Post by: Leafsnail on November 09, 2009, 12:21:31 pm
Spoiler: Disclaimer (click to show/hide)
]The issues.
Spoiler: The Issues - Summary (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: The Issues (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Signups (12/12) + Roleflips (3/12 still alive) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Revealed Role Pms (8) (click to show/hide)
Yeah, so that's about it. Your role pm will clearly seperate alignment related abilties, passive abilties, active abilities and issue related abilities, so there shouldn't be too much confusion there. This game probably won't start for quite a while, perhaps after Panda's edition of BYOR mafia ends. Please feel free to ask any questions about the game here.
Post by: ExKirby on November 09, 2009, 12:28:40 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 09, 2009, 12:31:21 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 09, 2009, 12:35:33 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 09, 2009, 01:02:56 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on November 09, 2009, 01:34:59 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 09, 2009, 02:11:24 pm
:D
Post by: Eduren on November 09, 2009, 04:38:03 pm
We need a slogan!
Post by: Leafsnail on November 09, 2009, 05:03:26 pm
Spoiler: Living up to the disclaimer (click to show/hide)
Post by: RedWarrior0 on November 09, 2009, 08:40:51 pm
Post by: Org on November 09, 2009, 08:44:08 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 09, 2009, 09:00:56 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 10, 2009, 02:07:07 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 12, 2009, 10:30:44 pm
Let's get some more people in here!
Post by: Halmie on November 12, 2009, 10:45:18 pm
The disclaimer made it sound like GTA.
In. (I've got way too much time on my hands)
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 12, 2009, 10:49:44 pm
One of toadys earlier games
If you have not tried it yet, then you need too.
Post by: Halmie on November 12, 2009, 10:58:16 pm
Thanks
Post by: Humaan on November 13, 2009, 06:05:54 am
*Hopes for a "Founder" role*
Post by: Alexhans on November 13, 2009, 07:02:27 am
Please... make it similar to this one:
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=28682.0
To those who don't know about Liberal Crime Squad... Shame on you!! It's what brought me here!! Check out the curses forum subsection to see how's it being updated...
Post by: Shades on November 13, 2009, 07:11:46 am
Post by: bulborbish on November 13, 2009, 09:22:52 am
Post by: Leafsnail on November 13, 2009, 12:04:04 pm
It probably won't be that much like the original, due to the "issues" (and it probably won't have conversions flying around so much either). All roles will be based on LCS "professions", though.
And your pms will seperate group abilities, passive abilities, active abilities and issue abilities clearly, to avoid confusion.
Post by: dakarian on November 13, 2009, 01:16:18 pm
Sounds like chaos.
OMG I'm so happy I joined :D
Post by: Leafsnail on November 13, 2009, 01:19:00 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 13, 2009, 01:24:40 pm
A Reflective, Copycat, mafia that kills anyone who uses actions against BUDDY1 while being able to randomize issues.
*drool*
Post by: Leafsnail on November 13, 2009, 01:25:42 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 13, 2009, 01:29:03 pm
ftw.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 13, 2009, 01:31:15 pm
Yeah, it didn't go too well.
Post by: Eduren on November 13, 2009, 10:03:56 pm
Post by: ExKirby on November 14, 2009, 04:00:23 pm
Post by: Frelock on November 14, 2009, 04:44:25 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 14, 2009, 04:49:28 pm
I could start with 11, but 12 would be better.
Post by: bulborbish on November 16, 2009, 11:56:48 am
Post by: Leafsnail on November 16, 2009, 02:23:48 pm
Post by: Rooster on November 17, 2009, 06:47:41 pm
Post by: ExKirby on November 18, 2009, 02:41:54 am
Post by: Leafsnail on November 18, 2009, 10:25:23 am
Hmm, should I start up now or wait a bit? The role pms are ready, I just need to create the quicktopics, assign the roles and replace all the "BUDDY1"s in the pms :P.
Post by: dakarian on November 18, 2009, 11:02:05 am
Post by: Leafsnail on November 18, 2009, 11:28:50 am
Hmm, not right now. I need to go to choir now. Oh well, quicktopics and role pms have been prepared.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 19, 2009, 12:02:06 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 19, 2009, 12:24:12 pm
The Liberal Agenda:
Noone is allowed to pm anyone else. The mafia may use their quicktopic.
A non-negotiable deadline of 4 real life days (weekend counts as one day) is placed on each dayphase.
You have no idea what you're up against.
Rolename and alignment are the only things revealed on death. Some roles may flip differently to their true alignments.
Anyone killed in the night will be vaguely described as "killed".
Some elements of role pms may be [CLASSIFIED]
((Remember to vote for an issue to liberalize in green AND a conservative bastard to lynch in red! And you may use an issues related ability and a role related ability in the same night!))
((And tell me if I've left any BUDDY1s in your role pm... Or, indeed, if any element of your role is unclear. Please pm it to me though, I can't confirm any of your role abilities in-thread))
Post by: Rooster on November 19, 2009, 12:43:25 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 19, 2009, 12:56:19 pm
Wow. I'm surprised that the issues didn't start as moderate, or completely green.Then there'd be nothing to liberalize! That would be a real liberal nightmare ;D...
Post by: Alexhans on November 19, 2009, 01:01:21 pm
Quote from: MOD
((And tell me if I've left any BUDDY1s in your role pm... Or, indeed, if any element of your role is unclear. Please pm it to me though, I can't confirm any of your role abilities in-thread))Ok. This mod suggestion hints to the fact that there's probably not just mafia team but also some kind of masonry, neighbours, etc...
EDIT:reading the issues I realize there's unconfirmed masons... hehe...
Ok. List of players:
Code: [Select]
ExKirby
Kashyyk
Pandarsenic
Mr.Person
Dakarian
Org
MagmaDeath
Humaan
Alexhans
Bulborish
Frelock
RoosterDakarian, MrPerson. Let's try to let everyone talk. No WOTs if possible.I'd like everyone to answer:
1) Do you think we should discuss wich issues should be liberalized or do you think it's dangerous (scum might be able to use it against us in some way)?
Notes:
We should remember the possibility of death millers.
Masons should remember they're unconfirmed. Dont trust too much.
For now... I'll vote for Transparency.
And I will proceed to vote Bulborish because he is conservative scum...
Post by: dakarian on November 19, 2009, 01:44:59 pm
I'm thinking the most important at the moment is knowledge of our full powers. I think we need to be rid of Censorship before anything else.
Meanwhile, don't censor MY posts. I'll write what I want to, when I want to, HOW I want to.
Humaan I could've sworn the car you rode in had AM Talk Radio blasting from the windows.
Post by: Frelock on November 19, 2009, 02:41:17 pm
As for me, I consider Transparency to be the most important issue at this point in the game; we need to know what we're up against. How many scum, if there's any independent parties which have a goal that can work with the town, that sort of thing. Not to mention if there's an sk or somesuch, we should encourage the scum to kill one another.
However, we mustn't give too much time to discussing the issues. If we start arguing over which issue to liberalize, it might prevent us from actively scumhunting.
Now, Magmadeath, do you want to hear something disturbing?
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 19, 2009, 03:05:25 pm
Censorship should be the first one we liberalize, as it will show us what our abilities actually are.
And yes, I would like to hear something disturbing. Though Rooster may not.
Post by: Rooster on November 19, 2009, 03:28:31 pm
Yes ExKirby I know you like Regan.
Post by: dakarian on November 19, 2009, 03:42:11 pm
Vote Rooster
Did you just agree to something because RONALD REGAN approved of it!?
Post by: Mr.Person on November 19, 2009, 04:00:24 pm
Curfues. Come on, 4 days with no extra time? That's downright anti-town, really.
Post by: Org on November 19, 2009, 04:38:40 pm
Org, I know you're gonna lurk, so you better not.I was in school. Since 7. Okay?
Curfues. Come on, 4 days with no extra time? That's downright anti-town, really.
Free speech
Post by: Alexhans on November 19, 2009, 04:49:38 pm
Meanwhile, don't censor MY posts. I'll write what I want to, when I want to, HOW I want to.Why do I feel a sudden surge of uncalled for emotion?
Mr.person.... Do you seriously think that it's better to get more wasted days (we're in bay12...) than to get REAL information about the setup? (transparency)
For those who say censorship, I understand your motives. But it won't really help us to know our ability just yet. We need to know WHAT we are facing. Transparency will:
---
You have no idea what you're up against.
The name of each team is revealed (3rd party individuals count as teams)
The name of each team and the number of players alive in each team is displayed with every votecount and at the start of each phase.
---
This is REALLY important to know. Abilities can come later. We might even discover what they do based on the following events.
Org... why are you voting free speech?
Post by: Org on November 19, 2009, 04:50:32 pm
I dohnt see why not. I would rather have that, then, let say curfews as 4 days seems pretty good.Meanwhile, don't censor MY posts. I'll write what I want to, when I want to, HOW I want to.Why do I feel a sudden surge of uncalled for emotion?
Mr.person.... Do you seriously think that it's better to get more wasted days (we're in bay12...) than to get REAL information about the setup? (transparency)
For those who say censorship, I understand your motives. But it won't really help us to know our ability just yet. We need to know WHAT we are facing. Transparency will:
---
You have no idea what you're up against.
The name of each team is revealed (3rd party individuals count as teams)
The name of each team and the number of players alive in each team is displayed with every votecount and at the start of each phase.
---
This is REALLY important to know. Abilities can come later. We might even discover what they do based on the following events.
Org... why are you voting free speech?
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 19, 2009, 04:52:35 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 19, 2009, 04:53:56 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 19, 2009, 04:59:25 pm
The Liberal Elite become a neighbour group when Free Speech is at moderate, but cannot pm each other if Free Speech is conservative.
Note that the numbers in the votecounts only show the number of people voting for someone, and will not take into account any vote related abilities.
Vote count (liberal issues):
Transparency: Alexhans, Frelock [2]
Censorship: MagmaDeath, Rooster [2]
Curfews: Mr.Person [1]
Free Speech: Org [1]
Roleflips: Pandarsenic [1]
Vote count (conservative bastards):
Humaan: dakarian [1]
Magmadeath: Frelock [1]
Rooster: MagmaDeath, dakarian [2]
ExKirby: Rooster [1]
Org: Mr.Person, Alexhans [2]
Mr.Person: Pandarsenic [1]
Day ends in roughly 4 days (non-negotiable).
Post by: Rooster on November 19, 2009, 05:07:31 pm
srsly G.W.Bush is conservative or liberal?
because if he would see this game, then he might consider bay 12 a threat to him.
Pandarsenic: That's an interesting choice. Why do you want roleflips?
Post by: Leafsnail on November 19, 2009, 05:29:07 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 19, 2009, 05:38:00 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on November 19, 2009, 06:12:44 pm
Mr.Person, don't you think it would be better to at least have some accurate Roleflips?
Free speech should be made liberal, but curfews, roleflips, and transparency need to be made moderate. Transparency is really only VITAL at lylo, but conservative curfew is going to hurt us every day until it gets made moderate. Roleflips, well, I don't think it's as important as the other two.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 19, 2009, 06:15:07 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 19, 2009, 06:18:18 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 19, 2009, 06:39:36 pm
Although the mafia can use our ideas on what rules to liberalize, we as a group must understand each other as well. As such, we should communicate our feelings over the rules.
I'm thinking the most important at the moment is knowledge of our full powers. I think we need to be rid of Censorship before anything else.
Meanwhile, don't censor MY posts. I'll write what I want to, when I want to, HOW I want to.
Humaan I could've sworn the car you rode in had AM Talk Radio blasting from the windows.
Post by: Mr.Person on November 19, 2009, 06:57:19 pm
Mr.Person, do you enjoy Deathmillers?
Are you paranoid about them? How many can there be, one or two, three if we're really unlucky?
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 19, 2009, 07:03:29 pm
Post by: Frelock on November 19, 2009, 07:19:14 pm
However, Kashyyk has yet to show his face.
Personally, I'm still in favor of transparacy, as it takes care of both the roleflip problem (we'll still notice that there's one less scum) as well as letting us know what we're up against. I don't see why we need a scumcount at each votecount, but one at the beginning of each day could be very useful. Also, like I said, knowing if there's any third parties in the game could be essential (what if we get to lylo with a survivor?) I'll admit that censorship could be extremely useful, and should be liberalized soon. Personally, here's my priority list in terms of issues:
Transparancy (for the reasons I've mentioned)
Censorship (the more PR's we have, the better)
Free Speech (if we can get a town base going, that will be very helpful later on)
Curfews (we need time to discuss things, though the full liberal "wait until a majority happens" might be a little rough if there's 3 lynch parties)
Roleflips (death millers are countered with transparency, though knowing role descriptions would be nice too)
Accountibility (knowing who killed who is only vaguely useful, and there has to be more than one kill for it to work)
The last three would be acceptable at moderate, so anyone who can move an issue only one step towards liberal should probably work on one of them. Of course, working on the first three will help as well, but we should completely liberalize those during the day.
Post by: bulborbish on November 19, 2009, 07:48:25 pm
also, Free Speech, so we can plot in secret!
Post by: dakarian on November 19, 2009, 07:50:46 pm
Ok, I guess I Unvote. Let's see now:
Transparency
I have to admit, this one WILL be useful, if only at the start so we know what's up. Moderate would be fine though if anything.
Censorship
I do believe this will be useful, even early on. Toon Mafia showed me just how annoying it is to figure out sanity.
Roleflips
Very useful, especially Libralized
Free Speech
We can leave for later. We'll be able to make use of it, but not now.
Accountability
Nice, but not the highest priority. Note that most games run Conservative style.
Curfews
Honestly, 4 hours is actually enough for us. Even when I host deadlines and extend like mad, 4 days tends to be the limit.
So Transparancy today, Roleflip or Censorship tomorrow.
Post by: bulborbish on November 19, 2009, 07:58:20 pm
Post by: Frelock on November 19, 2009, 08:12:19 pm
My reasoning for the first three issues comes from a basic problem-solving solution:
1. Identify the problem (Transparency)
2. Research possible solutions (Censorship)
3. Work with others to enact solutions (Free Speech)
Post by: Org on November 19, 2009, 08:54:47 pm
My reasoning is, with free speech, our almighty lords the elite liberals can plan without the conservitives noticing.
Post by: Mr.Person on November 19, 2009, 09:41:37 pm
My reasoning is, with free speech, our almighty lords the elite liberals can plan without the conservitives noticing.
There's nothing to plan yet, we don't have anything proven. Any thoughts or opinions of right now should be voiced in the thread.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 19, 2009, 10:42:19 pm
We should get accurate roleflips D1, lift censorship D2, and move on to other matters D3.
Post by: Frelock on November 20, 2009, 12:09:52 am
If roleflips are liberalized, will we retroactively know the roles of all people who have died, or just the ones who die after it's been liberalized?
Post by: ExKirby on November 20, 2009, 02:40:29 am
Org, I want answers. Don't just use your lurkiness as cover.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 20, 2009, 02:42:52 am
A question for the mod:
If roleflips are liberalized, will we retroactively know the roles of all people who have died, or just the ones who die after it's been liberalized?
This is important but it should still be the first thing we liberalize. We need accurate info for tomorrow day; anyone who doesn't want to liberalize this is focusing overmuch on the night.
Post by: ExKirby on November 20, 2009, 02:49:17 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 20, 2009, 02:51:42 am
Post by: ExKirby on November 20, 2009, 03:07:55 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 20, 2009, 03:20:14 am
Post by: Rooster on November 20, 2009, 09:34:45 am
WHAT.THE.HECK.IS.THAT?
Something related to roleflips?
Voted for censorship because there are 12 people in the game, if most people actually have a role, then there is a probability that it's censored, but that will make us unable to fight back at night.
Post by: Cheeetar on November 20, 2009, 09:36:30 am
And by e.g. cop I mean the cop sort of investigation, not that a cop reads scum on investigation.
Post by: ExKirby on November 20, 2009, 09:43:03 am
Post by: Cheeetar on November 20, 2009, 09:43:53 am
Post by: ExKirby on November 20, 2009, 09:44:58 am
Post by: dakarian on November 20, 2009, 09:55:41 am
I've been in a game where there were hidden factions.
I've been in a game with death millers.
Hidden aspects to your role is annoying, but can be overcome even if the mod never tells you what's up. Death millers cause risky issues.
Hidden Factions kick you in the #%% REAL fast. The game plays very differently if there are 2 scum groups, or a cult, or a batch of masons. Thus I want to know what we're up against first. Then we can aim for either buffing up our power roles or ensuring our rolflips are accurate.
Post by: dakarian on November 20, 2009, 09:57:21 am
Post by: ExKirby on November 20, 2009, 10:42:36 am
Post by: Leafsnail on November 20, 2009, 12:15:11 pm
Transparency: Alexhans, Frelock, dakarian [3]
Censorship: MagmaDeath, Rooster, ExKirby [3]
Curfews: Mr.Person [1]
Free Speech: Org, bulborbish [2]
Roleflips: Pandarsenic [1]
Vote count (glorified rednecks):
Rooster: MagmaDeath,[1]
ExKirby: Rooster [1]
Org: Mr.Person, Alexhans, ExKirby [3]
Mr.Person: Pandarsenic [1]
Kashyyk: Frelock [1]
Pandarsenic: bulborish [1]
Alexhans: dakarian [1]
Inform me of any errors.
And there are some issues which, once liberalised, will not benefit the scum to have reconservatized.
Post by: ExKirby on November 20, 2009, 12:18:51 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 20, 2009, 12:29:10 pm
OK, I'll go for transparency and request a Day Shortening.
Quote from: The Issues
A non-negotiable deadline of 4 real life days (weekend counts as one day) is placed on each dayphase.
Post by: dakarian on November 20, 2009, 12:38:05 pm
Unvote Alexhans Vote ExKirby
You saw how me killing the first day messed up the town in your own game. Did you try to pull the same stunt now and here?
Post by: bulborbish on November 20, 2009, 01:29:12 pm
Alright, since Magmadeath has posted with some content, I'll Unvote
However, Kashyyk has yet to show his face.
Personally, I'm still in favor of transparacy, as it takes care of both the roleflip problem (we'll still notice that there's one less scum) as well as letting us know what we're up against. I don't see why we need a scumcount at each votecount, but one at the beginning of each day could be very useful. Also, like I said, knowing if there's any third parties in the game could be essential (what if we get to lylo with a survivor?) I'll admit that censorship could be extremely useful, and should be liberalized soon. Personally, here's my priority list in terms of issues:
Transparancy (for the reasons I've mentioned)
Censorship (the more PR's we have, the better)
Free Speech (if we can get a town base going, that will be very helpful later on)
Curfews (we need time to discuss things, though the full liberal "wait until a majority happens" might be a little rough if there's 3 lynch parties)
Roleflips (death millers are countered with transparency, though knowing role descriptions would be nice too)
Accountibility (knowing who killed who is only vaguely useful, and there has to be more than one kill for it to work)
The last three would be acceptable at moderate, so anyone who can move an issue only one step towards liberal should probably work on one of them. Of course, working on the first three will help as well, but we should completely liberalize those during the day.
I have to Fos Frelock on this. If we can get an Idea on how many conservitives there are, we know when we are in mylo or lylo. This seems to be more vital than you put it.
In short, why do you think that transparency is only useful as moderate?
Post by: bulborbish on November 20, 2009, 01:32:58 pm
Post by: Alexhans on November 20, 2009, 02:19:39 pm
I can't believe ExKirby voted for day shortening... How can you be surprised to be often lynched if you pull crap like that. We have NO info at all... We should talk. Don't rely on Power Roles or abilities or any other crap.
The only 2 issues that should be seriously considered are transparency and roleflips. Pandarsenic makes a very good point about them but I still think that transparency is stronger because it will allow us to know the remaining mafia members in the game so death millers won't really screw us up.
I'll post more comments later.
Post by: dakarian on November 20, 2009, 02:40:57 pm
He says as he posts a non-content post after having gone away. Side pokes at people and buddying is not scumhunting after all.
Please put your money where your mouth is, Alex.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 20, 2009, 03:01:04 pm
I personally think Censorship should come first, as the scum won't gain anything from Conservatizing it.
also I agree with Dak, What are you doing ExKirby?
(Note I haven't voted yet, as I need time to recheck the thread for anything I might have missed)
Post by: ExKirby on November 20, 2009, 03:04:41 pm
@Mod, please ignore the second half of my post.
Post by: dakarian on November 20, 2009, 03:18:41 pm
Meh. Although 3rd vote noted, softened since I already see your reason for it.
Unvote
Vote Alex
Back to you, mr. No Content Pot.
Post by: ExKirby on November 20, 2009, 03:51:58 pm
Hang on a second. We have some short-of-solid proof on (unvote)Arch. Therefor, I do believe we need to press hard.
Post by: ExKirby on November 20, 2009, 04:21:36 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 20, 2009, 04:28:30 pm
I've been in a game where my role had hidden parts.
I've been in a game where there were hidden factions.
I've been in a game with death millers.
Hidden aspects to your role is annoying, but can be overcome even if the mod never tells you what's up. Death millers cause risky issues.
Hidden Factions kick you in the #%% REAL fast. The game plays very differently if there are 2 scum groups, or a cult, or a batch of masons. Thus I want to know what we're up against first. Then we can aim for either buffing up our power roles or ensuring our rolflips are accurate.
Oh BTW, we'll also get a good handle on whether there are 3rd parties floating around. If there's a chance I can learn of a possible Jester or SK I'm ALL for it.
Oh, shit, you're right. Jesters are definitely something to watch out for; I initially figured an SK wouldn't be too much of an issue until tomorrow but it actually does influence our scumhunting greatly, because there'll be scum who isn't bound to anyone else. We MUST do roleflips tomorrow though.
Unvote Mr.Person & Roleflips
Transparency.
Alexhans, what the hell? No, seriously, what the hell?
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 20, 2009, 04:35:27 pm
UnvoteAlright, since Magmadeath has posted with some content, I'll Unvote
However, Kashyyk has yet to show his face.
Personally, I'm still in favor of transparacy, as it takes care of both the roleflip problem (we'll still notice that there's one less scum) as well as letting us know what we're up against. I don't see why we need a scumcount at each votecount, but one at the beginning of each day could be very useful. Also, like I said, knowing if there's any third parties in the game could be essential (what if we get to lylo with a survivor?) I'll admit that censorship could be extremely useful, and should be liberalized soon. Personally, here's my priority list in terms of issues:
Transparancy (for the reasons I've mentioned)
Censorship (the more PR's we have, the better)
Free Speech (if we can get a town base going, that will be very helpful later on)
Curfews (we need time to discuss things, though the full liberal "wait until a majority happens" might be a little rough if there's 3 lynch parties)
Roleflips (death millers are countered with transparency, though knowing role descriptions would be nice too)
Accountibility (knowing who killed who is only vaguely useful, and there has to be more than one kill for it to work)
The last three would be acceptable at moderate, so anyone who can move an issue only one step towards liberal should probably work on one of them. Of course, working on the first three will help as well, but we should completely liberalize those during the day.
I have to Fos Frelock on this. If we can get an Idea on how many conservitives there are, we know when we are in mylo or lylo. This seems to be more vital than you put it.
In short, why do you think that transparency is only useful as moderate?
bulborbish Where did you get him saying Transparency was only useful as moderate from? He explicitly stated that it would be the best to have at Liberal.
Post by: Org on November 20, 2009, 04:38:07 pm
I have a CENSORED patch on my PM, so I would like to Liberalize CensorshipHello there dumbass. how are you today, Exkirby?
Org, I want answers. Don't just use your lurkiness as cover.
OK, I'll go for transparency and request a Day Shortening.Points:
1-Bandwagoning is a no no. So, obv scum is obv moron.
2-Day Shortening? With 4 days? You really do play Obv Scum well.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 20, 2009, 05:06:32 pm
Anyway, votecount(s).
Vote count (change is good):
Transparency: Alexhans, Frelock, dakarian, ExKirby, bulborbish, Pandarsenic [6]
Censorship: MagmaDeath, Rooster, Kashyyk[3]
Curfews: Mr.Person [1]
Free Speech: Org [1]
Vote count (arch-conservatives):
ExKirby: Rooster, Org [2]
Org: Mr.Person, Alexhans [2]
Kashyyk: Frelock [1]
Pandarsenic: bulborish [1]
Alexhans: dakarian, Pandarsenic [2]
Archangel: ExKirby [1]
bulborbish: MagmaDeath [1]
Inform me of any errors, please. Also remember that the numbers will not take vote related abilities into account.
And I seem to remember you asking a question which I skipped over before, Pandarsenic, but I can't remember what it was. What was it?
Post by: Alexhans on November 20, 2009, 05:31:47 pm
Yours sincerely.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks.
You're voting me for no content? [/sarcastic laugh]
I told you I was busy. Busy fucking day. I told I would post later. But clearly you'd rather have me out of the game, right?
Dakarian & Pandarsenic: Enumerate everyone who has posted more content than me and why. Has someone posted LESS content? If this is true, what percentage of hypocrisy do you consider to lie within your votes? Why didn't you vote THEM? (no bullshit allowed in your answers.)
I haven't liked you so far, Dakarian... Exkirby didn't even have a chance to react to your vote and you're back on my waggon? Classy... Scummy vote hopping means scummy.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 20, 2009, 05:34:38 pm
Unvote Alexhans.
First person to say I'm backing off when pressured gets my vote until the end of the day, unconditionally, even if I think you're not scum. Don't even try it.
Post by: dakarian on November 20, 2009, 06:27:20 pm
When I turn my slightly random with a bit of content vote on you, suddenly it's "OMG YOU'RE TRYING TO KILL ME!"
And now you're after me for said slightly random with a bit of content vote....well, not REALLY.. you call me scummy but there's no vote attached..
ExKirbys vote faded because it was mostly Random just to get him to speak up more. Your vote was for the same thing: I was still in RVS, noticed your post, decided to throw a poke at you before moving on to another. It seems, though, that you seem very worried that you'll get lynched for it.
So thank you for providing content. Self-protective, OMGUSy, overemotional, VERY scummy content.
My vote stays and it's no longer Random.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 20, 2009, 06:35:07 pm
Post by: bulborbish on November 20, 2009, 07:13:59 pm
Oh sorry Frelock, made a mistake there.
Post by: Frelock on November 20, 2009, 07:41:04 pm
However, it seems I'm guilty of the thing I said we needed to stay away from, namely concentrating too much on the issues and not on scum-hunting.
Points:
1-Bandwagoning is a no no. So, obv scum is obv moron.
2-Day Shortening? With 4 days? You really do play Obv Scum well.
Alright Org, two things:
1. You're the one who's bandwaggoning here. There was a large amount of pressure put on ExKirby, and suddenly you come out of the blue to vote for him. Not to mention he was "bandwaggoning" on the issues, which seem somewhat minor, compared to whom we lynch today. The issues is not the lynch. If anything, scum will bandwaggon on the lynch to get a townie killed. Also, if you're accusing him of bandwaggoning, you've got bulborish, who switched over with less comments, and Pandarsenic, who switched over later. ExKirby, on the other hand, said something stupid, and thus became an acceptable lynch target. Hence why you vote him.
2. Clearly, ExKirby just fell into the trap of forgetting that we have to lynch someone as well as liberalize an issue. Also, 4 days is a decent period of time, especially with the weekend included.
Post by: Frelock on November 20, 2009, 07:42:00 pm
Post by: Org on November 20, 2009, 07:42:33 pm
Eh, it happens bulborbish.He was third person to lynch me?
However, it seems I'm guilty of the thing I said we needed to stay away from, namely concentrating too much on the issues and not on scum-hunting.Points:
1-Bandwagoning is a no no. So, obv scum is obv moron.
2-Day Shortening? With 4 days? You really do play Obv Scum well.
Alright Org, two things:
1. You're the one who's bandwaggoning here. There was a large amount of pressure put on ExKirby, and suddenly you come out of the blue to vote for him. Not to mention he was "bandwaggoning" on the issues, which seem somewhat minor, compared to whom we lynch today. The issues is not the lynch. If anything, scum will bandwaggon on the lynch to get a townie killed. Also, if you're accusing him of bandwaggoning, you've got bulborish, who switched over with less comments, and Pandarsenic, who switched over later. ExKirby, on the other hand, said something stupid, and thus became an acceptable lynch target. Hence why you vote him.
2. Clearly, ExKirby just fell into the trap of forgetting that we have to lynch someone as well as liberalize an issue. Also, 4 days is a decent period of time, especially with the weekend included.
Post by: Frelock on November 20, 2009, 07:51:08 pm
Post by: Alexhans on November 20, 2009, 08:24:32 pm
Let's see. A good long post talking about how you have no time to vote during RandomVoting when you shouldn't NEED a reason to get something started...lol... good long... I wrote that in 10 seconds... I random voted Org... Guess you failed to see that.
When I turn my slightly random with a bit of content vote on you, suddenly it's "OMG YOU'RE TRYING TO KILL ME!"Bullshit. Expect to see this word often in this post. You voted me for bullshit reasons in a serious manner.
And now you're after me for said slightly random with a bit of content vote....well, not REALLY.. you call me scummy but there's no vote attached..Because i'm not as vote hoppy as you and Ï want to make a good read before I place a vote (That holds some value) so I can pressure someone. My votes are not influenced by one post but by a whole gameplay (Wich clearly you don't get because you vote every other post).
ExKirbys vote faded because it was mostly Random just to get him to speak up more.Did he speak more?
Your vote was for the same thing: I was still in RVS, noticed your post, decided to throw a poke at you before moving on to another.Your vote hopping doesnt help. It just removes any value you can have for your votes.
It seems, though, that you seem very worried that you'll get lynched for it.Yes... I'm shaking. I'm not worried. I'm pissed that you THROW BULLSHIT my way for not posting content when I've been busy and havent given this game a good read yet.
So thank you for providing content. Self-protective, OMGUSy, overemotional, VERY scummy content.Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.
