That said, I wholeheartedly approve of Trump for the message I feel it sends to the major parties: People are sick of their shit and will vote in a vulgar celebrity over the party line if they're pushed far enough. It's a very similar concept, just with what I assume are more coherent, professional actors.
Now if we could just get the stupid bastards to start voting something other than Republican or Democrat ...
Welp, 3rd parties made no progress whatsoever. Our country continues to bitch and moan about how our candidates suck but refuses to do a damn thing about it.
One or the other were going to win this year, no matter what, but if 3rd parties got even 10% of the vote things would have started changing for the better, just from pressure for voting reform. Fuck that I guess.
GG, China, it's your turn at world leader status, we got our heads so far up our ass that we vote for candidates we hate just so the other asshole doesn't win, instead of having the balls to vote for someone we don't loathe.
No it's not the end of the country. But we just lost our grip on the last foothold we had that had a chance of getting us back to the top of the mountain anytime soon. Instead we seem to be perfectly happy to stay in this rut of the elections just being a case of choosing who you hate the least, for at least the next 4 years, and someone being in power we don't want for at least the majority of next decade.
I mean, obviously that'd be the ideal, yes. But they're not viable (at least in presidential elections over the long term) with the current system, and changing the current system is a hard goal to focus tribal hatred and contempt into, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
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I guess we could try a California? You know, when they voted a Governor into office, and hated him
so badly that three months later they called a do-over and got the Governator? If there was a president you could pull off dragging out of office before he got into it, Trump might be it.
Dosn't matter what 3rd party you wanted just a total 3rd party vote of more than just a sliver. We needed enough third party voters for a candidate to seriously consiter offering voting reform to pull in their vote next election cycle. We did not.
We can try again in 4 years. Which means the earliest hope for any change actually happening to start un-fucking this country is 8 years from now.
I'm pretty dubious that Jill Stein getting 10% of the vote would have convinced Hillary to run on and follow through with revamping the voting system to be less stupid, though. If anything, I would think that'd panic the major parties into wanting to keep their nice two-part channel.
That said, I wholeheartedly approve of Trump for the message I feel it sends to the major parties: People are sick of their shit and will vote in a vulgar celebrity over the party line if they're pushed far enough. It's a very similar concept, just with what I assume are more coherent, professional actors.
Problem is, that's not the message it sends at all. The message a trump victory is going to send is that lying about abso-fucking-lutely everything while beating the drum of nationalism and bigotry is how you win an election. It's also sending the message that party affiliation is more important than your candidate's anything, which is the exact opposite of what you're positing.
Beating the drum of nationalism and bigotry is
always how you win elections, it's just a subtler tune against different targets. More to the point, I don't believe Trump won just because there's
that many ignorant subhuman morlocks beyond the walls, gathering to Sauron's black hordes at the promise of making women and brown skin illegal. I think he won because he's clearly not a politician in the entrenched, traditional, weasely sense, as evidenced by the fact that he's willing to say outrageous shit and pander to disregarded concerns, and that not even his own party wanted him to win.
Clinton, I feel, is the proof of this. In any normal election,
of course the guy shouting slurs and making drunk-tier statements is going to lose.
That's why politicians don't do it. So for a famous, well-connected, traditional candidate like Clinton to
lose to that suggests that either The Enemy long thought defeated is stronger than we ever imagined, or that a lot of people you'd otherwise consider normal are just not feeling Clinton anymore, either in not bothering to vote for her knowing what the alternative is or outright shifting to the other option.
I don't see how that sends the message that party affiliation trumps everything, though. Like I said, not even his own party wanted him to win.
Oddly enough my friend says that Trump's VP is actually far worse then Trump himself.
Dunno anything about him, but I didn't know anything about Bush's VP either and he turned out to be literal Emperor Palpatine. So... anything's possible, I guess.
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