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Title: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 -Rebooting
Post by: Mephansteras on April 28, 2011, 12:45:15 pm
Time for another Paranormal!

Min players - 9
Max players - 16

Player List:

Note: EvilTwin replaced mysteriousbluepuppet
        Leafsnail replaced breadbocks
        Webadict replaced Bdthemag
        Vector replaced JanusTwoface
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Mephansteras on April 28, 2011, 12:45:38 pm
Here are the current rules:

Here is the (current) list of possible roles:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Definitions:
    Doppelganger: These foul creatures kill and eat humans, taking on all of their memories and abilities. Once they have a form, most doppelgagners cannot change again. They are a flawed species, and possess and uncontrollable bloodlust forcing them to kill and eat humans each night. Their goal is to destroy all of the humans in the town and make their way out into the larger world.
    Night Kill: Any kill that happens during the Night Phase. The Doppelgangers and Cultists each get 1 Night Kill as a group, in addition to any allowed by Roles.
    Morningkill: A morning kill happens between the night and day phase, and cannot be prevented by abilities that prevent night kills. (Such as the Guardian)
    Abduction: When a player abducts another player, two things happen. First, the abducted player is role-blocked for the night. Second, that player is removed from play for that night (and possibly the game). While removed, they cannot be the target of any other night action and cannot vote or be lynched during the day. Exceptions: The Paranoid War Vet and Sentry Gun are not role-blocked by an abduction, and will kill the player attempting the abduction. Abducted players are not role-flipped until their abductor leaves the game.



I've written a perl script to pick roles and whatnot randomly. It has some rules that it follows, but it should make for a nice amount of randomness to the set-up. Note that while I'll generally just go with whatever it spits out, I may make modifications to the set-up in order to make a more interesting game or to test out a specific feature. Also note that I will intentionally mess or not mess with stuff just to screw up anyone depending on the Gambler's Fallacy.

Not all roles are guaranteed. In fact, it's quite possible to have a game with nothing but normal doppelgangers and humans.


General Rules:
 
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

  Feel free to ask for clarification on any rule.
 

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Darvi on April 28, 2011, 12:48:38 pm
So in.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Toaster on April 28, 2011, 01:08:36 pm
In
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 28, 2011, 01:52:10 pm
In.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 28, 2011, 02:14:04 pm
inb4alienexterminator
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: lordnincompoop on April 28, 2011, 02:36:57 pm
Will spectate.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on April 28, 2011, 02:42:34 pm
In as long as you don't need help modding. I'm more than happy to, of course.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on April 28, 2011, 07:13:06 pm
Will In.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Dariush on April 29, 2011, 07:59:58 am
In.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Ottofar on April 29, 2011, 08:44:49 am
I'd like to, but uh.

My activity's been horrible recently. I'll just wait for some games to end from my part.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Dariush on April 30, 2011, 11:23:21 am
*looks at the thread in disbelief*

*refreshes the page a couple of times*

*continues staring at the thread in disbelief*

Why the hell is this filling up so slowly not at all?!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: lordnincompoop on April 30, 2011, 02:53:15 pm
To be fair, this is around the time people have tests and stuff.

I don't have that many, but I'm staying out of new games for now for fear of being bombed with work halfway through a game.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Mr.Person on May 01, 2011, 03:07:11 am
I'm not able to play at the moment, sorry.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Darvi on May 02, 2011, 01:35:35 am
Out Again. I have exams in 3 weeks and I doubt the game will be over 'til then.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Mephansteras on May 02, 2011, 01:09:16 pm
Hmm. Well, guess I'll leave the game in sign-ups for a bit. Looks like the subforum is a bit dead right now, though.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: lordnincompoop on May 02, 2011, 03:18:08 pm
To be fair, this is around the time people have tests and stuff.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Darvi on May 02, 2011, 03:19:15 pm
Yeah. I'll be done around end June.

I can spoilspec though. :3
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Jack A T on May 04, 2011, 06:17:39 pm
In!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Toaster on May 09, 2011, 01:02:18 pm
This is a very sad and lonely thread.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: webadict on May 09, 2011, 02:40:50 pm
I would play, but I was disappointed by last game and the overall anti-Town sentiment.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Toaster on May 09, 2011, 02:44:18 pm
Be the change you want to see in this world.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: webadict on May 09, 2011, 04:51:41 pm
Which is why my games are equal treatment for scum and town, and I enforce Extensions so long as there is more for than against. Plus, I don't make them 24 hour extensions, but 48 hour ones.

My only problem is my deadlines are very... Flexible? Not the best thing to have.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Mephansteras on May 09, 2011, 07:25:54 pm
My extensions are 24 hour because everyone gets bored if I do 48 hour ones and just shortens them anyway, unless it's a weekend in which case it gets extended to Monday anyway.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Think0028 on May 21, 2011, 01:39:19 am
In. This looks like it'll be fun.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Jack A T on June 01, 2011, 01:30:21 am
Out.  Time issues, test issues, summer issues...
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: ToonyMan on June 01, 2011, 07:42:40 pm
You can count me in for this one.  My work and situation has pretty much worked itself out so I can relax more now.  Plus I just want to see how I'll do.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Mephansteras on June 02, 2011, 10:06:42 pm
It'll be a little while before I can start. Been super busy lately and I don't have a computer at my new job yet. But I think I'll shoot for starting on the 13th or so.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 03, 2011, 03:18:33 am
In, if we start after June 10th.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Ottofar on June 03, 2011, 09:29:03 am
Now that the school's over, and that BYOR is in 5p and this game is so low on signups and stuff I guess I might in.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 03, 2011, 05:09:19 pm
Now that the school's over, and that BYOR is in 5p and this game is so low on signups and stuff I guess I might in.

But you don't play the Mafia games you join.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Darvi on June 03, 2011, 05:10:16 pm
Now that the school's over, and that BYOR is in 5p and this game is so low on signups and stuff I guess I might in.

But you don't play the Mafia games you join.
QFFT (quoted for fucking truth)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Ottofar on June 04, 2011, 01:55:14 am
I'm gonna play this one

I'm gonna do that. Now.

Editing, because I'm Out, due to a camp starting on 14th of June, as opposed to the 14t of July.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Bdthemag on June 04, 2011, 06:41:43 pm
In, I seem to have alot of free time lately.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Mephansteras on June 06, 2011, 11:39:40 am
Final call for sign-ups. Game will start tomorrow.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Darvi on June 06, 2011, 11:42:18 am
I think that my next exams won't take too much of my time.

Just saying in advance, BD's the alien exterminator.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Bdthemag on June 06, 2011, 01:07:45 pm
I think that my next exams won't take too much of my time.

Just saying in advance, BD's the alien exterminator.
Lies.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Darvi on June 06, 2011, 01:13:49 pm
Says the guy who went to prison for assassination. Or something.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Dariush on June 06, 2011, 01:42:29 pm
Ottofar opted out, didn't he? (just a reminder so you don't accidentally start with him)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 06, 2011, 01:57:12 pm
I am the godfather! It is me!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: ToonyMan on June 06, 2011, 02:38:15 pm
I wonder if I'll roll alien again.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Bdthemag on June 06, 2011, 03:26:21 pm
Says the guy who went to prison for assassination. Or something.
It was for a bar fight, obviously.

*bastard five*
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Darvi on June 06, 2011, 03:35:52 pm
That's not what the rumours say.

The rumours that you started...

Oh shut up.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 06, 2011, 10:57:02 pm
I think that my next exams won't take too much of my time.

Just saying in advance, BD's the alien exterminator.

SOMEONE MUSCLING IN ON MAH TURF!?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: JanusTwoface on June 06, 2011, 11:27:55 pm
Summertime seems worth giving this another chance. For Paranormal at the very least. :)

In.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Mephansteras on June 06, 2011, 11:31:30 pm
Slight modification: Game will start Wednesday. I don't think I'll have time tomorrow.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: breadbocks on June 07, 2011, 12:25:42 am
In, if it's not too late.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Dariush on June 08, 2011, 10:32:15 am
Maybe we should wait for a couple more people?...
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 08, 2011, 10:48:58 am
I think we'll have the whole host by Wednesday.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Dariush on June 08, 2011, 11:13:36 am
Actually, Wednesday is TODAY :o
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 08, 2011, 11:22:31 am
I think he means next Wednesday, seeing as his post was this Tuesday.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Mephansteras on June 08, 2011, 11:24:29 am
Game will start later today.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: JanusTwoface on June 08, 2011, 12:15:05 pm
Maybe we should wait for a couple more people?...
Considering the first signups were in April, I don't think that terribly many more people will join. :)

And 13 always seems an appropriate number for Mafia.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Think0028 on June 08, 2011, 12:40:24 pm
Agreed, 13 is a good number of people. It's odd, which makes the game generally resolve more neatly, it's fairly large allowing for a good long game, but not so large that you get drowned out early on.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: EvilTwin on June 08, 2011, 08:12:44 pm
In if you'd like one more before the start :)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Mephansteras on June 08, 2011, 08:18:10 pm
In if you'd like one more before the start :)

Aww, sorry, just finished sending out role PMs.

I'll put you first on the replace list if it becomes necessary, though.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Signups
Post by: Mephansteras on June 08, 2011, 08:19:17 pm

A nice quiet scientific outpost up in the northern ice sheets. Basic science, trying to track the status of the ice flows and the animals of the north. It’s also cold, dark, and secluded in the winter.

And now, it’s about to become a deathtrap.

Two days ago, one of the survey team discovered three doppelganger pods in a glacial fissure.

Last night, the head of the research team turned up dead. What little you found of him, at least.

You’ve radioed in for help, but with the bad weather you’ve been having lately it’ll be days or weeks before anyone can reach you. You’ll need to deal with the situation on your own.




Day 1 has started. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Friday

Just in case anyone is confused, you are Town aligned unless your PM says otherwise.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 08, 2011, 08:21:32 pm
Jim:  What do you think is the best way to stop a dopp vig?


Pandar:  Based on P18, do you think it is a good idea to claim Kook in your first post?


Relevant, because I'm a Kook again. 
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: JanusTwoface on June 08, 2011, 08:25:14 pm
And so it begins. It's been a while. Let's put those dopps back in the ice shall we?

Some questions off the bat:
- Think0028 and Bdthemag. Have you mafia'd on this subforum before? Links would be nice. Yes, I could find out myself, but this is easier.
- Toaster, of the three Scientist types, which do you think would be the easiest to play as a Dopp? Which would be hardest?
- lordnincompoop, who do you think the easiest 2 people are to read in this game?



PPE:

Relevant, because I'm a Kook again. 
Sigh. Kooks definitely serve their monkey-wrenchy purpose.

Are you suggesting that any other potential Kooks claim as well?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 08, 2011, 08:41:17 pm
ToonyMan, it's been a while. How rusty are you?

Also, say you're an Agent Operative. What's your loadout?

Jim:  What do you think is the best way to stop a dopp vig?

Complain to the mod to never ever ever have them in a game ever.

I'm not really sure what to do. They're pretty damn powerful, and by the time it's apparent that they're really dopps it's probably too late to do anything about it. If there's an Agent around, he should probably make it a high priority to inspect any vigilantes, and maybe Psychic Wardens should just lock down any vigilantes if them misfiring would lead to an impossible final day scenario like the last Paranormal ended up being.

I wish there were a better answer to them besides 'luck' and 'hope the Exterminator kills some dopps'.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 08, 2011, 08:44:07 pm
Well, rusty enough that I never received my role PM.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: breadbocks on June 08, 2011, 09:03:33 pm
This will certainly be interesting, especially considering any role could be miller kook, rather than just one.

Dariush, if you were a Scientist of any type, what tool would you choose?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 08, 2011, 09:10:48 pm
Well, rusty enough that I never received my role PM.

I hope that doesn't mean we're going to have to reroll all the roles.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 08, 2011, 09:15:13 pm
Pandar:  Based on P18, do you think it is a good idea to claim Kook in your first post?


Relevant, because I'm a Kook again.

Better than the alternative.

Jim: Hope so, too. -.-
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 08, 2011, 09:19:35 pm
Janus:  Easiest as in least effort/thinking required or best for team?  If easiest, probably Cutting Edge, as Body Double requires no thinking- it's a one shot revive.  If best for team, I'd say Intelligence, but that's because I like information to bolster the "informed" part of "informed minority."


Pandar:  Fair enough.  Unvote Pandar.


Darvi:  Which alien would you most like to be?


Think:  Have you read any previous Paranormals?  If so, what's the most important thing you learned from them?  (If not, you should- I suggest 15 or 16.)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Bdthemag on June 08, 2011, 09:45:51 pm
Janus: Yes I have, only once though in the latest BYOR. Im a bit ashamed of my my inactivity and it wasn't a very good game on my part.

Toaster: What Doppleganger role do you think would be the most harmful towards town?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Think0028 on June 08, 2011, 10:07:41 pm
Jokerman-EXE: What dopp roles would you be most worried about? Alien roles?

JanusTwoface: Just finished BMXXIII  (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=84271.0) and Beginner's Vengeful I (it's at the top of the forum, I think you can find it). I was town in both of them.

Toaster: So far, that dopp vigs are way overpowered. I'll take a look at those, thanks for the recommendation.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 08, 2011, 10:12:48 pm
ToonyMan, there was a second part to my randomvote.

Also, say you're an Agent Operative. What's your loadout?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 08, 2011, 10:13:35 pm
You know what, never mind. Don't bother answering that until you have a role.

It's pointless trying to get reads on people who don't know their alignment.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 08, 2011, 10:16:49 pm
Yeah that's why I didn't answer it.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 08, 2011, 10:18:24 pm
BD:
Toaster: What Doppleganger role do you think would be the most harmful towards town?

Vig.  See P18 for why.  Next down is Advanced Dopp, because conversions are always nasty to deal with.


Jokerman:  Lurking yet?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 09, 2011, 02:22:05 am
Dariush, if you were a Scientist of any type, what tool would you choose?
Respectively, assassin bot, body double, surveillance system.
Well, rusty enough that I never received my role PM.

I hope that doesn't mean we're going to have to reroll all the roles.
Are you implying you've got some powerful ability you really don't want to part with?

Toaster, you do realize how unlikely it is to be Kook twice in a row? Also, last time you got under suspicion right off the bat. Why did you choose to employ the same tactic?

By the way, is ToonyMan the only one lacking his role?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 09, 2011, 02:46:33 am
Well, rusty enough that I never received my role PM.

I hope that doesn't mean we're going to have to reroll all the roles.
Are you implying you've got some powerful ability you really don't want to part with?

Nope. It would just be a waste of time if all our scumhunting was for naught because everybody got new roles and/or alignments.

Most games aren't suited to add new roles once the game starts and the roles have been sent out. If Meph forgot to put ToonyMan into his role matrix when he first made the roles, then adding him in after that's done would be problematic. It would be easier to start over since there isn't that much time lost anyway.

As an example of some of the problems that come up when that happens, in a Vote Mafia, webadict added in Pandarsenic after all the roles had been sent out. Unfortunately, this made Pandarsenic a confirmed townie since it was impossible to add him in as anything other than town.

Mod, are we going to have to start over or is everything fine?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: breadbocks on June 09, 2011, 02:49:03 am
Dariush, if you were a Scientist of any type, what tool would you choose?
Respectively, assassin bot, body double, surveillance system.
[/quote]Fair enough, Unvote Dariush

Jim: If you had to be a dopp, which role would you chose, and why?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 09, 2011, 03:23:02 am
*Twiddles thumbs*

I shan't lie,I don't feel like hunting scum until we have confirmation the game is, well, going.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Darvi on June 09, 2011, 03:59:38 am
Darvi:  Which alien would you most like to be?
The one that's still alive at the end. Alternatively, the spore spreader.

MBP, you going to actually play this game?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 09, 2011, 04:20:48 am
Jim: If you had to be a dopp, which role would you chose, and why?

If I had to be a dopp? You act like being scum is a an undesirable situation.

Given your experiences, I can see why.

Pwahahahahahahaha.

But I don't really care what role I get. I can wreck people's shit up with or without one, town or scum. But if I had to choose, I'd pick....

I dunno. Doppelganger Leader. Just let the passive town result work heavily in my favor. Why, I'd bet you were I a Doppelganger Leader I could get people to claim I was a confirmed townie, if the circumstances permitted it.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 09, 2011, 04:38:27 am
Unvote, vote breadbocks. My gut tells me you're a dopp scientist who doesn't know what to pick and asks experienced players, trying to make it look like a random RVS question. Tsk-tsk.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: breadbocks on June 09, 2011, 04:45:54 am
Or I could just not know what to ask, so I ask game relevant questions. That's kinda the point of RVS. You ask questions, look for scumtells, vote based on those scumtells. So, no. I'm not a dopp scientist, but thanks for trying.

Also, Unvote Jim. That was an interesting answer, to say the least.

Davi, I've not seen any games you've played. Mind linking them?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 09, 2011, 07:56:14 am
Dariush:
Toaster, you do realize how unlikely it is to be Kook twice in a row? Also, last time you got under suspicion right off the bat. Why did you choose to employ the same tactic?

I'm not afraid of a little heat.  I stand by everything I said regarding claiming Kook in that game.  Plus, it taught me two things:

1.  Arguments that use statistics are crap
2.  Scum like to use early kook claims as an attempt to drive a mislynch

Now I just have to look for someone doing both of those.  Have you seen anyone do that, Dariush?


Darvi:  Any particular reason why?


LNCP:  If you were a telepath, what circumstances would make you claim early?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 09, 2011, 08:26:56 am

1.  Arguments that use statistics are crap
Whatever, fuck statistics. That doesn't answer my question - why employ the same tactic that nearly got you lynched?
2.  Scum like to use early kook claims as an attempt to drive a mislynch
For a reaction to an RVS vote, that's rather far-fetched. Could you please say why you are so sure I'm going for an early lynch?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 09, 2011, 09:11:48 am
Congratulations, Dariush.  You just fell for the Org Theory of Scummitude.

I never said you were scum.  I was talking about Book's awful case on me in P18.  However, since you just assumed the scum I was talking about was you, I'll be more than happy to vote you.


Anyway, I thought it did answer you- it didn't actually get me lynched, and it flushed out scum.  From my experience that game I'm going to claim Kook every time I get it and suggest everyone else does the same.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 09, 2011, 09:19:27 am
I never said you were scum.  I was talking about Book's awful case on me in P18. 
Ah, so by saying
Now I just have to look for someone doing both of those.  Have you seen anyone do that, Dariush?
you didn't mean me. That's quite interesting...
However, since you just assumed the scum I was talking about was you, I'll be more than happy to vote you.
I didn't say you were scum, I specifically stated that it was a randomvote, which was provoked by you claiming Kook twice in a row. Maybe you're thinking about Book in P18 again?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: JanusTwoface on June 09, 2011, 09:21:27 am
Janus:  Easiest as in least effort/thinking required or best for team?  If easiest, probably Cutting Edge, as Body Double requires no thinking- it's a one shot revive.  If best for team, I'd say Intelligence, but that's because I like information to bolster the "informed" part of "informed minority."
What do you think when a Cutting Edge Scientist with a Body Double revives on lynch? Would that make them more or less suspicious looking?

(If a Body Double is used, alignment isn't revealed, just the use of the Body Double)

I hope that doesn't mean we're going to have to reroll all the roles.
Are you implying you've got some powerful ability you really don't want to part with?
Are you rolefishing?

Unvote, vote breadbocks. My gut tells me you're a dopp scientist who doesn't know what to pick and asks experienced players, trying to make it look like a random RVS question. Tsk-tsk.
This looks like you're trying to throw suspicion on him. If he were really a Dopp Scientist who didn't know what to pick, why in the world wouldn't he ask on the Dopp Chat? He'd have at least 2 scumbuddies to help him there.

Do you really think he'd ask in the open?

You just fell for the Org Theory of Scummitude.
Remind me. Which is this?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 09, 2011, 09:37:57 am
Janus:
Janus:  Easiest as in least effort/thinking required or best for team?  If easiest, probably Cutting Edge, as Body Double requires no thinking- it's a one shot revive.  If best for team, I'd say Intelligence, but that's because I like information to bolster the "informed" part of "informed minority."
What do you think when a Cutting Edge Scientist with a Body Double revives on lynch? Would that make them more or less suspicious looking?

(If a Body Double is used, alignment isn't revealed, just the use of the Body Double)

If they were a good choice to lynch the first time, I'd seriously doubt I'd change my mind the second time.  On the one hand, Body Double is a scummy choice, but on the other, none of the CE choices are particularly great for town.  The MCR, maybe.

You just fell for the Org Theory of Scummitude.
Remind me. Which is this?

IIRC, it's when a player addresses something to scum as a whole and someone responds to it as if it was addressed to them.  I referred to scum generically, and Dariush instantly assumed I was talking about him.


Dariush:
Oh, I meant you all right in regards to the question.  However, this line wasn't:

2.  Scum like to use early kook claims as an attempt to drive a mislynch

Let me break it down:  I said this is something scum likes to do.  I did not say you were doing it.  (I threw a weak implicit accusation at you, but didn't say specifically you were doing it.)  You responded by saying you weren't doing something I just said scum likes to do- defensive reaction.

Why are you pointing out that you didn't say I was scum?  I never said you did.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 09, 2011, 09:54:59 am
I hope that doesn't mean we're going to have to reroll all the roles.
Are you implying you've got some powerful ability you really don't want to part with?
Are you rolefishing?
I wanted to see his reaction. His reaction satisfied me.
Unvote, vote breadbocks. My gut tells me you're a dopp scientist who doesn't know what to pick and asks experienced players, trying to make it look like a random RVS question. Tsk-tsk.
This looks like you're trying to throw suspicion on him. If he were really a Dopp Scientist who didn't know what to pick, why in the world wouldn't he ask on the Dopp Chat? He'd have at least 2 scumbuddies to help him there.

Do you really think he'd ask in the open?
Again, just probing for the reaction. And framing that as an RVS question would at least save him the need to invent another one.
2.  Scum like to use early kook claims as an attempt to drive a mislynch

Let me break it down:  I said this is something scum likes to do.  I did not say you were doing it.  (I threw a weak implicit accusation at you, but didn't say specifically you were doing it.)  You responded by saying you weren't doing something I just said scum likes to do- defensive reaction.

