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I am religious and believe in free will

70 (27.6%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

113 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (24%)

Total Members Voted: 249

[SirQuiamus]

Saudi authorities not to blame for tragedy: "All complaints should be addressed to God."

[TD1]

Saudi authorities not to blame for tragedy: "All complaints should be addressed to God."

So, in other words, that priest is saying that it's not his/the religion's fault that so many people died attending something to do with the religion, but it's fate and therefore nothing can be done?

Well that's stupid. Another case of religion trying to hold back advancement (in this case, safety,) though mainly just so they can save face.

[Teneb]

Saudi authorities not to blame for tragedy: "All complaints should be addressed to God."

So, in other words, that priest is saying that it's not his/the religion's fault that so many people died attending something to do with the religion, but it's fate and therefore nothing can be done?

Well that's stupid. Another case of religion trying to hold back advancement (in this case, safety,) though mainly just so they can save face.

I'd say it's not even religion, just shitty administration.

[TD1]

The justification for said bad admin - that it is somehow fate - is a definite religious one, though.

[redwallzyl]

Saudi authorities not to blame for tragedy: "All complaints should be addressed to God."

So, in other words, that priest is saying that it's not his/the religion's fault that so many people died attending something to do with the religion, but it's fate and therefore nothing can be done?

Well that's stupid. Another case of religion trying to hold back advancement (in this case, safety,) though mainly just so they can save face.

that has nothing to do with religion at all, just people not wanting to take blame and face consequences for their ineptitude by shifting blame. in other words everyone ever. welcome to humanity.

[TD1]

The shitty excuse given is a supernatural, religious one. Welcome to religion.

[Orange Wizard]

The guy making the excuse is a priest. Of course it's religious. It's like the Pope saying his safety's in God's hands, it'd sound weird if he blamed the Muslim equivalent of the Swiss Guard or something.

[Bohandas]

Saudi authorities not to blame for tragedy: "All complaints should be addressed to God."

So, in other words, that priest is saying that it's not his/the religion's fault that so many people died attending something to do with the religion, but it's fate and therefore nothing can be done?

Well that's stupid. Another case of religion trying to hold back advancement (in this case, safety,) though mainly just so they can save face.

that has nothing to do with religion at all, just people not wanting to take blame and face consequences for their ineptitude by shifting blame.

That's religion

[Helgoland]

Let me put it as clearly and succinctly as I can:

No.

[Rolan7]

Yeah, modern religions usually grant the credit to their deity, but none of the blame.

[Loud Whispers]

@Helgo, sounds like religion.
@Rolan, makes sense don't it? You always credit your leader with what you've done and when you fuck up your leader takes responsibility. Well, ideally anyways. If you believe in a divine leader then it stands to reason that you expect your divine leader to take responsibility for good and bad.

[penguinofhonor]

In apocalypse news, there is a blood moon tonight. Pope Francis, the false prophet, has been parading around America making his preparations for armageddon. New World Order is apparently in order. Tonight is going to be big, whether your views are based in bizarre astrology or Christian theology, so be prepared.

I have seen signs that something great is happening. Take TomorrowWorld, a huge electronic dance music festival happening this weekend in Georgia. The acts tonight were planned around the blood moon - clearly organized by the Devil. From the beginning the festival was assaulted by rain and floods, as God himself tried to turn people away from this celebration of dark hedonism. He was victorious and the last day (today) was cancelled - who knows what the Antichrist planned for those people? God won the battle, but let's hope He's winning the war.

I am heading out into the countryside soon to see the blood moon. Anything could happen. There have been a lot of theories about this past week that were wrong - who knew the ones about tonight were right? Whether the world is torn apart by earthquakes or some of us ascend to a new level of existence or everything changes radically in a way nobody notices, see you guys later.

[Bohandas]

@Helgo, sounds like religion.
@Rolan, makes sense don't it? You always credit your leader with what you've done and when you fuck up your leader takes responsibility. Well, ideally anyways. If you believe in a divine leader then it stands to reason that you expect your divine leader to take responsibility for good and bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPriOQkKd6k

All things dull and ugly
All creatures short and squat
All things rude and nasty
The Lord God made the lot

Each little snake that poisons
Each little wasp that stings
He made their brutish venom
He made their horrid wings

All things sick and cancerous
All evil great and small
All things foul and dangerous
The Lord God made them all

Each nasty little hornet
Each beastly little squid
Who made the spiky urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did

All things scabbed and ulcerous
All pox both great and small
Putrid, foul and gangrenous
The Lord God made them all

Amen

[Rolan7]

@Helgo, sounds like religion.
@Rolan, makes sense don't it? You always credit your leader with what you've done and when you fuck up your leader takes responsibility. Well, ideally anyways. If you believe in a divine leader then it stands to reason that you expect your divine leader to take responsibility for good and bad.

Gosh that sure would make sense.  That's not how many modern, Biblically-illiterate Christians treat God though.  Everything good is His grace, everything bad is Satan or inexplicable or teh gays.  Or "somehow a good thing", we just don't understand how.

I had my brother over recently and I'd just like to reiterate...  Religions evolve like organisms.  Specifically symbiotes.  This is especially true of religions without central governing bodies.  Eventually, for some people, Catholicism wasn't evolving fast enough.  So Protestantism broke off as an absurdly mutagenic, adaptable...  thing.

Now we've got Christians who aren't sure that Jesus actually, like, existed...  But they totally agree with his teachings!  He was all about kindness, acceptance, forgiveness...

Blissfully unaware of the actual story of Jesus, at least the Biblical version.  Jesus is literally an abuser making a show of "hurting" himself to shame his victims into compliance.  Along with a threat of literally infinite punishment.  As if life on Earth wasn't already abuse enough...

Even the God of the Old Testament allowed people to end!  The New Testament is WORSE than all the explicit racism and sexism.  Systematic-rape sexism.  The New Testament goes even farther.

For many Christians, the religion has moved into a cyst stage where they believe basically nothing of substance.  But they're still definitely Christians, just waiting to be radicalized.  Whether it take years, or even generations.

Edit: I said "symbiotes" because religions do help people cope with life...
But I think that, arguably, religions are a parasite on spirituality.  Spirituality gives the benefit.

[Helgoland]

Now we've got Christians who aren't sure that Jesus actually, like, existed...  But they totally agree with his teachings!  He was all about kindness, acceptance, forgiveness...

Blissfully unaware of the actual story of Jesus, at least the Biblical version.  Jesus is literally an abuser making a show of "hurting" himself to shame his victims into compliance.  Along with a threat of literally infinite punishment.  As if life on Earth wasn't already abuse enough...

Even the God of the Old Testament allowed people to end!  The New Testament is WORSE than all the explicit racism and sexism.  Systematic-rape sexism.  The New Testament goes even farther.

That description of the New Testament's content is \stunningly accurate\.