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Voting closed: September 21, 2014, 09:36:21 pm

[Paaaad]

Are all of your Specimens in your backpack? I imagine another adventurer could pick them up if that's the case.

[Plancky]

Yep. I plan on sending a one dwarf search party.

[Timeless Bob]

It is like that on the site.  Off site, its much better.  And like I said, for whatever reason it was the best Ive had in this world @ the fort I built.

Which is odd because I was able to adventure around the museum without any particular trouble. We could do a 'raw genocide' on unicorns + rhesus macaque. They could be causing most of the lag.

[EDIT] Vaporizing the unicorns and rhesus macaque didn't do anything useful.

I'm going to see if the FPS is still bad in fortress mode.

[EDIT] Yeah, it seems to be an adventure mode problem. Taperedceilings is running pretty well in fortress mode.
pisskop, I guess you don't have any earlier saves? It's pretty brutal but at this point I think abandoning the current natural history museum location or abandoning your progress might be the only way to fix this.

I could move the collected items right to the edge of the fortress then an adventurer could fast travel right up to the outside of the fortress. He'd only have to move a couple of steps to get inside and pick up everything. Then he could take them all away to your fortress before someone (planky?) has the job of making a new natural museum site somewhere that doesn't have massive FPS problems.

Or, we could roll-back to before pisskop's turn.

Unless anybody else has any ideas? We could post in another forum asking for an FPS recovery expert.

[EDIT] I went ahead and did that.

[EDIT] On second thoughts, I think I overreacted a bit.  As long as the fortress mode FPS isn't too bad the adventurer can drop items right at the edge of the fortress map.  A suitable easy to find spot should be prepared for each fortress wing.

Most of the Museum buildings are built within five squares of an edge anyway, so dropping specimens off shouldn't prove too difficult.  What may be a good idea, however, is to pave a road completely around each embark so that there's a distinct line where adventures not in quick-travel mode know the site begins.

[pisskop]

Do what you do.  That fort is less than 6 months of work.

[Timeless Bob]

Do what you do:

Some friars were behind on their belfry payments, so
they opened up a small florist shop to raise the funds.

Since everyone liked to buy flowers from the men of
God, the rival florist across town thought the competition
was unfair. He asked the good fathers to close down, but
they would not. He went back and begged the friars to close.
They ignored him. He asked his mother to go and ask the
friars to get out of business. They ignored her, too.

So, the rival florist hired Hugh MacTaggart, the roughest
and most vicious thug in town, to "persuade" them to close.
Hugh beat up the friars and trashed their store, saying he'd
be back if they didn't close shop. Terrified, the friars did so.

The moral of this story:

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 Only Hugh can prevent Florist Friars.

Also: Have fun with this game, that's the whole point.

Good journal entrees, Planky! I like that you mention the weather and what you eat as well as a line or two about the various things seen each day.  Very nicely done.

[ptb_ptb]

Most of the Museum buildings are built within five squares of an edge anyway, so dropping specimens off shouldn't prove too difficult.

Lol, you missed a vital point.  The museum buildings (with one exception) are next to the inside corner. So you have to walk all the way across the fortress area to get to them.

What is needed is a small drop-off point on the outside corner. I suggest using two raised bridges as they can be built near the real edge.

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[Timeless Bob]

Most of the Museum buildings are built within five squares of an edge anyway, so dropping specimens off shouldn't prove too difficult.

Lol, you missed a vital point.  The museum buildings (with one exception) are next to the inside corner. So you have to walk all the way across the fortress area to get to them.

What is needed is a small drop-off point on the outside corner. I suggest using two raised bridges as they can be built near the real edge.

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Ah. indeed indeed.  A paved road or floor tiles can also be built right up next to the edge, so either one can become a drop-off point or space marker as well.  However, a bridge would work too - attach it to a lever over a pit and the adventurer could deposit the specimens in a "locking cellar" as well.

[ptb_ptb]

I have been experimenting with retiring / unretiring fortresses and had another crash.

I don't have any firm conclusions, but you should probably not retire adventurers in player fortresses it may also be a bad idea to retire or unretire fortresses while NPCs are visiting (merchants, liaisons, etc.). I'm not sure how you'll be able to test for that. I recommend keeping regular back-up saves in case of crashes, and if you want to be particularly cautious, do a test run for one or two game months of the fortress after you retire your adventurer. Retiring to locations near to a player fortress may also be problematic.

[Timeless Bob]

Wow.  If it gets so buggy that we start seeing regular game crashes I might have to mothall this game until those bugs get fixed.

