To be fair, this is around the time people have tests and stuff.
Now that the school's over, and that BYOR is in 5p and this game is so low on signups and stuff I guess I might in.
QFFT (quoted for fucking truth)Now that the school's over, and that BYOR is in 5p and this game is so low on signups and stuff I guess I might in.
But you don't play the Mafia games you join.
I think that my next exams won't take too much of my time.Lies.
Just saying in advance, BD's the alien exterminator.
Says the guy who went to prison for assassination. Or something.It was for a bar fight, obviously.
I think that my next exams won't take too much of my time.
Just saying in advance, BD's the alien exterminator.
Maybe we should wait for a couple more people?...Considering the first signups were in April, I don't think that terribly many more people will join. :)
In if you'd like one more before the start :)
Relevant, because I'm a Kook again.Sigh. Kooks definitely serve their monkey-wrenchy purpose.
Jim: What do you think is the best way to stop a dopp vig?
Well, rusty enough that I never received my role PM.
Pandar: Based on P18, do you think it is a good idea to claim Kook in your first post?
Relevant, because I'm a Kook again.
Also, say you're an Agent Operative. What's your loadout?
Toaster: What Doppleganger role do you think would be the most harmful towards town?
Dariush, if you were a Scientist of any type, what tool would you choose?Respectively, assassin bot, body double, surveillance system.
Are you implying you've got some powerful ability you really don't want to part with?Well, rusty enough that I never received my role PM.
I hope that doesn't mean we're going to have to reroll all the roles.
Are you implying you've got some powerful ability you really don't want to part with?Well, rusty enough that I never received my role PM.
I hope that doesn't mean we're going to have to reroll all the roles.
Dariush, if you were a Scientist of any type, what tool would you choose?Respectively, assassin bot, body double, surveillance system.
Darvi: Which alien would you most like to be?The one that's still alive at the end. Alternatively, the spore spreader.
Jim: If you had to be a dopp, which role would you chose, and why?
Toaster, you do realize how unlikely it is to be Kook twice in a row? Also, last time you got under suspicion right off the bat. Why did you choose to employ the same tactic?
Whatever, fuck statistics. That doesn't answer my question - why employ the same tactic that nearly got you lynched?
1. Arguments that use statistics are crap
2. Scum like to use early kook claims as an attempt to drive a mislynchFor a reaction to an RVS vote, that's rather far-fetched. Could you please say why you are so sure I'm going for an early lynch?
I never said you were scum. I was talking about Book's awful case on me in P18.Ah, so by saying
Now I just have to look for someone doing both of those. Have you seen anyone do that, Dariush?you didn't mean me. That's quite interesting...
However, since you just assumed the scum I was talking about was you, I'll be more than happy to vote you.I didn't say you were scum, I specifically stated that it was a randomvote, which was provoked by you claiming Kook twice in a row. Maybe you're thinking about Book in P18 again?
Janus: Easiest as in least effort/thinking required or best for team? If easiest, probably Cutting Edge, as Body Double requires no thinking- it's a one shot revive. If best for team, I'd say Intelligence, but that's because I like information to bolster the "informed" part of "informed minority."What do you think when a Cutting Edge Scientist with a Body Double revives on lynch? Would that make them more or less suspicious looking?
Are you rolefishing?I hope that doesn't mean we're going to have to reroll all the roles.Are you implying you've got some powerful ability you really don't want to part with?
Unvote, vote breadbocks. My gut tells me you're a dopp scientist who doesn't know what to pick and asks experienced players, trying to make it look like a random RVS question. Tsk-tsk.This looks like you're trying to throw suspicion on him. If he were really a Dopp Scientist who didn't know what to pick, why in the world wouldn't he ask on the Dopp Chat? He'd have at least 2 scumbuddies to help him there.
You just fell for the Org Theory of Scummitude.Remind me. Which is this?
Janus: Easiest as in least effort/thinking required or best for team? If easiest, probably Cutting Edge, as Body Double requires no thinking- it's a one shot revive. If best for team, I'd say Intelligence, but that's because I like information to bolster the "informed" part of "informed minority."What do you think when a Cutting Edge Scientist with a Body Double revives on lynch? Would that make them more or less suspicious looking?
(If a Body Double is used, alignment isn't revealed, just the use of the Body Double)
You just fell for the Org Theory of Scummitude.Remind me. Which is this?
2. Scum like to use early kook claims as an attempt to drive a mislynch
I wanted to see his reaction. His reaction satisfied me.Are you rolefishing?I hope that doesn't mean we're going to have to reroll all the roles.Are you implying you've got some powerful ability you really don't want to part with?
Again, just probing for the reaction. And framing that as an RVS question would at least save him the need to invent another one.Unvote, vote breadbocks. My gut tells me you're a dopp scientist who doesn't know what to pick and asks experienced players, trying to make it look like a random RVS question. Tsk-tsk.This looks like you're trying to throw suspicion on him. If he were really a Dopp Scientist who didn't know what to pick, why in the world wouldn't he ask on the Dopp Chat? He'd have at least 2 scumbuddies to help him there.
Do you really think he'd ask in the open?
Hey, I just saw some guy blow up the door to the vault you're now robbing. Have you seen anybody like that?2. Scum like to use early kook claims as an attempt to drive a mislynch
Let me break it down: I said this is something scum likes to do. I did not say you were doing it. (I threw a weak implicit accusation at you, but didn't say specifically you were doing it.) You responded by saying you weren't doing something I just said scum likes to do- defensive reaction.
Why are you pointing out that you didn't say I was scum? I never said you did.
Toaster, you do realize how unlikely it is to be Kook twice in a row? Also, last time you got under suspicion right off the bat. Why did you choose to employ the same tactic?
You didn't directly accuse me of being scum, but you implied it. Quite clearly implied it, actually. And now you're trying to pass it off like it wasn't an accusation.
I threw a weak implicit accusation at you, but didn't say specifically you were doing it.
I didn't make myself sufficiently clear - I voted for him because he employed the same tactic twice, and noted that it's highly improbable to be Kook twice to see how he will respond. I didn't vote for him because of statistics.
I employed statistics only in my randomvote, which I was planning to change soon after. However, Toaster's vague accusation of me and weak justification of reusing tactic which nearly got him lynched changed it into a real vote.
Wait, I didn't change my vote? Unvote, vote Toaster.Hahaha. In my past two scum games, I've learned when to see a desperation OMGUS. You could at least try to hide it better. Unvote Darvi. Vote Dariush.
If he admits his mistake I will consider it more forgivable.
Hahaha. In my past two scum games, I've learned when to see a desperation OMGUS. You could at least try to hide it better. Unvote Darvi. Vote Dariush.
At the time I was thinking it would show that he is being more cooperative and therefore more likely town.If he admits his mistake I will consider it more forgivable.I don't understand what you're trying to do here. How will him admitting his mistake make what he did any less scummy?
ToonyBroski, now that you've got a role you can answer the second part of my RV on you.
Also, say you're an Agent Operative. What's your loadout?Assassin bot, for the late-game dopp kill. Personal Shield, for protection. Scanner, for helpful inspections.
You were voting for me? Never.Wait, I didn't change my vote? Unvote, vote Toaster.Hahaha. In my past two scum games, I've learned when to see a desperation OMGUS. You could at least try to hide it better. Unvote Darvi. Vote Dariush.
Darvi: I still want those links.
Darvi: Any particular reason why?Because a Spore spreader can still win if he's dead, if I understood the role description correctly. I seem to have taken up a habit of getting NK'd in late game lately.
MBP has been offline since almost a month. Just so Meph knows.
- lordnincompoop, who do you think the easiest 2 people are to read in this game?
LNCP: If you were a telepath, what circumstances would make you claim early?
Lordnincompoop What do you mean by "Who will you nightkill" how can you be so sure that Breadbocks even has a nightkill?
breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?I see you what you did there.
First off: Kook?
Since Joker isn't here yet, Jim: what would your first priority be for capturing people as an Xenozoologist? What would your preferred techs be, for any role with tech?
breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?I see you what you did there.
Silly you, I don't get a night kill. I didn't get a NK role, nor a dopp role.
However, I'll read that as a hypothetical would. I'm not sure who I'd pick as a dopp, I'd let the people who have more experience with PM decide. Were I a vig or the like, I'd probably kill Dariush if he doesn't get lynched, since I've the impression of scumminess from him, thanks to the OMGUS and his weak arguments supporting it.
First off: Kook?
Bottom of the rolelist, they look like Dopps to investigation. Basically miller.
breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?I see you what you did there.
Silly you, I don't get a night kill. I didn't get a NK role, nor a dopp role.
And why do you care, BD?
In what way did I not answer it? I stated quite clearly, "I don't get a night kill." I "will" not kill anybody, due to not being able.breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?I see you what you did there.
Silly you, I don't get a night kill. I didn't get a NK role, nor a dopp role.
However, I'll read that as a hypothetical would. I'm not sure who I'd pick as a dopp, I'd let the people who have more experience with PM decide. Were I a vig or the like, I'd probably kill Dariush if he doesn't get lynched, since I've the impression of scumminess from him, thanks to the OMGUS and his weak arguments supporting it.
I like how you totally didn't answer LNCP's question.
My guess is it hits a little too close to home. What say you, breadbocks?
I don't know why I would lie like that, considering I'm not lying, there ya go. I'm really not going to be able to kill anybody tonight.breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?I see you what you did there.
Silly you, I don't get a night kill. I didn't get a NK role, nor a dopp role.
And why would you lie like that, eh?
Good job on dodging the question, by the way. Now, who are you really going to nightkill?
And while I'm at it, What about your vote? You've got the OMGUS so far, but you're not exactly racking it up against him. Going to build something substatial, or do you not want to get your hands dirty?
I like how you totally didn't answer LNCP's question.In what way did I not answer it? I stated quite clearly, "I don't get a night kill." I "will" not kill anybody, due to not being able.
My guess is it hits a little too close to home. What say you, breadbocks?
Lordnincompoop What do you mean by "Who will you nightkill" how can you be so sure that Breadbocks even has a nightkill?