Why are you pointing out that you didn't say I was scum?  I never said you did.
Hey, I just saw some guy blow up the door to the vault you're now robbing. Have you seen anybody like that?

You didn't directly accuse me of being scum, but you implied it. Quite clearly implied it, actually. And now you're trying to pass it off like it wasn't an accusation.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Mephansteras on June 09, 2011, 11:04:04 am
The Whiteboard
breadbocks: Dariush
Dariush: Toaster
Darvi: breadbocks
Jokerman-EXE: Think0028
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Darvi
Toaster: Bdthemag
ToonyMan: Jim Groovester



Day ends ~5pm Pacific Friday

ToonyMan should have his Role PM now. There is an impostor on the boards with a very similar name who got the role pm instead. Shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 09, 2011, 11:06:26 am
Wait, I didn't change my vote? Unvote, vote Toaster.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 09, 2011, 12:19:59 pm
I can confirm I have my role pm now.

I will be voting Dariush as well for using fallibly logic here:
Toaster, you do realize how unlikely it is to be Kook twice in a row? Also, last time you got under suspicion right off the bat. Why did you choose to employ the same tactic?

If he admits his mistake I will consider it more forgivable.  I will also state that claiming kook at the start of a game is acceptable and users who argue about the topic are just causing confusion.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 09, 2011, 12:27:53 pm
I didn't make myself sufficiently clear - I voted for him because he employed the same tactic twice, and noted that it's highly improbable to be Kook twice to see how he will respond. I didn't vote for him because of statistics.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Think0028 on June 09, 2011, 12:38:20 pm
Maybe it's just me, but 'highly improbable' sounds like a statistical argument, Dariush. Do you have any other questions for Toaster? You're pressing a bad argument pretty hard there.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 09, 2011, 01:19:49 pm
I employed statistics only in my randomvote, which I was planning to change soon after. However, Toaster's vague accusation of me and weak justification of reusing tactic which nearly got him lynched changed it into a real vote.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 09, 2011, 02:28:25 pm
Dariush:
You didn't directly accuse me of being scum, but you implied it. Quite clearly implied it, actually. And now you're trying to pass it off like it wasn't an accusation.

Are you reading what I write?

I threw a weak implicit accusation at you, but didn't say specifically you were doing it.

How is me saying it was an accusation "trying to pass it off like it wasn't an accusation?"

Further...

I didn't make myself sufficiently clear - I voted for him because he employed the same tactic twice, and noted that it's highly improbable to be Kook twice to see how he will respond. I didn't vote for him because of statistics.

I employed statistics only in my randomvote, which I was planning to change soon after. However, Toaster's vague accusation of me and weak justification of reusing tactic which nearly got him lynched changed it into a real vote.

Make up your mind- why did you vote me?

Additionally, calling my "It worked last time" justification weak is absurd.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: breadbocks on June 09, 2011, 02:44:37 pm
Wait, I didn't change my vote? Unvote, vote Toaster.
Hahaha. In my past two scum games, I've learned when to see a desperation OMGUS. You could at least try to hide it better. Unvote Darvi. Vote Dariush.

Darvi: I still want those links.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 09, 2011, 03:26:58 pm
ToonyBroski, now that you've got a role you can answer the second part of my RV on you.

Also, Dariush is more than worth a vote, but I don't like early bandwagons. They make me nervous.

Unvote, Jokerman-EXE, lurk lurk lurk lurking lurker lurkdong lurkwin?

If he admits his mistake I will consider it more forgivable.

I don't understand what you're trying to do here. How will him admitting his mistake make what he did any less scummy?

Hahaha. In my past two scum games, I've learned when to see a desperation OMGUS. You could at least try to hide it better. Unvote Darvi. Vote Dariush.

Hahaha, and in your last two scum games you've been caught doing stuff exactly like this.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 09, 2011, 03:41:08 pm
If he admits his mistake I will consider it more forgivable.
I don't understand what you're trying to do here. How will him admitting his mistake make what he did any less scummy?
At the time I was thinking it would show that he is being more cooperative and therefore more likely town.

ToonyBroski, now that you've got a role you can answer the second part of my RV on you.
Also, say you're an Agent Operative. What's your loadout?
Assassin bot, for the late-game dopp kill.  Personal Shield, for protection.  Scanner, for helpful inspections.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Darvi on June 09, 2011, 04:35:21 pm
Wait, I didn't change my vote? Unvote, vote Toaster.
Hahaha. In my past two scum games, I've learned when to see a desperation OMGUS. You could at least try to hide it better. Unvote Darvi. Vote Dariush.

Darvi: I still want those links.
You were voting for me? Never.

Joking aside, the games I can find right now are BYOR 7 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=81714.0), RP Mafia(fuck you guys) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78693.0), and Vengeful 7. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=82498.0)

  Darvi:  Any particular reason why?
 
Because a Spore spreader can still win if he's dead, if I understood the role description correctly. I seem to have taken up a habit of getting NK'd in late game lately.


MBP has been offline since almost a month. Just so Meph knows.

Harvey Janus Dent, what's worse, the Dalek exterminator, vig, or war vet?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Mephansteras on June 09, 2011, 04:55:37 pm
MBP has been offline since almost a month. Just so Meph knows.

Hmmm. Thanks. I'll send him a PM and if he doesn't respond I'll replace him.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 09, 2011, 04:58:27 pm
First off: Kook?

- lordnincompoop, who do you think the easiest 2 people are to read in this game?

I'd say breadbocks, since he's still rather new to this game and I'm reasonably familiar with his play, and Think for the same reasons, but on a lesser extent.

LNCP:  If you were a telepath, what circumstances would make you claim early?

If I could guarantee a dopp lynch, save someone important or not run the risk of getting shot at.


breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Bdthemag on June 09, 2011, 05:07:27 pm
Lordnincompoop What do you mean by "Who will you nightkill" how can you be so sure that Breadbocks even has a nightkill?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 09, 2011, 05:13:21 pm
Lordnincompoop What do you mean by "Who will you nightkill" how can you be so sure that Breadbocks even has a nightkill?

The question is exactly as stated. I don't know if he has a nightkill, but that isn't the central thing here.

And why do you care, BD?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: breadbocks on June 09, 2011, 05:19:40 pm
breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?
I see you what you did there.

Silly you, I don't get a night kill. I didn't get a NK role, nor a dopp role.

However, I'll read that as a hypothetical would. I'm not sure who I'd pick as a dopp, I'd let the people who have more experience with PM decide. Were I a vig or the like, I'd probably kill Dariush if he doesn't get lynched, since I've the impression of scumminess from him, thanks to the OMGUS and his weak arguments supporting it.

Hmm...

Jokerman: Is there a particular reason you're being so quiet? It's kinda hard to get a read on someone who's not there.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 09, 2011, 05:21:51 pm
You are thinking very cautiously Breadbock.  That will be a FoS for you, I believe you may be compensating for your dopp-ness.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Think0028 on June 09, 2011, 05:24:40 pm
Since Joker isn't here yet, Jim: what would your first priority be for capturing people as an Xenozoologist? What would your preferred techs be, for any role with tech?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Mephansteras on June 09, 2011, 05:30:53 pm
The Whiteboard
breadbocks: lordnincompoop
Dariush: breadbocks, Toaster, ToonyMan
JanusTwoface: Darvi
Jokerman-EXE: Jim Groovester, Think0028
Toaster: Bdthemag, Dariush



Day ends ~5pm Pacific Friday
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Think0028 on June 09, 2011, 05:45:07 pm
First off: Kook?

Bottom of the rolelist, they look like Dopps to investigation. Basically miller.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 09, 2011, 06:16:23 pm
Since Joker isn't here yet, Jim: what would your first priority be for capturing people as an Xenozoologist? What would your preferred techs be, for any role with tech?

Aliens. If you're the Xenozoologist that means there's at least one other alien, and probably only one other alien. It's a high priority to get him before he gets nightkilled or lynched and it becomes impossible to win.

Dopps and townies and psychic townies are easier to find, assuming you can live through to Day 5.

Also, there are a lot of roles with tech. I don't really feel like exhaustively answering that question, so I'll just answer for the Xenozoologist tech choice.

Stun bomb. Being able to delay the game by an extra day would be invaluable.

breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?
I see you what you did there.

Silly you, I don't get a night kill. I didn't get a NK role, nor a dopp role.

However, I'll read that as a hypothetical would. I'm not sure who I'd pick as a dopp, I'd let the people who have more experience with PM decide. Were I a vig or the like, I'd probably kill Dariush if he doesn't get lynched, since I've the impression of scumminess from him, thanks to the OMGUS and his weak arguments supporting it.

I like how you totally didn't answer LNCP's question.

My guess is it hits a little too close to home. What say you, breadbocks?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 09, 2011, 06:27:16 pm
First off: Kook?

Bottom of the rolelist, they look like Dopps to investigation. Basically miller.

Ah, okay.

breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?
I see you what you did there.

Silly you, I don't get a night kill. I didn't get a NK role, nor a dopp role.

And why would you lie like that, eh?

Good job on dodging the question, by the way. Now, who are you really going to nightkill?

And while I'm at it, What about your vote? You've got the OMGUS so far, but you're not exactly racking it up against him. Going to build something substatial, or do you not want to get your hands dirty?

And why do you care, BD?

BD, you're online. Answer me.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: breadbocks on June 09, 2011, 06:47:56 pm
breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?
I see you what you did there.

Silly you, I don't get a night kill. I didn't get a NK role, nor a dopp role.

However, I'll read that as a hypothetical would. I'm not sure who I'd pick as a dopp, I'd let the people who have more experience with PM decide. Were I a vig or the like, I'd probably kill Dariush if he doesn't get lynched, since I've the impression of scumminess from him, thanks to the OMGUS and his weak arguments supporting it.

I like how you totally didn't answer LNCP's question.

My guess is it hits a little too close to home. What say you, breadbocks?
In what way did I not answer it? I stated quite clearly, "I don't get a night kill." I "will" not kill anybody, due to not being able.
breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?
I see you what you did there.

Silly you, I don't get a night kill. I didn't get a NK role, nor a dopp role.

And why would you lie like that, eh?

Good job on dodging the question, by the way. Now, who are you really going to nightkill?

And while I'm at it, What about your vote? You've got the OMGUS so far, but you're not exactly racking it up against him. Going to build something substatial, or do you not want to get your hands dirty?
I don't know why I would lie like that, considering I'm not lying, there ya go. I'm really not going to be able to kill anybody tonight.

As for my vote, I am building something substantial. Key word: Building. I've not the willpower to spend every waking moment sifting word for word through someones posts, just to get the case published half an hour sooner.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 09, 2011, 06:55:50 pm
I like how you totally didn't answer LNCP's question.

My guess is it hits a little too close to home. What say you, breadbocks?
In what way did I not answer it? I stated quite clearly, "I don't get a night kill." I "will" not kill anybody, due to not being able.

You understood it to be hypothetical and you still decided not to answer it, instead opting to equivocate about what your teammates would do.

That pansy-ass crap doesn't cut it. When you answer an RV you answer it boldly and solidly and firmly because what the hell do you have to lose by it? Nothing, unless you don't know any better and think answering RV questions will actually give yourself up.

It is, quite frankly, scummy to not answer a meaningless RV question. And what did you do? You totally didn't answer a meaningless RV question. What does that make you? Scummy.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: breadbocks on June 09, 2011, 07:47:43 pm
I beg to differ. I feel "I'd ask those who know better than be what to do" is a perfectly valid answer, and I also answered for what I would do were I town aligned and thus had no advice. However, since it seems you people seem to frown on asking for help when you think it's needed, I'll tag "If you had to choose who to kill yourself" on the end of the question.

If I had to choose who to nightkill from a Dopp perspective, I'd say whoever was the most consistently active. Right now, I think that'd be Toaster, but I would probably  read back through the thread and see if I'd missed someone else.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 09, 2011, 07:48:37 pm
BD:
Lordnincompoop What do you mean by "Who will you nightkill" how can you be so sure that Breadbocks even has a nightkill?

Now normally I would see this kind of question as you having an issue with LNCP's question.  However, it just feels like you're defending Bread here.  This is a RV question- why such a strong reaction to it?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: JanusTwoface on June 09, 2011, 10:00:16 pm
Wait, I didn't change my vote? Unvote, vote Toaster.
Your last vote was for breakbocks, not that many posts before this one. When were you meaning to vote for Toaster? Because voting for him as you did looks reactionary.

If he admits his mistake I will consider it more forgivable.  I will also state that claiming kook at the start of a game is acceptable and users who argue about the topic are just causing confusion.
Why would admitting it help? Looks more like trying to give him an out.

I employed statistics only in my randomvote, which I was planning to change soon after. However, Toaster's vague accusation of me and weak justification of reusing tactic which nearly got him lynched changed it into a real vote.
Weaseling like this always seems suspicious to me. A vote is a vote, if you don't mean to at least go somewhere with the vote, then you really shouldn't be voting.

Harvey Janus Dent, what's worse, the Dalek exterminator, vig, or war vet?
Going to need a little more context on that. Exterminator is annoying for everyone, themselves included because they throw an extra element of randomness into the game and it's hard for them to win.

Vig is a theoretically powerful tool in town hands, but it is often misused. A Dopp Vig is basically a 'we win' button unless whatever extra oomph the town has to counter it is lucky (which isn't likely based on past experience).

War Vets are nice because of the slight possibility of hitting the Dopp kill, but there are too many actions for that to be the only outcome.

First off: Kook?
You really need to read some past Paranormal games. They're in almost all of them and play more of a central role in several then the average person would like.

breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?
Leading question? Check. Scummy.

Stun bomb. Being able to delay the game by an extra day would be invaluable.
Even if this reveals the likely (although not guaranteed, granted) prescence of a Xenologist?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 09, 2011, 10:07:14 pm
Stun bomb. Being able to delay the game by an extra day would be invaluable.
Even if this reveals the likely (although not guaranteed, granted) prescence of a Xenologist?

Abductions reveal the presence of a Xenozoologist. Avoiding the stun bomb for that reason would be silly.

Even still, I'd save it for when I really needed it. Either the night before or after lylo, for some extra last minute abducting, or if I thought I was going to be nightkilled.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: JanusTwoface on June 09, 2011, 10:09:19 pm
Abductions reveal the presence of a Xenozoologist. Avoiding the stun bomb for that reason would be silly.
Oh yeah. Duh. :-\
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 10, 2011, 12:50:09 am
All right, I'm back. I was moving out of my dorm and into my new apartment, so calm down and such. Plus, you know how I am early in the game.

Jokerman-EXE: What dopp roles would you be most worried about? Alien roles?

Well, if experience has taught me anything, it's that a Dopp Vig is pretty damn scary (mwahaha). Dopp Leader also makes me uncomfortable because of its immunity to inspection. As far as Aliens go, Exterminators are a big deal. I guess Spore Spreaders change the game enough that I would pay attention to one, but that's only if I knew for a solid fact that we had one.

Now then, I think we're safely out of the RVS and all that. The wagon on Dariush, while understandable, has me worried. It's strange that so many people are willing to jump in and throw suspicion, even though only part of them are voting and no one has come back to say anything to Dariush's accusers. I'm not defending him by any means, but I find it strange that so many people are there but no one has opposed them.

Janus, why don't you tell me your list of suspicions? I notice that you comment on a lot of the things that are said, but you haven't voted and don't seem to be pushing any attacks. Just coasting through without any content.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 10, 2011, 03:15:35 am
Dariush:
You didn't directly accuse me of being scum, but you implied it. Quite clearly implied it, actually. And now you're trying to pass it off like it wasn't an accusation.

Are you reading what I write?

I threw a weak implicit accusation at you, but didn't say specifically you were doing it.

How is me saying it was an accusation "trying to pass it off like it wasn't an accusation?"
Accusation (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/accusation) - The act of accusing or charging with a crime or with a lighter offense.

You accused me = you called me scum. Whatever, let's not turn into grammar nazis.
I didn't make myself sufficiently clear - I voted for him because he employed the same tactic twice, and noted that it's highly improbable to be Kook twice to see how he will respond. I didn't vote for him because of statistics.

I employed statistics only in my randomvote, which I was planning to change soon after. However, Toaster's vague accusation of me and weak justification of reusing tactic which nearly got him lynched changed it into a real vote.
Make up your mind- why did you vote me?

Additionally, calling my "It worked last time" justification weak is absurd.
Because you 1) very nearly called me scum, then said you didn't (but fine, ignore this reason since it appears we were thinking different things about it) and 2) because you were almost lynched back then. Yes, it worked, but barely.

Wait, I didn't change my vote? Unvote, vote Toaster.
Hahaha. In my past two scum games, I've learned when to see a desperation OMGUS. You could at least try to hide it better. Unvote Darvi. Vote Dariush.
You're joking, right? I changed my vote after Meph's voteboard only because I forgot to change it earlier. How the hell is this an OMGUS?
Wait, I didn't change my vote? Unvote, vote Toaster.
Your last vote was for breakbocks, not that many posts before this one. When were you meaning to vote for Toaster? Because voting for him as you did looks reactionary.
I forgot to change it back because I thought I voted for breadbocks first, and then for Toaster, so my vote was already on him. Apparently, it wasn't so.
I employed statistics only in my randomvote, which I was planning to change soon after. However, Toaster's vague accusation of me and weak justification of reusing tactic which nearly got him lynched changed it into a real vote.
Weaseling like this always seems suspicious to me. A vote is a vote, if you don't mean to at least go somewhere with the vote, then you really shouldn't be voting.
A vote isn't a vote when it is a randomvote. Last game I accompanied it by a question of 'What is your favorite colour?' and nobody seemed to mind...
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 10, 2011, 04:58:56 am
Sorry for the delays, doing my midterm in packing and moving out right now.

Going to throw down some RVS junk and actually read tomorrow:

Toaster, who would be your favorite scumbuddy?
JimGroovester, who would be your least favorite scumbuddy?
Jokerman-EXE, what do you consider the minimum amount of activity necessary for a person to be useful? Do you intend to exceed it, meet it precisely, or do less than it?
MBP, what third party do you fear most?
Dariush, what role would you most fear as a Doppelganger?
ToonyMan, what role would you least fear as a Doppelganger?
Think0028, what third party would you most like to be?
Lordnin, what third party would you least like to be?
Bdthemag, what role would you fear most as town?
Darvi, what role would you fear least as town?
Janus, do you feel these questions are helpful?
breadbocks, who is scum?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 10, 2011, 05:05:42 am
If I'm the one chosen for attack, war vet or vengeful guard. Otherwise agent or detective.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 10, 2011, 05:09:52 am
JimGroovester, who would be your least favorite scumbuddy?

You.

Suck it.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Darvi on June 10, 2011, 05:17:44 am
-snip-
'kay. unvote.

Humm... I'd say any of the investigation roles. If they're town they're actually helpful for rooting out scum, and if they're scum they could identify an exty or an abductor, which would also benefit town if they kill him.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 10, 2011, 05:18:30 am
So players like breadbocks, Dariush, and Bdthemag. Also ToonyMan.
I hate you.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 10, 2011, 05:22:58 am
Sorry, dude, but I's got to answer de questions posed to me.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: JanusTwoface on June 10, 2011, 10:17:34 am
Janus, why don't you tell me your list of suspicions? I notice that you comment on a lot of the things that are said, but you haven't voted and don't seem to be pushing any attacks. Just coasting through without any content.
lordnincompoop, Dariush, Pandarsenic and ToonyMan. Pretty much in that order.

Wait, I didn't change my vote? Unvote, vote Toaster.
Your last vote was for breakbocks, not that many posts before this one. When were you meaning to vote for Toaster? Because voting for him as you did looks reactionary.
I forgot to change it back because I thought I voted for breadbocks first, and then for Toaster, so my vote was already on him. Apparently, it wasn't so.
That's not a when.

Going to throw down some RVS junk and actually read tomorrow:
Considering the day ends today, do you really believe this is the most contructive use of your time?

Janus, do you feel these questions are helpful?
Too many to actually get a good read from any of them, about half are completely unlikely to get a useful response (as opposed to the rest, which are just somewhat unlikely), and several are leading. So no. Not really at all.

-snip-
'kay. unvote.
Did you actually gain anything from that line of questioning?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Think0028 on June 10, 2011, 10:54:40 am
Pandarsenic: Spore Spreader because I've been trying to work out a good pattern of behavior for Jester-type roles, and the opportunity to practice that would be fun.

As for Dariush: so I took the time to look back, and, uh... he DID already vote for Toaster. He just forgot to unvote first. So no OMGUS vote there. Unvote, vote breadbocks. Why didn't you take the time to look back at his posts to see what he was doing? If he's claiming it was a RV, shouldn't you take the time to verify that? In addition, you were awfully cagy when first asked who'd you nightkill, and continued to be defensive when pressed. Why wouldn't you give a full answer initially? Surely you could pick at least one person for the answer to a hypothetical.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 10, 2011, 11:07:37 am
Pandar:  Probably Jim.  I'm more methodical and logical, and he's more in-your-face and aggressive- a nice complementary combination.  Plus, he tends to scan me when he's town.


Janus:  That's a nice list.  Any particular reasons, especially behind that vote?


Dariush:  I'm willing to risk getting lynched (by scum- pretty much everyone town in that game agreed it was a null tell) on a opportunity to out scum.

If I'm ignoring the first reason, then what should I do about your second reason being utterly bogus?  "You did X last game and were almost lynched for it, so if you do X this game I should vote you!"

Think:  By the time I responded to Dariush's RV, he had voted for Breadbocks.

Reply 71 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2337713#msg2337713): Dariush RVs me
Reply 77 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2337927#msg2337927): Dariush votes Breadbocks
Reply 79 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338176#msg2338176): I respond to Dariush
Reply 80: Dariush replies to me
Reply 81: I vote Dariush
Reply 87 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338485#msg2338485): Dariush revotes me

Who is not reading back here?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Mephansteras on June 10, 2011, 11:14:36 am
The Whiteboard
breadbocks: lordnincompoop, Think0028
Dariush: breadbocks, Toaster, ToonyMan
JanusTwoface: Jokerman-EXE
Jokerman-EXE: Jim Groovester
lordnincompoop: JanusTwoface
Toaster: Bdthemag, Dariush



Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Think0028 on June 10, 2011, 11:18:29 am
Think:  By the time I responded to Dariush's RV, he had voted for Breadbocks.