[ptb_ptb]

Wow.  If it gets so buggy that we start seeing regular game crashes I might have to mothball this game until those bugs get fixed.

I think it's the same bug I saw before, just another, slightly different, way it can be triggered.  In this case I didn't retire the adventurer _at_ the fortress, but I did retire the adventurer _very near_ the fortress. I think he wandered over. I'd hate to see this thread put on hold and I don't think it's that bad, really. I'm just being cautious.

[Plancky]

Fps in adventure mode at the forts is interesting, one to two minutes to move a tile May partially do to my adventurer being really wieghted down(speed walking 0.099). Being weighed down is definetly part of why it takes so long to move. Paving the edges is definately a good idea.

Dropped off the following corpses at Taperedceiling:

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Crab
Horseshoe Crab
Tiercel Peregrine
Rattlesnake
Adder
Giant Raven
Osprey
Sea Lamprey
Horseshoe Crab Woman

Dropped of the following gems at Planesfortress:

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-levin opal bracelet-
-clear tourmaline scepter-
honey yellow beryl bracelet
red beryl figurine of forgotten beasts
red grossular figurine of yetis
onyx opal figurine of a forgotten beast
almandine earring
oval aquamarine cabochons
cushion resin opal cabochons
cushion red tourmaline cabochons
rectangular claro opal cabochons
briolette cut emeralds
briolette cut rubicelles
point cut clear garnets
point cut morganties
point cut brown zircons
rose cut fire opals
rose cut tanzanites
rose cut indigo tourmalines
rose cut pyrites
rose cut yellow zircons
single cut citrines
single cut goshenites
single cut pineapple opals
single cut red flash opals
single cut white opals
table cut black zircons
table cut bone opals
table cut jelly opals
table cut cat's eyes

Dropped the following at Castlebuds:
leaves:

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cranberry leaf
spinach leaf
ash leaf
apricot leaf
alder leaf
asparagus leaf
finger millet leaf
red spinach leaf
highwood leaf
bayberry leaf
oak leaf
lentil leaf
hemp leaf
peach leaf
plum leaf
pine needle
persimmon leaf
raspberry leaf
rhubarb leaf
sand pear leaf
willow leaf

Flowers:

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ash flower
asparagus flower
apricot flower
lentil flower
highwood flower
mountain avens flower
peach flower
persimmon flower
plum flower
raspberry flower
sand pear flower
spinach flower
rhubarb inflorescence

Seeds:

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apricot pits
bayberry seeds
persimmon seeds

catkins:

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alder pollen catkin
alder seed catkin
bayberry pollen catkin
bayberry seed catkin
willow pollen catkin
willow seed catkin

fruit:

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apricot
bayberry
persimmon

Was thinking of dropping off Tulon's corspe at a wing but because of adventurer burial bug decided probably not wise.
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=6301

[Plancky]

The  journal of Urist Usid (covered in bloody wolf prints)

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2nd of Felsite, 2004
   It has been almost a month since my freind Tulon Tulonthunen has departed, and no word.... She is presumed dead or has abandoned her task. I have been slated to find specimens now. We have a serious Macaque problem here at Castlebuds. I set out west. I cross two rivers when I come upon a rattlesnake. Which I slay, and end up getting bitten in the process. I don't think I have been poisoned by venom, just bruised my leg in the process.

3rd of Felsite, 2004
   Slept on the coast last night and now have made my way into the National Jungle. I think I will scour it for samples. Got a horseshoe crab, tiercel peregrine, and an adder today. But sad news I have found the mangled corpse of Tulon Tulonthunen. Her teeth are scattered about near her backpack. Her backpack contains the following specimens;
   Leaves:
Sand pear, Peach, Hemp, Apricot, ash, rhubarb, plum, pine(needle), bayberry, raspberry, asparagus, persimmon, lentil, willow, alder, oak, highwood, spinach, finger millet, red spinach, and cranberry.
   Corpses:
sea lamprey, crab, osprey, horseshoe crab woman, and giant raven corpse.
   Pollen catkin:
Bayberry, alder, and willow.
   Seed catkin:
Bayberry, alder, and willow.
   Flowers:
Ash, mountain avens, and highwood.
   Fruit:
Bayberry, apricot, and persimmon.
   Seeds:
Persimmon, apricot(pits), and bayberry.
   Cut gems:
Morganite, Honey yellow beryl(bracelet), aquamarine, resin opal, rubicelles, goshenites, cat's eyes, red flash opal, indigo tourmalines, jelly opal, clear tourmaline(scepter), red beryl(figurine of forgotten beasts), pyrites, red grossular(figurine of yetis), yellow zircon, claro opal, citrine, tanzanite, onyx opal(figurine of a forgotten beast), red tourmaline, brown zircon, clear garnet, bone opal, pineapple opal, almadine(earring), white opal, black zircon, fire opal, emerald, and levin opal(bracelet).

and various meats and fats.

