is scum. It's a possibility, but that's not my goal. If you've noticed, my vote has stayed on TheDarkStar.
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 10:16:09 pm
And I'm not saying its a lie. I'm saying ways it could be a lie to show you why SBC isn't confirmed town.In addition, if mastahcheese was scum, claiming that he has a superinspect, and blocks and then kills those who try and go after him is a pretty good way to get interested town of your tail. If his claim is true (which is more likely), then there has to be roles that counters him, because his role is pretty overpowered.Yeah, he ain't. I know. I've dropped subtle hints. He did not err but even once.
His claim is true and you'll have to go through me to say its a lie.
BRING IT. I HAVE A SWORD AND KNOW HOW TO USE IT.
Do you have to RP as Joan of Arc? Because that's what I'm getting a vibe of.
[/quote]mMMmm, interesting fellow, you are.
...But no. This isn't RP'ing as Joan of Arc or anything along that notice. Personally, I'm a historian along that line and by no way will I damn her name, in a game or in any other reference towards her. Just having fun with RP is all.
What gave you the idea of Joan of Arc, however? Of all the notes I made in vague (French//Crusade//Saladin), you pick a very obscure and popular idea.
...That in no way jives with my RP.
Just pokes, is all. I'm working on the ideology of rapid response or emotional intel in the way I give my votes.Persus13; Persus13; Persus13No, I wouldn't do well by saying that, because I believe SBC is likely town. Just that he isn't confirmed town. So why are you voting me Tiruin?
You could do well by just saying 'I don't believe MC.' Given that he relayed EVERY DARN DETAIL ABOUT IT.
And I'm not saying its a lie. I'm saying ways it could be a lie to show you why SBC isn't confirmed town.In addition, if mastahcheese was scum, claiming that he has a superinspect, and blocks and then kills those who try and go after him is a pretty good way to get interested town of your tail. If his claim is true (which is more likely), then there has to be roles that counters him, because his role is pretty overpowered.Yeah, he ain't. I know. I've dropped subtle hints. He did not err but even once.
His claim is true and you'll have to go through me to say its a lie.
BRING IT. I HAVE A SWORD AND KNOW HOW TO USE IT.
[/quote]Back to here--yes, I fully understand that. I've taken the matter in full perspective ever since Cheese dropped the hints between he and I. He's not 'confirmed town' in that we may believe he'll stay town (though only in the possibility of a convert, in the future time from now) but at the time of MC's claim, as well as the time he announced it, SBC is confirmed town, as of that time. :v
Did you take in the conditions in which the confirmation takes place?
So what are these examples, actually?Um, no. That's citing past examples to prove my point.Why do I find it doubtful that SBC is confirmed town? Because I've read plenty of games where someone who was supposedly confirmed town to a lot people were scum. Just look at UI in Kingmaker 4, or 4maskwolf in CYOMasquerade.METAKNOWLEDGE WILL NOT HELP YOU HERE, PEASANT.
Infer that I'm too lazy and/or sick and its exam time that I cannot be bothered to check your case for you by usage of your references, and that you linking, quoting directly or explaining it in your own words would suffice.
...I have already taken those ideas under research and personal observation. Now, put these factors against me saying what I'm saying, instead of assuming against direct evidence (though merely spoken).State the case in direct detail. You cannot judge it fully because you're an observer, instead of one who truly knows the ability--like how you say this 'just look', as results are plaintive compared to now.Confirmed town is normally subjective. For instance in a normal game of mafia, the cop knows someone is confirmed town while the rest of the town doesn't. But this isn't a normal game. There were, what 150 roles in this game? What if one role reverses inspect abilities and is held by scum? We don't know everything, so we can't know for 100% certainty that SBC is confirmed town.You could just say 'MC may be lying', which you don't. Why aren't you straight up with your words? If such is the case, why aren't you even forwarding the notion of me alongside MC?Because MC lying is one of many different possible scenarios. I am straight up. My point is that SBC isn't confirmed town. I'm not trying to insinuate that MC is lying or that he is scum. It's a possibility, but that's not my goal. If you've noticed, my vote has stayed on TheDarkStar.
Yes! It's a very nice point to speculate on but I'm saying straight out that he is confirmed town--as of this time. Note the discarding of any other mention by me not saying it, in the first place.
'We' is everyone else but me and MC. And "WE" say he's 100% confirmed, as of this mention.
Doesn't that paint a nice target sign on us?
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 10:22:14 pm
Yeah we're totally scum :vWhy do I find it doubtful that SBC is confirmed town? Because I've read plenty of games where someone who was supposedly confirmed town to a lot people were scum. Just look at UI in Kingmaker 4, or 4maskwolf in CYOMasquerade.METAKNOWLEDGE WILL NOT HELP YOU HERE, PEASANT.
State the case in direct detail. You cannot judge it fully because you're an observer, instead of one who truly knows the ability--like how you say this 'just look', as results are plaintive compared to now.
You could just say 'MC may be lying', which you don't. Why aren't you straight up with your words? If such is the case, why aren't you even forwarding the notion of me alongside MC?
I mean, really. I thought there was a miscommunication that you may think 'he is confirmed town now but not perhaps later on', which presumes a convert--by which I also conclude the same, hence my rewording into him being confirmed town, with the underlying thought that it is inferred that that proof exists at the moment it is mentioned and not as a continuous effect henceforth.
Uh, Tiruin, you seem somewhat... fanatical. What excactly is the case for SBC being town, and why are you defending someone else? It seems like a Tiruin/SBC/mastahcheese scumteam at this moment, actually, since you keep depending on each other. None of us will believe you for sure unless other people can check you, too.
PPE: Maybe she's a jester or has a post restriction? She's posting very oddly.
Could you expound on the ideologies on that case? What made you say the last part--I'm pretty sure I made nothing of that sort.
That's an...interesting observation of a probable scumteam. Could you detail why, though?
Also what is 'odd' here?
YOU DON'T HAVE A NECK TIE.
Post by: TolyK on September 15, 2014, 11:17:17 pm
But really? I don't care.
U will show you why..
Because Cheese is definitely an inspector (or has a chat with an inspector...) because otherwise he *couldn't have known* that I can't win.
Thus, either I'm also in the coalition, or he's telling more or less the truth for now.
If he has a chat with an inspector on the line (scum, mason, etc.) then he could be lying, but then he's not lying about his results (yet).
TDS, however funny it may seem, I really don't think they could be one scum team. At most two of them. Also, please, find better reasons. :p
In my percentage system, I'd give SBC a 96% town reading. Unless other factors.
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 11:19:18 pm
Tiruin... You're not actually making sense here, as in your logic is flawed.Yeah? Where.
YOU'RE NEVER DIRECT.
Thus, either I'm also in the coalition, or he's telling more or less the truth for now.What coalition? -_-
If he has a chat with an inspector on the line (scum, mason, etc.) then he could be lying, but then he's not lying about his results (yet).
I don't even know what assumptions you're adding onto this, so be direct for once.
Post by: Persus13 on September 15, 2014, 11:21:39 pm
Tiruin... You're not actually making sense here, as in your logic is flawed.This post should probably be to me, not Tiruin. Also, I'd probably put SBC at around 90%. Also, how does knowing about your auto confirm MC as knowing SBC is town?
But really? I don't care.
U will show you why..
Because Cheese is definitely an inspector (or has a chat with an inspector...) because otherwise he *couldn't have known* that I can't win.
Thus, either I'm also in the coalition, or he's telling more or less the truth for now.
If he has a chat with an inspector on the line (scum, mason, etc.) then he could be lying, but then he's not lying about his results (yet).
TDS, however funny it may seem, I really don't think they could be one scum team. At most two of them. Also, please, find better reasons. :p
In my percentage system, I'd give SBC a 96% town reading. Unless other factors.
Post by: Superblackcat on September 15, 2014, 11:47:16 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 15, 2014, 11:49:15 pm
IT IS NOT GOOD TO DEPEND ON POWER ROLES PURELY.
Guys, this is turning into a massive ... crazy discussion, and no one is willing to provide any more information. So I think we should Shorten and see what the night brings us. We'll also get to see some night time roles in action.Preference for night action instead of day discussion?
Post by: Cheeetar on September 15, 2014, 11:49:49 pm
Unvote SBC, vote SBC.
PFP :P
Post by: Superblackcat on September 15, 2014, 11:52:53 pm
I can't even vote anyone, so there's really no use for me to try to vote someone. And I can't really respond to other people's votes.
But there are what, 15 players? with 5 non-towns? that's 10 townies. Right now, most of us have role restrictions, and stuff that makes this discussion... painful.
Also, I would like to see my Night actions in use, they are, if I'm honest, pretty damn cool.
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 01:43:36 am
That was to Persus, not Tiruin, yeah.
And the assumptions I'm making are these:
- Cheese inspected my role and doesn't just know it from some other source
- Cheese is not partially lying (i.e. saying some true and some false info.
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 01:44:45 am
Aurgh.Please state the basis for both assumptions and how they make sense to you.
That was to Persus, not Tiruin, yeah.
And the assumptions I'm making are these:
- Cheese inspected my role and doesn't just know it from some other source
- Cheese is not partially lying (i.e. saying some true and some false info.
THIS IS SUSPICIOUS.
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 01:50:15 am
Happens to the ... best(?) ... Of us.
1) If he knows it from somewhere else, as in a buddy, then that case is hard to track unless you read scum chat.
2) This is the assumption of trustworthiness - if he's saying the truth partially he's likely to be telling it completely. Of course, buddying is entirely possible.
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 02:52:28 am
YOU'RE HIDING SOMETHING.
By which I mean--NO, he did not target you. ::)
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 04:41:36 am
Then how the hell does he know TolyK's auto?
Tiruin, now you explain.
What do you mean by that, and how do you know it?
Post by: GayArchaea on September 16, 2014, 08:31:57 am
Perseus13, on Reply #581, you said that you should've mentioned one of those roles earlier.
A very simple question, What was that role?
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 08:48:17 am
Wait.Know WHAT?!
Then how the hell does he know TolyK's auto?
Tiruin, now you explain.
What do you mean by that, and how do you know it?
I'm tired of that italic underline talk which adds nothing but mist to wade through to even get your point.
How do I know what? Your auto? I bloody don't, however I know he did NOT target you!
NOW WHAT WILL I EXPLAIN? EXPLAIN WHAT? THE SENTENCE IS BROKEN AND UNATTACHED.
I don't know you auto but I'm explaining what has happened.
Aurgh.If its in anyway connected to this--then you're pretty much losing me by adding assumptions to the letter and being extremely vague while waving some kind of point in front of me.
That was to Persus, not Tiruin, yeah.
And the assumptions I'm making are these:
- Cheese inspected my role and doesn't just know it from some other source
- Cheese is not partially lying (i.e. saying some true and some false info.
What are you trying to say, rather. Is in fact a day inspect redirected to you or what?
I mean check the orange part. What kind of impact does that have but say 'oh he may be lying...'. It's like its wishy-washy instead of taking a stance. :/
Post by: Toaster on September 16, 2014, 09:00:09 am
If yes, has he seen yours? Are you two masons? With a chat?
Do you receive a copy of all messages he does?
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 09:13:48 am
If we had a chat, it would've been tons easier to communicate.
WE WOULD BE GLORIOUS, WITH OUR SHOES TIED.
But no. We have abilities in accordance with each other--I have poked him in thread about it and he reciprocates the matter quite openly (hinted) with me, hence why I am able to defend him quite capably and heartily.
On the last part? I have no idea whatsoever, yet I am able to get a...err, PM, from Webbywebweb. It showed the same target he had.
So yeah. Didn't want to reveal that but there.
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 09:16:37 am
You're saying he didn't do something that he obviously did.
Please explain that.
Yes, do please.
I really am leaning towards you two having a chat/lovers/whatever.
And you not seeing him saying what he did, and thus saying it didn't happen.
Or you're both scum, which is totally possible.
Ppe: That explains the second part, but he very obviously still actioned me...
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 09:18:16 am
How do you know that he didn't target me? He said himself that he targeted me and gave me info about myself.Link it :v
You're saying he didn't do something that he obviously did.
Because what I'm defending here is the inspect. I have no idea what you're talking about here...
NEGATIVITY.
Post by: Toaster on September 16, 2014, 09:25:02 am
But no. We have abilities in accordance with each other--I have poked him in thread about it and he reciprocates the matter quite openly (hinted) with me, hence why I am able to defend him quite capably and heartily.
So you have some matchup in abilities. Unless there's something else you're not claiming, there's nothing that verifies MC's alignment in all that. From that, you can't 100% trust MC in shooting things straight to you, which means you can't call SBC 100% confirmed town.
In short, it's the MC -> Tiruin link in the chain that is suspect.
On the last part? I have no idea whatsoever, yet I am able to get a...err, PM, from Webbywebweb. It showed the same target he had.
From... Webadict?
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 09:31:16 am
...I'm confusing this game with Webadict because BYOR in title -_-On the last part? I have no idea whatsoever, yet I am able to get a...err, PM, from Webbywebweb. It showed the same target he had.
From... Webadict?
It's exam time. My brain is friend.
In short, it's the MC -> Tiruin link in the chain that is suspect.*sigh*
Look, I said this in the first 'coming out' post I had in reference to MC. I'm in no way aligned, in contact, knowledgeable of, or in anyway whatsoever assumed to know his powers in any way form or idea. Vice versa, I do believe he pretty much knows of his implication towards me, however.
So you have some matchup in abilities. Unless there's something else you're not claiming, there's nothing that verifies MC's alignment in all that. From that, you can't 100% trust MC in shooting things straight to you, which means you can't call SBC 100% confirmed town....I'll reword it.
He has an ability I have. It's totally random and uncontrollable. It's a random infallible inspect.
I can't use it at the moment because lolabilities. He, it seems, can. Do note the talk we had earlier about mirrors and buddies-in-that-way.
Because that Flabort PM I'm talking about? It made me curious as to all heck and beyond--consider my hints and suspicions towards MC earlier in game?
Yeah.
SBC is 100% confirmed Town. At the moment of MC shooting off his day-thing.
I am able to know that, for some reason (despite it not saying in my ability that...err, 'if someone else uses this you know the result'.)
Surprisingly, the result equals an...err, equal. So yeah.
Push coincidence, probability, and confusion into a blender and you get my first impression. I had to take care of that before anything else and try to analyze from the shadows--I poked at MC quite thoroughly and did not find him wanting.
...Though yeah. It's him > me that is suspect, but I chose to not poke it at that level because of his sincerity towards me.
Post by: Toaster on September 16, 2014, 09:36:31 am
Now things are making more sense, though I don't see why you get a copy of the PM. That said, is the inspect guaranteed sane? Did the PM itself indicate it came from MC in anyway?
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 09:40:18 am
@Tiruin: So you got agenda-copy as well?This was the post in question.
Hmm, this is more powerful than I thought.
Oh, and so you know, I know exactly why you want scum to target you.
I can do it too, only better.
Don't ask me how I know, just remember I can't vote.
@TolyK: If you think killing me thrice would be anything more than a minor irritation to me, you've no idea.
That said, I now understand why you're acting this way, and why you can't win.
I can't fix the problem, however. At least not for you.
@Jack: Because you know exactly why.
I am a member of the Canadian Government.
I challenge the hunter to kill me.
@NQT: Yes, I am playing.
Do you not realize that?
Also, I've realized that I was really insane back there. XD
Join us.
Join us.
JOOOOIN UUUUUUS
Also, I can say who the brother is and/or who (s)he is brothered to, but I'll currently withhold. I'll only say that 4mask is a good guy in my book.
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 09:41:45 am
NOW THE MYSTERY BEGINS. ALSO NEGATIVITY.
Now I've no idea if there is an origin in the first place but my impression since then was 'oh huh he must have an ability that lets him mimic...me...somehow?'
Or someone knows my role. :v
That said, is the inspect guaranteed sane? Did the PM itself indicate it came from MC in anyway?To balance me somewhat, I cannot act that action right now. It is a random infallible and totally sane which can break through any defense inspect. Emphasis: Random.
The PM had no link to MC other than in-flavor confusion of the messengers. So I was confused and cautious when it came out.
...You. >:I@Tiruin: So you got agenda-copy as well?This was the post in question.
Hmm, this is more powerful than I thought.
Oh, and so you know, I know exactly why you want scum to target you.
I can do it too, only better.
Don't ask me how I know, just remember I can't vote.
@TolyK: If you think killing me thrice would be anything more than a minor irritation to me, you've no idea.
That said, I now understand why you're acting this way, and why you can't win.
I can't fix the problem, however. At least not for you.
@Jack: Because you know exactly why.
I am a member of the Canadian Government.
I challenge the hunter to kill me.
@NQT: Yes, I am playing.
Do you not realize that?
Also, I've realized that I was really insane back there. XD
Join us.
Join us.
JOOOOIN UUUUUUS
Also, I can say who the brother is and/or who (s)he is brothered to, but I'll currently withhold. I'll only say that 4mask is a good guy in my book.
Did you...bother asking MC? Because looking at the post in question = you assumed he could, rather.
Post by: notquitethere on September 16, 2014, 09:41:58 am
Also, I can say who the brother is and/or who (s)he is brothered to, but I'll currently withhold. I'll only say that 4mask is a good guy in my book.So you claim to have information about another player's role alignment and you don't intend to share. WHY?
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 09:47:23 am
TolyK is confused...
I would be, and U would be, too...
NQT, those people might not like it. I'll claim tomorrow, sure, just inspect Varee, somebody...
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 09:49:30 am
Tiruin, but ... I said that you were lying... Because you said something that contradicted what Cheese said.. . .?
Your memory may be worse than mine. And yet it's exams here.
:P
I LAUGH IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION. LAUGH WITH ME!
NQT, those people might not like it. I'll claim tomorrow, sure, just inspect Varee, somebody...I am too confused by your antics to note how subtle this is.
...Or, on why you aren't answering the query of 'why'. I can already scope out a plaintive answer but...
Where's your why to NQT's why?
Post by: Varee on September 16, 2014, 09:52:10 am
Tiruin, but ... I said that you were lying... Because you said something that contradicted what Cheese said.Why do you want me inspected toylk? I dont really see why you specifically target me with a request that wouldnt really give you any trustable information?
TolyK is confused...
I would be, and U would be, too...
NQT, those people might not like it. I'll claim tomorrow, sure, just inspect Varee, somebody...
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 10:09:06 am
Tiruin: So basically it's your ability loaned out to him? Does the loan originate from you or him (IE do you have a "give away ability" ability or does he have a "bum ability from someone else" ability?)Nowhere in my roles do I have any note of sharing/giving away-ness.
NEGATIVITY.
I have no idea on his side.
Post by: notquitethere on September 16, 2014, 10:10:19 am
NQT, those people might not like it. I'll claim tomorrow, sure, just inspect Varee, somebody...I'm not doing anything you tell me. Why should we care what people like, if the info would help town then share it. I can only assume you're just making up whatever comes first to mind to waste time.
GayArchaea, Blitz, use your votes please. Players voting not only makes it less easy for scum to manipulate the votes, but it also makes it easier for town to spot patterns of favouritism and prejudice.
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 10:18:52 am
(go ahead, it'll be fine)
(yeah, do what U think...)
Ahem.
I'm the brother. I won't say who to, at least not yet, but I'm fairly certain that player is town.
You probably understand my hesitation now. Also, both 4mask and I probably need him alive to win, so I'd rather you not lynch him.
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 10:20:11 am
Maybe.
I still can't win, currently, so good luck 4mask. ;)
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 10:21:24 am
Ambiguity?
Maybe.
I still can't win, currently, so good luck 4mask. ;)
Post by: Varee on September 16, 2014, 10:21:46 am
Post by: Toaster on September 16, 2014, 10:29:08 am
Mastahcheese: Given that Tiruin has revealed more about the inspect, what else can you say about how you got it?
Post by: TheWetSheep on September 16, 2014, 10:30:56 am
Tiruin, Persus: Whether SBC is 100% confirmed or only 98% confirmed doesn't matter a whole lot right now. Why are you putting so much energy into the point?
TolyK: Why do you think your brother is town?
People voting 4mask: Why?
Post by: Toaster on September 16, 2014, 10:34:15 am
People voting 4mask: Why?
While I'm not voting him, I'm strongly considering it because he's 1) unknown 2) screwing the game with his added rules.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 16, 2014, 10:35:39 am
Tiruin is telling the truth: She has an infallible inspect that can't be targeted. I have it too.
She can only use hers during the night. I can only use mine during the night.
BUT.
I can invoke her copy during the day due to the fact that I know the full name of her power.
That is why she receives a copy of the inspect. Because technically it's her power being used.
Got it, everyone?
Now then.
TolyK is telling the truth: He can not win, and I know this because I've seen his auto that causes it.
How?
Because I have a free day action that lets me steal a random auto.
COMPLETELY SEPERATE FROM THE DAY INSPECT, ASSHOLES
Which ALSO means that if he dies while I'm holding his auto? That auto will be obfuscated from his roleflip, and I'm stuck with it permanently, so I'd really like to change the target of the power to someone else before he dies.
Got it?
Everyone happy, now?
Post by: Toaster on September 16, 2014, 10:39:08 am
Post by: Varee on September 16, 2014, 10:40:28 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 16, 2014, 10:41:37 am
Mastahcheese: Why do you have a copy of her power?I copied some of her powers before the game even began, before I even knew my alignment or other roles.
I said this earlier, but it probably would have been easy to miss.
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 10:55:46 am
Isn't that funny?
It sure is!
Post by: mastahcheese on September 16, 2014, 10:57:08 am
You copied my auto, or stole it?I stole it, you bastard!
Isn't that funny?
It sure is!
Now I have to get rid of it!
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 11:01:50 am
U didn't get told, Flabort.
If so... I think I may be able to help, either way. First confirmation, though.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 16, 2014, 11:06:37 am
Brain doesn't work today, sorry.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 16, 2014, 11:07:08 am
I read that first as "Inspect or stolen" and got confused.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 16, 2014, 11:08:19 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 16, 2014, 11:10:26 am
Copy from me next time.Since you say this, I think I won't.
But maybe I will.
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 11:15:54 am
U should as well.
Also, Flabort. You didn't miss anything regarding me, did you?
Post by: Persus13 on September 16, 2014, 01:14:07 pm
I asked you all a question here:
Everyone: We have 24 hours to go. Who is your top scumpick, and who do you wish to see lynched today, if it is not your top scumpick. If you are not voting currently and have a vote, why aren't you using it?I would like an answer.
Flabort: Votecount? Cause I think I'm among the top three lynch candidates.
Toaster:
Persus: I demand you pay me royalties for submitting me.Sure, I'll give you 20% of my profit.
Tiruin:
...But no. This isn't RP'ing as Joan of Arc or anything along that notice. Personally, I'm a historian along that line and by no way will I damn her name, in a game or in any other reference towards her. Just having fun with RP is all.I didn't notice the Saladin reference and I know you're female, plus you seemed to be almost religious-like in stating that SBC was confirmed town. I don't associate crusade with The Crusades because there were plenty of others, so with those associations, Joan of Arc was the first thing that came to mind.
What gave you the idea of Joan of Arc, however? Of all the notes I made in vague (French//Crusade//Saladin), you pick a very obscure and popular idea.
...That in no way jives with my RP.
CYOM, 4maskwolf was open and honest about what his powers were and used the trust of bussing his buddies to almost win the game. Several people were shocked to discover that he was scum.So what are these examples, actually?Um, no. That's citing past examples to prove my point.Why do I find it doubtful that SBC is confirmed town? Because I've read plenty of games where someone who was supposedly confirmed town to a lot people were scum. Just look at UI in Kingmaker 4, or 4maskwolf in CYOMasquerade.METAKNOWLEDGE WILL NOT HELP YOU HERE, PEASANT.
Infer that I'm too lazy and/or sick and its exam time that I cannot be bothered to check your case for you by usage of your references, and that you linking, quoting directly or explaining it in your own words would suffice.
King of the Mafia 4, UI was king mafia and several players believed he couldn't mafia because someone had hit him with a disable. I can't remember what went wrong, but I think it had something to do with redirects.
GayArchea:
Perseus13, on Reply #581, you said that you should've mentioned one of those roles earlier.If you looked at those roles you'd see a role that causes a player to win D3. I thought that might be important.
A very simple question, What was that role?
It's 24 hours from lynch and you're voting me and asking me a question? Generally at this point you want to be voting the person you find the most scummy?
NQT:
How many games have you played with TolyK? Because you should know by now he likes to drop tantalizing hints. And it's pretty obvious that he is the brother 4mask is allied to, even if he hadn't claimed it.Also, I can say who the brother is and/or who (s)he is brothered to, but I'll currently withhold. I'll only say that 4mask is a good guy in my book.So you claim to have information about another player's role alignment and you don't intend to share. WHY?
Varee:
Why do you seem nervous about being inspected?Tiruin, but ... I said that you were lying... Because you said something that contradicted what Cheese said.Why do you want me inspected toylk? I dont really see why you specifically target me with a request that wouldnt really give you any trustable information?
TolyK is confused...
I would be, and U would be, too...
NQT, those people might not like it. I'll claim tomorrow, sure, just inspect Varee, somebody...
TheWetSheep:
Tiruin, Persus: Whether SBC is 100% confirmed or only 98% confirmed doesn't matter a whole lot right now. Why are you putting so much energy into the point?My original statement was directed at TolyK, because TolyK loves making statements like that when he doesn't have enough evidence to back it up. Why Tiruin was so aggressive about that I don't know. I responded because I was confused why she was so sure about SBC, and it gave me something interesting to do in this game because there's been two much focus on the power part of the game and not enough on the day game, which meant not a lot of things to poke at. I think this conversation with Tiruin was helpful because it clarified the relationship between her and MC, and got conversation moving again.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 16, 2014, 01:24:20 pm
If I'm right and Varee is scum, we should lynch TolyK ASAP so I can win.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 16, 2014, 01:24:56 pm
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 03:35:36 pm
Not really...
I'm actually fine with a Varee lynch.
Persus, yup, more or less.
As to your question. I do not know anyone who is scummy per se, but Tiruin touched my suspicion meter.
Don't know who I want to lynch, though. As usual.
Post by: GayArchaea on September 16, 2014, 03:48:06 pm
My main suspect is Varee/TolyK/4mask, in accordance with my small-team theory. I'm willing to see any of them lynched, though I'd prefer 4mask first so he can't fuck with the night game.Wait, didn't the announcement at the beginning say that Varee is publicly known to be Town.
If I'm right and Varee is scum, we should lynch TolyK ASAP so I can win.
Also, The way that 4mask "fucks" with the night game is that only one NK can be done per night. Does the town not want to have as few deaths as possible during the night game.
So, Urist Imiknorris, Urist Imiknorris.
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 03:49:58 pm
Ooh scary ghost stories.
So, uh. Do whatever you guys want.
I doubt anything else will come out today.
U do, too.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 16, 2014, 03:58:39 pm
And I don't really know who I'd call scummy, either, so mostly I'm just waiting for the night to see what happens.
Post by: Toaster on September 16, 2014, 04:00:23 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 16, 2014, 04:01:31 pm
And he can devour all inspects. And if he thinks he might be allied to a brother to scum, he'll probably do it.My main suspect is Varee/TolyK/4mask, in accordance with my small-team theory. I'm willing to see any of them lynched, though I'd prefer 4mask first so he can't fuck with the night game.Wait, didn't the announcement at the beginning say that Varee is publicly known to be Town.
If I'm right and Varee is scum, we should lynch TolyK ASAP so I can win.
Also, The way that 4mask "fucks" with the night game is that only one NK can be done per night. Does the town not want to have as few deaths as possible during the night game.
So, Urist Imiknorris, Urist Imiknorris.
As for Varee, TDS is also "confirmed" town, and has stated that his confirmation is irrespective of his actual alignment.
Post by: Cheeetar on September 16, 2014, 05:37:26 pm
Unvote 4maskwolf, vote 4maskwolf.
Post by: Varee on September 16, 2014, 06:10:36 pm
@Persus: I am not sure how you get nervous from my post but i am just confuse on why he specifically ask someone to inspect me and what does that do for him.
Post by: Varee on September 16, 2014, 06:50:25 pm
espérons que vous apprécierez ce cadeau de la prise qui font tous confondre à cause de certains kinf de patrimoine canadien . je suis heureux pour vous et moi que je n'ai que de parler comme ça de temps en temps .
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 16, 2014, 06:55:38 pm
Post by: flabort on September 16, 2014, 07:12:25 pm
Votecount
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Post by: Cheeetar on September 16, 2014, 07:15:34 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 16, 2014, 07:17:52 pm
WTF, dude.
Post by: Toaster on September 16, 2014, 07:21:40 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 16, 2014, 07:25:35 pm
That wasn't me. I generate ghost votes, not reset the...
What the fuck?
Post by: flabort on September 16, 2014, 07:30:19 pm
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Post by: 4maskwolf on September 16, 2014, 07:31:10 pm
Could someone extend so we can get to the bottom of this new fuckery that is happening?
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 07:32:38 pm
IT IS HUMAN BEHAVIOR. NEGATIVITY!
espérons que vous apprécierez ce cadeau de la prise qui font tous confondre à cause de certains kinf de patrimoine canadien . je suis heureux pour vous et moi que je n'ai que de parler comme ça de temps en temps .What the french.
UI/Toaster: Why did you people explicitly point at 4mask as a first-reaction?
PPE x2
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 07:33:13 pm
Also, to everyone voting me or who has voted me for my role and abilities: I know that some of you must have shakeragian roles, some of which would probably get you lynched if they are revealed. So stop being goddamn hypocrits and lynching me because I'm honest, because, as I've said, I'll be back, and this time you'll have no way of stopping me. And I will get my revenge, because of something I have from a role I picked up. That, and killing me does nothing to me other than piss me off, so I'd rather you not....Man you're the reactionary jerk, huh.
Could someone extend so we can get to the bottom of this new fuckery that is happening?
I AM MEAN.
Extend.
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 07:34:00 pm
I know that some of you must have shakeragian roles, some of which would probably get you lynched if they are revealed.How?
PFP
Also why are you being a jerk, 4mask?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 16, 2014, 07:36:44 pm
Hmm?Also, to everyone voting me or who has voted me for my role and abilities: I know that some of you must have shakeragian roles, some of which would probably get you lynched if they are revealed. So stop being goddamn hypocrits and lynching me because I'm honest, because, as I've said, I'll be back, and this time you'll have no way of stopping me. And I will get my revenge, because of something I have from a role I picked up. That, and killing me does nothing to me other than piss me off, so I'd rather you not....Man you're the reactionary jerk, huh.
Could someone extend so we can get to the bottom of this new fuckery that is happening?
I AM MEAN.
Extend.
Oh no, I just have a suspicion that at least one person who has voted for me, if not more, are legitimately scum, because they are lynching me for honesty. Also, whoever vote-wiped is almost certainly scum, or else they should claim right now.