Wait, I didn't change my vote? Unvote, vote Toaster.Your last vote was for breakbocks, not that many posts before this one. When were you meaning to vote for Toaster? Because voting for him as you did looks reactionary.
If he admits his mistake I will consider it more forgivable. I will also state that claiming kook at the start of a game is acceptable and users who argue about the topic are just causing confusion.Why would admitting it help? Looks more like trying to give him an out.
I employed statistics only in my randomvote, which I was planning to change soon after. However, Toaster's vague accusation of me and weak justification of reusing tactic which nearly got him lynched changed it into a real vote.Weaseling like this always seems suspicious to me. A vote is a vote, if you don't mean to at least go somewhere with the vote, then you really shouldn't be voting.
Harvey Janus Dent, what's worse, theGoing to need a little more context on that. Exterminator is annoying for everyone, themselves included because they throw an extra element of randomness into the game and it's hard for them to win.Dalekexterminator, vig, or war vet?
First off: Kook?You really need to read some past Paranormal games. They're in almost all of them and play more of a central role in several then the average person would like.
breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?Leading question? Check. Scummy.
Stun bomb. Being able to delay the game by an extra day would be invaluable.Even if this reveals the likely (although not guaranteed, granted) prescence of a Xenologist?
Stun bomb. Being able to delay the game by an extra day would be invaluable.Even if this reveals the likely (although not guaranteed, granted) prescence of a Xenologist?
Abductions reveal the presence of a Xenozoologist. Avoiding the stun bomb for that reason would be silly.Oh yeah. Duh. :-\
Jokerman-EXE: What dopp roles would you be most worried about? Alien roles?
Dariush:Accusation (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/accusation) - The act of accusing or charging with a crime or with a lighter offense.You didn't directly accuse me of being scum, but you implied it. Quite clearly implied it, actually. And now you're trying to pass it off like it wasn't an accusation.
Are you reading what I write?I threw a weak implicit accusation at you, but didn't say specifically you were doing it.
How is me saying it was an accusation "trying to pass it off like it wasn't an accusation?"
Because you 1) very nearly called me scum, then said you didn't (but fine, ignore this reason since it appears we were thinking different things about it) and 2) because you were almost lynched back then. Yes, it worked, but barely.I didn't make myself sufficiently clear - I voted for him because he employed the same tactic twice, and noted that it's highly improbable to be Kook twice to see how he will respond. I didn't vote for him because of statistics.I employed statistics only in my randomvote, which I was planning to change soon after. However, Toaster's vague accusation of me and weak justification of reusing tactic which nearly got him lynched changed it into a real vote.Make up your mind- why did you vote me?
Additionally, calling my "It worked last time" justification weak is absurd.
You're joking, right? I changed my vote after Meph's voteboard only because I forgot to change it earlier. How the hell is this an OMGUS?Wait, I didn't change my vote? Unvote, vote Toaster.Hahaha. In my past two scum games, I've learned when to see a desperation OMGUS. You could at least try to hide it better. Unvote Darvi. Vote Dariush.
I forgot to change it back because I thought I voted for breadbocks first, and then for Toaster, so my vote was already on him. Apparently, it wasn't so.Wait, I didn't change my vote? Unvote, vote Toaster.Your last vote was for breakbocks, not that many posts before this one. When were you meaning to vote for Toaster? Because voting for him as you did looks reactionary.
A vote isn't a vote when it is a randomvote. Last game I accompanied it by a question of 'What is your favorite colour?' and nobody seemed to mind...I employed statistics only in my randomvote, which I was planning to change soon after. However, Toaster's vague accusation of me and weak justification of reusing tactic which nearly got him lynched changed it into a real vote.Weaseling like this always seems suspicious to me. A vote is a vote, if you don't mean to at least go somewhere with the vote, then you really shouldn't be voting.
JimGroovester, who would be your least favorite scumbuddy?
-snip-'kay. unvote.
So players like breadbocks, Dariush, and Bdthemag. Also ToonyMan.I hate you.
Janus, why don't you tell me your list of suspicions? I notice that you comment on a lot of the things that are said, but you haven't voted and don't seem to be pushing any attacks. Just coasting through without any content.lordnincompoop, Dariush, Pandarsenic and ToonyMan. Pretty much in that order.
That's not a when.I forgot to change it back because I thought I voted for breadbocks first, and then for Toaster, so my vote was already on him. Apparently, it wasn't so.Wait, I didn't change my vote? Unvote, vote Toaster.Your last vote was for breakbocks, not that many posts before this one. When were you meaning to vote for Toaster? Because voting for him as you did looks reactionary.
Going to throw down some RVS junk and actually read tomorrow:Considering the day ends today, do you really believe this is the most contructive use of your time?
Janus, do you feel these questions are helpful?Too many to actually get a good read from any of them, about half are completely unlikely to get a useful response (as opposed to the rest, which are just somewhat unlikely), and several are leading. So no. Not really at all.
Did you actually gain anything from that line of questioning?-snip-'kay. unvote.
Think: By the time I responded to Dariush's RV, he had voted for Breadbocks.
Reply 71 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2337713#msg2337713): Dariush RVs me
Reply 77 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2337927#msg2337927): Dariush votes Breadbocks
Reply 79 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338176#msg2338176): I respond to Dariush
Reply 80: Dariush replies to me
Reply 81: I vote Dariush
Reply 87 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338485#msg2338485): Dariush revotes me
Who is not reading back here?
Reply 71 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2337713#msg2337713): Dariush RVs meI wanted to revote you when I replied to you the first time (#80), but forgot. Why is it so important? I've stated my reasons. Even if you suppose that I intentionally voted only after you did, it isn't an OMGUS.
Reply 77 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2337927#msg2337927): Dariush votes Breadbocks
Reply 79 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338176#msg2338176): I respond to Dariush
Reply 80: Dariush replies to me
Reply 81: I vote Dariush
Reply 87 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338485#msg2338485): Dariush revotes me
Did you actually gain anything from that line of questioning?I wanted to check how you'd react to my question. I made it deliberately ambiguous and see if you'd answer it as "what if you were" or "what do you fear most". You answered it as the former so... Actually I just wanted to see your reaction, which I did.
-snip-I wanted to revote you when I replied to you the first time (#80), but forgot. Why is it so important? I've stated my reasons. Even if you suppose that I intentionally voted only after you did, it isn't an OMGUS.
breadbocks, who is scum?I'm honestly quite certain Dariush is, at this point.
Jumping to conclusions pretty fast, are we?breadbocks, who is scum?I'm honestly quite certain Dariush is, at this point.
I'm sorry if you're taking it that way, however my way of looking at it right now is if he admits it then he would be being more cooperative which is pro-town. Even if he's mafia we will be catching him faster when there is less chaos and more rational truth. This will be his downfall if he's mafia.If he admits his mistake I will consider it more forgivable. I will also state that claiming kook at the start of a game is acceptable and users who argue about the topic are just causing confusion.Why would admitting it help? Looks more like trying to give him an out.
Sorry for the delays, doing my midterm in packing and moving out right now.I don't like this post at all because scum Pandarsenic always does this. I will be answering the question regardless however I will be expecting you to read and post something "tomorrow" as you say. I will answer Kook. I would say Kook because they would help me and my team. This is just from recollection though without going over all the roles exactly or how they work.
Going to throw down some RVS junk and actually read tomorrow:
ToonyMan, what role would you least fear as a Doppelganger?
This is a passive-aggressive attack that I do not like. You are still being very suspicious Dariush and I will keep my vote on you.Jumping to conclusions pretty fast, are we?breadbocks, who is scum?I'm honestly quite certain Dariush is, at this point.
This is a passive-aggressive attack that I do not like. You are still being very suspicious Dariush and I will keep my vote on you.
Janus, why don't you tell me your list of suspicions? I notice that you comment on a lot of the things that are said, but you haven't voted and don't seem to be pushing any attacks. Just coasting through without any content.lordnincompoop, Dariush, Pandarsenic and ToonyMan. Pretty much in that order.
breadbocks, who is scum?I'm honestly quite certain Dariush is, at this point.
First off: Kook?You really need to read some past Paranormal games. They're in almost all of them and play more of a central role in several then the average person would like.
breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?Leading question? Check. Scummy.
Lordnin, what third party would you least like to be?
ET, have you ever played in a mafia game before?Haven't, but I lurked a lot. Jumping in now to get my brain up to college standards.
EvilTwin, who would you investigate as an agent?
Silly you, I don't get a night kill. I didn't get a NK role, nor a dopp role.
However, I'll read that as a hypothetical would.[...]
In what way did I not answer it? I stated quite clearly, "I don't get a night kill." I "will" not kill anybody, due to not being able.
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I don't know why I would lie like that, considering I'm not lying, there ya go. I'm really not going to be able to kill anybody tonight.
That one leading question by LNCP is enough to make you vote for him? What makes you so sure?Not just the question. How he defended / reacted to the same.
I'll also point out that this is in reaction to Jokerman-EXE noting you weren't voting anyone.At that point, the day was ending today, so I voted the top of my list. It really wasn't in reaction to Jokerman-EXE, although I guess it'd look as much.
How is it a leading question? You assumed that he had a nightkill and asked what he'd do with it. Either means your saying "hey Dopp" or "hey Vig".How so?breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?Leading question? Check. Scummy.
Only one question now, I am too tired to reread the other branches right now, so that has to wait till tommorow.Please do so. Don't think we'll forget. :)
Janus: That's a nice list. Any particular reasons, especially behind that vote?
Janus: You missed this:I saw the email but missed it when I was grabbing things from the thread to respond to. Apologies.
Jokerman-EXE, what do you consider the minimum amount of activity necessary for a person to be useful? Do you intend to exceed it, meet it precisely, or do less than it?
Janus, I don't like that you simply threw out a vote and a list with no explanations until asked. You, of all people, should know that that won't satisfy us. You're not playing the way I've come to expect town Janus to play. You're not hunting much at all, considering your fully stated list of suspicions. Why aren't you grilling them?
lordnincompoop, regarding that leading question, what reaction did you intend with it? What would you answer?
