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[wierd]

I hate to play the hipster card on this, but I was hating on facebook before hating on facebook was cool.

I remember the *OLD* internet culture-- the one that would have ridiculed the very notion of giving a corporation your real personal details, for *ANY* purpose.  I remember when the internet was not open to commercialism.

[Naturegirl1999]

When I got rid of Facebook, I chose to delete all of the account data. There was an option to either have them keep your account data or delete it completely, I chose delete all. Maybe they still have it though. Just posts being deleted

[King Zultan]

I've never had a Facebook and I don't ever want one.

[wierd]

@naturegirl

Considering that they keep shadow accounts for people who have never even registered, and actively use that collected data, and have been sued for it repeatedly in europe, the notion that they are still holding and using it would not be a surprise to me at all.

They act literally like drug addicts. Only, it is for that sweet sweet analytics data.

@zultan

Me either. However, I am certain they know about me, because I have family that uses it, despite my very verbal position on the matter.

[King Zultan]

However, I am certain they know about me, because I have family that uses it, despite my very verbal position on the matter.

I'm probably in the same boat as I think I'm one of the only people in my family that doesn't have one.

[Starver]

As the one who sparked off this derail, and with the benefit of the sleep I did not (beyond 'normal') lose, let me just say it was provoked more by the same feelings I get from a post that goes "Hahahahaha <youtubelink>" and nothing else.  Which I admit I might do myself (but usually only if I don't realise the URL, for a news page that is, doesn't speak for itself).

(Yes, I know here are browser extensions that expand that to the title, to at least partially rule out rickrolling-bait that aren't themselves saved with irrelevently baity titles, and that you've got Alphabet drawn even more into that argument, but at least I can read Youtube comments without (overt) login and the videos play if I (think I) want to play them when I arrive on their page.)

Spoiler: obTaleOfFacebook (click to show/hide)

Someone I know wasn't wanting to use Facebook, but discovered a society she was involved in had set up a FB page for existing members and new ones alike and the chatter and photo sharing that had been going on via email was now on FB. (In some ways, it was probably more efficient, but given the wrapper-code around images it was of the level of "emailing images embedded as within word documents" silliness, once we got into it.). Already she'd been sent a link by another member to view "without login", but this ended up 'remembering' her as the other member somehow, it turns out later.

Anyhoo, she was eventually encouraged to join by that other soc. member, and (like that member) chose to use a pseudonymical identity to do so. 'Easiest' solution to the required secondary point of contact was her mobile phone (couldn't handle a throwaway/secondary email account, and that'd probably require Google knowing a mobile number anyway, these days). Whereupon it appears that someone(s) in a totally different part of her social sphere must have given FB all their phone address book as, though "Ann Onymous" (not her actual pseudonym) had joined the Society facebook page with absolutely no deliberate link to any other field of her life, the "You might already know..." suggestions was full of people in a given Organisation, and no doubt they'd have been told that they might know Ann Onymous. Though whether they could backtrack to why is an unanswered question.

Meanwhile, every other (infrequent) attempt to check FB for business that someone tends to email her about to go and see, instead of logging in as Ann Onymous it tries to log her in as the original instigator of the FB involvement, something cookie-related, perhaps, that I still haven't resolved.

I.e., a right royal pain. Especially for someone (her) who has problems if I move a desktop icon, and insists that if I copy/replace/rename a file in a folder window (which she dislikes being maximised, even when it's useful to do so, so it's always a small letterbox in the middle of the screen) that I move it into alphabetic position. (I F5 it, which mostly does what's needed.)

On the whole, it's not exactly a marriage made in heaven, and even though I could probably Twit, Facespace, WhatsChat or TicTac myself without technical issues, I'm happy to eschew the Web2.0 scene and stick with Web1.5 socialising (such as being on this forum, totally disconnected from any of the other fora I may be on), largely random Web1.0 browsing and various pre-Web hangouts on the Internet that I probably shared a lot more personal information on than I do these days, including in that little tale I just told, but are probably just obscure enough to (even if indexed) avoid any link to Starver here for the most part. This side of an ISP/GCHQ log, anyway.

But that doesn't matter. The point I was making is now made, and several others as well. 