EBWOPFlabort posted about how many Shakeragian roles he received, and since I only sent in two I can only imagine that some people would have received other ones. Judging from the way he built my Shakeragian roles, there are at least a couple that probably have abilities that would get the user lynched if revealed.I know that some of you must have shakeragian roles, some of which would probably get you lynched if they are revealed.How?
PFP
Also why are you being a jerk, 4mask?
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 07:40:03 pm
Flabort posted about how many Shakeragian roles he received, and since I only sent in two I can only imagine that some people would have received other ones. Judging from the way he built my Shakeragian roles, there are at least a couple that probably have abilities that would get the user lynched if revealed.Where is the orange ._. I keep missing these things.
*nudges at the wording there*Hmm?Also, to everyone voting me or who has voted me for my role and abilities: I know that some of you must have shakeragian roles, some of which would probably get you lynched if they are revealed. So stop being goddamn hypocrits and lynching me because I'm honest, because, as I've said, I'll be back, and this time you'll have no way of stopping me. And I will get my revenge, because of something I have from a role I picked up. That, and killing me does nothing to me other than piss me off, so I'd rather you not....Man you're the reactionary jerk, huh.
Could someone extend so we can get to the bottom of this new fuckery that is happening?
I AM MEAN.
Extend.
Oh no, I just have a suspicion that at least one person who has voted for me, if not more, are legitimately scum, because they are lynching me for honesty. Also, whoever vote-wiped is almost certainly scum, or else they should claim right now.
You do realize that all comes off as more than mean--and hence, reactionary, right?
Because that's what it reads plaintively as. :-\
AND YOU'RE MEAN TOO.
(psst, scum. Kill me.)
Also given the state of these affairs, I really do hereby request a formal extension. There may be a role that can mess with the dead, as a valid suspicion on the 'high powered' aspect of the game.
Also...did Varee just have a post restriction in French with some note of Canada in it?
Post by: flabort on September 16, 2014, 07:41:35 pm
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Post by: 4maskwolf on September 16, 2014, 07:43:23 pm
I had said that I had received around 22 shakeragian roles at one point, iirc.
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((22 shakeragian roles and counting...))
*pokes Flabort*
Tiruin extended.
Post by: notquitethere on September 16, 2014, 07:46:36 pm
Anyone want to claim the vote wipe?
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 07:49:34 pm
Tiruin, you better do some impressive scum hunting in the extra 24 hours you've inflicted on everyone.Ooo, like you are doing anything? I've got bloody exams to cope with and I still haven't answered Persus13's query regarding the list of reads.
Anyone want to claim the vote wipe?
Now, what I've 'inflicted' is quite a notice, huh NQT (x3). Do you not consider the extra time--of which is a personal choice--useable for efficiency?
Also why the FoS? Detail your reasons.
Post by: flabort on September 16, 2014, 07:53:31 pm
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Post by: 4maskwolf on September 16, 2014, 07:56:02 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 16, 2014, 07:58:41 pm
Are the votes real, I question? Seems like an illusion given the hilarity of the votecount.
...Though I'm voting Persus13 x2, and SBC once; in yellow in the darkling format. Ghost votes?
WHAT IS THIS MAGIC. CHAOS!
Also note @Persus13: So...you thought of Joan of Arc of all the ideas that got into your head when...reading my stuff back there? As, like a reflex idea? Huh.
Very intriguing.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 16, 2014, 07:59:06 pm
Post by: flabort on September 16, 2014, 07:59:45 pm
Post by: notquitethere on September 16, 2014, 08:02:14 pm
Ooo, like you are doing anything? I've got bloody exams to cope with and I still haven't answered Persus13's query regarding the list of reads.I'm sorry you've got exams, but I'm merely saying that as you've chosen to drag out this day the onus is on you to do something with that extra time.
Now, what I've 'inflicted' is quite a notice, huh NQT (x3). Do you not consider the extra time--of which is a personal choice--useable for efficiency?No. Long days sap player will and drain interest from the game. Three times you lot have extended and as far as I can tell each time Wolf was up for the lynch. Nothing much has changed. We've learned a few more things, which is good, but we're only going to learn more after a round of night actions. You're delaying the inevitable... and for what gain? The lynch happens late at night for me so I have to stay awake if I want to see it happen (always a good idea for responding to last minute accusations), you're ensuring I have another day of screwed up sleeping.
Also why the FoS? Detail your reasons.Your knee-jerk last-minute extending is anti-game, regardless of your alignment. But really, I want to express a small degree of pressure to encourage you to make the most of the 24 hours. Why are you voting me?
Wolf
HOLY HELL WHAT THE FUCK!Yeah it's pretty weird vote behaviour. Are you going to press an alternative case? I'd rather we were lynching the Lyncher, personally.
Post by: Toaster on September 16, 2014, 08:03:22 pm
WolfHOLY HELL WHAT THE FUCK!Yeah it's pretty weird vote behaviour. Are you going to press an alternative case? I'd rather we were lynching the Lyncher, personally.
Same here, but I don't think that's happening at this point.
Post by: Jack A T on September 16, 2014, 08:05:09 pm
Quick post, while I catch up:
Unvote, vote Urist, unvote, vote Urist. I don't particularly like voting for myself.
NQT: I know you hate extensions, but isn't the votes being wiped right before the day ends a good reason for an extension?
Superblackcat: Your vote was the only one to stay when all the votes were wiped. Why was your vote the only one to stay when all the votes were wiped?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 16, 2014, 08:06:57 pm
Tiruin: I immediately voted 4mask both because I had been voting him previously, and because he had the most to gain from the vote wipe.
SBC: Would you care to speculate on the significance of the fact that yours was the only vote not wiped?
4mask 4mask. Unvote all. 4mask 4mask. Let's see if this one actually sticks.
NQT: Are you seriously arguing that giving the town time to react to the SUDDEN VOTE SCREWERY is bad on a meta level, even though this bullshit all came out of left field? And what do you mean by "you lot" exactly?
Post by: Persus13 on September 16, 2014, 09:35:26 pm
Why did you instantly assume it was 4maskwolf?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 16, 2014, 09:58:18 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 16, 2014, 10:29:47 pm
Post by: Persus13 on September 16, 2014, 10:49:42 pm
For what it's worth, I'm voting 4maskwolf as before. Also, Unvote; SuperBlackCat, since his vote is unchanged and he needs to explain why.SBC mentioned earlier that one of his roles caused his vote to be random. I assume it just revoted itself.
Tiruin, you better do some impressive scum hunting in the extra 24 hours you've inflicted on everyone.We needed to discuss this. If she hadn't extended I probably would have.
Also, to everyone voting me or who has voted me for my role and abilities: I know that some of you must have shakeragian roles, some of which would probably get you lynched if they are revealed. So stop being goddamn hypocrits and lynching me because I'm honest, because, as I've said, I'll be back, and this time you'll have no way of stopping me. And I will get my revenge, because of something I have from a role I picked up. That, and killing me does nothing to me other than piss me off, so I'd rather you not.What happens if you are NKed?
Could someone extend so we can get to the bottom of this new fuckery that is happening?
Post by: TolyK on September 16, 2014, 11:07:46 pm
However. Did you action me a second time?
I see that the votes are similar in nature to ours.
No, in ours people all just vote for the right candidate...
This is not quite what I expected.
NQT, what's wrong with extension given f'd up votes?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 16, 2014, 11:45:26 pm
Post by: Superblackcat on September 17, 2014, 12:14:00 am
Post by: Varee on September 17, 2014, 12:23:29 am
I am sorry about random frecnh but you cant blame me more than you can blame the one who summited the role (look at Jack)
Also I dont think we can get to t he bottom of this vote fuckery due to the amount of role involve..
Vote Blitz ;unvote
Just to be clear am voting blitz as his power make him the least likely to be lynch and i want to stop voting myself.
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 04:25:27 am
NQT: I know you hate extensions, but isn't the votes being wiped right before the day ends a good reason for an extension?Yeah maybe, though the votes were quickly restored to the same outcome as before and it's unlikely someone will fess up to wiping the votes (it was probably Wolf or an ally of his though). I wasn't convinced that Tiruin specifically would make good use of the extension. It was like 2AM so I was probably a bit grumpier than I ought have been.
Urist
NQT: Are you seriously arguing that giving the town time to react to the SUDDEN VOTE SCREWERY is bad on a meta level, even though this bullshit all came out of left field? And what do you mean by "you lot" exactly?You're not town so I'm not sure I have to respond to your outraged all caps. Regardless, the vote went back to the target as it was before: players had reacted. By 'you lot' I mean, all the players who always extend Day 1 despite it being the day least needing of extending.
Persus
We needed to discuss this. If she hadn't extended I probably would have.Yeah yeah. I was late to work today because I overslept after staying up for the end of the day. All this extending is going to get me fired.
Toaster
Well of course it's not going to happen if you keep voting Wolf!I'd rather we were lynching the Lyncher, personally.Same here, but I don't think that's happening at this point.
TolyK
NQT, what's wrong with extension given f'd up votes?See my responses above. In brief: extending is boring, the vote returned to wolf within the end of the day anyway, my sleep pattern is under threat.
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 04:26:01 am
Tiruin...You do know that the orange part seems to have a very significant influence on your behavior, yes?Ooo, like you are doing anything? I've got bloody exams to cope with and I still haven't answered Persus13's query regarding the list of reads.I'm sorry you've got exams, but I'm merely saying that as you've chosen to drag out this day the onus is on you to do something with that extra time.Now, what I've 'inflicted' is quite a notice, huh NQT (x3). Do you not consider the extra time--of which is a personal choice--useable for efficiency?No. Long days sap player will and drain interest from the game. Three times you lot have extended and as far as I can tell each time Wolf was up for the lynch. Nothing much has changed. We've learned a few more things, which is good, but we're only going to learn more after a round of night actions. You're delaying the inevitable... and for what gain? The lynch happens late at night for me so I have to stay awake if I want to see it happen (always a good idea for responding to last minute accusations), you're ensuring I have another day of screwed up sleeping.Also why the FoS? Detail your reasons.Your knee-jerk last-minute extending is anti-game, regardless of your alignment. But really, I want to express a small degree of pressure to encourage you to make the most of the 24 hours. Why are you voting me?
That's the basis your tone is coming from, and blaming me (where I counter with: How do you expect me to know your sacrifices for this game and why are you blaming me for it?) does not help.
Now. Stare at the purple part.
Inevitable, what? That 4mask is GOIN' DOOOOOWN?
Heck, I'm opposed to lynching 4mask. Check my vote record on him--that's one niche of yours, right?
Green only occurs if said player looks at the effort as tedious and irrelevant. In this context, the underlying suspicion of 'oh I don't pretty much care let's get this over with' comes to play. In your context, it is surprising that you would harbor such an attitude.
Tell me, between the normal text and the one in purple, are you actually invested in this game, or do you not actually care and just judge it by results?
Because it seems I've found a significant target for where my votes would lie.
PS: You sound stressy :-\ Pretty much rest, please.
Tiruin, you better do some impressive scum hunting in the extra 24 hours you've inflicted on everyone.Underlined an earlier example of why I believe you're taking it pretty...overt.
Anyone want to claim the vote wipe?
Your self-sacrifice IRL is noble. But taking it into in-game blaming?
Shameful :\
Guess what! Days always end in my early AM. I come back to loads of posts. Many stuffs happen in between that I have no control of and then day end hits.
But do you see me complain? A notice to you to realize the subtle influences on your attitude.
I WOULD HUG YOU BUT YOU ARE MEAN TO ME. THIS IS MY NEGATIVE TONE.
Seriously dude, love you lots, but I don't love that attitude...
Err...I rather extended because of that lolvote thing.Also why the FoS? Detail your reasons.Your knee-jerk last-minute extending is anti-game, regardless of your alignment. But really, I want to express a small degree of pressure to encourage you to make the most of the 24 hours. Why are you voting me?
Also for more talk.
The votes, I'd like to see as 'weight' on a scale. You can feel the pressure, but I can easily take them off. They are just as they've always been this game: tools. Non-stick, greased tools.
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 04:51:12 am
...You do know that the orange part seems to have a very significant influence on your behavior, yes?Not that significant. I always hate extensions even when I'm awake for the lynch. Imagine you were playing a boardgame and someone's taking ages to take their turn and after umming and ahhing for ages they just do what they were going to do in the fist place. That's the basic state of mafia. Everyone prevaricating. It's anti-game. I'm not blaming you for not being cognisant of my sleeping pattern, but I am expecting you to actually do some scum hunting.
That's the basis your tone is coming from, and blaming me (where I counter with: How do you expect me to know your sacrifices for this game and why are you blaming me for it?) does not help.
Now. Stare at the purple part.Then why are you voting for me? UI has claimed an anti-town role. The game is full of time-wasters and obfuscators and lurkers. Lots of good targets.
Inevitable, what? That 4mask is GOIN' DOOOOOWN?
Heck, I'm opposed to lynching 4mask. Check my vote record on him--that's one niche of yours, right?
Green only occurs if said player looks at the effort as tedious and irrelevant. In this context, the underlying suspicion of 'oh I don't pretty much care let's get this over with' comes to play. In your context, it is surprising that you would harbor such an attitude.I do care, of course, but things rarely change after an extension and besides, I have no vote today so there's nothing I can do to actively swing the vote during the extension. A flip and a round of night actions is what this game needs.
Tell me, between the normal text and the one in purple, are you actually invested in this game, or do you not actually care and just judge it by results?I'm very invested, that's why I don't want people making it boring!
Because it seems I've found a significant target for where my votes would lie.
Underlined an earlier example of why I believe you're taking it pretty...overt.Okay, my reasonable point here is that as you were the one to extend you should be the one to make the most of the extra time. Do you disagree with that?
What do you think about UI claiming lyncher to TolyK who is apparently brothered to Varee with Wolf as an ally? Do you find that apparent four player chain at all suspicious?
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 04:57:07 am
Vote Blitz ;unvoteAnd you didn't think that maybe voting for someone that could be lynched was a good idea? Are you even interested in finding scum?!
Just to be clear am voting blitz as his power make him the least likely to be lynch and i want to stop voting myself.
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 05:02:08 am
Persus13 Okay, it's near enough the end of the day. Justify why your three votes are for the three scummiest players.
Blitz why aren't you voting scum?
Gay Archaea, why is TheDarkStar a good target?
TheDarkStar, why is Jack a good target?
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 05:11:30 am
TiruinErr, you do know that the lynch happens...when it happens, right?...You do know that the orange part seems to have a very significant influence on your behavior, yes?Not that significant. I always hate extensions even when I'm awake for the lynch. Imagine you were playing a boardgame and someone's taking ages to take their turn and after umming and ahhing for ages they just do what they were going to do in the fist place. That's the basic state of mafia. Everyone prevaricating. It's anti-game. I'm not blaming you for not being cognisant of my sleeping pattern, but I am expecting you to actually do some scum hunting.
That's the basis your tone is coming from, and blaming me (where I counter with: How do you expect me to know your sacrifices for this game and why are you blaming me for it?) does not help.
That people's demeanors in Mafia are fluid, and not slabs of moveable concrete? Unlike a boardgame where most things are linear (except for chess, but there you can predict movement ;P)
Though I do get the attachment with being up for the crucial period of time...it may be unhealthy if you lack ways to reinforce what you're losing :\
TiruinObfuscators?...You do know that the orange part seems to have a very significant influence on your behavior, yes?Not that significant. I always hate extensions even when I'm awake for the lynch. Imagine you were playing a boardgame and someone's taking ages to take their turn and after umming and ahhing for ages they just do what they were going to do in the fist place. That's the basic state of mafia. Everyone prevaricating. It's anti-game. I'm not blaming you for not being cognisant of my sleeping pattern, but I am expecting you to actually do some scum hunting.
That's the basis your tone is coming from, and blaming me (where I counter with: How do you expect me to know your sacrifices for this game and why are you blaming me for it?) does not help.Now. Stare at the purple part.Then why are you voting for me? UI has claimed an anti-town role. The game is full of time-wasters and obfuscators and lurkers. Lots of good targets.
Inevitable, what? That 4mask is GOIN' DOOOOOWN?
Heck, I'm opposed to lynching 4mask. Check my vote record on him--that's one niche of yours, right?
Also stance on UI is shown below.
Well you could cut with some certain words being rude -_- That helps.Tell me, between the normal text and the one in purple, are you actually invested in this game, or do you not actually care and just judge it by results?I'm very invested, that's why I don't want people making it boring!
Because it seems I've found a significant target for where my votes would lie.
But nothing against you ._. You're an awesome NQT.
Ahh, now you make it much better! Yes, I don't disagree with that at all.Underlined an earlier example of why I believe you're taking it pretty...overt.Okay, my reasonable point here is that as you were the one to extend you should be the one to make the most of the extra time. Do you disagree with that?
What do you think about UI claiming lyncher to TolyK who is apparently brothered to Varee with Wolf as an ally? Do you find that apparent four player chain at all suspicious?
...Though people could also extend for the good of the everyone else :/
The four player chain seems to start with realizations, TolyK's vague hint-dropping all over D1...which he gives after the slightest pushing >.> and that we only knew primarily UI, and TolyK. It all began with TolyK, which somehow then got...confirmed(?) or acknowledged by the people in question.
...
So no. Not really that suspicious.
We've got 4mask//UI filling 2 of the 5 slots remaining, and given that TolyK is mixed with Varee who is mixed with 4mask, it'd not be an ideal note if either TolyK or Varee is scum. Combine that with a power that explicably says you're town--well.
...What's your view on that? Varee being a suitable lynch target?
Everyone:
I asked you all a question here:Everyone: We have 24 hours to go. Who is your top scumpick, and who do you wish to see lynched today, if it is not your top scumpick. If you are not voting currently and have a vote, why aren't you using it?I would like an answer.
Quote from: List in mention
Bottom is who I see as town.
BlitzDungeoneer
Jack A T
TheWetSheep
Urist Imiknorris
GayArchaea
Toaster
Persus13
NotQuiteThere
TolyK
4maskwolf
TheDarkStar
Varee
Superblackcat
Tiruin
Mastahcheese
Middle is who I see in descending order of 'not to be bothered with' due to many attributes in detail. Foremost being the 'role which says I'm town out loud' and 4mask being a brother-ally which doesn't really equate to scum at all, along with the note of 4mask being honest to the 5-man non-town note in the first post of the game.
Now the top is a slurry of uncertainty.
TolyK is...just weird. He's tied with Varee and 4mask, however.
BlitzDungeoneer is a null read, with nothing pinging me towards scum at all, though for the town-side, reads newbie.
Jack A T is leaning town due to how he phrases his words. It's edgy in a good sense and leads to quite pointed answers.
TheWetSheep is uncertain. Falling in with Blitz sans the newbiecard, needs more posts to get a read on, or more content.
Urist Imiknorris is a third-party. Blah blah TOWN WINCON D:, I've explained my stance towards such a measure (NQT must take note of this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5661725;topicseen#msg5661725)).
GayArchaea seems...in the uncertain part, there's a hint of mystique, but its a haze here.
Toaster is uncertain...Nothing particular comes to mind regarding his character, though I do like how he does his posts.
Persus13 falls in with Toaster, but the questioning and seeming curiosity regarding what is 'confirmed', with what I note as lacking backing is curious.
NotQuiteThere is also uncertain, but the rather particular interest in third-party focus has a note on it.
Do note that I'm not the type of person who objectively puts stances on things as if they can be easily defined out like that...especially in this game where my conventional method is broken off rails.
I'm ok with lynching any of the top (sans UI, as he's treated as equal to the rest).
Or y'all could lynch me :3 (though please don't NK me Town Vigs.)
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 05:28:59 am
THIS POST HAS ADDED NEGATIVITY.
Post by: Varee on September 17, 2014, 05:37:13 am
VareeSo NQT as far as I can tell you are not voting anyone either I mean who am I suppose to be voting?Vote Blitz ;unvoteAnd you didn't think that maybe voting for someone that could be lynched was a good idea? Are you even interested in finding scum?!
Just to be clear am voting blitz as his power make him the least likely to be lynch and i want to stop voting myself.
Wolf for having bad power that mess with the game? Tirurin for extending and prolonging the day? Or maybe tolyk to prove he is immortal? I dont see anyone that is a good pick for lynch right now. It either policy lynch or Random lynch.
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 05:59:02 am
Err, you do know that the lynch happens...when it happens, right?I need to regain my everyday zen and live in the moment. Too much anticipation of the night has made me impatient. *Breathes deeply* there really is no rush *exhales*.
That people's demeanors in Mafia are fluid, and not slabs of moveable concrete? Unlike a boardgame where most things are linear (except for chess, but there you can predict movement ;P)
Though I do get the attachment with being up for the crucial period of time...it may be unhealthy if you lack ways to reinforce what you're losing :\
Obfuscators?Yeah TolyK is obfuscatory and GayArchaea and Blitz and maybe some others have hardly posted.Like TolyK?Lurkers? Mm...though reading back, its quite hard to point out exacts using those as reference points.
Also stance on UI is shown below.
Well you could cut with some certain words being rude -_- That helps.Well I wasn't intending to be rude, so I'm sorry for coming across as a bit sharp.
But nothing against you ._. You're an awesome NQT.
The four player chain seems to start with realizations, TolyK's vague hint-dropping all over D1...which he gives after the slightest pushing >.> and that we only knew primarily UI, and TolyK. It all began with TolyK, which somehow then got...confirmed(?) or acknowledged by the people in question.We'll see if it holds up when they start flipping I guess.
...
So no. Not really that suspicious.
We've got 4mask//UI filling 2 of the 5 slots remaining, and given that TolyK is mixed with Varee who is mixed with 4mask, it'd not be an ideal note if either TolyK or Varee is scum. Combine that with a power that explicably says you're town--well.I'd rather give people who are mod-confirmed as town the benefit of the doubt for the first day at least. So Varee is a poor choice. That said, killing him would potential remove three players if everyone was telling the truth (his Brother would die and the Brother Ally would instantly lose, right?)
...What's your view on that? Varee being a suitable lynch target?
Persus
Everyone: We have 24 hours to go. Who is your top scumpick, and who do you wish to see lynched today, if it is not your top scumpick. If you are not voting currently and have a vote, why aren't you using it?UI has admitted he's an anti-town role so would probably make the best pick, but any kind of flip would tell us something at this stage. I don't have a vote.
Varee
So NQT as far as I can tell you are not voting anyone either I mean who am I suppose to be voting?I don't have a vote today, that's why I'm not voting. If your win condition was to see all the anti-town factions dead I'd expect you to think Urist Imiknorris was a good pick as he claimed lyncher and lyncher is an anti-town faction (as per the OP). I can only conclude from this THAT YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY TOWN!
Wolf for having bad power that mess with the game? Tirurin for extending and prolonging the day? Or maybe tolyk to prove he is immortal? I dont see anyone that is a good pick for lynch right now. It either policy lynch or Random lynch.
Post by: Varee on September 17, 2014, 06:10:34 am
If you come to the conclusion that I dont vote lyncher= am not town then I dont really know how to convinve you otherwise. UI target claim to be immortal So I rather have his lyncher try get rid of him than dealing with him after as already stated that lyncher target are usally town doesnt mean they have to be town.
But this all is mostly a theory as there no prove to be have as of now unless you count people that are backing each other and a provable info then by all mean.
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 06:49:24 am
NQT: I do see why you are angry, You really wanna do something during the night right NQT? maybe it for the good but it can also be interpete that you want mafia night kill to happen. While that is also unavoidable it doesnt mean that you need to go after people for extending the day.Ah, I'm not actually mad. I'm just being dramatic. It would totally be admissible to ignore UI for now and focus on catching mafia who have a kill, but you're not even doing that. In case you hadn't seen:
Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead. (Mafia, Cult, SK, Lyncher, and Assassin)
Everyone
Town's wincon is furthered by lynching lynchers. It's not furthered by lynching brothers. Both UI and Wolf could be lying, but UI has claimed a anti-town role.
Post by: Varee on September 17, 2014, 06:54:51 am
am just pointing out that I dont trust you as much as I dont trust him. For all I know you could be a lyncher trying to get UI lynch. Ig what wold saying is true I dont really want my borther lynch also but everythign seem to be policy lynch right now.
Also I got an interesting thing I want to test now
Vote NO LYNCH ;unvote
hope this rid of ghost vote maybe possibly?
Post by: TolyK on September 17, 2014, 07:07:56 am
First of all. I'm not necessarily brothered to Varee.
Second of all, U don't die if your bro-target dies.
As far as I know. It's not a one-sided lover.
I doubt 4mask is lying due to that being an insanely strange wincon to claim. Unless he wants to kill me, in which case good luck. :p
Cheese, if anyone has role-swapping abilities, we could move the non-win-auto to someone scummy.
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 07:12:24 am
If you call lynching scum a 'policy' lynch then that's the kind of policy I'd sign up to. Which part of this argument do you disagree with?
1. The town wincon is for all anti-town factions to die.
2. Urist Imiknorris has claimed an an anti-town faction (albeit one that allegedly turns into a pro-town if he fails)
3. If someone claims they're anti-town, then either they're that anti-town faction or something worse
C. The town wincon is for Urist Imiknorris to die.
TolyK
If your brother loses, then you lose. If they lose during the game, then you also leave the game. But sure, a brother to a town player wouldn't die if that player died, you're correct. Yeah, and I'm not saying the Brother relationship is two-way, I didn't mean to imply that if I did. But look, lyncher is, according to the OP, an anti-town faction, and so lynchers have to die.
Post by: TolyK on September 17, 2014, 07:16:56 am
I'm fine with being lynched at some point. To death.
Because that's one of the ways I can get rid of my "can't win".
U think we can keep UI because:
a) if I die at night 4 realz, +1 town; else he might be useful, you see what U mean?
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 07:25:04 am
Post by: Varee on September 17, 2014, 07:26:47 am
VareeI would say
If you call lynching scum a 'policy' lynch then that's the kind of policy I'd sign up to. Which part of this argument do you disagree with?
1. The town wincon is for all anti-town factions to die.
2. Urist Imiknorris has claimed an an anti-town faction (albeit one that allegedly turns into a pro-town if he fails)
3. If someone claims they're anti-town, then either they're that anti-town faction or something worse
C. The town wincon is for Urist Imiknorris to die.
1 lyncher is not exactly scum therefore I assume the term policy lynch apply.
2. even if UI claim that lynching tolyk is his wincon it might not be his only wincon. I wont cross out the potential ally/enermy off the list just yet.
3.Town wincon is for UI to die, well town wincon is not for wolf to die so see who cars about that. I dont believe that the game is only about wincon, atleast not in this power role game.
4. I dont want to vote people after the other all put their vote, there someting about my role that would be bad if am last in a lynch target line ..
Post by: Persus13 on September 17, 2014, 07:35:53 am
UI, UI, Varee
Tiruin
Middle is who I see in descending order of 'not to be bothered with' due to many attributes in detail. Foremost being the 'role which says I'm town out loud' and 4mask being a brother-ally which doesn't really equate to scum at all, along with the note of 4mask being honest to the 5-man non-town note in the first post of the gameTiruin, flabort's didn't mention that there were 5 non-town players, he mentioned there were 5 anti-town players, here:
-snip-
We've got 4mask//UI filling 2 of the 5 slots remaining, and given that TolyK is mixed with Varee who is mixed with 4mask, it'd not be an ideal note if either TolyK or Varee is scum. Combine that with a power that explicably says you're town--well.
Someone's eyes glow, and they speak of five people hidden in the midst of the players who seek to take all the stones for themselves, and every pack in the pile.and I think he later clarified it. Therefore UI is one of the anti-town, while 4maskwolf says he doesn't think he's anti-town.
Varee:
NQTUI has claimed lyncher. Lyncher is an anti-town role, so UI being lynched or killed is required for us to win.
am just pointing out that I dont trust you as much as I dont trust him. For all I know you could be a lyncher trying to get UI lynch. Ig what wold saying is true I dont really want my borther lynch also but everythign seem to be policy lynch right now.
Also I got an interesting thing I want to test now
Vote NO LYNCH ;unvote
hope this rid of ghost vote maybe possibly?
UI target claim to be immortal So I rather have his lyncher try get rid of him than dealing with him after as already stated that lyncher target are usally town doesnt mean they have to be town.If you distrust TolyK more then UI, then why not vote TolyK? Why do you distrust TolyK? If you were the only player capable of voting, who would you vote?
But this all is mostly a theory as there no prove to be have as of now unless you count people that are backing each other and a provable info then by all mean.
1. scum is anti-town, lyncher is anti-town, lyncher is scumVareeI would say
If you call lynching scum a 'policy' lynch then that's the kind of policy I'd sign up to. Which part of this argument do you disagree with?
1. The town wincon is for all anti-town factions to die.
2. Urist Imiknorris has claimed an an anti-town faction (albeit one that allegedly turns into a pro-town if he fails)
3. If someone claims they're anti-town, then either they're that anti-town faction or something worse
C. The town wincon is for Urist Imiknorris to die.
1 lyncher is not exactly scum therefore I assume the term policy lynch apply.
2. even if UI claim that lynching tolyk is his wincon it might not be his only wincon. I wont cross out the potential ally/enermy off the list just yet.
3.Town wincon is for UI to die, well town wincon is not for wolf to die so see who cars about that. I dont believe that the game is only about wincon, atleast not in this power role game.
4. I dont want to vote people after the other all put their vote, there someting about my role that would be bad if am last in a lynch target line ..
2. fair point
3. People are voting 4maskwolf because they think he might be anti-town. Always play to your wincon.
4. ah.
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 07:42:55 am
Quickpost before classI'd rather stop the blind adherence to the wincon and lynch scum. I'm standing by my...stand on how I view UI.
UI, UI, Varee
TiruinMiddle is who I see in descending order of 'not to be bothered with' due to many attributes in detail. Foremost being the 'role which says I'm town out loud' and 4mask being a brother-ally which doesn't really equate to scum at all, along with the note of 4mask being honest to the 5-man non-town note in the first post of the gameTiruin, flabort's didn't mention that there were 5 non-town players, he mentioned there were 5 anti-town players, here:
-snip-
We've got 4mask//UI filling 2 of the 5 slots remaining, and given that TolyK is mixed with Varee who is mixed with 4mask, it'd not be an ideal note if either TolyK or Varee is scum. Combine that with a power that explicably says you're town--well.Someone's eyes glow, and they speak of five people hidden in the midst of the players who seek to take all the stones for themselves, and every pack in the pile.and I think he later clarified it. Therefore UI is one of the anti-town, while 4maskwolf says he doesn't think he's anti-town.
Varee:NQTUI has claimed lyncher. Lyncher is an anti-town role, so UI being lynched or killed is required for us to win.
am just pointing out that I dont trust you as much as I dont trust him. For all I know you could be a lyncher trying to get UI lynch. Ig what wold saying is true I dont really want my borther lynch also but everythign seem to be policy lynch right now.
Also I got an interesting thing I want to test now
Vote NO LYNCH ;unvote
hope this rid of ghost vote maybe possibly?