Reply 71 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2337713#msg2337713): Dariush RVs me
Reply 77 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2337927#msg2337927): Dariush votes Breadbocks
Reply 79 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338176#msg2338176): I respond to Dariush
Reply 80: Dariush replies to me
Reply 81: I vote Dariush
Reply 87 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338485#msg2338485): Dariush revotes me

Who is not reading back here?

... That would be me. Oh my, egg in my face. Unvote, I'll vote again when I'm less embarrassed.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 10, 2011, 11:22:10 am
Also, first down for an Extend because there's still things to be found here.  Also, MBP hasn't been on since May 15th and almost certainly needs a replace (by this guy (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2337192#msg2337192)) and ideally on D1 so he can be in RV.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 10, 2011, 11:31:30 am
Reply 71 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2337713#msg2337713): Dariush RVs me
Reply 77 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2337927#msg2337927): Dariush votes Breadbocks
Reply 79 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338176#msg2338176): I respond to Dariush
Reply 80: Dariush replies to me
Reply 81: I vote Dariush
Reply 87 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338485#msg2338485): Dariush revotes me
I wanted to revote you when I replied to you the first time (#80), but forgot. Why is it so important? I've stated my reasons. Even if you suppose that I intentionally voted only after you did, it isn't an OMGUS.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Think0028 on June 10, 2011, 11:47:35 am
Extend, as Toaster said.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Mephansteras on June 10, 2011, 11:56:18 am
EvilTwin has been selected to replace in for MysteriousBluePuppet and has been sent his role PM.

Due to the replacement, I'm going to Extend the day to ~5pm Pacific Monday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Darvi on June 10, 2011, 12:15:01 pm
Did you actually gain anything from that line of questioning?
I wanted to check how you'd react to my question. I made it deliberately ambiguous and see if you'd answer it as "what if you were" or "what do you fear most". You answered it as the former so... Actually I just wanted to see your reaction, which I did.

Also, I wholeheartedly support the notion of extension and replacement.

ET, have you ever played in a mafia game before?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 10, 2011, 12:17:17 pm
Dariush:
-snip-
I wanted to revote you when I replied to you the first time (#80), but forgot. Why is it so important? I've stated my reasons. Even if you suppose that I intentionally voted only after you did, it isn't an OMGUS.

This was directed at Think due to him not reading the order of events.  You're really damn eager to defend yourself.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: breadbocks on June 10, 2011, 12:24:07 pm
breadbocks, who is scum?
I'm honestly quite certain Dariush is, at this point.

EvilTwin, who would you investigate as an agent?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 10, 2011, 12:25:17 pm
breadbocks, who is scum?
I'm honestly quite certain Dariush is, at this point.
Jumping to conclusions pretty fast, are we?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 10, 2011, 02:48:31 pm
If he admits his mistake I will consider it more forgivable.  I will also state that claiming kook at the start of a game is acceptable and users who argue about the topic are just causing confusion.
Why would admitting it help? Looks more like trying to give him an out.
I'm sorry if you're taking it that way, however my way of looking at it right now is if he admits it then he would be being more cooperative which is pro-town.  Even if he's mafia we will be catching him faster when there is less chaos and more rational truth.  This will be his downfall if he's mafia.

Sorry for the delays, doing my midterm in packing and moving out right now.
Going to throw down some RVS junk and actually read tomorrow:
ToonyMan, what role would you least fear as a Doppelganger?
I don't like this post at all because scum Pandarsenic always does this.  I will be answering the question regardless however I will be expecting you to read and post something "tomorrow" as you say.  I will answer Kook.  I would say Kook because they would help me and my team.  This is just from recollection though without going over all the roles exactly or how they work.

breadbocks, who is scum?
I'm honestly quite certain Dariush is, at this point.
Jumping to conclusions pretty fast, are we?
This is a passive-aggressive attack that I do not like.  You are still being very suspicious Dariush and I will keep my vote on you.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 10, 2011, 03:53:27 pm
This is a passive-aggressive attack that I do not like.  You are still being very suspicious Dariush and I will keep my vote on you.

It's not really passive aggressive if it's directed at someone, and indeed, his attacker. I don't get what's wrong with it. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I'm pretty sure there's nothing wrong with it. So what's wrong with it?

Janus, why don't you tell me your list of suspicions? I notice that you comment on a lot of the things that are said, but you haven't voted and don't seem to be pushing any attacks. Just coasting through without any content.
lordnincompoop, Dariush, Pandarsenic and ToonyMan. Pretty much in that order.

That one leading question by LNCP is enough to make you vote for him? What makes you so sure?

I'll also point out that this is in reaction to Jokerman-EXE noting you weren't voting anyone.

breadbocks, who is scum?
I'm honestly quite certain Dariush is, at this point.

Cool.

Why?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 10, 2011, 04:53:32 pm
I felt like it was wrong.  I've already said what I felt was wrong so if you disagree with it I simply can't help you unless you have a solution of your own.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 10, 2011, 04:54:15 pm
I don't like the fact that BD has just two posts here - one post with two short questions and an RV, neither followed up on, and another with a question that looks like a chainsaw defense attempt - and rather conveniently disappeared when questioned. It's not really anything to go on right now, but it's something of note at least.

First off: Kook?
You really need to read some past Paranormal games. They're in almost all of them and play more of a central role in several then the average person would like.

I'll read a few, then.

breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?
Leading question? Check. Scummy.

How so?

Lordnin, what third party would you least like to be?

Survivor. I wouldn't know what to do.


I've either been busy or away for most of today so sorrehs for the inactivity. I'll get more done in the weekend, probably.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: EvilTwin on June 10, 2011, 06:08:53 pm
ET, have you ever played in a mafia game before?
Haven't, but I lurked a lot. Jumping in now to get my brain up to college standards.

EvilTwin, who would you investigate as an agent?

First off, Jim Groovester. He seems to be a very experienced player, thus he is hard to read. Would be nice to know on which side he is playing.
Next on the line would be you, you acted a bit too strong against the "will" vs. "would" thing.

Silly you, I don't get a night kill. I didn't get a NK role, nor a dopp role.

However, I'll read that as a hypothetical would.[...]
In what way did I not answer it? I stated quite clearly, "I don't get a night kill." I "will" not kill anybody, due to not being able.
[...]
I don't know why I would lie like that, considering I'm not lying, there ya go. I'm really not going to be able to kill anybody tonight.

On that note:
breadbocks, you reacted quite emothically to all that. We haven't heard a justification yet...?

lordnincompoop, regarding that leading question, what reaction did you intend with it? What would you answer?

Only one question now, I am too tired to reread the other branches right now, so that has to wait till tommorow.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: JanusTwoface on June 10, 2011, 07:34:04 pm
That one leading question by LNCP is enough to make you vote for him? What makes you so sure?
Not just the question. How he defended / reacted to the same.

I'll also point out that this is in reaction to Jokerman-EXE noting you weren't voting anyone.
At that point, the day was ending today, so I voted the top of my list. It really wasn't in reaction to Jokerman-EXE, although I guess it'd look as much.

breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?
Leading question? Check. Scummy.
How so?
How is it a leading question? You assumed that he had a nightkill and asked what he'd do with it. Either means your saying "hey Dopp" or "hey Vig".

How is it scummy? Because you're trying to get someone to admit being scum even if they aren't. You can say that you were asking in the hypothetical all you want, but leading questions are far more useful and likely to be used by scum trying to build a case against town than town trying to catch scum.

Only one question now, I am too tired to reread the other branches right now, so that has to wait till tommorow.
Please do so. Don't think we'll forget. :)

On that note, you seem rather focused on breadbocks. Why? And thoughts on any of the others?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 10, 2011, 08:15:11 pm
Janus:  You missed this:

Janus:  That's a nice list.  Any particular reasons, especially behind that vote?

Yes, I want to hear about everyone on your list.


LNCP:  What's your read of Jim, Joker, and Pandar?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: JanusTwoface on June 10, 2011, 08:25:31 pm
Janus:  You missed this:
I saw the email but missed it when I was grabbing things from the thread to respond to. Apologies.

lordnincompoop - leading the question (explained last post), continued to do so for more than one post, vote because he's the most suspicious and the day was ending
Dariush - overreacting and angry, seen him feel roughly the same as scum in too many games to ignore
Pandarsenic - midterms and trying to float through Day 1, more later tomorrow w/o extension on the day it was scheduled to end
ToonyMan - gut feeling, thus why the bottom of the list, I can't seem to find what put him on my radar in the first case which puzzles me
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 10, 2011, 10:29:21 pm
DJGLSKHGLSKDJGSDLGKJ DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS ENDING TODAY

Exte-

Oh wait, it got force-extended. Whew.

I'm partly unpacked, settling in at the moment. Also planning stuff for my birthday. Actual content post... soon™.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: UltraValican on June 10, 2011, 10:42:30 pm
I'm simply posting to watch all of this unfold if thats all right. This seems quite interesting :)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Bdthemag on June 10, 2011, 10:47:49 pm
Toaster the reason for the strong reaction is that I don't really like direct accusations on the first day when theres little to no evidence besides what happens during RVS.

Pandarsenic Along with what the rest of everyone is saying, i'd have to say Dop Vigilante.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 10, 2011, 11:45:39 pm
BD: So when are we supposed to start direct accusations?  What do we lynch off of on D1 without them?  Whoever gets the most random votes?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 11, 2011, 01:43:11 am
Jokerman-EXE, what do you consider the minimum amount of activity necessary for a person to be useful? Do you intend to exceed it, meet it precisely, or do less than it?

I love that mine was by far the longest question. -_-

I think that if a person makes a statement or asks a question that encourages gameplay, it's useful. If I post once in the day and it prompts the conversation in a way that keeps the game going (and hopefully gets scum lynched) then that should be enough. I'm actually pretty opposed to the idea that someone needs to be required to post a set amount to avoid suspicion, but we all knew that anyway.

To answer your second question, I intend to exceed it.

Janus, I don't like that you simply threw out a vote and a list with no explanations until asked. You, of all people, should know that that won't satisfy us. You're not playing the way I've come to expect town Janus to play. You're not hunting much at all, considering your fully stated list of suspicions. Why aren't you grilling them?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 11, 2011, 02:06:05 am
Janus, I don't like that you simply threw out a vote and a list with no explanations until asked. You, of all people, should know that that won't satisfy us. You're not playing the way I've come to expect town Janus to play. You're not hunting much at all, considering your fully stated list of suspicions. Why aren't you grilling them?

What, specifically, about JTF's game makes you think it's not his normal town game?

Because vague meta arguments are great to throw out when you've got nothing else to go off of.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 11, 2011, 04:34:43 am
BD, answer my damn question. And is there any reason you're not hunting?

Toaster, do you have any suspicions besides Dariush? You've been posing some questions, but you don't seem to be doing much besides.

breadbocks, your vote is on Dariush but you've done nothing to pressure him. There's no visible attempt to build your case, which you've apparently been doing all along. Mind if we see some of that progress?

Pandar, some real activity would be nice.

lordnincompoop, regarding that leading question, what reaction did you intend with it? What would you answer?

I tried to fluster him a little, see if he might reveal something. If I were on the receiving end, I'd pick Jim right now for being productive.

LNCP:  What's your read of Jim, Joker, and Pandar?

Jim's working it. He's not very high on my list, so I haven't been paying much attention.

Jokerman has just two posts right now. He's productive in both of them and seems to be paying attention nevertheless, so he's fine.

Pandar lurks too much for comfort. Most of his posts consist of "I'm busy, will hunt later", which isn't much to go on.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Mephansteras on June 11, 2011, 08:39:24 am
The Whiteboard
breadbocks: lordnincompoop, EvilTwin
Dariush: breadbocks, Toaster, ToonyMan
JanusTwoface: Jokerman-EXE
Jokerman-EXE: Jim Groovester
lordnincompoop: JanusTwoface
EvilTwin: Darvi
Toaster: Bdthemag, Dariush



Day ends ~5pm Pacific Monday

UltraValican: I'm perfectly happy to have people watch the game.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: JanusTwoface on June 11, 2011, 09:04:46 am
Janus, I don't like that you simply threw out a vote and a list with no explanations until asked. You, of all people, should know that that won't satisfy us. You're not playing the way I've come to expect town Janus to play. You're not hunting much at all, considering your fully stated list of suspicions. Why aren't you grilling them?
All of them except for Pandarsenic were people I had been questioning the post right before (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2339996#msg2339996) (ignoring the one line post).

What does 'fully stated' mean exactly?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: EvilTwin on June 11, 2011, 10:00:51 am
On that note, you seem rather focused on breadbocks. Why? And thoughts on any of the others?
I seem unable to keep a lot of stuff running parallel in my brain, so I'm sifting through it all one issue after another. You will get your turn as well, no worries.

My suspicion against him specifically comes from his strong reactions, and he has yet to explain them. He also showed that kind of reaction earlier:
Or I could just not know what to ask, so I ask game relevant questions. That's kinda the point of RVS. You ask questions, look for scumtells, vote based on those scumtells. So, no. I'm not a dopp scientist, but thanks for trying.
To me it seems as if he is trying hard to shake off any suspicion, which results in relatively long answers where he could have kept it short. That makes him look scummy to me. Also he voted Dariush without stating why he did so, so he seems to be bandwagoning there -> scummy.

Thoughts on other people:

Toaster looks less suspicious to me, since him claiming Kook right off the bat although he had done so previously seems like a rather dumb choice if he was scum. But it really is WIFOM as far as I can see.

I have absolutely no idea what Groovester is thinking, but he seems to be working in a way which suggests he is either town, or a really good scum player. In the first case, fine. In the latter one, I doubt he will make a mistake before stuff is on fire, so we will have to wait a bit.

Dariush (oh, wait, should've spelled that Dariush actually) is definitely acting quite weasely so far, but he is the second on my list, since breadbocks is definitely even more scummy.

No thoughts on Pandar so far, can't tell if scum with so few stuff to actually work with.
Pandarsenic, which person do you fear most in this game?

No clear opinion on other people, at least none I could formulate easily. Some more hunting should reveal a bit there.

lordnincompoop, regarding that leading question, what reaction did you intend with it? What would you answer?
I tried to fluster him a little, see if he might reveal something. If I were on the receiving end, I'd pick Jim right now for being productive.
Sounds like fair reasoning. Who do you think will live through to mylo?

Jim Groovester, you haven't changed your RV on Jokerman which you placed due to his inactivity. What are your thoughts on breadbocks and Dariush?

Jokerman, who will be lynched, who will be nightkilled?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 11, 2011, 01:14:51 pm
Janus, I don't like that you simply threw out a vote and a list with no explanations until asked. You, of all people, should know that that won't satisfy us. You're not playing the way I've come to expect town Janus to play. You're not hunting much at all, considering your fully stated list of suspicions. Why aren't you grilling them?

What, specifically, about JTF's game makes you think it's not his normal town game?

Because vague meta arguments are great to throw out when you've got nothing else to go off of.

Janus, I don't like that you simply threw out a vote and a list with no explanations until asked. You, of all people, should know that that won't satisfy us. You're not playing the way I've come to expect town Janus to play. You're not hunting much at all, considering your fully stated list of suspicions. Why aren't you grilling them?
All of them except for Pandarsenic were people I had been questioning the post right before (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2339996#msg2339996) (ignoring the one line post).

What does 'fully stated' mean exactly?

I'll just address both at the same time, I suppose.

It feels to me that Janus is only answering the questions posed and lightly poking at people. He didn't place a vote until asked, he wasn't attacking anyone, and overall it seemed like passive play.

By fully stated I meant that you already made a list of people that you found suspicious, you have reasons, and yet I haven't seen you attack anyone. Sup widdat?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Think0028 on June 11, 2011, 01:42:59 pm
BD, why are you trying to trying to slow down town's investigation? Even if it doesn't bear fruit, a high-pressure environment is good for the town. Why try to stop that?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 11, 2011, 01:47:49 pm
Jim Groovester, you haven't changed your RV on Jokerman which you placed due to his inactivity. What are your thoughts on breadbocks and Dariush?

breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.

Dariush... does stuff like this. I'm not going to call him scum so quickly because this is exactly what I expect from him, and the stuff he's been accused of isn't completely damning. I'm keeping an eye on him of course.

In that vein, unvote Jokerman-EXE, breadbocks.

It feels to me that Janus is only answering the questions posed and lightly poking at people. He didn't place a vote until asked, he wasn't attacking anyone, and overall it seemed like passive play.

Okay, fine on that. Those are all observations (if a little subjective) based on the game at hand. But your meta argument has completely disappeared. Where did that go?

Pandarsenic, lurk lurk lurk lurk lurk lurk lurk lurk. How're those midterms coming, dude? You getting anything useful from those scattershot RV questions you tossed out? Because you know how much I love meaningless participation.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: EvilTwin on June 11, 2011, 02:04:29 pm
Jokerman-EXE:

Jokerman, who will be lynched, who will be nightkilled?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: breadbocks on June 11, 2011, 03:18:34 pm
breadbocks, who is scum?
I'm honestly quite certain Dariush is, at this point.
Jumping to conclusions pretty fast, are we?
Not at all
Cool.

Why?
breadbocks, you reacted quite emothically to all that. We haven't heard a justification yet...?
Not quite sure but emothically means, but if it's the case you want, give me a second.
breadbocks, your vote is on Dariush but you've done nothing to pressure him. There's no visible attempt to build your case, which you've apparently been doing all along. Mind if we see some of that progress?
See above.
It starts here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338224#msg2338224). From this post on, all he has done has been defend himself.Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338749#msg2338749) is the epitome of everything he's done that's been town friendly so far; that is all the scumhunting from him in the entire game. If nothing else, he's at least a bad townie. Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340553#msg2340553), he is purposfully asinine about definitions, something which I think he did just to attempt to throw confusion into the mix. Then... Daaaaaw (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340684#msg2340684), he's being spiteful for the sake of activelurking! How utterly scummy! And to finish it off, the last we've seen of him (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341337#msg2341337) has been a weak attempt at trying to call me out for stating the facts.
breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.
In fact, it's what I do anyways, which you would have known if you read any of the other games I've played. I don't like posting shit that isn't done, and I don't post because every time I do, I'll get pestered for said undone thing.

So, once again, Darius is utterly scummy, and deserves to have his neck snap on that noose around it.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 11, 2011, 04:13:00 pm
Dariush... does stuff like this. I'm not going to call him scum so quickly because this is exactly what I expect from him[...]

How does this make the action any less scummy?

[...]

It starts here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338224#msg2338224).

From this post on, all he has done has been defend himself.

Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338749#msg2338749) is the epitome of everything he's done that's been town friendly so far; that is all the scumhunting from him in the entire game. If nothing else, he's at least a bad townie.

The same would apply to you. You've handed questions out like cheap cigars, and done nothing about them.

You then voted for Darius on an OMGUS case, and never questioned him afterward. You're supposed to scumhunt, breadbocks. I highly doubt you can nail scum unerringly with the very first tell, and you know this as much as I do. So why didn't you push it?

After that, there's two posts for a response, another unsubstantiated claim to Darisuh's scumminess and, after several demands for reasoning by others, there's this little POS. I wouldn't call that productivity.

Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340553#msg2340553), he is purposfully asinine about definitions, something which I think he did just to attempt to throw confusion into the mix.

This is possibly the worst argument I've heard all day.

Try again.

[...] And to finish it off, the last we've seen of him (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341337#msg2341337) has been a weak attempt at trying to call me out for stating the facts.

Please point to the spot where you stated a fact, because for the life of me I cannot find it. You stated an opinion very briefly - an unjustified one, no less - and then proceeded to lurk the joint up.

breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.

In fact, it's what I do anyways, which you would have known if you read any of the other games I've played. I don't like posting shit that isn't done, and I don't post because every time I do, I'll get pestered for said undone thing.

And how can you possibly be proud of that?
You know, maybe you'd get a better case faster if you actually interacted with your top suspect.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 11, 2011, 06:42:12 pm
Do you believe Darius to be town lordnincompoop?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 11, 2011, 07:56:39 pm
LNCP:
Toaster, do you have any suspicions besides Dariush? You've been posing some questions, but you don't seem to be doing much besides.

Pandar's beeping a bit, because his actions remind me of P17, where he was scum.  Plenty of people have pointed this out already, though.  I haven't really seen much of anything else that's getting my goat except...


Jim:
Jim Groovester, you haven't changed your RV on Jokerman which you placed due to his inactivity. What are your thoughts on breadbocks and Dariush?

breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.

-snip-

In that vein, unvote Jokerman-EXE, breadbocks.

What's with this?  I've seen you give people crap for this exact move- not changing their vote until prompted.  You had two posts between his last post and your vote change, so it's not like he did anything.  Why the wait?


EvilTwin:
Who do you think will live through to mylo?

Why do you ask that?

Jokerman, who will be lynched, who will be nightkilled?

Why do you ask that?  Looking for suggestions?


Toony:  You're not tunneling like you usually do.  Did you decide it was ineffective?  If not that, why?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 11, 2011, 08:13:05 pm
Dariush... does stuff like this. I'm not going to call him scum so quickly because this is exactly what I expect from him[...]

How does this make the action any less scummy?

It doesn't. Never said it did. It's just... usual. It means I need to see more out of Dariush before I start accusing him of being scum.

Jim:
In that vein, unvote Jokerman-EXE, breadbocks.

What's with this?  I've seen you give people crap for this exact move- not changing their vote until prompted.  You had two posts between his last post and your vote change, so it's not like he did anything.  Why the wait?

I was waiting to see if he'd do anything. By the time I logged on today, he hadn't, but I had been asked about my vote. Getting asked about why my vote was still on Jokerman-EXE had nothing to do with the reason why I switched my vote. I was planning on doing that anyway, for the reasons I stated.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 11, 2011, 08:40:42 pm
Toony:  You're not tunneling like you usually do.  Did you decide it was ineffective?  If not that, why?
Tunneling isn't a helpful action usually so I don't plan on doing that this game.

Also, Pandarsenic, you never did anything today like you said you would.  If my vote wasn't more solidly on Darius it would be on you.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: EvilTwin on June 11, 2011, 08:43:53 pm
Do you believe Darius to be town lordnincompoop?

