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Current one, unchanged.

+4 AS and +5 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+2 AS and +3 DMG on Player Phase, with additional +2 AS and +2 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+1 AS and +1.5 DMG for each space moved up to 4 spaces.

Current one but AS bonus is converted to DR from the end of the Player Phase until the next one.

I don't know but I want to see the results.

[Squeegy]

I would assume things like this are in fact the thread's purpose; it's balance and ideas, after all, for every FEF. That's why I posted here.

[Swordstar]

Us continuing to talk about it doesn't really change anything though since it's not up to us. So we can go back to what we were doing before.

Speaking of, did we ever settle on a thing for Wyvern Knights?

[IronyOwl]

But the issue is in Toady's hands now. Not sure why we have to continue to divert attention from the thread's purpose.

Us continuing to talk about it doesn't really change anything though since it's not up to us. So we can go back to what we were doing before.

I get the feeling that figuring out if we actually want or need a subforum, and if so why, would be rather relevant to this. I was under the impression that the Toad's unsure and we're unsure, not that he's currently deliberating on his throne and will give us his decree in due time.

But, if you'd like to continue to discuss balance issues amidst the meta issues, I don't see the harm.

[Blade Master Model 42]

I'm not trying to imply you were wrong to do so, it's just that we've been talking about this for some time and I for one would like to get back to promoted classes.


@ Wyvern knights: I don't think we started on them yet here.

[Solymr]

These are the proposed specials for WK now that nullify is still full:
Reverse Musou (bonus AS and dmg for each 10 HP)
Bonus AS and dmg when over 70% HP or something.

And most people want us out of the main page so... :V
The name Further Journeys is ok for me, we can just put some welcoming thread explaining what the Further Journeys is.

[Blade Master Model 42]

Alright so let's get those details done.

Reverse Musou: For every 10 HP over 0 the character with this skill has, +1 AS and +2 DAM.

Dragonheart: When the character with this skill has 70% or more of their HP, +3 AS and 5 DAM.

Reverse Musou is a bit broken as it stands, since there's no risk in being at high health that Musou has. We could change it to 20 HP to nerf the possible benefits though, if people really like the idea and want to keep it though. I'm partial to the flat bonus myself.

[Solymr]

How about every 10 HP over 10 HP?

[Blade Master Model 42]

How about every 10 HP over 10 HP?

That could also address the issue slightly. Very slightly.

[Solymr]

When the cap on HP is 60 and no one has reached that cap yet it becomes quite significant.

[Blade Master Model 42]

When the cap on HP is 60 and no one has reached that cap yet it becomes quite significant.

The only reason it hasn't happened yet is that there have been no HP dependent builds yet.

That have been done well, anyway.

[Solymr]

How about the thing that has been going on in IRC:
+1 AS and +1 DEF for each 10 HP

[Culise]

When the cap on HP is 60 and no one has reached that cap yet it becomes quite significant.

The only reason it hasn't happened yet is that there have been no HP dependent builds yet.

That have been done well, anyway.

You make Raquel sad.  There's a reason for that 80% growth rate in HP. 

[Sirus]

And doesn't Alexander have something like a 100% HP growth?

[Culise]

Yep, and he hasn't cracked the limit, either.  In fact, I don't think he can - he's a level 16 General, and only at 54 HP. 

[IronyOwl]

I have to wonder about the design benefits of being stronger at full health than you are while injured. The reverse has some interesting tradeoffs; this just sounds kind of like losing twice every time you take damage.