Why do you // NQT // anyone else seriously want UI out than anyone else? Does he precede your most scummy suspect in that order?
Post by: Varee on September 17, 2014, 07:57:19 am
Persus:
1. Chiwawa is a dog, Bulldog is a dog. is Chiwawa a bull dog?
3.Playing wincon doesnt need to be just lynching the anti town. If certain power are annoying and stop town from gaining info that justify a lynch too. that is what am getting from people lynching wolf.
I will reconsider my vote after there more real info out there also I am quite interested if my plan of ridding me of ghost vote is going to work.
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 08:11:37 am
I dont understand people logic in this one....Err, Varee?
Persus:
1. Chiwawa is a dog, Bulldog is a dog. is Chiwawa a bull dog?
3.Playing wincon doesnt need to be just lynching the anti town. If certain power are annoying and stop town from gaining info that justify a lynch too. that is what am getting from people lynching wolf.
I will reconsider my vote after there more real info out there also I am quite interested if my plan of ridding me of ghost vote is going to work.
His point was more on scum = Mafia.
Also Varee?
@#3: Annoying in what way? What if you know the alignment of the person having the annoying role, how would you treat him?
It is inferred that the situation is 'unknown alignment' in all your words there, yes?
A DASH IS A NEGATIVE SYMBOL.
Post by: Varee on September 17, 2014, 08:20:46 am
Also tirurin I believe i worked out one of your role, Is it a four letter abrreviation?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 17, 2014, 08:23:12 am
Post by: Toaster on September 17, 2014, 08:39:30 am
UI, UI, Toaster
Why did you instantly assume it was 4maskwolf?
He's behind all the other vote fuckery.
TolyK:
Cheese is confirmed for being more or less a good guy.
However. Did you action me a second time?
Back this up.
NQT:
ToasterWell of course it's not going to happen if you keep voting Wolf!I'd rather we were lynching the Lyncher, personally.Same here, but I don't think that's happening at this point.
This is a fair point.
Urist I.
Urist I:
I'm disturbed and slightly hurt by the people who think that lynching the lyncher is an acceptable substitute to finding mafia and are trying to spin it as something that has to be done immediately, as opposed to a problem that's damn likely to solve itself.
I assure you it's not personal. I would like to hear how it's likely to solve itself, though.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 17, 2014, 08:41:29 am
Post by: Toaster on September 17, 2014, 08:43:39 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 17, 2014, 08:47:06 am
Post by: Shakerag on September 17, 2014, 09:06:34 am
EBWOPI love whomever submitted the role that is causing this -so much-.
THIS POST HAS ADDED NEGATIVITY.
Post by: Shakerag on September 17, 2014, 09:08:58 am
Toaster
Post by: Persus13 on September 17, 2014, 09:46:45 am
Persus:1. Scum generally means anti-town, not mafia. Using your analogy, a canine also means dog, bulldog is a dog, thus bulldog is a canine.
1. Chiwawa is a dog, Bulldog is a dog. is Chiwawa a bull dog?
3.Playing wincon doesnt need to be just lynching the anti town. If certain power are annoying and stop town from gaining info that justify a lynch too. that is what am getting from people lynching wolf.
I will reconsider my vote after there more real info out there also I am quite interested if my plan of ridding me of ghost vote is going to work.
3. Then why aren't you voting 4maskwolf?
We will only get real information when lynches happen. That's is the earliest we can get real information.
And that anyone with a redirect has incentive to redirect their suspects to, although they could do that to me as well (I'd prefer TolyK though).Could you explain?
Persus13 Okay, it's near enough the end of the day. Justify why your three votes are for the three scummiest players.UI, UI, TDS Well it's for two players
UI claimed lyncher and is thus anti-town, while he isn't my top choice to lynch today (Which would be TDS in all likelihood), I'd rather see him lynched then 4maskwolf as 4maskwolf's anti-townieness is in doubt and I'm sure there's some way his annoying powers can be taken away. My second scumpick would have to be TDS for an attack on Varee that I thought odd, and not much of a contribution to the rest of the game.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 17, 2014, 09:47:18 am
NQT: Personally, I'm thankful that the day has been extended, so we can discuss the TOTAL BULLSHIT that is clearly going on.
TolyK: Worry about getting rid of your own auto, I can get rid of my copy easily.
YO EREBODY: Does it not bother anyone else that we've all drawn knives to point in people's throats when WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHO DID THE THING WE'RE ARGUING OVER?
Obviously, they aren't going to admit it bacause that would make them a target.
4Mask was well on his way to the chopping block, who stands to gain from him not dying? If the person who did it would benifit from his death, they wouldn't have done it, for rather obvious reasons.
So someone is aware that him dying would be a detriment to said person. So who would both (1) stand to gain from his survival (2) Know that they stand to gain from his survival, and (3) Stand to gain in such a way that admitting this reason would be a bad idea.
I mean, unless 4mask did it, but I kinda have a feeling he didn't.
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 10:07:44 am
Because he's anti town. ::)
SHORT TERM GOALS EQUAL VICTORY! EVERYONE CHARGE!
I mean, unless 4mask did it, but I kinda have a feeling he didn't.I'll say he didn't :v
Attitude and behavioral studies here.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 17, 2014, 10:10:37 am
Imagine you're a townie, and you can redirect. You suspect someone of being mafia. If you wanted to actually do something about that suspicion during the night, you could redirect the suspect to either myself or TolyK to limit the damage they'd do to the town by killing, as either option yields a net loss of 0 town players.And that anyone with a redirect has incentive to redirect their suspects to, although they could do that to me as well (I'd prefer TolyK though).Could you explain?
mastahcheese: As far as I can tell, the only people who would gain from 4mask's survival would be a small scumteam that has figured out that they're backed up by a brother to scum and a brother-ally, and as such want to keep him around. Or maybe that's just what they want us to think. Or maybe they want us to think that that's what they want us to think.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 17, 2014, 10:16:02 am
Whatever that action was probably required a day action.
Can we confirm anyone to have performed a day action already, and therefore is less likely to be capable of having done it? (Sans prolific, or free actions)
Also, could someone give me a recap of what 4mask claimed to be, and other people's claims?
(I'd do it myself, but I'm on my phone, and I most likely won't be able to be on for most of today, and I'll likely miss the day end.)
NQT: This stuff is your specialty, I expected you to start compiling this shit already. Stop focusing on lynchers, get some coffee, and help figure out the shitlord that's fucking with us.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 17, 2014, 10:17:50 am
mastahcheese: As far as I can tell, the only people who would gain from 4mask's survival would be a small scumteam that has figured out that they're backed up by a brother to scum and a brother-ally, and as such want to keep him around. Or maybe that's just what they want us to think. Or maybe they want us to think that that's what they want us to think.That's delving into WIFOM a tad earlier than I like, but yes, there is that possibility.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 17, 2014, 10:20:06 am
Maybe WIFOM is the explanation.
Post by: Persus13 on September 17, 2014, 10:25:50 am
YO EREBODY: Does it not bother anyone else that we've all drawn knives to point in people's throats when WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHO DID THE THING WE'RE ARGUING OVER?Maybe someone did it to try and frame 4maskwolf.
Obviously, they aren't going to admit it bacause that would make them a target.
4Mask was well on his way to the chopping block, who stands to gain from him not dying? If the person who did it would benifit from his death, they wouldn't have done it, for rather obvious reasons.
So someone is aware that him dying would be a detriment to said person. So who would both (1) stand to gain from his survival (2) Know that they stand to gain from his survival, and (3) Stand to gain in such a way that admitting this reason would be a bad idea.
I mean, unless 4mask did it, but I kinda have a feeling he didn't.
And to continue on 4mask's tangent, let's all jump and poke with pointy utensils primarily used in dining, the lyncher.Well, unless you want to lynch 4maskwolf, there's not much of an alternative. And what's wrong with short-term goals anyway?
Because he's anti town. ::)
SHORT TERM GOALS EQUAL VICTORY! EVERYONE CHARGE!
Or you could redirect them to themselves.Imagine you're a townie, and you can redirect. You suspect someone of being mafia. If you wanted to actually do something about that suspicion during the night, you could redirect the suspect to either myself or TolyK to limit the damage they'd do to the town by killing, as either option yields a net loss of 0 town players.And that anyone with a redirect has incentive to redirect their suspects to, although they could do that to me as well (I'd prefer TolyK though).Could you explain?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 17, 2014, 10:32:17 am
@Persus: Why frame him if he's going to die anyway? That makes no sense to me. That's a bad idea because then if he's still lynched by being framed, his flip should reveal that didn't have the capability. Afterall, he said he's the one that messes with flips (I think) so him dying would likely be a step to stopping that.
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 10:34:19 am
NQT: This stuff is your specialty, I expected you to start compiling this shit already. Stop focusing on lynchers, get some coffee, and help figure out the shitlord that's fucking with us.Yeah, you're right. Town lose a lot of games simply by not paying enough. There's 40 pages to go through, but I best start now. While I'm at it...
Everyone, if you submitted more than two roles can you please claim what they were. It'd be best to have at least a rough idea of what we're dealing with here.
Post by: TheWetSheep on September 17, 2014, 10:36:26 am
NQT:
Sheep, If you could vote who'd you be voting for right now?I'm on the fence between UI and TheDarkStar. UI because D1 is probably the best time to lynch a claimed anti-town(especially this D1 - ugh), and you bring up a good point here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5661370#msg5661370)
TDS's posts have been giving me a pretty strong gut feeling of scum, but I haven't been able to pin it down yet.
4mask:
The vote fuckery, the nightkill reduction, the inspection irritation, and the role flip silliness all end when I die.
TolyK: I'll ask Flabort about the ones that don't explicitly say they end on death, but since some of my autos say "while you are alive" I think that I'll still have my absurd number of votes while dead, since that doesn't specify.
I'll check with Flabort, and if that's the case, then I will willingly offer myself up for lynching, because it gets rid of all the negatives of having me around while maintaining most of the upsides.
Also, to everyone voting me or who has voted me for my role and abilities: I know that some of you must have shakeragian roles, some of which would probably get you lynched if they are revealed. So stop being goddamn hypocrits and lynching me because I'm honest, because, as I've said, I'll be back, and this time you'll have no way of stopping me. And I will get my revenge, because of something I have from a role I picked up. That, and killing me does nothing to me other than piss me off, so I'd rather you not.Why are you no longer complacent about being lynched? Killing you will do something, as in, getting rid of the annoying parts of your role, according to your earlier post. Why are you determined to get revenge instead of playing to your wincon? Will you get access to deadchat if you die?
Could someone extend so we can get to the bottom of this new fuckery that is happening?
PPE: I've tried about three times to post, and each time I've gotten a warning that another post has come in. I only sent in 2 roles, NQT.
Post by: Varee on September 17, 2014, 10:38:55 am
Spoiler: roles (click to show/hide)
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 17, 2014, 10:39:32 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 17, 2014, 10:41:40 am
Here they are.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I removed the two that I got, for reasons that should be obvious.
Post by: Toaster on September 17, 2014, 10:46:22 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 10:48:22 am
get some coffee
Spoiler: Black, two sugars (click to show/hide)
Thanks for info so far guys. For what it's worth, I can confirm that Cheese and Varee submitted at least one of the roles that they say they submitted.
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 10:58:12 am
I did two.get some coffeeSpoiler: Black, two sugars (click to show/hide)
Thanks for info so far guys. For what it's worth, I can confirm that Cheese and Varee submitted at least one of the roles that they say they submitted.
THAT COFFEE IS A BIG PICTURE AND I DO NOT LIKE BIG PICTURES. THEY LOAD LONG.
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 11:01:58 am
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 17, 2014, 11:07:23 am
NQT: Sent in 5 roles, the 3 I didn't get were
Tsundere
Kirby
Player (MINECRAFT)
Post by: Shakerag on September 17, 2014, 11:16:37 am
mastahcheese
Post by: Persus13 on September 17, 2014, 11:27:40 am
Also, I just realized that ToadyOne should also be on this list.Spoiler: Extra Roles (click to show/hide)
I probably should have mentioned one of these earlier.
Post by: webadict on September 17, 2014, 11:30:26 am
GayArchaea
Varee
NotQuiteThere
Varee
Toaster.
Superblackcat Superblackcat.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 17, 2014, 11:30:50 am
Professor James Moriarty
Thioacetone
Hitler's Mustache
Someone Else's Role
Tommy Vercetti
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 11:35:36 am
TheDarkStar,o-O
GayArchaea
Varee
NotQuiteThere
Varee
Toaster.
Superblackcat Superblackcat.
That's a lot of votes.
*reads OP*
...An infinite choice of votes? (see: SBC above)
Flabort: Clarify rule pink please.
THE PROCESS IS A LIE. DEMOCRAZY! DEMOCRAZY!
ALSO NEGATIVITY.
Post by: Persus13 on September 17, 2014, 11:52:51 am
THE PROCESS IS A LIE. DEMOCRAZY! DEMOCRAZY!You seem to be adamantly opposed to a UI lynch and you don't seem to want a 4maskwolf lynch either. Who do you want lynched then, NQT?
ALSO NEGATIVITY.
Yeah, all the explanations I could think of were WIFOM, so I just went with the one I already had.How would the scum team know they were allied with the brother and 4maskwolf?
Maybe WIFOM is the explanation.
Typing this out is a pain.Alternatively it could be an auto ability that the player doesn't want to claim.
@Persus: Why frame him if he's going to die anyway? That makes no sense to me. That's a bad idea because then if he's still lynched by being framed, his flip should reveal that didn't have the capability. Afterall, he said he's the one that messes with flips (I think) so him dying would likely be a step to stopping that.
Post by: TolyK on September 17, 2014, 12:07:04 pm
TolyK: Worry about getting rid of your own auto, I can get rid of my copy easily.You can try another auto of mine. :p
Quote
YO EREBODY: Does it not bother anyone else that we've all drawn knives to point in people's throats when WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHO DID THE THING WE'RE ARGUING OVER?Actually, I would. It doesn't even matter who I'm aligned to.
Obviously, they aren't going to admit it bacause that would make them a target.
4Mask was well on his way to the chopping block, who stands to gain from him not dying? If the person who did it would benifit from his death, they wouldn't have done it, for rather obvious reasons.
So someone is aware that him dying would be a detriment to said person. So who would both (1) stand to gain from his survival (2) Know that they stand to gain from his survival, and (3) Stand to gain in such a way that admitting this reason would be a bad idea.
I mean, unless 4mask did it, but I kinda have a feeling he didn't.
Also, did you action me once or twice today? I know you've done it at least once, as in confirm it.
Post by: webadict on September 17, 2014, 12:40:15 pm
TheDarkStar
Urist Imiknorris
Toaster
Tiriun
Urist Imiknorris
TolyK.
Superblackcat Superblackcat.
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 02:08:49 pm
Why has your attitude changed so much since here?:
Nqt: well i guess lynching non town is fine too, mask4wolf
At the beginning of the game you seemed happy to partake in a policy lynch, now you're ambivalent.
Post by: Shakerag on September 17, 2014, 02:53:19 pm
That's a lot of votes.*facepalm*
urIsT imiknorriS
uriSt imiknOrris
tOlyk Blitzdungeoneer Varee urist imIknOrris UriSt imitkorris
theWetsHeep jack A T
theWEtsheep superBlAckcat theDarkstar tIruin jaCk a T
urist imiknorrIS
TiRuin tolYk blItzduNGeoneer
TOlyk
blitzDungeOneer
Tiruin mastahcheese
Post by: TolyK on September 17, 2014, 03:37:27 pm
Join us.
Join us!
Joooooin uuuus...
Also, 3 hours until lynch. We're nowhere near scum.
I'm still against lynching UI due to humanitarian terms.
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 04:19:19 pm
Tiruin, you apparently don't think I'm the scummiest player so why are you still voting me at day's end? You asked for another 24 hours, and you've ended up voting me a bunch of times without presenting a case.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 17, 2014, 04:52:38 pm
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 05:26:57 pm
Though I had no idea there was someone akin to me in this game given my alignment and my abilities present.HOLD THE PHONE. How did I not spot Tiruin claiming she wasn't town? If you're town, then other people are akin to you in alignment. Tiruin said she had no idea anyone else was akin to her in alignment. Tiruin claimed third party here! We just didn't spot it because no one bothers trying to unpick all the riddles that Tiruin speaks in.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 17, 2014, 05:33:11 pm
UI and Mastahcheese: What bugs me is that, while you can see the obvious WIFOM in the actions of the (likely) scum team vote wiping, you're missing that I have no more knowledge on the subject than you do. It's entirely possible (though highly unlikely) that a townie did it because they did not want me lynched and then, upon seeing people's reactions to the vote fuckery, wisely decided to keep their mouth shut. I'm as perplexed as you are, but I think that currently we should get rid of the only known confirmed badguy.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 17, 2014, 05:47:53 pm
Everyone, if you submitted more than two roles can you please claim what they were. It'd be best to have at least a rough idea of what we're dealing with here.'
I can't remember all the specifics, but I submitted the first 20-30 elements on the periodic table. Also, a bunch of player roles and some other stuff that I forget. I'll PM flabort for a copy to see if I can see them again (Is there an option to save your PMs?).
Player (MINECRAFT)
Thanks for the wikipage (at least, it came as one); it came with no inherent powers, though, so I was annoyed with it for a while.
I wonder just how many people I'm making bulletproof.
See above.
Typing this out is a pain.
@Persus: Why frame him if he's going to die anyway? That makes no sense to me. That's a bad idea because then if he's still lynched by being framed, his flip should reveal that didn't have the capability. Afterall, he said he's the one that messes with flips (I think) so him dying would likely be a step to stopping that.
Who is the person who messes with flips again? That sounds like a really anti-town role, since it hides a lot of information.
TheDarkStar, why is Jack a good target?
IDK; I never voted for him. If you look at the vote history, you'll see that the vote popped into existence just after the vote clearing. However, he has been lurking iirc, so there is something against him.
PPE:
4maskwolf: Why would the scum clear the votes if the day is about to be over anyway? If they wanted you dead, they would obviously leave the votes as they were and let you die. Only someone who wanted you to stay alive would do it. If, as you think, scum cleared it, they must be on your side.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 17, 2014, 06:07:49 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 06:13:43 pm
Unvote all
...Are you being an idiot or what -_-Though I had no idea there was someone akin to me in this game given my alignment and my abilities present.HOLD THE PHONE. How did I not spot Tiruin claiming she wasn't town? If you're town, then other people are akin to you in alignment. Tiruin said she had no idea anyone else was akin to her in alignment. Tiruin claimed third party here! We just didn't spot it because no one bothers trying to unpick all the riddles that Tiruin speaks in.
Does town know other town's alignment and who they are?
Dear gods I was about to unvote you and place my votes for whoever is voting 4mask, as they've voting him without substantial reason.
YOU ARE BLIND.
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 06:15:21 pm
Anyone among the fellowship that is the scummiest.THE PROCESS IS A LIE. DEMOCRAZY! DEMOCRAZY!You seem to be adamantly opposed to a UI lynch and you don't seem to want a 4maskwolf lynch either. Who do you want lynched then, NQT?
ALSO NEGATIVITY.
NQT, for one, has a knack of tripping that line in this game by his antics.
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 06:22:21 pm
No, I don't buy it. Why would you say there wasn't anyone else akin to you if you were town. A town Tiruin would know who her town-mates were but she'd at least know there were other players out there that were akin to her. Face it T, as Shakespeare says, you're hoisted by your own petard. And how in blue blazes does me questioning you make a case against me? The OMGUS is strong in this one!Unvote all..
Unvote all...Are you being an idiot or what -_-Though I had no idea there was someone akin to me in this game given my alignment and my abilities present.HOLD THE PHONE. How did I not spot Tiruin claiming she wasn't town? If you're town, then other people are akin to you in alignment. Tiruin said she had no idea anyone else was akin to her in alignment. Tiruin claimed third party here! We just didn't spot it because no one bothers trying to unpick all the riddles that Tiruin speaks in.
Does town know other town's alignment and who they are?
Dear gods I was about to unvote you and place my votes for whoever is voting 4mask, as they've voting him without substantial reason.
YOU ARE BLIND.
(Disclaimer: I'm not being mean, I think you're amazing etc., I just also think you might have revealed yourself to be 3rd party)
4mask, if you didn't save yourself it was probably TolyK or Varee as they have the most incentive to keep you alive given your claimed wincon.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 17, 2014, 06:44:31 pm
I read what she wrote as "It's crazy someone is so similar to me without being a brother or something similar that links us together."
Have you considered that viewpoint?
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 06:45:38 pm
Tiruin...I'm focusing my attention fully on the orange part.No, I don't buy it. Why would you say there wasn't anyone else akin to you if you were town. A town Tiruin would know who her town-mates were but she'd at least know there were other players out there that were akin to her. Face it T, as Shakespeare says, you're hoisted by your own petard. And how in blue blazes does me questioning you make a case against me? The OMGUS is strong in this one!Unvote all..
Unvote all...Are you being an idiot or what -_-Though I had no idea there was someone akin to me in this game given my alignment and my abilities present.HOLD THE PHONE. How did I not spot Tiruin claiming she wasn't town? If you're town, then other people are akin to you in alignment. Tiruin said she had no idea anyone else was akin to her in alignment. Tiruin claimed third party here! We just didn't spot it because no one bothers trying to unpick all the riddles that Tiruin speaks in.
Does town know other town's alignment and who they are?
Dear gods I was about to unvote you and place my votes for whoever is voting 4mask, as they've voting him without substantial reason.
YOU ARE BLIND.
(Disclaimer: I'm not being mean, I think you're amazing etc., I just also think you might have revealed yourself to be 3rd party)
...Tell me HOW I'd know who else was town? You do know that this isn't what 'town' means, and more akin to 'mafia' right?
I didn't claim non-town. Your interpretation leads you to that instance. :v
THIS IS NEGATIVITY WAIVED IN THE FACE OF OTHER WORDS.
Note in question--the tinytext. It's an interpretation of semantics. Let me reword it.
(Also that isn't an OMGUS :v Just me tripping over your logic system to somewhat in a way see you scummy, due to the 'realization' near day, and the lack of people extending//adding time, influencing in a way, a snap-judgement to those who react to such and lacking time to discuss it)
This is in the context of speaking to MC
Though I had no idea there was someone akin to me in this game, given my alignment and my abilities present.
Context lies that it may be interpreted as third-party, or town, in the same measure, attaching all words post-comma to the orange portion.
PPE: Yes. Exactly. Yeeeeeessssssss.
Post by: flabort on September 17, 2014, 06:49:07 pm
Flabort: Clarify rule pink please.Pink votes are non-players.
Non-players have no powers that give them multiple votes, so only have 1 each.
Players with 1 vote simply change votes if they vote twice in the same post.
Therefore two or more pink votes in a post is a vote and a ghost vote, plus extraneous votes that don't matter.
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 06:50:32 pm
...MC, just curious for the longest time. On the non-voting, its a thing with 'empowerment'? Just openly wondering here on hints and notes I doubt anyone else would configure other than the presence of a massclaim.
OH NOW I'VE TO ADD THE NEGATIVITY.
Man, you must be swamped with all those votes moving a-Flabort: Clarify rule pink please.Pink votes are non-players.
Non-players have no powers that give them multiple votes, so only have 1 each.
Players with 1 vote simply change votes if they vote twice in the same post.
Therefore two or more pink votes in a post is a vote and a ghost vote, plus extraneous votes that don't matter.
Oh.
...So the last one in pink is their actual vote -_-
*begins taking down notes because it seems the NON PLAYERS like to be hilarious :I*
I'm turning grumpy. Hmph.
Post by: zombie urist on September 17, 2014, 06:51:40 pm
Toaster
Post by: Superblackcat on September 17, 2014, 06:53:52 pm
Post by: zombie urist on September 17, 2014, 06:57:09 pm
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 06:58:39 pm
Sorry, typo, I meant "wouldn't know who her town mates were". I'm town, I know there are other town players that are akin to me even though I don't know who they are. If I was working alone I would be very surprised to find someone akin to me in alignment. Do you see where my suspicions come in now? Also, you still don't have a case against me.
Hey guys, I just went to Sir Flabort and asked if I will know if I'm targeted. (Since I have an auto that non of my things work until I'm targeted.) He said yes, so I suggest you guys vote mastahcheese I think it is, because I've not received anything from flabort that says I'm targeted and can use my actions.OOH excellent shout.
CHEESE, you're a liar. First you claim an inspect on me. Then you claim it's a RANDOM inspect. And then you claim it's an INFALLIBLE inspect. And you don't want to say who you inspected for ages. And now it turns out you lied about the target! If I had a vote I'd be voting you!
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 07:02:39 pm
TiruinErr, that's still the same thingy :\
Sorry, typo, I meant "wouldn't know who her town mates were". I'm town, I know there are other town players that are akin to me even though I don't know who they are. If I was working alone I would be very surprised to find someone akin to me in alignment. Do you see where my suspicions come in now? Also, you still don't have a case against me.
A town Tiruin wouldn't know who her town-mates were.
...And this can be wholly placed in the statement of:
Though I had no idea there was someone akin to me in this game, given my alignment and my abilities present.
"Akin", pertaining to the abilities and such--with the many instances I've been acting under assumption of, mirror MC.
Better?
SEMANTICS IS A CRUEL MISTRESS. AND I'M LOVING HER EVERY DAY PLATONICALLY. YAY.
Hey guys, I just went to Sir Flabort and asked if I will know if I'm targeted. (Since I have an auto that non of my things work until I'm targeted.) He said yes, so I suggest you guys vote mastahcheese I think it is, because I've not received anything from flabort that says I'm targeted and can use my actions.Strange. In what explicit way will you know if you're targeted?
Ask again under grounds that he action is random and not directly done by the person (ie Redirects, too).
Because if you're taking down MC in that method, y'all should as well take me down first.
CHEESE, you're a liar. First you claim an inspect on me. Then you claim it's a RANDOM inspect. And then you claim it's an INFALLIBLE inspect. And you don't want to say who you inspected for ages. And now it turns out you lied about the target! If I had a vote I'd be voting you!Que? You?
Where was that mentioned?
Post by: flabort on September 17, 2014, 07:03:10 pm
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Day ends Tuesday, Sept 17, approximately 7:00 PM MST (roughly 1 hour from this post). No extensions remains in the day.
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Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 07:04:21 pm
THIS IS INTRIGUING. PIE IS INTRIGUING. I HATE PIE.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 17, 2014, 07:05:46 pm
Huh, my votes are in yellow yet I've technically not moved them.You unvoted, which counts as moving them.
THIS IS INTRIGUING. PIE IS INTRIGUING. I HATE PIE.
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 07:09:16 pm
SEMANTICS IS A CRUEL MISTRESS. AND I'M LOVING HER EVERY DAY PLATONICALLY. YAY.This made me laugh.
Also, yeah, okay I get that the way you use language you probably didn't intend the meaning I saw in your words. I withdraw that accusation.
Que? You?Where was what mentioned? Cheese said he'd inspected me ages back but then apparently was redirected.
Where was that mentioned?
Post by: flabort on September 17, 2014, 07:23:11 pm
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Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 07:26:53 pm
Ok...it seems that vote shifter can be...can act quite much?
THE SYSTEM IS CORRUPT. FLABORT IS A VENGEFUL GHOST!
Err, I had the intent of unvoting, then I read up, then I crossed it out but with detail to show that I had the... intent of unvoting.Huh, my votes are in yellow yet I've technically not moved them.You unvoted, which counts as moving them.
THIS IS INTRIGUING. PIE IS INTRIGUING. I HATE PIE.
Given this state of votes, I'll just think its all a darn illusion and remember that I've my votes on NQT :I
Liiiiiink please I:Que? You?Where was what mentioned? Cheese said he'd inspected me ages back but then apparently was redirected.
Where was that mentioned?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 17, 2014, 07:31:03 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 07:33:35 pm
Where the fuck did my votes go. 4mask 4mask unvote all 4mask 4maskCould I ask why explicitly are you voting 4mask over anyone else?
Same to those who are voting 4mask?
MY FISHERY WORKSHOP IS FULL OF FISH AND I CAN'T CUT FISH QUITE WELL NOW FOR SOME REASON. HAULERS!?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 17, 2014, 07:37:48 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 07:39:45 pm
Also he pretty much was honest about what he's doing, while alive.
Now to specifics: Why are you voting 4mask?
ALSO NEGATIVITY. WITH A MUSTACHE.
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 07:43:06 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 17, 2014, 07:48:47 pm
Where the fuck did my votes go. 4mask 4mask unvote all 4mask 4mask*pokes Urist Imiknorris*
I think your votes were stolen/blocked
Which means that you and I just have to sit here and watch others decide our fates.
*lifts a glass*
Cheers. And see you soon.
Post by: Toaster on September 17, 2014, 07:52:24 pm
Urist I
Unvote
Urist I
Want to make sure that sticks; nothing I've seen has changed my mind.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 17, 2014, 07:57:11 pm
Post by: flabort on September 17, 2014, 07:59:59 pm
Post by: flabort on September 17, 2014, 08:22:11 pm
Spoiler: Darkling (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Non-Darkling (click to show/hide)
DAY 1 IS OVER.
The player identifying himself with the masks he wears created in the form of the faces of four wolves throws together a simple deck from the cards in his pack, mostly ignoring his stones though he tests and feels their powers as he plays the cards. He manages to lose every match of cards he plays, being blocked and countered at every turn. It looks like he's going to be expelled from the tournament when a buzzing is felt in the stones held by each player. A cloud of confusion washes over the crowd, and a light show of colors results as players release the energies in their rocks and gain their bearings.
As the lights dim back to a visible level, it is realized that Urist Imiknorris has been struck down, several javelins of solid light sticking out of his back. These javelins are present in the chests and arms of several others attending the release, but the javelins disappear, leaving no wounds, and Urist is definitely bleeding profusely.
Nervous chuckles are had when he is turned over to reveal that his face is missing and his clothes have been transformed into a straight jacket. With dynamite strapped to the jacket...
The dynamite explodes violently. Toaster and someone else are caught in the blast. However, one person walks out of the explosion, still on fire; when he passes by a wide eyed cat that makes cheese, the fire leaps from him to the cat, only to go out immediately.
Urist Imiknorris has been lynched, Toaster has been killed.
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Urist Imiknorris
Alignment: Shakerag Did It Again
(Auto) Of course he did: He did.
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Toaster
Alignment: Shakerag Did It Again
(Auto) Of course he did: He did.
NIGHT 1 BEGINS, and will end approximately September 19, 7 PM Alberta Time, approximately 48 hours from this post.
Remember, do not post at night unless your power lets you.
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 08:27:05 pm
Somehow, someone is dead set in implicating 4mask. For some reason.
PS: I can post at night.
Next, nobody yet has claimed the Shakeragian varieties (you troll :I), and staring right at D1, it seems that UI is a supersaint-ish type?
*reads*
Oh, lynched. Killed.
...
