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I am religious and believe in free will

70 (27.6%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

113 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (24%)

Total Members Voted: 249

[Orange Wizard]

He was very much a human.

Indeed. The only real difference is that Christians say he was God at the same time.

[Rolan7]

I think that's why modern Christians believe he was both human and divine.  Human so he could be sacrificed, divine so the sacrifice would fix everything.

[Rose]

Also, is it still blasphemy if I'm not a christian?

[TheDarkStar]

Who(m?) did I miss?

Origamiscienceguy, iirc, and I'm pretty sure someone further back with a name starting with g? Think there was at least one more professed christian that chimed in stating they were a biblical literalist, too. It's not been entirely unrepresented in the thread, anyway.

Cryxis I think would count, too?

I kinda count, too. I believe that the Bible is correct but occasionally mistranslated. Members of my faith mostly use a slightly modified KJV.

[TD1]

A Christian would say yes. Anyone else would say no.

He was very much a human.

Indeed. The only real difference is that Christians say he was God at the same time.

Hence the "in spirit." Whilst his human body died, given the Christian focus on the spirit, I would assume the real "sacrifice" isn't in the flesh but the spirit?

Then again, why God would have cared about the spirits of chickens and goats for a few thousand years I don't know, given their less-than-human status.

So I just confused myself. What is the purpose of divine sacrifice? Is it the flesh or the soul that's important? Both?

[Orange Wizard]

So I just confused myself. What is the purpose of divine sacrifice? Is it the flesh or the soul that's important? Both?

The important part is that he received the punishment that would have otherwise been directed to us. That he is divine is largely incidental. Jesus is without sin, not owing anything, and thus paid the debt on behalf of Christians.

[TD1]

What about general sacrifice? Goats, chickens, etc.? What was important there?


Edit: Ah. Presumably that they, also, were innocent and so could pay for our sins. How horrible.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

More that they were diversions for god's wrath, and also he apparently enjoys the smell of burning meat.

Judaic sacrifice is a bit different from Christian sacrifice, and the latter tries to rewrite the former.

[Orange Wizard]

No, that was just symbolic.

[UXLZ]

So I just confused myself. What is the purpose of divine sacrifice? Is it the flesh or the soul that's important? Both?

The important part is that he received the punishment that would have otherwise been directed to us. That he is divine is largely incidental. Jesus is without sin, not owing anything, and thus paid the debt on behalf of Christians.

And why was he without sin?
Because he was divine.
Either that or sin is inherited through the father.

[Orange Wizard]

The Father could have potentially created some demi-human or somesuch who never sinned and didn't inherit it, but apparently this way has more Symbolism™.
Not sinning isn't a uniquely divine trait per se. Adam and Steve didn't sin either, and they enjoyed fellowship with God - at least until Satan turned up.

[Adragis]

Also, Satan (who was and theoretically still is) a divine being, was the greatest sinner of them all.

[UXLZ]

Why was Jesus without sin?

[Helgoland]

Dude, he was literally God. He's without sin per definitionem.

[TD1]

You yourself acknowledge Biblical words shouldn't always be followed.
If sin may be defined as the doing of bad things, then very arguably God has sinned many times. He has committed war crimes for the Jews at least.