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[a1s]

I'm sure somebody will exploit the hell outta that core abandoning mechanic. Because there is pretty much no other way to realistically use it.

I don't want to watch an hour long video, so
I'm assuming the logical thing: you can abandon cores on foreign soil. If that's true, then the underlying reality isn't so much "we actively renounce our claim on that territory, may it burn forever in hell fire", but more of "tell the diplomatic corps to stop mentioning how outrageous it is that territory isn't ours at every dinner. It's... no longer a priority".

[Micro102]

I have to say not being able to abandon a core is a bit silly. I got a piece of territory int he new world that got cut off from the shore and thus I couldn't core it. No point in letting it sit there giving me negative prestige.

[EnigmaticHat]

That's the whole original point of a core though, is that in the eyes of the people it is your territory.  If you don't control it people will think less of you, that's just how it is.

Of course it used to be it took 60 years for a territory to become core.  Now its like ~2 unless you intentionally wait.  Letting them be abandoned at will just makes it weirder.  If they're just going to let cores be created and destroyed at the drop of a hat they might as well start calling them something else because they're nothing like how the mechanic worked in older games.

[LordSlowpoke]

so during one of ddr's ryukyu streams, a certain other streamer was mentioned

namely legendarymarvin

hope you speak german

demonstration: chimu fuckery

marvin doesn't even have any pretenses of giving a fuck, though, as noted by what i think was rampant savescumming in the demonstration video

he's also credited with defeating otto as albania

[Rakonas]

That's the whole original point of a core though, is that in the eyes of the people it is your territory.  If you don't control it people will think less of you, that's just how it is.

Of course it used to be it took 60 years for a territory to become core.  Now its like ~2 unless you intentionally wait.  Letting them be abandoned at will just makes it weirder.  If they're just going to let cores be created and destroyed at the drop of a hat they might as well start calling them something else because they're nothing like how the mechanic worked in older games.

Cores mean nothing except that they cost x mana and provide y numerical benefits. There's no consistent logic as to what a core is that can really be applied. In EU3 it was tenuous and almost believable but in EU4 it can't be that people consider the provinces to be yours, since forming countries only gives you claims (each of which would only take a year to fabricate anyway). Better that you can drop cores because you can have your cores "revoked" in peace deals, as if the people of your country will forever forget that some province was once a part of your nation just because you lost a second war.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

First Art of War Dev Diary has been up for a while.

India is looking pretty damn good. Even more provinces for glorious Kochin to spread the empire of pink.

[a1s]

Cores mean nothing

Cores mean too much, actually. The core is an amalgamation of 3 interconnected, but very different concepts:

• "The world is more or less in agreement we have a claim on this land"
• "Our own people are more or less in agreement the land ought to be ours "
• "The locals of this land are more or less in agreement that our country should rule them"

It's like putting taxation level and economic prosperity into one variable (which is another thing EU does).

[Dutchling]

EU doesn't really have local taxation level. Not saying that's better than combining the two, but they are really not combined.

[a1s]

EU doesn't really have local taxation level.

Well, no. However half the fluff refers to the base tax value as taxes and the other half as the economy.

[kaian-a-coel]

EU doesn't really have local taxation level. Not saying that's better than combining the two, but they are really not combined.

AoW will add that it seems, with the "local autonomy" variable, counted per province. it's a negative % modifier to the tax income.
So base tax will be the economy, and local autonomy represent the local taxation of that economy.

[Culise]

EU doesn't really have local taxation level. Not saying that's better than combining the two, but they are really not combined.

AoW will add that it seems, with the "local autonomy" variable, counted per province. it's a negative % modifier to the tax income.
So base tax will be the economy, and local autonomy represent the local taxation of that economy.

Local autonomy will actually represent practical control by the central government, and only indirectly taxes, which could potentially lead to even more potential issues with conflation of disparate concepts.

That said, the India improvements look quite interesting.  One step closer to Bengali Universalis.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

New Dev Diary.