[Bumber]

Somebody posted this link in AmeriPol:
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1259293255692361730

BREAKING: German intelligence reports on January 21, Xi Jinping asked WHO chief Tedros to hold back information about a human-to-human transmission and to delay a pandemic warning - @DerSpiegel

[Bralbaard]

Somebody posted this link in AmeriPol:
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1259293255692361730

BREAKING: German intelligence reports on January 21, Xi Jinping asked WHO chief Tedros to hold back information about a human-to-human transmission and to delay a pandemic warning - @DerSpiegel

About the source: the first thing I find when I google for Jack posiebec is this:

John Michael Posobiec III is an American alt-right political activist and conspiracy theorist who is considered an Internet troll. Posobiec is best known for his pro-Donald Trump comments on Twitter. Wikipedia

There is nothing on front page of der spiegel.

[Starver]

I'm seeing a lot of obfuscation coming from that camp over many things at the moment (rallying around to calm the fears of their main man?) . I don't even doubt that such a request might have been made, in some form or other, given the attitude of China towards what it wants the world to see of it, but I find it as easy to ignore as others apparently find it easy to ignore other countries' failings.


(Talking of obfuscation, and following on from my Facebook link comments, I can't say that Bumber's link was obfuscated in any way. Good to have "the link and the substance of the link" like that. I could do it more myself, I know.)

[Bumber]

Somebody posted this link in AmeriPol:
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1259293255692361730

BREAKING: German intelligence reports on January 21, Xi Jinping asked WHO chief Tedros to hold back information about a human-to-human transmission and to delay a pandemic warning - @DerSpiegel

About the source: the first thing I find when I google for Jack posiebec is this:

John Michael Posobiec III is an American alt-right political activist and conspiracy theorist who is considered an Internet troll. Posobiec is best known for his pro-Donald Trump comments on Twitter. Wikipedia

There is nothing on front page of der spiegel.

There's a link if you click "view thread": https://t.co/nQTaeqYYKQ?amp=1

[ChairmanPoo]

Somebody posted this link in AmeriPol:
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1259293255692361730

BREAKING: German intelligence reports on January 21, Xi Jinping asked WHO chief Tedros to hold back information about a human-to-human transmission and to delay a pandemic warning - @DerSpiegel

About the source: the first thing I find when I google for Jack posiebec is this:

John Michael Posobiec III is an American alt-right political activist and conspiracy theorist who is considered an Internet troll. Posobiec is best known for his pro-Donald Trump comments on Twitter. Wikipedia

There is nothing on front page of der spiegel.

There's a link if you click "view thread": https://t.co/nQTaeqYYKQ?amp=1

That article... It says that the German goverment doubts the US claims and that the supposedly leaked report might be a delliberate planted fake.  That German intelligence thinks that US govt complaints are a calculated misdirection to deviate wrath away from their own mismanagement.  It's cherrypicking the very last quote, which is easily debunked:
The WHO announced on January 20th that there was human to human transmission, amd China admitted it the following day

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/wuhan-pneumonia-coronavirus-china-confirms-human-transmission-12293414


So TLDR: enough with the moans of "nobody warned us". We were warned. Its just thay oir goverments decided to assume that it would fizzle out in Asia as the previous two SARS did.

[Bumber]

Good to know. Thanks for translation.

[misko27]

You know, Germany has, according to the NY Times tracker, 169,218 cases, and 7,395 deaths, for a total of 4.4% death rate (which, while on the lower end of things relative to other countries is entirely within expected values). But Sweden has 25,921 cases and 3,320 deaths, for 12.4%. Now how does Sweden have almost 4x the deathrate of Germany? If Germans died at the same rate as Swedes, they'd have 21,020 deaths instead of just over seven thousand. And if Sweden had Germany's rate, their real infected numbers would total 73,682, which would be 729 per capita and one of the highest in the world.

Not even going to touch on the fact that Russia has 209,000 cases but 1,915 deaths (less than Sweden!), because that's a completely different can of worms.

[scriver]

1. Sweden doesn't test people unless they're hospitalised. We began testing people in the danger zone (staff, emergency workers, nursery home workers, etc) this or last week.

2. We failed to keep the disease out of our retirement homes (and similar venues), which led to a very high death rate among our infected.

[ChairmanPoo]

1. Sweden doesn't test people unless they're hospitalised. We began testing people in the danger zone (staff, emergency workers, nursery home workers, etc) this or last week.

2. We failed to keep the disease out of our retirement homes (and similar venues), which led to a very high death rate among our infected.

Those two are unfortunately universal in most of Western Europe.

I think the no-lockdown thing was a mistake. I think you should demand responsability from the Swedish head epidemiologist. Just like I think in Spain Fernando Simon should face responsabilities for his slow and lacklustre response early in the pandemic, and constant hesitations.

On the other hand its not like they are alone on the side of shitty pandemic management and shitty excuses for shitty pandemic management