Y'know, the vote was damned tied and yet UI's votes were either stolen (just like how 4mask's were "stolen", probably), signifying a devious power regarding the roles.
Conclusion: Hey y'all, we must all be lump-voting in the future to at least NOT get into this scenario.
ALSO IT IS DARK. I CAN'T APPRECIATE MY SURROUNDINGS. I HATE THIS.
*Tiruin gets some tea.
Hey Flabort: Query. If the role granting that shakeragdidit fun also dies, will those who was cover-flipped earlier...err, now full flip?
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 08:29:13 pm
I've got some info that I can now share:
1. Someone has a power that will screw with the truth value of info you get from powers, so my advice is that if you're using Inspects etc, only bother if they're definitely infallible.
2. There's a role called Mute (I believe Varee submitted it). Whoever has it can prevent players from voting. The same person was most likely responsible for killing some peoples powers today.
I'm expecting a message from Flabort any moment now which might shed some light on the obfuscated roleflips.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 17, 2014, 08:29:48 pm
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 08:33:19 pm
I'm expecting a message from Flabort any moment now which might shed some light on the obfuscated roleflips.Message was received. I learned... nothing. Well that was disappointing.
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 08:34:44 pm
We all have cool powers, one of mine is that I can post during the night.FINALLY. I CAN PUNCH YOU.
I've got some info that I can now share:
1. Someone has a power that will screw with the truth value of info you get from powers, so my advice is that if you're using Inspects etc, only bother if they're definitely infallible.
2. There's a role called Mute (I believe Varee submitted it). Whoever has it can prevent players from voting. The same person was most likely responsible for killing some peoples powers today.
I'm expecting a message from Flabort any moment now which might shed some light on the obfuscated roleflips.
So. Now that Mr ClaimedLyncher is out, buddy, how do you feel about the proceedings of today?
On those hypotheses(?), #2 seems to be able to move through the day. Meaning Varee saved 4mask by lieu of muting UI.
@#1: That reminds me!
Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5649994#msg5649994), Tiruin.You do know he realized it was random after right? Because, as I repeat, I'm confirming it for him :^
By which I mean, Teehee~ I know why he can't vote! xD Silly silly MC.
Thanks to that link, it further confirmed something I've missed. Thanks :P
Now, back to matters. Why are you being so hyped up about semantics? How goes the tracking of claims in reference to the person, and their scumminess?
Congratulations. This is my snarky voice in telling you 'oh hey there are other factors in the game than what's being claimed!'I'm expecting a message from Flabort any moment now which might shed some light on the obfuscated roleflips.Message was received. I learned... nothing. Well that was disappointing.
That's like, WHY I DIDN'T WANT UI BEING LYNCHED BECAUSE OF MY REASONS STATED BEFORE >:I
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 08:55:22 pm
FINALLY. I CAN PUNCH YOU.Are you Tsundere, or was that Urist Imiknorris? There was evidence suggesting either.
So. Now that Mr ClaimedLyncher is out, buddy, how do you feel about the proceedings of today?Pretty sweet really. One anti-town player out the way, possible two... looking back on the record showed a rather complacent Toaster. His first half dozen posts are mostly just casual one line responses, not much in the way of scum hunting. So, fingers crossed, he was scum as well.
@#1: That reminds me!Oh yes! Of course you claim to share the same ability as him and got a copy of the role pm. If he wasn't lying, then how do you explain SBC's remark? It seemed like pretty genuine confusion there.Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5649994#msg5649994), Tiruin.You do know he realized it was random after right? Because, as I repeat, I'm confirming it for him :^
By which I mean, Teehee~ I know why he can't vote! xD Silly silly MC.Please explain further.
Thanks to that link, it further confirmed something I've missed. Thanks :P
Now, back to matters. Why are you being so hyped up about semantics? How goes the tracking of claims in reference to the person, and their scumminess?After all the tea and coffee I've drank today/tonight, I'm hyped up about everything. From how I read what you were saying, it genuinely looked like you were revealing yourself to be 3rd party. I'm not splitting hairs here, I'm just reading things closely.
Congratulations. This is my snarky voice in telling you 'oh hey there are other factors in the game than what's being claimed!'Ok, there are obviously other factors involved that we don't all know about yet, but why did you specifically not want a lyncher dead? What made me the better target?
That's like, WHY I DIDN'T WANT UI BEING LYNCHED BECAUSE OF MY REASONS STATED BEFORE >:I
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 09:05:31 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 09:09:20 pm
Hence why I asked SBC to reclarify the questions, and why I'm also putting myself up at the stake because I assuredly know it isn't a lie--the target, explicitly, is SBC.@#1: That reminds me!Oh yes! Of course you claim to share the same ability as him and got a copy of the role pm. If he wasn't lying, then how do you explain SBC's remark? It seemed like pretty genuine confusion there.Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5649994#msg5649994), Tiruin.You do know he realized it was random after right? Because, as I repeat, I'm confirming it for him :^
UI is Tsundere?FINALLY. I CAN PUNCH YOU.Are you Tsundere, or was that Urist Imiknorris? There was evidence suggesting either.
...I should've hugged him earlier :<
But really, no. This is me with the note of having negativity in all my posts :^
-_-So. Now that Mr ClaimedLyncher is out, buddy, how do you feel about the proceedings of today?Pretty sweet really. One anti-town player out the way, possible two... looking back on the record showed a rather complacent Toaster. His first half dozen posts are mostly just casual one line responses, not much in the way of scum hunting. So, fingers crossed, he was scum as well.
...Mm. But now we may probably have a vengeful ghost (DFTM) because if we perceive all he's said to be honest, now he's pissed. And I use that term rarely...
(I mean Varee; TOlyK; 4mask in a chain. Eliminate TolyK who...err, is an outlier? and we've a town-ally. Who technically is town in all ways.)
So it's like a tradeoff.
I have one...heehee...ability, that is probably...how shall we say it.By which I mean, Teehee~ I know why he can't vote! xD Silly silly MC.Please explain further.
Thanks to that link, it further confirmed something I've missed. Thanks :P
Y'all will see it as imbalanced if you got it :P
But its benign. Nothing to stroke your curious chords on. MC can't vote because he has an auto that doesn't let him vote as long as he holds it. You can't change him not voting unless you remove it.
That auto is in no way, a thief/steal/link between him and me. It's...ah, how shall we say, player-tailored.
It's more a deal of wanting probable scum dead. If you believe me to be town--check it this way.Congratulations. This is my snarky voice in telling you 'oh hey there are other factors in the game than what's being claimed!'Ok, there are obviously other factors involved that we don't all know about yet, but why did you specifically not want a lyncher dead? What made me the better target?
That's like, WHY I DIDN'T WANT UI BEING LYNCHED BECAUSE OF MY REASONS STATED BEFORE >:I
I've said my stance on the Lyncher, in which I'll just drop the searchword: "Lyncher" as it leads to more reading of pertinent posts on the matter (and Toaster's vote in brevity ._.)
Now, adding to that, a Lyncher is a hindrance to both town and scum, as per wincon arrangements in the OP, the town wincon just specifies it in direct detail. This, by which I infer, may be the cause of the rallied mob against UI.
Now you, you're a different sort. I have no idea who you are, and leave the discernment to your alignment to good ol' scumhunting. You seem to be jumpy at bits...at times, and the times wherein you were doing such do not help if I take the timeframe of their occurrence. Like, say, how you said Tiruin = third party with such impact near the day end...Though its obviously understandable that its more a matter of debate and speculation, something going along with who I know of you instead of any alignment-based leaning.
...But back to matters (as I won't be available in the next ~3//8 hours due to exams and I've spent more time doing Mafia ._.), do note that somehow, my votes on you are taken out. Then, UI's votes ae taken out, by reference of 4mask's reminder (leading me to think it was mentioned before).
However, I have no idea why my votes are gone, too. If there's any other missing players from the spectrum, please check.
Also, the flavour suggests that SBC would have been killed in that explosion, but wasn't for some reason (possibly personal immunity). Hopefully at some point someone will shine a light onto why Toaster was killed as well there.Flavor matters? I thought Flabort (I believe my memory may be a bit skewed) said it doesn't.
I WANT MORE CHOCOLATE FLAVOR. MY SWEET TOOTH THIRSTS FOR CRAVINGS! IT IS A MOST CONFECTIONERY EVIL.
Post by: flabort on September 17, 2014, 09:10:47 pm
No.
Hey Flabort: Query. If the role granting that shakeragdidit fun also dies, will those who was cover-flipped earlier...err, now full flip?
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 09:11:18 pm
That was a quick reply!
NOW WITH ADDED NEGATIVITY.
Bloody hell. :INo.
Hey Flabort: Query. If the role granting that shakeragdidit fun also dies, will those who was cover-flipped earlier...err, now full flip?
Post by: TheWetSheep on September 17, 2014, 09:12:33 pm
I thought 4mask had a way around the role-flip obfuscation.
Tiruin: Why not kill the lyncher D1, where we have the least information and the least chance of hitting actual malevolent scum?
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 09:21:36 pm
Tiruin: Why not kill the lyncher D1, where we have the least information and the least chance of hitting actual malevolent scum?Lyncher has one goal--it is not static unless target is alive by later days: Kill target or...target should be dead(by other hands?) I guess
In that scenario, we don't know who the target is pertaining to alignment, so I'm pretty happy to just let them duke it out while I search for other non-static targets :v
BROTHERS OF THE NIGHT, ASSEMBLE! ...YOU'RE ALL WEARING SUNGLASSES FOR SOME REASON! THAT IS OUT OF FASHION!
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2014, 09:24:03 pm
Hence why I asked SBC to reclarify the questions, and why I'm also putting myself up at the stake because I assuredly know it isn't a lie--the target, explicitly, is SBC.It just doesn't all add up. Maybe someone has just misunderstood something somewhere along the line. (Or, you know, you and Cheese are in cahoots with one another).
...Mm. But now we may probably have a vengeful ghost (DFTM) because if we perceive all he's said to be honest, now he's pissed. And I use that term rarely...So long as people keep dying, the town wincon is more likely to be fulfilled. If that means venegeful ghosts then so be it.
(I mean Varee; TOlyK; 4mask in a chain. Eliminate TolyK who...err, is an outlier? and we've a town-ally. Who technically is town in all ways.)
So it's like a tradeoff.
I have one...heehee...ability, that is probably...how shall we say it.Curious. And how do you know this? By 'player tailored' do you mean someone (you?) gave him that auto?
Y'all will see it as imbalanced if you got it :P
But its benign. Nothing to stroke your curious chords on. MC can't vote because he has an auto that doesn't let him vote as long as he holds it. You can't change him not voting unless you remove it.
That auto is in no way, a thief/steal/link between him and me. It's...ah, how shall we say, player-tailored.
Now you, you're a different sort. I have no idea who you are, and leave the discernment to your alignment to good ol' scumhunting. You seem to be jumpy at bits...at times, and the times wherein you were doing such do not help if I take the timeframe of their occurrence. Like, say, how you said Tiruin = third party with such impact near the day end...Though its obviously understandable that its more a matter of debate and speculation, something going along with who I know of you instead of any alignment-based leaning.Well I only said it near the day's end because that's when I saw what you'd written as I was re-reading. I also made other questions and comments while I was re-reading.
...But back to matters (as I won't be available in the next ~3//8 hours due to exams and I've spent more time doing Mafia ._.), do note that somehow, my votes on you are taken out. Then, UI's votes ae taken out, by reference of 4mask's reminder (leading me to think it was mentioned before).Good luck with your exams stuff! It's gone 3AM here and I've got work in 6 hours so I should probably go to bed. I guess you should check first thing Day 2 whether your votes have come back.
Flavor matters? I thought Flabort (I believe my memory may be a bit skewed) said it doesn't.Well it probably doesn't, but that seems like the best explanation for the otherwise nonsensical imagery.
Sheep
I thought 4mask had a way around the role-flip obfuscation.No, it's Wolf that's causing the roleflip obfuscation. He has the Shakerag Did It power. We won't know what's going on until the alleged brother is dead, or someone kills his ability.
This 48 hour day is going to be pretty long, especially as I've already submitted my action. Everyone watching at home will have to get used to the Tiruin & NQT & Sheep Show!
Post by: Persus13 on September 17, 2014, 09:26:54 pm
Nqt, did you get trolled too? Also it's possible that maybe SBC has to be specifically targeted with an action in order for his powers to work, not be hit randomly.
Anyway, Tiruin, can you explain further the random inspect and it's targeting of NQT?
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 09:30:20 pm
This 48 hour day is going to be pretty long, especially as I've already submitted my action. Everyone watching at home will have to get used to the Tiruin & NQT & Sheep Show!But we don't know who else can nightspeak :C
TiruinMuh, reasonable. However I'm pretty curious for SBC's condition though.Hence why I asked SBC to reclarify the questions, and why I'm also putting myself up at the stake because I assuredly know it isn't a lie--the target, explicitly, is SBC.It just doesn't all add up. Maybe someone has just misunderstood something somewhere along the line. (Or, you know, you and Cheese are in cahoots with one another).
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So long as people keep dying, the town wincon is more likely to be fulfilled. If that means venegeful ghosts then so be it.He can be a vengeful ghost later :I
But the problem is he's a vengeful ghost now. [unsure if he can act while dead though]
IT'S A CONSPIRACY I TELL YOU. UI ALSO HAS HIS SHIRT ON BACKWARDS.
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Curious. And how do you know this? By 'player tailored' do you mean someone (you?) gave him that auto?...It's gender restricted.
Yeah. I know. ._.
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Well I only said it near the day's end because that's when I saw what you'd written as I was re-reading. I also made other questions and comments while I was re-reading.Hence why I took it as understandable :I
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Good luck with your exams stuff! It's gone 3AM here and I've got work in 6 hours so I should probably go to bed. I guess you should check first thing Day 2 whether your votes have come back.I'm doomed :'(
And I'll be back for more night talk. Planning to use it as compilation of everything said D1 so people won't be stressy come the morning.
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Well it probably doesn't, but that seems like the best explanation for the otherwise nonsensical imagery.The GM won't put WIFOM :P That's as far as I know.
SheepWait WHAT!? He does? Was this stated before?I thought 4mask had a way around the role-flip obfuscation.No, it's Wolf that's causing the roleflip obfuscation. He has the Shakerag Did It power. We won't know what's going on until the alleged brother is dead, or someone kills his ability.
I thought I was alone in being able to talk at night.The inspect can't be directly targeted.
Nqt, did you get trolled too? Also it's possible that maybe SBC has to be specifically targeted with an action in order for his powers to work, not be hit randomly.
Anyway, Tiruin, can you explain further the random inspect and it's targeting of NQT?
Ohai Persus!
Post by: Persus13 on September 17, 2014, 09:33:31 pm
Yeah, he claimed that, the ghost vote power, and some other power at the same time.SheepWait WHAT!? He does? Was this stated before?I thought 4mask had a way around the role-flip obfuscation.No, it's Wolf that's causing the roleflip obfuscation. He has the Shakerag Did It power. We won't know what's going on until the alleged brother is dead, or someone kills his ability.
Post by: TheWetSheep on September 17, 2014, 09:38:22 pm
(4 night-posters? I think this game might break the record for longest game in terms of number of pages.)
Post by: Tiruin on September 17, 2014, 11:04:01 pm
...Well. That really skews the game information scum-sided.
The heck would anyone submit roles that make the game, in all ways, lean one way or another!?
Well...at least scum won't be able to scavenge from the dead if possible...as a probable counter balance -_-
WE ARE ALL TOWNS AND MINOR CITIES WITHIN EACH OTHER. THOUGHTS ARE OUR DOMAIN, AND OH LOOK A DIRTY PENNY. INFECTIONS FOR ALL!
Post by: notquitethere on September 18, 2014, 05:13:23 am
Nqt, did you get trolled too? Also it's possible that maybe SBC has to be specifically targeted with an action in order for his powers to work, not be hit randomly.I sure did! Troll city. Someone's going to die for this, and I suspect his name begins with 4 and ends in maskwolf.
Tiruin
...It's gender restricted.Yes, Cheese said he could vote due to 'sexist witchcraft'. Was that one of yours? Could you list the powers he copied from you? Cheese has claimed a lot (11 different powers by my count) and it'd be good to work out how much he's telling the truth.
I'm doomed :'(You can do it! I believe in you!
I wish Varee kept track of what he roles he had submitted, there are still 9 roles left unaccounted for. Flabort, could you please message Varee the roles that he submitted.
Post by: notquitethere on September 18, 2014, 05:15:47 am
I got them confused because they both allegedly submitted the role 'Helium', which seems an odd coincidence.
Post by: notquitethere on September 19, 2014, 04:07:13 am
Persus, now your favoured target is dead (though I wouldn't rule out resurrects just yet), who's your main suspect going into Day 2?
Tiruin, are you confident we'll lynch scum on Day 2? Why?
Post by: notquitethere on September 19, 2014, 10:18:33 am
Post by: TheWetSheep on September 19, 2014, 10:38:49 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 19, 2014, 11:40:17 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 19, 2014, 07:55:48 pm
Post by: flabort on September 19, 2014, 08:06:12 pm
Tabulating results.
Post by: flabort on September 19, 2014, 09:07:07 pm
It is decided that a break in the action is necessary. Several players speak up and demand bathroom breaks, and some hit the drinks cooler under the counter looking for soda. However, the bathroom is located in the labyrinthine back-of-shop... some players who have been to Flabort's store before whisper that if you go back there, you might never return again. Using the cardboard cards as makeshift torches, most of the gathered players venture into the back to find the toilet.
While they are away, the mystery player who had caught fire was jumped by a shadow, only to teleport away and be replaced with another cheese loving cat, which dodges the literal bullet by virtue of being way too short because it's a cat.
Nobody died in the night.
Post by: flabort on September 19, 2014, 09:15:31 pm
Spoiler: Darkling (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Non-Darkling (click to show/hide)
When everyone returns from the Back-Of-Shop, there is no-one missing. But a small surge of energy flows through the room, and some people find that the gems they hold have extra power in this time.
((Some of you have gained extra votes today. Please check the Not-Voting section and look for your name to find out how many you have.))
Day 2 Begins, and ends Wednesday, September 24th, 7:00 PM Alberta Time.
Post by: Varee on September 19, 2014, 09:25:40 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 19, 2014, 09:27:04 pm
Also, the role list (minus my two main roles; also, who got me as a role?):
1. Zero
2. Cat
3. Automobile
4. Civilian
5. One-armed man
6. Robot
7. Virus (biologicial)
8. Virus (computer)
9. Food
10. Grass
11. Tree
12. Airplane
13. Spy
14. Soldier
15. flabort
16. webadict
17. TheDarkStar
18. 4maskwolf
19. Jack A T
20. mastahcheese
21. Shakerag
22. Nerjin
23. Bay 12 Forums
24. Dwarf Fortress
25. Hydrogen
26. Helium
27. Lithium
28. Beryllium
29. Boron
30. Carbon
31. Nitrogen
32. Oxygen
33. Fluorine
34. Neon
35. Sodium
36. Magnesium
37. Aluminum
38. Silicon
39. Phosphorus
40. Sulfer
PPE: Right, four votes because of the vote stuff.
Also, I might as well claim now that my role that lets me invite a spectator also is the one that lets them vote.
Post by: flabort on September 19, 2014, 09:27:54 pm
Well, it's gonna be a fun day!
Post by: Varee on September 19, 2014, 09:32:45 pm
Post by: flabort on September 19, 2014, 09:42:20 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 19, 2014, 10:16:24 pm
Oh, yeah. And 4maskwolf asked me to tell you all he'd be away for the weekend, and won't be back until Monday, so any inactivity from him is excused.
WEEKEND ANGST
Anyway, are there any roles/powers/other stuff that people got overnight?
Post by: Cheeetar on September 19, 2014, 10:53:12 pm
Post by: TolyK on September 19, 2014, 11:13:13 pm
Dear Flabort, have you been withholding communication?
Or is TolyK holding back something?
Whhh.
(lack of better target)
So... I know nothing. And I have only one vote. As far as I know.
What's up with the asterisks next to people's names?
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 19, 2014, 11:25:33 pm
Urist:
Stonehenge (Ace Combat 4):
-unblockable, unprotectable kill, 1-night cooldown. -night
-each night, I get copied in on all information learned by roles. (What I would give for this to work after death) - auto
Megalith (Ace Combat 4):
-doublekill, 1-night cooldown. - night
-bomb (kills killer or last two voters) - auto
Jack's Simple BYOR:
-Roles from wikipedia are killproof - auto
Veterans Affairs Canada (Canuckistan):
-double vote - auto
The Mr. Big Technique:
-create a quicktopic between me and target - night
-show target1 to have been targeting target2 - need to share QT with target1 - night
-gain access to any QT target has access to - need to have used both other abilities on target - night
Computer Virus:
-randomize target and make random night action unusable - night
Sodium (elemental):
-remove a random ability from target. If ability is from an elemental role that's not a noble gas, target dies. - night
wiki link:Tsundere:
-Prepare target. If prepared, target dies. Only usable if more than half of initial players live. - night
-Prepare target. If prepared, target is protected. Unusable if more than half of initial players live. - night
Sloth:
-if !none, +1 lazy points - auto
-spend all lazy points, gain equal number of votes - day
Persus13 (Bay12er):
-10% kill-magnet - auto
-75% of kills targeting me are redirected to their owners - auto
Toaster's claim:
SCP-426
-Actions targeted to me had a 50% chance to be redirected to the sender
-Actions targeted to me had a (separate) 50% chance to be replaced with a useless Toast ability
-I could kill people with that Toast ability
The Role that is More Hilarious, Awesome, And Obnoxious than Every Shakeragian Role that Shakerag Has Submitted Combined
-Every time a player with a Shakeragian role died, I had a small chance to get a Liquid Shakerag (better chance if it was a lynch I was in on, hence my insurance vote at the end)
-I could spend a Liquid Shakerag to give everyone with a Shakeragian role another power
-If I had three Liquid Shakerags in the tank, I could revive
-I could spend two Liquid Shakerags to doublekill someone
The FHPBYOR Role That Detects Shakeragian Roles
-Could target someone to see their Shakeragian roles
-Immune to Shakeragian roles
Every Single Canadian Senator
-Twice per game I could act twice at night
Lithium
-Identical to UI's Sodium power
Florine
-Give target an auto for two cycles that makes them fail any action that targets someone with a Shakeragian role (conspiracies, it's in the water!)
Phosphorus
-Track
Webadict
-My actions are immune to Shakeragian, Canadian, and Elemental roles.
Captain Jack Aubrey
-An oddball action that makes my target unredirectable, nor can anyone be redirected to the target.
STFU
-Day voteblock. No, I didn't use it (though I considered voteblocking you 4mask)
Urist was, fairly obviously, the lyncher, directed at TolyK. He also wants to say a couple of things: one, he thinks Superblackcat is lying, and two, this:
Quote from: Urist Imiknorris
Time is but a window, death is but a doorway, I'll be back.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 19, 2014, 11:29:54 pm
Persus13: Why didn't you die from the Urist bomb?
TolyK: Unless my target was randomized, you targeted an ungodly number of people last night. Why and with what?
Everyone: Alright, which one of you schmucks hit me with carbon copy and what did you get?
Post by: zombie urist on September 19, 2014, 11:34:39 pm
Post by: Persus13 on September 19, 2014, 11:36:46 pm
Persus13: Why didn't you die from the Urist bomb?I have no idea. I'll need to check my roles list tomorrow morning.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 19, 2014, 11:45:30 pm
Which leads me to another couple questions to ask him.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 19, 2014, 11:47:49 pm
unvote all
Varee Varee Varee TheDarkStar TheDarkStar TheDarkStar, I'd like an explanation of what you targeted me with and why, pronto. And don't lie, I know exactly what I was targeted with.
Post by: TolyK on September 19, 2014, 11:52:28 pm
To be honest, I'm glad Toaster is dead. :p
Was he town/scum, or some outrageous alignment?
And yup, 4mask, you now know that, and U thinks you might not want to say everything.
I think so as well.
It could be used to check claims.
And 6 is ungodly? XD Wait till you see...
Oh, and everyone, don't bother protecting me, as
a) I can perfect myself very well enough
b) protects on me do very little in helping anybody live.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 19, 2014, 11:55:45 pm
Post by: Varee on September 20, 2014, 02:21:16 am
Post by: Varee on September 20, 2014, 02:24:03 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 20, 2014, 06:31:17 am
Questions for Everyone
Who submitted the STFU role Toaster says he had? That one hasn't been claimed by anyone.
Oh! Everyone should probably know that Wolf has a 50/50 chance of learning any power you use on him, so uh, bear that in mind. That's how he knows he was targeted by Carbon Copy:
Everyone: Alright, which one of you schmucks hit me with carbon copy and what did you get?
Wolf, is it a power that you own that gives you access to the dead (or the dead access to you)? What role name would that be? (Should be safe to claim that, right?) Also, you're responsible for everyone getting troll results when inspecting, right?
Tiruin, Persus, don't forget my questions from the night.
Cheese, Jack, did one of you lose something squeaky?
TolyK, you like advertising how OP you are. Why?
Persus, where did your votes go?
Post by: notquitethere on September 20, 2014, 07:10:39 am
All Claimed Excess Roles
Spoiler: Blitz 3 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Cheese 8 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Jack 42 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Persus13 13 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: TDS 40 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: UI 5 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Varee 10 (click to show/hide)
Blitz, Cheese, Jack, Persus, TDS, Varee At least one of you (or UI, but that's unlikely now) has falsely claimed an excess role as we know that there are 150 roles in total and the claimed excess roles add up to 121 (and there were 30 unclaimed roles, two for each player). Can you check that I've got the above correct? Coupled with the unclaimed STFU role, I'd say one of you is telling porkies.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 20, 2014, 07:15:13 am
Okay, so.
unvote all
Varee Varee Varee TheDarkStar TheDarkStar TheDarkStar, I'd like an explanation of what you targeted me with and why, pronto. And don't lie, I know exactly what I was targeted with.
I targeted you with a similar power to what you got, since you have a far greater portion of simply annoying roles than anyone else. Yes, it picks something at random, but there was a fairly good chance that it would pick one of your more annoying roles.
What is it that lets you talk to dead people? Isn't that a mafia power?
PPE: My list is correct.
Post by: TolyK on September 20, 2014, 07:33:54 am
TolyK, you like advertising how OP you are. Why?I can't marvel in how OP TolyK is?
U can't, but I can. How strange.
I've already stated that I'm playing for the funsies, to the first part. Obviously, playing to win is also among that, but my evaluation heuristic is not soley "win/lose".
Having 4mask dependent on my winning, however, complicates that a bit. :P
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 20, 2014, 07:36:20 am
NQT: Those are the roles I submitted, yes. At least, the ones I didn't get from the 5 I submitted, but I assume you knew that already.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 20, 2014, 08:44:57 am
My voice...
THE POST RESTRICTION IS GONE!
NQT: If you're the one who did that, thank you so much.
EVERYBODY: Random infallable inspect says that VAREE IS TOWN
My other inspect, which detects wincons, says that 4MASK IS OF THE "TROLL" ALIGNMENT. (The power says wincons, but the result I got gave an alignment, I don't know.)
Also, SOMEONE OF THE "TROLL" ALIGNMENT TARGETED SBC LAST NIGHT.
That's all the info I got through the night, except one thing.
My first layer of defence, and three charges of my second layer have been breached. That's a lot of things hitting me in one night.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 20, 2014, 09:10:36 am
Post by: Varee on September 20, 2014, 09:52:07 am
Also look like am to late to catch wolf before he go away.
Post by: notquitethere on September 20, 2014, 10:41:12 am
Cheese
First, you obviously didn't read the conversations that happened in the night. Otherwise you'd have known two things: everyone is getting 'troll' results from normal inspects. Also, all information gained from roles only has a 50% of being true. So your night time inspections were pretty useless (unless the inspect was completely infallible instead of just unstoppable). Next:
My...Not intentionally. Did you gain a similar role then? Also please answer:
My voice...
THE POST RESTRICTION IS GONE!
NQT: If you're the one who did that, thank you so much.
Blitz, Cheese, Jack, Persus, TDS, Varee At least one of you (or UI, but that's unlikely now) has falsely claimed an excess role as we know that there are 150 roles in total and the claimed excess roles add up to 121 (and there were 30 unclaimed roles, two for each player). Can you check that I've got the above correct? Coupled with the unclaimed STFU role, I'd say one of you is telling porkies.
TDS, no the 'troll' response happens for all role inspections. I got a pm with the role info for Urist Imiknorris and Toaster and it was all troll, troll, troll for their alignments and role names. The reason is Wolf's The Flabort's BYOR role that causes annoyance and aggravation to everyone else role.
Varee
Nqt: it is highly possible that some people have more than 10 role due to unlikeliness of us summiting perfectly divisible amount of role so i dont think you should worry about it too much.Nope. Look here:
Close the signups. I'll send in 5 more roles so everyone can have an even ten.Alrighty.
So I'll ask you again, are those the exact roles you submitted?
TolyK
I've already stated that I'm playing for the funsies, to the first part. Obviously, playing to win is also among that, but my evaluation heuristic is not soley "win/lose".Hmm. How many lynchings can you survive?
Having 4mask dependent on my winning, however, complicates that a bit. :P
Post by: Varee on September 20, 2014, 11:25:08 am
Post by: TolyK on September 20, 2014, 11:57:10 am
I must say that that is rather useful.
But given that U can't win...
Post by: Jack A T on September 20, 2014, 12:06:58 pm
I'm quite busy this weekend, unfortunately.
Blitz, Cheese, Jack, Persus, TDS, Varee At least one of you (or UI, but that's unlikely now) has falsely claimed an excess role as we know that there are 150 roles in total and the claimed excess roles add up to 121 (and there were 30 unclaimed roles, two for each player). Can you check that I've got the above correct? Coupled with the unclaimed STFU role, I'd say one of you is telling porkies.NQT: Mine's not a list of excess roles. It is a list of roles I sent in, and is obviously the full list (42 entries when the maximum number of roles submitted is 42). What we appear to have is not an excess of roles, but a missing list. Someone hasn't stated what they submitted.
TolyK: Why did you act on me Day 1 and what did you do to me? (I only just got the notification, because Flabort.)
4maskwolf: With your role's negative effects on the game, what makes you worth keeping around?
Varee: How often must you speak French?
Tiruin (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5668796#msg5668796): Isn't a lyncher, being an alignment that can win with the mafia and can normally break LYLO with the mafia, a pro-mafia thing to keep around? How does it hinder mafia victory?
Post by: Jack A T on September 20, 2014, 12:23:59 pm
EBWOP
NQT: Well, not a list, but one role. Someone submitted an extra role that they haven't claimed.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 20, 2014, 12:26:38 pm
But that random one is infallable.
The list I submitted were excess; I did not list the two I got.
Co-Inspector Tiru-chan: Shall I commence with a random day inspect though you, like yesterday?
