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[King Zultan]

It could have been the Ukrainian terrorist that was somehow hiding inside the jet that caused it to crash in the first place.

[Strongpoint]

Oct 18 (Reuters) - Iran has promised to provide Russia with surface to surface missiles, in addition to more drones, two senior Iranian officials and two Iranian diplomats told Reuters...

..."They (Russians) wanted to buy hundreds of our missiles, even mid-range ones, but we told them that we can ship soon a few hundred of their demanded Zolfaghar and Fateh 110 short-range, surface to surface missiles," said one of the security officials.

300 and 700 km range... neat...

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This war will last for many, many years... Russia won't run out of money (oil will flow) to buy such stuff and continue making their own.

Russia will never have any meaningful dissent, it won't run out of cannon fodder anytime soon and even if Ukraine will be able to push them back on land, they will keep lobbing stuff across our border like a huge HAMAS on steroids.

[Lord Shonus]

The Iranian missiles in question probably are worse than what Russia's already been throwing at Ukraine, and it is very questionable if Iran can actually deliver the quantities they're asking for. Iran is still laboring under heavy sanctions, and there's a major difference in scale between what Iran's been building missiles for until now (their own defense needs, and providing the occasional few dozen to allies) and the hundreds or thousands Russia would need to make a difference.

What's being somewhat overlooked here is what it means that Russia is even trying to procure from this source - they'd only be doing it if the recent statement from the Ukrainian Ministry Of Defense is correct and they're nearly out of missiles.

[Strongpoint]

Of course, they are worse. And Russian stocks are indeed going down. Still, they are capable of both producing and procuring more and more of stuff that can hit cities and kill people. As I said, HAMAS on steroids. Also, It is not like Iran is the only probable source, there are a few more who won't mind earning some $ (or get Russian assistance for making stuff like ICBMa or their own nukes)

This crap will go on for years. Russian Economy is doing absolutely fine (they lost what? -3% GDP?. Ha! What a hit!), the population is docile, ideology is as pro-war as possible.

[anewaname]

Yeah, Russia will be able to continue a border war for years with what they can produce internally. And they can do it because they have nukes. And the "peasant" population will never have the concentrated power to rise up against the ruling class. North Korea and South Korea are in a similar situation.

That "Russian economy" only represents the cash value of international buying and selling, not the quality level of the goods traded. Russia is receiving less of the higher-tech components which they cannot produce internally. There have been Western military-grade-technology sanctions on Russia since Crimea was invaded and Russia has used shell companies to avoid the sanctions for a while (google "Extreme Networks russia sanctions" as an example).

The majority of the Russian population is not involved in that international-trade economy and will be paid with just enough "consumer goods" to survive (meaning, they are economic slaves and unable to break themselves or their families out of the situation they are in, and will be used as fodder for the economic and military engine by the "ruling class"). That includes the maybe-3-million Ukrainian refugees who were re-directed into Russia.

About that pro-war sentiment in Russia... Most of it exists because people are afraid to be anything besides a patriot. If you were a Russian with kids, and your loved brother/sister lived in Ukraine, you would still say "Ukrainians are Nazi's" to protect your kids.

[Starver]

you would still say "Ukrainians are Nazi's"

Grammar Communist! You're putting apostrophes to work in totally inapproriate places!

[MaxTheFox]

Yeah as much as I am hoping for a revolution... while there is more dissent than Strongpoint makes it sound like (source: experience), it's very slowly growing if at all and I don't expect there to be one any time soon unles the government REALLY fucks up.

[Loud Whispers]

Revolutions never happen until they do

[Great Order]

The problem with revolutions is they rarely make things better because the ruthless bastards who run the revolution tend to be the same ruthless bastards who won't step down when it's over.

[Loud Whispers]

The problem with revolutions is they rarely make things better because the ruthless bastards who run the revolution tend to be the same ruthless bastards who won't step down when it's over.

The green revolution was good. We uh... Grew turnips better

[Strongpoint]

House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy said Republicans are prepared to pull back on US aid to Ukraine next year if they gain control of the House, reflecting a growing sentiment in the party for the country to be less involved overseas.


Oh... Excited sarcastic WONDERFULl!

[Great Order]

Whaaaaaaaaaat, the Reps are wanting to help Russia pull back from interfering overseas?

[Loud Whispers]

House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy said Republicans are prepared to pull back on US aid to Ukraine next year if they gain control of the House, reflecting a growing sentiment in the party for the country to be less involved overseas.


Oh... Excited sarcastic WONDERFULl!

Still gonna bomb Yemen though

[MaxTheFox]

The problem with revolutions is they rarely make things better because the ruthless bastards who run the revolution tend to be the same ruthless bastards who won't step down when it's over.

And I accept this.

House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy said Republicans are prepared to pull back on US aid to Ukraine next year if they gain control of the House, reflecting a growing sentiment in the party for the country to be less involved overseas.


Oh... Excited sarcastic WONDERFULl!

Classic conservatoids.

[Magmacube_tr]

Classic conservatoids.

I prefer the term "cuckservatives", but yours is nice too.