That is something swirling around in my head as well... It is kinda strange, but I thought through the following:

Both of them could still be town, their scummy behaviour could be all... I dunno, two bad days in succession or something like that, probably inexperience as well.
But what's more likely, one of them is town, one is scum. In this case I'd rather say breadbocks is the scum as he tries to put it all on Dariush (using the previous bandwagon against him as a hideout).
But what most creeps me: they could also both be scum, in which case breadbocks tries to sacrifice Dariush to prove himself as a townie...

I don't know what to think of all that... Hmm.

Dariush, in your opinion, what aspect of the game are you best at? Which aspects are problematic to you?

breadbocks, you reacted quite emothically to all that. We haven't heard a justification yet...?
Not quite sure but emothically means, but if it's the case you want, give me a second.
I meant emotionally there (sorry, English isn't my mothertongue), as in, you overreacted, became nervous. Also, you still no justification from you, would like to hear one.

Who do you think will live through to mylo?
Why do you ask that?
Jokerman, who will be lynched, who will be nightkilled?
Why do you ask that?  Looking for suggestions?
[/quote]

1) Because I want to hear your opinion who is playing a good game and who will mess up, and also because I'd like to use the time we have.
2) Suggestions for lynching? Nah thanks, I think my vote for Day 1 won't change, unless (unlikely) breadbocks manages to convince me of his innocence.
    Suggestions for nightkilling? No, thanks, I would rather ask breadbocks on scumchat[ 1 ]
Actually, I would defy the purpose of that question if I told it to you before Jokerman answered it.





[1] not really
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 11, 2011, 09:41:56 pm
Do you believe Darius to be town lordnincompoop?

That is something swirling around in my head as well... It is kinda strange, but I thought through the following:

Both of them could still be town, their scummy behaviour could be all... I dunno, two bad days in succession or something like that, probably inexperience as well.
But what's more likely, one of them is town, one is scum. In this case I'd rather say breadbocks is the scum as he tries to put it all on Dariush (using the previous bandwagon against him as a hideout).
But what most creeps me: they could also both be scum, in which case breadbocks tries to sacrifice Dariush to prove himself as a townie...

I don't know what to think of all that... Hmm.

It's WIFOM (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM), and the best way to think about things like that is ignore it.  Judge them on their individual acts.  It's too early to be looking for teams.


As for the rest, I see.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 12, 2011, 04:16:08 am
Toony:  You're not tunneling like you usually do.  Did you decide it was ineffective?  If not that, why?
Tunneling isn't a helpful action usually so I don't plan on doing that this game.

Also, Pandarsenic, you never did anything today like you said you would.  If my vote wasn't more solidly on Darius it would be on you.

Put thine currency where thine oral orifice doth reside.

If your vote on Dariush is so much more solid than your suspicion of Pandarsenic, how about you explain how?

I don't buy that you actually suspect Pandarsenic. I smell scumbuddy token suspicion.

Do you believe Darius to be town lordnincompoop?

That is something swirling around in my head as well... It is kinda strange, but I thought through the following:

Both of them could still be town, their scummy behaviour could be all... I dunno, two bad days in succession or something like that, probably inexperience as well.
But what's more likely, one of them is town, one is scum. In this case I'd rather say breadbocks is the scum as he tries to put it all on Dariush (using the previous bandwagon against him as a hideout).
But what most creeps me: they could also both be scum, in which case breadbocks tries to sacrifice Dariush to prove himself as a townie...

I don't know what to think of all that... Hmm.

This is all nice.

Why did you answer a question directed at lordnincompoop?

Toaster, you've been poking and prodding around. Where do you stand with your suspicions?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 12, 2011, 05:07:23 am
Unvote.
Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340553#msg2340553), he is purposfully asinine about definitions, something which I think he did just to attempt to throw confusion into the mix.
Wow, trying to clear up confusion that would have led us all on a pointless argument is 'asinine'?

Daaaaaw (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340684#msg2340684), he's being spiteful for the sake of activelurking! How utterly scummy!
Activelurking? THIRTEEN minutes after my last post?! I can't even tell if you're joking anymore.

And to finish it off, the last we've seen of him (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341337#msg2341337) has been a weak attempt at trying to call me out for stating the facts.
Quote
Stating the facts
and
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I'm pretty certain Dariush is scum
are two very different things.

So, once again, Darius is utterly scummy, and deserves to have his neck snap on that noose around it.
You seriously felt the need to vote for me again, just for the sake of it (even though your vote was already on me) and didn't even bother getting my nickname right?

Whatever, call it WIFOM or however you like, but breadbocks's hopeless attempts at tunneling me have gotten beyond ridiculous.
EvilTwin,
Dariush, in your opinion, what aspect of the game are you best at? Which aspects are problematic to you?
Staying calm despite all empty and ridiculous accusations (and subsequently getting even more votes for my reaction) would definitely be the hardest part of it... As for the best... probably praying for my craziest plan to succeed against all probabilities. (Like it did in last Sorcerer's Apprentice)

1) Because I want to hear your opinion who is playing a good game and who will mess up, and also because I'd like to use the time we have.
Why does his opinion matter?
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who is playing a good game and who will mess up
is a fact. Opinions don't figure into it. And even figuring you were honest about the matter, what were you going to do with the information? Were you going to make sure those
Quote
who are playing a good game
don't live until MYLO?

2) Suggestions for lynching? Nah thanks, I think my vote for Day 1 won't change, unless (unlikely) breadbocks manages to convince me of his innocence.
    Suggestions for nightkilling? No, thanks, I would rather ask breadbocks on scumchat[ 1 ]
Actually, I would defy the purpose of that question if I told it to you before Jokerman answered it.
You answered the second part of his question. How about the first part? Why did you ask that?

And before anyone points out how I'm answering questions directed to another, I'm really interested in his responses because I don't like his questions or his overall behaviour. At all.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 12, 2011, 05:09:20 am
Can already tell I'mma need another extension.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: EvilTwin on June 12, 2011, 07:22:39 am
[...]
Okay, this is sounding better now. Less scummy, more hunty.

No, opinions don't change who is playing a good game and who isn't, but observations can tell you a bit about the observer, it's mainly about getting the truth behind stuff.
If I ask you "What do you think about person X, person Y, and development Z?", it is easy for you to lie, because it is a direct answer to a direct question.
But if I ask you something like "Who will you nightkill?" like LNCP did, you are more likely to give me an unintended answer between the lines (just like breadbocks became suspicious in the first place).

Also, you're tearing my post as well as Toaster's pretty much apart there. Yes, I answered the second part of his question under paragraph 2, while answering the first part of the question under paragraph 1. Enumeration like that is a pretty sane system, you should try it ;)
Btw, could you please state what you don't like about my behaviour instead of just saying that you do?

Toony:  You're not tunneling like you usually do.  Did you decide it was ineffective?  If not that, why?
Tunneling isn't a helpful action usually so I don't plan on doing that this game.

Also, Pandarsenic, you never did anything today like you said you would.  If my vote wasn't more solidly on Darius it would be on you.

Put thine currency where thine oral orifice doth reside.

If your vote on Dariush is so much more solid than your suspicion of Pandarsenic, how about you explain how?

I don't buy that you actually suspect Pandarsenic. I smell scumbuddy token suspicion.

[...]
This is all nice.

Why did you answer a question directed at lordnincompoop?
Because I got that around in my head and wanted to output it in this thread, but just throwing it out would have looked weird to say the least.
I didn't intend to answer instead of lordnincompoop, I wanted to know whether my way of thinking is right or not. Toaster helped me there, and Dariush last post helped to resolve it as well.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Mephansteras on June 12, 2011, 07:33:32 am
The Whiteboard
Bdthemag: Think0028
breadbocks: Dariush, Jim Groovester, lordnincompoop, EvilTwin
Dariush: breadbocks, Toaster, ToonyMan
JanusTwoface: Jokerman-EXE
lordnincompoop: JanusTwoface
EvilTwin: Darvi
Toaster: Bdthemag



Day ends ~5pm Pacific Monday

There is one vote for an Extension.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 12, 2011, 08:08:19 am
BDthemag, you've disappeared once again. What the hell?

Darvi, you've lurked for most of D1. You have a pressure vote on ET that wasn't followed up on or used. Do you think it's justified now? If so, why, and why hevn't you pushed your agenda? If not, who do you think is vote-worthy, why do you think so, and why haven't you swapped your vote, let alone done anything to said suspect?

Think, your last post was an unvote to Toaster after he provided justification. What do you think of the events that happened afterward? Do you have any suspects now, and if so, why do you suspect them? Why haven't you hunted?

breadbocks, run away from the heat, have we?

Do you believe Dariush to be town lordnincompoop?

No. He hasn't done enough, and his attitude is rather off.

I've got bigger fish to fry, though.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 12, 2011, 09:14:38 am
Toony:  You're not tunneling like you usually do.  Did you decide it was ineffective?  If not that, why?
Tunneling isn't a helpful action usually so I don't plan on doing that this game.
Also, Pandarsenic, you never did anything today like you said you would.  If my vote wasn't more solidly on Darius it would be on you.
Put thine currency where thine oral orifice doth reside.
If your vote on Dariush is so much more solid than your suspicion of Pandarsenic, how about you explain how?
I don't buy that you actually suspect Pandarsenic. I smell scumbuddy token suspicion.
I have explained why.  I feel that a player using his faulty logic, plus his behavior, and now his most recent post which is just an excuse for a bandwagon vote, are far more suspicious than Pandarsenic's inactivity.  I'll just say I feel more comfortable in Darius's scumitude than Pandarsenic's.  I would really really like if Pandarsenic participated, however I can't vote two people unfortunately.  So that's why I had to use the blue FoS.

Unvote.
Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340553#msg2340553), he is purposfully asinine about definitions, something which I think he did just to attempt to throw confusion into the mix.
Wow, trying to clear up confusion that would have led us all on a pointless argument is 'asinine'?
Daaaaaw (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340684#msg2340684), he's being spiteful for the sake of activelurking! How utterly scummy!
Activelurking? THIRTEEN minutes after my last post?! I can't even tell if you're joking anymore.
And to finish it off, the last we've seen of him (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341337#msg2341337) has been a weak attempt at trying to call me out for stating the facts.
Quote
Stating the facts
and
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I'm pretty certain Dariush is scum
are two very different things.
So, once again, Darius is utterly scummy, and deserves to have his neck snap on that noose around it.
You seriously felt the need to vote for me again, just for the sake of it (even though your vote was already on me) and didn't even bother getting my nickname right?
Whatever, call it WIFOM or however you like, but breadbocks's hopeless attempts at tunneling me have gotten beyond ridiculous.
Maybe he's trying to attack you for reactions?  If that's so you are being way too sensitive to being called scum and now you've retaliate by making up some mild excuses and voting him right back.  It seems very emotionally driven, especially from the last sentence and I don't like it.

Can already tell I'mma need another extension.
Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 12, 2011, 09:21:41 am
Goddammit. I've carefully explained why his every point is wrong. Still, you call my answer a mild excuse for a bandwagon vote. It looks like you just saw breadbocks's name in red from my post, ignored everything else and called it a bandwagon.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Think0028 on June 12, 2011, 12:55:09 pm

Think, your last post was an unvote to Toaster after he provided justification. What do you think of the events that happened afterward? Do you have any suspects now, and if so, why do you suspect them? Why haven't you hunted?

1) I have since voted for BD because of his repeated disappearance and his weird post about direct accusations. Which you would know if you used my fancy shiny new Lurker Tracker  *wink wink shameless promotion wink*.
2) Looking at what's been happening afterwards, I'm becoming suspicious once again of breadbocks, but I'm not changing my vote until BD gets back. I don't know if Dariush is scum or town, frankly.
3) Explanations:
breadbocks: Still suspicious of his cagey response to your RV. Not necessarily the meat of it, but the general defensive reaction, as if it was a trap he needed to avoid. There's also the fact his case didn't come until fairly repeated prompting, and his vote originally wasn't on anything more than an OMGUS vote.
Dariush: I've never read a game with Dariush in it, so I don't know how he normally reacts. And after Jim posted that this is how Dariush does, I wanted to wait for a good avenue of attack before I pressured him. However, I plum couldn't think of good avenues of attack. During my last post, I was considering voting him as well to add more pressure, but as I couldn't come up with good questions to pressure him with, I decided to go with my other suspicion of BD. I just vainly hoped that BD would magically come in and notice that I asked him a question and start posting again. Sigh.
Second scumpick would be BD for disappearing and his weird reactions overall.
4) One part Lurker Tracker coding, one part I was really hoping BD, Panda, or Darvi would come in and start posting actual content.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Think0028 on June 12, 2011, 01:06:01 pm
breadbocks: Why do you call "I know he's scum" stating the facts? Why were you so worried initially about LNCP's question? Not the bit about relying on your teammates, the fact that you reacted like it was a massive trap waiting for you. Why did you make a show of calling it out? Why'd you revote Dariush? Any other suspects than Dariush?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: JanusTwoface on June 12, 2011, 01:41:56 pm
Too fast on the weekends... :-\ Activity is good though.

Mostly responses / comments, nothing particularly solid this time. Don't have any more time right now to look deeper.

On that note, you seem rather focused on breadbocks. Why? And thoughts on any of the others?
I seem unable to keep a lot of stuff running parallel in my brain, so I'm sifting through it all one issue after another. You will get your turn as well, no worries.
The bigger problem was that you had just replaced in and had only minimal interactions to go on. That's been somewhat alleviated since.

Toaster looks less suspicious to me, since him claiming Kook right off the bat although he had done so previously seems like a rather dumb choice if he was scum. But it really is WIFOM as far as I can see.
The whole Kook claim has been a big thing over the past several rounds of Paranormal. Toaster claiming Kook is perfectly expected if he actually is a Kook and not something I'd put past him if he were a Dopp. Basically a null tell. At least it lets inspectors that would be fooled by a Kook know that they're probably better off going elsewhere for the time being.

Jokerman, who will be lynched, who will be nightkilled?
This feels like a leading question. There's no particular way to know the former unless you are trying to (and capable of) control the lynch and the latter only scum / Vigs know. What did/do you hope to gain by his answer?

It feels to me that Janus is only answering the questions posed and lightly poking at people. He didn't place a vote until asked, he wasn't attacking anyone, and overall it seemed like passive play.
Look back. I'm asking and answering questions. Meta-wise, voting late isn't unsual for me, nor is being accused of being passive (although I usually don't see it). So you really don't have much.

By fully stated I meant that you already made a list of people that you found suspicious, you have reasons, and yet I haven't seen you attack anyone. Sup widdat?
Emphasis on the I haven't seen part.

breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.
In fact, it's what I do anyways, which you would have known if you read any of the other games I've played. I don't like posting shit that isn't done, and I don't post because every time I do, I'll get pestered for said undone thing.
I find it interesting that you didn't strictly deny it, but rather claimed to do the same as town or scum. Can you link a game where you did the same as town? I don't recall having played with you before often / at all either way. It does feel like a traditional scum pattern.

Both of them could still be town, their scummy behaviour could be all... I dunno, two bad days in succession or something like that, probably inexperience as well.
But what's more likely, one of them is town, one is scum. In this case I'd rather say breadbocks is the scum as he tries to put it all on Dariush (using the previous bandwagon against him as a hideout).
But what most creeps me: they could also both be scum, in which case breadbocks tries to sacrifice Dariush to prove himself as a townie...
Trying to analyze pairs of people, particularly on Day 1 isn't likely to lead anywhere useful. I would suggest avoiding such lines of thought. It often leads to 'one must be scum' lines of thought which (if neither is) wastes lynches.

(After typing this, I see that Toaster said the same thing. It's worth listening to).

Can already tell I'mma need another extension.
:-\ You really need to make the time for at least something. If you make it through the entirety of Day 1 without more content, you should really consider replacement (since you're so busy).

Although, one more extension would be nice if there's no strong consensus for me personally. I'll be away from my computer pretty much all of Monday.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 12, 2011, 03:24:47 pm
Can already tell I'mma need another extension.
Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Pandarsenic

Doing a great job distancing yourself there with meaningless blue text.

Scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 12, 2011, 03:36:25 pm
Your words aren't really moving me Jim.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 12, 2011, 07:16:12 pm
Toaster, you've been poking and prodding around. Where do you stand with your suspicions?

Didn't I just answer LNCP asking me pretty much the same thing?  Yeah, I think I did.   Anyway, Dariush is scum, Pandar smells of scum, and breadbocks has some questions coming to him below.  Darvi and BD haven't hunted any.

WRT your vote change:  I suppose that could be true.


Dariush:
Unvote.
Daaaaaw (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340684#msg2340684), he's being spiteful for the sake of activelurking! How utterly scummy!
Activelurking? THIRTEEN minutes after my last post?! I can't even tell if you're joking anymore.

That puts the "active" in "active lurking."

Whatever, call it WIFOM or however you like, but breadbocks's hopeless attempts at tunneling me have gotten beyond ridiculous.

I'd call it hopping from one OMGUS to another, this one with a side of bandwagon.


Toony:  Do you have anything on Pandar besides his lurkitude?  What about others that are lurking, like Darvi and BD- are they as scummy as Pandar for it?  (thanks WebLurkerTracker)



Breadbocks:  So Dariush is "utterly scummy" (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2344575#msg2344575) because of his "desperation OMGUS" (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338906#msg2338906) correct?  Anything else?  Do you think that's a good reason for D1?

Who else do you suspect?  You've done no hunting besides voting him, which wasn't really hunting.


Darvi:  I've seen no hunting out of you.  Who do you suspect and why?


BD:  Same to you.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 12, 2011, 07:19:59 pm
Toony:  Do you have anything on Pandar besides his lurkitude?  What about others that are lurking, like Darvi and BD- are they as scummy as Pandar for it?  (thanks WebLurkerTracker)
Yes.  They are equally of guilt, sorry I was kinda focusing on Pandar solely at the time since he's more noticeable to me because of his mid-term jokes.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Toaster on June 12, 2011, 07:21:21 pm
Toony:

Toony:  Do you have anything on Pandar besides his lurkitude?  What about others that are lurking, like Darvi and BD- are they as scummy as Pandar for it?  (thanks WebLurkerTracker)
Yes.  They are equally of guilt, sorry I was kinda focusing on Pandar solely at the time since he's more noticeable to me because of his mid-term jokes.

Toony:  You're not tunneling like you usually do.  Did you decide it was ineffective?  If not that, why?
Tunneling isn't a helpful action usually so I don't plan on doing that this game.


Uh huh.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 12, 2011, 07:36:32 pm
I've already admitted my mistake of focusing on Pandarsenic too much for his active-lurking so if it will please you any I'll FoS Darvi and BD as well.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: breadbocks on June 12, 2011, 07:50:05 pm
Screw it. I can't keep up with 4 RTDs and a mafia game. Request Replacement
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 13, 2011, 03:58:50 am
All right, just read all of day one.

Has Jokerman spoken since he answered my question?
Dariush, any particular reason you answered which role you would fear most as a Doppelganger with which one you'd fear most if you were a Doppelganger, and not which you'd fear most if the role was a Doppelganger?
ToonyMan, do you feel not having familiarized yourself with the game's roles this time around might be an impairment? Why/not?
Lordnincompoop, what do you mean you wouldn't know what to do as a Survivor?
Bd, where did you go? Did you even answer my question?
Darvi: You wouldn't fear the town least as town?
breadbocks: What are you even I don't... huh? I don't get what you're doing. At all.

Re who I fear most: eh... Jokerman and ToonyMan are unreadable, breadbocks is... something, and Toaster looks like town whether he is or not, generally. So them.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Darvi on June 13, 2011, 05:37:34 am
Chill, guys. You know that I hate playing on weekends.

Almost as much as I hate people flooding threads while I'm away. Gotta read through all this now.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Dariush on June 13, 2011, 05:50:06 am
Dariush, any particular reason you answered which role you would fear most as a Doppelganger with which one you'd fear most if you were a Doppelganger, and not which you'd fear most if the role was a Doppelganger?
'Which role you would fear most as a Doppelganger' quite plainly means 'if you were a Doopelganger'. Next time phrase your questions better, duh.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Darvi on June 13, 2011, 07:22:27 am
Darvi: You wouldn't fear the town least as town?(of sorts)
As town I wouldn't fear other town. They at least aren't out to get me. Nice try with the double negative (of sorts) though.

@Toaster, LNCP, and whoever else asked my scumpicks:
ET replaced in, and I felt like getting him involved. I was worried about a newbie because nobody knows whether they're genuinely scummy or jus' inexperienced. Unvote for now because I didn't get to it before Saturday. He didn't panic at the vote, but he does have a modicum of skill.

Now, my actual suspects.

I don't actually see anything wrong with LNCP's question. It's a psychological trick, because scum could slip up instead of saying "I cannot kill" (not that this is a towntell, mind ya). BD's jumping onto that question, however, is more interesting.
What was your deal with that, bro? Wait, don't answer that, I can read your last post jus' fine. Rather, tell me why do you think that it's an accusation rather than an RV question? Also why do you still have your RV on Toaster? He's answered your question and you've shown to have read the thread afterwards.

Next up is Dariush. Man, do you defensively overreact. OMGUSing Toaster because he admits being Kook? WTF man. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy) Your later reactions, such as OMGUSing bread, don't help your case either.

Breadbocks himself, on the other hand, has also OMGUSed Dariush, and keeps tunneling with weak arguments. Also, he didn't answer LNCP's question in the way he obvioulsy interpreted it as, namely a hypothetical question. Sure, you want to kill Dariush. What's new. Also, while I'm not a fan of meta, his behaviour is reminiscent of how he played in his previous scum games.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: ToonyMan on June 13, 2011, 11:04:15 am
ToonyMan, do you feel not having familiarized yourself with the game's roles this time around might be an impairment? Why/not?
It's not impairing.  If I ever really need some info I could just look at the role list.  :P
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Mephansteras on June 13, 2011, 11:31:18 am
The Whiteboard
Bdthemag: Think0028
breadbocks: Dariush, Darvi, Jim Groovester, lordnincompoop, EvilTwin
Dariush: breadbocks, Toaster, ToonyMan
JanusTwoface: Jokerman-EXE
lordnincompoop: JanusTwoface
Toaster: Bdthemag



Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today. There are 2 votes for an Extension, with 4 total needed to extend the day to ~5pm Pacific Tuesday.

breadbocks has requested a Replacement.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: Think0028 on June 13, 2011, 11:40:35 am
Extend.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 13, 2011, 11:51:28 am
Jokerman-EXE:

Jokerman, who will be lynched, who will be nightkilled?