   I gather up all Tulon's stuff and corpse and teeth. And begin my journey back. I pick apricot, spinach, rhubarb(inflorescence), asparagus, plum, raspberry, persimmon, peach, and lentil flowers to add to the flower specimens. I make it to the coast in the Autonomous Forest and call it a night. I am soaked from the rain.

4rth of  Felsite, 2004
   I should reach the Natural History museum today. It is dawn but with the fog and rain I cannot see the sun. I picked a sand pear flower today. Saw a deer, but I am already over loaded with specimens. I am just outside museum I guess I will drop of the creature specimens first in the northeast wing. the first dwarf I see is the bookkeeper for the northeast wing. I tell him about the specimens I killed in the National Jungle.

   The following creature specimens have been submitted to Taperedceiling:

Crab
Horseshoe Crab
Tiercel Peregrine
Rattlesnake
Adder
Giant Raven
Osprey
Sea Lamprey
Horseshoe Crab Woman


   Now I move on to the Planesfortress( SE wing) to deposited the following cut gem specimens.

-levin opal bracelet-
-clear tourmaline scepter-
honey yellow beryl bracelet
red beryl figurine of forgotten beasts
red grossular figurine of yetis
onyx opal figurine of a forgotten beast
almandine earring
oval aquamarine cabochons
cushion resin opal cabochons
cushion red tourmaline cabochons
rectangular claro opal cabochons
briolette cut emeralds
briolette cut rubicelles
point cut clear garnets
point cut morganties
point cut brown zircons
rose cut fire opals
rose cut tanzanites
rose cut indigo tourmalines
rose cut pyrites
rose cut yellow zircons
single cut citrines
single cut goshenites
single cut pineapple opals
single cut red flash opals
single cut white opals
table cut black zircons
table cut bone opals
table cut jelly opals
table cut cat's eyes


   I travel on to Castlebuds to deposit my plant specimens. Dropped off the following plant specimens:

   Leaves:
cranberry leaf
spinach leaf
ash leaf
apricot leaf
alder leaf
asparagus leaf
finger millet leaf
red spinach leaf
highwood leaf
bayberry leaf
oak leaf
lentil leaf
hemp leaf
peach leaf
plum leaf
pine needle
persimmon leaf
raspberry leaf
rhubarb leaf
sand pear leaf
willow leaf

   Flowers:
ash flower
asparagus flower
apricot flower
lentil flower
highwood flower
mountain avens flower
peach flower
persimmon flower
plum flower
raspberry flower
sand pear flower
spinach flower
rhubarb inflorescence

   seeds:
apricot pits
bayberry seeds
persimmon seeds

   catkins
alder pollen catkin
alder seed catkin
bayberry pollen catkin
bayberry seed catkin
willow pollen catkin
willow seed catkin

   fruit
apricot
bayberry
persimmon

   I also left behind various meats and fats for the museum workers. Now I depart off again to settle in some hamlet, to study and learn there culture. I spend the night on the coast of The Pleated Gulf.

5th of Felsite, 2004
   I eat and then depart eastward in search of a hamlet to settle in.

[ptb_ptb]

Wow, plancky, you've been busy! Congratulations.

Now have fun museum building, or whatever.

[Timeless Bob]

OK, so we'll need to have both a male and a female of each creature, so be sure to check whether we have the correct gender already.  (Hive creatures like bees and ants have three genders, I believe - Queen, Worker and Drone.)  We may need to create a "slain naturalist's memorial" where they're memorialized with statues or something - in the mean time, we'll need to have a place set up specifically to keep their remains.  Perhaps their bodies will be useful to !Science! some day.

I wonder if the adventure burial bug could be gotten around by just interring the remains into display cases instead?

Well done, Planky!  Your efforts will surely benefit the study of naturism here on Urth for years to come!

[ptb_ptb]

I wonder if the adventure burial bug could be gotten around by just interring the remains into display cases instead?

Probably. Just have a bunch of slabs carved up in a tunnel somewhere.