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[mr. macduggan]

Or, you could have a control point in the center of the map that electrifies the underwater section if the defense gets control of it, and you could even repeat this a couple times. It would combine control point and payload strategies. The only requirement would be to have a window, so a defender can see everyone in the water get electrocuted when they recap the point in the middle of the push through the lake. Also, on the subject of the water level area, you could always make the water shallow enough to not put out fire like in the sewers of 2fort (but still enough to electrocute your ankles  )

[Dsarker]

Vents easily accessible by the attacking team that drop into the room where the defending team jumps into the water to defend the cart. Pyros can always ambush defenders before they enter the water. They never really help with cart pushing anyway.

Or, you could have a control point in the center of the map that electrifies the underwater section if the defense gets control of it, and you could even repeat this a couple times. It would combine control point and payload strategies. The only requirement would be to have a window, so a defender can see everyone in the water get electrocuted when they recap the point in the middle of the push through the lake. Also, on the subject of the water level area, you could always make the water shallow enough to not put out fire like in the sewers of 2fort (but still enough to electrocute your ankles  )

The window has to be shootable through, so the snipers and pyros could do something.

[The Scout]

The medieval update broke my TF2. Can't start a match up.

[Osmosis Jones]

Having actually played a payload level that involves a complete submersion of the cart, I'll say this;

It works, bitches. Look up PL_greatheights (IIRC). The cart goes down a ramp into water, turns right and is fully submerged. At this point, it passes through a short tunnel, then rises up again, another right turn, and out to the cap. In that space have been some of the best battles on the server.

IMO heavies tended to benefit from the water the most; swimming meant grenades and rockets that normally cluster around their feet fell further away, pyros couldnt flare spam, and their slow speed became less of an issue, all while their own bullets were unaffected. The water also made it hard to spot & harry the medics, meaning they could focus on healing others, adding to the heavies' survivability.

Of course, this was all around the time of the WAR! update, so things may be a little different now.

[Soulwynd]

Yup, I like that map. The underwater part if really fun.

[mr. macduggan]

The midevial update is over; wonder if valve will add the map they made.

[PsyberianHusky]

Does anyone know hammer well enough to map make?

[mr. macduggan]

no way man 

[Tradanbattlan]

I could if I didn't lose intrest partway through like I always do.

[Flying Carcass]

I like the UI of the new Pip Boy promotional item.

[dragonshardz]

Wait. What?

[Vherid]

Pipboy and Anger mask fuck yeah

[LASD]

Wait. What?

Ton of promo items for QuakeCon apparently.

Original Rocket Launcher from Quake
A hat from Skyrim
A Sniper headpiece from Brink
Pip-Boy from Fallout! WOO!
Wingstick from RAGE

I really really really want that Pip-Boy. I also expect the ability to wear two misc items to come soon.

[Shadowlord]

Sweet. By already having New Vegas, I should already have it.

Apparently the only way to get the Skyrim hat is to pre-order Skyrim through Steam, though. Last time I checked it wasn't even ON Steam (Apparently they JUST added it).

[Tyler6498]

Just went and had a test run of the pip boy, I love it so much.