The one who will be lynched is the one with the most votes.

The one who will be nightkilled will be the one who scum views as most worth killing.

Got any more stupid questions, or are we done wasting my time?

Pandar, yes, I have posted since answering your questions. I thought you said you read the thread.

In the meantime, unvote Janus. You've satisfied my questions.

Braedbocks, most votes and in need of a replacement. I don't like that one bit. Extend.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 13, 2011, 11:56:46 am
Chill, guys. You know that I hate playing on weekends.

Almost as much as I hate people flooding threads while I'm away. Gotta read through all this now.

I know you like lurking on weekends. Tactically, even.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 13, 2011, 12:21:17 pm
Extend.

Dariush: You're not hunting for scum. Instead, you're vehemently defending yourself against any and all attacks made against your person, attaching OMGUS to it too. What the hell?

Modface, BD's been gone for quite a while. Can I request a Prod or a Replace for him?

All right, just read all of day one.

Has Jokerman spoken since he answered my question?
Lordnincompoop, what do you mean you wouldn't know what to do as a Survivor?

Finally.

I don't know how to survive is what.

Darvi: You wouldn't fear the town least as town?(of sorts)
As town I wouldn't fear other town. They at least aren't out to get me. Nice try with the double negative (of sorts) though.

@Toaster, LNCP, and whoever else asked my scumpicks:
ET replaced in, and I felt like getting him involved. I was worried about a newbie because nobody knows whether they're genuinely scummy or jus' inexperienced. Unvote for now because I didn't get to it before Saturday. He didn't panic at the vote, but he does have a modicum of skill.

Now, my actual suspects.

I don't actually see anything wrong with LNCP's question. It's a psychological trick, because scum could slip up instead of saying "I cannot kill" (not that this is a towntell, mind ya). BD's jumping onto that question, however, is more interesting.
What was your deal with that, bro? Wait, don't answer that, I can read your last post jus' fine. Rather, tell me why do you think that it's an accusation rather than an RV question? Also why do you still have your RV on Toaster? He's answered your question and you've shown to have read the thread afterwards.

Next up is Dariush. Man, do you defensively overreact. OMGUSing Toaster because he admits being Kook? WTF man. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy) Your later reactions, such as OMGUSing bread, don't help your case either.

Breadbocks himself, on the other hand, has also OMGUSed Dariush, and keeps tunneling with weak arguments. Also, he didn't answer LNCP's question in the way he obvioulsy interpreted it as, namely a hypothetical question. Sure, you want to kill Dariush. What's new. Also, while I'm not a fan of meta, his behaviour is reminiscent of how he played in his previous scum games.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mephansteras on June 13, 2011, 12:28:02 pm

Day has been Extended to ~5pm Pacific Tuesday


Modface, BD's been gone for quite a while. Can I request a Prod or a Replace for him?
His last post was Friday in this game. Since many people are busy on weekends I don't count them for prodding purposes. As long as he posts sometime today he's fine.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: Darvi on June 13, 2011, 12:58:56 pm
LNCP, is there a reason you quoted me?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: ToonyMan on June 13, 2011, 01:01:49 pm
Sigh, well, here's a question for everybody voting Breadbocks.  Are you all going to keep your vote on Breadbocks after the replacement comes in?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: Toaster on June 13, 2011, 01:15:18 pm
Toony:
Sigh, well, here's a question for everybody voting Breadbocks.  Are you all going to keep your vote on Breadbocks after the replacement comes in?

I find this indirect defense of Breadbocks highly suspicious.

"Hey everyone, don't forget to unvote him when he gets replaced!"

What scummy things he's done are done.


Joker:  Why don't you like having the most votes on someone who asked for a replacement (after he got said votes?)

Who do you suspect now?


Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 13, 2011, 01:18:23 pm
LNCP, is there a reason you quoted me?

No, actually.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: Leafsnail on June 13, 2011, 04:04:51 pm
I shall sub in for Breadbocks!  After all, it's no fun unless the guy you're subbing in for is on death's door.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on June 13, 2011, 04:15:02 pm
Thanks, Leaf! Role PM has been sent.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 13, 2011, 05:10:32 pm
Welcome, Leafsnail. I trust you've been filled in? Any comments on breadbocks' play?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 13, 2011, 05:15:28 pm
Sigh, well, here's a question for everybody voting Breadbocks.  Are you all going to keep your vote on Breadbocks after the replacement comes in?

Yes.

Why do you care?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Back to the snow
Post by: Leafsnail on June 13, 2011, 05:25:54 pm
Firstly: I am a kook.

Anyway, so, I subbed in assuming that breadbocks had done something horrifically scummy in order to get 5 votes.  I read, and find that... with one exception, every vote that is now on me is stupid.  Really, really stupid.  So I guess the next thing for me to do is to expose the stupidity.

Spoiler: Dariush (click to show/hide)
Conclusion: Dariush's vote on me is stupid, and he should either remove it or make up a better excuse to vote me.

Spoiler: lordnincompoop (click to show/hide)
Conclusion: Lordnincompoop's initial vote on me was groundless, and he's given absolutely no reason why he thought breadbocks was scum at any point.  "Random voting then not changing at all ever while being passive as fuck" is an interesting tactic for avoiding attention - I would like you to justify this as well.

Spoiler: EvilTwin (click to show/hide)
Conclusion: EvilTwin's vote is very flimsy and unexplained.  It seems like it could be just there to extract information, but I don't think breadbocks really knew what he was being asked with this one.

Spoiler: Darvi (click to show/hide)
Conclusion: Darvi's vote on breadbock's is hasty and not backed up in any way at all.  It also seems to contradict his FoS of Dariush if he doesn't explain it further.

So, those are the stupid votes.  Time to move on to the exception.

Unvote.
breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.

Dariush... does stuff like this. I'm not going to call him scum so quickly because this is exactly what I expect from him, and the stuff he's been accused of isn't completely damning. I'm keeping an eye on him of course.

In that vein, unvote Jokerman-EXE, breadbocks.
This vote is not stupid.  Not at all, Jim Groovester.

You start by making a vague meta argument which you assume noone is gonna bother to check.  What I find interesting is how you apparently pointed it out at the time but did absolutely nothing about it.  Even though this argument is now damning enough to earn a vote, at the time it didn't earn an FoS.  Or a question.  Or anything at all.  In other words... this argument only shows that breadbocks is scum when you want it to show that breadbocks is scum.  Unless you're saying that his lurking and the fact that EvilTwin finally prodded you for doing nothing all day is what sealed the deal.

You then make the most pathetically passive, cautious defence I have ever seen of Dariush.  You say that what he is accused of "isn't completely damning" which implies that... it is slightly damning?  If it is slightly damning, why take no further action?  If it's not damning at all, why not just say so?  And why make a vague, UN style end to that little resolution of yours?  Well, at least you acted on it by saying nothing at all about Dariush at any point since.

Then, finally... you vote.  You make sure that everyone can see your vague reasons, give an incredibly wooly reason why you don't suspect breadbocks' main enemy, and only then vote.  As if you're more interested in protecting yourself while switching your vote than getting scum lynched.  Actually, I'll just say it.  You're more interested in protecting yourself while switching your vote than getting scum lynched.  Because you're scum, and this ridiculously cowardly vote change shows that perfectly.

So, in summary: 4 stupid votes and 1 scum vote.  This post has taken over an hour, so I'll write another one analysing everyone else tomorrow.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 13, 2011, 05:40:15 pm
What do you want me to do, Leafsnail? Give breadbocks a headsup about how I recognize the stuff he's doing from his scum game? 'Hey, pal, just a warning, but you might want to try and do stuff that makes it harder for me to figure out that you're scum, because this is awfully familiar to your scum game right now. Got it? Good, I'll check back in a week, see how you're doing.' Nope, sorry, that's bullshit. Not gonna do that.

I asked him why he thought Dariush was scum here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341749#msg2341749), and it took him forever to respond, so the idea that I did nothing about it in the interim is complete bullshit. Well, it's not complete bullshit, it's just disingenuous. I did nothing, only because breadbocks did nothing.

And I wasn't defending Dariush, you dumbass, I was asked my opinion on him. How about you selectively edit the quote so that gets lost in there?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Are there any more shitty accusations you want to make?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: ToonyMan on June 13, 2011, 05:58:54 pm
Sigh, well, here's a question for everybody voting Breadbocks.  Are you all going to keep your vote on Breadbocks after the replacement comes in?
Yes.
Why do you care?
I think it's important information.  I would like to see people's response so I can gauge if it's scummy or not.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Leafsnail on June 13, 2011, 06:02:43 pm
What do you want me to do, Leafsnail? Give breadbocks a headsup about how I recognize the stuff he's doing from his scum game? 'Hey, pal, just a warning, but you might want to try and do stuff that makes it harder for me to figure out that you're scum, because this is awfully familiar to your scum game right now. Got it? Good, I'll check back in a week, see how you're doing.' Nope, sorry, that's bullshit. Not gonna do that.
Uh... your joke scenario seems pretty damn close to what happened.  Your damning reason that got you to vote him was something you'd pointed out earlier and done nothing at all about.  If it really were a damning reason, why didn't you vote or at least properly question him about it at the time?

I asked him why he thought Dariush was scum here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341749#msg2341749), and it took him forever to respond, so the idea that I did nothing about it in the interim is complete bullshit. Well, it's not complete bullshit, it's just disingenuous. I did nothing, only because breadbocks did nothing.
You didn't like, vote or have any suspects though.  "But I was busy activelurking" isn't a defence.

From the time you ignored breadbocks' supposedly damning scumtell until the time when you actually voted him for it you answered some random votes, commented on some random vote answers (which you... never mentioned again).  Then you asked some passive questions of various people (yes, one of them was breadbocks - wow, amazing detective work there) and then finally decided that the damning scumtell you saw 2 days earlier was worth a vote when EvilTwin called you out on sitting around on your random vote since the start of the game.
And I wasn't defending Dariush, you dumbass, I was asked my opinion on him. How about you selectively edit the quote so that gets lost in there?
...You were asked your opinion on Dariush, and you defended him in response.  I didn't think that part of the quote changed anything, but if you think the fact that you need to be prodded in order to say something reflects positively on you then whatever.  I like how you don't have any answer at all to the accusation that it was a ridiculously sissy and noncomittal defence of Dariush "opinion" on Dariush, instead trying to distract attention by saying someone else asked you to do it.  So, what do you think of him now, if you're "keeping your eye on him"?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 13, 2011, 06:22:53 pm
Toony, are you trying to ingratiate yourself with the replacement?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 13, 2011, 06:44:24 pm
What do you want me to do, Leafsnail? Give breadbocks a headsup about how I recognize the stuff he's doing from his scum game? 'Hey, pal, just a warning, but you might want to try and do stuff that makes it harder for me to figure out that you're scum, because this is awfully familiar to your scum game right now. Got it? Good, I'll check back in a week, see how you're doing.' Nope, sorry, that's bullshit. Not gonna do that.
Uh... your joke scenario seems pretty damn close to what happened.  Your damning reason that got you to vote him was something you'd pointed out earlier and done nothing at all about.  If it really were a damning reason, why didn't you vote or at least properly question him about it at the time?

Because I wanted to see if he'd break from his meta first.

Nope.

I also pressed breadbocks plenty along the way. You accuse me of doing jack shit about breadbocks, when that's simply not true.

I asked him why he thought Dariush was scum here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341749#msg2341749), and it took him forever to respond, so the idea that I did nothing about it in the interim is complete bullshit. Well, it's not complete bullshit, it's just disingenuous. I did nothing, only because breadbocks did nothing.
You didn't like, vote or have any suspects though.  "But I was busy activelurking" isn't a defence.

From the time you ignored breadbocks' supposedly damning scumtell until the time when you actually voted him for it you answered some random votes, commented on some random vote answers (which you... never mentioned again).  Then you asked some passive questions of various people (yes, one of them was breadbocks - wow, amazing detective work there) and then finally decided that the damning scumtell you saw 2 days earlier was worth a vote when EvilTwin called you out on sitting around on your random vote since the start of the game.

You make scumhunting sound so scummy.

And I wasn't defending Dariush, you dumbass, I was asked my opinion on him. How about you selectively edit the quote so that gets lost in there?
...You were asked your opinion on Dariush, and you defended him in response.  I didn't think that part of the quote changed anything, but if you think the fact that you need to be prodded in order to say something reflects positively on you then whatever.  I like how you don't have any answer at all to the accusation that it was a ridiculously sissy and noncomittal defence of Dariush "opinion" on Dariush, instead trying to distract attention by saying someone else asked you to do it.  So, what do you think of him now, if you're "keeping your eye on him"?

That wasn't a defense. It wasn't really anything. I couldn't make up my mind on Dariush because my reads on him at that point did not strongly point one way or the other. This is still the case.

Blah blah this is dumb.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: ToonyMan on June 13, 2011, 07:01:11 pm
Toony, are you trying to ingratiate yourself with the replacement?
No.  Why do you think so?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Leafsnail on June 13, 2011, 07:04:14 pm
Because I wanted to see if he'd break from his meta first.

Nope.

I also pressed breadbocks plenty along the way. You accuse me of doing jack shit about breadbocks, when that's simply not true.
Actually, I never said "about breadbocks".  You did jack shit in regards to everyone equally.  Unless you call pointless questions (which ultimately weren't used as part of your case against breadbocks) which you asked to almost everyone "doing something".

You make scumhunting sound so scummy.
Very well.  Show me some scumhunting you did during that period, and explain why your vote didn't change away from your random one in order to back that up.

That wasn't a defense. It wasn't really anything. I couldn't make up my mind on Dariush because my reads on him at that point did not strongly point one way or the other. This is still the case.
Uh... huh.  So you're saying you essentially waffled and then promised to take action in a way that wouldn't actually require you doing anything (an even more passive position than what I thought it was).  Tell me, since when was it your policy to not do anything with regards to people you aren't sure about?  I mean... for instance, breadbocks had been voting Dariush for most of the games, and you're convinced breadbocks was scum.  Do you think it looked like bussing?  Why so or why not?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 13, 2011, 07:19:57 pm
You make scumhunting sound so scummy.
Very well.  Show me some scumhunting you did during that period, and explain why your vote didn't change away from your random one in order to back that up.

Nah.

I'd rather wait for you to show me how my posts were scummy first.

That wasn't a defense. It wasn't really anything. I couldn't make up my mind on Dariush because my reads on him at that point did not strongly point one way or the other. This is still the case.
Uh... huh.  So you're saying you essentially waffled and then promised to take action in a way that wouldn't actually require you doing anything (an even more passive position than what I thought it was).  Tell me, since when was it your policy to not do anything with regards to people you aren't sure about?  I mean... for instance, breadbocks had been voting Dariush for most of the games, and you're convinced breadbocks was scum.  Do you think it looked like bussing?  Why so or why not?

Blah blah I don't care about Dariush. I've been more interested in breadbocks for the whole game because I think it's more likely breadbocks is scum.

Shame on me for going after the people I suspect.

This is pointless.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Leafsnail on June 13, 2011, 07:30:32 pm
Nah.

I'd rather wait for you to show me how my posts were scummy first.
Ok.
Unvote, Jokerman-EXE, lurk lurk lurk lurking lurker lurkdong lurkwin?
Quote from: Jim Groovester until eventually prodded by EvilTwin
(nothing about who I think is scum)
In other words, you did nothing to attack scum until EvilTwin told you to give an opinion on someone (incidentally, the first time you gave an opinion on anyone in the game rather than vague, unfollowed up "that's scummy" statements).  Heck, if EvilTwin didn't tell you to then, you probably still wouldn't have attacked anyone.

Blah blah I don't care about Dariush. I've been more interested in breadbocks for the whole game because I think it's more likely breadbocks is scum.

Shame on me for going after the people I suspect.

This is pointless.
Yeah... I guess the less you argue with today's mislynch the better.  Much better just shut down and remain completely passive.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 13, 2011, 08:02:29 pm
So one snippet from one post is all you have?

Seems about right.

Yeah... I guess the less you argue with today's mislynch the better.  Much better just shut down and remain completely passive.

No, I just have no patience for worthless arguments.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 14, 2011, 12:12:49 am
Joker:  Why don't you like having the most votes on someone who asked for a replacement (after he got said votes?)

Who do you suspect now?

I don't like that he got the most votes and then asked for a replacement. That's a tactically scummy move, or it's terrible timing on his part. Either way, I'm not a fan.

However, I think Leafsnail has done a far better job of answering the accusations against him than his predecessor, which makes my suspicions (that were on breadbocks) much weaker. As to who I suspect, I'd have to say Pandarsenic (for still not doing jack shit, despite the promises) and ToonyMan, because I don't really know how to feel about his game right now. It's pretty typical Toony, I guess, and maybe it's been a while, but it seems off.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: Toaster on June 14, 2011, 07:59:49 am
Joker:
Joker:  Why don't you like having the most votes on someone who asked for a replacement (after he got said votes?)

Who do you suspect now?

I don't like that he got the most votes and then asked for a replacement. That's a tactically scummy move, or it's terrible timing on his part. Either way, I'm not a fan.

However, I think Leafsnail has done a far better job of answering the accusations against him than his predecessor, which makes my suspicions (that were on breadbocks) much weaker. As to who I suspect, I'd have to say Pandarsenic (for still not doing jack shit, despite the promises) and ToonyMan, because I don't really know how to feel about his game right now. It's pretty typical Toony, I guess, and maybe it's been a while, but it seems off.

So why aren't you voting either of them?


Pandar:
Toony, are you trying to ingratiate yourself with the replacement?

Are you planning on doing any hunting?



In other news, Dariush is trying to lurk the day away to survive to N1 without doing any hunting of his own.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: Dariush on June 14, 2011, 10:14:01 am
Dariush: You're not hunting for scum. Instead, you're vehemently defending yourself against any and all attacks made against your person, attaching OMGUS to it too. What the hell?
I've already found one. Don't you think Leafsnail is scum? Or are you going to find a second one on the first day?
Daaaaaw (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2340684#msg2340684), he's being spiteful for the sake of activelurking! How utterly scummy!
Activelurking? THIRTEEN minutes after my last post?! I can't even tell if you're joking anymore.
Ok, so, Dariush's attack starts badly.  He makes two minor criticisms of breadbocks' post (one of which is incorrect - the whole point of active lurking is that you are ACTIVE but not really saying anything).
It isn't active lurking if I'm not even trying to make an impression of doing anything. But fine. Where is the scumminess in posting a not related to absolutely anything comment?
And to finish it off, the last we've seen of him (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2341337#msg2341337) has been a weak attempt at trying to call me out for stating the facts.
Quote
Stating the facts
and
Quote
I'm pretty certain Dariush is scum
are two very different things.
...And then he goes on to attack what seems to be a technicality.  Unless Dariush is somehow saying that saying "Dariush is scum" is a devastating scumtell.  Oh well, the final bit before his vote must be a devastating conclusion, right?
'Dariush is scum' is an opinion. breadbocks claimed this was a fact. There's an important difference.
You seriously felt the need to vote for me again, just for the sake of it (even though your vote was already on me) and didn't even bother getting my nickname right?

Whatever, call it WIFOM or however you like, but breadbocks's hopeless attempts at tunneling me have gotten beyond ridiculous.
...Oh wait no, it's stupid.  I can see absolutely no logical process behind this vote at all.  As far as I can tell, it goes "You accidentally revoted me.  Therefore I will randomly mention the word WIFOM and vote you for tunnelling".  This is blatantly a stupid, OMGUSy vote, although since Dariush is prone to stupid play it's not necessarily a scumtell.
Damn, I confused terms WIFOM and OMGUS.  :P And how is tunnelling not a valid reason for a vote?
Goddammit. I've carefully explained why his every point is wrong. Still, you call my answer a mild excuse for a bandwagon vote. It looks like you just saw breadbocks's name in red from my post, ignored everything else and called it a bandwagon.
A weird response.  You still give no explanation at all why you think/ thought Breadbocks is scum, instead insisting you "explained why his every point is wrong".  Well, even if you did (you didn't), why would that make him scum?
Why would anybody except scum have any reason to so desperately try to get me in the noose?
In other news, Dariush is trying to lurk the day away to survive to N1 without doing any hunting of his own.
I was a bit busy.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on June 14, 2011, 10:54:48 am
The Whiteboard
Bdthemag: Think0028
Leafsnail: Dariush, Darvi, Jim Groovester, lordnincompoop, EvilTwin
Dariush: Toaster, ToonyMan
Jim Groovester: Leafsnail
lordnincompoop: JanusTwoface
Toaster: Bdthemag



Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 14, 2011, 11:00:58 am
Joker:
Joker:  Why don't you like having the most votes on someone who asked for a replacement (after he got said votes?)

Who do you suspect now?

I don't like that he got the most votes and then asked for a replacement. That's a tactically scummy move, or it's terrible timing on his part. Either way, I'm not a fan.

However, I think Leafsnail has done a far better job of answering the accusations against him than his predecessor, which makes my suspicions (that were on breadbocks) much weaker. As to who I suspect, I'd have to say Pandarsenic (for still not doing jack shit, despite the promises) and ToonyMan, because I don't really know how to feel about his game right now. It's pretty typical Toony, I guess, and maybe it's been a while, but it seems off.

So why aren't you voting either of them?

I don't know what you're talking about. >.>
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: ToonyMan on June 14, 2011, 11:31:20 am
You might want to make that vote outside of the quote box since it may not count in that state.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 14, 2011, 01:08:12 pm
PANDARSENIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 14, 2011, 01:27:49 pm
lol hypocrisy lol
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement requested
Post by: Leafsnail on June 14, 2011, 02:57:39 pm
It isn't active lurking if I'm not even trying to make an impression of doing anything. But fine. Where is the scumminess in posting a not related to absolutely anything comment?
The first part of this response is confusing (you seem to be admitting murder to avoid a manslaughter charge).  I'm not saying what you said was scummy - just that it was stupid and not a reason to vote breadbocks at all.