Post by: TolyK on September 20, 2014, 12:37:52 pm
TolyK: Why did you act on me Day 1 and what did you do to me? (I only just got the notification, because Flabort.)O.O
I didn't action you D1, as far as I know.
Did U know about it?
No.
Neither did I.
Post by: Tiruin on September 20, 2014, 05:27:22 pm
**Watches dust ball roll by**You know the fun thing about exams, sickness and THEN a typhoon rolling through your country?
THERE IS NONE.
Yeah. Power outage during the weekends. Woohoo, no time to push :X
MC: What...are you.
EVERYBODY: Random infallable inspect says that VAREE IS TOWNYeah...I got mail from Flabort of a quite weird kind (his wording was significantly different from before) that you are the Troll.
My other inspect, which detects wincons, says that 4MASK IS OF THE "TROLL" ALIGNMENT. (The power says wincons, but the result I got gave an alignment, I don't know.)
Also, SOMEONE OF THE "TROLL" ALIGNMENT TARGETED SBC LAST NIGHT.
...
Someone's trolling us and I hate it.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 20, 2014, 05:37:14 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on September 20, 2014, 05:39:25 pm
Someone's trolling us and I hate it.Oh, hate doesn't hold a candle to the level of trolling present in this game.
Not one damn bit.
Not one bit, indeed.
I. Hate. Posting restrictions.
But what's even worse, are recurring ones.
I'll explain later. Too mad to think.
Post by: Tiruin on September 20, 2014, 05:44:50 pm
WHY AM I USING THESE SENTENCES TO DESCRIBE MY FEELINGS. IT IS CRUDE.
I even got that note that you're a Troll...when I can't even action at all in that context of finding. :^
Post by: flabort on September 20, 2014, 06:07:55 pm
His skin starts to bubble as muscles tear apart and expand, and in a fit of rapid growth and decomposition, 4maskwolf turns and spears GayArchaea with his own arm bones. The two of them both die.
4maskwolf has been killed. GayArchaea dies.
Spoiler: Roleflips (click to show/hide)
There will be no Day 3, as it is skipped.
4mask keeps being able to post and vote. As does GayArchaea
Post by: Tiruin on September 20, 2014, 06:13:35 pm
WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN
...Wat.
*reads*
Quote
Shakerag did it [Shakeragian]Grr.
Quote
This particular power, though, allows you to continue posting and voting after you're dead.Yay!
dead4maskwolf: Now that you're dead and possibly(?) without obligations to your wincon: What's your plan of action--any thoughts on the game and players thus far?
PFP
Post by: Tiruin on September 20, 2014, 06:19:56 pm
But in the manners of the day/night game, they just lost their roles/autos but still can vote and post in the day game.
Quote
(Auto) Fancy Clothes: Instead of "Town, Scum, or Third Party", you are investigated as "Tuxedo, Hawaian Shirt, or Hillbilly Overalls" respectively.This is the weirdest game I've ever played. Ever.
EVERYONE GETS FANCY SHIRTS. WHY IS HAWAIIAN SHIRTS SCUM? THOSE ARE FANCY GARMENTS!
Quote
Toaster [Bay12er]Err.
(Auto) Lord Toaster: When you die, the next day phase is skipped.
Flabort: Could you clarify what stuffs happen when 'next x phase is skipped'?
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 20, 2014, 06:24:01 pm
Both can still vote and post (Flabort: How many votes do they get? Can they also spectator-vote?)
Day 3 will be skipped (since today has not ended, I assume it applies to Day 3).
Other annoying roles are no longer in effect, so (hopefully) we can inspect, kill normally, and see roleflips now.
We don't get double votes anymore
Archaea: Which kill power did you use?
Post by: flabort on September 20, 2014, 06:24:14 pm
Votecount
Spoiler: Darkling (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Non-Darkling (click to show/hide)
Day ends Wednesday, September 24th, 7:00 PM Alberta Time. (Approximately 102? hours from this post)
Don't forget to check the NotVoting section to find out how many votes you have left.
Post by: Varee on September 20, 2014, 06:31:20 pm
Also it is almost perfect the both role flip obfusbucate just died....
And alot of people seem to have an auto which is if someone kill me they also die..... Which seem like flabby way to prevent mass murder... Or create even more death.....
Post by: GayArchaea on September 20, 2014, 06:34:35 pm
Post by: Jack A T on September 20, 2014, 06:35:10 pm
Unvote. Reaction test (remember, truthfulness of powers is imperfect) worked. Not targeted by TolyK.
4maskwolf: What was your Grey Goo before it was gooed?
GayArchaea: So, you prevented a death recently (you're dead, and Tree didn't save you). Can you tell us anything about that?
Post by: GayArchaea on September 20, 2014, 06:56:27 pm
Post by: Varee on September 20, 2014, 07:01:56 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 20, 2014, 07:02:18 pm
Jack A T: I honestly don't know, It is perhaps just a matter of priorities.Flabort: Is there any action-order that takes place? Does this only take place when the contending actions are against each other or does it also take place when any intervening actions occur?
May we know of that action-order?
Post by: flabort on September 20, 2014, 07:21:36 pm
Allow me to explain what happened, though, since claims and roleflips are up.
4mask was killed twice, because Chemical Concoction does that. So Threat Response fired twice. And this was during the day, so 2-shot immunity to kills at night did not apply.
So GA prevents one with Sentinel and has no way to prevent second.
While normally I wouldn't reveal something like this, all the pieces were already shown, so all I did was ship them pre-assembled.
Post by: GayArchaea on September 20, 2014, 07:36:16 pm
So, notquitethere, was it not you who had said "so long as people keep dying, the town wincon is more likely to be fulfilled."
Do Explain what you mean?
Post by: notquitethere on September 20, 2014, 08:08:30 pm
There's a lot I want to respond to but I'm not currently in a state to do so.
GayArchaea, the town wincon requires five people to die. If folk aren't dying then the wincon isn't being progressed. The town wincon is built on an altar of blood. Scum blood. Do you disagree?
Post by: zombie urist on September 20, 2014, 08:46:00 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 20, 2014, 08:50:06 pm
PPE: Any idea why ZU is voting for Jack A T? Also, should I invite him?
Post by: GayArchaea on September 20, 2014, 08:54:29 pm
Message for notquitethere: "Of course town needs to kill to win. But killing scum is different from just killing. A bodycount of all townies fulfills the 'keep killing' part of your message but not the 'town win becomes more likely' bit. You're advocating bloodshed for its own sake, scum."
Post by: GayArchaea on September 20, 2014, 09:13:21 pm
I should note that my vote represents Toaster at the moment, so I quote him here from the dead chat exactly.I lied a little, I actually quoted Urist Imiknorris. He's also been saying that he lied a little about his role claim. He is also saying disturbing things in the dead chat.
Message for notquitethere: "Of course town needs to kill to win. But killing scum is different from just killing. A bodycount of all townies fulfills the 'keep killing' part of your message but not the 'town win becomes more likely' bit. You're advocating bloodshed for its own sake, scum."
Post by: Cheeetar on September 21, 2014, 12:03:21 am
Post by: TolyK on September 21, 2014, 01:36:32 am
As far as I know, I've been telling the truth everywhere.
Also, 4mask knows a lot of what happened this night.
What I'm interested in its why nobody targeted me third night.
At least that's what U think.
Also, NQT, that's obvious bloodthirst. :p
Post by: mastahcheese on September 21, 2014, 08:10:09 am
Secondary defense mechanism lost another charge, who hit me?
Explaination of return of post restriction
I have an ability that copies autos (pretty sure I mentioned this earlier) that I can use both day and night.
Day 1: Target TolyK, get his auto that makes winning impossibru.
Night 1: Attept to target NQT in the hopes of getting the speak at night power. After some sort of major fuckery, the power rebounded 12 times through various people that I don't even know (so I know quite a few of the autos out there now) and finally ended up with the speak and vote after death power.
Day 2: Deciding that's a lame power, I target Jack AT, thinking he was unlikely to be dangerous to target, since some people are rather volatile.
Wind up getting the damn post restriction again.
Fuck you, Jack.
Post by: notquitethere on September 21, 2014, 09:07:32 am
Jack
NQT: Mine's not a list of excess roles. It is a list of roles I sent in, and is obviously the full list (42 entries when the maximum number of roles submitted is 42). What we appear to have is not an excess of roles, but a missing list. Someone hasn't stated what they submitted.Ah, good point. You're quite right. Someone has been less than forthcoming.
NQT: Well, not a list, but one role. Someone submitted an extra role that they haven't claimed.Yes, if Toaster wasn't lying (and why would he?), it's the STFU role.
Did you attempt to do any investigations last night?
Tiruin
Yeah. Power outage during the weekends. Woohoo, no time to push :XOK, when you're next empowered and able, please respond to my questions.
I even got that note that you're a Troll...when I can't even action at all in that context of finding. :^I already explained, it was Wolf's role that's causing inspect results to turn up as 'troll'.
GayArchaea
TheDarkStar: I used the chemical concoction one. also I tried to kill perseus13 during the night.Ah, unlucky for your wincon, but it did help the town out immeasurably so thanks for that noble sacrifice.
Message for notquitethere: "Of course town needs to kill to win. But killing scum is different from just killing. A bodycount of all townies fulfills the 'keep killing' part of your message but not the 'town win becomes more likely' bit. You're advocating bloodshed for its own sake, scum."I categorically don't advocate bloodshed for its own sake. If you read what I said I clearly clarify that the town wincon is built on killing scum:
The town wincon is built on an altar of blood. Scum blood.
Persus
Were you aware that you'd been targeted by a kill?
TDS
NotQuiteThere: I disagree. While it is true that it is required to kill scum, killing random people is more likely to hit town (and will always be until there are more scum than town, at which point the game ends). Scum most likely have a nightkill, too, so dead people are either coming from town who don't know alignments for sure or from scum who will always hit town/third parties. This means that if people simply keep dying quickly, it's actually beneficial for scum. Why did you say that it's better for town?I never said we should kill people randomly or rapidly, I just said that to win the game requires kills to happen which is something you yourself admit. I think you're trying to wedge in a disagreement between us where none actually exists.
Cheese
Explaination of return of post restrictionThat's hilarious but I have no idea why that would have happened on Day 1. Can you claim the exact sequence?
I have an ability that copies autos (pretty sure I mentioned this earlier) that I can use both day and night.
Day 1: Target TolyK, get his auto that makes winning impossibru.
Night 1: Attept to target NQT in the hopes of getting the speak at night power. After some sort of major fuckery, the power rebounded 12 times through various people that I don't even know (so I know quite a few of the autos out there now) and finally ended up with the speak and vote after death power.
Day 2: Deciding that's a lame power, I target Jack AT, thinking he was unlikely to be dangerous to target, since some people are rather volatile.
Wind up getting the damn post restriction again.
Fuck you, Jack.
Blitz, you've been quite quiet. Do you have any scum picks?
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 21, 2014, 09:42:43 am
NQT: Not really no. I can't seem to get a read of any sort on anybody really. As for my silence, not sure if I mentioned this already but most of the time when I think of something it's already been posted by somebody. I don't really see the point of asking the same question of the same person twice, so...yeah.
Post by: notquitethere on September 21, 2014, 09:45:56 am
Blitz, okay so if you're not doing anything during the day, did you try any investigations in the night?
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 21, 2014, 09:58:36 am
NQT: I observed Varee with one of my powers. It came back as Troll. 'S all I really did.
Post by: Persus13 on September 21, 2014, 10:19:59 am
Flabort: So does this mean well have two back-to-back nights after today?
NQT:
Persus, now your favoured target is dead (though I wouldn't rule out resurrects just yet), who's your main suspect going into Day 2?TheDarkStar is probably my main scum suspect. I need to read back through the thread and look back through and see who else seems scummy, but right now I want to look at TolyK and Blitz for keeping a low profile. I have a gut feeling that you or mastacheese might be scum, but otherwise no. I also wouldn't exactly call UI my favorite target, if I had my way I would have lynched TDS, although that would have been useless.
Blitz, Cheese, Jack, Persus, TDS, Varee At least one of you (or UI, but that's unlikely now) has falsely claimed an excess role as we know that there are 150 roles in total and the claimed excess roles add up to 121 (and there were 30 unclaimed roles, two for each player). Can you check that I've got the above correct? Coupled with the unclaimed STFU role, I'd say one of you is telling porkies.I did not submit the STFU role.
PersusNo, but if you look back at the day start flavor it shows that there was a kill on me but it looks like it got redirected to cheese.
Were you aware that you'd been targeted by a kill?
4maskwolf:
Persus13: Why didn't you die from the Urist bomb?Because someone seems to be redirecting kills off of me. Look at flabort's flavor.
Mastahcheese:
That's all the info I got through the night, except one thing.By the looks of the flavor a couple of kills headed towards me got redirected to you. Sorry about that.
My first layer of defence, and three charges of my second layer have been breached. That's a lot of things hitting me in one night.
Blitz, Blitz:
PFPWhat do you mean by observed?
NQT: I observed Varee with one of my powers. It came back as Troll. 'S all I really did.
Post by: Varee on September 21, 2014, 10:29:45 am
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 21, 2014, 10:35:39 am
TO THE PEOPLE ASKING ABOUT WHAT I MEAN BY OBSERVED: It's one of my powers and, at least to my knowledge, it doesn't so much inspect as it, well, shows me who that person targets during the night. I use it on Varee for no real reason, I literally just used a random generator for it. So yeah.
Post by: TolyK on September 21, 2014, 11:08:19 am
U aren't either. Who was it?
It was Blitz who didn't really care who he targeted!
Ah, there's also this point.
Your "inspect" is actually a "track", right? Who did Varee visit?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 21, 2014, 11:29:20 am
Hopefully tomorrow.
Restriction
Post by: flabort on September 21, 2014, 11:51:55 am
Votecount
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Blitz, NQT, TDS, Tiruin, TolyK, Varee this means you.
Post by: TolyK on September 21, 2014, 11:59:16 am
U have thee votes?
TolyK has three votes?
Ahahaha.
What do you suggest we three do with them?
Hmm. Why don't I think of something?
Let's try Unvote Unvote Blitz Unvote Blitz Blitz Blitz. Anyone care to play 5-minute chess?
How about one-minute? :P
Oh you. Much puns.
Also. Everyone has 3 votes? I'm not sure how much I trust that.
Everyone but Archaea and 4mask and SBC.
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 21, 2014, 12:11:25 pm
TolyK: Like I said, the result came back as 'Troll'. So yeah.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 21, 2014, 12:12:01 pm
Also. Everyone has 3 votes? I'm not sure how much I trust that.
Everyone but Archaea and 4mask and SBC.
I only have two.
Persus: You have a vote on me with no reasoning. Why are you voting me/why do you find me scummy?
PPE: Blitz, when was the inspect?
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 21, 2014, 12:19:55 pm
Post by: TolyK on September 21, 2014, 12:30:04 pm
U sees that you must've slipped.
"Troll" was instead of the alignment. Your track should've been fine, but if you got "Troll" then you obviously mixed something up.
Post by: Persus13 on September 21, 2014, 12:48:48 pm
Yeah, I don't think you quite understand.It doesn't just work on alignment checks. It works on track type powers too so that you would get the result Troll targeted Troll.
U sees that you must've slipped.
"Troll" was instead of the alignment. Your track should've been fine, but if you got "Troll" then you obviously mixed something up.
Because the only attack I remember you doing was on Varee for "using his town auto as a shield" when he didn't bring it up except in response to a question I asked.
Persus: You have a vote on me with no reasoning. Why are you voting me/why do you find me scummy?
PFPWhy did you randomly pick someone, instead of picking someone who you weren't sure about. Who are your top scum suspects right now?
TO THE PEOPLE ASKING ABOUT WHAT I MEAN BY OBSERVED: It's one of my powers and, at least to my knowledge, it doesn't so much inspect as it, well, shows me who that person targets during the night. I use it on Varee for no real reason, I literally just used a random generator for it. So yeah.
TWS: Have you posted yet today? How did bringing another set of eyes go.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 21, 2014, 03:05:25 pm
A whole bunch of fuckery happened to me while I was gone, gimme a sec to figure it out.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 21, 2014, 03:20:16 pm
Cheese: Why didn't you die when I killed you because of chemical concoction? The reason I have your role is that I fired off my swallow ability before star spit. Also, why didn't I get doublekilled by you like you have claimed.
Someone has contracted Ebola and will die tonight. Sorry, not my fault, blame Archea.
Post by: GayArchaea on September 21, 2014, 03:29:32 pm
Since I'm dead; this would mean that there would about three kills a night. (although one of the kills could've been a 2 death NK).
I Killed 4maskwolf just because he might've been a target for a lynch and wasted a day.
I decided use Chemical Concoction because it would fire all of 4maskwolf's night actions and to cancel out any potential revives he may have. I do believe he said he had an unstoppable NK.
After I submitted the action, I wondered if that NK would randomly hit me and I'd be dead. Rather fitting that it turned out this way.
I also decided to kill Perseus13 for submitting the Toaster role. A very stupid reason.
Also please revive me, I can obscure the roleflips of those killed during the night.
And I can make sure that not only one day, but TWO days can be skipped in total when I die again due to killing another player.
Also I need half the Town and all of the Scum dead, that's got to help my case.
Post by: flabort on September 21, 2014, 03:35:32 pm
So many powers to keep track of...
During the night, BlitzDungeoneer targeted Varee
I was doing fine up until I forgot one during the middle of day 1, now it seems every 24 hours I'm apologizing for missing something. :P
Post by: mastahcheese on September 21, 2014, 03:41:34 pm
Why do you wait until you're dead to ask, as opposed to before?
As for why I'm alive, it's because I have quite a number of defensive powers before I have to resort to ressurection.
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 21, 2014, 03:47:58 pm
4Mask: I didn't shoot you because I didn't feel the need to, and figured inspects were more productive.That's not what I'm talking about, Cheese. I'm talking about that claimed doublekill that happens whenever you are targeted, which technically "kills" you as well.
Why do you wait until you're dead to ask, as opposed to before?
As for why I'm alive, it's because I have quite a number of defensive powers before I have to resort to ressurection.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 21, 2014, 03:53:22 pm
Blorble.4Mask: I didn't shoot you because I didn't feel the need to, and figured inspects were more productive.That's not what I'm talking about, Cheese. I'm talking about that claimed doublekill that happens whenever you are targeted, which technically "kills" you as well.
Why do you wait until you're dead to ask, as opposed to before?
As for why I'm alive, it's because I have quite a number of defensive powers before I have to resort to ressurection.
That didn't go off because I didn't die.
Although targeting me kills me, I have other powers preventing my death.
You have to break through those first, before I actually die/revenge-kill/resurrect.
In short, I didn't get hit enough yet. Nice try, though.
Post by: notquitethere on September 22, 2014, 05:09:24 am
Blitz
PFPThis seems to have been confirmed by the mod, well, to some degree. OK. Do you think you'd randomly choose a target again tonight? And why have you never voted?! If you don't care about lynching scum then why should we keep you around?
NQT: I observed Varee with one of my powers. It came back as Troll. 'S all I really did.
Sheep, Sheep
Those must be some good things if they're better than lynching scum.Well? I'm prepared to be impressed.
TheDarkStar
Tiruin can't daykillHow did you know this?!
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 22, 2014, 06:12:35 am
NQT: The reason I have yet to vote is I didn't really have any reads on anybody, and I'd really rather not vote on someone who could be town when there isn't a possibility of them being scum as well, at least to me, otherwise I might as well just vote on any old person. I'm hoping to have some reads by the end of the day so I both vote, and have a suitable target for tracking.
Post by: Varee on September 22, 2014, 07:16:02 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 22, 2014, 09:07:21 am
Co-Inspector Tiru-chan: Shall I commence with a random day inspect though you, like yesterday?Do it.
Tiruin, are you confident we'll lynch scum on Day 2? Why?This is...unsure. Given a glimpse of the [hilarity] that some players possess, its pretty much a game of actions rather than a lynch-fest.
But sure, confidence is placed upon the consensus--however on a specific date? Not really.
Why pertains to the...err, how. How its done, pretty much. Though confident? Yes. Absolutely certain? No.
I AM TOO SAD TO BE NEGATIVE SO...SO MY SAD IS NEGATIVE.
TheDarkStar:OTiruin can't daykillHow did you know this?!
O____O
Err, MC: Tiny recap please? You said you are able to mimic-ish my...auto? Or my role?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 22, 2014, 11:29:40 am
Yes, ma'am!Co-Inspector Tiru-chan: Shall I commence with a random day inspect though you, like yesterday?Do it.
Err, MC: Tiny recap please? You said you are able to mimic-ish my...auto? Or my role?I'm not mimicking, I have a copy. It's of the role, which includes the night action and the two autos.
NQT: That list you requested.
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Post by: Persus13 on September 22, 2014, 11:41:09 am
PostWhat is that list of?Yes, ma'am!Co-Inspector Tiru-chan: Shall I commence with a random day inspect though you, like yesterday?Do it.Err, MC: Tiny recap please? You said you are able to mimic-ish my...auto? Or my role?I'm not mimicking, I have a copy. It's of the role, which includes the night action and the two autos.
NQT: That list you requested.Spoiler: The ability names themselves have been redacted (click to show/hide)
Post by: mastahcheese on September 22, 2014, 11:48:51 am
What is that list of?Last night, I hit NQT with my ability to copy autos.
Those are all the autos I would up getting, in order, because something caused it to rebound a ton.
They each replaced the one before it, until you get to the last one.
Post by: Persus13 on September 22, 2014, 11:52:18 am
PostNot to be rolefishing, but are any of the ones on the list yours? Because it looks like you got one from each player other than you, Toaster or UI.What is that list of?Last night, I hit NQT with my ability to copy autos.
Those are all the autos I would up getting, in order, because something caused it to rebound a ton.
They each replaced the one before it, until you get to the last one.
Post by: TolyK on September 22, 2014, 11:53:24 am
I must say, that's similar to what U and I have, isn't it?
It sure is!
Hmm. Is it possible to copy a copied ability?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 22, 2014, 12:03:52 pm
Not to be rolefishing, but are any of the ones on the list yours? Because it looks like you got one from each player other than you, Toaster or UI.I didn't trim the list any, so maybe?
It could have hit me, I don't know if people have the same stuff I might have.
Hmm. Is it possible to copy a copied ability?...I'm not sure on that one, actually.
I would think so, I don't see why not.
Post by: Persus13 on September 22, 2014, 12:25:30 pm
PostSo you have an auto that someone else might have on the list? Okay. Because I definitely have one of the autos on that list.Not to be rolefishing, but are any of the ones on the list yours? Because it looks like you got one from each player other than you, Toaster or UI.I didn't trim the list any, so maybe?
It could have hit me, I don't know if people have the same stuff I might have.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 22, 2014, 12:28:28 pm
Well, I mean, the one at the bottom was the one I ended up with, but it's already been replaced with the one that brought back the post restriction.
I'm sorry if I'm not getting what you're meaning, I'm confused.
Post by: notquitethere on September 22, 2014, 01:14:09 pm
Blitz
NQT: The reason I have yet to vote is I didn't really have any reads on anybody, and I'd really rather not vote on someone who could be town when there isn't a possibility of them being scum as well, at least to me, otherwise I might as well just vote on any old person. I'm hoping to have some reads by the end of the day so I both vote, and have a suitable target for tracking.Do you realise what you literally just said? You'd rather not vote town when there isn't a possibility of them being scum. Do you see what's wrong with that statement?
So, Tiruin, you care more about using powers than lynching scum. Precisely how many scum have been killed by powers so far?
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 22, 2014, 01:16:58 pm
NQT: Yhm, I do indeed. Only realised that after posting, and, well, isn't there a no-edit rule? Allow me to rephrase:
I would rather not vote on someone when I am uncertain of just how scummy they are, since then it's also entirely possible they're either town or allied to town.
Post by: Shakerag on September 22, 2014, 01:44:17 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 22, 2014, 05:32:41 pm
TheDarkStarTiruin can't daykillHow did you know this?!
I meant that Tiruin had not claimed a daykill. It was in regard to why I found 4mask scummy iirc - he targeted a random person at the beginning of day 1 rather than trying to find an actual target.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 22, 2014, 05:35:04 pm
Because the only attack I remember you doing was on Varee for "using his town auto as a shield" when he didn't bring it up except in response to a question I asked.
Persus: You have a vote on me with no reasoning. Why are you voting me/why do you find me scummy?
So yes, you agree that Varee brought it up. Also, did you miss how I found 4mask scummy (obviously I don't now, though)?
Post by: Persus13 on September 22, 2014, 06:14:37 pm
Yes, how dare Varee bring up the power he had after I SPECIFICALLY ASKED HIM ABOUT IT:Because the only attack I remember you doing was on Varee for "using his town auto as a shield" when he didn't bring it up except in response to a question I asked.
Persus: You have a vote on me with no reasoning. Why are you voting me/why do you find me scummy?
So yes, you agree that Varee brought it up. Also, did you miss how I found 4mask scummy (obviously I don't now, though)?
Varee:
Can you describe your power that reveals your alignment more thoroughly?
PfpIn fact, Varee had only mentioned the power declaring him to be town when he was asked questions involving it (questions from both Tiruin and Mastahcheese). Otherwise his posts were dealing with whatever was going on with the thread at the time.
@persus :the power is pretty much an auto that say everyone knows my wincon.
Not to mention that your attack was based of off a comment by Tiruin:
Quote from: TheDarkStar link=topic=142803.msg5652655#msg5652655 date=f1410478841
Tiruin was misremembering because Varee didn't say anything about his auto being like TDS, and instead of checking to see if that's the case, you went ahead and attacked Varee for it. And now you are still trying to make it look like it was a valid case. So yeah, I'm pretty convinced you're scum.Pfp...Didn't you say it was also like TDS' in which the alignment was still...err, question-possible?
@persus :the power is pretty much an auto that say everyone knows my wincon.
Yeah, this is bugging me. Varee is using his town-claiming role as a defense after I've pointed out that it's worthless.
And I'm pretty sure everyone with a vote has voted 4maskwolf at some point, so you don't get town cred for that.
Post by: Persus13 on September 22, 2014, 06:15:45 pm
PFPHow do you intend do be 100% certain someone is scum?
NQT: Yhm, I do indeed. Only realised that after posting, and, well, isn't there a no-edit rule? Allow me to rephrase:
I would rather not vote on someone when I am uncertain of just how scummy they are, since then it's also entirely possible they're either town or allied to town.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 22, 2014, 06:46:31 pm
TheDarkStar, TheDarkStarYes, how dare Varee bring up the power he had after I SPECIFICALLY ASKED HIM ABOUT IT:Because the only attack I remember you doing was on Varee for "using his town auto as a shield" when he didn't bring it up except in response to a question I asked.
Persus: You have a vote on me with no reasoning. Why are you voting me/why do you find me scummy?
So yes, you agree that Varee brought it up. Also, did you miss how I found 4mask scummy (obviously I don't now, though)?Varee:
Can you describe your power that reveals your alignment more thoroughly?PfpIn fact, Varee had only mentioned the power declaring him to be town when he was asked questions involving it (questions from both Tiruin and Mastahcheese). Otherwise his posts were dealing with whatever was going on with the thread at the time.
@persus :the power is pretty much an auto that say everyone knows my wincon.
Not to mention that your attack was based of off a comment by Tiruin:Quote from: TheDarkStar link=topic=142803.msg5652655#msg5652655 date=f1410478841Tiruin was misremembering because Varee didn't say anything about his auto being like TDS, and instead of checking to see if that's the case, you went ahead and attacked Varee for it. And now you are still trying to make it look like it was a valid case. So yeah, I'm pretty convinced you're scum.Pfp...Didn't you say it was also like TDS' in which the alignment was still...err, question-possible?
@persus :the power is pretty much an auto that say everyone knows my wincon.
Yeah, this is bugging me. Varee is using his town-claiming role as a defense after I've pointed out that it's worthless.
And I'm pretty sure everyone with a vote has voted 4maskwolf at some point, so you don't get town cred for that.
1. What I mean by Varee using his power as shield is this: Because my power works whether or not I am actually town, it means that all similar powers are suspect. However, when I brought this up, Varee never changed what he said; he still talked/wrote as if he was confirmed town (or at least that was the impression I got; at this point, I find him less scummy). I asked him some questions that were never responded to (Varee: Please respond to them), and then I got distracted by 4maskwolf.
2. I misread Tiruin's post in the first place; I though that it read "Didn't you say it was like TDS', and his power was still...err, question-possible?" That's why I responded in a way that actually doesn't make sense with compared to the quote.
3. Why are you focusing on me so much? I've been your main focus for most of the game so far. You also only gave reasons for voting me after I pressured you to; before that, you simply had a reasonless vote.
4. In the quote from Varee, he words his auto description very similarly to mine.
5. In response to Varee talking about his role: Well, yes, he talked about it in response to questions. Most people talk about things in Mafia in response to questions. Also, you've gone from "He talked about it once" to "He talked about it several times". You keep changing what you claim the evidence is:
In fact, Varee had only mentioned the power declaring him to be town when he was asked questions involving it (questions from both Tiruin and Mastahcheese). Otherwise his posts were dealing with whatever was going on with the thread at the time.
Because the only attack I remember you doing was on Varee for "using his town auto as a shield" when he didn't bring it up except in response to a question I asked.
Persus: You have a vote on me with no reasoning. Why are you voting me/why do you find me scummy?
That is just scummy. Persus13.
Post by: Varee on September 22, 2014, 06:58:26 pm
Post by: Jack A T on September 22, 2014, 07:07:00 pm
Oh, hey, votecount says I can't vote. What fun.
GayArchaea: Is there a reason for your initial lie? What sort of disturbing things?I should note that my vote represents Toaster at the moment, so I quote him here from the dead chat exactly.I lied a little, I actually quoted Urist Imiknorris. He's also been saying that he lied a little about his role claim. He is also saying disturbing things in the dead chat.
Message for notquitethere: "Of course town needs to kill to win. But killing scum is different from just killing. A bodycount of all townies fulfills the 'keep killing' part of your message but not the 'town win becomes more likely' bit. You're advocating bloodshed for its own sake, scum."
Day 2: Deciding that's a lame power, I target Jack AT, thinking he was unlikely to be dangerous to target, since some people are rather volatile.mastahcheese: I confirm you targeted me today. Why did you think I was unlikely to be dangerous to target?
Wind up getting the damn post restriction again.
Fuck you, Jack.
Did you attempt to do any investigations last night?NQT: I wish I could have.
I literally just used a random generator for it. So yeah.Blitz: Why a random generator?
I would rather not vote on someone when I am uncertain of just how scummy they are, since then it's also entirely possible they're either town or allied to town.My general recommendation: go for your top suspect at any given time (though do take caution at MYLO/LYLO). Each player in general is probably town, but I, for one, prefer taking out a weakly scummy player than nobody at all. Helps us gain information. Besides, the voting and justification of voting will be good practice.
