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Author Topic: WH40K discussion thread: from Tyran's heart I stab at thee.  (Read 965208 times)

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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6900 on: October 04, 2016, 08:07:44 pm »

Generally a tank commissar is there to 'blam' the crew.
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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6901 on: October 04, 2016, 08:09:02 pm »

Frankly the imperials should have just given Chaos Hostess Fruit Pies...

Would have won the war a loooong time ago.

(OK I FREEKEN swear there must be a Warhammer 40k Twinkie/Fruitpie comic!)
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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6902 on: October 04, 2016, 08:35:31 pm »

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We're the Death Korp of Krieg, son. Did you think that was just a pretty name? We never retreat. We fight and we die, that's the Krieg way.
Ahh yess, The Death Korps of Krieg. The only regiment where Commissars are more likely to get shoot for cowardice than Guardsmen.
I always heard this phrased as "the only regiment where the Commissars job is is to restrain the troops from running towards the enemy, rather than away.

Presumably, Death Korps Commissars hold the threat of peaceful retirement over their troops' heads instead of guns.
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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6903 on: October 04, 2016, 09:54:24 pm »

*BLAM*
No.

this effort to perfect blamming and excessively purge sounds a lot like slaaneshi worship to me ..
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~*tiny blam*
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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6904 on: October 05, 2016, 12:26:29 am »

The Pantheon existed before the Emperor and it didn't suddenly change the moment he woke up.
It's quite possible the Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch didn't exist until after the Emperor had been born and Slaanesh DEFINITELY hadn't been born until long after the Emperor could be considered old. The first three didn't gain sentience until around the middle ages (the Emperor was around 9k years old at that point) but they may or may not have existed before then, just without sentience. Slaanesh, on the other hand, didn't even begin forming until the Age of Strife hit (which hit because Slaanesh started forming). The Emperor would've been over 30k years old by that point.

And the Emperor, essentially a max level multi-disciplinary wizard to put it in D&D terms, figured out how to parlay with them and cheated some of their power away from them.
Damn it, and you were doing so well in your assertion that the Emperor wasn't a god! No, the Emperor didn't steal shit from the Chaos Gods. The Emperor is so powerful because he was made up of tens of thousands of psykers each with more experience and knowledge of the Warp than Eldrad and then spent the next few tens of thousands of years training and increasing his powers to exponentially greater heights.

The worst thing people do regarding the Emperor is try to explain away his awesomeness by saying he's a god or that he's only so powerful because he stole from Chaos.
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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6905 on: October 05, 2016, 03:01:33 am »

Notably the Commissars attached to the Death Korps are supposed to tell them to retreat rather than stop them from doing so, as Kriegsmen have a tendency to throw their lives away inefficiently when left unsupervised.
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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6906 on: October 05, 2016, 03:07:22 am »

Nah. Emperor is old, powerful and awesome but the fact that he stole from Chaos Gods makes him doubly awesome. Chaos Gods in direct Warp combat are proably still more powerful than The Emperor, as they're pure Warp beings, especially all four combined, yet the Emperor went onto their ground and beaten them and went away with their power whilist laughing gloriously. He's was amazing before and after that he only proved he's amazing and rekt Chaos Gods.
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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6907 on: October 05, 2016, 03:25:01 pm »

Are there any prices ever mentioned in thrones? Like loaf of bread or something like that.
How many thrones/thrones worth stuff will have somewhat mediocre rogue trader overall?
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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6908 on: October 05, 2016, 03:29:22 pm »

I rather like the space hitler interpretation of the emp.

True, its called space hitler but space augustus or just space Caesar is probably more accurate.


But that mary sue view on him is weak, because he is a reflection of humanity itself.
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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6909 on: October 05, 2016, 03:50:21 pm »

Are there any prices ever mentioned in thrones? Like loaf of bread or something like that.
How many thrones/thrones worth stuff will have somewhat mediocre rogue trader overall?
A lot.


Dark Heresy 1e has the 'drudging classes' - manufactorum workers, field hands, etc - make 30 thrones a month.
A standard knife costs 5.
Low grade provisions costs a throne for a meal.
Shitty accomodation costs five thrones a night,.

Nobles in DH have a base monthly income of 500 thrones.
In RT, you quite sensibly don't have money as such - just some items are harder to obtain and keep stocked than others, since RTs have so much money and influence.

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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6910 on: October 05, 2016, 06:07:08 pm »

I kinda think that the purchasing power of a single throne would vary greatly depending on where you're at. It's probably impossible to maintain a stable currency across millions of planets with varying levels of connection to each other and the rest of the Imperium as whole.
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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6911 on: October 05, 2016, 06:45:26 pm »

DH makes it pretty clear though that Thrones are an abstraction and combination of various local currencies done for simplicity's sake. FWIW Thrones rarely if ever come up in the fiction.
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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6912 on: October 05, 2016, 06:50:43 pm »

I maintain the idea that the Imperium has desperate planetary cultures but also a unitary "galactic culture", which is where thrones come in.

It's like an exaggerated version of the international cosmopolitanism you see from people in cities the world over, even when some of those cities are in countries with very, very different rural cultures.
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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6913 on: October 05, 2016, 10:52:53 pm »

I maintain the idea that the Imperium has desperate planetary cultures but also a unitary "galactic culture", which is where thrones come in.

It's like an exaggerated version of the international cosmopolitanism you see from people in cities the world over, even when some of those cities are in countries with very, very different rural cultures.


Im pretty sure thats the canon answer.
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Re: WH40K thread: wait, 40K has religious overtones?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
« Reply #6914 on: October 05, 2016, 11:00:42 pm »

I maintain the idea that the Imperium has desperate planetary cultures but also a unitary "galactic culture", which is where thrones come in.
The word you're thinking of is "disparate", but "desperate" applies equally well given the setting.
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