'Dariush is scum' is an opinion. breadbocks claimed this was a fact. There's an important difference.
Well, if you're gonna persist in being technical as hell, "Dariush is scum" isn't actually an opinion.  It's a statement that's either correct or incorrect.  What I'm not sure about is why this would make you think he's scum.  At all.
Damn, I confused terms WIFOM and OMGUS.  :P And how is tunnelling not a valid reason for a vote?
...Because town and scum both "tunnel"?  There's nothing inherently scummy about it at all.

Why would anybody except scum have any reason to so desperately try to get me in the noose?
...Huh?  Making logically unsound arguments is just as bad for a mafia player as a town player when it comes to getting people lynched.  This is the most OMGUSy vote I've ever seen, quite frankly.  There's no other basis for it.

Although at least you've actually responded unlike lordnincompoop, EvilTwin and Darvi, who are prepared to sleepwalk into a mislynch.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 14, 2011, 03:15:26 pm
lol hypocrisy lol

Oh? Do elaborate, sir; at least I've voiced suspicions and voted, whereas you have...well, you have this post, a few passive questions, and a whole metric shitload of "moar l8r" posts.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 1 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on June 14, 2011, 08:02:21 pm
The Whiteboard
Bdthemag: Think0028
Leafsnail: Dariush, Darvi, Jim Groovester, lordnincompoop, EvilTwin
Dariush: Toaster, ToonyMan
Jim Groovester: Leafsnail
lordnincompoop: JanusTwoface
Pandarsenic: Jokerman-EXE
Toaster: Bdthemag


  Leafsnail is dragged outside, kicking and screaming. Darvi follows after everyone else, holding a hunting rifle in his hands.

  "This is rediculous!" screams Leafsnail. "You've all gone mad."

  "And you might be a flesh eating monster!" screams back Darvi. "We can't take that chance. I...I have to shoot you."

  "Damn you all!"

  *bang*

  The body slumps down into the snow. You all watch it, hoping to see the transformation from man to monster. But it never comes. Nervously, Jim Groovester walks over and nudges the body.

  "I...I think we killed an innocent man." he mumbles. "But, come on, the guy wasn't exactly stable. I mean, he even admitted he was a bit of a kook!"

  After a bit of uncomfortable looks, you decide to check out his room. At least you can see what he was up to.

  His room is cluttered with various bits of machinery and electronics, along with a rather nasty looking robot of some sort. Seems he was a Military Scientist of some sort. Pity none of you know how to use that robot. It looks like it'd be pretty good at killing things.

 But now you're all exhausted, so you head off to your rooms for the night. Hopefully you haven't hurt your chances of survival too much today.




Night 1 is here. Send in your actions if you have any!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Night 1
Post by: Mephansteras on June 16, 2011, 12:18:51 pm

 The next morning you all meet up in the main area again. However, it seems that Pandarsenic is missing.

 With dark looks all around you head off to see if you can determine what happened to him. You have to break down his door to get into his house, but once there it becomes obvious what happened. Blood covers the floor, and a few bones, bloody and split open, sit in a pile in the corner. You can only assume that he was the latest victim of the doppelgangers.

 Looking around it seems that he was just a regular researcher. A normal guy doing his job, only to have it turn out like this. Shame.

 Glumly you head back. You still haven’t found the doppelgangers, and the longer you take to do that the more of you that will die.




Day 2 has started. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Monday.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: Toaster on June 16, 2011, 01:34:29 pm
Dariush is still scum for the reasons I stated yesterday.


Toony, I still don't trust you, because of your lackluster hunting and weird comments regarding the replacement.  Who do you suspect now and why?


EvilTwin:  How have your suspicions changed since the lynch?


Janus:  Usually you're more talkative than you have been, and you haven't mentioned lurkers at all... probably because you haven't posted since Sunday.  Who are your top two picks and why?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 16, 2011, 02:02:53 pm
Huh, no role flip and no kill. I'm guessing the Xenozoologist captured Pandarsenic before he could do the kill, unless somebody wants to claim a roleblock? Are there any other possible explanations?

Anyways, ToonyMan, I guess the kill didn't go off like you wanted it, huh?

Bdthemag, are you ever going to do anything or are you just going to sit around like a useless sack of crap again?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: Darvi on June 16, 2011, 02:09:43 pm
Read again Jim. Pandar was a town investigator.

Also, with Breadsnail gone, that makes Dariush my prime suspect.

Bastardbro, who are your suspects. Why. Now.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 16, 2011, 02:12:00 pm
Read again Jim. Pandar was a town investigator.

So what role does that come down to?

On the first post Pandarsenic's listed as a townsperson, so he was probably an Advanced Doppelganger.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: Darvi on June 16, 2011, 02:13:51 pm
Wait. Researcher != investigator I just noticed. He was a vanilla townie then.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 16, 2011, 02:16:34 pm
Is there any special reason you want to say he was a VT when the flavor clearly fits that of an Advanced Doppelganger chewing somebody up?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: Darvi on June 16, 2011, 02:21:48 pm
Because I don't know the roles by heart and didn't know the dopps could do that?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 16, 2011, 02:24:58 pm
LIES

U R DOPP

Meh, I guess that makes sense.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: Darvi on June 16, 2011, 02:27:14 pm
Also, looking through the list, I'm not sure whether eating counts as a mafiakill or as a vig-kill or something.

I mean, can dopps both eat somebody and kill in a turn?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 16, 2011, 02:39:17 pm
The Advanced Doppelganger replace has to be used in lieu of the normal dopp kill.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: ToonyMan on June 16, 2011, 02:46:33 pm
Toony, I still don't trust you, because of your lackluster hunting and weird comments regarding the replacement.  Who do you suspect now and why?
The people that voted Leafsnail for their idiotic reasons as well as Jokerman and BD for not being helpful yesterday.

Anyways, ToonyMan, I guess the kill didn't go off like you wanted it, huh?
I didn't kill anybody yesterday.

Jim Groovester, I don't like at all that argument you had with Leafsnail yesterday.  You invalid his points by calling them completely useless and pointless until the day is over.  I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious so I will be asking everybody that voted him yesterday, now that his role has been revealed as town, what do you actually plan to do today instead of sitting on your votes/hands?

The Advanced Doppelganger replace has to be used in lieu of the normal dopp kill.
I believe this happened as well, although you are original scum.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 16, 2011, 03:08:26 pm
Anyways, ToonyMan, I guess the kill didn't go off like you wanted it, huh?
I didn't kill anybody yesterday.

My mistake. It was Pandarsenic, your scumbuddy.

You spent an awful lot of time distancing yourself from Pandarsenic. And only Pandarsenic. Why, people had to point out to you that there were other lurkers in the game.

Why the focus on Pandarsenic? (Hint: It's because you were his scumbuddy.)

Jim Groovester, I don't like at all that argument you had with Leafsnail yesterday.  You invalid his points by calling them completely useless and pointless until the day is over.

That's not what happened. I first refuted his points, and then I called them stupid and pointless.

I fail to see how that makes me voteworthy, or how that's even a bad thing. If people attack me, I'm going to defend myself, and I'm going to defend myself well.

I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious so I will be asking everybody that voted him yesterday, now that his role has been revealed as town, what do you actually plan to do today instead of sitting on your votes/hands?

You should know better than to pick your suspects from the list of people who mislynched a town, and why that's a bad idea, but here you are doing it anyway. I don't know what to think, except that you're probably scum if you're going to play it like it's a good idea.

But I'll answer your question anyway:

See you lynched.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 16, 2011, 04:53:57 pm
Mod, please prod BDthemag. he's been active and posted in topics even today, but there's no sign of his activity in the thread. He might have forgotten his part in the games.

Dariush:
Dariush: You're not hunting for scum. Instead, you're vehemently defending yourself against any and all attacks made against your person, attaching OMGUS to it too. What the hell?
I've already found one.

How, exactly, did breadbocks differ in any way from the targets of your previous OMGUSes?

And tell me how, exactly, you find scum by sitting on your ass and flailing at whoever happens to question you.

Jim Groovester, I don't like at all that argument you had with Leafsnail yesterday.  You invalid his points by calling them completely useless and pointless until the day is over.

And what about that argument do you dislike?

I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious

Arrite. Why?

so I will be asking everybody that voted him yesterday, now that his role has been revealed as town, what do you actually plan to do today instead of sitting on your votes/hands?

I plan on hunting.

I couldn't respond at the end of D1 because I wasn't awake at that particular time. Deal.

The Advanced Doppelganger replace has to be used in lieu of the normal dopp kill.
I believe this happened as well, although you are original scum.

Explain.



More later; this started far too late.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Blood on the floor
Post by: Bdthemag on June 16, 2011, 06:06:59 pm
Request Replacement

I can't keep up with all of the games im in, besides im pretty bad at mafia anyways.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: UltraValican on June 16, 2011, 06:39:14 pm
I guess I'll join...this will be my first mafia game so please bare with me.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Mephansteras on June 16, 2011, 06:51:34 pm
The Whiteboard
Dariush: Darvi, Toaster
Jim Groovester: ToonyMan
ToonyMan: Jim Groovester



Day 2 ends ~5pm Pacific Monday


@UltraValican: Can you devote the time to play the game? Ideally, you should post at least once a day and actively participate. Too much lurking hurts games quite a bit. But if you think you're up to it I'll let you take over for Bdthemag. However, you should read some of the previous Paranormal games (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=34959.0). It's not quite a vanilla mafia game, and knowing what the various roles do and how they impact the game is pretty important.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: UltraValican on June 16, 2011, 07:11:40 pm
I won't be taking over for the otherguy but if you decide to do another round when this one is finished I'll join, in the mean time I will watch this game as an example and read up on the roles, best of luck to all of you.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: ToonyMan on June 16, 2011, 08:09:59 pm
Anyways, ToonyMan, I guess the kill didn't go off like you wanted it, huh?
I didn't kill anybody yesterday.
You spent an awful lot of time distancing yourself from Pandarsenic. And only Pandarsenic. Why, people had to point out to you that there were other lurkers in the game.
How have I distanced myself from Pandarsenic?  Is it my fault if Pandarsenic asks me questions?  Should I have ignored him instead then?  Which I think would would work better for distancing instead.

Jim Groovester, I don't like at all that argument you had with Leafsnail yesterday.  You invalid his points by calling them completely useless and pointless until the day is over.
That's not what happened. I first refuted his points, and then I called them stupid and pointless.
I fail to see how that makes me voteworthy, or how that's even a bad thing. If people attack me, I'm going to defend myself, and I'm going to defend myself well.
You aren't defending yourself well when you don't even try.  Look at this:
You make scumhunting sound so scummy.
Very well.  Show me some scumhunting you did during that period, and explain why your vote didn't change away from your random one in order to back that up.
Nah.
I'd rather wait for you to show me how my posts were scummy first.
That wasn't a defense. It wasn't really anything. I couldn't make up my mind on Dariush because my reads on him at that point did not strongly point one way or the other. This is still the case.
Uh... huh.  So you're saying you essentially waffled and then promised to take action in a way that wouldn't actually require you doing anything (an even more passive position than what I thought it was).  Tell me, since when was it your policy to not do anything with regards to people you aren't sure about?  I mean... for instance, breadbocks had been voting Dariush for most of the games, and you're convinced breadbocks was scum.  Do you think it looked like bussing?  Why so or why not?
Blah blah I don't care about Dariush. I've been more interested in breadbocks for the whole game because I think it's more likely breadbocks is scum.
Shame on me for going after the people I suspect.
This is pointless.
This was the last significant post replying to Leafsnail.  You asked Leafsnail to farther define his points which have been doing for one and a half pages at that point and the end of the day was coming very shortly.  Your second reply is a completely dead stop that is just trying to halt conversation.  There is no way Leafsnail would be able to save himself at that point and all the five people voting him never moved like static dummies.  I don't like it.

I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious so I will be asking everybody that voted him yesterday, now that his role has been revealed as town, what do you actually plan to do today instead of sitting on your votes/hands?
You should know better than to pick your suspects from the list of people who mislynched a town, and why that's a bad idea, but here you are doing it anyway. I don't know what to think, except that you're probably scum if you're going to play it like it's a good idea.
But I'll answer your question anyway:
See you lynched.
Just like Leafsnail right?  I believe there is a reason for everything.  I'm going to get you today scum.

Jim Groovester, I don't like at all that argument you had with Leafsnail yesterday.  You invalid his points by calling them completely useless and pointless until the day is over.
And what about that argument do you dislike?
He muttered about with it stalling for the day end and describing his argument with Leafsnail as "dumb" and "pointless".

I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious
Arrite. Why?
You killed an innocent man.

The Advanced Doppelganger replace has to be used in lieu of the normal dopp kill.
I believe this happened as well, although you are original scum.
Explain.
From Meph's opening post.  Plus I don't see any scum teams who would kill Pandarsenic first night.  Unless something crazy happened yesterday.

Hopefully tomorrow there will be more people posting since it's already tonight where I live and there hasn't been much activity besides two posts.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Think0028 on June 16, 2011, 08:22:26 pm
I guess I can't do much on my old vote until the replacement for BD comes in, so Dariush: a while back, in your post where you voted breadbocks, you preemptively defended yourself against two arguments: the OMGUS of your vote and 'answering questions directed to another'. Why were you worried about people attacking you to the point you felt the need to defend yourself ahead of time? Why did you get aggressive about the particulars of if Toaster was accusing you or not? Why so worried about 'answering questions directed to another' when you were actually questioning EvilTwin's responses? This gets me because EvilTwin didn't ask a single question, nor did you answer any. Why worry about that then?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 16, 2011, 08:55:47 pm
You spent an awful lot of time distancing yourself from Pandarsenic. And only Pandarsenic. Why, people had to point out to you that there were other lurkers in the game.
How have I distanced myself from Pandarsenic?  Is it my fault if Pandarsenic asks me questions?  Should I have ignored him instead then?  Which I think would would work better for distancing instead.

I'm talking about stuff like this:

Spoiler: This (click to show/hide)

These are completely empty and meaningless gestures of suspicion. If you really cared about lurkers you would've FoSed the others before you got called out on it and not just Pandarsenic.

Why did Pandarsenic get your sole attention for lurkers when there were others out there you were ignoring?

This was the last significant post replying to Leafsnail.  You asked Leafsnail to farther define his points which have been doing for one and a half pages at that point and the end of the day was coming very shortly.  Your second reply is a completely dead stop that is just trying to halt conversation.  There is no way Leafsnail would be able to save himself at that point and all the five people voting him never moved like static dummies.  I don't like it.

I asked Leafsnail to back up his accusations with evidence. He repeatedly called my play passive and attempted to justify it with generalizations of my posts. I asked for specific examples. He came back with a fraction of one.

Leafsnail had nothing and I told him as much. How long do I have to argue with bad arguments before the both of us have made our points? Endlessly? Not a chance.

You killed an innocent man.

Oh, come on. This is amateurish scum play.

Scum take the moral high ground after a mislynch because it gives them an easy position to attack people from. An easy, but completely fallacious position, because going after mislynchers is a dead end. It's, like, one of the most common and obvious scum tells.

You should know this. Why are you pressing this line of thought? (Hint: It's because you are scum.)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: ToonyMan on June 16, 2011, 09:06:55 pm
You spent an awful lot of time distancing yourself from Pandarsenic. And only Pandarsenic. Why, people had to point out to you that there were other lurkers in the game.
How have I distanced myself from Pandarsenic?  Is it my fault if Pandarsenic asks me questions?  Should I have ignored him instead then?  Which I think would would work better for distancing instead.
I'm talking about stuff like this:
Spoiler: This (click to show/hide)
These are completely empty and meaningless gestures of suspicion. If you really cared about lurkers you would've FoSed the others before you got called out on it and not just Pandarsenic.
Why did Pandarsenic get your sole attention for lurkers when there were others out there you were ignoring?
He got my attention because I hate when he does his "mid-term" deal thing and completely does nothing the whole day.  It actually seems my suspicious was right since he's not here today.  If anything I was being helpful yesterday with my blue text on people.

This was the last significant post replying to Leafsnail.  You asked Leafsnail to farther define his points which have been doing for one and a half pages at that point and the end of the day was coming very shortly.  Your second reply is a completely dead stop that is just trying to halt conversation.  There is no way Leafsnail would be able to save himself at that point and all the five people voting him never moved like static dummies.  I don't like it.
I asked Leafsnail to back up his accusations with evidence. He repeatedly called my play passive and attempted to justify it with generalizations of my posts. I asked for specific examples. He came back with a fraction of one.
Leafsnail had nothing and I told him as much. How long do I have to argue with bad arguments before the both of us have made our points? Endlessly? Not a chance.
His points weren't bad though.  He was actively attacking you and you didn't know what to do.  I can tell because why would Jim ever let somebody call him scum and get away if he knew they were done for soon.

You killed an innocent man.
Oh, come on. This is amateurish scum play.
Scum take the moral high ground after a mislynch because it gives them an easy position to attack people from. An easy, but completely fallacious position, because going after mislynchers is a dead end. It's, like, one of the most common and obvious scum tells.
You should know this. Why are you pressing this line of thought? (Hint: It's because you are scum.)
Because we need to seek out our suspicions.  Unlike you, I want to find the hidden truths from anything I can find.  What I have right now is good and I want to stick with it.  What are you going to do?  I'm hunting scum with any suspicions I can get.  I don't know what you're doing at all besides sitting there playing the mafia man with secrets.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 16, 2011, 09:50:41 pm
He got my attention because I hate when he does his "mid-term" deal thing and completely does nothing the whole day.  It actually seems my suspicious was right since he's not here today.  If anything I was being helpful yesterday with my blue text on people.

Or, your suspicions were right because you knew he was your partner.

You still haven't answered the other half of the question. Why did you ignore everybody else?

His points weren't bad though.  He was actively attacking you and you didn't know what to do.  I can tell because why would Jim ever let somebody call him scum and get away if he knew they were done for soon.

What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't make any sense.

Because we need to seek out our suspicions.  Unlike you, I want to find the hidden truths from anything I can find.  What I have right now is good and I want to stick with it.  What are you going to do?  I'm hunting scum with any suspicions I can get.  I don't know what you're doing at all besides sitting there playing the mafia man with secrets.

I see most of your accusations lie outside the realm of reality.

Pffffft, hidden truths. This isn't FMA, ToonyElric.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: webadict on June 17, 2011, 07:49:54 am
Hmph. I guess I'll try to be the change.

I'll replace.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 17, 2011, 09:08:01 am
Modface, we need prods for Jokerman (last post 65hrs ago), Dariush (last post 70hrs ago), Janus (last post 114hrs ago), and EvilTwin (last post 121hrs ago).

I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious
Arrite. Why?
You killed an innocent man.

Mislynches happen all the time, boy. Deal.

You've got nothing and you know it, which is why you're reverting to bullshit reasons like this so you can find a lynch. You could've at least been a bit more subtle.


The Advanced Doppelganger replace has to be used in lieu of the normal dopp kill.
I believe this happened as well, although you are original scum.
Explain.
From Meph's opening post.  Plus I don't see any scum teams who would kill Pandarsenic first night.  Unless something crazy happened yesterday.

Hopefully tomorrow there will be more people posting since it's already tonight where I live and there hasn't been much activity besides two posts.

Okay, I'm feeling really dumb right now. Did you mean that you think Jim is a vanilla dopp?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Toaster on June 17, 2011, 09:20:21 am
Toony:  Do you have a case that doesn't suck on:
1) Jim
2) Anyone else?


LNCP:  Are either of your targets scummy enough for a vote?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 17, 2011, 09:32:24 am
LNCP:  Are either of your targets scummy enough for a vote?

Not yet, no.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Darvi on June 17, 2011, 09:44:39 am
My mistake. It was Pandarsenic, your scumbuddy..
Plus I don't see any scum teams who would kill Pandarsenic first night.
Guys, this isn't a restaurant.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Dariush on June 17, 2011, 09:53:27 am
...Nevermind that there was a technically two-day night. Sure.
How, exactly, did breadbocks differ in any way from the targets of your previous OMGUSes?
You confuse terms 'OMGUS' and 'vote', I'm afraid.
And tell me how, exactly, you find scum by sitting on your ass and flailing at whoever happens to question you.
Since when is 'answering questions' classified as 'flailing'?

I explained all my arguments against breadbocks, at least twice. If you didn't see that, don't question me.

Anyways, ToonyMan, I guess the kill didn't go off like you wanted it, huh?
I didn't kill anybody yesterday.

Jim Groovester, I don't like at all that argument you had with Leafsnail yesterday.  You invalid his points by calling them completely useless and pointless until the day is over.  I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious so I will be asking everybody that voted him yesterday, now that his role has been revealed as town, what do you actually plan to do today instead of sitting on your votes/hands?
Wow, that is the most blatant OMGUS I've ever seen. Your only argument seems to be 'You argued with someone who flipped town and you VOTED him!!! SCUM!!!!!'. Why would that be?

And as to your question... Why do care? Mislynches happen constantly. breadbocks was dripping scumminess so he went to noose for that. We're going to take that into account and move on with scumhunt. Now stop buddying (the dead) and do the same.

Pray tell us, Toony, what have YOU found out yesterday? Most of your posts consisted of at most two-line useless remarks, the rest was spent on pounding Pandar and defending breadsnail. And what the fuck was the following?!
I've already admitted my mistake of focusing on Pandarsenic too much for his active-lurking so if it will please you any I'll FoS Darvi and BD as well.
I guess I can't do much on my old vote until the replacement for BD comes in, so Dariush: a while back, in your post where you voted breadbocks, you preemptively defended yourself against two arguments: the OMGUS of your vote and 'answering questions directed to another'. Why were you worried about people attacking you to the point you felt the need to defend yourself ahead of time? Why did you get aggressive about the particulars of if Toaster was accusing you or not? Why so worried about 'answering questions directed to another' when you were actually questioning EvilTwin's responses? This gets me because EvilTwin didn't ask a single question, nor did you answer any. Why worry about that then?
I warned about incoming OMGUS because there's a crapload of people (yes, I'm looking in your direction, LNCP) that will cry foul despite whatever arguments will accompany the vote if it was directed at someone who already had a vote on the voter. The same reason goes for answering questions directed to another. Call it paranoia.