Persus13: Why arrange your votes the way you did in this linked post? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5678212#msg5678212)
TheDarkStar: *headdesk* Are you really this incapable of engaging with the one repeatedly noted hole in your Varee case? Are you seriously brushing the question response issue off completely this brazenly?Because the only attack I remember you doing was on Varee for "using his town auto as a shield" when he didn't bring it up except in response to a question I asked.So yes, you agree that Varee brought it up.
5. In response to Varee talking about his role: Well, yes, he talked about it in response to questions. Most people talk about things in Mafia in response to questions.Alright, you're suddenly more willing to engage the issue. Badly. I'll ask this general question once more: how exactly is Varee stating/revealing specific information about his role in response to questions about that role evidence that Varee is using said specific information to shield himself from criticism? How is that, if evidence, strong enough evidence for what was you conclusion about Varee?
Post by: TheWetSheep on September 22, 2014, 07:09:16 pm
TWS: Have you posted yet today? How did bringing another set of eyes go.No, not yet. I was away over the weekend. This game is still far too crazy to get any decent results out of, and I don't have a lot of time, but I'll try to do stuff.
NQT:
Sheep, SheepHaving a vote doesn't mean we'll lynch scum, especially in this game. I'm not comfortable with revealing the power I used yet, but rest assured that it is good.Those must be some good things if they're better than lynching scum.Well? I'm prepared to be impressed.
Oh! Everyone should probably know that Wolf has a 50/50 chance of learning any power you use on him, so uh, bear that in mind. That's how he knows he was targeted by Carbon Copy:Why would you give out that information, when it benefits scum almost exclusively?Everyone: Alright, which one of you schmucks hit me with carbon copy and what did you get?
GayArchaea:
Also please revive me, I can obscure the roleflips of those killed during the night.What?
And I can make sure that not only one day, but TWO days can be skipped in total when I die again due to killing another player.
Also I need half the Town and all of the Scum dead, that's got to help my case.
These are all good reasons not to revive you. Roleflips are useful only when they're not obscured. Days are where we find mafia, and shouldn't be skipped. Other people who die that aren't hybrid town don't need half the town dead, so are more pro-town than you.
Also, can you tell us what kind of messages they're sending the scum?
Post by: flabort on September 22, 2014, 07:14:06 pm
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Post by: flabort on September 22, 2014, 07:15:00 pm
Oh, hey, votecount says I can't vote. What fun.Oops. Fixing.
Post by: notquitethere on September 22, 2014, 07:21:28 pm
unvote all
Jack, you're telling me thst with 10+ powers you don't have a single information giving night action? I don't buy it.
Sheep, Sheep if town don't vote then of course scum aren't going to be killed. Ambivalence about scum hunting is a big tell. Also, why should I care what info I share about Wolf? He's not town. I don't want people needlessly making non-town players stronger.
TDS, so you think the only legitimate reason to role block someone is if they have a day kill?
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 22, 2014, 07:29:29 pm
@TDS: Umm what are the questions again? Also you are sounding pretty desprerate to defend your case against me? What up with that? My power and your result in the same thing doesnt mean there are the same, from what i understand you said that your power is "say i am town no matter what my alignment is"?
I thought what you were doing was odd, so I posted about it. The way you described your role was very similar to mine, but it's not really enough for a 2-day-long case. I haven't noticed anything else scummy, so at this point, I don't think you are scum; I haven't actually pressed a case on you in a long time.
Questions:
PPE: Jack A T: I found Varee mildly scummy at one point, but there wasn't enough evidence to press a case that long. Persus is bringing up events from the beginning of Day 1 that aren't all that relevant right now.
Persus13: Why do you think that what I thought about Varee is still relevant? Also, what do you mean by saying that "Varee never talked about his power" and "He talked about it when people asked him to"? Am I misunderstanding what you are saying?
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 22, 2014, 07:35:17 pm
TDS, so you think the only legitimate reason to role block someone is if they have a day kill?
No; the reasoning that 4mask gave was that because he wanted to survive for at least a day, he picked someone at random right at the start to roleblock and lower his chances of dying.
The post:
pfpGiven the power level of my abilities, I'm not even going to question how you know the exact power I used on her. Yeah, I did that, basically as soon as I got my role. I did it because why not: I had no idea who I was allied with at the time, and one less player who can kill me before I determine that is always a good thing.
Toaster, Wolf, which one of you pestered Tiruin, tried to get all her roles nullified for a cycle, and why?
4maskwolf
That's a rather scummy action - Tiruin can't daykill (and you didn't even stop to check, since you said that you did it as soon as you got your role), so why would you randomly block someone at the beginning of the day?
Also, another question to Persus13: Why are you so worried about my voting of Varee when I didn't even end up voting for him in the end on Day 1 and barely put any pressure on him? You've been going after me since halfway through Day 1 for a minor suspicion that I had at one point.
Post by: Jack A T on September 22, 2014, 07:39:40 pm
Jack, you're telling me thst with 10+ powers you don't have a single information giving night action? I don't buy it.NQT: Yes, I am telling you that I was not given a single investigative action. I believe flabort said somewhere that he made each role before distributing them; I think I'm just a victim of bad luck.
PPE: Jack A T: I found Varee mildly scummy at one point, but there wasn't enough evidence to press a case that long. Persus is bringing up events from the beginning of Day 1 that aren't all that relevant right now.TheDarkStar, since I can vote now: Why do you get to declare your earlier attacks off-limits/irrelevant now?
Persus13: Why do you think that what I thought about Varee is still relevant? Also, what do you mean by saying that "Varee never talked about his power" and "He talked about it when people asked him to"? Am I misunderstanding what you are saying?
Post by: GayArchaea on September 22, 2014, 07:44:52 pm
TheWetSheep: It is the only way I can still win, if someone revives me. I may as well just try.
The deadchat has been sending scum useful messages such as "I like big butts and I cannot lie", "Message Relayed", and impersonations of TolyK, all given anonymously to scum.
also there was some suspecting of Perseus13, some taunts directly to scum actually.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 22, 2014, 07:48:43 pm
Persus13:Why do you think that what I thought about Varee is still relevant? Also, what do you mean by saying that "Varee never talked about his power" and "He talked about it when people asked him to"? Am I misunderstanding what you are saying?TheDarkStar, since I can vote now: Why do you get to declare your earlier attacks off-limits/irrelevant now?
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Because I haven't actually agreed with them since early Day 1. Varee gives a slightly town read right now. When I originally made my comments, I thought "That's odd, I wonder if Varee's role is the same," and then when he said it wasn't, I pressured him a bit to make sure and then switched focus to other players (Toaster in one post and then 4mask for the rest of the day). Also, since it was not addressed to you, I'll ask it again:
Why do you think that what I thought about Varee is still relevant?
Post by: Tiruin on September 22, 2014, 07:49:41 pm
ALSO I'M SAD. KILL ME.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 22, 2014, 07:52:53 pm
PFP TolyK is a brother to TDS.
ALSO I'M SAD. KILL ME.
Why should we kill you? Also, interesting; I did not expect that.
Post by: Tiruin on September 22, 2014, 07:55:46 pm
That's my negative voice, somehow echoing how I feel IRL though because sadness :vPFP TolyK is a brother to TDS.
ALSO I'M SAD. KILL ME.
Why should we kill you? Also, interesting; I did not expect that.
THIS IS NEGATIVITY. IT IS IN CAPITALIZATION.
Also I'm PFP'ing but I remember this was something connected to TolyK, Varee and 4mask for some reason with claims on TOlYK's side but I can't think about it now.
So, Tiruin, you care more about using powers than lynching scum. Precisely how many scum have been killed by powers so far?. . . . ?
I think you're really misinterpreting what I said. Been strangely extremely objective, you have.
Post by: TolyK on September 22, 2014, 11:16:29 pm
Gasp
Applaud
*ahem*
I would've wanted to keep that info until I knew who my brother-target's alignment was completely, though.
And NQT, I happen to have a laughably inefficient investigation power, and that's it (if I remember correctly). However, I can give people night info if I want to.
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 22, 2014, 11:56:19 pm
PERSUS13: I never said 100%. I just want to be more than 50% sure that they're scum.
Jack AT: No real reason, other than me having precisely 0 reads.
Post by: TolyK on September 23, 2014, 01:51:03 am
Yes, indeed. There is much less than a 50% chance of someone being scum.
I would agree. This means that it's better than the odds if you think they're even 33% scum.
Also, we have an SK, I'm pretty sure - acting on a hunch, though, so feel free to disregard.
Post by: Jack A T on September 23, 2014, 02:14:16 am
Because I haven't actually agreed with them since early Day 1. Varee gives a slightly town read right now. When I originally made my comments, I thought "That's odd, I wonder if Varee's role is the same," and then when he said it wasn't, I pressured him a bit to make sure and then switched focus to other players (Toaster in one post and then 4mask for the rest of the day). Also, since it was not addressed to you, I'll ask it again:TheDarkStar: Why wouldn't it be? Your past actions, whether or not you would still take them now, are relevant to evaluations of your play across the game. While you did back off when you realized you couldn't get very far (I did forget that part, thanks for the reminder), you couldn't justify your actions well back then. Now, your justification has improved, but your efforts to dismiss your earlier actions as irrelevant are somewhat off-putting.
Why do you think that what I thought about Varee is still relevant?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 23, 2014, 08:12:30 am
PFP TolyK is a brother to TDS.I can confirm this!
Also, though Tiruin may not have seen it, something caused the power to bounce unexpectantly, and I also saw NQT as "Town with no evil intentions"
Did you get that part, Tiru?
@Jack: I figured it'd be ok to hit you because you weren't going off about having shotguns/bombs strapped to your chest/whatever like some other people (myself included) have been.
Post by: Tiruin on September 23, 2014, 08:18:13 am
Parse Restriction:OPFP TolyK is a brother to TDS.I can confirm this!
Also, though Tiruin may not have seen it, something caused the power to bounce unexpectantly, and I also saw NQT as "Town with no evil intentions"
Did you get that part, Tiru?
*Tiruin steeples fingers.
Maybe not.
FLABORT'S BYOR IS ACTUALLY GAME OF THRONES. SO MUCH UNDERLYING CONSPIRACY.
PFP
Post by: mastahcheese on September 23, 2014, 08:21:57 am
FLABORT'S BYOR IS ACTUALLY GAME OF THRONES. SO MUCH UNDERLYING CONSPIRACY.IT ALL MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW
Post by: Persus13 on September 23, 2014, 12:48:09 pm
TheDarkStar
1. What I mean by Varee using his power as shield is this: Because my power works whether or not I am actually town, it means that all similar powers are suspect. However, when I brought this up, Varee never changed what he said; he still talked/wrote as if he was confirmed town (or at least that was the impression I got; at this point, I find him less scummy). I asked him some questions that were never responded to (Varee: Please respond to them), and then I got distracted by 4maskwolf.How did he talk as if he was confirmed town? What do you mean by that.
3. Why are you focusing on me so much? I've been your main focus for most of the game so far. You also only gave reasons for voting me after I pressured you to; before that, you simply had a reasonless vote.You're the player I've found the scummiest in this game (although it doesn't help that some players are new and others aren't trying to scumhunt and instead focusing on their powers. And there's a contradiction in this sentence. You're making it out that my day 2 vote on you was reasonless while at the same time you are saying I've focused on you for much of the game. My day 2 vote was a continuation of my day 1 vote.
5. In response to Varee talking about his role: Well, yes, he talked about it in response to questions. Most people talk about things in Mafia in response to questions. Also, you've gone from "He talked about it once" to "He talked about it several times". You keep changing what you claim the evidence is:Yes, Varee talked about it in response to questions, when he was specifically asked questions about the power. Other players brought it up. If Varee had brought it up it would be suspicious like you said, but he did not. You specifically attacked Varee for his response to my question. I didn't count Tiruin's question and Varee's response because those were the firsts posts of the game. MC's question was more about what Varee would do about him being confirmed town. As to why I "changed" my story, I hadn't noticed those two questions until I reread the thread and noticed them because 1. they weren't mine 2. they was no followup on them and 3. No one decided to use them as the basis of an attack.In fact, Varee had only mentioned the power declaring him to be town when he was asked questions involving it (questions from both Tiruin and Mastahcheese). Otherwise his posts were dealing with whatever was going on with the thread at the time.That is just scummy. Persus13.Because the only attack I remember you doing was on Varee for "using his town auto as a shield" when he didn't bring it up except in response to a question I asked.
Persus: You have a vote on me with no reasoning. Why are you voting me/why do you find me scummy?
Persus13: Why do you think that what I thought about Varee is still relevant? Also, what do you mean by saying that "Varee never talked about his power" and "He talked about it when people asked him to"? Am I misunderstanding what you are saying?Where did I say Varee never talked about his power? As to why its still relevant, its because you kept twisting what happened Day 1 to make you look good instead of admitting you were wrong about Varee. And because that, you joining the 4maskwolf bandwagon, and your OMGUS vote on me are the only attacks on me you've done. As for why I'm saying Varee was not talking about his power, and doing it only when specifically asked about it, I'm talking about because that is in contrast to your attack on him for using it as an excuse. You accused him of something that wasn't true.
Also, another question to Persus13: Why are you so worried about my voting of Varee when I didn't even end up voting for him in the end on Day 1 and barely put any pressure on him? You've been going after me since halfway through Day 1 for a minor suspicion that I had at one point.Answered above.
Jack A T
Persus13: Why arrange your votes the way you did in this linked post? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5678212#msg5678212)I was refreshing my Day 1 vote of TDS and I couldn't think of something to ask him. I voted Blitz twice to pressure vote about something he said that struck me as suspicious (also, I forgot he was a new player)
NQT:
Jack, you're telling me thst with 10+ powers you don't have a single information giving night action? I don't buy it.I don't have an information giving night action either. How does claiming not to have one make Jack scummy?
GayArchea:
also there was some suspecting of Perseus13, some taunts directly to scum actually.My name is Persus, not Perseus. Also given that I was the major reason behind UI's lynch, I'm not at all surprised that he thinks I'm scum. What sort of taunts?
Tiruin, Mastahcheese:
PFP TolyK is a brother to TDS.How do you know this?
Post by: TolyK on September 23, 2014, 01:13:05 pm
Best. Par-tay EVAR
Or not. You won't get it if you aren't in it, but that means you're not a cool kid.
All the cool kids are there. Except the dead ones.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 23, 2014, 02:24:44 pm
Persus:
She has an infallible random inspect that I can invoke during the day.
Because I'm activating her power, we both see the results.
We explained this a while back ago.
Post by: Persus13 on September 23, 2014, 02:32:37 pm
PostWell maybe next time you could say that's how you know instead of just saying the result and acting condescending when I ask how you know that.
Persus:Cause we're fuckin' awesome
She has an infallible random inspect that I can invoke during the day.
Because I'm activating her power, we both see the results.
We explained this a while back ago.
Flabort: Alignment inspects of brothers tell who you the brother is with?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 23, 2014, 02:34:34 pm
I can't really convey tone over the Internet. :-\
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 23, 2014, 05:18:45 pm
TheDarkStar, TheDarkStar, No Lynch Testing to see if this will work.
TheDarkStar1. What I mean by Varee using his power as shield is this: Because my power works whether or not I am actually town, it means that all similar powers are suspect. However, when I brought this up, Varee never changed what he said; he still talked/wrote as if he was confirmed town (or at least that was the impression I got; at this point, I find him less scummy). I asked him some questions that were never responded to (Varee: Please respond to them), and then I got distracted by 4maskwolf.How did he talk as if he was confirmed town? What do you mean by that.3. Why are you focusing on me so much? I've been your main focus for most of the game so far. You also only gave reasons for voting me after I pressured you to; before that, you simply had a reasonless vote.You're the player I've found the scummiest in this game (although it doesn't help that some players are new and others aren't trying to scumhunt and instead focusing on their powers. And there's a contradiction in this sentence. You're making it out that my day 2 vote on you was reasonless while at the same time you are saying I've focused on you for much of the game. My day 2 vote was a continuation of my day 1 vote.5. In response to Varee talking about his role: Well, yes, he talked about it in response to questions. Most people talk about things in Mafia in response to questions. Also, you've gone from "He talked about it once" to "He talked about it several times". You keep changing what you claim the evidence is:Yes, Varee talked about it in response to questions, when he was specifically asked questions about the power. Other players brought it up. If Varee had brought it up it would be suspicious like you said, but he did not. You specifically attacked Varee for his response to my question. I didn't count Tiruin's question and Varee's response because those were the firsts posts of the game. MC's question was more about what Varee would do about him being confirmed town. As to why I "changed" my story, I hadn't noticed those two questions until I reread the thread and noticed them because 1. they weren't mine 2. they was no followup on them and 3. No one decided to use them as the basis of an attack.In fact, Varee had only mentioned the power declaring him to be town when he was asked questions involving it (questions from both Tiruin and Mastahcheese). Otherwise his posts were dealing with whatever was going on with the thread at the time.That is just scummy. Persus13.Because the only attack I remember you doing was on Varee for "using his town auto as a shield" when he didn't bring it up except in response to a question I asked.
Persus: You have a vote on me with no reasoning. Why are you voting me/why do you find me scummy?Persus13: Why do you think that what I thought about Varee is still relevant? Also, what do you mean by saying that "Varee never talked about his power" and "He talked about it when people asked him to"? Am I misunderstanding what you are saying?Where did I say Varee never talked about his power? As to why its still relevant, its because you kept twisting what happened Day 1 to make you look good instead of admitting you were wrong about Varee. And because that, you joining the 4maskwolf bandwagon, and your OMGUS vote on me are the only attacks on me you've done. As for why I'm saying Varee was not talking about his power, and doing it only when specifically asked about it, I'm talking about because that is in contrast to your attack on him for using it as an excuse. You accused him of something that wasn't true.Also, another question to Persus13: Why are you so worried about my voting of Varee when I didn't even end up voting for him in the end on Day 1 and barely put any pressure on him? You've been going after me since halfway through Day 1 for a minor suspicion that I had at one point.Answered above.
1. Quote:
3. You voted me with no reason given a while after Day 2 started; there's wasn't even a "I'm voting for him because of reasons I've previously said."
5. You should have noted that you had seen more things.
I voted before the 4mask bandwagon started, actually.
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 23, 2014, 05:23:40 pm
POST RESTRICTION!Because I haven't actually agreed with them since early Day 1. Varee gives a slightly town read right now. When I originally made my comments, I thought "That's odd, I wonder if Varee's role is the same," and then when he said it wasn't, I pressured him a bit to make sure and then switched focus to other players (Toaster in one post and then 4mask for the rest of the day). Also, since it was not addressed to you, I'll ask it again:TheDarkStar: Why wouldn't it be? Your past actions, whether or not you would still take them now, are relevant to evaluations of your play across the game. While you did back off when you realized you couldn't get very far (I did forget that part, thanks for the reminder), you couldn't justify your actions well back then. Now, your justification has improved, but your efforts to dismiss your earlier actions as irrelevant are somewhat off-putting.
Why do you think that what I thought about Varee is still relevant?
I didn't justify my actions well at that time because it was a small thing that did not require a lengthy justification. I thought Varee's choice of words was odd, so I said something about it. What more is there to add?
Post by: Tiruin on September 23, 2014, 05:27:18 pm
You seem stressed, Persus ._. MC's tone didn't come off as condescending here...PostWell maybe next time you could say that's how you know instead of just saying the result and acting condescending when I ask how you know that.
Persus:Cause we're fuckin' awesome
She has an infallible random inspect that I can invoke during the day.
Because I'm activating her power, we both see the results.
We explained this a while back ago.
Flabort: Alignment inspects of brothers tell who you the brother is with?
And I'll answer it for Flabort: No. It's explicitly mentioned in our Inspect as to that thingy there.
STRESS IS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH. ALSO IT = LESSER WBCS. THIS INFORMATION MAY BE ERRONEOUS.
PFP- reading up.
Post by: Persus13 on September 23, 2014, 07:08:10 pm
I knew y'all had a random inspect. The two of you declared TolyK was TheDarkStar's brother. I didn't need it spelled out for me that you have a random inspect. MC could just have said, "It's the random inspect". It doesn't matter anyway.You seem stressed, Persus ._. MC's tone didn't come off as condescending here...PostWell maybe next time you could say that's how you know instead of just saying the result and acting condescending when I ask how you know that.
Persus:Cause we're fuckin' awesome
She has an infallible random inspect that I can invoke during the day.
Because I'm activating her power, we both see the results.
We explained this a while back ago.
Flabort: Alignment inspects of brothers tell who you the brother is with?
And I'll answer it for Flabort: No. It's explicitly mentioned in our Inspect as to that thingy there.
STRESS IS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH. ALSO IT = LESSER WBCS. THIS INFORMATION MAY BE ERRONEOUS.
PFP- reading up.
Post by: flabort on September 23, 2014, 08:22:48 pm
Flabort: Alignment inspects of brothers tell who you the brother is with?Not usually. Usually, alignment inspects don't even tell you that they're a brother, just third party.
Post by: flabort on September 23, 2014, 08:27:28 pm
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Day ends Wednesday, September 24th, 7:00 PM Alberta Time. (Approximately 24 hours from this post)
Post by: Tiruin on September 23, 2014, 09:23:49 pm
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(Approximately 24 hours from this post)I'll be posting soon >:I
WHY CAN'T ANYONE EXPLAIN WHY GRAVITY WORKS!? IT IS A NICE IDEA. BUT I'M NEGATIVE ABOUT IT.
...Blitz still has -1 votes, for some reason?
SBC: Didn't you talk about something regarding your votes and how there's a negative to yours?
Post by: Varee on September 24, 2014, 12:11:42 am
SBC vote will just go to random people and it will reduce the vote number by 1 , it change everytime flabort post a vote. apparently it can go to same person moer than once.
Blitz: he have -4 vote from start
Post by: GayArchaea on September 24, 2014, 06:54:43 am
GayArchea:The taunts were mostly about how you managed to evade death due to swapping with Mastahcheese. "...Persus13 has the mastahcheese role, which gives him nine lives, the lucky bastard."also there was some suspecting of Perseus13, some taunts directly to scum actually.My name is Persus, not Perseus. Also given that I was the major reason behind UI's lynch, I'm not at all surprised that he thinks I'm scum. What sort of taunts?
Unvote.
Post by: flabort on September 24, 2014, 08:40:55 am
Except for GA's unvote, no change in 4 posts, so day ends in approximately 12 hours and no votecount right now.
Post by: Shakerag on September 24, 2014, 08:43:07 am
Post by: TolyK on September 24, 2014, 08:56:21 am
U too.
Who would people actually like lynched?
Post by: notquitethere on September 24, 2014, 09:08:14 am
I'd be happy to see Blitz, Blitz, Blitz, Blitz lynched. He's uninterested in active scumhunting and his negative vote power could be troublesome for town at LYLO. Nobody vouches for him inspect-wise and he hasn't claimed anything that would explain his indifference play.
Sheep and Jack would be close second picks. Sheep decided not to get his vote back even though he was able, and Jack is setting off alarm bells for me with the quicktopic business (why didn't he tell us straight away what it was about) and his general play.
Hopefully I'll be about to post and respond to some of the recent discussion later in this day. If not... good luck in the long night ahead!
Post by: Varee on September 24, 2014, 09:12:24 am
Post by: mastahcheese on September 24, 2014, 09:16:56 am
GayArchea: When did you recieve information on Persus having a "mastahcheese" role, or about him having nine lives?
Post by: Persus13 on September 24, 2014, 09:27:30 am
TolyK:
I have the feeling Blitz will quickly change his votes to TDS or Persus.Check the vote count on who I am voting. After TDS, I'd probably pick NQT for being unusual aggressive towards targets I'm not really sure deserve it, but that's a gut reading and I need to reread the thread. (PPE: Especially since he just completely ignored commenting on the TDS, TWS tie)
U too.
Who would people actually like lynched?
1. Quote:1. Quote what?
3. You voted me with no reason given a while after Day 2 started; there's wasn't even a "I'm voting for him because of reasons I've previously said."
5. You should have noted that you had seen more things.
I voted before the 4mask bandwagon started, actually.
3. I was reissuing my Day 1 vote of you. I've said this before.
5. I only noticed there was more when I checked back on the vote count. I didn't remember them before because they weren't very important.
I thought you voted 4mask after MC voted him?
pfpHow about the fact that he's new?
I'd be happy to see Blitz, Blitz, Blitz, Blitz lynched. He's uninterested in active scumhunting and his negative vote power could be troublesome for town at LYLO. Nobody vouches for him inspect-wise and he hasn't claimed anything that would explain his indifference play.
Post by: TolyK on September 24, 2014, 09:45:04 am
Yarr!
On a more serious note, that actually makes sense. Still, -4 votes is more likely to be scum than town (inherent LYLO advantage, even if everyone has a lot of votes).
You also missed that it was a three(four?)-way tie, between you, Blitz and TDS (and TWS?). It's now in favor of Blitz.
Post by: Tiruin on September 24, 2014, 09:48:25 am
...
Primarily due to my focus being diverted from this game, in this dayframe, due to RL (and not because I'm playing in the other BYOR).
...And I'd like to wonder if, seeing my votes yesterday, if that steal was an 'in-the-moment' ability or not.
UNHAND THE NEWBIE, YE EXPERIENCED CURS.
Post by: Persus13 on September 24, 2014, 09:50:12 am
Newbies must be lynched!Are you talking to me? Actually it's currently a three way tie between Blitz, TDS, and TWS (GA unvoted me and shakerag voted sheep)
Yarr!
On a more serious note, that actually makes sense. Still, -4 votes is more likely to be scum than town (inherent LYLO advantage, even if everyone has a lot of votes).
You also missed that it was a three(four?)-way tie, between you, Blitz and TDS (and TWS?). It's now in favor of Blitz.
Post by: TolyK on September 24, 2014, 09:54:29 am
U know, the chat that has everyone alive in it?
...
Dead players can't read or write to it! Since many players can do stuff while dead (apparently), this nerfs dead players. Scum can already read scum chat and post anonymously into it though deadchat. Thus, it nerfs dead townies.
Thus, Jack is very possibly scum.
Q. E. D.
Ppe: Yes, that was to you. And NQT voted Blitz x4, so he's currently in the lead.
I'd like at least a comment before he dies, though - information to the town is good.
Post by: Tiruin on September 24, 2014, 10:00:08 am
I'd like at least a comment before he dies, though - information to the town is good....Oddly, the last part came to me very pointedly.
Anyway, timecount?
Post by: Persus13 on September 24, 2014, 10:12:31 am
Something I've noticed while reading the Jack-chat...no, Blitz was at -1, so he's currently at 3
U know, the chat that has everyone alive in it?
...
Dead players can't read or write to it! Since many players can do stuff while dead (apparently), this nerfs dead players. Scum can already read scum chat and post anonymously into it though deadchat. Thus, it nerfs dead townies.
Thus, Jack is very possibly scum.
Q. E. D.
Ppe: Yes, that was to you. And NQT voted Blitz x4, so he's currently in the lead.
I'd like at least a comment before he dies, though - information to the town is good.
how is Jack-chat pro-scum? Dead players can't normally use chats anyway.
Post by: TolyK on September 24, 2014, 10:32:33 am
No good mixing them.
BlitzDungeoneer (-1) - #Cheeetar#,TolyK, TolyK, TolyK, #Shakerag#, SuperBlackcat, Superblackcat
*Jack A T (2) - #Zombie Urist#, notquitethere +2xSBC - 1xShakerag +4xNQT = 4 votes
Mastahcheese (1) - 4maskwolf
Notquitethere (0) -
Persus13 (3) - TheDarkStar, TheDarkStar,
SuperBlackCat (0) -
TheDarkStar (3) - Persus13, Jack A T, Persus13
TheWetSheep (2) - notquitethere, notquitethere -2xNQT + Shakerag = 1 vote
*Tiruin (0) -
TolyK (0) -
Varee (0) -
No Lynch (1) - Persus13
Not Voting:BlitzDungeoneer, BlitzDungeoneer,
I'm not counting SBC anti-votes because they're random.
That's the point. If the dead couldn't speak in day chat, then Jack-chat would be neutral. This nerfs dead people, in this particular game.
Post by: Varee on September 24, 2014, 10:35:37 am
Post by: Varee on September 24, 2014, 10:37:06 am
Post by: TolyK on September 24, 2014, 10:41:47 am
U made sure this was taken account of.
See: -2xNQT etc.
Post by: Persus13 on September 24, 2014, 10:42:35 am
That's the point. If the dead couldn't speak in day chat, then Jack-chat would be neutral. This nerfs dead people, in this particular game.I'm still failing to understand the problem. So GayArchaea and 4maskwolf don't have access to the Jack-chat. Why does this mean Jack is scum?
Also you have NQT listed as voting Jack A T.
Post by: TolyK on September 24, 2014, 10:45:44 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 24, 2014, 10:48:46 am
IT LOOKS LIKE A CAT
Post by: Persus13 on September 24, 2014, 10:49:52 am
TDS x3Can you give more reasoning for your vote then this?
IT LOOKS LIKE A CAT
Post by: Tiruin on September 24, 2014, 10:58:47 am
OH HERE IT COMES. MAGNETISM. GRAVITY IS WEAKER THAN THAT.
BlitzDungeoneer (-1) - #Cheeetar#,TolyK, TolyK, TolyK, #Shakerag#, SuperBlackcat, Superblackcat
TheDarkStar (3) - Persus13, Jack A T, Persus13
Y'all say there's a tie between these two. We've got non-players rooting for Blitz :V
With a grand total of two players jumping on Blitz, and two players jumping on TDS.
Given the system of time in this game, we're limited without consensual extension--funny thing, given the easy abuse of vote-power and jumpiness of people towards those who seem lax, given my insight into the vote-process.
There's a lack of cases being pushed forward, and there's more a lack of people looking into how the day is being played; subtle details are being missed out, and today would turn to be a waste with this show at hand. Oh, and someone stole NQT's votes (or they're invisible :v)
SO, my point is, my vote isn't sticking on TDS, but rather as a placeholder to enforce a lynch instead of a no-lynch. Pity on Blitz, however, due to him being new and...actually really pretty hard to read given his posts this game. Same idea, however, goes to TDS--yeah, I get that you can 'prove' TolyK one way or another, however the judgement behind why TDS is being lynched is pretty...
Superficial.
Oh, and nyancat says hi.
Post by: Tiruin on September 24, 2014, 11:00:29 am
Votecount> « Reply #971 on: September 23, 2014, 08:27:28 pm »Spoiler: Darkling (click to show/hide)(* = used 1 extension)Spoiler: Non-Darkling (click to show/hide)
Day ends Wednesday, September 24th, 7:00 PM Alberta Time. (Approximately 24 hours from this post)
> September 24, 2014, 10:59:52 am
Though its approximately a bit further than what's given. :P
Post by: TolyK on September 24, 2014, 11:14:38 am
TDS will vote for Blitz to save his own skin (because duh), and so will Blitz.
But... well.
I don't really know the answer.
Neither do U.