I will always be self-protective because I'm not stupid. I dont want to lose. If I'm lynched it hurst the town (they lose a town player and they lose a decent scumhunter IMO :P). OMGUSy??? First you claim that I didnt vote you and now you call me OMGUSy?? That's a fucked up double standard. You're going to go after what I say regardless of what I say? Black is bad but white is bad too. Overemotional? Right... As if you didn't know me... ::) I get pissed when people use bullshit reasons and I respond strongly. If you think that is OVER emotional or that I lose control in any way you have much to learn.
Now you say "VERY scummy content." ... lol... you suck... sudden CAPS to enforce something you really don't believe in won't help your attempt of a case.
My vote stays and it's no longer Random.For bullshit reasons. If you're town you're stubborn and blind. If you're scum, it makes so much sense.
YOU DIDNT ANSWER MY QUESTION. WHY DID YOU BLATANTLY AVOID A QUESTION POSED AT YOU IN BOLD LETTERS?
I'm leaving to a party now... I'll read the game tomorrow.
Post by: dakarian on November 20, 2009, 09:39:51 pm
@Alex, if you like to argue more, go ahead and read. The end statement that matters most is after the Spoilered text.
Spoiler: argument in spoilers to avoid killing everyone in WOT (click to show/hide)
I get pissed when people use bullshit reasons and I respond strongly. If you think that is OVER emotional or that I lose control in any way you have much to learn.I don't know your mafia meta, but that's what watching and reading is for. For now, I'm content.
Though meh.. back to randomness.
Unvote
Post by: Org on November 20, 2009, 11:36:09 pm
Oh, that's what you were talking about? Well then, ignore what I said about bandwaggoning, and insert a comment regarding the dangers of an OMGUS.OMGUS [INSERT_RAEG_HERE]
Post by: dakarian on November 20, 2009, 11:58:23 pm
Frelock, your randomvote has showed their face. Are you still after them or what?
Post by: dakarian on November 20, 2009, 11:59:08 pm
@Mod Mr.Person hasn't posted in a day. Humaan hasn't posted since the game began.
Post by: Frelock on November 21, 2009, 02:01:33 am
Humaan I accuse of flaking on a game he said he'd sign up for; he should be replaced or modkilled. However, Mr.Person knows the game is on, and has not said much. I accuse him of lurking.
And I'm still waiting on your reasoning behind your vote for Archangel, ExKirby.
Post by: Rooster on November 21, 2009, 06:11:29 am
Dakarian shows scumhunting, Alehxans responds. So far so good, BUT Alehxans said that Dakarians posts make more sense if he's scum. Why would that be? I may be newbie, that got lynched for initiating the scumhunting in BM5 (good job to efectively leave me without a method for scumhunting!), and now scumhunting is actually considered scummy?
I can only say one thing - wtf? I better get back to drawing board, because newbies play so differently than pro's
ExKirby: I know 4 days is long, but to me shortenings are a big No No's. I have a school you know.
Seriously now. Why did you just do that?
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2009, 06:19:15 am
Post by: dakarian on November 21, 2009, 09:12:06 am
So, yes, the argument he gave is Meh, but it's his personality so for now I'll leave be.
@Frelock
Mr.Person isn't lurking: he's not here. He ended up modkilled from KWN (it has a 24h hard coded posting requirement) and prodded in other games he was in. Humaan looks like he's flaking completely. The only person who isn't a LurkerHunt on your list of suspects didn't even get a FOS.
Going for the easy kills eh?
Post by: ExKirby on November 21, 2009, 09:19:47 am
@Rooster-Read this quote.
My bad, I thought we were done.
@Mod, please ignore the second half of my post.
Post by: dakarian on November 21, 2009, 09:38:20 am
Buddying noted
"Me Too"ing another's argument, noted.
Post by: ExKirby on November 21, 2009, 09:40:26 am
Post by: Frelock on November 21, 2009, 01:00:56 pm
Exkirby, since you refused to answer my question, I'll vote you until you do. I've asked twice, and now I'll ask again: why are you voting for archangel? You said you had a reason, though you claimed it wasn't a strong one. What is it?
Post by: Kashyyk on November 21, 2009, 01:46:40 pm
Buddying up is a tactic, usually used by members of the Mafia, to try to make yourself look less threatening. Typically the Mafia member will try to be friendly in some way, either outright or, more often, subtly. If the Mafia member is ever lynched at some point, and other players have noticed the buddying, it tends to throw suspicion on the person the Mafia was being friendly towards, thereby causing confusion even after the Mafioso's death.
anyway, whens the end of this day scheduled?
Post by: Leafsnail on November 21, 2009, 05:41:15 pm
Votecount will be given later.
Post by: Alexhans on November 21, 2009, 06:12:41 pm
I don't think it's possible to have modified cops in a game with a miller.where did you get that from? Everything is possible. It's up to the mod.
Quote from: Kashyyk
I personally think Censorship should come first, as the scum won't gain anything from Conservatizing it.huh?
Jesters are NOT something to watch out for. If someone is scummy, we lynch him. No WIFOM. Any mod that adds jester to a game is making a mistake.
Spoiler: "Dakarian" (click to show/hide)
I was pissed.
Why? Because your "so called random vote" involved a reason that stated that I was being a hypocrite for not posting content when there are other people who posted less and I clearly manifested the intention to post more as soon as I could.
If you think I'm going to be cool and ignore that kind of FAKE reasons you're making a mistake.
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Quote from: rooster
So far so good, BUT Alehxans said that Dakarians posts make more sense if he's scum. Why would that be? I may be newbie, that got lynched for initiating the scumhunting in BM5 (good job to efectively leave me without a method for scumhunting!), and now scumhunting is actually considered scummy?Consider the line where I said that. He claimed that his "vote would stay on me". That is a stubborn position that town should not take. Notice that he after admitted that it was a semi-random vote to get reactions? How is his vote supposed to say because he suggested I didn't post content? (when I said I would post more soon)
Scumhunting is not considered scummy. It's good. But expect your reasons to be countered in a discussion. That's how mafia works.
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The mess, though, is that we banged heads in almost the same fashion in bay 12. He got panicky when I attacked him then and got worse as the day went on.Stop being a condescending woman who sleeps with men for money... :P You're far more wrong than I am here because you expect me to fit in your style of play. Consider this a taste of MS style that you have not yet known.
So, yes, the argument he gave is Meh, but it's his personality so for now I'll leave be.
@ExKirbyok... this is the kind of thing that pisses me off. He is stating that he agrees with something you say. Instead of accusing him of buddying without any further conclusion of how it is and what can it mean you could've asked him what did he particularly agreed and why...
Buddying noted
"Me Too"ing another's argument, noted.
But this shows clearly that you wanna be seen as an active investigator but all you do is throw unsupported, unexplained accusations to use later on.
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Now... let's see:
Dakarian: Annoying. Active but throwing random stuff all around and pretending he is right. I don't like him but that doesn't necesarilly mean he is scum. Might prove useful at some point.
Pandarsenic: A lot of well reasoned discussion about wich issue we should choose but practically no scumhunting. He feels town but it would be cool to see him show the S.Holmes in him :S
ExKirby: Talked a lot about censorship. I don't know what he meant about Org and Arch and would like his feelings on both of them clarified. His day shortening request is very anti-town but he may be relying to heavily on PRs.
Kashyyk: 2 posts. One of them voting censorship thinking about what would hurt scum instead of what would help town and the other quoting the mafia wiki and asking for the specific deadline. So far, this is the kind of scummy person that half-way lurks through a game.
Mr.Person: MIA.
Humaan: MIA
Frelock: His argumentations about the issues have been pretty logical and well fundamented. Notices he is focusing too much on the issues and starts scumhunting. I like.
Question to all of those who want censorship liberalized: How do we know that mafia can no benefit from this? As in, reveal abilities for their roles?
ok... b12 is taking too long to load for some reason and I gotta go soon:
I'm still missing this guys:
Rooster: Not much until his comment about my fight with dakarian.
Org:
MagmaDeath:
Bulborish:
unvote (org), Vote Kashhyk. Scum in b12 is mild scum. Mild scum is you.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2009, 06:20:23 pm
Scumhunting.
I forgot about that in the flood of IDIOTS TRYING TO LIBERALIZE THE WRONG THINGS TO SCREW US OVER.
...
Essay first. Maybe some minor tracking of various game while I do that. Nothing big until after both essays are done though.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 21, 2009, 06:24:42 pm
Transparency: Alexhans, Frelock, dakarian, ExKirby, bulborbish, Pandarsenic [6]
Censorship: MagmaDeath, Rooster, Kashyyk[3]
Curfews: Mr.Person [1]
Free Speech: Org [1]
Vote count (Reaganites):
ExKirby: Rooster, Org, Frelock [3]
Org: Mr.Person, [1]
Pandarsenic: bulborish [1]
Archangel: ExKirby [1]
bulborbish: MagmaDeath [1]
Frelock: dakarian [1]
kashyyk: Alexhans [1]
Deadline in 3 days (non negotiable).
Post by: Org on November 21, 2009, 08:35:13 pm
Post by: Rooster on November 21, 2009, 10:52:40 pm
Maybe censorship isn't a day 1 priority, but rather than transparency I'd still more like
Roleflips
Post by: Alexhans on November 21, 2009, 10:55:42 pm
Post by: Org on November 21, 2009, 11:01:06 pm
Org: Are you only following something someone else said? Or have you thought about it?Thought about it.
Maybe censorship isn't a day 1 priority, but rather than transparency I'd still more like
Roleflips
Org... Rooster... Who do you think is scum?Dont know, but where is Mr. person? Kinda lurking, and he usually does not lurk
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2009, 11:05:13 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 22, 2009, 04:26:36 am
Post by: Humaan on November 22, 2009, 06:24:13 am
So, I am now Out, meaning you need a Replacement
Post by: Kashyyk on November 22, 2009, 06:25:54 am
I chose Censorship to liberalize as we will then all know our roles. Therefore, even if the Scum conservatize Censorship again we will STILL know our roles, so there is no point in the Scum conservatizing it. Also, as we have not yet liberalized anything else, the Scum won't be able to conservatize anything, thus we gain a free liberalization.
Also, while I'm still online, are there any other questions people want to ask me?
Post by: Leafsnail on November 22, 2009, 06:38:13 am
Post by: Rooster on November 22, 2009, 07:57:45 am
Logically a lurker would be scum, but hey! most scum know about this therefore only newb scum would do so I think.
Post by: ExKirby on November 22, 2009, 09:12:42 am
Dak, I just want people to be here. I'm not in any other mafias with Mr.Person, so the only evidence I had was that he posted, and then stopped posting. I'll admit, I didn't go to his profile to see when he last logged on or anything like that. I just noticed your comment for the mod, and expounded on it a little.
Exkirby, since you refused to answer my question, I'll vote you until you do. I've asked twice, and now I'll ask again: why are you voting for archangel? You said you had a reason, though you claimed it wasn't a strong one. What is it?
@Frelock-I think dak pretty much nailed that point for me.
@Rooster-Read this quote.My bad, I thought we were done.
@Mod, please ignore the second half of my post.
Post by: Frelock on November 22, 2009, 12:43:48 pm
The mess, though, is that we[Dak and Alex] banged heads in almost the same fashion in bay 12. He[Alex] got panicky when I attacked him then and got worse as the day went on.
So, yes, the argument he gave is Meh, but it's his personality so for now I'll leave be.
@Frelock
Mr.Person isn't lurking: he's not here. He ended up modkilled from KWN (it has a 24h hard coded posting requirement) and prodded in other games he was in. Humaan looks like he's flaking completely. The only person who isn't a LurkerHunt on your list of suspects didn't even get a FOS.
Going for the easy kills eh?
In it, he talks about and to Alexhans and myself. Archangel is not even mentioned. In fact looking at Dak's previous posts, he was first on you due to the whole day shortening thing, then he was on alex, and finally backed down before the fur started flying like in B12 mafia. Currently, he's on me. So again I ask, why are you voting for archangel?
Post by: ExKirby on November 22, 2009, 12:57:58 pm
Warning guys.. When Alex and I get at it, it turns BRUTAL!That's where he said it.
@Alex, if you like to argue more, go ahead and read. The end statement that matters most is after the Spoilered text.So after all that fun I get my read of you. Yah, you're like in bay 12. You were town there. It's fun to go into WOT arguments with you, but, in the end, it WAS a randomvote to read you that turned into an attack to get something real out of you. What I got was your Meta which was the same then as it was now.Spoiler: argument in spoilers to avoid killing everyone in WOT (click to show/hide)
I don't know your mafia meta, but that's what watching and reading is for. For now, I'm content.
Though meh.. back to randomness.
Unvote
Post by: Frelock on November 22, 2009, 01:04:07 pm
That's where he said it.
After reading that post 3 times, I see no reference to archangel: only dak attacking Alex.
Why don't you just admit that you have stated no reason whatsoever to vote for Archangel?
Post by: Mr.Person on November 22, 2009, 01:09:12 pm
Org... Rooster... Who do you think is scum?Dont know, but where is Mr. person? Kinda lurking, and he usually does not lurk
Good job avoiding the question, Org. Got no suspicions? Get some.
Alex: That would be easier in a 9 people game. So far I think Mr.Person might be scum (omg newbie just pointed at a lurker!) and Ex Kirby (He just acted weird but I'm unsure what whas a scumtell and what a townietell)
Logically a lurker would be scum, but hey! most scum know about this therefore only newb scum would do so I think.
If you're trying to imply that I'm lurking on purpose, you might as well cut that crap out right now. Good job on not clearly stating your attacks. "Logically a lurker would be scum". Really? That doesn't even make any sense, why don't you try again?
Well, thinking about it, the advantages to censorship seem more than enough to move over. What's more fun than depriving the scum of an issue to conservatize?
Post by: Org on November 22, 2009, 01:22:54 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on November 22, 2009, 01:32:51 pm
I was saying you are suspicious.
For being gone?
Post by: Org on November 22, 2009, 01:35:13 pm
Sure.I was saying you are suspicious.
For being gone?
Post by: Mr.Person on November 22, 2009, 01:39:22 pm
Sure.I was saying you are suspicious.
For being gone?
Ok, so now that your reasoning is invalid, who's the scum now?
Post by: ExKirby on November 22, 2009, 01:39:58 pm
*bangs head on the table rapidly*
You see, this is why I don't like it when people have similar names. I thought dak was on about Arch. My bad. (unvote) Alexhans was who I was ment to be voting.
Post by: dakarian on November 22, 2009, 03:05:39 pm
Note, before you say "because of what Dak said" I AM Dak and I would really want to know your reasoning.
Post by: ExKirby on November 22, 2009, 03:42:06 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 22, 2009, 03:53:04 pm
What did I cover as far as why Alex is scum? What were my reasons again?
Post by: Frelock on November 22, 2009, 04:10:03 pm
Wait...
*bangs head on the table rapidly*
You see, this is why I don't like it when people have similar names. I thought dak was on about Arch. My bad. (unvote) Alexhans was who I was ment to be voting.
I thought so, but asking leading questions basically gives scum excuses instead of having them invent their own. Archangel isn't even playing in this game (which made it all the more confusing when leafsnail put him in the vote count). Still the fact that you kept on insisting he was scummy, and never providing reasons other than "because Dak said so" leads me to believe that you aren't really looking at the game and forming your own opinions. You're just jumping on bandwagons that seem plausible. Of course, the fact that you're still on Alex even when all others diffuses that suspicion somewhat. I too would like to hear what reasoning of dak's you think is good.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 22, 2009, 04:58:43 pm
Quote
Archangel isn't even playing in this game (which made it all the more confusing when leafsnail put him in the vote count).Then don't vote players who aren't in the game, damnit :P.
Post by: ExKirby on November 23, 2009, 02:39:02 am
I believe I forgot what I wrote during all of the mess that's been going on.
What did I cover as far as why Alex is scum? What were my reasons again?
Warning guys.. When Alex and I get at it, it turns BRUTAL!That's where he said it.
@Alex, if you like to argue more, go ahead and read. The end statement that matters most is after the Spoilered text.So after all that fun I get my read of you. Yah, you're like in bay 12. You were town there. It's fun to go into WOT arguments with you, but, in the end, it WAS a randomvote to read you that turned into an attack to get something real out of you. What I got was your Meta which was the same then as it was now.Spoiler: argument in spoilers to avoid killing everyone in WOT (click to show/hide)
I don't know your mafia meta, but that's what watching and reading is for. For now, I'm content.
Though meh.. back to randomness.
Unvote
Post by: dakarian on November 23, 2009, 07:51:55 am
I want your OWN words on why Alex is scummy. I do NOT want the entire WOT I wrote which is what caused me to UNVOTE Alex for NOT being scummy.
You quote that entire mess and claim that's when I showed to you why Alex needed to be lynched. However, I UNVOTED then because of what I wrote in that WOT.
As such you have three choices:
1. Stop using my argument to make your defense since it not only shows that you aren't doing your own work, but also that you are misreading other people's work: both are very anti-town and very small scumtells. Instead, use your OWN words to explain just what about Alex you dislike.
note: you CAN use my WOT as a reference, but the argument itself has to be what you write, not me.
2. Unvote since you, have no personal reason for wanting him dead and you're just hanging on to my post because it's a nice sounding direct attack against another player and go find a REAL target and a REAL person to vote for.
Note: I believe I wrote in here a post about how to scumhunt: it'll be a big one with Step1, Step 2, ext. in it. If I didn't, I'll post it here.
3. Get lynched in Day 1 AGAIN.
Now am I clear? If not, I'll answer any questions you have.
Post by: ExKirby on November 23, 2009, 12:19:07 pm
Post by: dakarian on November 23, 2009, 12:30:30 pm
(running the BM games has had an effect on me, have you noticed? :P)
Now back to my work.
@Frelock
ExKirby is a wash of newtellness and skill-based mistakes. Are you voting to try to kick weak-skilled players out of this game or do you honestly believe he was plotting to act like this in the Mafia Quickchat?
Personally, I can't see a mafia acting like ExKirby (when someone actually catches scum using Refuge in Audacity please give me the link). I CAN see a scum finding someone that's insanely easy to lynch are hounding them until they get lynched, then shrugging their shoulders and going "oh well, he LOOKED scummy."
Sidenote: IIRC, my vote hasn't left you yet and I didn't forget that it hasn't.
Post by: Alexhans on November 23, 2009, 01:38:03 pm
For now... All I can say is... lol...
speaking in a generic manner is so easy when you don't know what to say...
Some quick questions for ExKirby:
1) What does it mean that I was overly persistant in the RVS? What posts indicate that? Why is it scummy? (If it is)
2) You say I was persistant when there was no proof. What do you consider proof? Is there proof now? What?
3) Did you read my post about the "over reacting" topic? Why do you agree/disagree?
4) I don't quite get this... Do you say I used the word bullshit to avoid discussions? Do you think I didn't address dakarian's points? If you think I did... how's that avoidance? Also, didn't you avoid discussions by saying "what Dak said" when asked about your opinions on org & Arch(Alexhans)?
5) What are the false acts I generated? Quote them, please.
Anyway... what's up with this game? Is everyone lurking? Really?
If someone has a bit of free time... Checking the profiles to see who was active and avoided posting could be a good move.
fuck... I'm late... damn you Exkirby... You made me waste more time than I could.
Post by: Mr.Person on November 23, 2009, 01:49:42 pm
Post by: ExKirby on November 23, 2009, 02:25:10 pm
sorry I've been away... I need to run some errands but I'll come back to post later.Answered in red. And damn me so.
For now... All I can say is... lol...
speaking in a generic manner is so easy when you don't know what to say...
Some quick questions for ExKirby:
1) What does it mean that I was overly persistant in the RVS? What posts indicate that? Why is it scummy? (If it is) The random vote stage is just to get people talking. I'm pretty sure Org posted before you made the post in dak's long list. Seeing as I saw no proof, you were still randomvoting for no reason.
2) You say I was persistant when there was no proof. What do you consider proof? Is there proof now? What? Well, it's hard to read scumtells from a guy who post little.
3) Did you read my post about the "over reacting" topic? Why do you agree/disagree? Nope, must have missed them.
4) I don't quite get this... Do you say I used the word bullshit to avoid discussions? Do you think I didn't address dakarian's points? If you think I did... how's that avoidance? Also, didn't you avoid discussions by saying "what Dak said" when asked about your opinions on org & Arch(Alexhans)? I didn't say that *censored* made a post rubbish. I clearly said *censored* reasons. Trust me, I think you can do better than your reasoning. And as for me, I admit to being slightly lazy, just recalling dak's post thinking it would be a legit answer. For future refference, I know now.
5) What are the false acts I generated? Quote them, please. False acts?
Anyway... what's up with this game? Is everyone lurking? Really?
If someone has a bit of free time... Checking the profiles to see who was active and avoided posting could be a good move.
fuck... I'm late... damn you Exkirby... You made me waste more time than I could.
Post by: Frelock on November 23, 2009, 03:20:14 pm
@Frelock
ExKirby is a wash of newtellness and skill-based mistakes. Are you voting to try to kick weak-skilled players out of this game or do you honestly believe he was plotting to act like this in the Mafia Quickchat?
Dak, I'm trying to kick scum out of the game, not weak players. Of course, it's entirely possible that you are correct, that ExKirby is simply a new player making simple newbish mistakes. I agree that he definitely is not plotting this out with his scumpartner (though that might be a decent idea; one scumparter attracts all attention to themselves while the other lurks away). He could have gone rogue, however. I think it was alex in paranormal 6 or something who said to our scumteam "During the day, you're just regular townies trying to find scum. We're only scum at night." Alternatively, Exkirby slipped up, and now his teammates have cut him loose.
In any case, I refuse to simply forget about scumtells (like attempting to lynch a person without any reasoning) on account of Exkirby being a newbie. We have policies for a reason; to catch scum if they slip up. New scum often slip up, for the very reason that they are new. What if we have something like an ExKirby, Magmadeath, Rooster scumteam(assuming that there's 3 scum)? There's no way they could make an effective day strategy.
Now however, I'm starting to realize that there's people here who haven't commented on this situation much. Bulborish and Magmadeath haven't commented much since we got out of the issues argument.
Now for humor:
I didn't say that *censored* made a post rubbish. I clearly said *censored* reasons.HE CENSORS HIS POSTS AND COLORS THEM RED! CONSERVATIVE SCUM!!
Post by: ExKirby on November 23, 2009, 03:35:21 pm
Post by: Rooster on November 24, 2009, 09:46:55 am
Alex: Sorry bout lurking, but I don't have much to say that I wasn't already said.
I wanted to ask ExKirby questions, but you and Dakarian have said everything. So what can I add? Nothing, and therefore I'll focus on someone else when I'll have the opportunity.
Frelock: Why is Magma Death on your suspect list? Me and Ex Kirby I understand, but if someone doesn't post for a long time then that person gets prodded.
And you constructed something I don't understand.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 24, 2009, 01:02:44 pm
Post by: ExKirby on November 24, 2009, 02:43:30 pm
Post by: Alexhans on November 24, 2009, 04:06:22 pm
This game still sucks... Mr.Person came around to tell me to control myself and dissapeared... ::)
Exkirby acts like a policy lynch 1st candidate...
I don't have the enticement to play this....
Rooster says he doesnt have much to say other than what has already been said... NOTHING has been said... NOTHING.
We STILL Need to lynch Kashyyk. We still do.
btw, The damn you think was a joke. I hope you understood that. maybe it would've been better if I had written a smiley.
Red is FOR VOTING ONLY.
Quote from: A
1) What does it mean that I was overly persistant in the RVS? What posts indicate that? Why is it scummy? (If it is) The random vote stage is just to get people talking.
Quote from: Ex
I'm pretty sure Org posted before you made the post in dak's long list. Seeing as I saw no proof, you were still randomvoting for no reason.SIgh... RAndom vote means that there isn't a reason for the vote!!!
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2) You say I was persistant when there was no proof. What do you consider proof? Is there proof now? What?
Quote from: K
Well, it's hard to read scumtells from a guy who post little.CAN YOU PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION instead of a random phrase of empty content? What PROOF is there now? What proof makes your vote better than any of mine or someone elses?
Quote from: A
3) Did you read my post about the "over reacting" topic? Why do you agree/disagree?
Quote from: Ex
Nope, must have missed them.Well... Re-read them please and stop being so frigging anti-town.
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4) I don't quite get this... Do you say I used the word bullshit to avoid discussions? Do you think I didn't address dakarian's points? If you think I did... how's that avoidance? Also, didn't you avoid discussions by saying "what Dak said" when asked about your opinions on org & Arch(Alexhans)?
Quote from: Ex
I didn't say that *censored* made a post rubbish. I clearly said *censored* reasons. Trust me, I think you can do better than your reasoning. And as for me, I admit to being slightly lazy, just recalling dak's post thinking it would be a legit answer. For future refference, I know now.What do you mean I can do better? I can do better when? What do you think on what I said about Kashyyk? How is your admittance of lazyness of any use?
Quote from: A
5) What are the false acts I generated? Quote them, please.
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False acts?YES! Dammit. False acts. You said it yourself in your previous post.
Well, effectivly, he was being overly persistant in the RVS stage, where there was no proof, he over-reacted, generally using *word censored for my sanity* reasons to avoid discussions, generating false facts... yeah. I think I neatly summarized that.
Finally... Why is magmadeath posting on EVERY OTHER mafia?
Post by: Leafsnail on November 24, 2009, 04:17:33 pm
Transparency: Alexhans, Frelock, dakarian, ExKirby, bulborbish, Pandarsenic, Org [7]
Censorship: MagmaDeath, Rooster, Kashyyk, Mr.Person [4]
Curfews: Mr.Person [1]
Roleflips: Rooster [1]
Vote count (Republicans!):
ExKirby: Rooster, Org, Frelock [3]
Org: Mr.Person, [1]
Pandarsenic: bulborish [1]
Alexhans: ExKirby [1]
bulborbish: MagmaDeath [1]
Frelock: dakarian [1]
kashyyk: Alexhans [1]
Deadline is today... probably in about an hour. I tend to do it when I'm about to get off my computer.
Post by: dakarian on November 24, 2009, 04:19:17 pm
Post by: Alexhans on November 24, 2009, 04:40:46 pm
Mr.Person has been online, magmadeath... and many others... check the profiles yourselves...
Exkirby probably deserves this... But the activity in this game is sad.
Remember what I told you about kashyyk.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 24, 2009, 05:00:23 pm
Post by: Alexhans on November 24, 2009, 05:07:22 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on November 24, 2009, 05:24:03 pm
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Kashyyk: 2 posts. One of them voting censorship thinking about what would hurt scum instead of what would help town and the other quoting the mafia wiki and asking for the specific deadline. So far, this is the kind of scummy person that half-way lurks through a game.
Do you mean this?
As I have said countless times, I do not lurk intentionally. I have school to go to everyday, I need to find time to revise for exams, and I have a mighty fine need to sleep sometime this month. So, please excuse me if that sounded angry, I'm just annoyed that everyone always drags it up.
Also, I have not voted yet as I have not found someone who in my mind deserves my vote.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 24, 2009, 05:36:59 pm
Vote count (Issues):
Transparency: Alexhans, Frelock, dakarian, ExKirby, bulborbish, Pandarsenic, Org [7]
Censorship: MagmaDeath, Rooster, Kashyyk, Mr.Person [4]
Curfews: Mr.Person [1]
Roleflips: Rooster [1]
Vote count (Lynching):
ExKirby: Rooster, Org, Frelock [3]
Org: Mr.Person, [1]
Pandarsenic: bulborish [1]
Alexhans: ExKirby [1]
bulborbish: MagmaDeath [1]
Frelock: dakarian [1]
kashyyk: Alexhans [1]
So... ExKirby will be first to die, it seems. He is stood up against the wall, as Frelock aims the rifle at him.
"Any last words?" enquires Frelock, preparing to fire.
"Yes!" says ExKirby, "But I ain't sayin' them yet!"
ExKirby leaps to the side, and Frelock misses a shot at him. ExKirby reaches down into the bag on his back, and produces a sawnoff shotgun! He points it in the general direction of the room, and everyone falls silent.
"If I'm going to hell, I'm bloody well taking a conservative with me!" He... no wait, SHE turns the gun towards Alexhans and blasts him in the stomach! Frelock finally regains his concentration, and aims the gun at ExKirby once more. "I did all I could... I did all I could..." says ExKirby, before Frelock fires the fatal shot.
ExKirby, Marion, Liberal Modified Super-Saint has been lynched.
All eyes turn to Alexhans, who is lying on the floor in a pool of blood. However, he stands up, and looks down at his bloodstained clothes.
"Christ, that hurt... what the fuck did he do that for?"
"She!" Says Dakarian gravely, "And do you realize we just killed the founder of this entire movement?"
Everyone looks uneasy. You campaign for a few hours on the issue of Transparency before going to bed, and are able to bring it back to the correct side. You vow that Marion's sacrifice will not be in vain.
The issues:
Noone is allowed to pm anyone else. The mafia may use their quicktopic.
A non-negotiable deadline of 4 real life days (weekend counts as one day) is placed on each dayphase.
The name of each team and the number of players alive in each team is displayed with every votecount and at the start of each phase.
Rolename and alignment are the only things revealed on death. Some roles may flip differently to their true alignments.
Anyone killed in the night will be vaguely described as "killed".
Some elements of role pms may be [CLASSIFIED]
Teams:
Liberals: 6
Conservatives: 2
Stalinists: 2
Super Mutant: 1
Post by: Leafsnail on November 26, 2009, 12:41:29 pm
The Agenda reads:
Noone is allowed to pm anyone else. The mafia may use their quicktopic.
You aren't entirely sure what the legal status of curfews is.
The name of each team and the number of players alive in each team is displayed with every votecount and at the start of each phase.