Now, LNCP... On the first day you were active and questioning, on second you start ignoring everyone except for Toony and myself. Why the sudden change? Were you converted at night?

Darvi, is there any particular reason you voted me of were you simply prejoining an impeding bandwagon? What is your opinion on Toony? How about you actually do something except unargumented voting and irrelevant remarks/rule clarifications that belong in Meph's PM?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Mephansteras on June 17, 2011, 11:21:15 am
Webadict will replace Bdthemag.

Unfortunately, JanusTwoFace also needs replacing now.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 17, 2011, 12:53:45 pm
I'm still around. I'm interested to hear what Toaster has to say about Pandar's disappearance. It seems like you've been awfully quite today.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: ToonyMan on June 17, 2011, 02:34:29 pm
He got my attention because I hate when he does his "mid-term" deal thing and completely does nothing the whole day.  It actually seems my suspicious was right since he's not here today.  If anything I was being helpful yesterday with my blue text on people.
Or, your suspicions were right because you knew he was your partner.
You still haven't answered the other half of the question. Why did you ignore everybody else?
I didn't ignore everybody else.  I mentioned Darius, Darvi, and BD as well.

His points weren't bad though.  He was actively attacking you and you didn't know what to do.  I can tell because why would Jim ever let somebody call him scum and get away if he knew they were done for soon.
What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't make any sense.
Can you please point where?  I don't know what see what you're asking at all.

Because we need to seek out our suspicions.  Unlike you, I want to find the hidden truths from anything I can find.  What I have right now is good and I want to stick with it.  What are you going to do?  I'm hunting scum with any suspicions I can get.  I don't know what you're doing at all besides sitting there playing the mafia man with secrets.
I see most of your accusations lie outside the realm of reality.
Pffffft, hidden truths. This isn't FMA, ToonyElric.
I'm seeking my suspicions.  I am suspicious of you, Major Jim, so I am voting you.  Although I admire you're ability to deflect my accusations.

I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious
Arrite. Why?
You killed an innocent man.
Mislynches happen all the time, boy. Deal.
You've got nothing and you know it, which is why you're reverting to bullshit reasons like this so you can find a lynch. You could've at least been a bit more subtle.
Lynching mafia on the first day severely cripples their power and leads to a much more likely town win.  I would also like you to explain how my reasons are "bullshit".  Unless you have something good to say that can help us win.

The Advanced Doppelganger replace has to be used in lieu of the normal dopp kill.
I believe this happened as well, although you are original scum.
Explain.
From Meph's opening post.  Plus I don't see any scum teams who would kill Pandarsenic first night.  Unless something crazy happened yesterday.
Hopefully tomorrow there will be more people posting since it's already tonight where I live and there hasn't been much activity besides two posts.
Okay, I'm feeling really dumb right now. Did you mean that you think Jim is a vanilla dopp?
No, I have no idea what Jim is but he certainly isn't human.

Toony:  Do you have a case that doesn't suck on:
1) Jim
2) Anyone else?
My case doesn't suck.  I want to really do this and Jim is my target currently.  I'll be able to target more people when they actually post useful content or post at all.  I'm still suspicious of Darius from yesterday so we'll be getting there soon.

My mistake. It was Pandarsenic, your scumbuddy..
Plus I don't see any scum teams who would kill Pandarsenic first night.
Guys, this isn't a restaurant.
What are you actually even doing?

Anyways, ToonyMan, I guess the kill didn't go off like you wanted it, huh?
I didn't kill anybody yesterday.
Jim Groovester, I don't like at all that argument you had with Leafsnail yesterday.  You invalid his points by calling them completely useless and pointless until the day is over.  I believe the people voting Leafsnail yesterday are very suspicious so I will be asking everybody that voted him yesterday, now that his role has been revealed as town, what do you actually plan to do today instead of sitting on your votes/hands?
Wow, that is the most blatant OMGUS I've ever seen. Your only argument seems to be 'You argued with someone who flipped town and you VOTED him!!! SCUM!!!!!'. Why would that be?
The only reason this would be an OMGUS is because Jim voted first.  I would have voted him if I was on sooner.  If I seem to recall correctly you OMGUS'd someone yesterday so put a sock in it.

And as to your question... Why do you care? Mislynches happen constantly. breadbocks was dripping scumminess so he went to noose for that. We're going to take that into account and move on with scumhunt. Now stop buddying (the dead) and do the same.
I care because I need as much information as I can get to find the mafia.  What's interesting is you just call it off as just a 'mislynch' like LNCP too...we could do better than that.  Indifferent town really suck, you know?  Especially the other ones that don't bother playing or talk about restaurants.

Pray tell us, Toony, what have YOU found out yesterday? Most of your posts consisted of at most two-line useless remarks, the rest was spent on pounding Pandar and defending breadsnail. And what the fuck was the following?!
I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at.  Have any way to be useful?  How about a scum suspicion list?  That would be good.

I'm still around. I'm interested to hear what Toaster has to say about Pandar's disappearance. It seems like you've been awfully quite today.
Glad to have you here...
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Toaster on June 17, 2011, 02:37:21 pm
Jokerman:
I'm still around. I'm interested to hear what Toaster has to say about Pandar's disappearance. It seems like you've been awfully quite today.

Says the person whose first post of the day is this.

It's possible he was killed- it's possible he was advanced dopp.  Wondering too much about it is WIFOM, hence why I hadn't said anything about it.

What do you think about it?  Why are you being awfully quiet?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: webadict on June 17, 2011, 02:54:05 pm
I have few intentions on rereading this thread, and certainly not on this phone. What do I need to know right now?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 17, 2011, 03:02:22 pm
Guys, this isn't a restaurant.

Hey, uselessface.

You gonna be useless all day?

I didn't ignore everybody else.  I mentioned Darius, Darvi, and BD as well.

Of course. And that's the problem. You only mentioned them. That's the extent of your interaction or suspicion with other lurkers besides Pandarsenic. In other words, bullshit.

His points weren't bad though.  He was actively attacking you and you didn't know what to do.  I can tell because why would Jim ever let somebody call him scum and get away if he knew they were done for soon.
What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't make any sense.
Can you please point where?  I don't know what see what you're asking at all.

I've bolded all the parts that don't make sense.

I don't get what point you're trying to make. People call me scum all the time, and they get away with it because I go straight to the meat of their accusations and refute them. If you're trying to make a meta argument, it sucks, and isn't actually based on my meta, so I suggest you do something about those two things and try again, or explain your point better.

I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at.  Have any way to be useful?  How about a scum suspicion list?  That would be good.

So all your attackers are the scum team?

Well, aren't you just a font of credibility.

Toaster, what's your read on ToonyMan?

Think0028, same question.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: ToonyMan on June 17, 2011, 03:12:57 pm
I didn't ignore everybody else.  I mentioned Darius, Darvi, and BD as well.
Of course. And that's the problem. You only mentioned them. That's the extent of your interaction or suspicion with other lurkers besides Pandarsenic. In other words, bullshit.
I guess there's a chance any game that I don't mention by name every damn player the first day or maybe even the whole game.  Did you successfully "interact" with everybody day 1?

His points weren't bad though.  He was actively attacking you and you didn't know what to do.  I can tell because why would Jim ever let somebody call him scum and get away if he knew they were done for soon.
What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't make any sense.
Can you please point where?  I don't know what see what you're asking at all.
I've bolded all the parts that don't make sense.
I don't get what point you're trying to make. People call me scum all the time, and they get away with it because I go straight to the meat of their accusations and refute them. If you're trying to make a meta argument, it sucks, and isn't actually based on my meta, so I suggest you do something about those two things and try again, or explain your point better.
I guess we won't be getting anywhere with this route.  You are completely avoiding what I am accusing you of.  You did not "get to the meat" of Leafsnail the day just ended for you and your buddies.

I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at.  Have any way to be useful?  How about a scum suspicion list?  That would be good.
So all your attackers are the scum team?
Well, aren't you just a font of credibility.
Maybe if other players actually did something, I know I'm right though.  Don't dismiss my credibility.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 17, 2011, 03:27:00 pm
Claiming you know you're right is an excuse to hold your vote where it is without justification.

Now why would you need to say that?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Toaster on June 17, 2011, 03:41:40 pm
Jim:  Pretty damn scummy.  He's my #2 pick behind Dariush.


Toony:  Your case was crap then and still is.  You didn't mention those lurkers until I specifically asked you about them.  You were going after Pandar for a reason, and it's not because you had a problem with his lurking.  Why?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 17, 2011, 03:47:00 pm
What makes Dariush scummier than ToonyMan?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Mephansteras on June 17, 2011, 06:56:57 pm
The Whiteboard
Dariush: Darvi, Think0028, Toaster
Jim Groovester: ToonyMan
ToonyMan: Dariush, Jim Groovester



Day ends ~5pm Pacific Monday

A Replacement is needed for JanusTwoFace
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Think0028 on June 17, 2011, 09:03:33 pm
I warned about incoming OMGUS because there's a crapload of people (yes, I'm looking in your direction, LNCP) that will cry foul despite whatever arguments will accompany the vote if it was directed at someone who already had a vote on the voter. The same reason goes for answering questions directed to another. Call it paranoia.

Firstly, your reasoning should be sufficient to stand on its own, if it's a good vote. Secondly, this only answers half my question. What questions of EvilTwin did you answer? I'm looking at the post, and I don't see questions, I only see responses. I'm wondering not just why you preemptively defended yourself, I'm wondering why you defended yourself against a accusation that seems hollow to me. Care to explain why you felt that you were answering questions meant for another?

Jim: I don't like ToonyMan's playing style much, it always feels weird to me. That said, he's really acting weird now.

ToonyMan: Why all the tunnelling on Jim? Why freaking out so much over Jim and not the other people who voted breadbocks? Why did your suspect list only come out after you were attacked? If Jim's really 'deflected your accusations', then what are you going to do now? Why did you not mention other lurkers until pointed out otherwise? Why were you so focused on Pandarsenic's lurking but never voting him on it?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Toaster on June 17, 2011, 09:23:24 pm
Jim:  Not much.

Dariush had flip-flop OMGUSes early game, with him unable to come up with a straight answer for voting me before giving up and going after Breadbocks with a bandwagon OMGUS combo.  His D2 post is better than his D1 ones, but he's hardly putting forth great effort or originality into hunting.

Toony had lackluster hunting D1 paired with his odd interactions with Pandar.  Today his attack on you is crap and his arguments borderline nonsense.

Honestly, it's a close call and Dariush has the vote right now mostly because he got it first.  I'd see either of them hang as it is now.



Web:  You should know better than to just read part of the thread.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: webadict on June 17, 2011, 09:31:34 pm
Toaster: Lol, you act like I care.

I don't. Not only that, but I also have things better to do. Reading the thread to find out how stupid all of your scumhunting Day 1 is far from interesting or helpful.

The only thing I saw from my limited accidental seeing was that you were scummy. Also stupid for believing you could learn anything with your questions.

Is that sufficient?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 17, 2011, 11:03:59 pm
Quietfaces, i.e., Darvi, Jokerman-EXE, and EvilTwin.

You have anything to comment on about current happenings?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Vector on June 18, 2011, 12:23:12 am
I can prolly replace into this.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: webadict on June 18, 2011, 07:27:01 am
Why did I replace into this game?!?! Blargh. Like I said, anyone wanna recap for me?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Dariush on June 18, 2011, 09:37:28 am
TonyMen:
Wow, that is the most blatant OMGUS I've ever seen. Your only argument seems to be 'You argued with someone who flipped town and you VOTED him!!! SCUM!!!!!'. Why would that be?
The only reason this would be an OMGUS is because Jim voted first.  I would have voted him if I was on sooner.  If I seem to recall correctly you OMGUS'd someone yesterday so put a sock in it.
Wow, you don't stop at OMGUSing someone out of the blue, you admit to doing it and your only explanation is 'you did it too' (even though I explained my actions and you didn't)? Hang, scum.
And as to your question... Why do you care? Mislynches happen constantly. breadbocks was dripping scumminess so he went to noose for that. We're going to take that into account and move on with scumhunt. Now stop buddying (the dead) and do the same.
I care because I need as much information as I can get to find the mafia.  What's interesting is you just call it off as just a 'mislynch' like LNCP too...we could do better than that.  Indifferent town really suck, you know?  Especially the other ones that don't bother playing or talk about restaurants.
Oh sure, we should be instead fussing over who could do such a terrible deed.
Pray tell us, Toony, what have YOU found out yesterday? Most of your posts consisted of at most two-line useless remarks, the rest was spent on pounding Pandar and defending breadsnail. And what the fuck was the following?!
I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at.  Have any way to be useful?  How about a scum suspicion list?  That would be good.
Wow, that's sudden. Any explanations about your perfect deductions? How about answering my last question? And no scumlist for you until all this replacement shit gets sorted out and everyone posts his thoughts.

Think:
I warned about incoming OMGUS because there's a crapload of people (yes, I'm looking in your direction, LNCP) that will cry foul despite whatever arguments will accompany the vote if it was directed at someone who already had a vote on the voter. The same reason goes for answering questions directed to another. Call it paranoia.
Firstly, your reasoning should be sufficient to stand on its own, if it's a good vote. Secondly, this only answers half my question. What questions of EvilTwin did you answer? I'm looking at the post, and I don't see questions, I only see responses. I'm wondering not just why you preemptively defended yourself, I'm wondering why you defended yourself against a accusation that seems hollow to me. Care to explain why you felt that you were answering questions meant for another?
To be honest, I don't remember why I wrote 'answering questions directed at another'. What I meant was that I was interested in his answers and the suspicious questions he gave Toaster. Why are you so questioning of that exact phrase? Are you desperately seeking a foothold against me?
Now, as I look over your D2 activity, you seem to be doing exactly three things: answering questions directed at you, attacking me over a single phrase in a single post and asking TonyMen the same exact questions asked by other people. What do you think about Jim?

Toaster:
Dariush had flip-flop OMGUSes early game, with him unable to come up with a straight answer for voting me before giving up and going after Breadbocks with a bandwagon OMGUS combo.  His D2 post is better than his D1 ones, but he's hardly putting forth great effort or originality into hunting.
Heh, originality, heh. Trying to deduce scum based on amount of vowels in their posts or by the current weather? And I'm explaining for the... what, fourth time? My vote for you about probabilities was a randomvote, I wanted to see how you would hold out. You held pretty well, so I moved on with my hunting. Now, you yourself look pretty damn quite and inactive, nothing like your usual hyperagressive self. Maybe you should start scumhunting? What is your opinion on Jim?

Jim:
Why are you ignoring and indirectly buddying me?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 18, 2011, 03:33:40 pm
Why did I replace into this game?!?! Blargh. Like I said, anyone wanna recap for me?

ToonyMan is scum.

Or, you can read the thread, you lazy bastard.

Jim:
Why are you ignoring and indirectly buddying me?

You've got a pretty high opinion of your game if you think I'd want to buddy you at all.

Darvi, I remember what you did in Roguelike Mafia, where you tactically lurked through weekends because you knew you wouldn't be held responsible for inactivity.

Well, that's bullshit. You're around the forums and if you're around the forums you can be posting here, so you should be. And the grand total of all your contributions in this game amounts to jack shit.

Get your ass in here and start explaining yourself.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Vector on June 18, 2011, 03:37:32 pm
Hi.  Replaced in, can't post right now... hopefully tonight.  I'm too emotionally strung out.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Think0028 on June 18, 2011, 04:00:33 pm
Dariush, I'm questioning the exact phrase because you seemed unusually nervous and paranoid at the time, not to mention you sidestepped the question when I initially asked you. In addition, I'm hardly 'questioning you over a single phrase in a single post', I'm questioning you about multiple things. Also, the only things I've done are question my suspect, answer questions posed at me, and ask questions of someone who's acting scummy? Boy, I must be really lazy. Why are you so eager to twist my intentions?

As for Jim, I don't see anything really suspicious about him at the moment. He's being collected and active. Then again, he's Jim, so that's a given.

Jokerman: are you going to join in? You've contributed awfully little to date, with some RV questions and then a vote on Pandarsenic for lurking. You then promptly lurked through Thursday, only coming in when prodded. What do you think about ToonyMan now? You mentioned you had suspicions of him yesterday. How about now?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: ToonyMan on June 18, 2011, 07:09:17 pm
I've been busy last night and all day today with Graduation so bear with me today I'm a little tired but at least I'm posting.

Claiming you know you're right is an excuse to hold your vote where it is without justification.
Now why would you need to say that?
Because I think I'm right?  That's why my vote is on you in the first place.

ToonyMan: Why all the tunnelling on Jim? Why freaking out so much over Jim and not the other people who voted breadbocks? Why did your suspect list only come out after you were attacked? If Jim's really 'deflected your accusations', then what are you going to do now? Why did you not mention other lurkers until pointed out otherwise? Why were you so focused on Pandarsenic's lurking but never voting him on it?
Well to build an attack on somebody you need to actually say stuff to them.  My suspect list came after only because it was asked for I think?  I know I said it with full confidence though.  What I want to do now is have other people actually play the game.  There's four people who could be talking and voting people which is making today a very slow day thanks to the absent, oh well, I'm tired.  I would have voted Pandarsenic but I was voting Dariush at the time, who I found more suspicious for his faulty logic I believe.

TooooneeeeyMan:
Wow, that is the most blatant OMGUS I've ever seen. Your only argument seems to be 'You argued with someone who flipped town and you VOTED him!!! SCUM!!!!!'. Why would that be?
The only reason this would be an OMGUS is because Jim voted first.  I would have voted him if I was on sooner.  If I seem to recall correctly you OMGUS'd someone yesterday so put a sock in it.
Wow, you don't stop at OMGUSing someone out of the blue, you admit to doing it and your only explanation is 'you did it too' (even though I explained my actions and you didn't)? Hang, scum.
Where did I admit it?  As I said my vote would have clearly been on him if I was on earlier.  I can't prove that but that's the price to pay.

And as to your question... Why do you care? Mislynches happen constantly. breadbocks was dripping scumminess so he went to noose for that. We're going to take that into account and move on with scumhunt. Now stop buddying (the dead) and do the same.
I care because I need as much information as I can get to find the mafia.  What's interesting is you just call it off as just a 'mislynch' like LNCP too...we could do better than that.  Indifferent town really suck, you know?  Especially the other ones that don't bother playing or talk about restaurants.
Oh sure, we should be instead fussing over who could do such a terrible deed.
Or maybe being helpful and hunting scum?

Pray tell us, Toony, what have YOU found out yesterday? Most of your posts consisted of at most two-line useless remarks, the rest was spent on pounding Pandar and defending breadsnail. And what the fuck was the following?!
I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at.  Have any way to be useful?  How about a scum suspicion list?  That would be good.
Wow, that's sudden. Any explanations about your perfect deductions? How about answering my last question? And no scumlist for you until all this replacement shit gets sorted out and everyone posts his thoughts.
Dariush comes up from yesterday, you don't just change into town during the night so you're suspcions still hold from Day 1.  Jim comes from do I have to even explain it again, and LNCP would be a third choice because of his indifference to hunting scum and based on his 'mislynch' opinions.  Thanks for not answering my questions though, you're not being helpful at all again #2 scum pick.


Can we get some other people playing now?  I'm kinda tired of speaking with the same people and want some fresh faces who are still clearly alive.  Lurkers get out here!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Toaster on June 18, 2011, 08:09:34 pm
Web:
Why did I replace into this game?!?! Blargh. Like I said, anyone wanna recap for me?

Quick summary:

D1 scummy people were breadbocks, Dariush, and Toony.  Breadbocks is replaced by Leafsnail, who addresses points in a non-scummy way, but no one moves their vote and he is lynched.  D2 Dariush is less scummy, but Toony is more scummy.  Lots of people are very quiet.


Dariush:
Toaster:
Dariush had flip-flop OMGUSes early game, with him unable to come up with a straight answer for voting me before giving up and going after Breadbocks with a bandwagon OMGUS combo.  His D2 post is better than his D1 ones, but he's hardly putting forth great effort or originality into hunting.
Heh, originality, heh. Trying to deduce scum based on amount of vowels in their posts or by the current weather? And I'm explaining for the... what, fourth time? My vote for you about probabilities was a randomvote, I wanted to see how you would hold out. You held pretty well, so I moved on with my hunting. Now, you yourself look pretty damn quite and inactive, nothing like your usual hyperagressive self. Maybe you should start scumhunting? What is your opinion on Jim?

Let me reiterate for you:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338672#msg2338672  Here you're voting for me for claiming Kook twice in a row.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2338749#msg2338749  Here it's because of my reaction to your RV on me.

Now, in the post I just quoted, it was an extended random vote.  That's three different reasons for the same vote.  If that's not a scummy vote, I don't know what is.   Don't tell me I'm not scum hunting when I've found scum in you.

Jim is being active and hunting.  He reads town to me.


Toony:  You missed this question.
Toony:  Your case was crap then and still is.  You didn't mention those lurkers until I specifically asked you about them.  You were going after Pandar for a reason, and it's not because you had a problem with his lurking.  Why?


EvilTwin:  Are you here?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 18, 2011, 10:15:56 pm
Work devouring life.

I don't want to ask for a replace but it's teetering at that point. Just...if I can make it through this weekend then I can be more active. Bear with me.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: ToonyMan on June 18, 2011, 10:29:02 pm
Toony:  You missed this question.
Toony:  Your case was crap then and still is.  You didn't mention those lurkers until I specifically asked you about them.  You were going after Pandar for a reason, and it's not because you had a problem with his lurking.  Why?
I wasn't going after Pandarsenic for lurking for any particular reason, it's just what happened.  I took notice of his 'mid-term' excuses (as I've said) too much.

Work devouring life.
I don't want to ask for a replace but it's teetering at that point. Just...if I can make it through this weekend then I can be more active. Bear with me.
I just had my High School Graduation man, can you at least post your thoughts and suspicions?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 19, 2011, 12:57:44 pm
Horrible participation is horrible.

Where the fuck is everybody?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Vector on June 19, 2011, 01:00:09 pm
Horrible participation is horrible.

Where the fuck is everybody?