If TDS ends up scum, I'll have to play like scum, you understand? Meanwhile, I'm playing like town-sided chaotic neutral (due to it being more likely my being town than scum).
Post by: BlitzDungeoneer on September 24, 2014, 11:32:00 am
Well... This escalated quickly, methinks.
Also, TolyK, I am disappointed that you think so little of me. I have no intention of doing that, nor did I have before.
Post by: TolyK on September 24, 2014, 11:40:16 am
That's more reason to lynch you. If you don't care about your own survival, then if you're town it won't help the town wincon. Read: "I know I'm town, not sure that he is though, so I'll be fine with lynching confirmed-to-me town instead of unknown-to-my player."
However, voting the other person right before day end would be scummy on most people's books.
Yes, I know this is a Catch-22.
Try to get out of it correctly.
Post by: GayArchaea on September 24, 2014, 04:08:35 pm
Huh?I read it in the far more casual Deadchat; It was posted 09-19-2014, 10:40 PM ET (US).
GayArchea: When did you recieve information on Persus having a "mastahcheese" role, or about him having nine lives?
TolyK
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 24, 2014, 05:03:53 pm
Tiruin, why did you vote for me? If it was to break a tie, why me specifically and not someone else?
Also, if I do eventually die, nonplayers won't be able to vote; I also haven't brought in a new player yet (these could both help get us out of LyLo).
Post by: Shakerag on September 24, 2014, 05:45:12 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 24, 2014, 05:46:14 pm
This way, a lynch is not wasted. I could have done my alignment check, but now I can't because I'm dead. I don't know if this will immediately stop spectators or not, though.
Post by: flabort on September 24, 2014, 05:53:11 pm
~2 hours to day end... assuming I get there on time and nobody extends, and stuff
Post by: flabort on September 24, 2014, 06:34:16 pm
Spoiler: Darkling (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Non-Darkling (click to show/hide)
Day ends Wednesday, September 24th, 7:00 PM Alberta Time. (Approximately 1.5 hours from this post)
TheDarkStar has died. He was.......a.. ............ ........... . ............. ............ ... .........
Post by: Varee on September 24, 2014, 07:01:34 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on September 24, 2014, 07:02:40 pm
Post by: flabort on September 24, 2014, 07:08:29 pm
Post by: flabort on September 24, 2014, 07:57:07 pm
I should go ahead and lock the thread to write up the day results now, but won't just yet...
Edit: OK, locking.
Post by: flabort on September 24, 2014, 08:08:18 pm
The embers of the torches and the fire built in the middle of the room die down, and darkness starts to descend. A cardboard cutout of a videogame hero is tossed onto the fire to keep it going, and discussion becomes hushed as BlitzDungeoneer is pushed forward.
The flames leap from the fire, onto him, and the guy pushing him forward, who was just some minor person who had been in the store for reasons unrelated to the release of the game, and had no stones; someone quickly rescues shakerag from the fire, but Blitz is not saved. He is completely consumed and turns to ash.
BlitzDungeoneer has died. He was Town.
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BlitzDungeoneer
Alignment: Town
Wincon: When all Anti-town factions are dead.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki
(Night) Character Growth [Self]: You gain a new power or auto. This ability can only be used once per night regardless of extra actions.
(Auto) Bright Freaking Orange: It is revealed at the end of each phase if you targeted anyone that phase, and who you targeted.
(Auto) Immense Chakra Potential: You may take two actions each night, even if they are the same one.
(Night) Shadow Clone Technique[Self]: You create a clone of yourself. Any action targeting you has an equal chance of hitting you or one of your clones (More clones means less chance of hitting you). If a clone is actioned, it disapears.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada
(Night) Cicada's Song [Target]: You may sing and distract your target, preventing them from using any abilities that night. (Roleblock)
(Night) Eyes in the Sky [Target]: You fly over your target and keep track of anyone that they target.
(Auto) Massively Durable Bug: You start the day with negative four votes on you. Having negative votes means you have less votes against you than anyone who hasn't voted.
You also pick up the following roles:
Think tank
(Night) Delegate Policy [Target1, Target2]: Target 1 targets Target 2 with one of the following of your choice: Doctor Protection, Investigation, Watcher. This works even if they don't have the ability, and does not use their action.
(Night) Borrow Thoughts [Target1, Target2]: You use a random night action that Target 1 possesses on Target 2.
The FHPBYOR Role That Hunts Canadian Government Departments [Shakeragian]
(Night) Government Hunting [Target]: If your target has a Canadian Government branch as a role, you remove that role from them. You do not get the role. If they have two or more, you kill them instead.
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(Auto) FistKey: You must include one or more non-words in each post you make, or you cannot use KeyFist the next night.
(Night) KeyFist [Target]: As long as your target did not use an ability, you kill them.
Magnesium [Elemental Role]
(Night) Dangerously Reactive [Target]: Your target loses a random power. If the power came from a non-noble gas Elemental Role, the target dies.
Neon [Elemental Role]
(Auto) Really, Really bright: Your targets are publically known at the end of each phase.
(Auto) Noble Gas: The Dangerously Reactive power does not apply to you as if you were not an Elemental Role.
Berilium [Elemental Role]
(Auto) X-Ray Transparency: Power-based information learned about you is always sane.
Gag-tie
(Day) Squirt [Target]: Your target is publicly revealed to be soaked. Nothing happens to a soaked person, it's just revealed that they are.
Dr. Stephen Maturin
(Night) Ship's Surgeon [Target]: You protect your target from being killed. However, if nobody attempts to kill your target, you kill them instead.
(Auto) Drug Adict: Any information you learn from powers has a 50% chance of being false, this stacks with any other sources of misinformation.
Night 2 begins, and will end Friday, September 26
The leaping flames leave no fuel left burning, and attempts to restart the fire fail. The store is completely dark, except for in the corner where someone found a flashlight.
Post by: notquitethere on September 25, 2014, 03:26:48 am
Sorry Blitz! Here's a tip: if you're town, use your damn vote. Reluctance to press cases is a reasonably strong scumtell. Don't let the fear of mislynching stop you: if town don't pull the trigger, no scum will die.
So we're entering the double night. Once again, can I remind you all that unless you have a power like Blitz's "X-Ray Transparency", your role power information will not be sane. As such, if you're not sane and you are town I advise you doing something else with your night actions if possible.
Post by: Tiruin on September 25, 2014, 03:37:04 am
OH LOOK, THE NEWBIE GOT LYNCHED. HOW HAPPY ARE YOU FOLKS NOW?
And it seems I am lacking my votes, though yet they display in the not-voting, aye?
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The FHPBYOR Role That Hunts Canadian Government Departments [Shakeragian]HOORAH.
(Night) Government Hunting [Target]: If your target has a Canadian Government branch as a role, you remove that role from them. You do not get the role. If they have two or more, you kill them instead.
As of note, nobody even voted for that one tiny rule. Thanks non-players, for making my life grumpy :I
*Tiruin punches NQT. Hmph.
Post by: notquitethere on September 25, 2014, 03:39:48 am
Newbies have to learn sooner or later that they won't be given the benefit of the doubt indefinitely.
Post by: Tiruin on September 25, 2014, 04:03:11 am
Now the question is: How sincere was that lynch?
I'M THE HAAAANGMAN~I TIE THE ROPE AND PULL THE LEVER AN- MUCH NEGATIVITY!
Post by: notquitethere on September 25, 2014, 04:15:27 am
Do you think TDS will die in the night now? I wouldn't mind if he did.
Gay Archaea, I've got a theory... was Chemical Concoction a power that was added to 'Toaster' mid-way through the game?
Post by: GayArchaea on September 25, 2014, 07:20:44 am
Gay Archaea, I've got a theory... was Chemical Concoction a power that was added to 'Toaster' mid-way through the game?Yes
Post by: Persus13 on September 25, 2014, 02:58:49 pm
In which I apologiseAnd you only said this to blitz afterword because?
Sorry Blitz! Here's a tip: if you're town, use your damn vote. Reluctance to press cases is a reasonably strong scumtell. Don't let the fear of mislynching stop you: if town don't pull the trigger, no scum will die.
So we're entering the double night. Once again, can I remind you all that unless you have a power like Blitz's "X-Ray Transparency", your role power information will not be sane. As such, if you're not sane and you are town I advise you doing something else with your night actions if possible.
What are your thoughts on TDS?
Post by: notquitethere on September 25, 2014, 05:07:37 pm
Persus
And you only said this to blitz afterword because?I had no idea whether he was scum or town before. Now I know he's town, I'm giving newbie-town related advice. Among otherwise fairly competent players, reluctance to push cases is one of the more reliable scum tells (and I know this is from from a history of counting the cases players made). I recall Jiokuy making much the same excuses as Blitz did and then turning out to be an SK in Supernatural.
What are your thoughts on TDS?Not pressing an alternative case to his own lynch is eyebrow raising at the least, and one wonders whether he killed himself (or had a team-mate kill him) knowing he wouldn't flip that way. Who the hell has a self-directed kill? I'm suspicious.
Post by: Tiruin on September 25, 2014, 05:19:19 pm
NEGATIVITY.
Post by: notquitethere on September 25, 2014, 05:30:12 pm
Post by: Persus13 on September 26, 2014, 11:30:41 am
Pretty sure someone mentioned sending role in that had a self-targeting day kill.What are your thoughts on TDS?Not pressing an alternative case to his own lynch is eyebrow raising at the least, and one wonders whether he killed himself (or had a team-mate kill him) knowing he wouldn't flip that way. Who the hell has a self-directed kill? I'm suspicious.
I have a role ability that let's me vote at night and it gets counted as the only vote when a day is skipped, so I'm willing to use it to lynch someone the town picks.
Testing:
No Lynch, No Lynch, TheWetSheep
Post by: flabort on September 27, 2014, 12:53:51 am
In other words, the night is getting extended into the weekend; Please let me know (either here or in a quicktopic) whether you want the night to end mid-weekend, or to wait until monday.
Post by: Varee on September 27, 2014, 01:02:27 am
Post by: TolyK on September 27, 2014, 03:37:13 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 27, 2014, 04:49:37 am
Post by: TolyK on September 27, 2014, 05:17:49 am
In case of naysayers, I'd like to point out that night 3 will end after the weekend anyways. The only people who should be saying no are slowpokes and scum. :p
Also...
:p
Post by: Tiruin on September 27, 2014, 07:38:40 am
Err, wait. The day is skipped? We just had a lynch and it is night...not day.Pretty sure someone mentioned sending role in that had a self-targeting day kill.What are your thoughts on TDS?Not pressing an alternative case to his own lynch is eyebrow raising at the least, and one wonders whether he killed himself (or had a team-mate kill him) knowing he wouldn't flip that way. Who the hell has a self-directed kill? I'm suspicious.
I have a role ability that let's me vote at night and it gets counted as the only vote when a day is skipped, so I'm willing to use it to lynch someone the town picks.
Testing:
No Lynch, No Lynch, TheWetSheep
+1 for asapWhy so o_O
Post by: notquitethere on September 27, 2014, 07:50:35 am
Tiruin
Err, wait. The day is skipped? We just had a lynch and it is night...not day.Yes, and there'll be two nights in a row: the next day will be skipped.
Post by: GayArchaea on September 27, 2014, 11:14:44 am
I have a most wonderful ability. It skips a day when I'm dead.Err, wait. The day is skipped? We just had a lynch and it is night...not dayPretty sure someone mentioned sending role in that had a self-targeting day kill.What are your thoughts on TDS?Not pressing an alternative case to his own lynch is eyebrow raising at the least, and one wonders whether he killed himself (or had a team-mate kill him) knowing he wouldn't flip that way. Who the hell has a self-directed kill? I'm suspicious.
I have a role ability that let's me vote at night and it gets counted as the only vote when a day is skipped, so I'm willing to use it to lynch someone the town picks.
Testing:
No Lynch, No Lynch, TheWetSheep
Post by: flabort on September 27, 2014, 11:38:48 am
Jack A T leads the group of players into the back-of-store, looking for a fuse box. The store continues to keep getting darker, and his flashlight starts to dim as the batteries fail.
The flashlight goes out suddenly, and he stumbles and hits his head. He reaches and grabs the thing he hit his head on... it's the fuse box!
He flips a switch, and the store's lights come on, revealing an axe that is flying right for his face!
Jack A T has died in the night. He was Town.
Mastahcheese has died. Mastahcheese has revived. Mastahcheese has died. Mastahcheese has revived.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Day 3 begins.
The players find and discover the body of Jack, and drag him out into the front of the store. They start gathering materials to make a fire again, but this time as a funeral pyre for those who have fallen so far. The fire is lit, and everyone stands in a respectful line, when one person steps out of the line and the lights go out again. Somebody is pushed, and their face is briefly lit up before the flames consume it.
Votecount:
TheWetSheep (1) - Persus13
No Lynch (2) - Persus13, Persus13
TheDarkStar has revived!
Varee has died! He was a Martyr!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Day 3 ends, Night 3 begins and will end Tuesday, September 30th, around 7:00 Alberta Time
Nobody can remember where Jack found that fuse box...
Post by: flabort on September 27, 2014, 12:54:55 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 27, 2014, 04:41:29 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 27, 2014, 04:42:22 pm
Post by: Tiruin on September 27, 2014, 04:48:30 pm
Post by: flabort on September 28, 2014, 01:39:31 pm
Post by: flabort on September 30, 2014, 09:35:17 pm
Night 3 ends
Light is returned to the store in the form of a glowing figure, a person being converted into solid light. SuperBlackCat smiles as he slowly turns into a pillar of serene grace. The look is suddenly transformed into pain, though, as he starts changing faster, and faster. Everyone can feel a portion of their power slip away, absorbed into SuperBlackCat, and somebody stabs him in order to try and stop it, but it's too late; their suddenly materialized sword slips right through. Nobody identifies the attacker.
The transformation completes, and the glowing figure of SuperBlackCat remains there, in the middle of the room, brightening it substantially.
Spoiler: Roleflip (click to show/hide)
Post by: flabort on September 30, 2014, 09:46:07 pm
Spoiler: Darkling (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Non-Darkling (click to show/hide)
Day 4 begins and will end Friday, 7:00 Alberta Time, with a likely extension due to SMASH BROS 3DS RELEASE (Approximately 72 or more hours from now)
Post by: zombie urist on September 30, 2014, 09:54:12 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 30, 2014, 10:05:42 pm
What were people's results last night?
Any suggestions for who I should invite to play?
Did anything else interesting happen last night?
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 30, 2014, 10:06:22 pm
Any suggestions for who I should invite to play?
Actually, I'm thinking about inviting ZU. Should I do it?
Post by: flabort on September 30, 2014, 10:56:38 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on September 30, 2014, 11:40:31 pm
Post by: zombie urist on September 30, 2014, 11:45:50 pm
Post by: TolyK on September 30, 2014, 11:58:32 pm
So. Who's scum?
Post by: Cheeetar on October 01, 2014, 12:08:17 am
Vote TolyK.
Post by: TolyK on October 01, 2014, 01:01:35 am
But I meant in-game...
Post by: Tiruin on October 01, 2014, 01:23:39 am
Mastahcheese and Persus have no votes, while Tiruin has 3. Votestealing?I originally had 3, handsome :v
What were people's results last night?
Any suggestions for who I should invite to play?
Did anything else interesting happen last night?
Someone stole my votes in the last 2 days. Including that one day where people had +1 to votes.
ALSO WHY IS NOBODY VOTING IN LIME GREEN? ISN'T THIS COLOR DANDY?
TiruinYOUR LURKERTRACKER IS AWESOME, AND YOUR SHOE IS UNTIED.
Hmm.You're quite the lazy apple, TolyK.
So. Who's scum?
Post by: zombie urist on October 01, 2014, 01:50:21 am
Post by: TolyK on October 01, 2014, 02:46:41 am
No, U are.
But scum is most likely TWS.
But how do U know?
Elementary, Ur dear Watson. It's due to due to information taken this night.
Post by: Tiruin on October 01, 2014, 03:09:50 am
IT WOULD HURT.
Because you're the lazy one with your RP...could you please make it direct on what you're saying?!
No, I'm the lazy one.Why isn't this your first post of the day?
No, U are.
But scum is most likely TWS.
But how do U know?
Elementary, Ur dear Watson. It's due to due to information taken this night.
Next:
Quote from: Translation
Scum is most likely TWS due to information taken this night....'This' night? You do mean last night, right? :v
Post by: TolyK on October 01, 2014, 06:51:50 am
Very suspicious, that fellow...
Quite. Very suspicious happenings.
I'll say more when I get confirmation.
Post by: GayArchaea on October 01, 2014, 07:12:47 am
Toaster: How much effort will you put into killing 3rd parties/town with alternate wincons?TheWetSheep, how did thou know about such as a town with alternate wincons?
Thou either must be a Hybrid Town, or Scum.
Post by: flabort on October 01, 2014, 07:51:39 am
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Spoiler: Non-Darkling (click to show/hide)
Day will end Friday, 7:00 Alberta Time, with a likely extension due to SMASH BROS 3DS RELEASE (Approximately 60 or more hours from now)
Post by: mastahcheese on October 01, 2014, 08:14:40 am
Inspect says that Persus13 is town, and TheDarkStar is a serial killer.
The saints that informed me sounded drunk, but I suspect that's flavor.
Post by: TolyK on October 01, 2014, 08:55:23 am
And hmm. If TDS is indeed an SK, I think I know how everyone can win.
Because currently TDS can't win, in that case. :D
Post by: Shakerag on October 01, 2014, 08:57:48 am
Give new Power
Post by: Tiruin on October 01, 2014, 10:21:28 am
Someone stole my powers.
Well, someone kept stealing and giving me powers so >_>
But!
Yo.There's no way I can confirm this at all because SOMEONE exchanged(?) that single power for...that stoopid goo. >:I
Inspect says that Persus13 is town, and TheDarkStar is a serial killer.
The saints that informed me sounded drunk, but I suspect that's flavor.
I DISLIKE GOOS. IT REMINDS ME OF KING OF THE MAFIA. AND AMORPHOUS SINGLE-CELLED ORGANISMS DESPITE THIS BEING SILLY. AND WET CHEESE.
:(
Also those things are most likely flavor--because the saints were silly to me pretty much (but keep it as a note ahead).
TheWetSheepErr ._.
Give new Power
So that's 1 vote for Tiruin, to gain a new power.
...Riiiight.
@ZU: You can't pick a person in Limegreen, just the power you'd like to give. That power is then acted on by the one who has the rule attached as an ability.
Post by: TolyK on October 01, 2014, 10:33:17 am
Heh. I guess he is.
What luck, ol' chap!
Also, have fun with the anti-power, non-Tiruin. Hehehe. I got an anti-power stolen. Hehehehe.
Post by: Persus13 on October 01, 2014, 11:26:24 am
Yo.How reliable is this information?
Inspect says that Persus13 is town, and TheDarkStar is a serial killer.
The saints that informed me sounded drunk, but I suspect that's flavor.
Anyway, so today we have 4 anti-town left (possibly three, if TDS and TolyK are evil), so today might be LyLo? So we need to do some stuff.
Mastahcheese
Notquitethere
Persus13
TheDarkStar
TheWetSheep
Tiruin
TolyK
I know I'm town, and Masthcheese says NQT is town. TolyK claims TWS is bad, and MC says TDS is an SK
Mastahcheese, were your inspects on me, TDS, or NQT infallible?
Post by: TolyK on October 01, 2014, 11:32:57 am
Heh.
Saints Row.
Hehe. Loved that game.
Post by: mastahcheese on October 01, 2014, 12:24:04 pm
Post by: Tiruin on October 01, 2014, 12:34:53 pm
OFF WITH THE JOKER'S HEAD! HE IS FUNNY!
Because TDS is pretty much confirmed innocent. Or at least as innocent as a brother is.
The ones on Persus and NQT were through the infalable inspect, the one on TDS was not, I just realized that. That one was by my wincon-inspect power, which is not infallable.Really? Weird.
Because I got it as a confirmed hit here-well, actually on TolyK. I met the saints, and somehow directed them to that whom they actually called them.
Yet still got TolyK being the brother of TDS.
Let's see. I'll be full=action claiming. And that all actions not mentioned under N are Day ones.
N1: That Limegreen power failed. I targeted SBC with it.
Also I learned MC's alignment was 'Troll'
D2? TolyK > Bro of TDS
N2: I lost 2 roles, gained Shakerag and 4maskwolf.
N3: Lost Shakerag & 4maskwolf, as well as that one ability being replaced with stoopid goo power.
+ TolyK x2, why give me that stoopid goo power?! I mean sure, its a random power, and replaces that power with that goo power but why target me? :I
I also recall there was an inspect D1 @SBC, confirming him as town (yeah take that :I Nobody protected the confirmed person!?)
...There's no other mention of an inspect in my box there though other than the ones given.
Post by: mastahcheese on October 01, 2014, 12:38:53 pm
Post by: Tiruin on October 01, 2014, 12:40:10 pm
So its either TWS or TolyK :OThere we go! Me messing up acronyms is fun.
OFF WITH THE JOKER'S HEAD! HE IS FUNNY!
Because TDS is pretty much confirmed innocent. Or at least as innocent as a brother is.The ones on Persus and NQT were through the infalable inspect, the one on TDS was not, I just realized that. That one was by my wincon-inspect power, which is not infallable.Really? Weird.
Because I got it as a confirmed hit here-well, actually on TolyK. I met the saints, and somehow directed them to that whom they actually called them.
Yet still got TolyK being the brother of TDS.
Let's see. I'll be full=action claiming. And that all actions not mentioned under N are Day ones.
N1: That Limegreen power failed. I targeted SBC with it.
Also I learned MC's alignment was 'Troll'
D2? TolyK > Bro of TDS
N2: I lost 2 roles, gained Shakerag and 4maskwolf.
N3: Lost Shakerag & 4maskwolf, as well as that one ability being replaced with stoopid goo power.
+ TolyK x2, why give me that stoopid goo power?! I mean sure, its a random power, and replaces that power with that goo power but why target me? :I
I also recall there was an inspect D1 @SBC, confirming him as town (yeah take that :I Nobody protected the confirmed person!?)
...There's no other mention of an inspect in my box there though other than the ones given.
So!
...How is being a brother to an SK work?
Post by: Tiruin on October 01, 2014, 12:44:25 pm
mastahcheese: Invoke TolyK. I believe given his snide(?) remark, he has my power in exchange for the goo.
Hold on. Is the person who allows non-players to play still alive?Lies. I do not have an anti-power.
Heh. I guess he is.
What luck, ol' chap!
Also, have fun with the anti-power, non-Tiruin. Hehehe. I got an anti-power stolen. Hehehehe.
Also this way you RP is annoying. >_> Or just me reading the 'hehehehe' in a very trolling way.
Post by: mastahcheese on October 01, 2014, 12:46:50 pm
mastahcheese: Invoke TolyK. I believe given his snide(?) remark, he has my power in exchange for the goo.o_O
Opo! >:D
Post by: Tiruin on October 01, 2014, 12:53:09 pm
Translation: Yes.
...Also was Invoke being a power? Strange.
I took it upon myself to hit SBC with a watch power, to see if anyone would go after them, but the trolling prevented any use from that.How is this related, though? If seeing others as Troll is something of mention, I'm not seeing any connection.
Yes, but someone else learned that Persus is third party.This feels like your crazy plans again @_@ They're nice, and awesome, but silly at times.
And hmm. If TDS is indeed an SK, I think I know how everyone can win.
Because currently TDS can't win, in that case. :D
Especially THESE times! :I
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Alignment: SK
Wincon: You win when all other players are dead.
Alignment: Brother
Wincon: You win when [player_name] wins.
Right, if we're to assume a scumteam, then the inspects on NQT (and everyone other than TOlyK//SBC?) may be flawed.
...Or we're facing one hell of an SK given how:
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4maskwolf Brother-AllyThis exists.
Varee --Martyr
Jack A T --Town
Urist Imiknorris --Obscured roleflip
Superblackcat --Town
GayArchaea Hybrid --Town
Toaster --Obscured roleflip
PS: TDS says he killed himself in that one quicktopic. Anyone got any idea on what's up?
Oh, and Varee's win was of something he stole.
Post by: zombie urist on October 01, 2014, 02:29:52 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 01, 2014, 02:53:30 pm
Neither did U.
I also had powers taken from me, but they were useless and/or detrimental, so I'm glad they're gone.
I tried to inspect Cheese - do you have a certain cutting object, per chance?
And actually I think I know who stole mah stuff. But again, waiting for conformation.
Post by: flabort on October 01, 2014, 06:19:08 pm
Votecount
Mastahcheese (0) -
Notquitethere (0) -
Persus13 (0) -
TheDarkStar (1) - #Zombie Urist#
TheWetSheep (3) - TolyK, GayArchaea, #Shakerag#
*Tiruin (0) -
TolyK (4) - Tiruin, #Cheeetar#, Tiruin, Tiruin
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting: 4maskwolf, Notquitethere, TheDarkStar, TheWetSheep
Green votes:
New power: Shakerag
Inspect:
Protect: Zombie Urist[/spoiler]
(* = used 1 extension, 1 remaining; **=used both extensions; =used neither extension, 2 remaining)
Day will end Friday, 7:00 Alberta Time, with a likely extension due to SMASH BROS 3DS RELEASE (Approximately 48 or more hours from now)
Post by: Cheeetar on October 01, 2014, 06:38:56 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 01, 2014, 08:57:29 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 01, 2014, 09:10:46 pm
Yo.
Inspect says that Persus13 is town, and TheDarkStar is a serial killer.
The saints that informed me sounded drunk, but I suspect that's flavor.
Your inspect on me is probably flawed, since I have the Hitler's Mustache role (it messes up inspects on me).
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 01, 2014, 09:11:50 pm
I did not take your power, Tiruin.
Neither did U.
I also had powers taken from me, but they were useless and/or detrimental, so I'm glad they're gone.
I tried to inspect Cheese - do you have a certain cutting object, per chance?
And actually I think I know who stole mah stuff. But again, waiting for conformation.
I can confirm that the goo power is not exchanged; it simply replaces a power. Also, someone else either started with it or copied my role N1, because I didn't ever give TolyK that power. I targeted 4mask N1 and was dead the next night, but it was already spreading by then.
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 01, 2014, 09:12:24 pm
Yo.
Inspect says that Persus13 is town, and TheDarkStar is a serial killer.
The saints that informed me sounded drunk, but I suspect that's flavor.
Your inspect on me is probably flawed, since I have the Hitler's Mustache role (it messes up inspects on me).
I meant to quote this post:
The ones on Persus and NQT were through the infalable inspect, the one on TDS was not, I just realized that. That one was by my wincon-inspect power, which is not infallable.
Post by: TheWetSheep on October 01, 2014, 09:59:59 pm
GayArchaea:
I actually answered this a while back. Here, to be exact. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142803.msg5649538#msg5649538)Toaster: How much effort will you put into killing 3rd parties/town with alternate wincons?TheWetSheep, how did thou know about such as a town with alternate wincons?
Thou either must be a Hybrid Town, or Scum.
TolyK: Elaborate on why I'm scum, and why you haven't been forthcoming with how you know. Also, I'm assuming your posting style comes from a role based on UI, which should have disappeared after SBC's death. Is this right?
Post by: TolyK on October 01, 2014, 11:24:50 pm
No, it isn't based on UI.
U-nity
I-n I-nterface
Hold on. Why should a Urist-based role have disappeared after SBC died?
Post by: GayArchaea on October 02, 2014, 06:33:58 am
HmmI did answer this a while back, with a yes. Anyways, notquitethere, please do tell all of us your theory.
Do you think TDS will die in the night now? I wouldn't mind if he did.
Gay Archaea, I've got a theory... was Chemical Concoction a power that was added to 'Toaster' mid-way through the game?
Post by: Persus13 on October 02, 2014, 10:42:00 am
TolyK: Elaborate on why I'm scum, and why you haven't been forthcoming with how you know. Also, I'm assuming your posting style comes from a role based on UI, which should have disappeared after SBC's death. Is this right?How come you suddenly have a vote now? Does this have anything to do with my lack of a vote?
Hold on. Why should a Urist-based role have disappeared after SBC died?Because SBC had the role Bay12Forums, which meant all Bay12 based roles disappeared last night.
Everyone: You all probably lost roles last night. Keep in mind that SBC had a role that destroys all Bay12 roles when he died. If its a bay12 role that you lost, no one stole it.
Post by: TolyK on October 02, 2014, 10:51:15 am
Then it's not as bad as I thought.
However...
Alright, I need to consolidate (:p) my info.
I'd unvote, but I really can't, sorry.
Post by: mastahcheese on October 02, 2014, 02:20:57 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 02, 2014, 02:50:06 pm
I touched Cheese.
...
That sounds weird.
Ooh, TolyK has cooties!
...
So, uh. Check the quicktopic, TDS, as asked by Jack.
Also, uh. This has been a clusterfuck.
Toaster has said he was town, right? I'm beginning to think this is a game of "wtf".
Where everyone wins.
Except me. And 4mask.
Post by: GayArchaea on October 02, 2014, 04:04:12 pm
Toaster has said he was town, right? I'm beginning to think this is a game of "wtf".TolyK, I think you made a mistake in that post. I've fixed it.
Where everyone wins.
Except me. And 4mask. And the ultimate failure, GayArchaea.
I would like to announce that the dead chat have been voting on who to kill:
The Vote Tally so far.
MastahCheese (1) 4maskwolf,
TheDarkStar (4) Urist Imiknorris, Jack A T, GayArchaea, Toaster,
Also, the one that is making the kill is Varee, guaranteed winner.
Post by: mastahcheese on October 02, 2014, 04:05:57 pm
Oh god this is just like the IlluminatiToaster has said he was town, right? I'm beginning to think this is a game of "wtf".TolyK, I think you made a mistake in that post. I've fixed it.
Where everyone wins.
Except me. And 4mask. And the ultimate failure, GayArchaea.
I would like to announce that the dead chat have been voting on who to kill:
The Vote Tally so far.
MastahCheese (1) 4maskwolf,
TheDarkStar (4) Urist Imiknorris, Jack A T, GayArchaea, Toaster,
Also, the one that is making the kill is Varee, guaranteed winner.
People in secret taking votes on who to assassinate
They control everything
We have no power
Post by: TolyK on October 02, 2014, 04:09:28 pm
it had to be done
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 02, 2014, 06:15:44 pm
HmmI did answer this a while back, with a yes.
Do you think TDS will die in the night now? I wouldn't mind if he did.
Gay Archaea, I've got a theory... was Chemical Concoction a power that was added to 'Toaster' mid-way through the game?
Which one did you answer? I see two questions.
Everyone: I plan to invite Zombie Urist to the game. Does anyone have anything to say about that? If he doesn't want to join, I lose it (it's one-shot).
Post by: zombie urist on October 02, 2014, 06:20:34 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 02, 2014, 06:45:35 pm
I don't want to join and I really don't have time.
OK then. Good thing I didn't use my power.
