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[BlackFlyme]

The requirements to enter don't actually mention anything about meeting with the organization or anything, oddly. It doesn't even require that a member be present when you complete the action that is required. the action in question being to execute a sentenced criminal, and explicitly states that it does not matter if the executed was innocent or guilty.

They're called Gray Gardeners. Or Gray Wardens, if you want to avoid copyright issues, which some fan-sites do.

It blends a bit of both inquisitor and rogue, and he's taking it for min-max/optimization reasons. Hopefully no cheating reasons. Hasn't mentioned a very good in-character reason beyond stating the fact that the character likes anonymity. Despite trying to make a name for himself. Examples include continuing to try to steal some very renowned boats, and he insisted we take a fortress-island through force. He even initiated the attack. He's supposed to deflect attention from himself, not draw it.

[Bohandas]

Baron Von Father sounds like the name of a villain-that's-a-parent-figure-symbol in a kids movie.

Or an unlicensed knockoff of Darth Vader

[Flying Dice]

The requirements to enter don't actually mention anything about meeting with the organization or anything, oddly. It doesn't even require that a member be present when you complete the action that is required. the action in question being to execute a sentenced criminal, and explicitly states that it does not matter if the executed was innocent or guilty.

They're called Gray Gardeners. Or Gray Wardens, if you want to avoid copyright issues, which some fan-sites do.

It blends a bit of both inquisitor and rogue, and he's taking it for min-max/optimization reasons. Hopefully no cheating reasons. Hasn't mentioned a very good in-character reason beyond stating the fact that the character likes anonymity. Despite trying to make a name for himself. Examples include continuing to try to steal some very renowned boats, and he insisted we take a fortress-island through force. He even initiated the attack. He's supposed to deflect attention from himself, not draw it.

1. Take a level in the PrC.
2. Ambition is to "make a name for himself."
3. Hunt down and kill all other Gray Gardeners.
4. All deeds attributed to the organization are now linked to his alter-ego as faceless-murderer-man.

Attention is deflected from his true identity, and his disguise becomes famous. Have your cake and eat it too, the creative person's guide to meshing good fluff with minmaxing.

[BlackFlyme]

I don't think problem player will be able to come up with a sensible story. I know my story, at least, but I don't know how good it is.

A dhampir oracle, despised for his heritage, finds refuge with the only ones who would accept him: an undeath worshipping cult called the Whispering Way. Hoping to learn more about his curse and the mysteries of Juju, he heads off to explore the Mwangi Expanse, where practitioners of the magic are said to reside. Along the way he ends up forced to work on a pirate ship, where the adventure starts.

The problem player's story is a bit shit. He's a kasatha, which are desert - dwelling race of aliens that have no idea how they got to the planet and want to go home. The PP is the son of the matriarch, and was poised to become the first male leader of the kasatha. Before that could happen, he was exiled and is now hunted by his people because he accidentally discovered a way back to their planet.

A bit like saying that you were to become king of the drow until you accidentally discovered a way to blot out the sun. Or that you were to become the next God-Emprah' of Mankind until you accidentally discovered a way to kill the gods of Chaos.

[GiglameshDespair]

They realised he was too much of a terrible character, and so they needed to kill him for the good of all.

[Radio Controlled]

Their tribe hunts Mary Sues for sport and as a coming-of-age trial.

[Bohandas]

I don't think problem player will be able to come up with a sensible story. I know my story, at least, but I don't know how good it is.

A dhampir oracle, despised for his heritage, finds refuge with the only ones who would accept him: an undeath worshipping cult called the Whispering Way. Hoping to learn more about his curse and the mysteries of Juju, he heads off to explore the Mwangi Expanse, where practitioners of the magic are said to reside. Along the way he ends up forced to work on a pirate ship, where the adventure starts.