Studying for my German exam and finishing off an argument in my progressivist thread.  I have a lot of crap to do today, so I'm probably trying for a reread tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: ToonyMan on June 19, 2011, 02:02:20 pm
Damn, I wake up today and still nothing.  It makes me sad.  :[
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Dariush on June 20, 2011, 02:34:28 am
Extend.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Vector on June 20, 2011, 02:37:14 am
Whoops, Extend as well.

As I said, writeup tomorrow after my exam.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 20, 2011, 02:40:30 am
Extend.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 20, 2011, 06:39:38 am
Unvote ToonyMan. I propose a policy lynch.

Let's Lynch All Lurkers. We have so many to choose from.

Let's start with Darvi.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: ToonyMan on June 20, 2011, 09:05:16 am
Dammit, I hate stuff like this.  It's not fun for anybody.  Darvi, do you have an explanation for why you're posting in other threads on the board, but not here?  Is it because you don't care or because you have absolutely nothing to say?

Same for the other lurkers...ugh not like they'd response... :[

Yeah, you're right Jim.  Extend and vote Darvi, play or be lynched.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Toaster on June 20, 2011, 09:41:02 am
Toony and Jim:  The way you two just suddendly set aside your differences and joined hand-in-hand to slay lurkers is cute.

However, why just one?


LNCP:  Lurk alert on you.  Could you reiterate your top three picks with reasons?  Anything new since your last post?


EvilTwin hasn't posted since day start, despite being online.  He certainly needs a prod.


Darvi:  Top three picks from you, please.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: ToonyMan on June 20, 2011, 09:46:56 am
You can't lynch more than one person a day.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Toaster on June 20, 2011, 10:01:04 am
But why ignore the other two high-level lurkers?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 20, 2011, 10:14:19 am
Jokerman:
I'm still around. I'm interested to hear what Toaster has to say about Pandar's disappearance. It seems like you've been awfully quite today.

Says the person whose first post of the day is this.

It's possible he was killed- it's possible he was advanced dopp.  Wondering too much about it is WIFOM, hence why I hadn't said anything about it.

What do you think about it?  Why are you being awfully quiet?

The reason I pointed this out was because when everyone was talking about Pandar's disappearance, you were conveniently quiet and didn't comment on it unless I asked. In itself, that's not too much of anything, but it just seemed a little out of the ordinary for you.

Jokerman: are you going to join in? You've contributed awfully little to date, with some RV questions and then a vote on Pandarsenic for lurking. You then promptly lurked through Thursday, only coming in when prodded. What do you think about ToonyMan now? You mentioned you had suspicions of him yesterday. How about now?

ToonyMan...well, I don't like it, to be honest. Each of his posts seems flustered and somewhat scattered, which is different from his scum game where he typically seems more professional and in control. He's also spent all day defending himself and only attacking Jim, which is an OMGUS no matter what the argument, and is also not at all beneficial to town. He gave in too easily and moved his vote to Darvi, which looks like him trying to let the attacks on him die off.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Think0028 on June 20, 2011, 10:53:25 am
Extend.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Mephansteras on June 20, 2011, 11:32:51 am
The Whiteboard
Dariush: Darvi, Think0028, Toaster
Darvi: Jim Groovester, ToonyMan
ToonyMan: Dariush, Jokerman-EXE



Day has been Extended to ~5pm Pacific Tuesday
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: webadict on June 20, 2011, 11:56:54 am
Extend again, Meph. God dang, you'd think 48 hour extensions were the bane of all existence.

I'll read this some time later, as I've got no work today, but a whole lot to do.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 20, 2011, 03:20:09 pm
Toony and Jim:  The way you two just suddendly set aside your differences and joined hand-in-hand to slay lurkers is cute.

However, why just one?

Prodding them isn't doing anything, and I've only got one vote.

The whole point of a policy lynch is to stop shitty behavior like this from happening at all, and you have to start somewhere.

I pick Darvi because, 1) he's been deliberately lurking since he's been very active elsewhere on the forums, and 2) his contributions amount to less than Jokerman-EXE's.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 20, 2011, 07:14:18 pm
I is back from my resting days. Extend.

How, exactly, did breadbocks differ in any way from the targets of your previous OMGUSes?
You confuse terms 'OMGUS' and 'vote', I'm afraid.

I'd say that your heated attacks toward your voters D1 constitutes OMGUSes.

And tell me how, exactly, you find scum by sitting on your ass and flailing at whoever happens to question you.

Since when is 'answering questions' classified as 'flailing'?

I explained all my arguments against breadbocks, at least twice. If you didn't see that, don't question me.

Answering questions my ass. You were chucking crap attacks at people like they were cheap cigars.

Now, LNCP... On the first day you were active and questioning, on second you start ignoring everyone except for Toony and myself. Why the sudden change? Were you converted at night?

I've stopped being general because I have some stuff to go on. I wouldn't say focus is a bad thing.

Pray tell us, Toony, what have YOU found out yesterday? Most of your posts consisted of at most two-line useless remarks, the rest was spent on pounding Pandar and defending breadsnail. And what the fuck was the following?!
I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at.  Have any way to be useful?  How about a scum suspicion list?  That would be good.

How and why?

LNCP:  Lurk alert on you.  Could you reiterate your top three picks with reasons?  Anything new since your last post?

Alert received. I lost my touch with this thread, so I'll need to reread, but as of now they are:

Dariush for being a funny smelling bastard with OMGUSes at the ready, and with no real use backing him
ToonyMan for a crap D2 attack, and scummy Pandar distancing
Think and Darvi for being quiet and/or useless.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Replacement Requested
Post by: Think0028 on June 20, 2011, 07:27:51 pm
Extend again because 48-hour extensions eff yeah.
Think and Darvi for being quiet and/or useless.
Sayeth the pot. 10-hour D&D session yesterday + LotR marathon Saturday = not many posts from Think0028.

Toony: Why suddenly deciding to work with Jim, your scumtarget #1?

Jim: Would initiating Lynch All Lurkers really be the best thing to do here? I understand we don't have anything to go on for lurkers, but is policy lynching the best response?

... Granted, we've already gone through 4 replacements, and I don't want to start getting replacements for replacements...
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 20, 2011, 07:34:40 pm
If it scares people into posting, then yes.

If they end up lynched because they didn't post, oh well. Too bad for them. Maybe they should've tried posting.

Policy lynches are usually terrible ideas but the participation in this game is so atrocious I don't know what else to do to get people off their lazy asses.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: ToonyMan on June 20, 2011, 07:44:00 pm
Pray tell us, Toony, what have YOU found out yesterday? Most of your posts consisted of at most two-line useless remarks, the rest was spent on pounding Pandar and defending breadsnail. And what the fuck was the following?!
I found out that you, Jim, and LNCP are probably the scum team we're looking at.  Have any way to be useful?  How about a scum suspicion list?  That would be good.
How and why?
Hoho, I've already answered that.
Dariush comes up from yesterday, you don't just change into town during the night so you're suspcions still hold from Day 1.  Jim comes from do I have to even explain it again, and LNCP would be a third choice because of his indifference to hunting scum and based on his 'mislynch' opinions.

Toony: Why suddenly deciding to work with Jim, your scumtarget #1?
Hey look people are posting a lot more suddenly (not the lurkers still though).  This is way better than before and I'd rather choose a different target to come out than get stuck in a silent stalemate where we run out of things to say to each other since nobody else is playing.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: webadict on June 20, 2011, 09:34:38 pm
Unvote ToonyMan. I propose a policy lynch.

Let's Lynch All Lurkers. We have so many to choose from.

Let's start with Darvi.
I am actually going to agree with you here, Jimmy Dean. Lynching Darvi is a good idea, considering that using a meta-argument of his scummitude in Dethy, which he is also lurking in, and the fact that he was posting for several hours before posting in the lurking thread, which means he is, in fact, not trying to post at all and is lurking. I can get behind this LAL specifically because he's lurking hardcore.

I would consider Toaster to be scum as well, based solely on almost nothing. He seems to be trying to subtly push everyone away from Darvi as opposed to anyone else. He finds no reason against it, but passively defends Darvi nonetheless.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Toaster on June 20, 2011, 10:15:22 pm
Jokerman:  I always ignore the NK targets.  I've said over and over that it is nothing but WIFOM.  What do you think of the lurker lynch?


Jim:  What made you think I meant Joker?  I meant LNCP (who has posted now) and EvilTwin (who still hasn't.)   Fair enough on your reasoning, though.


LNCP:  Fair enough.  Waiting to hear your reread results.


Toony:  You missed another question from me.  (Why just one target when going after lurkers?)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 20, 2011, 10:28:56 pm
Jim:  What made you think I meant Joker?  I meant LNCP (who has posted now) and EvilTwin (who still hasn't.)   Fair enough on your reasoning, though.

It was for comparison. I.E., Jokerman-EXE has posted more than Darvi, even though Jokerman-EXE posts really infrequently.

What do you make of Darvi and his shameless, deliberate lurking?

Fraulein Vector, how's your German test?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: ToonyMan on June 20, 2011, 10:36:00 pm
Toony:  You missed another question from me.  (Why just one target when going after lurkers?)
Not one target.  Choosing best option right now, can't choose other options unless I force them out with the red votes.  This is useless if I can only vote one person.  Better to stick to one target instead of nothing happening.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 20, 2011, 11:01:37 pm
I think there's been a terrible shortage of real posters, and now that I'm back from my terrible weekend I'm not afraid of it.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Vector on June 20, 2011, 11:46:23 pm
Fraulein Vector, how's your German test?

Es hat Balls sucken.

Working on ass => gear, but... yeah, I wasn't following this at all, and then JTF PM'd to ask me to replace, and then suddenly I'm trying desperately to move out and I finally got some opportunities to hang out with my roommates that I hadn't really been able to do stuff with all semester.

And I have to send an assload of emails, and write homework (... that is Russian fucking with me, by the way), and continue with housecleaning crap because my damned roommate wants to pin EVERYTHING on me.

So that's a very long-winded explanation for "I'm starting it tonight, but I won't be able to finish it tonight and in fact intend to post whatever reads and questions I have up tomorrow morning."

But I'll get started here.

Toaster, what do you think the most important questions for scum to ask are?

Jokerman-Exe, how do you usually reintegrate yourself into the game after avoiding RVS?  How well does that work for you?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Dariush on June 21, 2011, 02:43:03 am
silent stalemate where we run out of things to say to each other since nobody else is playing.
We're already there.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: EvilTwin on June 21, 2011, 06:49:03 am
Sorry for inactivity guys, there's too much RL stuff going on at the moment I had not seen coming. (An epic battle with several social departments because I don't want to empty my bank account inbetween civil service and college, cleaning up and painting my whole flat because I move to Berlin for college, searching a new flat in Berlin and some family issues...)

I guess that means I gotta ask for replacement :/ Sorry again.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: EvilTwin on June 21, 2011, 06:50:16 am
Should've said Replacement
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Dariush on June 21, 2011, 08:12:22 am
...I think the title should be changed to be less misleading.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: webadict on June 21, 2011, 08:53:48 am
How come no one wants to talk to me?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Mephansteras on June 21, 2011, 11:12:50 am
The Whiteboard
Dariush: Darvi, Think0028, Toaster
Darvi: webadict, Jim Groovester, ToonyMan
ToonyMan: Dariush, Jokerman-EXE



Day has been Extended to ~5pm Pacific Wednesday

EvilTwin now needs a Replacement
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Toaster on June 21, 2011, 11:20:14 am
Jim:
What do you make of Darvi and his shameless, deliberate lurking?

Well, he asked for a replacement (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=68861.msg2372471#msg2372471) (cough Meph) so I guess I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.


Vector:  For scum to ask?  Ones that lead to a mislynch.  They should put up a good hunting front, but probably focus more on setting up a trap to catch someone unwary.


Web:
How come no one wants to talk to me?

Because you're a big mean jerk.  Poopiehead.

More seriously, what does Darvi's replacement request do to your plans?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - 2 Replacements needed
Post by: Mephansteras on June 21, 2011, 11:29:33 am
Well, he asked for a replacement (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=68861.msg2372471#msg2372471) (cough Meph) so I guess I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

*sigh* Hadn't read that thread.

Ok, 2 replacements needed.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 21, 2011, 12:27:28 pm
Still reading the thread.

This is unusually high turnover for a Mafia game. What's going on?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Think0028 on June 21, 2011, 12:37:25 pm
Still reading the thread.

This is unusually high turnover for a Mafia game. What's going on?

Most of the replaces seem like real life screwing people over (see Darvi, EvilTwin), so I think it's just exceptionally bad luck.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 21, 2011, 12:57:19 pm
Jokerman-Exe, how do you usually reintegrate yourself into the game after avoiding RVS?  How well does that work for you?

Even though I'm not posting and being a part of it, I follow along with what's being said. Then, as soon as the conversation leaves RVS and enters the real game, I'll point out something that catches my eye, or I'll ask a question for clarification that someone else didn't ask.

It works pretty well for me. I've played more than a few games using this style.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 21, 2011, 01:33:17 pm
webadict, I realise you can't read your replace's mind, but do you have anything to say regarding BDthemag's behaviour D1+2?
He had asked a few questions at the start of the game, which were then promptly abandoned. The only notable action that he did afterward was to jump on my question to breadbocks here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2339312#msg2339312). When asked for some reasoning behind the jump by several people, he conveniently disappeared, and the only post made after that was chucking out a few more useless questions, blatantly ignoring said requests.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Toaster on June 21, 2011, 01:45:46 pm
Joker:
Then, as soon as the conversation leaves RVS and enters the real game...

When did that happen this game?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 21, 2011, 03:12:34 pm
Jim:
What do you make of Darvi and his shameless, deliberate lurking?

Well, he asked for a replacement (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=68861.msg2372471#msg2372471) (cough Meph) so I guess I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

He was lurking up a storm well before he asked for a replacement. He only asked for it on Monday. It doesn't explain his lurking before that. And he was doing a lot of it.

How come no one wants to talk to me?

Because you smell bad.

You've got opinions on Darvi and Toaster. What are your thoughts on others?

Still reading the thread.

Good. Then what's your read on all the quiet people?

Who are all the quiet people? How about the ones you think are quiet.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Vector on June 21, 2011, 03:15:06 pm
I really hate this, but at this point I almost want to ask for a reboot.

This'll be, what, 6 replacements in a 13p game?  And everyone else is lurking?  I don't think there's any way we're going to get that many, and, frankly, I don't think that all of us want to read over 20 pages of people lurking and dropping.

But, that's just me.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Back to full
Post by: Think0028 on June 21, 2011, 03:24:24 pm
Jim:
What do you make of Darvi and his shameless, deliberate lurking?

Well, he asked for a replacement (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=68861.msg2372471#msg2372471) (cough Meph) so I guess I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

He was lurking up a storm well before he asked for a replacement. He only asked for it on Monday. It doesn't explain his lurking before that. And he was doing a lot of it.

From the context of his post, I presume he's been having a killer dental headache all weekend and lurked due to pain.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 21, 2011, 03:51:16 pm
I read his post. That's very nice of you to come out in his defense, though. Why are you bothering?

Does his raging toothache explain his miserable participation on Day 1? Does it explain why he was posting everywhere and anywhere but here?

I still think there's an argument to be made about horrible terrible lurking.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Think0028 on June 21, 2011, 04:08:01 pm
I read his post. That's very nice of you to come out in his defense, though. Why are you bothering?

Because I shattered my two front teeth last year and went through dental hell for the next several months, I'm sympathizing with him. Good points about him otherwise.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 21, 2011, 04:15:19 pm
Good points?

So what does that mean? You agree with me about him being lurking scum?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Think0028 on June 21, 2011, 04:32:26 pm
Good points?

So what does that mean? You agree with me about him being lurking scum?

Lurking, yes. I had assumed you were talking in the context of 'him not posting very recently', and I wanted to defend his case of dental pain, as I know from personal experience that high-level thinking isn't really doable when your teeth hurt. However, when you pointed out that he had been posting elsewhere and you were also referring to his Day 1 lurking, I realized I misunderstood. As for scum, he's definitely suspicious as hell, but my vote's still on Dariush.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: webadict on June 21, 2011, 04:33:57 pm
webadict, I realise you can't read your replace's mind, but do you have anything to say regarding BDthemag's behaviour D1+2?
He had asked a few questions at the start of the game, which were then promptly abandoned. The only notable action that he did afterward was to jump on my question to breadbocks here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83499.msg2339312#msg2339312). When asked for some reasoning behind the jump by several people, he conveniently disappeared, and the only post made after that was chucking out a few more useless questions, blatantly ignoring said requests.
I haven't even had time to read Day 1 and Day 2, nor do I find an interest in doing so now. I can't read my predecessor's mind, but it doesn't really matter as I'm Town. I can't say anything else about anything as I haven't even clicked the link.

Jim:
I don't have opinions on anyone else just yet. I'm still not interested in reading through all of this, mostly because nothing interesting is in there. Better off finding all new information.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Mephansteras on June 21, 2011, 05:43:51 pm
I really hate this, but at this point I almost want to ask for a reboot.

This'll be, what, 6 replacements in a 13p game?  And everyone else is lurking?  I don't think there's any way we're going to get that many, and, frankly, I don't think that all of us want to read over 20 pages of people lurking and dropping.

But, that's just me.

Might be worthwhile, if most of the active players would prefer a reboot. This is certainly a large % of replacements!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 21, 2011, 06:02:11 pm
Meh, might as well.

I'd troop through with or without one, but we'll probably have a better game if we do.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Vector on June 21, 2011, 06:18:55 pm
Might be worthwhile, if most of the active players would prefer a reboot. This is certainly a large % of replacements!

Please.

A reboot, complete with re-signups and so on, so that those who don't want to play can leave the game, and those of us who do want to play have a chance at actually playing.  I could see continuing if we were in the endgame, but... yeah, this hill is too darned big for me to feel like walking up it right now.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Think0028 on June 21, 2011, 06:39:06 pm
Yeah, a reboot is probably the best thing to do now.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 21, 2011, 06:49:29 pm
I wouldn't mind either way.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Toaster on June 21, 2011, 10:26:06 pm
Either.  I hate to see a game go, but six replacements midway through D2 is absurd.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: ToonyMan on June 21, 2011, 10:37:44 pm
Yeah a reboot would be must enjoyable for me.  I'm guessing that means our roles get rescrambled though?  :[
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 21, 2011, 11:58:40 pm
I guess I can go for either. A reboot wouldn't be my first choice but I certainly won't stand in the way of the majority.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Max White on June 22, 2011, 12:02:15 am
You guys planning to start again then?
I guess I would like to be in on that if you do, otherwise, disreguard this.


Been lurkering this thread for a while now...
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 - Two more replacements needed
Post by: Mephansteras on June 22, 2011, 12:30:45 am
Sounds like a reboot is best, then. I'll get the new one open for sign-ups.

Please go over here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=87352.0) to sign up for the new game.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 -Rebooting
Post by: Think0028 on June 22, 2011, 12:33:07 am
Is it cool if we post our old roles?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 -Rebooting
Post by: Mephansteras on June 22, 2011, 12:36:40 am
Is it cool if we post our old roles?

I'll go ahead and post the role and night pms here so people can see them.


Dopp Chat:   http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/qj7jgLc8FdZNV   
Dead Chat:   http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/JYdGUNU4aUs8f   
Hivemind Chat:   http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/Xn7YfKu7wBA   

Spoiler: roles (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Night 1 Actions (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 -Rebooting
Post by: Think0028 on June 22, 2011, 12:47:17 am
Ahahahah, Toaster totally worried over Jokerman knowing that Panda visited Toaster in scumchat. We got lucky with converting Toaster, and I'm willing to bet that we would've killed Jim at night, which would've made things a lot safer all around. Too bad about Jim convincing people to Lynch All Lurkers. The only question would be if BD kept protecting Jim, which would suck.

Also go scumteam T!
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 -Rebooting
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 22, 2011, 01:03:34 am
Meph, what kind of Hivemind was Dariush? I remember some discussion in the rules thread that there were different limitations to who the Hivemind can convert based on whether they picked Tech or Psychic Hivemind, like the tech Hivemind would convert players guarding the intended target instead of the target itself.

Were those all done away with?

Here we go, it was right here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=34959.msg1806299#msg1806299). By the differences listed there I should not have been converted at all, because of Bdthemag's protection.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 -Rebooting
Post by: ToonyMan on June 22, 2011, 01:46:04 am
Maybe next game I won't be mafia finally.  :I

Or be mafia with Pandarsenic...again...and again...
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 -Rebooting
Post by: breadbocks on June 22, 2011, 01:55:08 am
Just saw the results, and gotta say. Called Dariush being Anti-Town. Called it.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 -Rebooting
Post by: ToonyMan on June 22, 2011, 01:55:44 am
Just saw the results, and gotta say. Called Dariush being Anti-Town. Called it.
Well congratulations.  Make use of that ability next game.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 -Rebooting
Post by: Dariush on June 22, 2011, 03:07:55 am
Nobody asked me about a reboot  :'( I got such an awesome role and I might have finally won... But no...

Well, at least I won't do any stupid mistakes next time.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 -Rebooting
Post by: webadict on June 22, 2011, 07:27:43 am
lol, I told you Toaster was scum. :P
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 -Rebooting
Post by: Toaster on June 22, 2011, 08:36:57 am
lol, I told you Toaster was scum. :P

Yeah, but I was town D1, so any read you got off it was invalid.

At least I called it on Dariush... and Joker's interest in me.  Joker, why didn't you claim?
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 -Rebooting
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 22, 2011, 09:00:32 am
I was holding onto it for a little longer, but it wasn't hard for me to figure out what had happened. I mean, come on.
Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia 19 - Day 2 -Rebooting
Post by: Mephansteras on June 22, 2011, 10:17:20 am
Meph, what kind of Hivemind was Dariush? I remember some discussion in the rules thread that there were different limitations to who the Hivemind can convert based on whether they picked Tech or Psychic Hivemind, like the tech Hivemind would convert players guarding the intended target instead of the target itself.

Were those all done away with?

Here we go, it was right here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=34959.msg1806299#msg1806299). By the differences listed there I should not have been converted at all, because of Bdthemag's protection.

He was tech. And, yeah, you're right. I'd forgotten about those differences. I think I need to add those rules to the description of the hivemind.