Rolename, alignment and role pm are revealed on death. All roles will flip according to their alignment and abilities, with death miller abilities overridden.
Anyone killed in the night will be vaguely described as "killed".
Some elements of role pms may be [CLASSIFIED]. This law seems to be rigidly locked in place, at least for now.
Interesting. You do a headcount and realize Pandarsenic and Dakarian are both missing.
You go to Dakarian's room, and find a horrifying but not particularly surprising scene. He was killed just outside his room, and has a look of terror on his face. You search through his room, and find a large array of medical instruments.
Dakarian, Liberal Doctor, has been killed in the night.
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Active abilities:
Protect and Serve: You may protect someone each night.
Passive abilities:
None
Issue abilities:
Hold Your Ground: You may select an issue every night. You will prevent any attempts to conservatise the issue that night.
You head over to Pandarsenic's room, and find... something. Whatever it is, it certainly doesn't look like the Pandarsenic you saw yesterday. It's a hideous, deformed mutant with sharp teeth and glowing green claws... and it's still alive! Pandarsenic turns to you and smiles. You see at least 3 bullet wounds in his head.
"Pah, my glorious campaign... ended so prematurely. Perhaps an ARGH class mutant can never get a break. Never mind, bastards. I'll be seeing you all in hell." With that, he collapses forwards, dead.
Pandarsenic, Genetic Monster, Super-Mutant Daykiller, has been killed in the night.
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Active abilities:
Acid Pain: A quick acid spit can result in a wonderfully painful and gruesome death. It can also be performed once every dayphase (except day one), and it will not be tracable back to you.
Passive abilities:
Ironic Indifference: Any cops inspecting you will get a "moderate" result.
Issue abilities:
None. You really don't care.
Time to get to work.
Teams:
Liberals: 5
Conservatives: 2
Stalinists: 2
Super-Mutant: 0
Post by: Org on November 26, 2009, 12:46:22 pm
Censorship
Post by: Leafsnail on November 26, 2009, 12:52:26 pm
Well, to start off the day:
Censorship
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Some elements of role pms may be [CLASSIFIED]. This law seems to be rigidly locked in place, at least for now.
Post by: Mr.Person on November 26, 2009, 01:55:34 pm
Also, requesting a day extension. If it's granted, we know curfews are at moderate, and we'll know if curfews are liberal or conservative after 4 days.
Post by: Org on November 26, 2009, 01:58:15 pm
Woops. Errrr...Well, to start off the day:
CensorshipQuoteSome elements of role pms may be [CLASSIFIED]. This law seems to be rigidly locked in place, at least for now.
Free speech
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 26, 2009, 01:59:09 pm
Free speech seems to be our best choice now.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 26, 2009, 02:01:21 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on November 26, 2009, 02:04:17 pm
You aren't sure whether Leafsnail is granting a day extension or not.
Well that sucks, but it's not entirely unexpected.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 26, 2009, 02:07:03 pm
Oh well, Free speach.
Also Alex:
Did I answer the right question?
Post by: Leafsnail on November 26, 2009, 03:58:52 pm
Free Speech: Mr.Person, Org, MagmaDeath, Kashyyk [4]
Teams:
Liberals: 5
Conservatives: 2
Stalinists: 2
Super-Mutant: 0
Post by: Rooster on November 26, 2009, 05:29:06 pm
Did someone just stop a SK before he could did anything?
Damn! ;)
Post by: Alexhans on November 26, 2009, 07:34:54 pm
The fact that scum or third party locked this issue might mean that they don't have hidden abilities?
Org has spoken and voted for day extension following Mr.Person. Magmadeath has also done the same. None of them have referred to the death of dakarian or the information of the setup.
Also Alex:No. You just excused your lurking and non-playing because you're busy IRL. That's not an excuse for not EVEN voting for someone based on gut or something.
Did I answer the right question?
Being busy IRL doesn't excuse not even trying to scumhunt. If you can't play, ask for a replacement. Don't use it as an excuse to lurk. Being busy doesn't make you town. Remember my demonstration on extreme lurking in paranormal 4 (I think). I just proved that everyone forgets about the extreme lurker and assumes town until it's too late.
Is no one interested in knowing what are the stalinists? Any ideas? do they have a kill? do you guys realize that by lurking, town is leaving scum (4 = 2 stal + 2 cons) to easyly lurk without contributing because that's what everyone is doing?
Are you seriously going to NOT play the whole game just because there are issues? Everyone posts their issue vote and dissapear. This is a very interesting concept and is being spoiled by the worst town I've ever seen.
where is eduren? Didnt he replace for someone?
Free SpeechJoke post with nothing else on it after you've been away. Clearly, you have no interest in finding scum because you are.
Did someone just stop a SK before he could did anything?
Damn! ;)
Vote Rooster
Quote from: remaining people
Kashyyk
Mr.Person
Org
MagmaDeath
Humaan Replaced by Eduren
Alexhans
Bulborish
Frelock
Rooster
Magmadeath: Who do you think is scum? Why were you posting elsewhere and not here?
FoS: Magmadeath
Rooster, Org and Frelock mislynched ExKirby... Why did they? (each one of you should explain why he was scummier than anyone else)
where is bulborish?
Mr.Person is probably scum too... I've never seen him so unhelpful and disinterested. Remember that if I die.
I feel surrounded by scum... 4 town players, 4 scum players. No one tries to do anything. Dakarian, the only frigging pro town player, is now dead...
IF the town players don't start doing something. We may find out that it's 3 town vs 4 scum tomorrow and the game will be lost. This is practically lylo in some ways. START PLAYING!
Post by: Org on November 26, 2009, 08:07:52 pm
Post by: Alexhans on November 26, 2009, 08:44:52 pm
Well, Alexhans. Dont you sound pissy. Why do you want to ask about Stalinists, as maybe you are one. Dude, you are playing obvscum.How much can you suck? HOW THE FUCK I AM PLAYING OBVSCUM? How's it scummy that I want to know about stalinists? How me asking about them would make me be them?
You don't say anything all game... You clearly AVOID my questions... You mislynched ExKirby without saying anything... just an OMGUS... and now you say I'm stalinist? You don't try to scumhunt... Just post 1-liners with nothing on them...
STOP IGNORING MY QUESTIONS!!!!
Are you trying to get rid of me? today? Good luck... you'll have to kill me.
Huge FoS: Org
Thanks for pointing out to yourself.
I gotta keep making everyone talk.
What do you people think about this?
Post by: Alexhans on November 26, 2009, 08:50:36 pm
I post and try to get town to talk and all I get in response is a 1 liner voting me for no reasons?
Does someone want to play or is everyone gonna lurk? In that case... Why not ask for a replacement?
Post by: Alexhans on November 26, 2009, 08:52:17 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 26, 2009, 09:16:45 pm
Post by: Org on November 26, 2009, 09:18:24 pm
Really Alexhands You should die. Looking at what you've done so far, You're way too pissed off, then you looked back on how angry you seemed and posted something to try to negate that tell. You seem like scum to me, sorry to say. Where does your 4 town, 4 scum come from? We have 5 town, 4 scum, and you seem to have ignored your fact in your anger that we found you out. You are scum, either Conservative or Stalinist, And now that we suspect you, your posts have gotten more and more frantic. Have anything else to say Mr. Scum?Dud HUGE FOS Magma Death for being a Stalinist/Conservative
@Alexhans:
HUGE FOS ALexhans not voting me
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 26, 2009, 09:19:40 pm
Post by: Alexhans on November 26, 2009, 09:52:05 pm
YOU KEEP FUCKING AVOIDING TO ANSWER ME
I HAVE A FUCKING RIGHT TO BE PISSED
THIS IS THE WORST GAME EVER
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE TOWN.
[/end of rant]
Really Alexhands You should die. Looking at what you've done so far, You're way too pissed off,Being pissed off doesnt make me scum. In fact, If you were half-smart. You would realize it probably makes it otherwise (unless its faked, wich is entirely possible). So null-tell. But i recommend you to read dakarian's read on me.
then you looked back on how angry you seemed and posted something to try to negate that tell.lol... if Im angry im scum? If Im not im scum? nice dichotomy.
You seem like scum to me, sorry to say. Where does your 4 town, 4 scum come from? We have 5 town, 4 scum, and you seem to have ignored your fact in your anger that we found you out.OK... you FAIL at math... It's 4 town + ME... if you dont know you cant understand when someone else talks from his own POV you should try to think a bit more before speaking.
You are scum, either Conservative or Stalinist, And now that we suspect you, your posts have gotten more and more frantic. Have anything else to say Mr. Scum?Yes. A couple of things. Im frantic because you guys are either scum or the most stupid players I've ever encountered. You have lurked while me and dakarian have tried to scumhunt. And now you try to lynch me for being the only fucking active guy and being angry? of course Im angry. Do some research... Im always angry when town sucks. And this town is epic in sucking.
It's funny how you're suddenly sure I'm scum. you're just bandwaggoning
You're not analyzing the game.
You never scumhunted.
You posted everywhere else.
I fosed you.
You're OMGUSing me.
You avoid giving your opinions on stuff.
You just come to jump on my waggon...
NIiiiiice.
Org... learn to read... I want Rooster to answer me. I wont change my vote before I get satisfying answers.
You and magma are great candidates but I need to see if you're just stupid or scum.
For example, look at Exkirby... He suspected me and he was town. I never went after him because I sensed that.
Why the fuck do you fos Magmadeath for no reason? You cant just say someone is scum and fos them... you need to give reasons.... is it so hard to understand?
YOU STILL NEED TO EXPLAIN YOUR EXKIRBY MISLYNCH.
Post by: Alexhans on November 26, 2009, 09:53:00 pm
What? Did you even think before you posted?Oh... now you think Org is impulsive... but not when he votes me... ::)
Please, if you're town... take your time to think about everything and I advice you to read the game.
Post by: Mr.Person on November 26, 2009, 09:58:02 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 26, 2009, 10:15:45 pm
You're not analyzing the game.Yes, I am.
You never scumhunted.What do you think I am doing? Just engaging in friendly conversation?
You posted everywhere else.Yes I did, because everywhere else, people are active. In this mafia, people seem not to be as active, and therefore I post less since I gain less content.
I fosed you.Sure, OMGUS explains everything. No. OMGUS is not a Scum tell anymore, If anything its only a Newb tell. I Honestly suspected you of being scum, and thats why I went after you, not because you FoS'd me.
You're OMGUSing me.
You avoid giving your opinions on stuff.Not really. I gave my opinions on things quite a few times.
You just come to jump on my waggon...Yeah, Um no. Two people is not a "waggon", When there are 9 people. Paranoida, another scum tell.
I think Org is probably just being Org, In other words, Stupid.
Its useally not worth it to go after him, especially this close to lylo, He usually ends up being town.
Nerveless, I would still like to hear why he FoS'd me.
And yes, Anger at being voted for is a scumtell.
Post by: Alexhans on November 26, 2009, 10:49:56 pm
Org, way to attack people for being active. Very nice, it might work on a town as lurky as this.No... No... No... I need more from you... This is not the mr.Person i know... What's your opinion on the game... on the players? what about the setup?
Quote from: MagmaDeath
then... What do you think about the rest of the players? What about the setup? I probably missed those posts... G_GYou're not analyzing the game.Yes, I am.
Quote from: MagmaDeath
no. Just waggon hopping.You never scumhunted.What do you think I am doing? Just engaging in friendly conversation?
Quote from: MagmaDeath
nice vicious circle. If people dont post. You dont post. Great if you're scum... excuse your intended lurking by the lurking of other people.You posted everywhere else.Yes I did, because everywhere else, people are active. In this mafia, people seem not to be as active, and therefore I post less since I gain less content.
Could you resume the events of day 1 for me. please? What were the highlights?
Quote from: MagmaDeath
I can believe that... but it's funny that you say OMGUS is not a scumtell (nothing is a scumtell per se) but pretend that being angry is a scumtell.I fosed you.Sure, OMGUS explains everything. No. OMGUS is not a Scum tell anymore, If anything its only a Newb tell. I Honestly suspected you of being scum, and thats why I went after you, not because you FoS'd me.
You're OMGUSing me.
Quote from: MagmaDeath
when on day 1? When on day2? I think it was 90 % about the issues...You avoid giving your opinions on stuff.Not really. I gave my opinions on things quite a few times.
Quote from: MagmaDeath
How many people did it take to lynch ExKirby? THREE ... GODDAMMED THREE (3)... so it's not paranoia... if town doesnt play.... I can get lynched with just 2. Not that I think it will happen. But it might. And a vote followed inmediatly by another is always a waggon. It doesnt have to be a 4th vote... do you pretend that because you voted early you're free of jumping on a waggon? is that a scumtactic?You just come to jump on my waggon...Yeah, Um no. Two people is not a "waggon", When there are 9 people. Paranoida, another scum tell.
Quote from: MagmaDeath
I think Org is probably just being Org, In other words, Stupid.That's why i didnt jump inmediatly on him, despite his nonsense.
Its useally not worth it to go after him, especially this close to lylo, He usually ends up being town.
Quote from: MagmaDeath
Nerveless, I would still like to hear why he FoS'd me.I'd love to hear it too.
Quote from: MagmaDeath
And yes, Anger at being voted for is a scumtell.Bullshit. Research mafia games, dude. I've been town quite a few times. I've expressed anger a lot of times (regardless of allignment).
You're thinking in absolutes. That's flawed.
Do you think the first time I expressed anger was when I was voted? If you dont, why didnt you mention this when Dakarian voted me and I strongly fought him?
Post by: Org on November 26, 2009, 10:53:15 pm
Post by: Alexhans on November 26, 2009, 10:57:48 pm
Org can't stand condescending types. Nor Agressive types. Org sucks as town and scum...
The fact that I'm saying this, will emotionally set Org on voting me...
But I couldn't care less... because he is, apparently, incapable of making a decent post or answer any of my questions. Or directly address me.
So... Org... do what you want... Maybe one day you will learn how to play mafia without a super power role to indicate you the way...
Post by: Org on November 26, 2009, 10:58:55 pm
Ok... Org clearly can't stand someone who speaks more than him and complains about him...Hello dickwad. I am doing a great job of finding scum. Maybe if the rest of town wasnt an idiot.
Org can't stand condescending types. Nor Agressive types. Org sucks as town and scum...
The fact that I'm saying this, will emotionally set Org on voting me...
But I couldn't care less... because he is, apparently, incapable of making a decent post or answer any of my questions. Or directly address me.
So... Org... do what you want... Maybe one day you will learn how to play mafia without a super power role to indicate you the way...
Post by: Alexhans on November 26, 2009, 11:03:41 pm
And your incompetence to resist and ad hom without being blinded by teen fury shows us you dont have what it takes to win.
the fact that you tunnel vision with 2 lines and leave and only come back to add to more lines of nothing shows us you don't know how to play mafia. Mafia is about scumhunting too, you know?
btw... I know your role...
you're probably one of the masons with bulborish... It's very likely that you guys differ on allignments. Think about that.My reasoning is, with free speech, our almighty lords the elite liberals can plan without the conservitives noticing.
anyway... this is my last make-org-cry-like-a-schoolgirl post... I shouldn't be doing this but it releases some tension from my system...
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 26, 2009, 11:11:36 pm
Ill respond to the rest later, when I have time.
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 27, 2009, 12:57:08 am
Post by: Frelock on November 27, 2009, 03:03:03 am
Alright, so first off, I'll answer your question Alex. I was responsible for the ExKirby mislynch. First, I saw his seemingly off vote for Archangel. I called him on it, and pressed for his reasoning. He pointed at Dak and said "what he said." Now, that was completely stupid as he meant to be voting for you(Alex) the entire time. When pressed further, he couldn't come up with any real reasoning whatsoever. Hence, I voted for him. It seemed to me like he was going for what he might have thought would be an easy lynch, as Dak was on Alex at the time he originally voted. The real thing that got under my nerves was when he just kept quoting Dak's post, basically saying "I don't have any real reason to vote, but this guy says there's a reason, so I'll go with him."
I don't really know why Rooster and Org joined me, but they came in after ExKirby revealed that he was voting for Alex, or basically near the end of the day, when there was no clear majority on anyone else. It's possible that they were just bandwaggoning, but why they didn't join ExKirby on lynching Alexhans (a far more active player) sort of dispels that theory. Of course, they had more reason to go against ExKirby than Alex, at least in my opinion.
Speaking of Alex, I'm somewhat curious as to how you survived ExKirby's super-saint attack. Day-kill immune townie? Of course you don't have to answer that, I'm just saying that it's unexpected ('course, the super-said part was unexpected too). I'm guessing the "modified" part meant that whomever he was voting for was killed, considering who was targeted. I wonder if he knew about this, and if so, why did he decide to kill Alex?
Now, let's talk about what happened in the night. First, we have our two kills: Dak and Panda. Dak was a fairly obvious one; he was an active player who scumhunted. Panda, I'm not as sure about. He was somewhat active, but not so much as to attract attention. It's possible that his insistence on roleflips rather than transparency might have given him away as a third party. I think we can safely assume the conservatives had one kill. Just through the flavor of the name, I would guess the Stalinists had the second kill. This means there is some hope that the two groups will kill each other off. However, this does not allow the town to do absolutely nothing during the day.
A quick statement on what happened with the issues last night: we had someone or someones who completely liberalized roleflips (thank you for that). We also have the questionable legal status of Cerfews, which is odd. I think that we should be safe and assume it's still conservative for now. Then finally we have the censorship law locked in place. That is quite annoying, but I think we can still work around it. I'm going to go and place an unneded vote on Free Speech and say no more about the issues.
Alright, so what's happened today so far? We have a bunch of people popping in to vote on the issues, and saying very little about anything else. Alex calls people out on it. Org and Magmadeath jump on Alex for being "too angry," or somesuch. I'm going to call bullsh*t on that.
Come now, does it make any sense for a scum to try to get people to post? Scum can survive at night; it's when they have the advantage. Scum doesn't need to do anything during the day except not get lynched. Town needs to work during the day to get scum lynched. This is a necessity which Alex has been pointing to. The only other active people are arguing with Alex. Now, I'll admit, as scum I've done the whole "people need to get in here and talk" speech, but never with as much fervor as Alex does. To me, he seems sincere; Alex always plays a hot town and a cool scum. I'm going to call him Town for the time being.
As to who is scum? I'm currently leaning towards Org: he voted for ExKirby with little reasoning of his own, and now he striking at Alex with little point. Of course, Org could just be playing stupid as well, I don't really know yet. When everybody is talking, I'll turn my attention to him.
Thus far, Bulborish and Eduren have yet to show up. Since it's a holiday (in the US, at least), I'm willing to give them a little leeway, so one more day till they earn my ire. On the other hand, Rooster and Kashyyk have shown up, posted on the issues, and left. No comment about what happened during the night, no comment about the last day either. I might as well put my money where my mouth is and vote Rooster. What do you think about last night? What's your opinion on Alexhans? What was your reasoning for voting ExKirby again?
Post by: Frelock on November 27, 2009, 03:05:03 am
I hate you all.
One other thing I should mention, did we really have 2 mafias and an SK? Seems rather overboard on scum to me. Of course, with 3 kills per day/night, there was bound to be plenty of scum dying to other scum.
Post by: Rooster on November 27, 2009, 07:52:29 am
Frelock: No I didn't come after him after voting for Alex. In fact it was randomvote the whole time from me.
Also I didn't say nothing on last night. Can you read? I said we were damn lucky to see SK dead.
Alexhans is just doing a "I dare you" stunt just like Panda did earlier. It really didn't help Pandarsenic at night.
Alexhans: What do you expect from me? To repent for having a hand in lynching ExKirby?
You gotta be joking. Why didn't you just openly said that ExKirby isn't worth it and went for someone else like an avalanche?
Vote Frelock: misinterpreting of what I said. Saying like he was the most important part in all this. Only scum should put words in someone's mouth. Keep that in mind
The fact that a townie got lynched means very little. And because of Alexhans post almost no one will vote for him, and if someone did, that would be highly suspicious. Nice WIFOM Alexhans
Post by: Alexhans on November 27, 2009, 08:47:01 am
Quote from: Frelock
Sorry for being out so long; Turkey day was fun. I'll be sure to be more active.oh... I forgot about the US holiday...
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Alright, so first off, I'll answer your question Alex. I was responsible for the ExKirby mislynch. First, I saw his seemingly off vote for Archangel. I called him on it, and pressed for his reasoning. He pointed at Dak and said "what he said." Now, that was completely stupid as he meant to be voting for you(Alex) the entire time. When pressed further, he couldn't come up with any real reasoning whatsoever. Hence, I voted for him. It seemed to me like he was going for what he might have thought would be an easy lynch, as Dak was on Alex at the time he originally voted. The real thing that got under my nerves was when he just kept quoting Dak's post, basically saying "I don't have any real reason to vote, but this guy says there's a reason, so I'll go with him."Your reasons are sound. The fact that he stubbornly voted for me with dak's reasons even when dak explained him how he thought otherwise was lame. But consider for example, Kashyyk. The guy I pressured with no success on day 1. He never felt the need to vote because no one was scummy enough. Kashyyk is no newb like we might consider, ExKirby, who has not get the hang of mafia yet.
Would you say it's scummier to vote with someone else's reasons or not vote at all an glide through the game, unnoticed?
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I don't really know why Rooster and Org joined me, but they came in after ExKirby revealed that he was voting for Alex, or basically near the end of the day, when there was no clear majority on anyone else. It's possible that they were just bandwaggoning, but why they didn't join ExKirby on lynching Alexhans (a far more active player) sort of dispels that theory. Of course, they had more reason to go against ExKirby than Alex, at least in my opinion.ExKirby was much easier mislynch. Org voted exKirby in some kind of OMGUS-childish-rage, similar to what he is doing with me. That's his pattern. it seems.
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Speaking of Alex, I'm somewhat curious as to how you survived ExKirby's super-saint attack. Day-kill immune townie? Of course you don't have to answer that, I'm just saying that it's unexpected ('course, the super-said part was unexpected too). I'm guessing the "modified" part meant that whomever he was voting for was killed, considering who was targeted. I wonder if he knew about this, and if so, why did he decide to kill Alex?For the town's sake. This is a subject in wich I will not dwell to much unless a sufficient number people want me to talk about it. It would probably help scum. I'm glad to noticed it, though. That shows that you are paying attention. Unlike every other guy who has posted.
if the role didn't make Exkirby just kill whoever he was voting he probably chose me because, sadly, he thought i was scum.
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Now, let's talk about what happened in the night. First, we have our two kills: Dak and Panda. Dak was a fairly obvious one; he was an active player who scumhunted. Panda, I'm not as sure about. He was somewhat active, but not so much as to attract attention. It's possible that his insistence on roleflips rather than transparency might have given him away as a third party. I think we can safely assume the conservatives had one kill. Just through the flavor of the name, I would guess the Stalinists had the second kill. This means there is some hope that the two groups will kill each other off. However, this does not allow the town to do absolutely nothing during the day.Man... I've missed this. Even if you are scum. I'm so thankful for your post. I didn't think that Pandar was an obv third party. His reasons for roleflips were pretty good, IMO. He didn't scumhunt though.
Crosskills are relatively good odds throughout the game. But, as you say, we can't take chances.
Quote from: Frelock
A quick statement on what happened with the issues last night: we had someone or someones who completely liberalized roleflips (thank you for that). We also have the questionable legal status of Cerfews, which is odd. I think that we should be safe and assume it's still conservative for now. Then finally we have the censorship law locked in place. That is quite annoying, but I think we can still work around it. I'm going to go and place an unneded vote on Free Speech and say no more about the issues.I think we could theorize that whoever voted censorship during the day does not belong to the scumteam (prob conservatives) that locked the issue. That goes in my TOCHECK list.
Frelock, never mind my "town fervor". Even if I was scum. It's in town's best interest to look at everyone and scumhunt. There's no reason for people to tunnel-vision and shutting like clams about everythign else.
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As to who is scum? I'm currently leaning towards Org: he voted for ExKirby with little reasoning of his own, and now he striking at Alex with little point. Of course, Org could just be playing stupid as well, I don't really know yet. When everybody is talking, I'll turn my attention to him.I have this growing feeling that Org is genuine and town. Don't fall again on the easy-newbscum trap. We can't just let him play like this but he should focus on other people too.
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Thus far, Bulborish and Eduren have yet to show up.and Mr.Person!!! This is extremely important. There's 3 players who arent playing and don't feel the need. If Mr.Person doesn't come up with some good posts soon I'm gonna recommend that we lynch him before it's too late. I would be voting him if I only were allowed to vote once. He knows that lurking aids scum. He comes and posts one liners and dissapears again. If that is not flying under the radar. I don't know what is.
FoS: Mr.Person (just to make it clear)
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Sk had a different kind of kill... Powerful, but only after day 2. So we are free of that one. If stalinists have a kill. It makes me sad to realize the fact that there's no town vigilante, I mean, come on... this is the LCS... :roll: We use GUNS and violence to liberalize the world.Quote from: PandarsenicI hate you all.
One other thing I should mention, did we really have 2 mafias and an SK? Seems rather overboard on scum to me. Of course, with 3 kills per day/night, there was bound to be plenty of scum dying to other scum.
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Frelock & Alexhans: <facepalm> I didn't join you! Neighter was my voting a wagon in any way. I was the first voter. I just didn't unvote him.Ok. why didn't you?
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Frelock: No I didn't come after him after voting for Alex. In fact it was randomvote the whole time from me.again. Why did you stick to a random vote to lynch someone?
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Also I didn't say nothing on last night. Can you read? I said we were damn lucky to see SK dead.Well... that's not really useful is it. I mean, we can all post fluff and jokes but posting something about the game could've been cool.
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Alexhans is just doing a "I dare you" stunt just like Panda did earlier. It really didn't help Pandarsenic at night.Ok... I was thinking about unvoting you to focus on other people. But this doesn't sound well. First, specify what you mean with the "stunt". Second, is that a threat? It surely sounds like it. Are you relishing in the fact that I might die or what?
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Alexhans: What do you expect from me? To repent for having a hand in lynching ExKirby?No. Just explain what were your reasons so we can all understand if your motives were pro-town. I didn't vote Exkirby. I called him stubborn. I tried to reason with him. If you didn't understand that I didn't want him lynched, it's your fault. I went after kashyyk but no one took any notice.
You gotta be joking. Why didn't you just openly said that ExKirby isn't worth it and went for someone else like an avalanche?
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Vote Frelock: misinterpreting of what I said. Saying like he was the most important part in all this. Only scum should put words in someone's mouth. Keep that in mindwrong. Maybe you're just overreacting to a scumhunt attempt. If you think someone is putting words into your mouth contradict them and explain why. Don't just vote because they might very well be town.
Also, what do you think about the lurkers? We should let them win if they're scum because they aren't playing?
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The fact that a townie got lynched means very little. And because of Alexhans post almost no one will vote for him, and if someone did, that would be highly suspicious. Nice WIFOM AlexhansDude... if you're accusing me do it the straight way. Don't beat around the bush with generics. Explain what I said and why do you think is scummy.
Wich post? Why no one will vote for me? Why would it be suspicious for someone to vote me? (do you think there's good reasons to vote me?) What WIFOM did I make?
Post by: Leafsnail on November 27, 2009, 10:43:21 am
Free Speech: Mr.Person, Org, MagmaDeath, Kashyyk, Rooster [5]
Vote count (I suppose we need to find them Trots now too?):
Rooster: Alexhans, Frelock [2]
Alexhans: Org, MagmaDeath [2]
Org: Mr.Person [1]
Frelock: Rooster [1]
Teams:
Liberals: 5
Conservatives: 2
Stalinists: 2
Super-Mutant: 0
Post by: Mr.Person on November 27, 2009, 10:57:36 am
I'm also going to look into Rooster, MagmaDeath, and all the lurkers who have yet to vote for someone today. Alex, who I think is a townie, but I've learned that I cannot read Alex well, is right. There are a lot of people who aren't saying anything. Like you, Kashyyk. Come one down, vote someone, at least say something.
Post by: Alexhans on November 27, 2009, 11:15:19 am
Well, I would vote someone else, but Org is scum. He has no good reason to vote Alex, and yet he continues to vote Alex for seemingly no reason.Isn't this the same thing ExKirby did? That worries me.
Mr.Person. You've been missing practically all d1. I'd like to hear much more from you.
Can someone theorize on stalinists? What are they? Why are they inserted here? What could their goals be?
Post by: Org on November 27, 2009, 11:19:25 am
Post by: Alexhans on November 27, 2009, 11:43:52 am
How would i sell, as scum, the fact that you were my buddy? Are you stupid? You're going after me for no reason... and it doesn't look like bussing... You're too silly to even know the concept.
I wouldn't need to make you look my scumbuddy... because if I were scum, I wouldn't plan on being lynched...
If I wanted you dead... I'd vote you for being so anti-town and I'd probably get support for it... don't you see it? Frelock, Mr.Person and others expressed concerns over your actions and desire to vote you.
How the hell would it be a good play to make me look like your scumbuddy?
Before you say something you don't understand, this is NOT WIFOM... this is a rational argument. Read it as many times as you need to understand it.
Post by: Rooster on November 27, 2009, 12:06:20 pm
What I mean with the stunt is that you are playing very good. Too good. Pandarsenic said that anyone who voted him was scummy (or something like that). First you said that you needed protection at night, and you probably had it, therefore mafia went for other people. If you go around like that nobody will even approach you with voting, increasing risk of being a target for NK. But the doctor is dead and unless there is a second one that trusts you, then it really doesn't do you good to put yourself in the middle of attention, especially when Pandarsenic was NK "just because" (Nobody knows why for sure). And yes I for one didn't took much notice about the argument with Kashyyk. It would be good now to see him post walls of text.
About Frelock: Honestly what is he trying to do here? I DID NOT WAGON EXKIRBY! I was the first voter, and Frelock said I did, only mafia should lie. Seriously.