LNCP: What's your read of Jim, Joker, and Pandar?
Janus, I don't like that you simply threw out a vote and a list with no explanations until asked. You, of all people, should know that that won't satisfy us. You're not playing the way I've come to expect town Janus to play. You're not hunting much at all, considering your fully stated list of suspicions. Why aren't you grilling them?All of them except for Pandarsenic were people I had been questioning the post right before (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2339996#msg2339996) (ignoring the one line post).
On that note, you seem rather focused on breadbocks. Why? And thoughts on any of the others?I seem unable to keep a lot of stuff running parallel in my brain, so I'm sifting through it all one issue after another. You will get your turn as well, no worries.
Or I could just not know what to ask, so I ask game relevant questions. That's kinda the point of RVS. You ask questions, look for scumtells, vote based on those scumtells. So, no. I'm not a dopp scientist, but thanks for trying.To me it seems as if he is trying hard to shake off any suspicion, which results in relatively long answers where he could have kept it short. That makes him look scummy to me. Also he voted Dariush without stating why he did so, so he seems to be bandwagoning there -> scummy.
Sounds like fair reasoning. Who do you think will live through to mylo?lordnincompoop, regarding that leading question, what reaction did you intend with it? What would you answer?I tried to fluster him a little, see if he might reveal something. If I were on the receiving end, I'd pick Jim right now for being productive.
Janus, I don't like that you simply threw out a vote and a list with no explanations until asked. You, of all people, should know that that won't satisfy us. You're not playing the way I've come to expect town Janus to play. You're not hunting much at all, considering your fully stated list of suspicions. Why aren't you grilling them?
What, specifically, about JTF's game makes you think it's not his normal town game?
Because vague meta arguments are great to throw out when you've got nothing else to go off of.
Janus, I don't like that you simply threw out a vote and a list with no explanations until asked. You, of all people, should know that that won't satisfy us. You're not playing the way I've come to expect town Janus to play. You're not hunting much at all, considering your fully stated list of suspicions. Why aren't you grilling them?All of them except for Pandarsenic were people I had been questioning the post right before (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2339996#msg2339996) (ignoring the one line post).
What does 'fully stated' mean exactly?
Jim Groovester, you haven't changed your RV on Jokerman which you placed due to his inactivity. What are your thoughts on breadbocks and Dariush?
It feels to me that Janus is only answering the questions posed and lightly poking at people. He didn't place a vote until asked, he wasn't attacking anyone, and overall it seemed like passive play.
Jokerman, who will be lynched, who will be nightkilled?
Not at allJumping to conclusions pretty fast, are we?breadbocks, who is scum?I'm honestly quite certain Dariush is, at this point.
Cool.
Why?
breadbocks, you reacted quite emothically to all that. We haven't heard a justification yet...?Not quite sure but emothically means, but if it's the case you want, give me a second.
breadbocks, your vote is on Dariush but you've done nothing to pressure him. There's no visible attempt to build your case, which you've apparently been doing all along. Mind if we see some of that progress?See above.
breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.In fact, it's what I do anyways, which you would have known if you read any of the other games I've played. I don't like posting shit that isn't done, and I don't post because every time I do, I'll get pestered for said undone thing.
Dariush... does stuff like this. I'm not going to call him scum so quickly because this is exactly what I expect from him[...]
[...]
It starts here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338224#msg2338224).
From this post on, all he has done has been defend himself.
Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338749#msg2338749) is the epitome of everything he's done that's been town friendly so far; that is all the scumhunting from him in the entire game. If nothing else, he's at least a bad townie.
Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340553#msg2340553), he is purposfully asinine about definitions, something which I think he did just to attempt to throw confusion into the mix.
[...] And to finish it off, the last we've seen of him (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341337#msg2341337) has been a weak attempt at trying to call me out for stating the facts.
breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.
In fact, it's what I do anyways, which you would have known if you read any of the other games I've played. I don't like posting shit that isn't done, and I don't post because every time I do, I'll get pestered for said undone thing.
Toaster, do you have any suspicions besides Dariush? You've been posing some questions, but you don't seem to be doing much besides.
Jim Groovester, you haven't changed your RV on Jokerman which you placed due to his inactivity. What are your thoughts on breadbocks and Dariush?
breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.
-snip-
In that vein, unvote Jokerman-EXE, breadbocks.
Who do you think will live through to mylo?
Jokerman, who will be lynched, who will be nightkilled?
Dariush... does stuff like this. I'm not going to call him scum so quickly because this is exactly what I expect from him[...]
How does this make the action any less scummy?
Jim:In that vein, unvote Jokerman-EXE, breadbocks.
What's with this? I've seen you give people crap for this exact move- not changing their vote until prompted. You had two posts between his last post and your vote change, so it's not like he did anything. Why the wait?
Toony: You're not tunneling like you usually do. Did you decide it was ineffective? If not that, why?Tunneling isn't a helpful action usually so I don't plan on doing that this game.
Do you believe Darius to be town lordnincompoop?
I meant emotionally there (sorry, English isn't my mothertongue), as in, you overreacted, became nervous. Also, you still no justification from you, would like to hear one.breadbocks, you reacted quite emothically to all that. We haven't heard a justification yet...?Not quite sure but emothically means, but if it's the case you want, give me a second.
[/quote]Who do you think will live through to mylo?Why do you ask that?Jokerman, who will be lynched, who will be nightkilled?Why do you ask that? Looking for suggestions?
Do you believe Darius to be town lordnincompoop?
That is something swirling around in my head as well... It is kinda strange, but I thought through the following:
Both of them could still be town, their scummy behaviour could be all... I dunno, two bad days in succession or something like that, probably inexperience as well.
But what's more likely, one of them is town, one is scum. In this case I'd rather say breadbocks is the scum as he tries to put it all on Dariush (using the previous bandwagon against him as a hideout).
But what most creeps me: they could also both be scum, in which case breadbocks tries to sacrifice Dariush to prove himself as a townie...
I don't know what to think of all that... Hmm.
Toony: You're not tunneling like you usually do. Did you decide it was ineffective? If not that, why?Tunneling isn't a helpful action usually so I don't plan on doing that this game.
Also, Pandarsenic, you never did anything today like you said you would. If my vote wasn't more solidly on Darius it would be on you.
Do you believe Darius to be town lordnincompoop?
That is something swirling around in my head as well... It is kinda strange, but I thought through the following:
Both of them could still be town, their scummy behaviour could be all... I dunno, two bad days in succession or something like that, probably inexperience as well.
But what's more likely, one of them is town, one is scum. In this case I'd rather say breadbocks is the scum as he tries to put it all on Dariush (using the previous bandwagon against him as a hideout).
But what most creeps me: they could also both be scum, in which case breadbocks tries to sacrifice Dariush to prove himself as a townie...
I don't know what to think of all that... Hmm.
Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340553#msg2340553), he is purposfully asinine about definitions, something which I think he did just to attempt to throw confusion into the mix.Wow, trying to clear up confusion that would have led us all on a pointless argument is 'asinine'?
Daaaaaw (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340684#msg2340684), he's being spiteful for the sake of activelurking! How utterly scummy!Activelurking? THIRTEEN minutes after my last post?! I can't even tell if you're joking anymore.
And to finish it off, the last we've seen of him (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341337#msg2341337) has been a weak attempt at trying to call me out for stating the facts.
Stating the factsand
I'm pretty certain Dariush is scumare two very different things.
So, once again, Darius is utterly scummy, and deserves to have his neck snap on that noose around it.You seriously felt the need to vote for me again, just for the sake of it (even though your vote was already on me) and didn't even bother getting my nickname right?
Dariush, in your opinion, what aspect of the game are you best at? Which aspects are problematic to you?Staying calm despite all empty and ridiculous accusations (and subsequently getting even more votes for my reaction) would definitely be the hardest part of it... As for the best... probably praying for my craziest plan to succeed against all probabilities. (Like it did in last Sorcerer's Apprentice)
1) Because I want to hear your opinion who is playing a good game and who will mess up, and also because I'd like to use the time we have.Why does his opinion matter?
who is playing a good game and who will mess upis a fact. Opinions don't figure into it. And even figuring you were honest about the matter, what were you going to do with the information? Were you going to make sure those
who are playing a good gamedon't live until MYLO?
2) Suggestions for lynching? Nah thanks, I think my vote for Day 1 won't change, unless (unlikely) breadbocks manages to convince me of his innocence.You answered the second part of his question. How about the first part? Why did you ask that?
Suggestions for nightkilling? No, thanks, I would rather ask breadbocks on scumchat[ 1 ]
Actually, I would defy the purpose of that question if I told it to you before Jokerman answered it.
[...]Okay, this is sounding better now. Less scummy, more hunty.
Toony: You're not tunneling like you usually do. Did you decide it was ineffective? If not that, why?Tunneling isn't a helpful action usually so I don't plan on doing that this game.
Also, Pandarsenic, you never did anything today like you said you would. If my vote wasn't more solidly on Darius it would be on you.
Put thine currency where thine oral orifice doth reside.
If your vote on Dariush is so much more solid than your suspicion of Pandarsenic, how about you explain how?
I don't buy that you actually suspect Pandarsenic. I smell scumbuddy token suspicion.[...]Because I got that around in my head and wanted to output it in this thread, but just throwing it out would have looked weird to say the least.
This is all nice.
Why did you answer a question directed at lordnincompoop?
I didn't intend to answer instead of lordnincompoop, I wanted to know whether my way of thinking is right or not. Toaster helped me there, and Dariush last post helped to resolve it as well.
Do you believe Dariush to be town lordnincompoop?
I have explained why. I feel that a player using his faulty logic, plus his behavior, and now his most recent post which is just an excuse for a bandwagon vote, are far more suspicious than Pandarsenic's inactivity. I'll just say I feel more comfortable in Darius's scumitude than Pandarsenic's. I would really really like if Pandarsenic participated, however I can't vote two people unfortunately. So that's why I had to use the blue FoS.Put thine currency where thine oral orifice doth reside.Toony: You're not tunneling like you usually do. Did you decide it was ineffective? If not that, why?Tunneling isn't a helpful action usually so I don't plan on doing that this game.