Post by: flabort on October 02, 2014, 06:46:25 pm
Mastahcheese (1) - 4maskwolf
Notquitethere (1) - GayArchaea
Persus13 (0) -
TheDarkStar (1) - #Zombie Urist#
TheWetSheep (2) - TolyK, #Shakerag#
*Tiruin (0) -
TolyK (4) - Tiruin, #Cheeetar#, Tiruin, Tiruin, TheWetSheep
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting: Notquitethere, TheDarkStar
Green votes:
New power: Shakerag, Cheeetar
Inspect:
Protect: Zombie Urist
Day ends October 3, 7:00 Alberta time (approximately 25 hours from this post)
Post by: GayArchaea on October 02, 2014, 07:05:57 pm
The one that was specifically addressed to me. I didn't actually answer the first one.HmmI did answer this a while back, with a yes.
Do you think TDS will die in the night now? I wouldn't mind if he did.
Gay Archaea, I've got a theory... was Chemical Concoction a power that was added to 'Toaster' mid-way through the game?
Which one did you answer? I see two questions.
Post by: TheWetSheep on October 03, 2014, 09:34:21 am
Who has the Non-Citizen and Civilian roles?
I've got an ability that allows me to swap one of my roles for a random role my target has. I used this the last two nights. Two nights ago, I gave TolyK Non-Citizen, which makes the owner unable to vote. In return I got The Goudge Inquiry, which gives me a list of who targets who each night, the list including roughly 1/3 of all actions that night.
Last night, I gave Persus13 Civilian, which allows me to talk at night. I got The FHPBYOR Role That Can Only Take Actions When Dead, which does exactly what it says it does. Autos are unaffected.
So TolyK, why can you vote?
No, it isn't based on UI.Is this what it's based on?
U-nity
I-n I-nterface
Quote
Hold on. Why should a Urist-based role have disappeared after SBC died?Because all Bay12er roles disappeared because of SBC's Bay12Forums role.
Post by: TolyK on October 03, 2014, 10:19:16 am
U dunno where the answer's waitin'
I dunno where the answer's waitin'
We dunno where the answer's waitin'
Eeeear-li in the morning!
I can vote because I didn't get that role. I didn't have the initial role, either, however I get your info from the Inquiry as well.
So... you can't action unless you die. Huh.
Also, I seem to only have 4 votes on me instead of the 5 it should be. Flabort, is this a typo?
Post by: Persus13 on October 03, 2014, 10:26:13 am
Who has the Non-Citizen and Civilian roles?I got Non-citizen Night 2 and I previously had the Goudge inquiry until then. I believe I've mentioned this in the family chat. I did not get civilian, and I did not have the role you got last night.
I've got an ability that allows me to swap one of my roles for a random role my target has. I used this the last two nights. Two nights ago, I gave TolyK Non-Citizen, which makes the owner unable to vote. In return I got The Goudge Inquiry, which gives me a list of who targets who each night, the list including roughly 1/3 of all actions that night.
Last night, I gave Persus13 Civilian, which allows me to talk at night. I got The FHPBYOR Role That Can Only Take Actions When Dead, which does exactly what it says it does. Autos are unaffected.
So TolyK, why can you vote?
Post by: TolyK on October 03, 2014, 03:29:41 pm
If the day doesn't get mod-extended, please extend. I'm worried about not lynching my enemies more than lynching me.
Post by: notquitethere on October 03, 2014, 05:02:57 pm
TheDarkStarTheDarkStarTheDarkStarTheDarkStar
The dead are mostly confirmed town and I trust their collective judgement. No one vouches for you with an inspect and you've apparently got a 50/50 chance of being a serial killer, so my votes are one you.
What were people's results last night?All my plans came to naught.
GayArchaea
I did answer this a while back, with a yes. Anyways, notquitethere, please do tell all of us your theory.Yes, you answered in the post immediately afterwards. My theory was just that 'Chemical Concoction' didn't fit the theme and so it, along with other powers, were ones given to players mid-game. Nothing ground-breaking.
There's a lot more digging I want to do, but shooting from the hip, I'd say TDS and Tiruin are the bad dudes.
Post by: GayArchaea on October 03, 2014, 06:30:31 pm
Persus13, It is entirely possible that you might just be a Serial Killer who would have not been able to kill while alive unless "The FHPBYOR Role That Can Only Take Actions When Dead" was taken away.
Last night, I gave Persus13 Civilian, which allows me to talk at night. I got The FHPBYOR Role That Can Only Take Actions When Dead, which does exactly what it says it does. Autos are unaffected.
Please do tell us when you got that role, and if you got it from someone who?
Post by: flabort on October 03, 2014, 06:48:11 pm
Mastahcheese (1) - 4maskwolf
Notquitethere (0) -
Persus13 (0) -
TheDarkStar (3) - #Zombie Urist#, Notquitethere, GayArchaea
TheWetSheep (2) - TolyK, #Shakerag#
*Tiruin (0) -
TolyK (4) - Tiruin, #Cheeetar#, Tiruin, Tiruin, TheWetSheep
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting: TheDarkStar
Green votes:
New power: Shakerag, Cheeetar
Inspect:
Protect: Zombie Urist
Day ends Today, 7:00, unless an extension is used (in 1 hour 12 minutes)
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 03, 2014, 07:04:46 pm
In which I'm high pitched in green
TheDarkStarTheDarkStarTheDarkStarTheDarkStar
The dead are mostly confirmed town and I trust their collective judgement. No one vouches for you with an inspect and you've apparently got a 50/50 chance of being a serial killer, so my votes are one you.What were people's results last night?All my plans came to naught.
GayArchaeaI did answer this a while back, with a yes. Anyways, notquitethere, please do tell all of us your theory.Yes, you answered in the post immediately afterwards. My theory was just that 'Chemical Concoction' didn't fit the theme and so it, along with other powers, were ones given to players mid-game. Nothing ground-breaking.
There's a lot more digging I want to do, but shooting from the hip, I'd say TDS and Tiruin are the bad dudes.
An inspect that is correct 50% of the time isn't particularly trustworthy. Actually, because it didn't return something silly like Hitler, it didn't work (I recently got the Hitler's Mustache role, which messes up inspects on me; see family chat).
Why do you think that I'm scum? Same goes for Tiruin; you didn't support that at all. What makes you think me or Tiruin is scummy? Why does it make you think that?
Post by: GayArchaea on October 03, 2014, 07:48:16 pm
Tiruin (2) Jack A T, 4maskwolf,
TheDarkStar (3) Urist Imiknorris, GayArchaea, Toaster,
I would like to mention that the kill will come at an unknown date.
And the main reason why Tiruin is being picked is because of one of her role powers.
For the health and safety of everyone, town and scum. I would highly advise lynching Tiruin.
Post by: GayArchaea on October 03, 2014, 07:51:46 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 03, 2014, 07:53:32 pm
Vote tally so far for the dead:
Tiruin (2) Jack A T, 4maskwolf,
TheDarkStar (3) Urist Imiknorris, GayArchaea, Toaster,
I would like to mention that the kill will come at an unknown date.
And the main reason why Tiruin is being picked is because of one of her role powers.
For the health and safety of everyone, town and scum. I would highly advise lynching Tiruin.
Tiruin, then. Can you give us any more details of why?
Post by: GayArchaea on October 03, 2014, 08:01:42 pm
Only because 6 kills will be bounced back to random people. So, if you want to live, do lynch Tiruin.Vote tally so far for the dead:
Tiruin (2) Jack A T, 4maskwolf,
TheDarkStar (3) Urist Imiknorris, GayArchaea, Toaster,
I would like to mention that the kill will come at an unknown date.
And the main reason why Tiruin is being picked is because of one of her role powers.
For the health and safety of everyone, town and scum. I would highly advise lynching Tiruin.
Tiruin, then. Can you give us any more details of why?
Post by: flabort on October 03, 2014, 08:11:13 pm
Mastahcheese (1) - 4maskwolf
Notquitethere (0) -
Persus13 (0) -
TheDarkStar (3) - #Zombie Urist#, Notquitethere, GayArchaea
TheWetSheep (2) - TolyK, #Shakerag#
*Tiruin (1) - TheDarkStar
TolyK (4) - Tiruin, #Cheeetar#, Tiruin, Tiruin, TheWetSheep
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting:
Green votes:
New power: Shakerag, Cheeetar
Inspect:
Protect: Zombie Urist
(*=Used 1/2 extends)
Day 4 ends
The players pool their magic power from their stones, and produce a massive glowing spear. Nobody wants to be the single person to use it, but instead, all heave in into TolyK's chest as one.
He looks at his chest, shrugs, and says "Nope".
The spear disappears, and he wanders away to use the washroom.
Nobody was lynched.
Night 4 begins and will end Tuesday, October 7th, 7:00 Alberta Time
Post by: Tiruin on October 03, 2014, 09:37:26 pm
First of all, I don't have a mutually hated power. No Shakeragian role as it was stolen-(ish?) from me in the last nights.
Next, if you're going to implicate someone with such audacity yet with such vague animosity without presenting a case yourselves--despite your words being very pertinent to a case in itself, I'd suggest you actually THINK before you start going down a person's spine.
I'm sick and pretty much in pain here yet I am very annoyed at y'all there.
As to why, WHAT!? That I'll defend myself based on my role power 'for the health and safety of everyone, town and scum'?Only because 6 kills will be bounced back to random people. So, if you want to live, do lynch Tiruin.Vote tally so far for the dead:
Tiruin (2) Jack A T, 4maskwolf,
TheDarkStar (3) Urist Imiknorris, GayArchaea, Toaster,
I would like to mention that the kill will come at an unknown date.
And the main reason why Tiruin is being picked is because of one of her role powers.
For the health and safety of everyone, town and scum. I would highly advise lynching Tiruin.
Tiruin, then. Can you give us any more details of why?
Seems to me, dead people, that you've a mole in your graves.
Oh, PS, since its night--I'm the ruler with the lime green rule, and I'd like a consensus decision on who gets this new power.
Next, I'd like to punch GA for being a bad medium. I mean seriously, for a newbie, you're being vaguely hostile for whatever reason there? It's like you're acting as a speaker for one direct person than a consensus in the dead.
I'd like a direct case from you people instead of this mudslinging--I've had enough of that in my past days, thank you very much.
Post by: Tiruin on October 04, 2014, 12:47:12 am
OH, You mean 'Grass'! >_>Only because 6 kills will be bounced back to random people. So, if you want to live, do lynch Tiruin.Vote tally so far for the dead:
Tiruin (2) Jack A T, 4maskwolf,
TheDarkStar (3) Urist Imiknorris, GayArchaea, Toaster,
I would like to mention that the kill will come at an unknown date.
And the main reason why Tiruin is being picked is because of one of her role powers.
For the health and safety of everyone, town and scum. I would highly advise lynching Tiruin.
Tiruin, then. Can you give us any more details of why?
You seriously had to go off and be passive aggressive and *wavy wavy hand* for THAT!?
...GA, you could please take a note in finery and conciseness from the dead people? That'd help a lot.
Anyway I read-back and missed that post above. Yeah, that's the thing with the role-stealing(?) idea I've got. I lost Grass and that other role on N2 :v
That's when I gained the B12 roles (seemingly in their stead...)
Why I say stealing with a (?) is because those roles are 'lost' from me. And I seemingly gained roles in their replacement (slot?)
Post by: Persus13 on October 04, 2014, 02:39:09 pm
Read the thread, being dead is no excuse. I already stated that I didn't get civilian N3, but got non-citizen N2. As for it's entirely possible for me to be the SK but couldn't take actions, just cause it's possible for something to be true doesn't mean it is possible. When voting you need to have good evidence to back up your claim (also Tiruin claimed to have gotten civilian N3).Persus13, It is entirely possible that you might just be a Serial Killer who would have not been able to kill while alive unless "The FHPBYOR Role That Can Only Take Actions When Dead" was taken away.
Last night, I gave Persus13 Civilian, which allows me to talk at night. I got The FHPBYOR Role That Can Only Take Actions When Dead, which does exactly what it says it does. Autos are unaffected.
Please do tell us when you got that role, and if you got it from someone who?
Post by: Tiruin on October 04, 2014, 11:10:50 pm
Because seeing that Jackchat, it seems you're responsible for Grass in some way?
Post by: Tiruin on October 06, 2014, 07:09:59 pm
C'mon NQT. Talk up. Just because YOU have Grass (as said in Jackchat) doesn't mean you won't talk about it here instead.
What happened and why.
Post by: flabort on October 07, 2014, 08:40:40 pm
Post by: Tiruin on October 07, 2014, 09:11:08 pm
I liked talking to myself during the night, by the way. Also hi Persus. >_>
That was a productive night...
Post by: flabort on October 07, 2014, 09:27:50 pm
Everyone runs to get into the brightly lit storefront, only to find that there are only... only... well, everyone is not an accurate term. Two people run into the storefront. They look behind them, and agree that the screams could only be the deaths of their fellow players. In fact... they recall the rules of the game that they were playing, and feel the stones they hold reacting. A shimmering barrier, around the massive stack of cards (and presumably more of these magic stones), and shatters; then another breaks, and another. The two of them pick up some of the boxes, and start opening them up. They realize that the door to the store has swung open.
The long night is over.
They stop to repay their respects to the fallen players, and then leave.
Everybody except NQT died! Mastahcheese revived! Mastahcheese died! Mastahcheese revived!
Town Victory
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And the two remaining players:
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List of actions taken, and most of the results:
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Link to all original roles (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F2IWU8hwCD0JJF_PbC1S3iqmJ_TvfQd6z9dmlkazXx8/edit?usp=sharing)
Scum Chat link (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/nTTeKGY6xcvBw)
Deadchat link (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/UChxbSMNdgdcq)
Happy Family Chat link (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/kqi7Kwmqmn6k)
Post by: Tiruin on October 07, 2014, 09:29:37 pm
Did I kill TWS though? :D
Can we know UI/Toaster's roles?
Edit: OH YEAAAH XD
I correctly guessed everything you had of mine, MC! xD
Also great flavor Flabort! :) (to clarify: I'm only bitter about being Goo'd. I hate goos. >:I, wherein the only role I lost [Joan of Arc] is fully viewed under Mastahcheese's SOmeone Else's Role)
Post by: flabort on October 07, 2014, 09:31:41 pm
At time of roleflip:
Can we know UI/Toaster's roles?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Tiruin on October 07, 2014, 09:33:37 pm
Knew it Toaster~ :P
I like that TolyK didn't get Completely ScrewedTM
Post by: Toaster on October 07, 2014, 09:36:12 pm
Oh well! Interesting game, and I'd probably !in another!
Post by: GayArchaea on October 07, 2014, 10:01:51 pm
Also, The mafia was smaller than the serial killer's team.
Good thing I died killing scum, (though it's only apparent in hindsight)
Post by: Jack A T on October 07, 2014, 10:03:21 pm
EDIT:
TGrass activates! Targets are Jack, Cheese, Persus, The Wet Sheep, TolyK, Varee. TGrass activates! Targets are Jack, Cheese, Persus, SBC, TolyK, Varee.
JGrass activate! Targets are SBC, TWS, NQT, Tiruin, Persus, Varee. JGrass Activates! Targets are SBC, TWS, Varee, Tiruin, NQT, Persus.
TGrass activates! Targets are Varee, Jack, Persus, NQT, MC, TolyK. TGrass activates! Targets are Varee, TolyK, SBC, TWS, NQT, Persus.
JGrass Activates! Targets are SBC, Persus, TolyK, NQT, Cheese, TWS.
Post by: Jack A T on October 07, 2014, 10:11:29 pm
Post by: flabort on October 07, 2014, 10:14:30 pm
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F2IWU8hwCD0JJF_PbC1S3iqmJ_TvfQd6z9dmlkazXx8/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F2IWU8hwCD0JJF_PbC1S3iqmJ_TvfQd6z9dmlkazXx8/edit?usp=sharing)
But that would take some time. Precisely 3 hours and 42 minutes if there are no IRL interruptions, in fact. Er... subtracting time to not include those comments on the roles.... Meh. 3 hours.
Too much work for tonight, but maybe later.
Post by: Jack A T on October 07, 2014, 10:15:28 pm
I could recompile them from this list that I linked in the ending of night post:Ah, sorry, missed that link. Thanks.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets
(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F2IWU8hwCD0JJF_PbC1S3iqmJ_TvfQd6z9dmlkazXx8/edit?usp=sharing)
Post by: Toaster on October 07, 2014, 10:16:01 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I hope you enjoy this, I will.For the record, my role was awesome; Stoke Shakeforge is the best rolename ever.
Post by: zombie urist on October 07, 2014, 10:23:05 pm
This is the best wincon.and you have collected 15 liquid Shakerags.
Post by: TolyK on October 07, 2014, 11:02:38 pm
I should've used unpredictable last night to have possibly survived a mass-arson...
At least I died being normal and not Completely ScrewedTM.
Ppe bah Tiruin joked before me.
And I knew it all. At lest I guessed.
I really had no choice but to act as an SK except to TDS, and I thought TWS was scum, and Toaster role flip YEP I GUESSED THAT TOO and crap I died around seven or eight times last night xD
Post by: TolyK on October 07, 2014, 11:12:10 pm
Spoiler: Initial role (click to show/hide)
Final role:
Spoiler: Final role (click to show/hide)
My only complaint was that I want unkillable enough. :p
I sent that in with the hope I could perpetually screw with others without ever dying, balanced by the fact that I can't really win. That's almost what happened, especially day 1. XD
Gg.
TDS, what were your thoughts this game?
Also, second scum team incognito yeah!
Post by: Tiruin on October 08, 2014, 12:48:45 am
Spoiler: Initial Role (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Final Role (click to show/hide)
Edit @MC: Now do you understand why I giggled (I don't actually do this IRL ._.) at my guess of your powers related to me? :P
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 08, 2014, 01:08:30 am
So anyway, how was TolyK supposed to lose his ability?
Post by: TolyK on October 08, 2014, 02:00:44 am
Or having it stolen. That would be more funny. :D
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 08, 2014, 02:16:51 am
Post by: TolyK on October 08, 2014, 02:50:31 am
:p
Post by: TolyK on October 08, 2014, 02:51:57 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 08, 2014, 06:41:23 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 08, 2014, 06:52:26 am
Spoiler: My Original Roles (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Final Roles (click to show/hide)
Every night I was swapping out useless powers and replacing them with more Jack A Ts, until Jack's death where his mass targeting swapped out a whole bunch of my powers for his, then I focused on defence and I got Urist Imiknorris's Stonehenge power (getting rid of the crime prevention role that prevented more than one kill from happening a night). When SuperBlackCat was killed and I lost all my Bay12 roles, I decided to go all out and murder all my suspects.
Post by: Tiruin on October 08, 2014, 07:38:15 am
Every night I was swapping out useless powers and replacing them with more Jack A Ts, until Jack's death where his mass targeting swapped out a whole bunch of my powers for his, then I focused on defence and I got Urist Imiknorris's Stonehenge power (getting rid of the crime prevention role that prevented more than one kill from happening a night). When SuperBlackCat was killed and I lost all my Bay12 roles, I decided to go all out and murder all my suspects.Thanks for stabbing my fess. :I
You silly. :P
Oh, and clarification. The 'negativity' thing? It was more of an...idea to somehow attract someone to kill me given that one role that didn't let me act at all.
I just discovered that I can't do real mean evil negativity. That intentionally lacks commas.
Until this last night. Because it was somehow removed.
Post by: mastahcheese on October 08, 2014, 08:10:00 am
It was funny because I got one of those pre-game PMs, asking who I wanted to target, and I targeted you.
But that one power... You are too clever for this, Tiru.
And FUCK YEAH! I was half expecting you to be secretly scum, and we'd be in the reverse situation as Semester with Love. :P Glad we were actually on the same team.
Also, I decided that if I didn't catch scum with my inspects last night, I was going to go on a killing spree because I was getting tired of it.
I'm glad I waited that day.
Post by: Tiruin on October 08, 2014, 08:15:56 am
I could recompile them from this list that I linked in the ending of night post:What would the Homestuck [keys] role have done to anyone?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F2IWU8hwCD0JJF_PbC1S3iqmJ_TvfQd6z9dmlkazXx8/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F2IWU8hwCD0JJF_PbC1S3iqmJ_TvfQd6z9dmlkazXx8/edit?usp=sharing)
But that would take some time. Precisely 3 hours and 42 minutes if there are no IRL interruptions, in fact. Er... subtracting time to not include those comments on the roles.... Meh. 3 hours.
Too much work for tonight, but maybe later.
Also woah, someone submitted me as a role ._.
thanks
@Tiruin: Yes, I know exactly why you were giggling at that.I didn't pick those roles, kuya. :P
It was funny because I got one of those pre-game PMs, asking who I wanted to target, and I targeted you.
But that one power... You are too clever for this, Tiru.
And FUCK YEAH! I was half expecting you to be secretly scum, and we'd be in the reverse situation as Semester with Love. :P Glad we were actually on the same team.
Also, I decided that if I didn't catch scum with my inspects last night, I was going to go on a killing spree because I was getting tired of it.
I'm glad I waited that day.
Flabort did!~
Also hah, you were town! Like I guessed but my cynical voice said no, he's a scheming cat D:<
Post by: TolyK on October 08, 2014, 08:21:59 am
Post by: mastahcheese on October 08, 2014, 08:23:10 am
I didn't pick those roles, kuya. :PA gender-specific role sounds exactly like the sort of thing you'd come up with. :P You have to admit that bit, at least.
Flabort did!~
Also hah, you were town! Like I guessed but my cynical voice said no, he's a scheming cat D:<
And exactly the sort of thing I'd end up copying off you. :P
Scheming cat is scheming, but not this time.
I should have made more Duke Nukem references.
*Tosses pipebomb at NQT*
Post by: Tiruin on October 08, 2014, 08:31:05 am
You so silly.I didn't pick those roles, kuya. :PA gender-specific role sounds exactly like the sort of thing you'd come up with. :P You have to admit that bit, at least.
Flabort did!~
Also hah, you were town! Like I guessed but my cynical voice said no, he's a scheming cat D:<
...No. Not really. xD
I just remember the people I..um, like. So I picked them as a role.
It was out of a hundred+ possible choices D:
I should have made more Duke Nukem references.Oh look on the bright side. You has a cat!
*Tosses pipebomb at NQT*
It seems to have confused us all on the nature of you revivifying!
Post by: flabort on October 08, 2014, 08:41:52 am
Also, Flabort, what would've happened if I had gotten the role "you win on day three"? XDIt would have been "Your role changes to martyr, and every other player kills you immediately"
Same thing, basically, as what happened to Mastahcheese during the final night: he would have gained an ability. Except, it would have been part of a role, and it would have been related to that role.I could recompile them from this list that I linked in the ending of night post:What would the Homestuck [keys] role have done to anyone?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F2IWU8hwCD0JJF_PbC1S3iqmJ_TvfQd6z9dmlkazXx8/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F2IWU8hwCD0JJF_PbC1S3iqmJ_TvfQd6z9dmlkazXx8/edit?usp=sharing)
But that would take some time. Precisely 3 hours and 42 minutes if there are no IRL interruptions, in fact. Er... subtracting time to not include those comments on the roles.... Meh. 3 hours.
Too much work for tonight, but maybe later.
Also woah, someone submitted me as a role ._.
thanks
It was a balance attempt in a game where the theme was "trading and copying powers".
A gender-specific role sounds exactly like the sort of thing you'd come up with. :P You have to admit that bit, at least.
And exactly the sort of thing I'd end up copying off you. :P
Just to note, the (Unusable) Luckiest-Son-of-a-gun ability. I was thinking that if anyone ever targeted TolyK with an ability that uses a random night action, it would work despite being "unusable". Or if TolyK ever got his hands on the Mod-Kill-Laser-Rifle, he could use Reload to make it usable.
But there wasn't enough ability trading; I should have given more, because less then I intended was used. :P
Post by: Tiruin on October 08, 2014, 08:56:22 am
So I was a livingIt was a balance attempt in a game where the theme was "trading and copying powers".
A gender-specific role sounds exactly like the sort of thing you'd come up with. :P You have to admit that bit, at least.
And exactly the sort of thing I'd end up copying off you. :P
Oh weird. But fun. Would do again.
I can imagine the workload you had to do for...all. Those. Roles.
Post by: Toaster on October 08, 2014, 09:03:55 am
Post by: Shakerag on October 08, 2014, 09:08:19 am
For the record, my role was awesome; Stoke Shakeforge is the best rolename ever.Amusingly, I was thinking that before I read down to your post. I need to appropriate that phrase for -something- in the future.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 08, 2014, 09:09:25 am
Submission for BYOR14: The BYOR14 Role that Stokes the Shakeforge.For the record, my role was awesome; Stoke Shakeforge is the best rolename ever.Amusingly, I was thinking that before I read down to your post. I need to appropriate that phrase for -something- in the future.
Post by: Persus13 on October 08, 2014, 09:12:10 am
Spoiler: Original Role (click to show/hide)
Post by: notquitethere on October 08, 2014, 09:14:05 am
Post by: Toaster on October 08, 2014, 09:17:34 am
A small team is always vulnerable to random mishaps (UI's bomb). Had I been able to really start hitting people with Conspiracy Nut (also great naming there) then that would limit town's power, since so few people had no Shakeragian roles.
EDIT: Also, I'd soon be able to revive a lot.
EDIT2: Also also, I could have started self-lynching and reviving off the gained Liquid Shakerags, which would have been just hilarious.
Post by: notquitethere on October 08, 2014, 09:35:41 am
Day 1 lasted 54/77 pages. Maybe there should be more limits on extensions? (Maybe, no extensions on Day 1?)
I'm glad no one noticed my careful not-quite-lies:
1. Someone has a power that will screw with the truth value of info you get from powers, so my advice is that if you're using Inspects etc, only bother if they're definitely infallible.This 'someone' was myself. I even tried to get that power back after losing it (because it allowed me to get rid of people's votes).
2. There's a role called Mute (I believe Varee submitted it). Whoever has it can prevent players from voting. The same person was most likely responsible for killing some peoples powers today.Here what I was saying was technically true but phrased to be misleading. There was a role called mute. Whoever had it wasn't able to vote. I happened to be the person that had it and I could also (from an unrelated role) prevent players from voting, and I was in fact responsible for getting rid of Wolf's and Tiruin's votes. I was concerned about there being someone else who could gain new roles like I could, or steal roles if they knew the name, so I tried to trick players (hopefully scum) into taking Mute.
Post by: Toaster on October 08, 2014, 10:15:12 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 08, 2014, 03:36:36 pm
I was a bad guy.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 08, 2014, 04:03:38 pm
Post by: GayArchaea on October 08, 2014, 04:06:55 pm
So day 2 we lynched the one who got Ebola, I believed I killed 4maskwolf because I thought a lynch would be wasted on him.
Note to self: Don't be afraid of a little bandwagoning. so you don't end up with a disaster like reply #1097.
Also do not imply, drop anvils.
Post by: mastahcheese on October 08, 2014, 04:13:49 pm
Which is why I tried to make my "subtle" clues to Tiruin as blatantly obvious as I could. :P
Which I still did an awful job at...
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 08, 2014, 04:38:20 pm
My original role:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So yeah, I made up a bunch of stuff during the game about what I could/couldn't do.
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 08, 2014, 06:17:31 pm
Totes called you Toaster.
I even had this whole thing written up to accuse you come daybreak.
And then the lyncher bombed you.
Post by: 4maskwolf on October 08, 2014, 10:15:30 pm
4maskwolf
Alignment: Brother-Ally
Wincon: You win when the resident Brother wins.
You are a great friend to the local brother. You're not sure who's brother he is, but you'd like to help him.
Also, you picked a Shakeragian Role and a reference role. So here's some fun powers to go with them!
The Flabort's BYOR role that causes annoyance and aggravation to everyone else [Shakeragian]
(Auto) Annoy Investigators: As long as you are alive and retain this ability, any informative role returns the result of "Troll".
(Auto) Agravate Voters: Each time somebody changes their vote, a "ghost" vote is left on the player they had previously been voting. Only one ghost vote exists per player, so if their vote is moved again previous ghost votes are removed.
(Day) Pester Target [Target]: Your target's next post must include text in Cyan, or they lose their powers for a cycle.
Shakerag did it [Shakeragian]
(Auto) Shakerag Did it!: In reference to BYOR 13, you have several other powers that Shakerag had. This particular power, though, allows you to continue posting and voting after you're dead.
(Auto) Sorry!: While you are alive, only one player chosen randomly from the players that died that night dies.
(Auto) Aggravation: While you are alive, all players roleflip as Shakerag Did It Again.
(Auto) The Game of Life: You may talk in the deadchat as soon as it opens while alive.
Quote
Alignment: Shakerag Did It Again
(Auto) Of course he did: He did.
You also grabbed the following roles:
Canadian House of Commons Hansard [Canadian Governmental Department]
(Night) Debating Squad [Target]: You send a team of Canadian Senators to debate with your target whether they're doing the right thing. You learn from the Senators who they targeted with what, and their alignment.
UBC Press [Canadian Governmental Department]
(Auto) Rich Canadian History: You have 1 vote for each 3 remaining Canadian Governmental Department roles remaining, rounded down (this starts at 6 votes).
Robot
(Auto) Assimilate Device: When you are targeted by an ability, you have a 50% chance of gaining that ability.
Food
(Auto) Edible: When you are first targeted by an ability, you lose this role and the person who targeted you gains an auto that may or may not be helpful or harmful.
Webadict [Bay12er]
(Auto) The Master of BYOR Design: Your powers are not affected by Shakeragian, Canadian Governmental Department, or Elemental roles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kirby_%28character%29
(Night) Inhale [Target]: You inhale your target, filling your mouth. You learn all about a random role they possess. You cannot inhale a target if your mouth is full.
(Night) Swallow: You swallow the person you inhaled, emptying your mouth. They die and you gain the role you learned about.
(Night) Star Spit [Target]: You spit out your swallowed foe, emptying your mouth. Your target dies.
Radagast the Brown.
(Auto) The Wizard at One with Nature: You aren't affected by being roleblocked, and may use your actions normally.
Ebola
(Night) Contract Disease [Target]: Your target gets Ebola. They die the next night. This cannot be protected against.
Post by: Tiruin on October 09, 2014, 05:31:40 am
Dropping anvils is always the best choice.Oh pffy!
Which is why I tried to make my "subtle" clues to Tiruin as blatantly obvious as I could. :P
Which I still did an awful job at...
I guessed them all right, didn't I? :D
I'm unsure where you did an awful job at it.
Post by: mastahcheese on October 09, 2014, 11:55:34 am
Well, it seemed to me like I was doing an awful job at it.Dropping anvils is always the best choice.Oh pffy!
Which is why I tried to make my "subtle" clues to Tiruin as blatantly obvious as I could. :P
Which I still did an awful job at...
I guessed them all right, didn't I? :D
I'm unsure where you did an awful job at it.
But it got across, in any case. :P
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 09, 2014, 01:42:48 pm