What about lurkers? It would be great if leafsnail would be more harsh to them, and prod them, ask them to be replaced, or whatever. At least one post every 24 hours.
End of your post: You're so Pro-Town that it's suspicious to vote pro-town player no?
Unless I misunderstood Org and Magma Death were slaughtered for voting you no?
A question arises: Are you scum? Because if you are then you're dangerous and therefore someone to lynch, but if you're town then that would be such a huge mistake that would cost the town the game.
Post by: Rooster on November 27, 2009, 12:06:47 pm
:/
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 27, 2009, 03:10:42 pm
you're so childish... :D I could write all your posts down in one post and it wouldn't amount to anything... just a few random lines.How exactly do you know his role? You are apperently a town aligned role cop who is day kill immune... Yeah right. More like you had help from one of your mafiesto friends, then forgot that you weren't supposed to know that.
And your incompetence to resist and ad hom without being blinded by teen fury shows us you dont have what it takes to win.
the fact that you tunnel vision with 2 lines and leave and only come back to add to more lines of nothing shows us you don't know how to play mafia. Mafia is about scumhunting too, you know?
btw... I know your role...you're probably one of the masons with bulborish... It's very likely that you guys differ on allignments. Think about that.My reasoning is, with free speech, our almighty lords the elite liberals can plan without the conservitives noticing.
anyway... this is my last make-org-cry-like-a-schoolgirl post... I shouldn't be doing this but it releases some tension from my system...
Kashyyk: Not really sureQuote from: MagmaDeaththen... What do you think about the rest of the players? What about the setup? I probably missed those posts... G_GYou're not analyzing the game.Yes, I am.
Mr.Person: Lurky possible scum.
Org: This looks like town Org to me, though he has an eternal null tell. We probably shouldn't bother going after him, though we should keep an eye out.
Eduren: Lurky, Possible scum.
Alexhans: Trying to lead the town around, directing who they vote for. Scum.
Bulborish: Lurky possible scum
Frelock: Probably not scum
Rooster: Probably not scum, Just new.
So anyone who votes for you is now jumping on a bandwagon? Nice WIFOM there scummy.Quote from: MagmaDeathno. Just waggon hopping.You never scumhunted.What do you think I am doing? Just engaging in friendly conversation?
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nice vicious circle. If people dont post. You dont post. Great if you're scum... excuse your intended lurking by the lurking of other people.You posted everywhere else.Yes I did, because everywhere else, people are active. In this mafia, people seem not to be as active, and therefore I post less since I gain less content.
Could you resume the events of day 1 for me. please? What were the highlights?
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Mainly, ExKirby screwing up with his reasoning for voting you, IE just saying "What darkian said".
Everyone jumped on this, and he was lynched.
OMGUS really isnt as much of a scumtell as being Overemotional at the prospect of being lynched.Quote from: MagmaDeathI can believe that... but it's funny that you say OMGUS is not a scumtell (nothing is a scumtell per se) but pretend that being angry is a scumtell.I fosed you.Sure, OMGUS explains everything. No. OMGUS is not a Scum tell anymore, If anything its only a Newb tell. I Honestly suspected you of being scum, and thats why I went after you, not because you FoS'd me.
You're OMGUSing me.
Quote from: MagmaDeathHow many people did it take to lynch ExKirby? THREE ... GODDAMMED THREE (3)... so it's not paranoia... if town doesnt play.... I can get lynched with just 2. Not that I think it will happen. But it might. And a vote followed inmediatly by another is always a waggon. It doesnt have to be a 4th vote... do you pretend that because you voted early you're free of jumping on a waggon? is that a scumtactic?You just come to jump on my waggon...Yeah, Um no. Two people is not a "waggon", When there are 9 people. Paranoida, another scum tell.
And? I've looked over some of your previous games and you've never been as angry as this at being voted for. Your super self-preservation instinct, even if you are town is not pro town.Quote from: MagmaDeathAnd yes, Anger at being voted for is a scumtell.Bullshit. Research mafia games, dude. I've been town quite a few times. I've expressed anger a lot of times (regardless of allignment).
You're thinking in absolutes. That's flawed.What? He had voted for you for the same reasons I had, Then backed off. I was much busier then, So I wasn't as active. It had already blown over by the time I got back.
Do you think the first time I expressed anger was when I was voted? If you dont, why didnt you mention this when Dakarian voted me and I strongly fought him?
In case you didn't read the rest of the post. Its impossible to PM, And Alexhans is apperently Day-Kill immune and knows Orgs role. What do you think the likely hood of us having a daykill immune role cop is? Think about it.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 27, 2009, 03:22:09 pm
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But consider for example, Kashyyk. The guy I pressured with no success on day 1. He never felt the need to vote because no one was scummy enough. Kashyyk is no newb like we might consider, ExKirby, who has not get the hang of mafia yet.
Would you say it's scummier to vote with someone else's reasons or not vote at all an glide through the game, unnoticed?
In my opinion it is more scummy to vote with someone else's reasons. It feels to much like bandwagonning, which is bad. I try to think up new reasons or at least reiterate old ones if I'm going to vote someone. For example, I don't say "I'm voting Alexhans cos of what Org said kthxbai!" That's just wrong.
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I went after kashyyk but no one took any notice.I'm quite interested to find the reasoning behind that, any decent town would have jumped and dragged words out of me, or had me lynched.
Also Alex, what question do you actually mean then? I'm at a loss.
Quote from: MagmaDeath
Kashyyk: Not really sureI'm hoping to change that.
Finally, my own thoughts:
I personally don't believe Alex's 'frantic angriness' to be scummy, I see why it might be but I don't think it is in this case. MagmaDeath's post may have things going for it, however I feel that it is too forced.
I'm going to vote MagmaDeath as he has either stolen the Toony Tunnel, or is going after someone he and his scumbuddy think is an easylynch. Which means Org. FOS on you, since I don't have two votes.
Post by: Frelock on November 27, 2009, 04:07:59 pm
Ex Kirby (He just acted weird but I'm unsure what whas a scumtell and what a townietell)
Also, after Dak and I interrogated ExKirby, he had this post:
The situation demands for me to speak, so I speak.
Alex: Sorry bout lurking, but I don't have much to say that I wasn't already said.
I wanted to ask ExKirby questions, but you and Dakarian have said everything. So what can I add? Nothing, and therefore I'll focus on someone else when I'll have the opportunity.
Alright, now though I'm not entirely happy with those posts and that reasoning (especially the second one; it's similar to why I voted for ExKirby, not to mention you never focused on anyone else until I voted for you), you are talking now, which was my main intention. Therefore, I will Unvote Rooster.
Post by: Eduren on November 27, 2009, 05:13:02 pm
Org: If you ever make a post that is more than 100 words, I will literally send you 30 bucks. That being said you are using buzz words and bad logic.
Frelock: Can't really read him
Rooster: You jumped pretty hard at what was essentially a lurkerhunt
Mr. Person: You seem to be active-lurking. Org has never given good reasons for what he does, and I don't like that either (I'm actually toying with the idea to ban him from any games I eventually host) but I don't see a good reason to lynch him. You are putting your vote on a neutral person and lurkerhunting. This smacks of scum trying to blend into the background.
Alex: Well, day one I couldn't read the thread fast enough and by the time that I was done, the day was over. Today, I had a holiday. Your anger seems to be genuine frustration but I'm keeping my eye on you.
Post by: Rooster on November 27, 2009, 05:38:53 pm
I will start on my suspicions.
Org: If you ever make a post that is more than 100 words, I will literally send you 30 bucks.
Wow. You promise? You should totally give it to Tarn Adams...
Post by: Eduren on November 27, 2009, 05:54:05 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on November 27, 2009, 06:12:12 pm
You seem to be active-lurking. Org has never given good reasons for what he does,
And that makes it ok?
Post by: Org on November 27, 2009, 06:33:48 pm
Yes.You seem to be active-lurking. Org has never given good reasons for what he does,
And that makes it ok?
Eduren, banning me from any game you make? So, because we should just let our emotions cloud our thoughts, we should ban any player we dont like? Im sorry, but thats not really how it works. No one bans Org from any game. Now, if I had cheated, or hadnty shown up after I signed up and the game was going, that would be a GOOD reason to ban, but its no reason that just because I ignore Alexhans and dont post alot, that, is no reason to ban me. Besides, I doubt I would join your game if you ar4e going to be like that.
And you know what Eduren? One Hundred Seventeen words. Fuck you.
Post by: Eduren on November 27, 2009, 06:51:23 pm
Mr. Person: I never said that it was ok. I that it is terrible. Lynching him over it might be an emotionally satisfying thing to do, but it is probably not going to win us the game. The reason that you are looking scummy is that voting Org is all that you are doing. Do you honestly think that he is scum?
Post by: Mr.Person on November 27, 2009, 07:10:21 pm
He needs to conform to OUR standards, not the other way around.
Beyond Org, since there's 3 other scums to find, I would look at Kashyyk. I'm never comfortable with looking for teams too early on. Besides, I'm not even sure where you get your team idea from, since you never provided any examples.
Alex, why were you spreading WIFOM when you were talking about Eduren and Org possibly being masons? If they were masons, even though they're unconfirmed, it's still probably best for the pair to both assume the other is town (at least til lylo, anyways), barring anything such as cop claims. On the other hand, checking periodically and deciding if they're scum from behavior is probably best. In any case, I strongly dislike the way Alex worded that. "They could be scum, remember that!". Yeah, but mason pairs are MORE THAN LIKELY to be town. Don't WIFOM, decide.
Oh, and I'd like a vote count, please.
Post by: Eduren on November 27, 2009, 07:21:02 pm
Yes. I'm not going to WIFOM myself into thinking that "He does this every time", because then he'd just continue to lurk in every single game he's in because if he did anything else, we'd think he's scum.I understand that but it doesn't stop you from looking scummy.
He needs to conform to OUR standards, not the other way around.
Besides, I'm not even sure where you get your team idea from, since you never provided any examples.Umm are you still talking to me here, because I've never mentioned a team.
Alex, why were you spreading WIFOM when you were talking about Eduren and Org possibly being masons?Confusing me with bulborish are we?
Post by: Frelock on November 27, 2009, 07:25:03 pm
With regards to Org, do you think we should policy lynch him in every game he's in until he changes his ways?
Post by: Mr.Person on November 27, 2009, 07:32:09 pm
Yes. I'm not going to WIFOM myself into thinking that "He does this every time", because then he'd just continue to lurk in every single game he's in because if he did anything else, we'd think he's scum.I understand that but it doesn't stop you from looking scummy.
He needs to conform to OUR standards, not the other way around.
So if you understand why I'm voting him (He lurks), why exactly do I look scummy?
Beyond Org, since there's 3 other scums to find, I would look at Kashyyk. I'm never comfortable with looking for teams too early on. Besides, I'm not even sure where you get your team idea from, since you never provided any examples.Umm are you still talking to me here, because I've never mentioned a team.Alex, why were you spreading WIFOM when you were talking about Eduren and Org possibly being masons?Confusing me with bulborish are we?
Reading is tech.
Post by: Org on November 27, 2009, 07:47:44 pm
Mr. Person,No.
With regards to Org, do you think we should policy lynch him in every game he's in until he changes his ways?
So, you want to know why I killed Exkirby? Or well, voted him that led to killing him.
He was bandwagoning. And trying to end the day early. Thats why.
Post by: Eduren on November 27, 2009, 09:10:43 pm
I have already explained this.Yes. I'm not going to WIFOM myself into thinking that "He does this every time", because then he'd just continue to lurk in every single game he's in because if he did anything else, we'd think he's scum.I understand that but it doesn't stop you from looking scummy.
He needs to conform to OUR standards, not the other way around.
So if you understand why I'm voting him (He lurks), why exactly do I look scummy?
You are putting your vote on a neutral person and lurkerhunting. This smacks of scum trying to blend into the background.
Alex, why were you spreading WIFOM when you were talking aboutConfusing me with bulborish are we?Edurenbulborish and Org possibly being masons?
Reading is tech.
Post by: Mr.Person on November 27, 2009, 09:20:55 pm
Mr. Person,
With regards to Org, do you think we should policy lynch him in every game he's in until he changes his ways?
No, who said anything about policy lynching him? I will continue to vote Org as long as he continues to act scummy. Yes, lurking is scummy, so I'll continue to vote him as long as he lurks. I have no qualms with this.
Org, one question. What made you think Alexhans was scum when you originally voted him?
Post by: Mr.Person on November 27, 2009, 09:29:39 pm
I have already explained this.Yes. I'm not going to WIFOM myself into thinking that "He does this every time", because then he'd just continue to lurk in every single game he's in because if he did anything else, we'd think he's scum.I understand that but it doesn't stop you from looking scummy.
He needs to conform to OUR standards, not the other way around.
So if you understand why I'm voting him (He lurks), why exactly do I look scummy?You are putting your vote on a neutral person and lurkerhunting. This smacks of scum trying to blend into the background.Alex, why were you spreading WIFOM when you were talking aboutConfusing me with bulborish are we?Edurenbulborish and Org possibly being masons?
Reading is tech.
Second off, oops, but you weren't really the focus of my statement directed at Alexhans, so no biggie.
More importantly, you're voting me for voting Org? Why? You think Org is town? Say so. Don't hide your thoughts, say them outright. You're not sure of Org's alignment? That's probably because he was lurking, but there's plenty of info on Org to see his alignment now. Ask him questions, he's more than willing to answer them now. He's not lurking, which is great.
What exactly is scummy about thinking Org is scum based on the fact he was voting Alexhans with no reasoning? Are you going to argue that Org DID have a reason he posted, because I must have missed it, in that case. There's a reason that's the one and only question I've asked Org so far, it's very important.
Post by: Org on November 27, 2009, 09:33:00 pm
Mainly because of this:Mr. Person,
With regards to Org, do you think we should policy lynch him in every game he's in until he changes his ways?
No, who said anything about policy lynching him? I will continue to vote Org as long as he continues to act scummy. Yes, lurking is scummy, so I'll continue to vote him as long as he lurks. I have no qualms with this.
Org, one question. What made you think Alexhans was scum when you originally voted him?
He was the first to ask about the Stalinist. At first, doesnt sound so scummy, Yanno? But then there is always that he is a Stalinist saying this to almost deflect away him being a Stalinist or whatever. Sure, could just be a normal townie(or Conservative for that matter) asking because it was unexpected. But, I will stick with what I think.
On another note:Alexhans, I did NOT vote for a day extension.
I had reason for voting alexhans, Person.
Post by: Eduren on November 27, 2009, 09:49:26 pm
More importantly, you're voting me for voting Org? Why? You think Org is town? Say so. Don't hide your thoughts, say them outright. You're not sure of Org's alignment? That's probably because he was lurking, but there's plenty of info on Org to see his alignment now. Ask him questions, he's more than willing to answer them now. He's not lurking, which is great.I don't know what alignment Org is because he is acting normally.
What exactly is scummy about thinking Org is scum based on the fact he was voting Alexhans with no reasoning? Are you going to argue that Org DID have a reason he posted, because I must have missed it, in that case. There's a reason that's the one and only question I've asked Org so far, it's very important.
The reason that I thought you are scummy is that you didn't seem to be actively scum hunting, simply active-lurking. You seemed to be putting your vote on Org as a way to seem active since normally we don't lynch Org for being himself; I thought you were capitalizing on this in order to blend into the background. Since then you seem to have followed up your vote and are actually pushing him. This leads me to re-evaluate my suspicions. So Unvote.
Mainly because of this:So you are calling him out for WIFOMing? Because I don't see it that way. He sounded like somebody who wanted discussion about important issues.
He was the first to ask about the Stalinist. At first, doesnt sound so scummy, Yanno? But then there is always that he is a Stalinist saying this to almost deflect away him being a Stalinist or whatever. Sure, could just be a normal townie(or Conservative for that matter) asking because it was unexpected. But, I will stick with what I think.
. . .
Alright, let me theorize for a bit. Would stalinists as a real life group be considered conservative, or liberal? Because if they are liberal (Communism is pretty liberal(However Russian Communism is its own brand of crazy)) then they could be the "Liberal Elite" that we have heard about. Further, giving them an NK may be a stand-in for the vigilante. Any thoughts?
Post by: Org on November 27, 2009, 10:26:16 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on November 27, 2009, 10:36:43 pm
Sounds like a cult to me, although I guess we'd only find out tomorrow if it has 3 members in it.
Post by: Rooster on November 28, 2009, 03:53:45 am
Unvote Frelock
Cult is the LEAST probable thing in LCS mafia and yet you said cult. Why?
Vote Mr. Person
You're acting kinda weird.
You were lurking and now if you will start posting more then your accusations against Org are hypocricy (Is that how you spell that?)
Post by: Leafsnail on November 28, 2009, 04:19:15 am
Free Speech: Mr.Person, Org, MagmaDeath, Kashyyk, Rooster [5]
Vote count (Do it for Marion!):
Rooster: Alexhans [1]
Alexhans: Org, MagmaDeath [2]
Org: Mr.Person [1]
MagmaDeath: Kashyyk [1]
Mr.Person: Rooster [1]
Teams:
Liberals: 5
Conservatives: 2
Stalinists: 2
Super-Mutant: 0
I'll be on holiday over the weekend (not for very long though) so I won't give another votecount for a little while.
Post by: Alexhans on November 28, 2009, 03:37:40 pm
I have no time right now... So i'm just going to make Mr.Person's waggon a reality... Rooster answers satisfy me enough to change.
unvote, Vote Mr.Person
I'll come tomorrow and post about everything. I'm glad there's more activity.
Post by: Mr.Person on November 28, 2009, 04:30:13 pm
What 3 members? I thought convert roles are very powerfull.
Unvote Frelock
Cult is the LEAST probable thing in LCS mafia and yet you said cult. Why?
Vote Mr. Person
You're acting kinda weird.
You were lurking and now if you will start posting more then your accusations against Org are hypocricy (Is that how you spell that?)
What makes you think a cult is impossible? Sure, it's not guaranteed, but it sounds likely enough for me. How is a cult strange for LCS? What do you think the Liberal Crime Squad IS?
Post by: Rooster on November 28, 2009, 07:00:40 pm
Even IF the conservatises and liberals, but not stalinists should have ability to convert.
Seriously, how overpowered for stalinists THAT would be?
Post by: Mr.Person on November 28, 2009, 07:16:16 pm
Post by: Rooster on November 29, 2009, 06:22:36 am
Dude you want to lynch Org for lurking? Yeah I know he's an idiot for doing that but unless we face a lylo then lynching Org is like fifty-fifty chance.
He's a null tell, and a null tell is almost scum tell ...
Is there anything I should know about Org that I don't see now?
Post by: ExKirby on November 29, 2009, 06:28:47 am
Alexhans, on my list of what you did wrong, I said false FACTS-with an F!
Post by: Rooster on November 29, 2009, 12:59:04 pm
Post by: ExKirby on November 29, 2009, 03:58:37 pm
Post by: Frelock on November 29, 2009, 09:44:39 pm
Now, with reguards to the cult idea for the Stalinists, I see no evidence supporting this supposition. There were two stalinists yesterday, and two still today. If they were a cult, I would think they would attempt to get as many supporters as possible in the beginning, rather than waiting for the end.
Also, a cult that could convert and kill which no-one knew existed at the start of the game, which begins with 2 people seems way overpowered to be in a game like this. Sure, there could be some restrictions (like they can only convert at liberal free speech or something), but it doesn't seem likely.
His former lurkiness, combined with the fact that he voted for cerfews(of all things) day 1 add support to the idea that he may be scum. The day may end tomorrow, and I really don't think a no lynch is a good idea at this point. So, there's that with the current tie between him and Alex, and of the two, I have to say that Mr. Person is more likely to be scum.
Post by: Mr.Person on November 29, 2009, 10:46:18 pm
True, and town can't either at this point, so it's acceptable blah.
Now, with reguards to the cult idea for the Stalinists, I see no evidence supporting this supposition. There were two stalinists yesterday, and two still today. If they were a cult, I would think they would attempt to get as many supporters as possible in the beginning, rather than waiting for the end.
Also, a cult that could convert and kill which no-one knew existed at the start of the game, which begins with 2 people seems way overpowered to be in a game like this. Sure, there could be some restrictions (like they can only convert at liberal free speech or something), but it doesn't seem likely.
His former lurkiness, combined with the fact that he voted for cerfews(of all things) day 1 add support to the idea that he may be scum. The day may end tomorrow, and I really don't think a no lynch is a good idea at this point. So, there's that with the current tie between him and Alex, and of the two, I have to say that Mr. Person is more likely to be scum.
Really? You're going to make it THAT obvious you're scum? So you're voting me because I wasn't the most active player yesterday? Why are you not attacking Org for the same reason? Why not MagmaDeath?
Why is Alexhans scum to you, Frelock? You never mentioned that, and your post sounds a lot like you would vote for him if I wasn't in the game.
Why are you boxing yourself into a "this or that" statement? You can vote people other than me or Alex, yet you refuse to do so. You claim you're worried about the day ending with a no lynch result, but why are you letting that stop you from looking for scum? Oh I know, here's a hint: It's curfews.
And now Curfews is biting us in the ass. I STILL think that Curfews was a good choice, but nobody listened to me. Curfews is forcing us into short days that cut the conversation short. Some of the other stuff helps the town when made liberal, but Curfews is the only one that's truly anti-town at conservative.
So then, unvote Org and vote Frelock. Why are you choosing to bandwagon instead of actively looking for scum? Why are you choosing to attack me for lurking when I was far from the only lurker and am currently not lurking at all?
Oh, I missed the n1 count of players. Alright, yeah, no cult then.
Post by: Frelock on November 30, 2009, 01:11:15 am
Really? You're going to make it THAT obvious you're scum? So you're voting me because I wasn't the most active player yesterday? Why are you not attacking Org for the same reason? Why not MagmaDeath?Alright, answers to all of your questions/statements.
Why is Alexhans scum to you, Frelock? You never mentioned that, and your post sounds a lot like you would vote for him if I wasn't in the game.
Why are you boxing yourself into a "this or that" statement? You can vote people other than me or Alex, yet you refuse to do so. You claim you're worried about the day ending with a no lynch result, but why are you letting that stop you from looking for scum? Oh I know, here's a hint: It's curfews.
And now Curfews is biting us in the ass. I STILL think that Curfews was a good choice, but nobody listened to me. Curfews is forcing us into short days that cut the conversation short. Some of the other stuff helps the town when made liberal, but Curfews is the only one that's truly anti-town at conservative.
So then, unvote Org and vote Frelock. Why are you choosing to bandwagon instead of actively looking for scum? Why are you choosing to attack me for lurking when I was far from the only lurker and am currently not lurking at all?
Oh, I missed the n1 count of players. Alright, yeah, no cult then.
1. I'm not voting you only because you were not the most active person yesterday. If I were doing that, I should indeed vote for someone who has continued to lurk. Magmadeath, org, and bulborish would be higher on my list of suspicions in that case. However, lurking yesterday does not help your case in my eyes.
2. I do not believe that Alex is scum; I don't know where you got that idea. On the contrary, I have gotten town vibes from him this entire game. He's acting in a very similar manner to how he acted in Bay12 mafia, and gets angry for reasons only a townie would be angry at. By saying "of the two, I have to say that Mr.Person is more likely to be scum," I mean that I do not think it likely that Alex is scum, and therefore it is more likely that you are scum.
3. I am boxing myself into a "this or that" statement because there was a tie in the votes between you and Alex. I don't think a No Lynch is a good idea, and I don't think that lynching Alex is a good idea. The remaining option, as of now, is lynching you. If Eduren or Bulborish come in and vote for someone whom I think more likely to be scum, say Magmadeath (who has lurked, jumped on the Alexhans bandwagon behind Org for little to no reason, and hasn't said much since), and I get online in time, I will change my vote. I don't want to have the situation where no-one else comes on in time, and the town's chance at a lynch is lost.
4. Liberalizing cerfews is indeed a good thing, I'll agree. It would be nice if all the issues were liberalized, but we have to do it one at a time. I believe that the stalinists did not vote for transparency; their greatest advantage would have been in secrecy. Therefore, you fit the profile of a stalinist, as it were.
5. I'm not bandwaggoning, I'm hammering. If I were bandwaggoning, I would go after whom I feel is a better player, namely Alexhans (no offense meant). If a situation arises where there is a more scummy person to hammer(looking at magmadeath and possibly Org), I will hammer them.
Post by: Mr.Person on November 30, 2009, 02:30:41 am
If you're really more sure about MagmaDeath, why don't you vote him? If you make the case well enough, people will switch. There's still time left in the day, you act like you're ending it.
Oh, and we badly need a vote count.
Post by: ExKirby on November 30, 2009, 02:41:06 am
Free Speech: Mr.Person, Org, MagmaDeath, Kashyyk, Rooster [5]
Vote count (Do it for Me!):
Alexhans: Org, MagmaDeath [2]
Frelock: Mr.Person [1]
MagmaDeath: Kashyyk [1]
Mr.Person: Rooster, Alexhans, Frelock [3]
Teams:
Liberals: 5
Conservatives: 2
Stalinists: 2
Super-Mutant: 0
I might as well. This is getting exiting.
Post by: Alexhans on November 30, 2009, 07:52:24 am
Quote
End of your post: You're so Pro-Town that it's suspicious to vote pro-town player no?This is awful. Pro-town doesn't mean town. But you need to give decent reasons to vote any player. If you don't have them, you can't go for too-townie.
Quote from: rooster
Unless I misunderstood Org and Magma Death were slaughtered for voting you no?I slaughered them. And If someone else did, they must have their reasons. Do you agree/disagree with those reasons? It all comes down to you making up your mind and explaining why someone is scummy if you vote for them.
Quote from: rooster
A question arises: Are you scum? Because if you are then you're dangerous and therefore someone to lynch, but if you're town then that would be such a huge mistake that would cost the town the game.If I was scum. I wouldn't tell you. Saying that I would be both a benefit and a danger as town or scum respectively doesn't change anything. You need to look at things that would make me scum or town (tells) instead.
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Quote from: Magmadeath
How exactly do you know his role? You are apperently a town aligned role cop who is day kill immune... Yeah right. More like you had help from one of your mafiesto friends, then forgot that you weren't supposed to know that.Who said I knew his role??? Isn't this the worst kind of rolefishing?
Note that I said the word: "PROBABLY"... ergo, I don't know. I just suspect.
Quote from: magmadeath
Kashyyk: Not really surelol... explain where did I lead the town much more than dakarian or anyone else did? How are you not leading the town by voting me? Define a bit more this "leading" and why is it scummy.
Mr.Person: Lurky possible scum.
Org: This looks like town Org to me, though he has an eternal null tell. We probably shouldn't bother going after him, though we should keep an eye out.
Eduren: Lurky, Possible scum.
Alexhans: Trying to lead the town around, directing who they vote for. Scum.
Bulborish: Lurky possible scum
Frelock: Probably not scum
Rooster: Probably not scum, Just new.
Quote from: magmadeath
So anyone who votes for you is now jumping on a bandwagon? Nice WIFOM there scummy.Dude... You have just proved with this statement that you don't know what the heck are you talking about. Look Wine in front of me (WIFOM) in mafiawiki and read what it means.
Quote from: magmadeath story of day 1's events.
Mainly, ExKirby screwing up with his reasoning for voting you, IE just saying "What darkian said".seriously? :roll:
Everyone jumped on this, and he was lynched.
Quote from: Magmadeath
And? I've looked over some of your previous games and you've never been as angry as this at being voted for. Your super self-preservation instinct, even if you are town is not pro town.THIS IS IMPORTANT. This is where magmadeath is lying. Show me those games please. Wich ones did you read? Links would be nice. Now, if im anti-town, as you imply. Why would you lynch me over other anti-town people like Org, for instance?
Quote from: Alexhans
Do you think the first time I expressed anger was when I was voted? If you dont, why didnt you mention this when Dakarian voted me and I strongly fought him?
Quote from: magmadeath
What? He had voted for you for the same reasons I had, Then backed off. I was much busier then, So I wasn't as active. It had already blown over by the time I got back.I'm curious then... You didn't pursue someone who in your POV did something scummy because it had already "blown over"? If there isn't a waggon to hop on you won't vote someone? nice.
Quote from: magmadeath
In case you didn't read the rest of the post. Its impossible to PM, And Alexhans is apperently Day-Kill immune and knows Orgs role. What do you think the likely hood of us having a daykill immune role cop is? Think about it.lol... look who's "directing" the town now... :roll: . Stop rolefishing. I'm not a cop. I just said what I though about the masons because I believe they're unalligned and based on their posts, I suspect who they are.
Besides, what would the benefit of revealing my scum-info be? IF i knew their roles, I wouldn't say it. It's basic and it's stupid. You can't pretend I'm smart and stupid at the same time to push my lynch.
Eduren. I love you. XD keep at it.
Quote from: Mr.PErson
He needs to conform to OUR standards, not the other way around.nobody plays the same. Some people play awfully wrong and we have to try to read them anyway.
Quote from: Mr.Person
Alex, why were you spreading WIFOM when you were talking about Eduren and Org possibly being masons? If they were masons, even though they're unconfirmed, it's still probably best for the pair to both assume the other is townARGH!!! PEople need to stop using WIFOM for everything when it's NOT! I'm just trying to make the masons (whoever they are) aware of that fact.
Quote from: Mr.Person
Yeah, but mason pairs are MORE THAN LIKELY to be town. Don't WIFOMBullshit. Why are they more likely town? Do you know what a "sleeper" is? in this game with infiltrations I'd assume that it's not. HOw is what I say WIFOM and not what you say WIFOM? why are you right?