Also, Pandarsenic, you never did anything today like you said you would. If my vote wasn't more solidly on Darius it would be on you.
If your vote on Dariush is so much more solid than your suspicion of Pandarsenic, how about you explain how?
I don't buy that you actually suspect Pandarsenic. I smell scumbuddy token suspicion.
Unvote.Maybe he's trying to attack you for reactions? If that's so you are being way too sensitive to being called scum and now you've retaliate by making up some mild excuses and voting him right back. It seems very emotionally driven, especially from the last sentence and I don't like it.Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340553#msg2340553), he is purposfully asinine about definitions, something which I think he did just to attempt to throw confusion into the mix.Wow, trying to clear up confusion that would have led us all on a pointless argument is 'asinine'?Daaaaaw (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340684#msg2340684), he's being spiteful for the sake of activelurking! How utterly scummy!Activelurking? THIRTEEN minutes after my last post?! I can't even tell if you're joking anymore.And to finish it off, the last we've seen of him (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341337#msg2341337) has been a weak attempt at trying to call me out for stating the facts.QuoteStating the factsandQuoteI'm pretty certain Dariush is scumare two very different things.So, once again, Darius is utterly scummy, and deserves to have his neck snap on that noose around it.You seriously felt the need to vote for me again, just for the sake of it (even though your vote was already on me) and didn't even bother getting my nickname right?
Whatever, call it WIFOM or however you like, but breadbocks's hopeless attempts at tunneling me have gotten beyond ridiculous.
Can already tell I'mma need another extension.Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic
Think, your last post was an unvote to Toaster after he provided justification. What do you think of the events that happened afterward? Do you have any suspects now, and if so, why do you suspect them? Why haven't you hunted?
The bigger problem was that you had just replaced in and had only minimal interactions to go on. That's been somewhat alleviated since.On that note, you seem rather focused on breadbocks. Why? And thoughts on any of the others?I seem unable to keep a lot of stuff running parallel in my brain, so I'm sifting through it all one issue after another. You will get your turn as well, no worries.
Toaster looks less suspicious to me, since him claiming Kook right off the bat although he had done so previously seems like a rather dumb choice if he was scum. But it really is WIFOM as far as I can see.The whole Kook claim has been a big thing over the past several rounds of Paranormal. Toaster claiming Kook is perfectly expected if he actually is a Kook and not something I'd put past him if he were a Dopp. Basically a null tell. At least it lets inspectors that would be fooled by a Kook know that they're probably better off going elsewhere for the time being.
Jokerman, who will be lynched, who will be nightkilled?This feels like a leading question. There's no particular way to know the former unless you are trying to (and capable of) control the lynch and the latter only scum / Vigs know. What did/do you hope to gain by his answer?
It feels to me that Janus is only answering the questions posed and lightly poking at people. He didn't place a vote until asked, he wasn't attacking anyone, and overall it seemed like passive play.Look back. I'm asking and answering questions. Meta-wise, voting late isn't unsual for me, nor is being accused of being passive (although I usually don't see it). So you really don't have much.
By fully stated I meant that you already made a list of people that you found suspicious, you have reasons, and yet I haven't seen you attack anyone. Sup widdat?Emphasis on the I haven't seen part.
I find it interesting that you didn't strictly deny it, but rather claimed to do the same as town or scum. Can you link a game where you did the same as town? I don't recall having played with you before often / at all either way. It does feel like a traditional scum pattern.breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.In fact, it's what I do anyways, which you would have known if you read any of the other games I've played. I don't like posting shit that isn't done, and I don't post because every time I do, I'll get pestered for said undone thing.
Both of them could still be town, their scummy behaviour could be all... I dunno, two bad days in succession or something like that, probably inexperience as well.Trying to analyze pairs of people, particularly on Day 1 isn't likely to lead anywhere useful. I would suggest avoiding such lines of thought. It often leads to 'one must be scum' lines of thought which (if neither is) wastes lynches.
But what's more likely, one of them is town, one is scum. In this case I'd rather say breadbocks is the scum as he tries to put it all on Dariush (using the previous bandwagon against him as a hideout).
But what most creeps me: they could also both be scum, in which case breadbocks tries to sacrifice Dariush to prove himself as a townie...
Can already tell I'mma need another extension.:-\ You really need to make the time for at least something. If you make it through the entirety of Day 1 without more content, you should really consider replacement (since you're so busy).
Can already tell I'mma need another extension.Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic
Toaster, you've been poking and prodding around. Where do you stand with your suspicions?
Unvote.Daaaaaw (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340684#msg2340684), he's being spiteful for the sake of activelurking! How utterly scummy!Activelurking? THIRTEEN minutes after my last post?! I can't even tell if you're joking anymore.
Whatever, call it WIFOM or however you like, but breadbocks's hopeless attempts at tunneling me have gotten beyond ridiculous.
Toony: Do you have anything on Pandar besides his lurkitude? What about others that are lurking, like Darvi and BD- are they as scummy as Pandar for it? (thanks WebLurkerTracker)Yes. They are equally of guilt, sorry I was kinda focusing on Pandar solely at the time since he's more noticeable to me because of his mid-term jokes.
Toony: Do you have anything on Pandar besides his lurkitude? What about others that are lurking, like Darvi and BD- are they as scummy as Pandar for it? (thanks WebLurkerTracker)Yes. They are equally of guilt, sorry I was kinda focusing on Pandar solely at the time since he's more noticeable to me because of his mid-term jokes.
Toony: You're not tunneling like you usually do. Did you decide it was ineffective? If not that, why?Tunneling isn't a helpful action usually so I don't plan on doing that this game.
Dariush, any particular reason you answered which role you would fear most as a Doppelganger with which one you'd fear most if you were a Doppelganger, and not which you'd fear most if the role was a Doppelganger?'Which role you would fear most as a Doppelganger' quite plainly means 'if you were a Doopelganger'. Next time phrase your questions better, duh.
Darvi: You wouldn't fear the town least as town?(of sorts)As town I wouldn't fear other town. They at least aren't out to get me. Nice try with the double negative (of sorts) though.
ToonyMan, do you feel not having familiarized yourself with the game's roles this time around might be an impairment? Why/not?It's not impairing. If I ever really need some info I could just look at the role list. :P
Jokerman-EXE:Jokerman, who will be lynched, who will be nightkilled?
Chill, guys. You know that I hate playing on weekends.
Almost as much as I hate people flooding threads while I'm away. Gotta read through all this now.
All right, just read all of day one.
Has Jokerman spoken since he answered my question?
Lordnincompoop, what do you mean you wouldn't know what to do as a Survivor?
Darvi: You wouldn't fear the town least as town?(of sorts)As town I wouldn't fear other town. They at least aren't out to get me. Nice try with the double negative (of sorts) though.
@Toaster, LNCP, and whoever else asked my scumpicks:
ET replaced in, and I felt like getting him involved. I was worried about a newbie because nobody knows whether they're genuinely scummy or jus' inexperienced. Unvote for now because I didn't get to it before Saturday. He didn't panic at the vote, but he does have a modicum of skill.
Now, my actual suspects.
I don't actually see anything wrong with LNCP's question. It's a psychological trick, because scum could slip up instead of saying "I cannot kill" (not that this is a towntell, mind ya). BD's jumping onto that question, however, is more interesting.
What was your deal with that, bro? Wait, don't answer that, I can read your last post jus' fine. Rather, tell me why do you think that it's an accusation rather than an RV question? Also why do you still have your RV on Toaster? He's answered your question and you've shown to have read the thread afterwards.
Next up is Dariush. Man, do you defensively overreact. OMGUSing Toaster because he admits being Kook? WTF man. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy) Your later reactions, such as OMGUSing bread, don't help your case either.
Breadbocks himself, on the other hand, has also OMGUSed Dariush, and keeps tunneling with weak arguments. Also, he didn't answer LNCP's question in the way he obvioulsy interpreted it as, namely a hypothetical question. Sure, you want to kill Dariush. What's new. Also, while I'm not a fan of meta, his behaviour is reminiscent of how he played in his previous scum games.
Modface, BD's been gone for quite a while. Can I request a Prod or a Replace for him?His last post was Friday in this game. Since many people are busy on weekends I don't count them for prodding purposes. As long as he posts sometime today he's fine.
Sigh, well, here's a question for everybody voting Breadbocks. Are you all going to keep your vote on Breadbocks after the replacement comes in?
LNCP, is there a reason you quoted me?
Sigh, well, here's a question for everybody voting Breadbocks. Are you all going to keep your vote on Breadbocks after the replacement comes in?
breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.This vote is not stupid. Not at all, Jim Groovester.
Dariush... does stuff like this. I'm not going to call him scum so quickly because this is exactly what I expect from him, and the stuff he's been accused of isn't completely damning. I'm keeping an eye on him of course.
In that vein, unvote Jokerman-EXE, breadbocks.
I think it's important information. I would like to see people's response so I can gauge if it's scummy or not.Sigh, well, here's a question for everybody voting Breadbocks. Are you all going to keep your vote on Breadbocks after the replacement comes in?Yes.
Why do you care?
What do you want me to do, Leafsnail? Give breadbocks a headsup about how I recognize the stuff he's doing from his scum game? 'Hey, pal, just a warning, but you might want to try and do stuff that makes it harder for me to figure out that you're scum, because this is awfully familiar to your scum game right now. Got it? Good, I'll check back in a week, see how you're doing.' Nope, sorry, that's bullshit. Not gonna do that.Uh... your joke scenario seems pretty damn close to what happened. Your damning reason that got you to vote him was something you'd pointed out earlier and done nothing at all about. If it really were a damning reason, why didn't you vote or at least properly question him about it at the time?
I asked him why he thought Dariush was scum here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341749#msg2341749), and it took him forever to respond, so the idea that I did nothing about it in the interim is complete bullshit. Well, it's not complete bullshit, it's just disingenuous. I did nothing, only because breadbocks did nothing.You didn't like, vote or have any suspects though. "But I was busy activelurking" isn't a defence.
