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Re: Competition- An evolutionary suggestion game
« Reply #315 on: May 20, 2013, 03:19:01 pm »

Direct mating -1.

Burrowing hive +1.

Horizontal gene transfer : Basically, a system that allows for "usefull" genes to be transferred from a single specimen to another without needing offspring.
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Re: Competition- An evolutionary suggestion game
« Reply #316 on: May 20, 2013, 03:41:24 pm »

Horizontal gene transfer : Basically, a system that allows for "usefull" genes to be transferred from a single specimen to another without needing offspring.
There isn't really any way of knowing which gene is useful, and a successful animal is hardly going to give its genes to some randomer it doesn't know.
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« Reply #317 on: May 20, 2013, 03:43:14 pm »

Horizontal gene transfer : Basically, a system that allows for "usefull" genes to be transferred from a single specimen to another without needing offspring.
Tentative +1, horizontal gene transfes is almost unheard of in eukariotes, lets see how this plays out.

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Catal cast developes pouches of the digestive system to hold sybiotic algae. The pouches are near the outer surface and are translucent as is the skin over them


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Begin implanting eggs and hives into neorotoxin-disabled leggedgrinders.
good long range plan but first we need to make the soldier and catle guidelings air breathers. Theoreticly the hive can get its nutrition and resperation from interfacing with the leggedgrinder's circulatory system. burowing may even act as a pre adaptation, the tube for holding the tunel open would translate nicly, and the hive could develope a special pouch for holding our eggs, but for now we should focuse on the short term small steps.
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Re: Competition- An evolutionary suggestion game
« Reply #318 on: May 20, 2013, 03:48:48 pm »

Horizontal gene transfer : Basically, a system that allows for "usefull" genes to be transferred from a single specimen to another without needing offspring.
There isn't really any way of knowing which gene is useful, and a successful animal is hardly going to give its genes to some randomer it doesn't know.
The first part is a bit sticky, IRL the transfered information is usualy eaither randome, neare a virus insertion site, or on a specilized plasmid. Natural selection gets rid of the bad ones. The second part is simpler, its copy paste not cut and paste. the risk to the donar is neglagable (unless the recipeant is going to out compeate the donar afterwards)

Edit: oops! though for sure someone would ninja me and prevent this from being a double post, what with my typing speed and all
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Re: Competition- An evolutionary suggestion game
« Reply #319 on: May 20, 2013, 03:50:08 pm »

Horizontal gene transfer : Basically, a system that allows for "usefull" genes to be transferred from a single specimen to another without needing offspring.
There isn't really any way of knowing which gene is useful, and a successful animal is hardly going to give its genes to some randomer it doesn't know.
The first part is a bit sticky, IRL the transfered information is usualy eaither randome, neare a virus insertion site, or on a specilized plasmid. Natural selection gets rid of the bad ones. The second part is simpler, its copy paste not cut and paste. the risk to the donar is neglagable (unless the recipeant is going to out compeate the donar afterwards)
Yeah, that last bit. And it'd be way too much work to rewrite your ENTIRE genome just to get an extra bit in, that's what sexual reproduction is for.
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« Reply #320 on: May 20, 2013, 03:56:55 pm »

Horizontal gene transfer : Basically, a system that allows for "usefull" genes to be transferred from a single specimen to another without needing offspring.
There isn't really any way of knowing which gene is useful, and a successful animal is hardly going to give its genes to some randomer it doesn't know.
The first part is a bit sticky, IRL the transfered information is usualy eaither randome, neare a virus insertion site, or on a specilized plasmid. Natural selection gets rid of the bad ones. The second part is simpler, its copy paste not cut and paste. the risk to the donar is neglagable (unless the recipeant is going to out compeate the donar afterwards)
Yeah, that last bit. And it'd be way too much work to rewrite your ENTIRE genome just to get an extra bit in, that's what sexual reproduction is for.
You don't rewright the entire thing, just the part that is homologus to the donated part. IRL only a smal fragment is transfered, It lines up in part or in whole with a peice of the recipeant genome and they are swaped out by homolgus recombonation, or if its a plasmid it just gose into the cell cytoplasm, or if transmited with a virus (or potentialy a virus like particle) is just inserts into the genome at a sequence defind by the enzimes it came with. Horazontal gene transfer is complicated , mostly becuse of how many types there are.

Edit: this is shaping up to be a very scholorly quote pyramid :P

Edit2: you can get around the danger of being out compeated by the recipiant if youi only donate to individuals in the same pack and use group selection to make it profitable to bothe the donor and recipiant. If everyone in a group is working together then they arn't compeating against one another but rather against other groups
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Re: Competition- An evolutionary suggestion game
« Reply #321 on: May 20, 2013, 08:06:49 pm »

+1 to Horizontal Gene Transfer

I'd also like to suggest making the hive thingy mobile and like a giant snail thing.

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Re: Competition- An evolutionary suggestion game
« Reply #322 on: May 22, 2013, 01:14:45 pm »

Memory/learning x5
Scissor-claws x5
Better wings x5
Walk on wings x3
Contact sex x2
Hive in mud x3
Algae-symbiotic caste x1
Lay eggs x1
Implant offspring into leggedgrinders x2
MOAR SNIPAH NEUROTOXIN x1
Mobile hive x1

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Re: Competition- An evolutionary suggestion game
« Reply #323 on: May 22, 2013, 01:18:09 pm »

+1 to all.
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Re: Competition- An evolutionary suggestion game
« Reply #324 on: May 22, 2013, 01:20:20 pm »

+1 to contact sex
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Re: Competition- An evolutionary suggestion game
« Reply #325 on: May 22, 2013, 02:56:34 pm »

+1 to EVERYTHING!

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Re: Competition- An evolutionary suggestion game
« Reply #326 on: May 22, 2013, 05:15:11 pm »

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Re: Competition- An evolutionary suggestion game
« Reply #327 on: May 23, 2013, 10:39:13 am »

Well done guys. You have literally approved EVERYTHING ON THE ENTIRE LIST. The only thing that could be better is if you made an extra six things and approved them before I got back.

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Re: Competition- An evolutionary suggestion game
« Reply #328 on: May 23, 2013, 10:40:23 am »

Ok.
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Re: Competition- An evolutionary suggestion game
« Reply #329 on: May 23, 2013, 10:44:35 am »

Quick! post extra six things we can approve before he comes back!
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