Quote from: Mr.Person
More importantly, you're voting me for voting Org? Why? You think Org is town? Say so. Don't hide your thoughts, say them outright. You're not sure of Org's alignment? That's probably because he was lurking, but there's plenty of info on Org to see his alignment now. Ask him questions, he's more than willing to answer them now. He's not lurking, which is great.Mr.P is right about this. Org is still painfully hard to read and should not be left alone. He has shown that he wont willingly help town so you have to push him all the time to get an answer (and you might not even get one)
Quote from: Org
He (Alexhans) was the first to ask about the Stalinist. At first, doesnt sound so scummy, Yanno? But then there is always that he is a Stalinist saying this to almost deflect away him being a Stalinist or whatever.Dude... that logic is flawed and stupid. I showed I was the only one paying attention to the game instead of just posting to vote an obv issue.
And you never tried to scumhunt. You just accused me of being stalinist and voted me. Then screamed in teen rage at every question i directed at you.
Oh god... eduren? You too? WIFOM is not that! anyway... I'll think about your ELite liberal theory.
Cult is theoretically possible. Start with one cult leader. Now there's 2 people. If they try to convert mafia, they lose... But it would be too swingy and anti-town.
Quote from: Rooster
Maybe Stalinists are in fact a cult and your subconscious mind wants to inform us of that?ok. This is the same bullshit argument Org used against me. neither of both, mrperson and me are stupid. As scum, we dont reveal our info.
Quote from: rooster
Dude you want to lynch Org for lurking? Yeah I know he's an idiot for doing that but unless we face a lylo then lynching Org is like fifty-fifty chance.So you plan to ignore him because he sucks? Try to read him, insted. There must be differences between Org-town and Org-scum.
He's a null tell, and a null tell is almost scum tell ...
Well, it's not like the scum can make anything from it.Dude... you shouldn't post it anyway. You *could* influence people or someone could use it to prove a point where they had previously not noticed it. Anyway, it's not really important. You still suck for killing me. :O
I need to go to a lecture. When I come back I'll read the last 3 or so posts I'm missing. (Mrperson's frelock's)
WHERE THE HELL IS BULBORISH!! PROD HIM!
Post by: Rooster on November 30, 2009, 09:10:32 am
And I thought there were more players alive than this 5
(Frelock,Alexhans,Mr Person, Org, and Me)
So, yeah drink your coffees and play this to the end.
Post by: ExKirby on November 30, 2009, 11:44:28 am
Hey, I'm becoming a sub-mod!
Post by: Leafsnail on November 30, 2009, 11:57:19 am
...Although your votecount was right. Meh.
Deadline is going to be:
- Non negotiable tomorrow or
- Negotiable tomorrow or
- Whenever someone gets 5 votes on them
Post by: Alexhans on November 30, 2009, 12:03:40 pm
It will be clear which mafia group or role killed someone in the night.
Knowing that there are 2 groups this may help us to find them.
free pm-ing will only help us if there is a cleared townie...
vote accountability
I don't know if it's the right time but I vote for day extension if it's possible.
Post by: Kashyyk on November 30, 2009, 01:37:05 pm
I want to write a long, content filled post, but I don't have anything to write about!
But anyway, I voted Free Speech as those people with specific roles (cop for example) would then be able to assemble a town base.
Post by: Frelock on November 30, 2009, 03:08:36 pm
In any case, I was in the same boat as Exkirby when I voted for you, Mr. Person, I thought the deadline was today. Therefore, I will go with my hunch, and vote Magmadeath for lurking d1 and these past 3 days, along with generally poor logic and mis-interpritations when attacking Alexhans, combined with jumping behind Org with little reasoning at the time.
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 30, 2009, 03:32:02 pm
I have another reason for voting Alexhans, which I am not inclined to share as of yet.
Now, remember that Lynching Alexhans will get rid of one Mafiesto, and hopefully reveal more. More later.
Post by: Alexhans on November 30, 2009, 03:42:00 pm
I'll just quote the post where magmadeath voted me:
Really Alexhands You should die. Looking at what you've done so far, You're way too pissed off, then you looked back on how angry you seemed and posted something to try to negate that tell. You seem like scum to me, sorry to say. Where does your 4 town, 4 scum come from? We have 5 town, 4 scum, and you seem to have ignored your fact in your anger that we found you out. You are scum, either Conservative or Stalinist, And now that we suspect you, your posts have gotten more and more frantic. Have anything else to say Mr. Scum?and now his last post:
Frelock, First off, you didn't unvote, so you should if you actually want to lynch me.It's funny how you didn't imply any of this reasons in your previous posts....
I have another reason for voting Alexhans, which I am not inclined to share as of yet.
Now, remember that Lynching Alexhans will get rid of one Mafiesto, and hopefully reveal more. More later.
Soft-bs-claims do not work here. If you can't reveal more today then shut your mouth because I'm not scum and lynching me definetly won't get rid of a mafioso. If you're town I advice you to analize your "extra reason" with good care and decide if you need to post it.
Also, I want you to perform an exercise. Assume I'm town. Who's scum? why? (forget I'm even playing if you want).
Post by: ExKirby on November 30, 2009, 03:43:54 pm
Free Speech: Mr.Person, Org, MagmaDeath, Kashyyk, Rooster [5]
Accountability: Alexhans [1]
Vote count (Do it for Me!):
Alexhans: Org, MagmaDeath [2]
Frelock: Mr.Person [1]
MagmaDeath: Kashyyk, Frelock [2]
Mr.Person: Rooster, Alexhans [2]
Teams:
Liberals: 5
Conservatives: 2
Stalinists: 2
Super-Mutant: 0
I assume I got everything right?
EDIT-Thanks for pointing that out, Alex.
Post by: Frelock on November 30, 2009, 04:35:24 pm
Frelock, First off, you didn't unvote, so you should if you actually want to lynch me.
I have another reason for voting Alexhans, which I am not inclined to share as of yet.
Magmadeath, first off, unvoting isn't really necessary in a game where you only have one vote; the mod knows I mean to unvote Mr.Person and vote you.
Secondly, you've just forced me to keep my vote you. I'm neigh-certain that Alex is town, and the idea that you have some "extra info" implies one of two things:
1. You're a stupid cop who trusts their results too fully.
2. You're making it up.
Now, if it's 1, then we can lynch you, and find out if your results are accurate or not. If they are accurate, we can then lynch Alexhans tomorrow with little trouble. If, as I suspect, it's 2, then we should lynch you for lying.
Post by: Rooster on November 30, 2009, 05:07:15 pm
I heard it's a common tactic:
A accuses B
A gets lynched.
A turns out town (or cop townie)
B gets lynched
Omg B turns out town
Scum wins the game.
Seriously I see how that might actualy work, but now Frelock, you're FoS'ed
Lynching two arguing people at this point in the game wouldn't do much good.
Are you seeing scum here or are you lazy now?
Post by: Rooster on November 30, 2009, 05:11:04 pm
Or when it's evening (I guess) I'll be at school, so don't be surprised when I'm not here, when I would really love to be.
(GMT +1 here)
When I was asking for deadline I ment actual hour.
Sorry If I'm annoying or something right now
Post by: Frelock on November 30, 2009, 05:24:12 pm
Another common tactic:
A accuses B
People learn that his accusation doesn't really hold water
A claims cop
B is lynched
B turns up town
A claims paranoid to cover-up his deceit.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 30, 2009, 05:43:26 pm
Post by: Rooster on November 30, 2009, 05:52:27 pm
Post by: Rooster on November 30, 2009, 05:54:58 pm
Post by: Frelock on December 01, 2009, 12:44:13 am
Post by: bulborbish on December 01, 2009, 05:15:30 am
Post by: Leafsnail on December 01, 2009, 10:36:36 am
Post by: Shades on December 01, 2009, 10:40:52 am
I'll re-read the thread and post once I get my role :)
Post by: Leafsnail on December 01, 2009, 10:41:59 am
Post by: Shades on December 01, 2009, 02:47:56 pm
I'll vote Curfews, I think this is more useful than accountability or free speech.
Accountability might get us more information but I think more time is better. Free speech would allow the unconfirmed masons to talk but as they are unconfirmed one of them is probably scum anyway.
I understand that Curfews might already be liberalised because it's hidden we can't tell, however an extension has been requested so if we get it I can change my vote and if we don't then my vote is in the right place.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 01, 2009, 02:48:54 pm
Free Speech: Mr.Person, Org, MagmaDeath, Kashyyk, Rooster [5]
Accountability: Alexhans [1]
Curfews: Shades
Vote count:
Alexhans: Org, MagmaDeath [2]
Frelock: Mr.Person [1]
MagmaDeath: Kashyyk, Frelock, Shades [3]
Mr.Person: Rooster, Alexhans [2]
Teams:
Liberals: 5
Conservatives: 2
Stalinists: 2
Super-Mutant: 0
Day may be about to end... nah, I'll give it an extra 24 hours (with possible extensions/ hammers) due to sudden replacement.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 01, 2009, 03:55:27 pm
Well, I might as well explain it...
I seriously screwed up and gave myself away already by stating that I had that other reason...
I am a cop, And Alexhans was scum when I investigated him. With only 9 people, and 4 of them being scum, I think the chance of me getting a miller is pretty low, and therefore he should be lynched.
Post by: Rooster on December 01, 2009, 05:00:00 pm
I mean russian poker.
Unvote
And...
Vote Magma Death
Nobody is that stupid to claim cop day 2. Do you still say that you are one?
Do you want to live and still claim cop? Because what Frelock said (LYNCH ALL LIARS RULE!!!)
makes a lot of sense. The only way to believe you, is to roleflip you.
Unvote
Vote Roleflips
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Eduren on December 01, 2009, 05:02:48 pm
Rooster: Roleflips is already liberalized
Post by: Leafsnail on December 01, 2009, 05:07:25 pm
Post by: Rooster on December 01, 2009, 05:38:10 pm
Post by: Shades on December 01, 2009, 05:47:49 pm
Wait, Its another 24 hours before we see if it extends, Or another 24 hours before it ends?
Well, I might as well explain it...
I seriously screwed up and gave myself away already by stating that I had that other reason...
I am a cop, And Alexhans was scum when I investigated him. With only 9 people, and 4 of them being scum, I think the chance of me getting a miller is pretty low, and therefore he should be lynched.
Unvote and vote Alexhans.
I don't know who to believe out of the two of them, I'm sure Alexhans will claim MagmaDeath is lieing but I'd rather not lynch someone who claims to be a cop when I'm only convinced otherwise.
I agree with you Rooster that a cop shouldn't claim so early but if he made a mistake it's worth while to stop us wasting a lynch on him. And lets face it Alexhans is good enough at these games to seem town when not being.
Post by: Frelock on December 01, 2009, 06:11:41 pm
Don't just let what a person claims push you towards one side or another; people will sometimes claim a useful role to keep from being lynched. I still believe that Magmadeath is lying through his teeth.
Post by: Alexhans on December 01, 2009, 06:59:41 pm
I want to write a long, content filled post, but I don't have anything to write about!Seriously? Nothing happened that would call for your comments? Who are you voting? Why aren't you further questioning your votee at least?
Frelock. It might matter who killed whom based on the day's events.
What I dont get is...
Magma posts this at the beginning of day 2.
Yeah, a day extension would work for figuring that out.I post this (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=44563.msg887862#msg887862):
Free speech seems to be our best choice now.
I FoS him in there because he posted everywhere else but not here.
Then comes this post without any breadcrumb or anything.
Really Alexhands You should die. Looking at what you've done so far, You're way too pissed off, then you looked back on how angry you seemed and posted something to try to negate that tell. You seem like scum to me, sorry to say. Where does your 4 town, 4 scum come from? We have 5 town, 4 scum, and you seem to have ignored your fact in your anger that we found you out. You are scum, either Conservative or Stalinist, And now that we suspect you, your posts have gotten more and more frantic. Have anything else to say Mr. Scum?He keeps saying I'm scum because I was angry.
Quote from: magmadeath posted this when I said I suspected Org's role
How exactly do you know his role? You are apperently a town aligned role cop who is day kill immune... Yeah right. More like you had help from one of your mafiesto friends, then forgot that you weren't supposed to know that.Why would he say I was a role cop if he himself was a cop?
Magmadeath has BLATANTLY avoided this:
Quote from: Alexhans
I STILL Want an answer for it. I think you're lying about this.Quote from: MagmadeathAnd? I've looked over some of your previous games and you've never been as angry as this at being voted for. Your super self-preservation instinct, even if you are town is not pro town.THIS IS IMPORTANT. This is where magmadeath is lying. Show me those games please. Wich ones did you read? Links would be nice. Now, if im anti-town, as you imply. Why would you lynch me over other anti-town people like Org, for instance?
I am a cop, And Alexhans was scum when I investigated him. With only 9 people, and 4 of them being scum, I think the chance of me getting a miller is pretty low, and therefore he should be lynched.Who the heck says I'm a miller? Why didn't you ever considered the possibility of being paranoid or insane? Your bs claim with your bs reasons aren't helping. As far as scummyness goes, you should be lynched before me and if you die and we get to see the type of sanity you have, then we could lynch me (If I were scum and you were sane, it should work).
shades... how do you go from this :
I would like MagmaDeath to explain his reason on Alexhans, you said you don't want to share but expect people to trust you on that? I'll agree Alexhans is ranty and annoying in this game but I don't feel he's scum myself.to this?:
Quote
I agree with you Rooster that a cop shouldn't claim so early but if he made a mistake it's worth while to stop us wasting a lynch on him. And lets face it Alexhans is good enough at these games to seem town when not being.using my experience as an excuse to lynch me is scummy and the worst reason you could use.
and now you vote me because you think that one of us must be lying... Dude... we can be both telling the truth... and that would mean insta-loss for town.
I don't think we must lynch Magmadeath at this point. If he is insane, the result might come handy and he may still be a menace to scum. If he is scum, he will need to give us his new inspection tomorrow. . There's 3 more around.
We must lynch Mr.Person who has hid again in a safety land while magma makes a mess out of himself and is about to get lynched or to mislynch me. We are very close to losing this game unless we get lucky with crosskills. Let's lynch scum. Mr.Person has been mild and jumped only on the obv anti-town player but when he got attacked, defended himself a bit and dissapeared when another topic came in the way. He is voting Frelock when no one has any intention to do so. Despite the lack of interest in a Frelock lynch, he doesn't try to convince others to vote him. He is confortable with letting magma or me lynched, apparently.
We need more from eduren and shades. More about what they think of the rest of the players. We need more from Kashyyk and Mr.Person.
Org needs to say something useful for once.
I hope you guys realize for the future that lurkers are safe in this game. You guys make the same mistake you always do... Go for the active, leave the lurkers alone. Now you have nothing on the lurkers and it's deadline...
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 07:09:23 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 01, 2009, 07:12:12 pm
I'm pretty sure the scum would have capitalized on that and killed me.
Now I at least have a chance to live, rather then what I had before, Which was around a 90% chance of being lynched, along with a large chance of being Night killed.
At least now I have a slightly better chance to live, and got the info out there.
It also gets rid of one of the scum, While It keeps you from wasting a lynch on me.
Though I'll still likely be role-blocked or killed, Its fine if it gets rid of one of them, as the two groups will likely also be killing each other off, as well as the town.
And... I'm going to go find those games
Post by: Alexhans on December 01, 2009, 07:15:20 pm
Read my post and comment on it. Stop failing or just vote yourself if you intend to do it. I'm not gonna fall for your stupidity.
Org... You're not fit to play mafia. Clearly.
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 07:15:41 pm
magmadeath... Answer my fucking questions, please...I did what you said.
Read my frigging post and comment on it. Stop failing or just vote yourself if you intend to do it. I'm not gonna fall for your stupidity.
Org... You're not fit to play mafia. Clearly.
Post by: Alexhans on December 01, 2009, 07:18:26 pm
anyway... I toned down the post but Org already quoted it so... Excessive stupidity in mafia is making me wanna quit mafia in b12 unless it's an invitational or lurkers get inmediatly modkilled.
Post by: Alexhans on December 01, 2009, 07:20:38 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on December 01, 2009, 07:24:20 pm
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 07:28:42 pm
Org... why do you even join?Alexhans, Alexhans, Alexhans.
anyway... I toned down the post but Org already quoted it so... Excessive stupidity in mafia is making me wanna quit mafia in b12 unless it's an invitational or lurkers get inmediatly modkilled.
You say I am the whiny little kid. If you looked at yourself for five seconds, all you see is a whiny, little kid. You see, like you so tried to play mind games earlier, I am just getting on your nerves. Why did you join mafia?
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 01, 2009, 07:39:57 pm
What I dont get is...Because there could be more then one cop?
Magma posts this at the beginning of day 2.Yeah, a day extension would work for figuring that out.I post this (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=44563.msg887862#msg887862):
Free speech seems to be our best choice now.
I FoS him in there because he posted everywhere else but not here.
Then comes this post without any breadcrumb or anything.Really Alexhands You should die. Looking at what you've done so far, You're way too pissed off, then you looked back on how angry you seemed and posted something to try to negate that tell. You seem like scum to me, sorry to say. Where does your 4 town, 4 scum come from? We have 5 town, 4 scum, and you seem to have ignored your fact in your anger that we found you out. You are scum, either Conservative or Stalinist, And now that we suspect you, your posts have gotten more and more frantic. Have anything else to say Mr. Scum?He keeps saying I'm scum because I was angry.Quote from: magmadeath posted this when I said I suspected Org's roleHow exactly do you know his role? You are apperently a town aligned role cop who is day kill immune... Yeah right. More like you had help from one of your mafiesto friends, then forgot that you weren't supposed to know that.Why would he say I was a role cop if he himself was a cop?
Magmadeath has BLATANTLY avoided this:Links will take awhile, Trawling through 177 pages of posts to find the mafias your were in isn't fun.Quote from: AlexhansI STILL Want an answer for it. I think you're lying about this.Quote from: MagmadeathAnd? I've looked over some of your previous games and you've never been as angry as this at being voted for. Your super self-preservation instinct, even if you are town is not pro town.THIS IS IMPORTANT. This is where magmadeath is lying. Show me those games please. Wich ones did you read? Links would be nice. Now, if im anti-town, as you imply. Why would you lynch me over other anti-town people like Org, for instance?
Well, here's the first I found.
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=35306.75-Very bastardized, and scant on content so it's not one of the good ones.
I am a cop, And Alexhans was scum when I investigated him. With only 9 people, and 4 of them being scum, I think the chance of me getting a miller is pretty low, and therefore he should be lynched.Who the heck says I'm a miller? Why didn't you ever considered the possibility of being paranoid or insane? Your bs claim with your bs reasons aren't helping. As far as scummyness goes, you should be lynched before me and if you die and we get to see the type of sanity you have, then we could lynch me (If I were scum and you were sane, it should work).
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Well, we could do that but it would waste a lynch, and a townie. By that time we could have as few as 2 townies left, And three scum. See how that works?
And I actually never thought of being paranoid or insane. Still.
I don't think we must lynch Magmadeath at this point. If he is insane, the result might come handy and he may still be a menace to scum. If he is scum, he will need to give us his new inspection tomorrow. . There's 3 more around.Yes, there are. If I'm not roleblocked, or killed, I might still be useful.
We must lynch Mr.Person who has hid again in a safety land while magma makes a mess out of himself and is about to get lynched or to mislynch me. We are very close to losing this game unless we get lucky with crosskills. Let's lynch scum. Mr.Person has been mild and jumped only on the obv anti-town player but when he got attacked, defended himself a bit and dissapeared when another topic came in the way. He is voting Frelock when no one has any intention to do so. Despite the lack of interest in a Frelock lynch, he doesn't try to convince others to vote him. He is confortable with letting magma or me lynched, apparently.That is true.
We need more from eduren and shades. More about what they think of the rest of the players. We need more from Kashyyk and Mr.Person.I agree with you there
Org needs to say something useful for once.Well, he does from time to time.
I hope you guys realize for the future that lurkers are safe in this game. You guys make the same mistake you always do... Go for the active, leave the lurkers alone. Now you have nothing on the lurkers and it's deadline...Well, Lynching all lurkers isn't really a good policy.
Good scum usually are up there directing the towns investigation, like you are.
Post by: Alexhans on December 01, 2009, 07:40:52 pm
@Alexhans: You can't have it both ways, do you think MagmaDeath is lying or do you think he's an insane cop?He is lying about the fact that he read my games and analized them.
He can be a cop.
by the way... Hello Mr.Person... Anything you want to add? comments to my post?
Org... Anytime, anywhere... I beat you to any mind game you want. I try to be emotionally agressive so people get involved in the game. As you might see, this attitude only applies to mafia games wich I usually perform good at. I have a decent reputation. You on the other hand... are zwets. If you don't know what is that... You can't talk to me. Because you know nothing.
Post by: Alexhans on December 01, 2009, 07:55:13 pm
Quote from: magma
Links will take awhile, Trawling through 177 pages of posts to find the mafias your were in isn't fun.I thought you had ALREADY READ THOSE... ::)
Quote from: magma
And? I've looked over some of your previous games and you've never been as angry as this at being voted for. Your super self-preservation instinct, even if you are town is not pro town.Dude... Admit that you made it up because you're tunnelvisioning. You never considered the possibility of me being town... Imperium mafia is an awful example as I was probably busy over the sunday and monday of may 2009 and then got killed!... 6 months of experience have passed since then... Why did you avoid reading recent games?
Quote from: magma
Well, we could do that but it would waste a lynch, and a townie. By that time we could have as few as 2 townies left, And three scum. See how that works?I hope you get this... I'm town alligned... If you lynch me... You WASTE A LYNCH on a townie. And if we were to analize what would be better...
And I actually never thought of being paranoid or insane. Still.
If you are lynched, I will probably be cleared once we see your sanity (if you're scum I can still be unalligned scum). If I am lynched. You will NOT be cleared and probably lynched depending on what happens tonight.
fuck it... I'm going to go ahead and claim because I dont know how long till deadline...
I FULLY LIBERALIZED ROLEFLIPS!!! I have that ability. After pushing for the best issue on day 1 (and succeeding) I liberalized roleflips to see who would die.
I dare you say I did that as scum.
now, kindly, unvote me and vote mr.person.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 01, 2009, 08:11:40 pm
Yes, I did. I didn't save the one's I found though, So I'll have to find them again.Quote from: magmaLinks will take awhile, Trawling through 177 pages of posts to find the mafias your were in isn't fun.I thought you had ALREADY READ THOSE... ::)
Actually, I didnt. I just picked some random spots in your posts and looked to see if you were posting in a mafia on that page. If you were, I checked it out.Quote from: magmaAnd? I've looked over some of your previous games and you've never been as angry as this at being voted for. Your super self-preservation instinct, even if you are town is not pro town.Dude... Admit that you made it up because you're tunnelvisioning. You never considered the possibility of me being town... Imperium mafia is an awful example as I was probably busy over the sunday and monday of may 2009 and then got killed!... 6 months of experience have passed since then... Why did you avoid reading recent games?
Depending on what happens tonight is the key point there.Quote from: magmaWell, we could do that but it would waste a lynch, and a townie. By that time we could have as few as 2 townies left, And three scum. See how that works?I hope you get this... I'm town alligned... If you lynch me... You WASTE A LYNCH on a townie. And if we were to analize what would be better...
And I actually never thought of being paranoid or insane. Still.
If you are lynched, I will probably be cleared once we see your sanity (if you're scum I can still be unalligned scum). If I am lynched. You will NOT be cleared and probably lynched depending on what happens tonight.
fuck it... I'm going to go ahead and claim because I dont know how long till deadline...I don't say you did it as scum. I don't think you did it at all.
I FULLY LIBERALIZED ROLEFLIPS!!! I have that ability. After pushing for the best issue on day 1 (and succeeding) I liberalized roleflips to see who would die.
I dare you say I did that as scum.
If you did, what would be the point in role claiming such an importent ability?
now, kindly, unvote me and vote mr.person.No thanks, Scummy.
Post by: Alexhans on December 01, 2009, 08:23:41 pm
Quote from: magmadeath of any intelligent analysis
I don't say you did it as scum. I don't think you did it at all.I'm trying to avoid your fail. That you're still voting for me even though all evidence points im town. Why did you claim being a cop??? Because you had to. Well, I have to do this if I want to get Mr.Person lynched. Hopefully, people who are not totally stupid (or scum) will realize this makes me town and vote who they're supposed to be voting.
If you did, what would be the point in role claiming such an importent ability?
Reading your answers, I really hope you're scum. You can't be that stupid as town. You just cant.
Please, if someone wants to claim LIBERALIZING THE ROLEFLIPS do so now...
No one will... because I DID IT. I wont be counter claimed. Because I DID IT.
You call ME scummy? ::) Learn to think.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 01, 2009, 08:31:38 pm
No one will, because that is an incredibly stupid thing to do,Quote from: magmadeath of any intelligent analysisI don't say you did it as scum. I don't think you did it at all.I'm trying to avoid your fail. That you're still voting for me even though all evidence points im town. Why did you claim being a cop??? Because you had to. Well, I have to do this if I want to get Mr.Person lynched. Hopefully, people who are not totally stupid (or scum) will realize this makes me town and vote who they're supposed to be voting.
If you did, what would be the point in role claiming such an importent ability?
Reading your answers, I really hope you're scum. You can't be that stupid as town. You just cant.
Please, if someone wants to claim LIBERALIZING THE ROLEFLIPS do so now...
No one will... because I DID IT. I wont be counter claimed. Because I DID IT.
You call ME scummy? ::) Learn to think.
Unless you're scum, which you seem to be, and fake claim an impotent role, so you want get lynched,
Post by: Alexhans on December 01, 2009, 08:38:19 pm
Magmadeath. It's the same thing as you claiming cop. You mean no one will counter claim if they're the real one? This is stupid.
We need to catch scum... having an ability doesn't really make a difference, specially if you might get killed or lynched soon. If someone can counter claim to find scum. They should. you're applying fake logic to lynch me. Noted.
Post by: Alexhans on December 01, 2009, 08:42:24 pm
Post by: Alexhans on December 01, 2009, 08:48:01 pm
I'll take full responsability for his lynch. Just vote him.
Post by: Eduren on December 01, 2009, 08:49:39 pm
Figuring out the vote count, we are at
Alex 3
Magma 3
Person 2
Seeing as he has not done much since I left him alone, I am willing to lynch Mr. Person. However, I would prefer to break the tie and prevent a no-lynch.
Post by: Alexhans on December 01, 2009, 08:53:33 pm
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 08:54:28 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 01, 2009, 08:55:48 pm
Mr. person
Org: Yes you are
Post by: Alexhans on December 01, 2009, 08:56:26 pm
Yes, you still are. You, magma and shades.
Post by: Eduren on December 01, 2009, 08:57:35 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 01, 2009, 09:00:36 pm
Ill Unvote
And vote for Mr. Person
Looking back on my posts, I did indeed have a bad case of tunnelvision, And my reasoning was rather weak.
The lynch all lurkers policy useally isn't such a good one but hey, Ill go with it this time.
He really is trying to hide away, Thanks for curing my tunnelvision, Though I'm still suspecious.
We'll see what happens, and If he turns out town, I'm probably going to be right back on you.
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 09:02:44 pm
*facepalm* You don't even know who you're voting?Good. GOOD.
Yes, you still are. You, magma and shades.
Post by: Alexhans on December 01, 2009, 09:14:02 pm
Alex: I've told other people, but I prefer my name capitalized. I screwed up when I registered.will do.
Magmadeath. That's fine. I'm glad. We're not lynching Mr.Person for just lurking. We have lots of candidates for that.
About the future... We'll see what you get on your inspection.
I knew you would post something like that. Why don't you go play barbies? Or post comments on yourube?*facepalm* You don't even know who you're voting?Good. GOOD.
Yes, you still are. You, magma and shades.
Post by: Org on December 01, 2009, 09:15:02 pm
Post by: Frelock on December 01, 2009, 11:35:33 pm
If someone seems blatantly scummy during the day, odds are they'll be killed off at night by the other team, assuming both can't win at the same time (and with conservatives vs. stalinists, I don't think they can win together). So, basically, it seems to me that, unless he's protected, magmadeath is dead tonight. Either he's scum and is killed off by the other team, or he's a cop who will be killed off for being such. The best part is, even the scum don't know if Magma is scum, paranoid or sane; to them, Alex could be part of the other group, in which case he could be sane or scum(or both), or Magma could just be a paranoid townie. Anyway you look at it, someone with a night kill will see him as a threat. So he's dead, and tomorrow we'll see his alignment, and his sanity, which may tell us what Alex is.
The only reason I can think of him not being killed is if he is on one scum team, and Alex on the other (which I think highly unlikely). Alex can't risk NK'ing him, or else he's suddenly confirmed scum, and Magma's scum team won't kill it's own member. If Magma's alive tomorrow, then he'll just have to tell us his inspection result and we'll have more to go off of.
With that said, I shall Unvote Magmadeath.
I was going to vote Mr. Person to break the tie here, but then I noticed this post:
GOOd JOB SCUM BUDDY WE GOT THEM NOWOrg, WTF mate? Even saying that jokingly is a good way to get lynched. Are you trying to be decidedly unhelpful, by casting suspicion on yourself? I mean, really?
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 01, 2009, 11:44:06 pm
Alex 2
Magma 2
Mr. Person 4
Org 1
Post by: Frelock on December 01, 2009, 11:53:59 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on December 02, 2009, 12:02:20 am
further proof about Mr.Person... He is trying to ignore. Why? Because he can't afford to fight me. If I am lynched. He will look scummy if he has been fighting with me. That's why he just ignores me and tries to stay out of the spotlight. Town Mr.Person would try to convince me of his honesty if he thought I was town or would bash me with accusations if he thought I was scum.(It's spelled "responsibility")
I'll take full responsability for his lynch. Just vote him.
Dude, I haven't been on the forums for the past 5 hours or so. If you're talking about in general, I'm not sure you're aware of this, but I've greatly cut back how often I post in mafia these days. It's not just this game, it's every game I'm in.