Spoiler: the important (click to show/hide)

Marches
Marches are a new type of subject that can be created from existing vassals. By designating your vassal as a March, you are giving that vassal greatly expanded autonomy in exchange for greater military service. A March does not pay taxes to its Overlord and cannot be diplomatically annexed. However, they get a 25% bonus to manpower, a 30% bonus to force limits and have 20% better fort defense, making them useful as military buffers against enemy states, or when you simply need additional soldiers more than you need the income from those territories. March status can be retracted, but doing so results in a stability hit and a very large opinion penalty with the vassal whose autonomy you just revoked.

Unrest & Rebels

The old system of revolt risk, with a chance of rebels spawning in a province by random chance every month has gone the way of the dodo. It was a system that has served us well through many versions of Europa Universalis, but we think we have something better.

The new concept reflecting unhappy subjects is called unrest. Unrest in a province will affect how quickly regiments and ships can be recruited there, but it has no direct impact on your economy, since we've introduced Local Autonomy to cover that side of the ledger.

Every province is aligned with one possible rebel faction. Each month, every province has a chance (depending on its unrest level) to see an increase in the progress of an uprising from the local rebels. When the progress reaches 100%, the faction rises up in revolt with as many stacks it has support for, and the unrest is reduced in those provinces - they have expressed their anger through arms and it's up to you to put them down.

Because unrest can happen anywhere, building courthouses and employing theologians is now a good strategy to reduce general unrest, not to mention adopting a few policies to placate the masses. The old tyrannical standby of Harsh Treatment now targets rebel factions instead of provinces and reduces the progress towards an uprising from that faction at a cost in MIL points, scaled to the size of this particular rebel faction. This change means we should get less micromanagement and more direct control of popular satisfaction in the hands of the player.

There is also no longer a distinction between accepted and enforced demands from successful rebellions. A rebel faction's demands are always the same.

In a more positive change, any Rebels that are friendly to you, either through culture or support will lift Fog of War for you.

[...blah blah blah, some stuff about ROTW you'll never play, you BBB whore.]

[Sergarr]

Cue somebody immediately finding a way to enforce AI to make you it's March and then exploiting the resulting bonuses to conquer the world.

[a1s]

Cue somebody immediately finding a way to enforce AI to make you it's March and then exploiting the resulting bonuses to conquer the world.

You can't declare wars as a vassal.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

[spoiler=the important]Marches
Marches are a new type of subject that can be created from existing vassals. By designating your vassal as a March, you are giving that vassal greatly expanded autonomy in exchange for greater military service. A March does not pay taxes to its Overlord and cannot be diplomatically annexed. However, they get a 25% bonus to manpower, a 30% bonus to force limits and have 20% better fort defense, making them useful as military buffers against enemy states, or when you simply need additional soldiers more than you need the income from those territories. March status can be retracted, but doing so results in a stability hit and a very large opinion penalty with the vassal whose autonomy you just revoked.

O...kay... There's no reason to make marches, then. Your vassal simply gets free manpower and doesn't have to pay you money [one of the main ways I limit vassal power is limiting their income], yet you can't ever diplo-annex or force them to allow you to control their soldiers [leaving it up to the simply god-awful war AI to let them control their soldiers for you]. Why would I make a march? There's literally 0 benefits to the real life player in this situation. Just gives the shitty diplomatic AI another reason to not be a good vassal despite you having created the entirety of their nation.


Expanding on this, WHY would I ever need a march? One situation where a totally useless vassal that you can't directly control the military of being more useful than a vassal who pays you income and can be annexed. I can't think of it. The only possibility of marches being useful is if they make it so your vassal has +200 relations. Otherwise the AI simply will break off as soon as it can with the free soldiers and money it [thinks] it has.

By the time you're hand-crafting marches to 'defend your empire from outside forces' you've already blobbed to the point that your own manpower is likely plenty, plenty enough. The only time a march would be useful is in early blobbing [if the AI was useful at warring, which it's not], but the thing is.. after you blob.. you don't need to make little vassals to give you 1k or more troops than another vassal type. Especially if it just becomes a roadblock to expansion forever.