And I wasn't defending Dariush, you dumbass, I was asked my opinion on him. How about you selectively edit the quote so that gets lost in there?...You were asked your opinion on Dariush, and you defended him in response. I didn't think that part of the quote changed anything, but if you think the fact that you need to be prodded in order to say something reflects positively on you then whatever. I like how you don't have any answer at all to the accusation that it was a ridiculously sissy and noncomittal
What do you want me to do, Leafsnail? Give breadbocks a headsup about how I recognize the stuff he's doing from his scum game? 'Hey, pal, just a warning, but you might want to try and do stuff that makes it harder for me to figure out that you're scum, because this is awfully familiar to your scum game right now. Got it? Good, I'll check back in a week, see how you're doing.' Nope, sorry, that's bullshit. Not gonna do that.Uh... your joke scenario seems pretty damn close to what happened. Your damning reason that got you to vote him was something you'd pointed out earlier and done nothing at all about. If it really were a damning reason, why didn't you vote or at least properly question him about it at the time?
I asked him why he thought Dariush was scum here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341749#msg2341749), and it took him forever to respond, so the idea that I did nothing about it in the interim is complete bullshit. Well, it's not complete bullshit, it's just disingenuous. I did nothing, only because breadbocks did nothing.You didn't like, vote or have any suspects though. "But I was busy activelurking" isn't a defence.
From the time you ignored breadbocks' supposedly damning scumtell until the time when you actually voted him for it you answered some random votes, commented on some random vote answers (which you... never mentioned again). Then you asked some passive questions of various people (yes, one of them was breadbocks - wow, amazing detective work there) and then finally decided that the damning scumtell you saw 2 days earlier was worth a vote when EvilTwin called you out on sitting around on your random vote since the start of the game.
And I wasn't defending Dariush, you dumbass, I was asked my opinion on him. How about you selectively edit the quote so that gets lost in there?...You were asked your opinion on Dariush, and you defended him in response. I didn't think that part of the quote changed anything, but if you think the fact that you need to be prodded in order to say something reflects positively on you then whatever. I like how you don't have any answer at all to the accusation that it was a ridiculously sissy and noncomittaldefence of Dariush"opinion" on Dariush, instead trying to distract attention by saying someone else asked you to do it. So, what do you think of him now, if you're "keeping your eye on him"?
Toony, are you trying to ingratiate yourself with the replacement?No. Why do you think so?
Because I wanted to see if he'd break from his meta first.Actually, I never said "about breadbocks". You did jack shit in regards to everyone equally. Unless you call pointless questions (which ultimately weren't used as part of your case against breadbocks) which you asked to almost everyone "doing something".
Nope.
I also pressed breadbocks plenty along the way. You accuse me of doing jack shit about breadbocks, when that's simply not true.
You make scumhunting sound so scummy.Very well. Show me some scumhunting you did during that period, and explain why your vote didn't change away from your random one in order to back that up.
That wasn't a defense. It wasn't really anything. I couldn't make up my mind on Dariush because my reads on him at that point did not strongly point one way or the other. This is still the case.Uh... huh. So you're saying you essentially waffled and then promised to take action in a way that wouldn't actually require you doing anything (an even more passive position than what I thought it was). Tell me, since when was it your policy to not do anything with regards to people you aren't sure about? I mean... for instance, breadbocks had been voting Dariush for most of the games, and you're convinced breadbocks was scum. Do you think it looked like bussing? Why so or why not?
You make scumhunting sound so scummy.Very well. Show me some scumhunting you did during that period, and explain why your vote didn't change away from your random one in order to back that up.
That wasn't a defense. It wasn't really anything. I couldn't make up my mind on Dariush because my reads on him at that point did not strongly point one way or the other. This is still the case.Uh... huh. So you're saying you essentially waffled and then promised to take action in a way that wouldn't actually require you doing anything (an even more passive position than what I thought it was). Tell me, since when was it your policy to not do anything with regards to people you aren't sure about? I mean... for instance, breadbocks had been voting Dariush for most of the games, and you're convinced breadbocks was scum. Do you think it looked like bussing? Why so or why not?
Nah.Ok.
I'd rather wait for you to show me how my posts were scummy first.
Unvote, Jokerman-EXE, lurk lurk lurk lurking lurker lurkdong lurkwin?
(nothing about who I think is scum)In other words, you did nothing to attack scum until EvilTwin told you to give an opinion on someone (incidentally, the first time you gave an opinion on anyone in the game rather than vague, unfollowed up "that's scummy" statements). Heck, if EvilTwin didn't tell you to then, you probably still wouldn't have attacked anyone.
Blah blah I don't care about Dariush. I've been more interested in breadbocks for the whole game because I think it's more likely breadbocks is scum.Yeah... I guess the less you argue with today's mislynch the better. Much better just shut down and remain completely passive.
Shame on me for going after the people I suspect.
This is pointless.
Yeah... I guess the less you argue with today's mislynch the better. Much better just shut down and remain completely passive.
Joker: Why don't you like having the most votes on someone who asked for a replacement (after he got said votes?)
Who do you suspect now?
Joker: Why don't you like having the most votes on someone who asked for a replacement (after he got said votes?)
Who do you suspect now?
I don't like that he got the most votes and then asked for a replacement. That's a tactically scummy move, or it's terrible timing on his part. Either way, I'm not a fan.
However, I think Leafsnail has done a far better job of answering the accusations against him than his predecessor, which makes my suspicions (that were on breadbocks) much weaker. As to who I suspect, I'd have to say Pandarsenic (for still not doing jack shit, despite the promises) and ToonyMan, because I don't really know how to feel about his game right now. It's pretty typical Toony, I guess, and maybe it's been a while, but it seems off.
Toony, are you trying to ingratiate yourself with the replacement?
Dariush: You're not hunting for scum. Instead, you're vehemently defending yourself against any and all attacks made against your person, attaching OMGUS to it too. What the hell?I've already found one. Don't you think Leafsnail is scum? Or are you going to find a second one on the first day?
It isn't active lurking if I'm not even trying to make an impression of doing anything. But fine. Where is the scumminess in posting a not related to absolutely anything comment?Ok, so, Dariush's attack starts badly. He makes two minor criticisms of breadbocks' post (one of which is incorrect - the whole point of active lurking is that you are ACTIVE but not really saying anything).Daaaaaw (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340684#msg2340684), he's being spiteful for the sake of activelurking! How utterly scummy!Activelurking? THIRTEEN minutes after my last post?! I can't even tell if you're joking anymore.
'Dariush is scum' is an opinion. breadbocks claimed this was a fact. There's an important difference....And then he goes on to attack what seems to be a technicality. Unless Dariush is somehow saying that saying "Dariush is scum" is a devastating scumtell. Oh well, the final bit before his vote must be a devastating conclusion, right?And to finish it off, the last we've seen of him (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341337#msg2341337) has been a weak attempt at trying to call me out for stating the facts.QuoteStating the factsandQuoteI'm pretty certain Dariush is scumare two very different things.
Damn, I confused terms WIFOM and OMGUS. :P And how is tunnelling not a valid reason for a vote?You seriously felt the need to vote for me again, just for the sake of it (even though your vote was already on me) and didn't even bother getting my nickname right?...Oh wait no, it's stupid. I can see absolutely no logical process behind this vote at all. As far as I can tell, it goes "You accidentally revoted me. Therefore I will randomly mention the word WIFOM and vote you for tunnelling". This is blatantly a stupid, OMGUSy vote, although since Dariush is prone to stupid play it's not necessarily a scumtell.
Whatever, call it WIFOM or however you like, but breadbocks's hopeless attempts at tunneling me have gotten beyond ridiculous.
Why would anybody except scum have any reason to so desperately try to get me in the noose?Goddammit. I've carefully explained why his every point is wrong. Still, you call my answer a mild excuse for a bandwagon vote. It looks like you just saw breadbocks's name in red from my post, ignored everything else and called it a bandwagon.A weird response. You still give no explanation at all why you think/ thought Breadbocks is scum, instead insisting you "explained why his every point is wrong". Well, even if you did (you didn't), why would that make him scum?
In other news, Dariush is trying to lurk the day away to survive to N1 without doing any hunting of his own.I was a bit busy.
Joker:Joker: Why don't you like having the most votes on someone who asked for a replacement (after he got said votes?)
Who do you suspect now?
I don't like that he got the most votes and then asked for a replacement. That's a tactically scummy move, or it's terrible timing on his part. Either way, I'm not a fan.
However, I think Leafsnail has done a far better job of answering the accusations against him than his predecessor, which makes my suspicions (that were on breadbocks) much weaker. As to who I suspect, I'd have to say Pandarsenic (for still not doing jack shit, despite the promises) and ToonyMan, because I don't really know how to feel about his game right now. It's pretty typical Toony, I guess, and maybe it's been a while, but it seems off.
So why aren't you voting either of them?
It isn't active lurking if I'm not even trying to make an impression of doing anything. But fine. Where is the scumminess in posting a not related to absolutely anything comment?The first part of this response is confusing (you seem to be admitting murder to avoid a manslaughter charge). I'm not saying what you said was scummy - just that it was stupid and not a reason to vote breadbocks at all.
'Dariush is scum' is an opinion. breadbocks claimed this was a fact. There's an important difference.Well, if you're gonna persist in being technical as hell, "Dariush is scum" isn't actually an opinion. It's a statement that's either correct or incorrect. What I'm not sure about is why this would make you think he's scum. At all.
Damn, I confused terms WIFOM and OMGUS. :P And how is tunnelling not a valid reason for a vote?...Because town and scum both "tunnel"? There's nothing inherently scummy about it at all.
Why would anybody except scum have any reason to so desperately try to get me in the noose?...Huh? Making logically unsound arguments is just as bad for a mafia player as a town player when it comes to getting people lynched. This is the most OMGUSy vote I've ever seen, quite frankly. There's no other basis for it.
lol hypocrisy lol
Read again Jim. Pandar was a town investigator.