So why would you "take full responsability" for my lynch? What does that even mean? If it means what I think it does (If I get lynched and roleflip town, lynch Alexhans), then you know DAMN WELL how scummy it is to say things like that. Hell, why are you assuming I'm going to get lynched? Not only can everybody change their votes, there's still a few people who have yet to vote. Hell, we may even wind up lynching somebody else. It's unlikely (although with comments like Org's, anything is possible!). There's still a little bit of time left in the day, if Curfews is conservative.
fuck it... I'm going to go ahead and claim because I dont know how long till deadline...
I FULLY LIBERALIZED ROLEFLIPS!!! I have that ability. After pushing for the best issue on day 1 (and succeeding) I liberalized roleflips to see who would die.
I dare you say I did that as scum.
now, kindly, unvote me and vote mr.person.
This isn't Alexhans as town. Hell, this isn't even the Alexhans I remember. Since when do you rely on Power Roles, Alexhans? Do you think this clears you? Do you think Leafsnail wouldn't give the scum the ability to liberalize issues as WIFOM? Why did you wait til the END of the day to claim this? If you were going to claim this, you should of done it at the beginning of the day so that we could discuss, have time for counterclaims, and decide if the rest of us should claim. There's barely any time left in the day for discussing if Alexhans is telling the truth or not, there's not enough time to guarantee a chance of counterclaims, and there's not enough time for an MC even if we wanted to do one (which we don't). No, this is anti-town behavior from you, Alexhans. Unvote and vote Alexhans.
So Alexhans, you're saying you're kill-immune and can liberalize issues? Don't respond to this, of course, unless you want to, but this is what you're claiming your role to be.
Magmadeath. That's fine. I'm glad. We're not lynching Mr.Person for just lurking. We have lots of candidates for that.
I know you've said it before, but what exactly have I done that you're voting me for? Same goes for you, MagmaDeath. Bandwagoning is really bad, there has to be more than just lurking. What happened to Alexhans? Do you still think he's scum? Did you change your mind on hiim? What made you change your vote, exactly?
Post by: Alexhans on December 02, 2009, 12:31:43 am
NEvertheless. You've been ignoring me overall when you attacked Org.further proof about Mr.Person... He is trying to ignore. Why? Because he can't afford to fight me. If I am lynched. He will look scummy if he has been fighting with me. That's why he just ignores me and tries to stay out of the spotlight. Town Mr.Person would try to convince me of his honesty if he thought I was town or would bash me with accusations if he thought I was scum.(It's spelled "responsibility")
I'll take full responsability for his lynch. Just vote him.
Dude, I haven't been on the forums for the past 5 hours or so. If you're talking about in general, I'm not sure you're aware of this, but I've greatly cut back how often I post in mafia these days. It's not just this game, it's every game I'm in.
So why would you "take full responsability" for my lynch? What does that even mean? If it means what I think it does (If I get lynched and roleflip town, lynch Alexhans), then you know DAMN WELL how scummy it is to say things like that.Taking full responsibility means that I will have to fight hell and heaven tomorrow if you flip town. I'd never really quit. But I dont think you will. So I'm betting a lot here. But I rather be wrong and lose than let others be wrong and lose.
Hell, why are you assuming I'm going to get lynched? Not only can everybody change their votes, there's still a few people who have yet to vote. Hell, we may even wind up lynching somebody else.I don't assume anything. I just try hard to get things how I want them to be because I think town can win that way.
fuck it... I'm going to go ahead and claim because I dont know how long till deadline...
I FULLY LIBERALIZED ROLEFLIPS!!! I have that ability. After pushing for the best issue on day 1 (and succeeding) I liberalized roleflips to see who would die.
I dare you say I did that as scum.
now, kindly, unvote me and vote mr.person.
Quote from: Mr.P
This isn't Alexhans as town. Hell, this isn't even the Alexhans I remember. Since when do you rely on Power Roles, Alexhans?How is this relying on PRs... I did not suspect you because I had a PR. I'm just stating the obvious. I liberalized the issue (I even told everyone yesterday how sound Pandarenic's logic regarding the roleflips was) and no one can counter claim. That means I did it. That would be serious bad play from my part if I were scum. It's not WIFOM. It's a fact.
Quote from: Mr.P
Do you think this clears you? Do you think Leafsnail wouldn't give the scum the ability to liberalize issues as WIFOM?It doesn't clear me. But scum wouldn't use it. I wouldn't.
Quote from: Mr.P
Why did you wait til the END of the day to claim this? If you were going to claim this, you should of done it at the beginning of the day so that we could discuss, have time for counterclaims, and decide if the rest of us should claim.There are no counterclaims because I did it. I didn't want to claim it unless I had to because it is an interesting ability that might be countered in some way. I didnt want that. But if I feel that I need it to win the game. I will come all out.
Quote from: Mr.P
There's barely any time left in the day for discussing if Alexhans is telling the truth or not, there's not enough time to guarantee a chance of counterclaims, and there's not enough time for an MC even if we wanted to do one (which we don't).Mr.p... you never participated in any discussions. don't pretend to be eager to do so now that there's no time... There won't be counterclaims even if everyone comes out. Your inability to understand signals that you're scum and desperate to survive.
Quote from: Mr.P
No, this is anti-town behavior from you, Alexhans. Unvote and vote Alexhans.Nice attack near the end. You refuse to see all logic that points I'm town. You are deaf to my claim and pretend that no one will have time to counterclaim so I'm lying... you're the one that is rushing things to make me look bad... you're trying to save your ass. You're scum.
Quote from: Mr.P
So Alexhans, you're saying you're kill-immune and can liberalize issues? Don't respond to this, of course, unless you want to, but this is what you're claiming your role to be.I never claimed my role. I just said I liberalized the issue. The fact that you're trying to lynch me based on whatever you may think of the setup (and at the same time calling WIFOM on me saying im doing the same) makes you a rolefisher scum.
Mr.P... you've ignored my cases on you everytime... You say you were busy but you only appear when you're in danger. Then you hide again. Go read my posts and answer everything you have avoided if you want. But don't pretend I'm voting you for lurking.
MR.Person HAS JUST VOTED ME TO GET A NOLYNCH. IF HE LYNCHES MAGMA HIS FLIP MIGHT CLEAR ME. THATS WHY HE WANTS TO NOLYNCH OR TO LYNCH ME
THIS IS THE VOTECOUNT
Vote count:
Alexhans: Org, Shades, Mr.Person[3]
MagmaDeath: Kashyyk, Frelock, Rooster[3]
Mr.Person:Alexhans, eduren, magma[3]
last votes sice MOD's votecount
rooster-> magma,
shades-> alex
eduren-> mrp
magma-> mrp
frelock-> org, magma
Shades was voting me because of magma's claim. This is outdated. he should vote mrp. Org is not even trying to play. I hope he gets killed. Frelock needs to untie this. Kashyyk needs to appear and post his thoughts. I'd love to hear from rooster too.
Post by: Frelock on December 02, 2009, 12:53:07 am
Magma, one last thing; what, exactly, was the result you got on Alexhans? I'm sure it didn't just say "scum."
Post by: Alexhans on December 02, 2009, 01:08:06 am
Alex, only responding to your statement in bold (I'm mostly in agreement with you as to the other points), how would magma's death clear you? He claimed you to be scum. The only way that clears you is if he's insane (ie, town gets scum result, scum gets town result).I'm assuming that if magma flips town (if he is scum, I'm not cleared) that his role will be revealed... and that it will show that he was not sane. You're right, though, if he is paranoid I wont be cleared. But all the arguments some people (like shades) have will fall flat on their face.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 02, 2009, 01:32:51 am
So why would you "take full responsability" for my lynch? What does that even mean? If it means what I think it does (If I get lynched and roleflip town, lynch Alexhans), then you know DAMN WELL how scummy it is to say things like that.Taking full responsibility means that I will have to fight hell and heaven tomorrow if you flip town. I'd never really quit. But I dont think you will. So I'm betting a lot here. But I rather be wrong and lose than let others be wrong and lose.
So you're saying that you're willing to fight tomorrow if I get lynched and flip town? That's nice, if somewhat stupid. Why are you saying this?
Hell, why are you assuming I'm going to get lynched? Not only can everybody change their votes, there's still a few people who have yet to vote. Hell, we may even wind up lynching somebody else.I don't assume anything. I just try hard to get things how I want them to be because I think town can win that way.
"Fuck you town, I'm always right!"
On a more serious note, then what would you do if the entire town decided to lynch somebody you think is town?
fuck it... I'm going to go ahead and claim because I dont know how long till deadline...
I FULLY LIBERALIZED ROLEFLIPS!!! I have that ability. After pushing for the best issue on day 1 (and succeeding) I liberalized roleflips to see who would die.
I dare you say I did that as scum.
now, kindly, unvote me and vote mr.person.
Quote from: Mr.PThis isn't Alexhans as town. Hell, this isn't even the Alexhans I remember. Since when do you rely on Power Roles, Alexhans?How is this relying on PRs... I did not suspect you because I had a PR. I'm just stating the obvious. I liberalized the issue (I even told everyone yesterday how sound Pandarenic's logic regarding the roleflips was) and no one can counter claim. That means I did it. That would be serious bad play from my part if I were scum. It's not WIFOM. It's a fact.
That's the very definition of WIFOM!
Quote from: Mr.PDo you think this clears you? Do you think Leafsnail wouldn't give the scum the ability to liberalize issues as WIFOM?It doesn't clear me. But scum wouldn't use it. I wouldn't.Quote from: Mr.PWhy did you wait til the END of the day to claim this? If you were going to claim this, you should of done it at the beginning of the day so that we could discuss, have time for counterclaims, and decide if the rest of us should claim.There are no counterclaims because I did it. I didn't want to claim it unless I had to because it is an interesting ability that might be countered in some way. I didnt want that. But if I feel that I need it to win the game. I will come all out.
You do realize that it hasn't been a full 24 hours since you claimed, right? It's quite possible there is a counterclaim, but the person counterclaiming simply hasn't checked the thread yet. Yes, it's unlikely, but it's possible. No, I don't believe there would be a counterclaim. I'm FAR more interested in the fact you claimed late in the day, meaning there's not a definitive chance for everybody to get a chance to counterclaim.
Far more importantly, if you didn't want to claim, WHY THE FUCK DID YOU CLAIM?
Quote from: Mr.PThere's barely any time left in the day for discussing if Alexhans is telling the truth or not, there's not enough time to guarantee a chance of counterclaims, and there's not enough time for an MC even if we wanted to do one (which we don't).Mr.p... you never participated in any discussions. don't pretend to be eager to do so now that there's no time... There won't be counterclaims even if everyone comes out. Your inability to understand signals that you're scum and desperate to survive.
You made the claim late in the day, ergo, there's not much time to talk about your claim. Instead of explaining why you made the claim late in the day, you instead try to deflect onto me and claim I'm misunderstanding. No, you're the one misunderstanding me. I'll give you another shot. Why did you wait til late in the day to claim instead of claiming early in the day? The fact that the way you claimed gives us very little time to discuss your claim only makes me guess you're scum. The fact you just tried to deflect only makes me more sure you're scum.
Quote from: Mr.PNo, this is anti-town behavior from you, Alexhans. Unvote and vote Alexhans.Nice attack near the end. You refuse to see all logic that points I'm town. You are deaf to my claim and pretend that no one will have time to counterclaim so I'm lying... you're the one that is rushing things to make me look bad... you're trying to save your ass. You're scum.[/quote[
Please, be vaguer. We can read your mind.
What logic points to you being town? The liberlization of roleflips? That's WIFOM.Quote from: Mr.PSo Alexhans, you're saying you're kill-immune and can liberalize issues? Don't respond to this, of course, unless you want to, but this is what you're claiming your role to be.I never claimed my role. I just said I liberalized the issue. The fact that you're trying to lynch me based on whatever you may think of the setup (and at the same time calling WIFOM on me saying im doing the same) makes you a rolefisher scum.
Please tell me you're joking. You say I'm rolefishing? I TOLD YOU NOT TO RESPOND! I love how YOU decide to respond and then blame ME for YOUR response. That makes NO SENSE AT ALL!
I never said that I think you're scum because of your role. Quit putting words in my mouth.Mr.P... you've ignored my cases on you everytime... You say you were busy but you only appear when you're in danger. Then you hide again. Go read my posts and answer everything you have avoided if you want. But don't pretend I'm voting you for lurking.
MR.Person HAS JUST VOTED ME TO GET A NOLYNCH. IF HE LYNCHES MAGMA HIS FLIP MIGHT CLEAR ME. THATS WHY HE WANTS TO NOLYNCH OR TO LYNCH ME
THIS IS THE VOTECOUNT
Vote count:
Alexhans: Org, Shades, Mr.Person[3]
MagmaDeath: Kashyyk, Frelock, Rooster[3]
Mr.Person:Alexhans, eduren, magma[3]
last votes sice MOD's votecount
rooster-> magma,
shades-> alex
eduren-> mrp
magma-> mrp
frelock-> org, magma
I voted you so you would get lynched. Assuming your votecoutn is accurate (which I think it is), the votes would be tied even if I didn't vote, so I don't see the advantage of super-tying the vote. Go ahead, come up with more crazy theories as to why I voted you, or you can just accept the fact I voted you because I think you're scum and want you dead.
Post by: Shades on December 02, 2009, 03:36:33 am
Out of curiosity, Shades, if Alexhans comes along and claims a cop who investigated Mr. Person and got scum, what would you do? By your logic we should never lynch claimed cops, so we would have to lynch Mr. Person. Then he comes along and claims cop who got a scum result on you.
Oh I know, but I wanted to see how Alexhans dealt with it, and frankly his reactions seems pro town although overly ranty which implies MagmaDeath is either lieing or paranoid or Alexhans is just that much better than me. Unvote.
This leaves me with something of a problem, the next most scummy on my list was Frelock but his arguments, why I'm not re-voting MagmaDeath, while I slept make me doubt that call now. As we pretty much have two options it would be a waste of a vote anyway.
This only leaves Mr Person who I'm not convinced is scum at all, however a No Lynch when we have a 50% chance of guessing at scum is a silly move so I will vote before the day is out. We have most of a day left yet and I'm open to having my mind changed.
Post by: Shades on December 02, 2009, 01:17:20 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on December 02, 2009, 01:43:38 pm
Well noone else has posted and I'm still not sure but the deadline might be coming up and a nolynch with a 50% chance of randomly hitting scum is silly so, Mr Person.
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Wow, that's awful, to be honest. You're voting me even though you think I'm town? No, that's not the game we're playing here. We're here to lynch scum, not people we think are town. Shades, you vote who you think is scum, period. You don't gamble, you don't lynch just to get a lynch off, you vote scum. So try again, who do you think is scum?
WHO WAS RIGHT TO WANT TO LIBERALIZE CURFEWS? OH, I WAS RIGHT, BITCHES! GUESS WHAT'S HAPPENING? THE END OF THE DAY IS CAUSING PEOPLE TO DO THINGS THEY OTHERWISE WOULDN'T WANT TO DO!
Post by: Shades on December 02, 2009, 02:03:31 pm
Based on the potential cop claim the logic dictates you are the better option for lynch. Your welcome to suggest an alternative.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 02, 2009, 02:25:13 pm
No I said I'm not convinced your Scum, however it's currently a call between you or MagmaDeath as voting for anyone else would be pointless and end with a no-lynch.
Based on the potential cop claim the logic dictates you are the better option for lynch. Your welcome to suggest an alternative.
My suggestion is to vote who you think is scum. If that's me, vote me. If that's MagmaDeath, vote MagmaDeath. If that's Frelock, vote Frelock. Anything else is super-scummy.
How long til the day ends if curfews are at conservative?
Post by: Mr.Person on December 02, 2009, 02:32:31 pm
@Alexhans: You can't have it both ways, do you think MagmaDeath is lying or do you think he's an insane cop?He is lying about the fact that he read my games and analized them.
He can be a cop.
by the way... Hello Mr.Person... Anything you want to add? comments to my post?
Org... Anytime, anywhere... I beat you to any mind game you want. I try to be emotionally agressive so people get involved in the game. As you might see, this attitude only applies to mafia games wich I usually perform good at. I have a decent reputation. You on the other hand... are zwets. If you don't know what is that... You can't talk to me. Because you know nothing.
Good job Alexhans, way to NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION AT ALL!
Alexhans doesn't want to lynch MagmaDeath because he knows MagmaDeath is really a cop. If we lynch MagmaDeath, that would prove Alexhans as scum. If Alexhans was town, he would have nothing to fear from lynching MagmaDeath, yet Alexhans has been trying his DAMNDEST to not get MagmaDeath lynched. Alexhans won't even comment on if he thinks MagmaDeath is a cop or not. That alone should tell you a ton.
Post by: Shades on December 02, 2009, 02:35:04 pm
Post by: Shades on December 02, 2009, 02:37:52 pm
How long til the day ends if curfews are at conservative?
Fairly soon. It was almost 24 hours ago that Leafsnail added 24 hours because I joined, not sure how close we were to the deadline then though.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 02, 2009, 02:41:48 pm
Voting in a way that would cause a no-lynch is super scummy which means the options are currently you or magmadeath, to be honest the fact you think voting for anyone else in this case is good makes me more confident my vote is in the right place.
I find it odd that YOU'RE trying to lynch somebody you think is town That's what's confusing me, and your reasoning for it is crap. This isn't a random-lynch deal, this a a lynch-the-scum deal.
Post by: Shades on December 02, 2009, 02:44:31 pm
I find it odd that YOU'RE trying to lynch somebody you think is town That's what's confusing me, and your reasoning for it is crap. This isn't a random-lynch deal, this a a lynch-the-scum deal.
I don't think your town, I'm just not certain your scum. My choice is currently you or magmadeath. I have said this a couple of times now, it's fairly simple.
Currently re-reading your posts, magmadeaths posts and alexhans posts because it's possible I'm being an idiot.
Post by: Shades on December 02, 2009, 03:01:32 pm
Hey Mr Person, can you do be a favour an read Alexhans and MagmaDeaths posts for the past few days and see if you come to the same conclusion I just did.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 02, 2009, 03:23:28 pm
Unvote and vote MagmaDeath.I've already read them and think MagmaDeath is telling the truth, but I'll reread them, just in case.
Hey Mr Person, can you do be a favour an read Alexhans and MagmaDeaths posts for the past few days and see if you come to the same conclusion I just did.
Post by: Alexhans on December 02, 2009, 03:50:30 pm
Quote from: Mr.Person
On a more serious note, then what would you do if the entire town decided to lynch somebody you think is town?You already know that because I saved your ass in bay12mafia when everybody wanted to lynch you.
Quote from: MR.Person
You do realize that it hasn't been a full 24 hours since you claimed, right? It's quite possible there is a counterclaim, but the person counterclaiming simply hasn't checked the thread yet. Yes, it's unlikely, but it's possible. No, I don't believe there would be a counterclaim. I'm FAR more interested in the fact you claimed late in the day, meaning there's not a definitive chance for everybody to get a chance to counterclaim.`I already told you why I claimed. To lynch scum and avoid a mislynch. You're scum and people were considering voting me or magmadeath when I feel you're 10 times scummier than any of us and magma can prove useful regardless of the truthfulness of his claim.
Quote from: Mr.Person
NIce faking of emotions. It's funny how you start trying to show you care now... I explained why I claimed. I felt it was necessary. Writing in bold and pretending to be angry (When you have been passive all game) won't make you look town.
Far more importantly, if you didn't want to claim, WHY THE FUCK DID YOU CLAIM?
Quote from: Mr.Person
You made the claim late in the day, ergo, there's not much time to talk about your claim. Instead of explaining why you made the claim late in the day, you instead try to deflect onto me and claim I'm misunderstanding. No, you're the one misunderstanding me. I'll give you another shot. Why did you wait til late in the day to claim instead of claiming early in the day? The fact that the way you claimed gives us very little time to discuss your claim only makes me guess you're scum. The fact you just tried to deflect only makes me more sure you're scum.Ok... now you're just posting fluff for the sake of posting... You're appealing to repetition in the hope that people will start believing you. This post says the same thing over and over again and doesn't really make sense. You tell me I should'nt have claimed but also that I should've claimed earlier and conclude Im scum for it? lol... you're full of it..
Quote from: Mr.Person
I voted you so you would get lynched. Assuming your votecoutn is accurate (which I think it is), the votes would be tied even if I didn't vote, so I don't see the advantage of super-tying the vote. Go ahead, come up with more crazy theories as to why I voted you, or you can just accept the fact I voted you because I think you're scum and want you dead.You never suspected me until you were in danger and needed to save your own butt.
Quote from: Mr.Person
Lol... you're full of BS... hahaha... You lurked the whole game and now pretend there's no time... you HAD time... But you chose to hide. Now that you're in danger you want to push a case but you never scumhunted.
WHO WAS RIGHT TO WANT TO LIBERALIZE CURFEWS? OH, I WAS RIGHT, BITCHES! GUESS WHAT'S HAPPENING? THE END OF THE DAY IS CAUSING PEOPLE TO DO THINGS THEY OTHERWISE WOULDN'T WANT TO DO!
You pretend you're right about the issues and totally ignore that I liberalized one of the most important ones and Was the main pusher for the other (transparency).
Quote from: Mr.Person
How the hell would I know magma is a cop? He can be scum for all I know. Dude... If magma comes up with something tomorrow then we can analize if we need to lynch me... He is still in my sight... But there's a ton of things that could happen with magma that I don't need to point out.
Alexhans doesn't want to lynch MagmaDeath because he knows MagmaDeath is really a cop. If we lynch MagmaDeath, that would prove Alexhans as scum. If Alexhans was town, he would have nothing to fear from lynching MagmaDeath, yet Alexhans has been trying his DAMNDEST to not get MagmaDeath lynched. Alexhans won't even comment on if he thinks MagmaDeath is a cop or not. That alone should tell you a ton.
-if scum, he may get killed by other scum (because he claimed cop)
-if town, he may get killed by other scum (because he claimed cop)
-if scum, he needs to fake another result
-if town, he will have new info (if it's town that means we caught scum, if it's another mafia we will have to analyze it).
You have been much more scummy than magmadeath. I've been voting you BEFORE Magmadeath claimed cop and never voted Magma And now you pretend I dont want to lynch him because he is cop? Of course I dont. We cant mislynch today. Even if it clears me tomorrow.
YOU DIDNT SAY ANY OF THIS UNTIL THE WAGGON ON MR.PERSON STARTED. YOU NEVER TRIED TO PUSH ANY ARGUMENT UNTIL YOU WERE IN DANGER. YOU'RE SCUM. ACCEPT IT.
Now, Mr.Person is sabotaging shades so that he will vote magmadeath and not him.
EVERYONE: As an exercise... go through all the pages looking at Mr.Person's posts and tell me if he ever tried to scumhunt or even post until he was attacked. He didn't. He just became active and is faking "emotions" and quickly decided I was scum because he is afraid... He was online during day 1 many times. He posted elsewhere but avoided appearing here. That's scum lurking. He posted a couple of one liners and dissapeared again. Org accused him of lurking and he has mildly tried to lynch him since. He omgused frelock when frelock attacked him. Now he is trying to save himself by any means possible. He has forgotten about everything else. This is obvious. Everyone should vote him because we've found scum.
Mr.Person implied here (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=44563.msg888809#msg888809) he could not read me well but now is acting totally convinced to get people to mislynch me.
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Well, I would vote someone else, but Org is scum. He has no good reason to vote Alex, and yet he continues to vote Alex for seemingly no reason.He said Org was scum but now has forgotten all about it. Convinient.
I'm also going to look into Rooster, MagmaDeath, and all the lurkers who have yet to vote for someone today. Alex, who I think is a townie, but I've learned that I cannot read Alex well, is right. There are a lot of people who aren't saying anything. Like you, Kashyyk. Come one down, vote someone, at least say something.
Quote from: Mr.Person
So if you understand why I'm voting him (He lurks), why exactly do I look scummy?He voted Org for lurking and then pretended other people were scummy for voting him for, what he thought, was lurking.
Until I voted Mr.Person he NEVER said anything about me. NEVER.
Quote from: Mr.Person
Why is Alexhans scum to you, Frelock? You never mentioned that, and your post sounds a lot like you would vote for him if I wasn't in the game.He attacked Frelock like that ^^ lol.
Mr.Person just voted me and said I was scum when his waggon started gaining speed.
this is pretty clear.
kashyyk, rooster, frelock need to come here and vote mr.person.
It can't get any easier than this... Do not use deadline as an excuse to lynch someone else. Mr.Person is there and can be lynched. Take the chance, it's the first step to win the game.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 02, 2009, 03:58:46 pm
Mr. Person, You never said anything until I voted for you, You were content to just watch alex or I get lynched. I agree with you that liberalizing curfews would have been nice, but we didn't, and we are stuck at the end of the day.
Everyone needs to unvote and lynch Mr. Person.
If he isn't scum, We'll be able to get one tomorrow, and hopefully they'll kill each other off.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 02, 2009, 04:18:09 pm
Well, Listen to Alexhans. He may be scum, but I think he actually found another scum from the other side.
Mr. Person, You never said anything until I voted for you, You were content to just watch alex or I get lynched. I agree with you that liberalizing curfews would have been nice, but we didn't, and we are stuck at the end of the day.
Everyone needs to unvote and lynch Mr. Person.
If he isn't scum, We'll be able to get one tomorrow, and hopefully they'll kill each other off.
If you think we're both scum, why do you want me lynched over Alexhans?
Post by: Kashyyk on December 02, 2009, 04:19:01 pm
So, I'm actually going to vote Alexhans.
Post by: Alexhans on December 02, 2009, 04:25:59 pm
I'm here now. This argument between Mr.Person and Alexhans it getting out of hand. In my opinion Alex seems the most scummy, as I don't think I've ever seen him be angry like this and be town.lol... It seems I was right in d1 too...
So, I'm actually going to vote Alexhans.
Here you have... http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=42096.0
That's my last game as town... Lots of people thought I was scum. Maybe you'll see some similarities... That's why Dakarian unvoted me this game. Because he realized I was town. Not that I could potentially fake this anger, though. It's just that It's a null tell and you're trying to use it as a reason in a FRIGGING ONE LINER POST!
all in all... 4 scum, 5 town, If the entire town doesn't vote Mr.Person to make sure he is lynched we're fucked.
mislynch. 4 scum 4 town.
kills... 3 scum 3 town (let's assume one crosskill)
town will be fucked unless scum absokutely crosskills the other team. If not. We will be screwed fast.
anyway... Kashyyk has been lurking and came just to vote me? He just said Im more scummy because Im angry and nothing else? What do you think now I've shown you I can be angry town? Eh, kashyyk? I guess you're gonna ignore it.
Why do you also ignore commenting on everything else that has happened?
I make this appeal to town once again... There's FIVE of us... Let's vote Mr.Person. he is scum... We NEED to win.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 02, 2009, 04:28:59 pm
Well, I want you both lynched. But after Alex claimed, it's likely he'll be NK'd anyway, So I'm going to go with you for now. If Alex lives, we can go after him tomorrow.Well, Listen to Alexhans. He may be scum, but I think he actually found another scum from the other side.
Mr. Person, You never said anything until I voted for you, You were content to just watch alex or I get lynched. I agree with you that liberalizing curfews would have been nice, but we didn't, and we are stuck at the end of the day.
Everyone needs to unvote and lynch Mr. Person.
If he isn't scum, We'll be able to get one tomorrow, and hopefully they'll kill each other off.
If you think we're both scum, why do you want me lynched over Alexhans?
Post by: Mr.Person on December 02, 2009, 04:30:56 pm
Well, I want you both lynched. But after Alex claimed, it's likely he'll be NK'd anyway, So I'm going to go with you for now. If Alex lives, we can go after him tomorrow.Well, Listen to Alexhans. He may be scum, but I think he actually found another scum from the other side.
Mr. Person, You never said anything until I voted for you, You were content to just watch alex or I get lynched. I agree with you that liberalizing curfews would have been nice, but we didn't, and we are stuck at the end of the day.
Everyone needs to unvote and lynch Mr. Person.
If he isn't scum, We'll be able to get one tomorrow, and hopefully they'll kill each other off.
If you think we're both scum, why do you want me lynched over Alexhans?
Alexhans survived a super-saint, so he's probably kill immune.
Post by: Alexhans on December 02, 2009, 04:34:59 pm
Alexhans: Org, Shades, Mr.Person, kashyyk[4]
MagmaDeath: Frelock, Rooster, shades[3]
Mr.Person:Alexhans, eduren, magma[3]
I'm getting lynched thanks to Mr.Person (scum) and Kashyyk (scum)...
Org (prob town) IS and idiot. Shades (idk) should unvote me and vote mrp.
frelock and rooster, if town, need to vote mr.person.
Even a nl is better than a lynch Alexhans. I WILL FUCKING LIBERALIZE ANOTHER ISSUE IF YOU GUYS LET ME. MR.PERSON WANTS ME DEAD BECAUSE HE IS AFRAID HE CANT KILL ME. HE SUSPECTS I'M NK INMUNE SO HE NEEDS TO LYNCH ME!!!
You guys still suck... Learn to scumhunt. Mr.Person just ignored my post. He will avoid posting now... He thinks he is safe.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 02, 2009, 04:40:50 pm
So you assume he has an incredibly broken role then?Well, I want you both lynched. But after Alex claimed, it's likely he'll be NK'd anyway, So I'm going to go with you for now. If Alex lives, we can go after him tomorrow.Well, Listen to Alexhans. He may be scum, but I think he actually found another scum from the other side.
Mr. Person, You never said anything until I voted for you, You were content to just watch alex or I get lynched. I agree with you that liberalizing curfews would have been nice, but we didn't, and we are stuck at the end of the day.
Everyone needs to unvote and lynch Mr. Person.
If he isn't scum, We'll be able to get one tomorrow, and hopefully they'll kill each other off.
