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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16725 on: May 20, 2015, 01:05:07 pm »

Yes, nobody would notice an increase in the supply of money. That's definitely the reason they don't print literal money now, because people would see them printing it.
An obvious solution to this problem is just to reduce everyone's money accounts proportionally in order to maintain the same amount of money in the system. Clearly this solution cannot possibly backfire in any imaginable situation.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16726 on: May 20, 2015, 01:15:06 pm »

But taking money from transactions is stupid, because it discourages people from making transactions and thus artificially slow down the economy!
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16727 on: May 20, 2015, 01:27:19 pm »

But then people that sit on piles of treasure would unjustfully be left untaxed!

And this can't be allowed to happen.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16728 on: May 20, 2015, 01:31:05 pm »

No see, the solution here is to go back to the Roman system, where you paid as much as the taxman thought he could extract from you because he got a finder's fee for it.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16729 on: May 20, 2015, 01:51:18 pm »

No see, the solution here is to go back to the Roman system, where you paid as much as the taxman thought he could extract from you because he got a finder's fee for it.
I work so hard in arranging the blocks, but the landlord and taxman bleed me dry...
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16730 on: May 20, 2015, 01:53:41 pm »

You load sixteen torrents, and what do you git? Another day older and deeper in government shit.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16731 on: May 20, 2015, 03:53:26 pm »

Clearly the best tax system is mob taxation, you keep what cannot be seized in popular uprising and redistributed.  :P
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16732 on: May 20, 2015, 05:33:30 pm »

Well, no one just sits on money in the bank; they stick it in stocks and the like. Tax the stock market!
Would that not just lower demand for investment, lowering stock prices and GDP with it? All the while the rich just buy up a shit ton of real assets?

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16733 on: May 20, 2015, 06:24:27 pm »

Russia unveils their Navy Seal team.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16734 on: May 20, 2015, 10:15:11 pm »

Russia unveils their Navy Seal team.
Now that's military expenditure I can get on board with.
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« Reply #16735 on: May 21, 2015, 01:22:02 am »

Well, no one just sits on money in the bank; they stick it in stocks and the like. Tax the stock market!
Would that not just lower demand for investment, lowering stock prices and GDP with it? All the while the rich just buy up a shit ton of real assets?
For as long as the return on capital invested in the stock market is greater than the return on capital invested elsewhere a tax on it doesn't change much. In Austria we have a 25% capital gains tax that was recently extended to gains from the stock market. Did not hurt the Austrian stock market. r is still greater than g
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16736 on: May 21, 2015, 01:52:09 am »

Of course, the true problem is the fact that once you have enough money, you can just invest it elsewhere; if there is too much taxation in Denmark, rich Danes will just invest in China/USA/Hungary/wherever. Of course, if you are just an ordinary citizen with couple tens of thousands of euro, you're screwed... But not if you are filthy rich. Remember the time when France tried to set some incredible tax on people earning a lot of money? It wasn't all that long ago.

Banning cash has one target and one target only, to increase control of the state (and perhaps banks) over the citizens. It won't help in stopping illegal activities, at best it will reduce them by tiny amount for a short period of time, before the alternatives come up. Not to mention that it will make legal-but-shitty actions by the banks all that much easier in the meantime, not to mention legal-because-the-perpetrator-decided-so actions by the state, like bail-ins and stuff.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16737 on: May 21, 2015, 03:14:42 am »

I thought this was about undeclared work/income tax evasion.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16738 on: May 21, 2015, 03:34:52 am »

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #16739 on: May 21, 2015, 06:09:50 am »

Of course, the true problem is the fact that once you have enough money, you can just invest it elsewhere; if there is too much taxation in Denmark, rich Danes will just invest in China/USA/Hungary/wherever. Of course, if you are just an ordinary citizen with couple tens of thousands of euro, you're screwed... But not if you are filthy rich. Remember the time when France tried to set some incredible tax on people earning a lot of money? It wasn't all that long ago.

Banning cash has one target and one target only, to increase control of the state (and perhaps banks) over the citizens. It won't help in stopping illegal activities, at best it will reduce them by tiny amount for a short period of time, before the alternatives come up. Not to mention that it will make legal-but-shitty actions by the banks all that much easier in the meantime, not to mention legal-because-the-perpetrator-decided-so actions by the state, like bail-ins and stuff.
That's why all kind of tax evasion should be an offense punished by incarceration. If too many people are hiding in Monaco or Switzerland I believe that military intervention is a righteous response, regardless what the UN says, and these places should be put under direct EU administration anyway.

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