The problem player's story is a bit shit. He's a kasatha, which are desert - dwelling race of aliens that have no idea how they got to the planet and want to go home. The PP is the son of the matriarch, and was poised to become the first male leader of the kasatha. Before that could happen, he was exiled and is now hunted by his people because he accidentally discovered a way back to their planet.

A bit like saying that you were to become king of the drow until you accidentally discovered a way to blot out the sun. Or that you were to become the next God-Emprah' of Mankind until you accidentally discovered a way to kill the gods of Chaos.

Well it's like a "war is peace" type thing, like how the leaders in 1984 had no real intention of winning their war because as long as it continued they could use fear-mongering and jingoism as tools of manipulation. Or like the Republican party, once they successfully got slavery banned they didin't really have a purpose anymore and so they've spent the last century and a half or so just aimlessly hanging around causing trouble.

[Nerjin]

If that was the intention I am impressed. Though I doubt he thought it through that much and just wanted to be the specialist of snowflakes.

[Culise]

I don't think problem player will be able to come up with a sensible story. I know my story, at least, but I don't know how good it is.

A dhampir oracle, despised for his heritage, finds refuge with the only ones who would accept him: an undeath worshipping cult called the Whispering Way. Hoping to learn more about his curse and the mysteries of Juju, he heads off to explore the Mwangi Expanse, where practitioners of the magic are said to reside. Along the way he ends up forced to work on a pirate ship, where the adventure starts.

The problem player's story is a bit shit. He's a kasatha, which are desert - dwelling race of aliens that have no idea how they got to the planet and want to go home. The PP is the son of the matriarch, and was poised to become the first male leader of the kasatha. Before that could happen, he was exiled and is now hunted by his people because he accidentally discovered a way back to their planet.

A bit like saying that you were to become king of the drow until you accidentally discovered a way to blot out the sun. Or that you were to become the next God-Emprah' of Mankind until you accidentally discovered a way to kill the gods of Chaos.

Well it's like a "war is peace" type thing, like how the leaders in 1984 had no real intention of winning their war because as long as it continued they could use fear-mongering and jingoism as tools of manipulation. Or like the Republican party, once they successfully got slavery banned they didin't really have a purpose anymore and so they've spent the last century and a half or so just aimlessly hanging around causing trouble.

Disdain as you like, but be fair about it; there's not much aimless about the Republicans.  The Republican party been a bastion of business more or less since its inception, courtesy of the Whiggish side of its ancestry, which was absolutely cemented not with Reagan, but with McKinley; the only difference was if it was big business or small business.  If anything, apart from its flirtation with abolitionism by way of the Free Soilers side, its marriage to social conservatism is the more recent phenomenon. 

[Yoink]

I don't think I ever saw the ad, never owned a copy of dragon until DnD insider, but are you talking about Iron Heroes?

Oh yeah, that's the one! I know nothing about it apart from what I read in the ad, but it seemed cool. Thanks!


@Scriver: I've played The Riddle of Steel and it is awesome, but it certainly wasn't that. Iron throne is apparently a sequel/successor to TRoS, actually.

[Spehss _]

Found a pretty good dnd greentext.

[Neonivek]

Seriously in dnd necromancers are REALLY not scary.

Since ordinary zombies and skeletons are mostly pale imitations of their living counterpart.

[Sergarr]

Seriously in dnd necromancers are REALLY not scary.

Since ordinary zombies and skeletons are mostly pale imitations of their living counterpart.

Pfff. Real scary necros use allips.

[Gentlefish]

Seriously in dnd necromancers are REALLY not scary.

Since ordinary zombies and skeletons are mostly pale imitations of their living counterpart.

Pfff. Real scary necros use allips.

Oh man. Fuck allips. that entrancing babble and CHA drain is killer.

[Sergarr]

Seriously in dnd necromancers are REALLY not scary.

Since ordinary zombies and skeletons are mostly pale imitations of their living counterpart.

Pfff. Real scary necros use allips.

Oh man. Fuck allips. that entrancing babble and CHA drain is killer.

It's WIS drain, but the effect is kinda the same