Toony, I still don't trust you, because of your lackluster hunting and weird comments regarding the replacement. Who do you suspect now and why?The people that voted Leafsnail for their idiotic reasons as well as Jokerman and BD for not being helpful yesterday.
Anyways, ToonyMan, I guess the kill didn't go off like you wanted it, huh?I didn't kill anybody yesterday.
The Advanced Doppelganger replace has to be used in lieu of the normal dopp kill.I believe this happened as well, although you are original scum.
Anyways, ToonyMan, I guess the kill didn't go off like you wanted it, huh?I didn't kill anybody yesterday.
Jim Groovester, I don't like at all that argument you had with Leafsnail yesterday. You invalid his points by calling them completely useless and pointless until the day is over.
I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious so I will be asking everybody that voted him yesterday, now that his role has been revealed as town, what do you actually plan to do today instead of sitting on your votes/hands?
Dariush: You're not hunting for scum. Instead, you're vehemently defending yourself against any and all attacks made against your person, attaching OMGUS to it too. What the hell?I've already found one.
Jim Groovester, I don't like at all that argument you had with Leafsnail yesterday. You invalid his points by calling them completely useless and pointless until the day is over.
I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious
so I will be asking everybody that voted him yesterday, now that his role has been revealed as town, what do you actually plan to do today instead of sitting on your votes/hands?
The Advanced Doppelganger replace has to be used in lieu of the normal dopp kill.I believe this happened as well, although you are original scum.
How have I distanced myself from Pandarsenic? Is it my fault if Pandarsenic asks me questions? Should I have ignored him instead then? Which I think would would work better for distancing instead.You spent an awful lot of time distancing yourself from Pandarsenic. And only Pandarsenic. Why, people had to point out to you that there were other lurkers in the game.Anyways, ToonyMan, I guess the kill didn't go off like you wanted it, huh?I didn't kill anybody yesterday.
You aren't defending yourself well when you don't even try. Look at this:Jim Groovester, I don't like at all that argument you had with Leafsnail yesterday. You invalid his points by calling them completely useless and pointless until the day is over.That's not what happened. I first refuted his points, and then I called them stupid and pointless.
I fail to see how that makes me voteworthy, or how that's even a bad thing. If people attack me, I'm going to defend myself, and I'm going to defend myself well.
This was the last significant post replying to Leafsnail. You asked Leafsnail to farther define his points which have been doing for one and a half pages at that point and the end of the day was coming very shortly. Your second reply is a completely dead stop that is just trying to halt conversation. There is no way Leafsnail would be able to save himself at that point and all the five people voting him never moved like static dummies. I don't like it.Nah.You make scumhunting sound so scummy.Very well. Show me some scumhunting you did during that period, and explain why your vote didn't change away from your random one in order to back that up.
I'd rather wait for you to show me how my posts were scummy first.Blah blah I don't care about Dariush. I've been more interested in breadbocks for the whole game because I think it's more likely breadbocks is scum.That wasn't a defense. It wasn't really anything. I couldn't make up my mind on Dariush because my reads on him at that point did not strongly point one way or the other. This is still the case.Uh... huh. So you're saying you essentially waffled and then promised to take action in a way that wouldn't actually require you doing anything (an even more passive position than what I thought it was). Tell me, since when was it your policy to not do anything with regards to people you aren't sure about? I mean... for instance, breadbocks had been voting Dariush for most of the games, and you're convinced breadbocks was scum. Do you think it looked like bussing? Why so or why not?
Shame on me for going after the people I suspect.
This is pointless.
Just like Leafsnail right? I believe there is a reason for everything. I'm going to get you today scum.I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious so I will be asking everybody that voted him yesterday, now that his role has been revealed as town, what do you actually plan to do today instead of sitting on your votes/hands?You should know better than to pick your suspects from the list of people who mislynched a town, and why that's a bad idea, but here you are doing it anyway. I don't know what to think, except that you're probably scum if you're going to play it like it's a good idea.
But I'll answer your question anyway:
See you lynched.
He muttered about with it stalling for the day end and describing his argument with Leafsnail as "dumb" and "pointless".Jim Groovester, I don't like at all that argument you had with Leafsnail yesterday. You invalid his points by calling them completely useless and pointless until the day is over.And what about that argument do you dislike?
You killed an innocent man.I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspiciousArrite. Why?
From Meph's opening post. Plus I don't see any scum teams who would kill Pandarsenic first night. Unless something crazy happened yesterday.Explain.The Advanced Doppelganger replace has to be used in lieu of the normal dopp kill.I believe this happened as well, although you are original scum.
You spent an awful lot of time distancing yourself from Pandarsenic. And only Pandarsenic. Why, people had to point out to you that there were other lurkers in the game.How have I distanced myself from Pandarsenic? Is it my fault if Pandarsenic asks me questions? Should I have ignored him instead then? Which I think would would work better for distancing instead.
This was the last significant post replying to Leafsnail. You asked Leafsnail to farther define his points which have been doing for one and a half pages at that point and the end of the day was coming very shortly. Your second reply is a completely dead stop that is just trying to halt conversation. There is no way Leafsnail would be able to save himself at that point and all the five people voting him never moved like static dummies. I don't like it.
You killed an innocent man.
He got my attention because I hate when he does his "mid-term" deal thing and completely does nothing the whole day. It actually seems my suspicious was right since he's not here today. If anything I was being helpful yesterday with my blue text on people.I'm talking about stuff like this:You spent an awful lot of time distancing yourself from Pandarsenic. And only Pandarsenic. Why, people had to point out to you that there were other lurkers in the game.How have I distanced myself from Pandarsenic? Is it my fault if Pandarsenic asks me questions? Should I have ignored him instead then? Which I think would would work better for distancing instead.These are completely empty and meaningless gestures of suspicion. If you really cared about lurkers you would've FoSed the others before you got called out on it and not just Pandarsenic.Spoiler: This (click to show/hide)
Why did Pandarsenic get your sole attention for lurkers when there were others out there you were ignoring?
His points weren't bad though. He was actively attacking you and you didn't know what to do. I can tell because why would Jim ever let somebody call him scum and get away if he knew they were done for soon.This was the last significant post replying to Leafsnail. You asked Leafsnail to farther define his points which have been doing for one and a half pages at that point and the end of the day was coming very shortly. Your second reply is a completely dead stop that is just trying to halt conversation. There is no way Leafsnail would be able to save himself at that point and all the five people voting him never moved like static dummies. I don't like it.I asked Leafsnail to back up his accusations with evidence. He repeatedly called my play passive and attempted to justify it with generalizations of my posts. I asked for specific examples. He came back with a fraction of one.
Leafsnail had nothing and I told him as much. How long do I have to argue with bad arguments before the both of us have made our points? Endlessly? Not a chance.
Because we need to seek out our suspicions. Unlike you, I want to find the hidden truths from anything I can find. What I have right now is good and I want to stick with it. What are you going to do? I'm hunting scum with any suspicions I can get. I don't know what you're doing at all besides sitting there playing the mafia man with secrets.You killed an innocent man.Oh, come on. This is amateurish scum play.
Scum take the moral high ground after a mislynch because it gives them an easy position to attack people from. An easy, but completely fallacious position, because going after mislynchers is a dead end. It's, like, one of the most common and obvious scum tells.
You should know this. Why are you pressing this line of thought? (Hint: It's because you are scum.)
He got my attention because I hate when he does his "mid-term" deal thing and completely does nothing the whole day. It actually seems my suspicious was right since he's not here today. If anything I was being helpful yesterday with my blue text on people.
His points weren't bad though. He was actively attacking you and you didn't know what to do. I can tell because why would Jim ever let somebody call him scum and get away if he knew they were done for soon.
Because we need to seek out our suspicions. Unlike you, I want to find the hidden truths from anything I can find. What I have right now is good and I want to stick with it. What are you going to do? I'm hunting scum with any suspicions I can get. I don't know what you're doing at all besides sitting there playing the mafia man with secrets.
You killed an innocent man.I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspiciousArrite. Why?
From Meph's opening post. Plus I don't see any scum teams who would kill Pandarsenic first night. Unless something crazy happened yesterday.Explain.The Advanced Doppelganger replace has to be used in lieu of the normal dopp kill.I believe this happened as well, although you are original scum.
Hopefully tomorrow there will be more people posting since it's already tonight where I live and there hasn't been much activity besides two posts.
LNCP: Are either of your targets scummy enough for a vote?
My mistake. It was Pandarsenic, your scumbuddy..
Plus I don't see any scum teams who would kill Pandarsenic first night.Guys, this isn't a restaurant.
How, exactly, did breadbocks differ in any way from the targets of your previous OMGUSes?You confuse terms 'OMGUS' and 'vote', I'm afraid.
And tell me how, exactly, you find scum by sitting on your ass and flailing at whoever happens to question you.Since when is 'answering questions' classified as 'flailing'?
Wow, that is the most blatant OMGUS I've ever seen. Your only argument seems to be 'You argued with someone who flipped town and you VOTED him!!! SCUM!!!!!'. Why would that be?Anyways, ToonyMan, I guess the kill didn't go off like you wanted it, huh?I didn't kill anybody yesterday.
Jim Groovester, I don't like at all that argument you had with Leafsnail yesterday. You invalid his points by calling them completely useless and pointless until the day is over. I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious so I will be asking everybody that voted him yesterday, now that his role has been revealed as town, what do you actually plan to do today instead of sitting on your votes/hands?
I've already admitted my mistake of focusing on Pandarsenic too much for his active-lurking so if it will please you any I'll FoS Darvi and BD as well.
I guess I can't do much on my old vote until the replacement for BD comes in, so Dariush: a while back, in your post where you voted breadbocks, you preemptively defended yourself against two arguments: the OMGUS of your vote and 'answering questions directed to another'. Why were you worried about people attacking you to the point you felt the need to defend yourself ahead of time? Why did you get aggressive about the particulars of if Toaster was accusing you or not? Why so worried about 'answering questions directed to another' when you were actually questioning EvilTwin's responses? This gets me because EvilTwin didn't ask a single question, nor did you answer any. Why worry about that then?I warned about incoming OMGUS because there's a crapload of people (yes, I'm looking in your direction, LNCP) that will cry foul despite whatever arguments will accompany the vote if it was directed at someone who already had a vote on the voter. The same reason goes for answering questions directed to another. Call it paranoia.
