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I am religious and believe in free will

70 (27.6%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

113 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (24%)

Total Members Voted: 249

[Teneb]

Anyways, everybody knows your soul just gets transfered to another body when you die.

Please. Everyone knows that there is no "dying"; people just get a plastic surgery and change their names.

[Loud Whispers]

Spoiler: It was either this thread or the laugh one (click to show/hide)

But how will he receive orders from the Kremlin while his antenna is compromised like that?

Bow to God, God bows to you

[origamiscienceguy]

There is much debate about whether animals go to heaven, or if they even go anywhere at all. I am of the opinion that they don't go to heaven, and they were created for the earth for humans.

[Arx]

I am entirely able to conceive the idea of there being no afterlife for humans. I just think it's wrong.

Why is it right for animals (at least, I assume you think so) but wrong for humans?

I don't actually know. I guess I'm agnostic concerning it? It's just not actually a critical issue compared to the rest of Christianity.

[Loud Whispers]

There is much debate about whether animals go to heaven, or if they even go anywhere at all. I am of the opinion that they don't go to heaven, and they were created for the earth for humans.

Nah they'd follow us to heaven and hell, bacon in the garden of eden, flies, wasps and mosquitoes in hell
Made for us, made to bugger us

[Rose]

I'd argue that humans don't have an afterlife, nor do any other animals.

Except mosquitoes. Mosquitoes have an afterlife, and are made in god's image.

[Teneb]

Except mosquitoes. Mosquitoes have an afterlife, and are made in god's image.

Is the current pandemic divine wrath then?

[Orange Wizard]

Except mosquitoes. Mosquitoes have an afterlife, and are made in god's image.

Don't forget streptococcus. Word become flesh-eating parasite.

[Egan_BW]

All the more reason to hate god, I guess.

[TD1]

No, no, no - God is meant to be praised, no matter what he does

[Rolepgeek]

No, no, no - God is meant to be praised, no matter what he does

Well, yeah.

I feel like the Jewish view is a bit more honest in that respect. You don't necessarily worship God for being good; you worship him because he's God, and if you don't, you're gonna piss him off. Zeus was just the God of Lightning, and look what he did to people who pissed him off. You think the Alpha and Omega who's destroyed the world once already in flood will be any more forgiving?

New Testament God is the nice-ish one.

Oh, and this is a bit old, but in reference to the whole eternal punishment and deferment thing and blah; in comparison to infinity, all else eventually becomes negligible. Including punishment. Therefore, the only effective punishment is an eternity of something. Or purgatory, I suppose, but trying to reconcile different branches of Christian thought as if they were one entity is guaranteed to bring in headaches.

[TD1]

Thing is, it is my belief/assumption that most people don't praise God because he's what they'd typically call praiseworthy, necessarily. More to the point, they believe in him. As they believe in him, they know that if they don't praise him, they go to hell. So it's not that they're praising Him because he deserves it, per se - it's still the old praise-or-be-punished formula. It's just eschatological punishment.

[scrdest]

Thing is, it is my belief/assumption that most people don't praise God because he's what they'd typically call praiseworthy, necessarily. More to the point, they believe in him. As they believe in him, they know that if they don't praise him, they go to hell. So it's not that they're praising Him because he deserves it, per se - it's still the old praise-or-be-punished formula. It's just eschatological punishment.

It's pretty much impossible to praise God for being praiseworthy and simultaneously holding a Judeo-Christian-style morality based on divine mandates.

If you do the latter, you intrinsically accept that X is Good because God says so, thus God being Good is pretty much tautologically true - if you claim to praise him because of his goodness, it boils down to praising him because he exists, whatever he does. He could club baby seals for fun, but since he says he's good, well, he's right, because he's God, he decides.

That would mean the only praiseworthy God who's not wanking himself with morality is a God who is either someone beholden to an objective (i.e. independent of any being whatsoever, mortal or not - at least presuming you don't make a rather heretical claim there's a God above God) source of morality and is only relaying the moral truth to humanity...

...but that brings along the hilarious implication that all the stuff about not worshipping other gods and the like is quite likely God being a self-serving unreliable source hijacking the regular objective moral stuff to entrench his position as an object of worship.

[Rolan7]

I'd argue that humans don't have an afterlife, nor do any other animals.

Except mosquitoes. Mosquitoes have an afterlife, and are made in god's image.

And that afterlife is here, yes?

[Loud Whispers]

I'd argue that humans don't have an afterlife, nor do any other animals.

Except mosquitoes. Mosquitoes have an afterlife, and are made in god's image.

And that afterlife is here, yes?

Deep

Deeper than hell

Which is here