If you think we're both scum, why do you want me lynched over Alexhans?
Alexhans survived a super-saint, so he's probably kill immune.
Night-kills are different then day-kills. He could be immune to day abilities, Or he could have a one shot kill protection.
That is, assuming he is town.
A townie immune to all kills, save lynches, would be a pretty broken role.
If he was scum, Being kill immune might be a ability for him, though it is pretty unlikely.
Come on people, I kinda started the wagon against Alex, And I stoped voting for him.
Leave him to be killed in the night, or liberalize another issue for us, Censorship would be a good one to try Alex.
Mr. Person is ignoring Alexhans's posts, And now that he thinks he isn't going to be lynched, He'll just go right back to lurking.
Vote Mr. Person.
Post by: Shades on December 02, 2009, 04:46:48 pm
Shades (idk) should unvote me and vote mrp.
I'm not voting you.
Post by: Alexhans on December 02, 2009, 04:50:50 pm
Alexhans: Org, Shades, Mr.Person, kashyyk[4]
MagmaDeath: Frelock, Rooster[2]
Mr.Person:Alexhans, eduren, magma[3]
As you can see... With 4 scum knowing that I can liberalize issues... I might as well say goodbye cruel world... because they need to lynch me. It's entirely possible that my waggon is fully scum-ridden... anway... Org is so stupid that he may be town.
I hope kashyyk and Mr.Person are unalligned... Guys, the othe guy is scum... shoot him before he shoots you.
If I'm lynched today.... Promise me to lynch Mr.Person. DO NOT let him live.
Mr.Person... until a few minutes ago, active, will now hide smiling... waiting for the deadline.
By the way... this is what happens when there's no hammer mentality... people just wait for deadlines to come and then they manipulate the votecounts in the last second and get a nice mislynch... but they just did it because of deadline... :roll: they hope no one's gonna judge them... If there was a hammer mentality... this wouldn't happen, people would make up their mind and hammer with reasons.
With the current mindset scum waits and fucks town at the last minute.
I advice everyone to have a taste of MS... maybe you'll find something good out there. Maybe you'll stop sucking.
By the way.... kashhyk has been saying I was town all game and now he suddenly came out and voted me... Saying I was scummier for being angry.
Quote from: kashyyk
I personally don't believe Alex's 'frantic angriness' to be scummy, I see why it might be but I don't think it is in this case. MagmaDeath's post may have things going for it, however I feel that it is too forced.
Quote from: kashyyk's vote
Insert Quoteahhahahahahaha
I'm here now. This argument between Mr.Person and Alexhans it getting out of hand. In my opinion Alex seems the most scummy, as I don't think I've ever seen him be angry like this and be town.
just for the fun of it:
Quote from: kashyyk
I want to write a long, content filled post, but I don't have anything to write about!Nice post man... This has been kashyyk's scumhunting all game. He hasn't done anything... I DARE You to research... Town should be pro-town and research...
I'm good. I already nailed 2 scum. If town decides to ignore it... Town fails. Not me.
Post by: Alexhans on December 02, 2009, 04:52:23 pm
By voting magma you're effectively lynching me or nolynching.Shades (idk) should unvote me and vote mrp.
I'm not voting you.
Vote count (really corrected this time... I failed):
Alexhans: Org, Mr.Person, kashyyk[3]
MagmaDeath: Frelock, Rooster, shades [3]
Mr.Person:Alexhans, eduren, magma[3]
Post by: Shades on December 02, 2009, 04:54:39 pm
Post by: Alexhans on December 02, 2009, 04:56:54 pm
Post by: Shades on December 02, 2009, 04:59:24 pm
you mean that when you voted magma, he was set to lynch? And then kashyyk switched? or what?
Yup. The choice was him or Mr.Person both on three, you where on two
Post by: Kashyyk on December 02, 2009, 05:34:08 pm
Trust me Alex. You have found two Scum. You and your Scumbuddy.
Yes, I see your link about town angryness, and I distinctly remember you being angry and Scum at least a few times. I've done a little research however and couldn't find them.
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I guess you're gonna ignore it.
I take offense at this comment. I do not intentionally ignore any evidence, no matter which side it supports. It is one of the few things about me that I'm pleased about.
Also, You may not have liberalised it on your own. I have an Issue related ability as well. But because somebody lead the town to voting for Transparency instead, (something the scum could have easily reverted to conservatism) I now have no idea what my ability actually does. Well done.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 02, 2009, 05:45:17 pm
Free Speech: Mr.Person, Org, MagmaDeath, Kashyyk, Rooster [5]
Accountability: Alexhans [1]
Curfews: Shades
Vote count:
Alexhans: Org, Mr.Person, Kashyyk [3]
MagmaDeath: Frelock, Rooster ooster, Shades [3]
Mr.Person: Alexhans, Eduren, MagmaDeath, [3]
Teams:
Liberals: 5
Conservatives: 2
Stalinists: 2
Super-Mutant: 0
Day will end very soon. No Lynch will occur in the case of a tie.
Post by: Shades on December 02, 2009, 05:49:05 pm
Post by: Shades on December 02, 2009, 05:55:48 pm
Unvote, vote Alexhans
Post by: Leafsnail on December 02, 2009, 06:17:23 pm
I'll get the day ended tomorrow.
Post by: Rooster on December 02, 2009, 06:41:28 pm
I don't exactly know what "tommorow in america" is, so...
Alex I see your point about Mr. Person, but for some reason your choice of words made me suspect there's something odd about you, and I still want to lynch Magma Death. Eighter he made a huge mistake, or lied, and I'm not going to let liars get away.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 02, 2009, 06:46:02 pm
Interesting that both MagmaDeath and Alexhans could save themselves by voting the other one, yet neither have.And?
He'll probably get night killed anyway.
Its better to save us a lynch and get another scum.
Post by: Alexhans on December 02, 2009, 08:30:09 pm
Fine, as I want to avoid a nolynch and I'm fairly sure now that Alexhans and MagmaDeath are scum buddies I'll switch votes.quiick post cause I'm making my dinner...we found 3rd scum...
Unvote, vote Alexhans
HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO PULL WITH A STRAIGHT FACE THAT ME AND MAGMADEATH ARE SCUM??? HOW WOULD MAGMADEATH BENEFIT FROM BUSSING ME ALL DAY??? I WOULDNT BE ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED IF IT WERENT FOR HIM AND HIS CLAIM!!!
I would believe in the possibility of a buss if there was only one scumgroup. But there are 2 scumgroups!!! Your reason is the worst piece of bullshit I've ever seen. It such a bunch of crap that Org's arguments look sherlock holmian in comparison.
also... he claims we are scumbuddies after he previously had said that one of us was lying and the other wasnt. That's a bunch of crap.
He is lynching me as opposed to the sanity affected cop because I can fucking liberalize an issue.
Scum that has CLEARLY CONTRADICTED THEMSELVES THROUGHOUT THE GAME: Mr.Person, Kashhyk, Shades.
Org is still lurking and will cost the game to the town. I hereby nominate Org as the worst liability ever.
Interesting that both MagmaDeath and Alexhans could save themselves by voting the other one, yet neither have.THAT'S STUPID!!! Why would I vote who I don't think is scum? Why would I vote him when I think that if he is, he will have enough troubles anyway? Why wouldnt I vote and try to lynch Mr.Person WHO IS SCUM!!!
You've voted me after you said you suspected magma more than mr.person and me. It doesnt make sense. You should be voting magma if anything (im not saying you should, but it's what would make sense after what you said) but you're not. You're voting me to AVOID a NOLYNCH! You're just saving Mr.person's ass and making sure no issue gets liberalized.
Rooster. Magma is not getting lynched. It's me or Mr.Person or Nolynch. At this point. Even nolynch is better than lynching me. Because Im frigging town and it's obvious for everyone who is not as blind as this town. I've played, scumhunted, voted the best issues and even liberalized the second best. I've pushed everyone I could into playing and scum is trying to off me because I'm a threat to them.
They're there. For you to vote them. If you choose not to. Its your fault.
Leafsnail.... not saaying the exact time of the deadline is one of the worst things you're doing... consider yourself super important for scum's victory (wich will be a victory if you lynch me right now, I'm sure of it, it has always been like that). You should've given a GMT time so we dont get fucked by vulture scum who appears near deadline to fuck us up.
there's 5 town... you're about to mislynch one... you will be tied in scum and town.... you're fucked.
last chance town players. Vote Mr.Person. Or lose. Dont give me any crap about me leading town because I'm the only fucking one along with dakarian that actually was pro-town.
oh, kashyyk, your post is full of bs too. Everyone I accuse gets cocky and starts pretending they're sure I'm scum... :roll: You blatantly contradicted yourself regarding my anger... you called it "not scummy" and then voted me for it. You're just one inch above org because you sometimes answer stuff... but your lurking is terrible.
Post by: Org on December 02, 2009, 08:35:42 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 02, 2009, 08:37:32 pm
Fine, as I want to avoid a nolynch and I'm fairly sure now that Alexhans and MagmaDeath are scum buddies I'll switch votes.quiick post cause I'm making my dinner...we found 3rd scum...
Unvote, vote Alexhans
HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO PULL WITH A STRAIGHT FACE THAT ME AND MAGMADEATH ARE SCUM??? HOW WOULD MAGMADEATH BENEFIT FROM BUSSING ME ALL DAY??? I WOULDNT BE ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED IF IT WERENT FOR HIM AND HIS CLAIM!!!
Really, Come on. If I was scumbuddies with him, I would have never cop claimed and tried to get my buddy lynched, Possibly at lylo, but not DAY 2.
You expect scum to try and get their partners lynched on day two?
Scum that has CLEARLY CONTRADICTED THEMSELVES THROUGHOUT THE GAME: Mr.Person, Kashhyk, Shades.Huh, I agree with you there. They have contradicted themselves.
If we weren't so scum rich, I would like to lynch Org.
His play-style helps the scum much more then the town/
Post by: Org on December 02, 2009, 08:38:23 pm
I help the town! Sometimes...
Post by: Alexhans on December 02, 2009, 09:16:07 pm
I'd conditionally vote magmadeath to avoid my lynch (nolynch is better than Alexhans lynch) but I don't think I can (and I despise condicitional voting)
Post by: Org on December 02, 2009, 09:16:39 pm
What a tweeeeeeeeeeeeeessst
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 02, 2009, 10:51:53 pm
Want to vote for Mr. Person?
Post by: Eduren on December 02, 2009, 11:17:15 pm
...Bugger. Need to go to bed now, and don't have the role pms on this computer. Sorry, didn't have much chance to access the computer on my birthday.Does this mean that we have another 12 hours or so?
I'll get the day ended tomorrow.
Post by: Frelock on December 02, 2009, 11:31:54 pm
Mr. Person. I'm back to you. I still don't think that Alex is scum (I saw too much angry town alex in Bay12 to say he's being scummy), and I haven't been able to get the support to lynch Magmadeath (who's backed off Alexhans to go for a possibly easier target; now he has Alexhans to do his arguing for him. I still say magma's scum). Of course, just because Magma is voting for you doesn't mean that I think he's bussing you; I just think he's not your teammate.
I'd also like to point out here that org's last comment seems to be trying to get a tie and thus a NL to happen. Shades made an idiotic comment about Alexhans and Magma being on the same team (bussing your teammate that thoroughly in a game where catching scum does not make you seem town, as well as claiming cop which makes you a target for the other scum team seems to be a very, very bad idea all around).
Also, I'll bet that cerfews is actually liberal; Leaf's just messing with us. That's the second delay he's given us.
Vote count:
Alexhans: Mr.Person, Kashyyk, Shades [3]
MagmaDeath: Rooster [1]
Mr.Person: Alexhans, Eduren, MagmaDeath, Frelock[4]
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 02, 2009, 11:52:29 pm
Post by: Rooster on December 03, 2009, 12:18:42 am
I'm going to school (should have been asleep for past 8 hours, but whatever)
There's just nothing I can do, or anyone of us to prove Magma is scum? no?
You are scum if you're alive tommorow...
Unvote
Vote Mr.Person
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 03, 2009, 12:21:09 am
So...
I'm going to school (should have been asleep for past 8 hours, but whatever)
There's just nothing I can do, or anyone of us to prove Magma is scum? no?
You are scum if you're alive tommorow...
Unvote
Vote Mr.Person
So...Nice wine you have there.
I'm going to school (should have been asleep for past 8 hours, but whatever)
There's just nothing I can do, or anyone of us to prove Magma is scum? no?
You are scum if you're alive tommorow...
Unvote
Vote Mr.Person
Post by: Mr.Person on December 03, 2009, 12:38:37 am
First off:
I want an answer for this.So why would you "take full responsability" for my lynch? What does that even mean? If it means what I think it does (If I get lynched and roleflip town, lynch Alexhans), then you know DAMN WELL how scummy it is to say things like that.Taking full responsibility means that I will have to fight hell and heaven tomorrow if you flip town. I'd never really quit. But I dont think you will. So I'm betting a lot here. But I rather be wrong and lose than let others be wrong and lose.
So you're saying that you're willing to fight tomorrow if I get lynched and flip town? That's nice, if somewhat stupid. Why are you saying this?
You already know that because I saved your ass in bay12mafia when everybody wanted to lynch you.Good, wanted to see if you were consistent. So who do you think is town?
I already told you why I claimed. To lynch scum and avoid a mislynch. You're scum and people were considering voting me or magmadeath when I feel you're 10 times scummier than any of us and magma can prove useful regardless of the truthfulness of his claim.What? If his claim isn't truthful, he's not useful, he's scum! For the last fucking time, DO YOU THINK MAGMADEATH IS SCUM OR TOWN?
NIce faking of emotions. It's funny how you start trying to show you care now... I explained why I claimed. I felt it was necessary. Writing in bold and pretending to be angry (When you have been passive all game) won't make you look town.I wasn't trying to look town, I was asking you a question, which you didn't answer.
Ok... now you're just posting fluff for the sake of posting... You're appealing to repetition in the hope that people will start believing you. This post says the same thing over and over again and doesn't really make sense. You tell me I should'nt have claimed but also that I should've claimed earlier and conclude Im scum for it? lol... you're full of it..
If you're going to claim, you should of done it properly: at the beginning of the day, so we could talk about it as much as possible.
Lol... you're full of BS... hahaha... You lurked the whole game and now pretend there's no time... you HAD time... But you chose to hide. Now that you're in danger you want to push a case but you never scumhunted.I know you're scum, I'm fairly sure Org is scum. Kashyyk and Sleeves are rubbing me the wrong way.
You pretend you're right about the issues and totally ignore that I liberalized one of the most important ones and Was the main pusher for the other (transparency).
How the hell would I know magma is a cop? He can be scum for all I know. Dude... If magma comes up with something tomorrow then we can analize if we need to lynch me... He is still in my sight... But there's a ton of things that could happen with magma that I don't need to point out.Once again, you decline to say if you think he's scum or town. I think he's telling the truth, myself. With a second mafia faction, there's no reason to endanger oneself in the manner he has. This isn't even a WIFOM problem, he's claiming cop with multiple mafia factions. That's just dangerous as fuck!
-if scum, he may get killed by other scum (because he claimed cop)So now you're implying you think MagmaDeath is town. You don't state it outright, of course.
-if town, he may get killed by other scum (because he claimed cop)
-if scum, he needs to fake another result
-if town, he will have new info (if it's town that means we caught scum, if it's another mafia we will have to analyze it).
You have been much more scummy than magmadeath. I've been voting you BEFORE Magmadeath claimed cop and never voted Magma And now you pretend I dont want to lynch him because he is cop? Of course I dont. We cant mislynch today. Even if it clears me tomorrow.
How can I pretend you don't want to lynch him if you in fact don't want to lynch him? I guess I called that one right, I'm just not sure why you snapped at me for this one.
Now, Mr.Person is sabotaging shades so that he will vote magmadeath and not him.Yes, I want Shades to vote you.
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Well, I would vote someone else, but Org is scum. He has no good reason to vote Alex, and yet he continues to vote Alex for seemingly no reason.
I'm also going to look into Rooster, MagmaDeath, and all the lurkers who have yet to vote for someone today. Alex, who I think is a townie, but I've learned that I cannot read Alex well, is right. There are a lot of people who aren't saying anything. Like you, Kashyyk. Come one down, vote someone, at least say something.
Until I voted Mr.Person he NEVER said anything about me. NEVER.No.
He attacked Frelock like that ^^ lol.That's not an attack, that's a question. Why are you defending Frelock from what you thought was an attack?
Mr.Person just voted me and said I was scum when his waggon started gaining speed.Eh, that's a coincidence that I noticed you're scum at that time.
It can't get any easier than this... Do not use deadline as an excuse to lynch someone else. Mr.Person is there and can be lynched. Take the chance, it's the first step to win the game.This is more a general thing Alexhans, but why are you making so many appeals to emotion? You know they don't mean anything, so why are you spouting out so many?
Post by: Shades on December 03, 2009, 03:22:04 am
HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO PULL WITH A STRAIGHT FACE THAT ME AND MAGMADEATH ARE SCUM??? HOW WOULD MAGMADEATH BENEFIT FROM BUSSING ME ALL DAY??? I WOULDNT BE ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED IF IT WERENT FOR HIM AND HIS CLAIM!!!
Because he was likely to get lynched and the endless conflict between you, which started day 1, pretty much assures that if one of you is lynched the other look 'town'. On top of that he claims to have a cop investigation on you and isn't voting which screams scum to me.
On top of that you've been protecting him by getting aggressive against almost everyone that voted for him despite your practically unstated argument on why the guy that claims your scum you think is less scummy than Mr.Person.
Finally, yes I think MagmaDeath is scummier than you but I was already voting for him and it was looking like a no-lynch. You where the best next option.
Leafsnail.... not saaying the exact time of the deadline is one of the worst things you're doing... consider yourself super important for scum's victory (wich will be a victory if you lynch me right now, I'm sure of it, it has always been like that). You should've given a GMT time so we dont get fucked by vulture scum who appears near deadline to fuck us up.
This is the only sensible pro-town thing you've said for a long time, and as we aren't in a no-lynch and it won't put us into a no-lynch I will Unvote back to MagmaDeath till he explains why he has both a cop investigation role and aren't voting for him.
Mr.Person I don't like the fact you vanished and ignored my question as soon as I unvoted you, I'm with Alexhans on that seeming lurky and so scummy.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 03, 2009, 04:06:59 am
HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO PULL WITH A STRAIGHT FACE THAT ME AND MAGMADEATH ARE SCUM??? HOW WOULD MAGMADEATH BENEFIT FROM BUSSING ME ALL DAY??? I WOULDNT BE ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED IF IT WERENT FOR HIM AND HIS CLAIM!!!
Because he was likely to get lynched and the endless conflict between you, which started day 1, pretty much assures that if one of you is lynched the other look 'town'. On top of that he claims to have a cop investigation on you and isn't voting which screams scum to me.
On top of that you've been protecting him by getting aggressive against almost everyone that voted for him despite your practically unstated argument on why the guy that claims your scum you think is less scummy than Mr.Person.
Finally, yes I think MagmaDeath is scummier than you but I was already voting for him and it was looking like a no-lynch. You where the best next option.Leafsnail.... not saaying the exact time of the deadline is one of the worst things you're doing... consider yourself super important for scum's victory (wich will be a victory if you lynch me right now, I'm sure of it, it has always been like that). You should've given a GMT time so we dont get fucked by vulture scum who appears near deadline to fuck us up.
This is the only sensible pro-town thing you've said for a long time, and as we aren't in a no-lynch and it won't put us into a no-lynch I will Unvote back to MagmaDeath till he explains why he has both a cop investigation role and aren't voting for him.
Mr.Person I don't like the fact you vanished and ignored my question as soon as I unvoted you, I'm with Alexhans on that seeming lurky and so scummy.
I didn't vanish, I'm just not on this board 24/7. Now, if you'd kindly reask the question, I'll gladly answer it.
Post by: Rooster on December 03, 2009, 09:01:49 am
So...
I'm going to school (should have been asleep for past 8 hours, but whatever)
There's just nothing I can do, or anyone of us to prove Magma is scum? no?
You are scum if you're alive tommorow...
Unvote
Vote Mr.PersonSo...Nice wine you have there.
I'm going to school (should have been asleep for past 8 hours, but whatever)
There's just nothing I can do, or anyone of us to prove Magma is scum? no?
You are scum if you're alive tommorow...
Unvote
Vote Mr.Person
Oh my god, that's not WIFOM, in fact YOU SAID SO!
You were willing to risk your lynch, or a NK, just to make sure Alexhans is considered scum, where did that go now? Why are you not consistent. Now I think you did that to save your ass.
Unvote
Vote Magma Death
I'm so not going to get tricked now so easily to take my vote off of you. Scumbucket.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 03, 2009, 11:24:36 am
Free Speech: Mr.Person, Org, MagmaDeath, Kashyyk, Rooster [5]
Accountability: Alexhans [1]
Curfews: Shades [1]
Vote count:
Alexhans: Mr.Person, Kashyyk, [2]
Mr.Person: Alexhans, Eduren, MagmaDeath, Frelock [4]
MagmaDeath: Rooster, Shades [2]
Not Voting: Org (?)[1]
Teams:
Liberals: 5
Conservatives: 2
Stalinists: 2
Super-Mutant: 0
Dayphase will end today. Sorry, curfews are conservative, and my birthday yesterday did mess things up.
Post by: Shades on December 03, 2009, 11:30:48 am
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 03, 2009, 12:48:48 pm
I said I would probably die tommorow, But when I said that, Alexhans hadn't role claimed. and, I had the possibilty of being protected by a docter.So...
I'm going to school (should have been asleep for past 8 hours, but whatever)
There's just nothing I can do, or anyone of us to prove Magma is scum? no?
You are scum if you're alive tommorow...
Unvote
Vote Mr.PersonSo...Nice wine you have there.
I'm going to school (should have been asleep for past 8 hours, but whatever)
There's just nothing I can do, or anyone of us to prove Magma is scum? no?
You are scum if you're alive tommorow...
Unvote
Vote Mr.Person
Oh my god, that's not WIFOM, in fact YOU SAID SO!
You were willing to risk your lynch, or a NK, just to make sure Alexhans is considered scum, where did that go now? Why are you not consistent. Now I think you did that to save your ass.
Unvote
Vote Magma Death
I'm so not going to get tricked now so easily to take my vote off of you. Scumbucket.
Now that you said that, It's likely I won't be killed, just so the scum can push me as an easy lynch.
See where the wine is now?
I could be left alive as an easy lynch, or because I was scum, Or because I was protected.
Living dosen't neccisarily make me scum.
Also, when exactly does the day end?
Post by: Mr.Person on December 03, 2009, 01:42:07 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 03, 2009, 02:03:41 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 03, 2009, 02:28:21 pm
So MagmaDeath, you think you're insane, right? Say, when you inspected Alexhans, did it tell you which mafia faction he was in or just that he's not liberal?It said he wasn't liberal, and not human.
But since the super muant seem to be gone, I'm not exactly sure what to think.
Not human could mean some sort of robot or such, or possibly the stalanists, as we dont know what they are.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 03, 2009, 03:13:01 pm
So MagmaDeath, you think you're insane, right? Say, when you inspected Alexhans, did it tell you which mafia faction he was in or just that he's not liberal?It said he wasn't liberal, and not human.
But since the super muant seem to be gone, I'm not exactly sure what to think.
Not human could mean some sort of robot or such, or possibly the stalanists, as we dont know what they are.
WHY DO I HAVE TO WORK SO HARD TO GET YOU AND ALEX TO SAY WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE OTHER ONE?
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 03, 2009, 03:22:29 pm
You Don't?So MagmaDeath, you think you're insane, right? Say, when you inspected Alexhans, did it tell you which mafia faction he was in or just that he's not liberal?It said he wasn't liberal, and not human.
But since the super muant seem to be gone, I'm not exactly sure what to think.
Not human could mean some sort of robot or such, or possibly the stalanists, as we dont know what they are.
WHY DO I HAVE TO WORK SO HARD TO GET YOU AND ALEX TO SAY WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE OTHER ONE?
Post by: Mr.Person on December 03, 2009, 03:26:55 pm
You Don't?So MagmaDeath, you think you're insane, right? Say, when you inspected Alexhans, did it tell you which mafia faction he was in or just that he's not liberal?It said he wasn't liberal, and not human.
But since the super muant seem to be gone, I'm not exactly sure what to think.
Not human could mean some sort of robot or such, or possibly the stalanists, as we dont know what they are.
WHY DO I HAVE TO WORK SO HARD TO GET YOU AND ALEX TO SAY WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE OTHER ONE?
Do you think Alexhans is scum or do you think he's town? God damnit, you're pissing me off.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 03, 2009, 03:51:48 pm
I think he is scum, But I also think that the other scum team will kill him because of his ability.You Don't?So MagmaDeath, you think you're insane, right? Say, when you inspected Alexhans, did it tell you which mafia faction he was in or just that he's not liberal?It said he wasn't liberal, and not human.
But since the super muant seem to be gone, I'm not exactly sure what to think.
Not human could mean some sort of robot or such, or possibly the stalanists, as we dont know what they are.
WHY DO I HAVE TO WORK SO HARD TO GET YOU AND ALEX TO SAY WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE OTHER ONE?
Do you think Alexhans is scum or do you think he's town? God damnit, you're pissing me off.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 03, 2009, 05:10:57 pm
How else do you explain him surviving a super-saint attack?
Post by: Leafsnail on December 03, 2009, 05:13:51 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 03, 2009, 05:20:08 pm
Free Speech: Mr.Person, Org, MagmaDeath, Kashyyk, Rooster [5]
Accountability: Alexhans [1]
Curfews: Shades [1]
Vote count:
Alexhans: Mr.Person, Kashyyk, [2]
Mr.Person: Alexhans, Eduren, MagmaDeath, Frelock [4]
MagmaDeath: Rooster, Shades [2]
Not Voting: Org (?)[1]
"Stand back!" says Alexhans, "This one's mine!" He takes up the rifle, and, grinning, points it at Mr.Person.
Mr.Person looks down the barrel disdainfully, and begins to speak.
"I come here to help... and this is how you repay me?"
"Shut up, scum!" Alexhans is about to fire, but MagmaDeath lowers the rifle. "Let him speak"
"As I was saying, I came here to help. I came here to assist in a glorious revolution again the Arch Conservatives and the Liberal Elites, yet -"
"Wait, against the Liberals?" Org looks confused.
"Of course against the bloody liberals! We'll never achieve true equality with them! You bastards are still enslaved by your leaders and your false God!" Mr.Person begins to laugh manically, then looks at the floor. "They told me my experiments were cruel... "Inhumane", that's what they said. But it was for the good of the people... how the hell could it be wrong? Surely the suffering of my subjects is worth it for the cause!"
The trigger is pulled. A single shot through the head causes Mr.Person to leave this life for good, and become exactly what he always wanted to be.
Just another number.
Mr.Person, Special Experimenter, Stalinist Redirector has been lynched.
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Active abilities:
Special Injection: Once per night, you may inject a player with a special concoction and bring them to another players room. This will make them use any actions they were trying to use that night on the player you redirected them to. Note that the player will be aware of this redirection.
Passive abilities:
Faceless Army: All actions targetting you are redirected to BUDDY1 and vice versa.
Issue abilities:
None
You successfully campaign to have free speech laws brought up to date. Private communication should now be possible.
The Agenda:
Any living player may pm any other living player. Please add me as a recipient to all game related pms.
A non-negotiable deadline of 4 real life days (weekend counts as one day) is placed on each dayphase.
The name of each team and the number of players alive in each team is displayed with every votecount and at the start of each phase.
Rolename, alignment and role pm are revealed on death. All roles will flip according to their alignment and abilities, with death miller abilities overridden.
Anyone killed in the night will be vaguely described as "killed".
Some elements of role pms may be [CLASSIFIED].
Teams:
Liberals: 5
Conservatives: 2
Stalinists: 1
Super-Mutant: 0
Post by: Leafsnail on December 05, 2009, 08:40:02 am
Noone is allowed to pm anyone else. The mafia may use their quicktopic.
You aren't entirely sure what the legal status of curfews is.
The name of each team and the number of players alive in each team is displayed with every votecount and at the start of each phase.
Rolename, alignment and role pm are revealed on death. All roles will flip according to their alignment and abilities, with death miller abilities overridden.
Some flavour will be given on kills, but the source of the kill will still be in doubt.
Some elements of role pms may be [CLASSIFIED]. This law seems to be rigidly locked in place, at least for now.
You think this over for a bit, before counting yourselves. It would seem that Alexhans and Frelock are both missing. Damn... could this be the end of the LCS?
You go to Alexhans' room, and find his body lying in the middle, riddled with bullets from some kind of high powered automatic weapon. His face is twisted into a snarl, and his muscles seem to have grown greatly since when you saw him yesterday. There is also some kind of blast wound on his stomach that had healed over, and his room is full of leaflets.
Alexhans, Mutant, Liberal Ascetic and Secret Reviver, has been killed in the night.
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Active abilities:
None
Passive abilities:
Hideous Freak: Your frightening appearance causes all non kill actions to fail against you.
Regeneration X: [CLASSIFIED] >You will revive once on death. You will NOT roleflip.<
Issue abilities:
Visit The Conservatives with Informational Leaflets: You can fully liberalise an issue every night.
You head to Frelock's room, and find the door still open, with Frelock lying on the floor. He has... stab wounds? It's difficult to describe his wounds - a weird combination of stabbing and crushing, as if delivered by some kind of pickaxe. He seems to have been holding an AK47 and some kind of walkie talky... wait, he was a conservative after all!
Frelock, Police Gang Unit, Conservative Super-Day Cop, has been killed in the night.
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Active abilities:
Stop and Search: Once per game, during the dayphase, you may send me the name of a player. You will use invasive searching techniques to learn that player's alignment and role. This will bypass any inspection changing abilities.