I didn't ignore everybody else. I mentioned Darius, Darvi, and BD as well.He got my attention because I hate when he does his "mid-term" deal thing and completely does nothing the whole day. It actually seems my suspicious was right since he's not here today. If anything I was being helpful yesterday with my blue text on people.Or, your suspicions were right because you knew he was your partner.
You still haven't answered the other half of the question. Why did you ignore everybody else?
Can you please point where? I don't know what see what you're asking at all.His points weren't bad though. He was actively attacking you and you didn't know what to do. I can tell because why would Jim ever let somebody call him scum and get away if he knew they were done for soon.What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't make any sense.
I'm seeking my suspicions. I am suspicious of you, Major Jim, so I am voting you. Although I admire you're ability to deflect my accusations.Because we need to seek out our suspicions. Unlike you, I want to find the hidden truths from anything I can find. What I have right now is good and I want to stick with it. What are you going to do? I'm hunting scum with any suspicions I can get. I don't know what you're doing at all besides sitting there playing the mafia man with secrets.I see most of your accusations lie outside the realm of reality.
Pffffft, hidden truths. This isn't FMA, ToonyElric.
Lynching mafia on the first day severely cripples their power and leads to a much more likely town win. I would also like you to explain how my reasons are "bullshit". Unless you have something good to say that can help us win.Mislynches happen all the time, boy. Deal.You killed an innocent man.I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspiciousArrite. Why?
You've got nothing and you know it, which is why you're reverting to bullshit reasons like this so you can find a lynch. You could've at least been a bit more subtle.
No, I have no idea what Jim is but he certainly isn't human.Okay, I'm feeling really dumb right now. Did you mean that you think Jim is a vanilla dopp?From Meph's opening post. Plus I don't see any scum teams who would kill Pandarsenic first night. Unless something crazy happened yesterday.Explain.The Advanced Doppelganger replace has to be used in lieu of the normal dopp kill.I believe this happened as well, although you are original scum.
Hopefully tomorrow there will be more people posting since it's already tonight where I live and there hasn't been much activity besides two posts.
Toony: Do you have a case that doesn't suck on:My case doesn't suck. I want to really do this and Jim is my target currently. I'll be able to target more people when they actually post useful content or post at all. I'm still suspicious of Darius from yesterday so we'll be getting there soon.
1) Jim
2) Anyone else?
What are you actually even doing?My mistake. It was Pandarsenic, your scumbuddy..Plus I don't see any scum teams who would kill Pandarsenic first night.Guys, this isn't a restaurant.
The only reason this would be an OMGUS is because Jim voted first. I would have voted him if I was on sooner. If I seem to recall correctly you OMGUS'd someone yesterday so put a sock in it.Wow, that is the most blatant OMGUS I've ever seen. Your only argument seems to be 'You argued with someone who flipped town and you VOTED him!!! SCUM!!!!!'. Why would that be?Anyways, ToonyMan, I guess the kill didn't go off like you wanted it, huh?I didn't kill anybody yesterday.
Jim Groovester, I don't like at all that argument you had with Leafsnail yesterday. You invalid his points by calling them completely useless and pointless until the day is over. I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious so I will be asking everybody that voted him yesterday, now that his role has been revealed as town, what do you actually plan to do today instead of sitting on your votes/hands?
And as to your question... Why do you care? Mislynches happen constantly. breadbocks was dripping scumminess so he went to noose for that. We're going to take that into account and move on with scumhunt. Now stop buddying (the dead) and do the same.I care because I need as much information as I can get to find the mafia. What's interesting is you just call it off as just a 'mislynch' like LNCP too...we could do better than that. Indifferent town really suck, you know? Especially the other ones that don't bother playing or talk about restaurants.
Pray tell us, Toony, what have YOU found out yesterday? Most of your posts consisted of at most two-line useless remarks, the rest was spent on pounding Pandar and defending breadsnail. And what the fuck was the following?!I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at. Have any way to be useful? How about a scum suspicion list? That would be good.
I'm still around. I'm interested to hear what Toaster has to say about Pandar's disappearance. It seems like you've been awfully quite today.Glad to have you here...
I'm still around. I'm interested to hear what Toaster has to say about Pandar's disappearance. It seems like you've been awfully quite today.
Guys, this isn't a restaurant.
I didn't ignore everybody else. I mentioned Darius, Darvi, and BD as well.
Can you please point where? I don't know what see what you're asking at all.His points weren't bad though. He was actively attacking you and you didn't know what to do. I can tell because why would Jim ever let somebody call him scum and get away if he knew they were done for soon.What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't make any sense.
I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at. Have any way to be useful? How about a scum suspicion list? That would be good.
I guess there's a chance any game that I don't mention by name every damn player the first day or maybe even the whole game. Did you successfully "interact" with everybody day 1?I didn't ignore everybody else. I mentioned Darius, Darvi, and BD as well.Of course. And that's the problem. You only mentioned them. That's the extent of your interaction or suspicion with other lurkers besides Pandarsenic. In other words, bullshit.
I guess we won't be getting anywhere with this route. You are completely avoiding what I am accusing you of. You did not "get to the meat" of Leafsnail the day just ended for you and your buddies.I've bolded all the parts that don't make sense.Can you please point where? I don't know what see what you're asking at all.His points weren't bad though. He was actively attacking you and you didn't know what to do. I can tell because why would Jim ever let somebody call him scum and get away if he knew they were done for soon.What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't make any sense.
I don't get what point you're trying to make. People call me scum all the time, and they get away with it because I go straight to the meat of their accusations and refute them. If you're trying to make a meta argument, it sucks, and isn't actually based on my meta, so I suggest you do something about those two things and try again, or explain your point better.
Maybe if other players actually did something, I know I'm right though. Don't dismiss my credibility.I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at. Have any way to be useful? How about a scum suspicion list? That would be good.So all your attackers are the scum team?
Well, aren't you just a font of credibility.
I warned about incoming OMGUS because there's a crapload of people (yes, I'm looking in your direction, LNCP) that will cry foul despite whatever arguments will accompany the vote if it was directed at someone who already had a vote on the voter. The same reason goes for answering questions directed to another. Call it paranoia.
Wow, you don't stop at OMGUSing someone out of the blue, you admit to doing it and your only explanation is 'you did it too' (even though I explained my actions and you didn't)? Hang, scum.Wow, that is the most blatant OMGUS I've ever seen. Your only argument seems to be 'You argued with someone who flipped town and you VOTED him!!! SCUM!!!!!'. Why would that be?The only reason this would be an OMGUS is because Jim voted first. I would have voted him if I was on sooner. If I seem to recall correctly you OMGUS'd someone yesterday so put a sock in it.
Oh sure, we should be instead fussing over who could do such a terrible deed.And as to your question... Why do you care? Mislynches happen constantly. breadbocks was dripping scumminess so he went to noose for that. We're going to take that into account and move on with scumhunt. Now stop buddying (the dead) and do the same.I care because I need as much information as I can get to find the mafia. What's interesting is you just call it off as just a 'mislynch' like LNCP too...we could do better than that. Indifferent town really suck, you know? Especially the other ones that don't bother playing or talk about restaurants.
Wow, that's sudden. Any explanations about your perfect deductions? How about answering my last question? And no scumlist for you until all this replacement shit gets sorted out and everyone posts his thoughts.Pray tell us, Toony, what have YOU found out yesterday? Most of your posts consisted of at most two-line useless remarks, the rest was spent on pounding Pandar and defending breadsnail. And what the fuck was the following?!I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at. Have any way to be useful? How about a scum suspicion list? That would be good.
To be honest, I don't remember why I wrote 'answering questions directed at another'. What I meant was that I was interested in his answers and the suspicious questions he gave Toaster. Why are you so questioning of that exact phrase? Are you desperately seeking a foothold against me?I warned about incoming OMGUS because there's a crapload of people (yes, I'm looking in your direction, LNCP) that will cry foul despite whatever arguments will accompany the vote if it was directed at someone who already had a vote on the voter. The same reason goes for answering questions directed to another. Call it paranoia.Firstly, your reasoning should be sufficient to stand on its own, if it's a good vote. Secondly, this only answers half my question. What questions of EvilTwin did you answer? I'm looking at the post, and I don't see questions, I only see responses. I'm wondering not just why you preemptively defended yourself, I'm wondering why you defended yourself against a accusation that seems hollow to me. Care to explain why you felt that you were answering questions meant for another?
Dariush had flip-flop OMGUSes early game, with him unable to come up with a straight answer for voting me before giving up and going after Breadbocks with a bandwagon OMGUS combo. His D2 post is better than his D1 ones, but he's hardly putting forth great effort or originality into hunting.Heh, originality, heh. Trying to deduce scum based on amount of vowels in their posts or by the current weather? And I'm explaining for the... what, fourth time? My vote for you about probabilities was a randomvote, I wanted to see how you would hold out. You held pretty well, so I moved on with my hunting. Now, you yourself look pretty damn quite and inactive, nothing like your usual hyperagressive self. Maybe you should start scumhunting? What is your opinion on Jim?
Why did I replace into this game?!?! Blargh. Like I said, anyone wanna recap for me?
Jim:
Why are you ignoring and indirectly buddying me?
Claiming you know you're right is an excuse to hold your vote where it is without justification.Because I think I'm right? That's why my vote is on you in the first place.
Now why would you need to say that?
ToonyMan: Why all the tunnelling on Jim? Why freaking out so much over Jim and not the other people who voted breadbocks? Why did your suspect list only come out after you were attacked? If Jim's really 'deflected your accusations', then what are you going to do now? Why did you not mention other lurkers until pointed out otherwise? Why were you so focused on Pandarsenic's lurking but never voting him on it?Well to build an attack on somebody you need to actually say stuff to them. My suspect list came after only because it was asked for I think? I know I said it with full confidence though. What I want to do now is have other people actually play the game. There's four people who could be talking and voting people which is making today a very slow day thanks to the absent, oh well, I'm tired. I would have voted Pandarsenic but I was voting Dariush at the time, who I found more suspicious for his faulty logic I believe.
