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I am religious and believe in free will

70 (27.6%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

113 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (24%)

Total Members Voted: 249

[MonkeyHead]

Please read my whole post.

I believe in the biblical account because it makes the most sense (giglemesh has the ark be a cube which wouldn't work at all) and because Jesus spoke about the flood and never said anything was wrong with the biblical account (Luke 17:27)

yeah, but that boils down to the bible is true because the bible says it is true. The claims of Jesus regarding the matter (and lets remember that these are at least second hand claims made after the event) are neither here nor there if the claims he is trying to back up are inherently flawed.

[TD1]

I believe in the biblical account because it makes the most sense

If you were to accept things only according to what makes the most sense, you wouldn't believe the entire population of the world was eradicated except for two of every animal.

More to the point, you believe in the Biblical account because it's part of your belief, and to not believe that account would be contrary to your belief. Not because of sense.

[origamiscienceguy]

Really, this boils down to whether you believe Jesus is God. Really, that is what almost every argument of the Bible boils down to.

[TD1]

I doubt it really matters.

Of all Biblical arguments, "is Jesus God" is only the most common argument amongst those that believe anything in the Bible at all.

[Frumple]

Really, this boils down to whether you believe Jesus is God. Really, that is what almost every argument of the Bible boils down to.

I... don't know if that's an entirely accurate assessment. From what I understand of christian history, belief that the bible is a literal account of events is both a primarily minority one and largely a new one, having only gained notable traction fairly recently as history goes. Many christians for much of the belief system's existence have believed in the divinity of SJ while holding the bible itself to be either substantially metaphorical or just plain-clothes flawed. People can, and many, many do, believe that Jesus is God while questioning the literal accuracy of the biblical texts.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

Yes but you aught to know at this point that you are talking to Christians who believe it as true and not metaphorical and that other Christian views don't sway that belief

[TD1]

What about

And He took bread, gave thanks, broke it, gave it to them, and said, "This is My body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of Me."

By your argument, this is literal. IIRC you're Protestant, and so you believe this to be non-literal.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

He said do this in remembers cd of me and said the bread was a symbol of his body. I don't see what you're trying to say here

[origamiscienceguy]

Of course, you don't have to believe in a literal account of the old testament to be a christian. All you have to do is believe that Jesus is the only one who can cleanse you of your sins.

[TD1]

He said do this in remembers cd of me and said the bread was a symbol of his body. I don't see what you're trying to say here

I'm trying to say that you don't take the Bible as absolutely literal. If you did, when Jesus says "this IS my blood" you would believe it.

Indeed, there are a few versions of how many times the cock crowed for...Peter, was it?

[Orange Wizard]

Didn't you know that each gospel occurred in its own parallel universe?

[Frumple]

... there was apparently an early church belief that the entirety of the story related to jesus occurred in a non-physical portion of reality. That might not be as distanced from church tradition as you'd think, heh.

[TD1]

Sometimes I wonder whose side you're on II

[Helgoland]

He said do this in remembers cd of me and said the bread was a symbol of his body. I don't see what you're trying to say here

He didn't say it was a symbol, that's just your (heretical ) interpretation.

[Orange Wizard]

Sometimes I wonder whose side you're on II

The side of Truth, Justice, and the Non-Zombie Way.

...

... there was apparently an early church belief that the entirety of the story related to jesus occurred in a non-physical portion of reality. That might not be as distanced from church tradition as you'd think, heh.

That's pretty awesome, actually.