Passive abilities:
None
Issue abilities:
Nothing to See Here: Once per nightphase you can send me the name of an issue. Noone will be able to see what status that issue is on during the next day. This may be pointless for some issues, however.
So that means there's still a conservative and a Stalinist out there... you'll need to find them quickly.
Liberals: 4
Conservatives: 1
Stalinists: 1
Super-Mutant: 0
Post by: Shades on December 05, 2009, 11:26:20 am
I tried to use my [classified] ability and it seems you can use them, although I got a failed result I don't think that was because it was classified.
I'm going to assume all town have beneficial actions so I'd recommend using them even if they are classified.
Curfews again as more day time is a good thing and we still don't know the status of it.
I'm going to vote Kashyyk as you've pretty much lurked accept when you've posted to say your not lurking.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 05, 2009, 02:53:12 pm
It seems I'm either paranoid or insane, So that's fun.
Anyway, Curfews would be a nice thing to have, Since it will probably be lylo tomorrow or the next day.
And Rooster What's with only showing up at the end of the day yesterday?
Post by: Rooster on December 05, 2009, 03:21:39 pm
You're clearly mistaken. I was active this whole time. Maybe not posting as much as Alexhans, but still active, as opposed to a pair of people *COUGHORGANDKASHYYKCOUGH*
And.
You're (probably) 75% Scum.
Weird that you're alive.
Now you have to say what you got on your investigation.
Org, say something. Now.
Do you think Magma Death said he was cop to save his ass? Or is he telling the truth?
I think it's the first one.
Curfews
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 05, 2009, 03:40:57 pm
Bleh, being role blocked sucks.
It seems I'm either paranoid or insane, So that's fun.
Anyway, Curfews would be a nice thing to have, Since it will probably be lylo tomorrow or the next day.
And Rooster What's with only showing up at the end of the day yesterday?
Post by: Org on December 05, 2009, 04:44:55 pm
Free speech
Ive been gone all day
Post by: Rooster on December 05, 2009, 05:21:59 pm
MagmaDeath
Why? Because there is a 99% chance there are no more role-blockers.
Mr.Person was one, and I bet that even IF there was one(townie side), they wouldn't be so stupid to block a claimed cop.
In short, you're scum Magma.
Post by: Eduren on December 05, 2009, 05:38:23 pm
I'm going to assume all town have beneficial actions so I'd recommend using them even if they are classified.This is pretty bad advice. You could end up roleblocking a townie or protecting a scum.
Curfews
Post by: Shades on December 05, 2009, 08:29:23 pm
I'm going to assume all town have beneficial actions so I'd recommend using them even if they are classified.This is pretty bad advice. You could end up roleblocking a townie or protecting a scum.
My ability is issue based, sorry it didn't occur to me other abilities might be classified. Your right of course that any non-issue ability could be dangerous to use.
Post by: Eduren on December 05, 2009, 08:42:51 pm
Post by: Org on December 05, 2009, 09:33:09 pm
Org: You seemed pretty determined that Alex was a Stalinist. What made you change your mind?I started to think he wasnt, which is why I unvoted
Post by: Eduren on December 05, 2009, 09:35:08 pm
Yes, but what caused you second guessing it? Something he said?Org: You seemed pretty determined that Alex was a Stalinist. What made you change your mind?I started to think he wasnt, which is why I unvoted
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 05, 2009, 09:42:05 pm
UnvoteI'm going to assume all town have beneficial actions so I'd recommend using them even if they are classified.This is pretty bad advice. You could end up roleblocking a townie or protecting a scum.
My ability is issue based, sorry it didn't occur to me other abilities might be classified. Your right of course that any non-issue ability could be dangerous to use.
Shades
WHAT ABILITY IS THIS?
You just gave yourself away scummy.
Are you having fun locking Censorship in place,
Or moderating our liberated issues?
Also, I'm not scum, I''m truely a cop.
That's what I wanted to know Org.Rooster, There was another role blocker.
MagmaDeath
Why? Because there is a 99% chance there are no more role-blockers.
Mr.Person was one, and I bet that even IF there was one(townie side), they wouldn't be so stupid to block a claimed cop.
In short, you're scum Magma.
Remember, people have 2 ability's, not just one.
Since I'm truly a cop, and people should realize that, They would definetly block me, Just to see If I would know.
Doesn't being right about him not being human count for ANYTHING?
Post by: Shades on December 05, 2009, 09:47:21 pm
WHAT ABILITY IS THIS?
You just gave yourself away scummy.
Are you having fun locking Censorship in place,
Or moderating our liberated issues?
Your officially an idiot.
I tried to use my [classified] ability and it seems you can use them, although I got a failed result I don't think that was because it was classified.
So that would be my classified ability so I have no idea what it does and I got a failed result. Please read before you open your mouth.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 05, 2009, 09:49:46 pm
So, How do you know that it is issue related?WHAT ABILITY IS THIS?
You just gave yourself away scummy.
Are you having fun locking Censorship in place,
Or moderating our liberated issues?
Your officially an idiot.I tried to use my [classified] ability and it seems you can use them, although I got a failed result I don't think that was because it was classified.
So that would be my classified ability so I have no idea what it does and I got a failed result. Please read before you open your mouth.
Post by: Shades on December 05, 2009, 09:57:53 pm
So, How do you know that it is issue related?
Interesting so you don't have your role pm divided by abilities under the three titles on what type they are? Is that because you are scum? MagmaDeath
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 05, 2009, 10:02:02 pm
And...So, How do you know that it is issue related?
Interesting so you don't have your role pm divided by abilities under the three titles on what type they are? Is that because you are scum? MagmaDeath
That was what I was going to say If you hadn't given a good reason..
I happen to have no issue abilitys whatsoever, Only my active, Cop, and then a passive one.
Post by: Shades on December 05, 2009, 10:08:13 pm
And...
That was what I was going to say If you hadn't given a good reason..
I happen to have no issue abilitys whatsoever, Only my active, Cop, and then a passive one.
Hmm, thing is you'd say that if you where scum who just realised their mistake too :/
Post by: Org on December 05, 2009, 10:20:16 pm
Dont know.Yes, but what caused you second guessing it? Something he said?Org: You seemed pretty determined that Alex was a Stalinist. What made you change your mind?I started to think he wasnt, which is why I unvoted
Post by: Alexhans on December 05, 2009, 11:10:58 pm
Go Town!!! I know you can do it.
I'm watching you.
Alexhans (martyr of the cause)
PS: Damn you Exkirby. You wasted my revival. Nice job.
Post by: Eduren on December 06, 2009, 01:14:44 am
Then why were you so eager to lynch him in the first place? If you changed your mind so easily then your initial suspicions couldn't have been that sound.Dont know.Yes, but what caused you second guessing it? Something he said?Org: You seemed pretty determined that Alex was a Stalinist. What made you change your mind?I started to think he wasnt, which is why I unvoted
How about this: Come up with one reason, one post, or even one quote describing your thought process towards Alex. If you can't, then you are either scum, or functionally retarded.
Post by: Rooster on December 06, 2009, 05:29:17 am
Doesn't being right about him not being human count for ANYTHING?
Could've been a lucky guess.
I'm watching you untill you fully prove your innocence, or until somebody else slips up THAT badly.
Post by: Org on December 06, 2009, 10:17:22 am
I wanted to piss him off for saying I was bad.Then why were you so eager to lynch him in the first place? If you changed your mind so easily then your initial suspicions couldn't have been that sound.Dont know.Yes, but what caused you second guessing it? Something he said?Org: You seemed pretty determined that Alex was a Stalinist. What made you change your mind?I started to think he wasnt, which is why I unvoted
How about this: Come up with one reason, one post, or even one quote describing your thought process towards Alex. If you can't, then you are either scum, or functionally retarded.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 06, 2009, 06:29:21 pm
Curfews: Shades, MagmaDeath, Rooster, Eduren [4]
Free Speech: Org [1]
Vote count (Crunch time.):
MagmaDeath: Org, Rooster, Shades [3]
Org: eduren [1]
Shades: MagmaDeath [1]
Not voting: Kashyyk [1]
Post by: Eduren on December 06, 2009, 09:58:36 pm
You... wanted to piss him off? So your whole argument about how he was a Stalinist was because you wanted to get back at him?I wanted to piss him off for saying I was bad.Then why were you so eager to lynch him in the first place? If you changed your mind so easily then your initial suspicions couldn't have been that sound.Dont know.Yes, but what caused you second guessing it? Something he said?Org: You seemed pretty determined that Alex was a Stalinist. What made you change your mind?I started to think he wasnt, which is why I unvoted
How about this: Come up with one reason, one post, or even one quote describing your thought process towards Alex. If you can't, then you are either scum, or functionally retarded.
That is the most anti-town thing you have ever said! A townie would never throw their vote around for petty spite, let alone when the person is already starting to be bandwagonned!
Did you EVER really think that he was scum/stalinist?
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 04:40:19 pm
Yes.You... wanted to piss him off? So your whole argument about how he was a Stalinist was because you wanted to get back at him?I wanted to piss him off for saying I was bad.Then why were you so eager to lynch him in the first place? If you changed your mind so easily then your initial suspicions couldn't have been that sound.Dont know.Yes, but what caused you second guessing it? Something he said?Org: You seemed pretty determined that Alex was a Stalinist. What made you change your mind?I started to think he wasnt, which is why I unvoted
How about this: Come up with one reason, one post, or even one quote describing your thought process towards Alex. If you can't, then you are either scum, or functionally retarded.
That is the most anti-town thing you have ever said! A townie would never throw their vote around for petty spite, let alone when the person is already starting to be bandwagonned!
Did you EVER really think that he was scum/stalinist?
I have said worse...
Post by: Kashyyk on December 07, 2009, 05:08:02 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 07, 2009, 06:54:04 pm
MagmaDeath, I concur with Shades. I only have one ability, (Issue related) but I still had three headings; active, passive and Issue.So, Jumping on my bandwagon?
You might be the one locking the issues in place eh?
Anyway, I have a none under my Issue ability slot, So yeah.
I also have a classified passive ability, No idea what it is.
I am town, So you're just wasting one of our precious lynches
Post by: Eduren on December 07, 2009, 08:05:36 pm
Wake up people! We got scum to find.
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 08:12:37 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 07, 2009, 08:21:42 pm
Go hide in the corner like the scum you are.
Post by: Org on December 07, 2009, 08:22:23 pm
Post by: Shades on December 08, 2009, 03:25:40 am
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 08, 2009, 12:50:49 pm
I should have changed my vote from rooster in my last post.
Sorry about that rooster.
Unvote
Kashyyk
Post by: Rooster on December 08, 2009, 01:25:10 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 08, 2009, 02:26:42 pm
Bleh, being role blocked sucks.
It seems I'm either paranoid or insane, So that's fun.
Anyway, Curfews would be a nice thing to have, Since it will probably be lylo tomorrow or the next day.
And Rooster What's with only showing up at the end of the day yesterday?
Post by: Kashyyk on December 08, 2009, 02:54:26 pm
It is not a bandwagon. I dislike bandwagons, occasionally I don't actually vote for the person I think deserves because I believe it would be bandwagoning.
Shades, Alexhans is wrong this time. My ability is Community Service, which I used last night to raise Accountability to moderate and I don't think that this game is bastard mod enough to give the scum liberalizing abilities, so I'm not scum.
I find it funny that there is now a tie between me and Magmadeath. Towny or Scum, which one do you want to lynch?
Post by: Shades on December 08, 2009, 05:28:58 pm
I find it funny that there is now a tie between me and Magmadeath. Towny or Scum, which one do you want to lynch?
At this point I think your both scum so either is good for me. Although Org also strikes me as scum but that would make three scum and there is only two left in the game.
Post by: Shades on December 08, 2009, 05:29:50 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 08, 2009, 05:40:26 pm
In 2 days + extensions time if moderate.
Whenever hammer is reached if Liberal.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 08, 2009, 06:47:12 pm
Can you set an exact time such as 24:00 GMT on Thursday?
Post by: Leafsnail on December 09, 2009, 10:30:40 am
Post by: Eduren on December 09, 2009, 10:32:59 pm
What the hell. You obviously jumped on a bandwagon. And when confronted about it, you say simply "No I didn't."
Post by: Eduren on December 09, 2009, 10:35:52 pm
Post by: Rooster on December 10, 2009, 08:18:28 am
Post by: Shades on December 10, 2009, 11:26:28 am
Was that more than 50%?
Have to say I'm concerned you don't know how many players are alive, for future reference the first post lists the current game state. (which seems to be common for mafia here)
Post by: Shades on December 10, 2009, 11:28:26 am
My ability is Community Service, which I used last night to raise Accountability to moderate and I don't think that this game is bastard mod enough to give the scum liberalizing abilities
No one wants to counter claim this?
I have to ask why accountability rather than censorship or curfews Kashyyk?
Post by: Rooster on December 10, 2009, 12:03:00 pm
Was that more than 50%?
Have to say I'm concerned you don't know how many players are alive, for future reference the first post lists the current game state. (which seems to be common for mafia here)
7 now.
Post by: Rooster on December 10, 2009, 12:03:25 pm
My bad
Post by: Kashyyk on December 10, 2009, 02:52:58 pm
Eduren: As I said, in my opinion it is not a bandwagon, however you obviously believe it is.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2009, 05:07:40 pm
Curfews: Shades, MagmaDeath, Rooster, Eduren [4]
Free Speech: Org [1]
Vote count:
MagmaDeath: Org, Rooster, Kashyyk [3]
Kashyyk: Shades, MagmaDeath, eduren [3]
Please report any errors. Day will end very soon, probably around 22:30 GMT. Current result = No Lynch.
Post by: Shades on December 10, 2009, 05:38:25 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2009, 05:52:41 pm
Vote count:
Curfews: Shades, MagmaDeath, Rooster, Eduren [4]
Free Speech: Org [1]
Vote count:
MagmaDeath: Org, Rooster, Kashyyk, Shades [4]
Kashyyk: MagmaDeath, eduren [2]
"Comon!" says MagmaDeath, "I inspected Alex! I'm a cop, I swear!"
"Why the heck did you say he was guilty then?" Shades looks at MagmaDeath with disdain. "Perhaps you're just another conservative police officer?"
"I'm not! I swear! I love lib-"
A single shot rings out from the rifle, and MagmaDeath falls to the ground. A search of him reveals... almost nothing. In horror, you realize what you've done.
MagmaDeath, Political Activist, Liberal Cop has been lynched.
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Active abilities:
Sleuth: You can inspect one player each night to learn their political allegiance.
Passive abilities:
Enraptured: [CLASSIFIED] >You have fallen deeply in love with Kashyyk. You will act as a bodyguard for them every night for as long as they are alive.<
Issue abilities:
None
You are comforted by your successful changing of the law with regard to curfews, however. Tonight, however... you will have to just hope.
Noone is allowed to pm anyone else. The mafia may use their quicktopic.
The day continues until a majority vote is reached on one player/ half of the votes are on "No Lynch"
The name of each team and the number of players alive in each team is displayed with every votecount and at the start of each phase.
Rolename, alignment and role pm are revealed on death. All roles will flip according to their alignment and abilities, with death miller abilities overridden.
Some flavour will be given on kills, but the source of the kill will still be in doubt.
Some elements of role pms may be [CLASSIFIED].
Teams:
Liberals: 3
Conservatives: 1
Stalinists: 1
Super-Mutant: 0
Post by: Leafsnail on December 13, 2009, 05:37:18 am
Shades, Prostitute, Liberal Admirer has been killed in the night.
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Active abilities:
None
Passive abilities:
Room Service: Every night, you will "motivate" dakarian, giving him an extra vote during the next phase. >You also roleblock him<
Issue abilities:
Appease the Master: [CLASSIFIED] >You will knock the issue that BUDDY1 voted for on the previous day one block towards liberal each night<
Next you head down to Rooster's room and... ugh. He's lying on the corridor in a huge pool of barely congealed blood. He also seems to be holding an icepick... perhaps this was the weapon that has been causing these strange injuries?
Rooster, Secret Informant, Stalinist Godfather has been killed in the night.
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Active abilities:
None
Passive abilities:
Moderate Veil: You appear as liberal to investigations. Your alignment will also appear as "Liberal" if you are killed when the Roleflips issue is conservative or moderate.
Faceless Army: All actions targetting you are redirected to BUDDY1 and vice versa.
Issue abilities:
Censorship for the People: Every night, as long as you are alive, the "censorship" issue will move one space towards conservatism automatically. This does not happen if you choose to use [REDACTED], however.
You decide to take a quick look at the revised Liberal agenda.
Noone is allowed to pm anyone else. The mafia may use their quicktopic.
A non-negotiable deadline of 4 real life days (weekend counts as one day) is placed on each dayphase.
The name of each team and the number of players alive in each team is displayed with every votecount and at the start of each phase.
Rolename, alignment and role pm are revealed on death. All roles will flip according to their alignment and abilities, with death miller abilities overridden.
Some flavour will be given on kills, but the source of the kill will still be in doubt.
Some elements of role pms may be [CLASSIFIED]. This law seems to be rigidly locked in place, at least for now.
The battle has reached its final phase. Good luck, liberals.
Liberals: 2
Conservatives: 1
Stalinists: 0
Super-Mutant: 0
Post by: Rooster on December 13, 2009, 08:22:32 am
You'll need it.
(I finally died at night! Huzah!)
Post by: Org on December 13, 2009, 09:12:44 am
Free Speech
Post by: Eduren on December 13, 2009, 05:53:58 pm
Well now. Its me an another against someone. I am town.There's not much point in issue voting, it's lylo.
Free Speech
Post by: Org on December 13, 2009, 05:58:17 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 13, 2009, 08:00:25 pm
Kashyyk: I still don't understand why you jumped on Magma's bandwagon. I don't care what you call it, but to anybody else it seems to be a bandwagon.
Post by: Rooster on December 14, 2009, 09:08:28 am
That's a pity that Alex and Frelock are gone...
Post by: Kashyyk on December 14, 2009, 11:39:01 am
Because I believed he was scum, why else would someone vote to lynch a person? And I admit it does look like a bandwagon, but I really hate them, which was why I tried to dress it up as something else.
Also, I tried to do Censorship last night but it was 'impossible'. Probably because it got locked.
Also Org, Eduren, who do you think is the last conservative? (I'm going to be re-reading the thread for a bit, which is why I haven't said myself yet)
Post by: Leafsnail on December 14, 2009, 11:43:44 am
Nothing's going on...You're dead and scum. Shush.
That's a pity that Alex and Frelock are gone...
Post by: Org on December 14, 2009, 04:30:54 pm
@eduren:You.
Because I believed he was scum, why else would someone vote to lynch a person? And I admit it does look like a bandwagon, but I really hate them, which was why I tried to dress it up as something else.
Also, I tried to do Censorship last night but it was 'impossible'. Probably because it got locked.
Also Org, Eduren, who do you think is the last conservative? (I'm going to be re-reading the thread for a bit, which is why I haven't said myself yet)
Post by: Kashyyk on December 14, 2009, 04:48:55 pm
Post by: Org on December 14, 2009, 06:35:39 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 14, 2009, 07:27:08 pm
@eduren:So you were trying to make it look like something it was not? It was a bandwagon and you should have acknowledged that.
Because I believed he was scum, why else would someone vote to lynch a person? And I admit it does look like a bandwagon, but I really hate them, which was why I tried to dress it up as something else.
Also Org, Eduren, who do you think is the last conservative? (I'm going to be re-reading the thread for a bit, which is why I haven't said myself yet)Org is the last conservative.
He has not acted in the interests of town all game. He has admitted to serving his own interests and manipulating people.
I looked back through the thread for a link to Frelock. They had mostly avoided each other, and Frelock only voted him once in order to get him to explain himself; which smelled of scum interacting in order to put on a show.
More damning evidence?
Vote count (Lynching):They piled onto Exkirby.
ExKirby: Rooster, Org, Frelock [3]
Post by: Org on December 14, 2009, 07:45:45 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 14, 2009, 07:55:29 pm
Post by: Org on December 14, 2009, 08:20:11 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 14, 2009, 08:27:58 pm
Do you mind enlightening us to your thought process?
Post by: Kashyyk on December 15, 2009, 02:00:25 pm
But enough of my paranoia. Org, what makes you to believe it is Eduren?
Also, when is the end of the day, we need to decide by then.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 15, 2009, 02:13:31 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 15, 2009, 02:50:39 pm
Also Eduren, I just remembered. Why do you think that I am not a conservative?
Post by: Eduren on December 15, 2009, 03:47:54 pm
Post by: Org on December 15, 2009, 04:38:08 pm
ROLECLAIM TIME
I am Liberal COward Janitor
Post by: Kashyyk on December 15, 2009, 04:54:13 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 15, 2009, 05:01:21 pm
Post by: Org on December 15, 2009, 06:23:26 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 15, 2009, 08:02:12 pm
DOnt worry whoever else is town. I am a reviver. Teehee.My vote counts as two, which makes me win! Unless, you know, something goes horribly, horribly wrong.Why would you claim this?
Post by: Org on December 15, 2009, 10:05:12 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 16, 2009, 11:12:32 am
Post by: Org on December 16, 2009, 02:36:36 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 16, 2009, 03:47:12 pm
Post by: Org on December 16, 2009, 03:59:58 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 16, 2009, 04:11:31 pm
Post by: Org on December 16, 2009, 04:12:08 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 17, 2009, 01:51:15 am
Kashyyk: You are not looking for scum today. Period. Do you care? You seem to be standing back and waiting for the deadline so that you can jump on either Org or myself. If you are town, then you are doing one terrible job of lylo. If you are scum, then I just found you. So get out here and get hunting.
Post by: Kashyyk on December 17, 2009, 02:54:02 am
Org, you are acting more scummy than you normally do, so I think I will have to vote you.
Post by: Org on December 17, 2009, 07:04:55 am
Which means town loses
Post by: Org on December 17, 2009, 12:26:25 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 18, 2009, 03:00:55 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 18, 2009, 03:11:45 pm
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 03:19:06 pm
Post by: Kashyyk on December 18, 2009, 03:21:22 pm
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 04:04:48 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 18, 2009, 04:28:07 pm
I am going to vote my original suspicion. Org
Post by: Kashyyk on December 18, 2009, 04:29:54 pm
Post by: Alexhans on December 18, 2009, 04:48:23 pm
Eduren had the majority of the votes so he was effectively hammered... 2 is the majority of 3 you know??
Quote from: MOD
The day continues until a majority vote is reached on one player/ half of the votes are on "No Lynch"
I'm not even gonna stress about the amount of fail in this game... Right to the very end...
Post by: Eduren on December 18, 2009, 04:56:35 pm
Noone is allowed to pm anyone else. The mafia may use their quicktopic.
A non-negotiable deadline of 4 real life days (weekend counts as one day) is placed on each dayphase.
The name of each team and the number of players alive in each team is displayed with every votecount and at the start of each phase.
Rolename, alignment and role pm are revealed on death. All roles will flip according to their alignment and abilities, with death miller abilities overridden.
Some flavour will be given on kills, but the source of the kill will still be in doubt.
Some elements of role pms may be [CLASSIFIED]. This law seems to be rigidly locked in place, at least for now.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 18, 2009, 05:08:00 pm
Dayphase over. Please wait while I get the flavour text written.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 18, 2009, 05:32:41 pm
"Yes..." mumbles Eduren. "I have."
"Well, let's get this over with, shall we?" The pair look over at Org... but he's gone! They run out of the building just in time to see Org waving from the back of a bus. He has a sad and apologetic look on his face, and mouths "Sorry" to the last two members of the Liberal Crime Squad.
Kashyyk collapses to his knees. "That means... Org was... he was the... he must have been..."
Org, Janitor, Liberal Coward has been lynched.
Quote
Active abilities:
Liberal Withdrawal: Once per game, during the day phase, you may withdraw. You will appear as "missing" until the next morning phase, when you return. You will not be able to vote, be lynched or be targeted by any night actions.
Passive abilities:
Dead Man Squawking: If you are lynched, you will remain alive for one night phase and one day phase before being killed. However, you will not be able to vote on the day after you've been lynched.
Issue abilities:
Liberal Disgust: [CLASSIFIED] >Activation of the "Dead Man Squawking" ability will cause that day's law liberalization to fail.
"So... that means..." Kashyyk turns to face Eduren, but Eduren cannot even make eye contact with Kashyyk.
"Sorry..." says Eduren. "So... sorry... but I have to do this..." Eduren draws a long, thin blade out of her back pocket. "They... told me... they told me he could do the killing! I just had to be present! I just had to..." Eduren breaks eye contact with Kashyyk once again. She cries, but is startled awake by the crack of a rifle.
Kashyyk, Liberal, Liberal Secret Death Miller, has failed the Liberal Crime Squad.
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Active abilities:
None
Passive abilities:
>Marxist Symphasizer: You will flip as Stalinist on death if the Roleflips issue is moderate or conservative.<
Issue abilities:
Community Service: [CLASSIFIED] >You can send me the name of an issue each night. That issue will be moved one block towards liberalism on the next night.<
Eduren looks down at Kashyyk's body in a daze. This is it. She won't have to do this anymore. She can leave now. Eduren, forcing herself into a composed state of mind, sheaves her blade and begins to walk away, slowly at first, but faster and faster until she is running. She eventually reaches the Desert Eagle Bar & Grill.
"Mission successful" she says, looking down. "Now, I believe there was some talk about compensation..."
Eduren, Gentlemen's Club Entertainer (and inferior woman), Conservative Roleblocker has completed her last assignment and won.
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Active abilities:Frelock, Police Gang Unit, has furthered the Conservative cause, and won.
Special Entertainment: Once per night, you may send me a player's name. You will "entertain" that player, making them unable to use any active or issue abilities that night. They will, unsurprisingly, be aware of this.
Passive abilities:
None
Issue abilities:
None
***
Somewhere deep in the abandoned compound, a body denied death rises to its feet. "Ugh..." says Pandarsenic, "I haven't had a beating like that in ages." He looks around, and realises that everyone is gone. "I guess this means I lose... but some day, somehow, I'll be back!"
Game over. The conservatives, Frelock and Eduren, win! Everyone else has lost. Full info coming sometime tomorrow, although you're welcome to ask specific questions.
I now hand over to Alexhans for a long rant about the game.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 18, 2009, 05:41:55 pm
The Liberal Elite were Pandarsenic, Frelock, ExKirby, MagmaDeath and Org.
Every night the Stalinists could conservatise and issue and the Conservatives could freeze one.
The kill methods of the 5 scum in moderate were:
Pandarsenic - Dissolved
Mr.Person - Irradiated
Rooster - Ice Pick'd
Eduren - Stabbed
Frelock - Machine Gunned
The quickchats were:
Conservatives:
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/UGvG4R64HefD
Stalinists:
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/gqAvxKFbfd2
Liberal Dead Chat:
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/ydZpZ3s4Dnh
Post by: dakarian on December 18, 2009, 05:45:52 pm
That's all I have to say for the moment.
Post by: Eduren on December 18, 2009, 05:47:43 pm
The remaining town were either newbies or people that didn't really care.
Please don't let this game sour you on bay12.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 18, 2009, 05:50:35 pm
The fact that Rooster decided to use his last conservatisation on Curfews was also very lucky for Eduren :P.
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 05:51:34 pm
You douche.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 18, 2009, 05:53:55 pm
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 05:54:27 pm
Post by: dakarian on December 18, 2009, 05:55:19 pm
Btw, I want a full mark of who needed prods and who flaked/replaced here. It's time we dealt with those 'do not cares'.
And forced unvoting is for BM games and for large games where it's hard to keep track. If the host can keep up then no reason to force it.
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 05:57:38 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 18, 2009, 06:04:49 pm
Sorry, I can't exactly get to the computer that often, due to me starting to prepare for finals.I prodded bulborish twice, and eventually got this response.
So, I am now Out, meaning you need a Replacement
I am going to have to drop out of this, sorry
I should point out that in both cases this was the last post the user has made anywhere on the Bay 12 forums.
Post by: dakarian on December 18, 2009, 06:12:16 pm
Humaan would have 1 prod and one replace
Bulb would have 2 prods and one replace.
Flake/forced replace is when the host decides to replace someone.
heading off to update
Post by: Frelock on December 18, 2009, 06:24:24 pm
Out of curiosity, Rooster, did you kill me because you knew I was scum, or because you thought I was a good town player? Thanks for the compliments in your scum chat by the way.
Also, I could have sworn magmadeath was scum; he got a result on an aesthetic. How did that work out?
Post by: Mr.Person on December 18, 2009, 06:54:34 pm
Post by: Org on December 18, 2009, 07:29:26 pm
Post by: Rooster on December 18, 2009, 07:37:51 pm
Seriously I was killed by a prostitute...
For a moment there I was going to kill alexhans.... but it wasn't me as you now know.
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I will roleblock Rooster because I am getting power-role vibes off of him.
Eduren: Oh, you can block me any time baby, too bad you had to kill me ;D
Post by: Eduren on December 18, 2009, 08:05:59 pm
Eduren: Oh, you can block me any time baby, too bad you had to kill me ;DAlright but it'll cost you.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 18, 2009, 08:23:18 pm
Yea scumbuddy!! I knew you could pull it off!He was lying, for some reason.
Out of curiosity, Rooster, did you kill me because you knew I was scum, or because you thought I was a good town player? Thanks for the compliments in your scum chat by the way.
Also, I could have sworn magmadeath was scum; he got a result on an aesthetic. How did that work out?
Post by: Kashyyk on December 19, 2009, 06:14:20 am
I told you guys we should have liberalized Cencorship! See where it got us?
Post by: Rooster on December 19, 2009, 07:26:26 am
Post by: Kashyyk on December 19, 2009, 07:27:17 am
Post by: Leafsnail on December 19, 2009, 10:33:19 am