TooooneeeeyMan:Where did I admit it? As I said my vote would have clearly been on him if I was on earlier. I can't prove that but that's the price to pay.Wow, you don't stop at OMGUSing someone out of the blue, you admit to doing it and your only explanation is 'you did it too' (even though I explained my actions and you didn't)? Hang, scum.Wow, that is the most blatant OMGUS I've ever seen. Your only argument seems to be 'You argued with someone who flipped town and you VOTED him!!! SCUM!!!!!'. Why would that be?The only reason this would be an OMGUS is because Jim voted first. I would have voted him if I was on sooner. If I seem to recall correctly you OMGUS'd someone yesterday so put a sock in it.
Or maybe being helpful and hunting scum?Oh sure, we should be instead fussing over who could do such a terrible deed.And as to your question... Why do you care? Mislynches happen constantly. breadbocks was dripping scumminess so he went to noose for that. We're going to take that into account and move on with scumhunt. Now stop buddying (the dead) and do the same.I care because I need as much information as I can get to find the mafia. What's interesting is you just call it off as just a 'mislynch' like LNCP too...we could do better than that. Indifferent town really suck, you know? Especially the other ones that don't bother playing or talk about restaurants.
Dariush comes up from yesterday, you don't just change into town during the night so you're suspcions still hold from Day 1. Jim comes from do I have to even explain it again, and LNCP would be a third choice because of his indifference to hunting scum and based on his 'mislynch' opinions. Thanks for not answering my questions though, you're not being helpful at all again #2 scum pick.Wow, that's sudden. Any explanations about your perfect deductions? How about answering my last question? And no scumlist for you until all this replacement shit gets sorted out and everyone posts his thoughts.Pray tell us, Toony, what have YOU found out yesterday? Most of your posts consisted of at most two-line useless remarks, the rest was spent on pounding Pandar and defending breadsnail. And what the fuck was the following?!I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at. Have any way to be useful? How about a scum suspicion list? That would be good.
Why did I replace into this game?!?! Blargh. Like I said, anyone wanna recap for me?
Toaster:Dariush had flip-flop OMGUSes early game, with him unable to come up with a straight answer for voting me before giving up and going after Breadbocks with a bandwagon OMGUS combo. His D2 post is better than his D1 ones, but he's hardly putting forth great effort or originality into hunting.Heh, originality, heh. Trying to deduce scum based on amount of vowels in their posts or by the current weather? And I'm explaining for the... what, fourth time? My vote for you about probabilities was a randomvote, I wanted to see how you would hold out. You held pretty well, so I moved on with my hunting. Now, you yourself look pretty damn quite and inactive, nothing like your usual hyperagressive self. Maybe you should start scumhunting? What is your opinion on Jim?
Toony: Your case was crap then and still is. You didn't mention those lurkers until I specifically asked you about them. You were going after Pandar for a reason, and it's not because you had a problem with his lurking. Why?
Toony: You missed this question.I wasn't going after Pandarsenic for lurking for any particular reason, it's just what happened. I took notice of his 'mid-term' excuses (as I've said) too much.Toony: Your case was crap then and still is. You didn't mention those lurkers until I specifically asked you about them. You were going after Pandar for a reason, and it's not because you had a problem with his lurking. Why?
Work devouring life.I just had my High School Graduation man, can you at least post your thoughts and suspicions?
I don't want to ask for a replace but it's teetering at that point. Just...if I can make it through this weekend then I can be more active. Bear with me.
Horrible participation is horrible.
Where the fuck is everybody?
Jokerman:I'm still around. I'm interested to hear what Toaster has to say about Pandar's disappearance. It seems like you've been awfully quite today.
Says the person whose first post of the day is this.
It's possible he was killed- it's possible he was advanced dopp. Wondering too much about it is WIFOM, hence why I hadn't said anything about it.
What do you think about it? Why are you being awfully quiet?
Jokerman: are you going to join in? You've contributed awfully little to date, with some RV questions and then a vote on Pandarsenic for lurking. You then promptly lurked through Thursday, only coming in when prodded. What do you think about ToonyMan now? You mentioned you had suspicions of him yesterday. How about now?
Toony and Jim: The way you two just suddendly set aside your differences and joined hand-in-hand to slay lurkers is cute.
However, why just one?
How, exactly, did breadbocks differ in any way from the targets of your previous OMGUSes?You confuse terms 'OMGUS' and 'vote', I'm afraid.
And tell me how, exactly, you find scum by sitting on your ass and flailing at whoever happens to question you.
Since when is 'answering questions' classified as 'flailing'?
I explained all my arguments against breadbocks, at least twice. If you didn't see that, don't question me.
Now, LNCP... On the first day you were active and questioning, on second you start ignoring everyone except for Toony and myself. Why the sudden change? Were you converted at night?
Pray tell us, Toony, what have YOU found out yesterday? Most of your posts consisted of at most two-line useless remarks, the rest was spent on pounding Pandar and defending breadsnail. And what the fuck was the following?!I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at. Have any way to be useful? How about a scum suspicion list? That would be good.
LNCP: Lurk alert on you. Could you reiterate your top three picks with reasons? Anything new since your last post?
Think and Darvi for being quiet and/or useless.Sayeth the pot. 10-hour D&D session yesterday + LotR marathon Saturday = not many posts from Think0028.
Hoho, I've already answered that.How and why?Pray tell us, Toony, what have YOU found out yesterday? Most of your posts consisted of at most two-line useless remarks, the rest was spent on pounding Pandar and defending breadsnail. And what the fuck was the following?!I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at. Have any way to be useful? How about a scum suspicion list? That would be good.
Dariush comes up from yesterday, you don't just change into town during the night so you're suspcions still hold from Day 1. Jim comes from do I have to even explain it again, and LNCP would be a third choice because of his indifference to hunting scum and based on his 'mislynch' opinions.
Toony: Why suddenly deciding to work with Jim, your scumtarget #1?Hey look people are posting a lot more suddenly (not the lurkers still though). This is way better than before and I'd rather choose a different target to come out than get stuck in a silent stalemate where we run out of things to say to each other since nobody else is playing.
Unvote ToonyMan. I propose a policy lynch.I am actually going to agree with you here, Jimmy Dean. Lynching Darvi is a good idea, considering that using a meta-argument of his scummitude in Dethy, which he is also lurking in, and the fact that he was posting for several hours before posting in the lurking thread, which means he is, in fact, not trying to post at all and is lurking. I can get behind this LAL specifically because he's lurking hardcore.
Let's Lynch All Lurkers. We have so many to choose from.
Let's start with Darvi.
Jim: What made you think I meant Joker? I meant LNCP (who has posted now) and EvilTwin (who still hasn't.) Fair enough on your reasoning, though.
Toony: You missed another question from me. (Why just one target when going after lurkers?)Not one target. Choosing best option right now, can't choose other options unless I force them out with the red votes. This is useless if I can only vote one person. Better to stick to one target instead of nothing happening.
Fraulein Vector, how's your German test?
silent stalemate where we run out of things to say to each other since nobody else is playing.We're already there.
What do you make of Darvi and his shameless, deliberate lurking?
How come no one wants to talk to me?
Well, he asked for a replacement (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=68861.msg2372471#msg2372471) (cough Meph) so I guess I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Still reading the thread.
This is unusually high turnover for a Mafia game. What's going on?
Jokerman-Exe, how do you usually reintegrate yourself into the game after avoiding RVS? How well does that work for you?
Then, as soon as the conversation leaves RVS and enters the real game...
Jim:What do you make of Darvi and his shameless, deliberate lurking?
Well, he asked for a replacement (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=68861.msg2372471#msg2372471) (cough Meph) so I guess I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
How come no one wants to talk to me?
Still reading the thread.
Jim:What do you make of Darvi and his shameless, deliberate lurking?
Well, he asked for a replacement (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=68861.msg2372471#msg2372471) (cough Meph) so I guess I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
He was lurking up a storm well before he asked for a replacement. He only asked for it on Monday. It doesn't explain his lurking before that. And he was doing a lot of it.
I read his post. That's very nice of you to come out in his defense, though. Why are you bothering?
Good points?
So what does that mean? You agree with me about him being lurking scum?
webadict, I realise you can't read your replace's mind, but do you have anything to say regarding BDthemag's behaviour D1+2?I haven't even had time to read Day 1 and Day 2, nor do I find an interest in doing so now. I can't read my predecessor's mind, but it doesn't really matter as I'm Town. I can't say anything else about anything as I haven't even clicked the link.
He had asked a few questions at the start of the game, which were then promptly abandoned. The only notable action that he did afterward was to jump on my question to breadbocks here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2339312#msg2339312). When asked for some reasoning behind the jump by several people, he conveniently disappeared, and the only post made after that was chucking out a few more useless questions, blatantly ignoring said requests.
I really hate this, but at this point I almost want to ask for a reboot.
This'll be, what, 6 replacements in a 13p game? And everyone else is lurking? I don't think there's any way we're going to get that many, and, frankly, I don't think that all of us want to read over 20 pages of people lurking and dropping.
But, that's just me.
Might be worthwhile, if most of the active players would prefer a reboot. This is certainly a large % of replacements!
Is it cool if we post our old roles?
Just saw the results, and gotta say. Called Dariush being Anti-Town. Called it.Well congratulations. Make use of that ability next game.
lol, I told you Toaster was scum. :P
Meph, what kind of Hivemind was Dariush? I remember some discussion in the rules thread that there were different limitations to who the Hivemind can convert based on whether they picked Tech or Psychic Hivemind, like the tech Hivemind would convert players guarding the intended target instead of the target itself.
Were those all done away with?
Here we go, it was right here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=34959.msg1806299#msg1806299). By the differences listed there I should not have been converted at all, because of Bdthemag's protection.