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Author Topic: Emotional Responses to War in Ukraine - Personal Diary & Mutual Support  (Read 119102 times)

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« Reply #780 on: August 06, 2022, 11:07:55 am »

Anyway, back to actual news.

A Ukrainian counter-offensive and liberation of Kherson is less and less likely, Russian brought A LOT of troops there and their offensive towards Mykolaiv and\or Kryviy Rih looks more likely than any progress in liberation of Kherson. They also keep pushing on the Eastern front, slowly but steadily. Russian reserves look infinite... I don't think that any major Ukrainian counter-offensive is possible ATM.

Speaking about Kherson, here is a really good article about the situation in Kherson
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« Reply #781 on: August 06, 2022, 01:08:57 pm »

Thanks for the article!

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« Reply #782 on: August 06, 2022, 05:14:09 pm »

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« Reply #783 on: August 06, 2022, 08:09:00 pm »

On top of Russia seemingly being a bunch of zombies in terms of them just throwing people at the problem, I'm seeing reports (at least on twitter, haven't looked too much into it, but my dad heard about it too)..."retired" (sure sure) chinese military personal are joining in and signing up with russia to fight in ukraine.
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« Reply #784 on: August 06, 2022, 08:57:05 pm »

There's also claims that North Korea is sending "Volunteers", but little evidence to support it.
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« Reply #785 on: August 07, 2022, 12:22:01 am »

If China would have any interest in helping Russia, we would see Chinese military hardware (at the very least trucks, lack of which is becoming a problem for Russia, they use more and more of ancient Soviet stock or even civilian trucks.) long before any "volunteers".


It does look like Iran is selling UAVs to Russia, but I haven't seen definitive proof of that yet.
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« Reply #786 on: August 07, 2022, 03:22:22 am »

I think Amnesty International won't be popular in Ukraine any time soon.

Spoiler: All Lives Matter! (click to show/hide)

Yes, it is exactly the same as the "all lives matter"...  In theory, it is a positive message. In reality it says "We are annoyed that you are paying so much attention to bla... Ukrainians"

Also, what a GREAT way to spend donated money
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« Reply #787 on: August 07, 2022, 03:28:33 am »

Maybe this war is a secret Russian plan for how to get rid of all that old Soviet stuff they have sitting around.
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« Reply #788 on: August 07, 2022, 04:21:53 am »

Nah, then they would have deployed Putin to the front lines already
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« Reply #789 on: August 07, 2022, 04:35:03 am »

I love the theory that Putin is a Chinese spy doing everything to destroy Russia. As far as conspiracy theories go, this one isn't that bad
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« Reply #790 on: August 07, 2022, 06:16:57 am »

In reality it says "We are annoyed that you are paying so much attention to bla... Ukrainians"
I think that's just your reading. The concern about double standards is legitimate.
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« Reply #791 on: August 07, 2022, 07:58:42 am »

There is no double standard, because they are comparing different situations.

Take my country, Sweden. Russia is, apart from a short period if German belligerence, the only country to threaten Sweden fir the last 200-300 years. Russia, as such, is the "inheritance enemy" of the Swedes. The threat of Russia attacking, though politically ignored for the last 30 years, still has had a very big impact on our culture.

Then we have the large section of the populace that us Slavic- or Eastern-European-rooted, and thus carries their own historical baggage against Russia/USSR.

In addition to that history, it is the case that Russia has acted with increasing military hostility towards Sweden, with breaches of our airspace and similar often happening several times a year, as well as diplomatic threats being common -- the intimidation attempts that garnered international attention when Sweden and Finland tipped over to joining NATO earlier this year may have been newsworthy to the world, but for us it is just more of or the culmination of what we already get om a regular basis.

Then there's the socio-economic factor, where the people of Sweden are much more intertwined with Ukraine both by Ukrainians working here and Swedes working there, and this greater "everyday connection" results in greater emotional bonds.

So yeah, there's a whole slew of reasons for why Swedes would feel that "Ukraine's sake is ours", to paraphrase an old relevant slogan, and you have to ignore all that history and currentory if you want to pretend the different reactions are just different standards for the same thing. It's a very flat view of the world to take.
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« Reply #792 on: August 07, 2022, 08:14:39 am »

Oh, sure. There are reasons for people to feel more inclined to accept Ukrainian immigration.  That's the whole basis for a double standard. When there's a wholesale acceptance of one kind of immigrants fleeing from being bombed by Russians, while just a few hundred km north another kind fleeing from the same thing are being pushed back across the Belarusian border, denied even a fraction of the welcoming treatment,  it should make one stop and reflect on the underlying motivation.
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« Reply #793 on: August 07, 2022, 12:59:24 pm »

Amnesty International deeply regrets the distress and anger that our press release on the Ukrainian military's fighting tactics has caused.

Amnesty International’s priority in this and in any conflict is ensuring that civilians are protected. Indeed, this was our sole objective when releasing this latest piece of research. While we fully stand by our findings, we regret the pain caused.


*Laugh hysterically*

What an apology! I read it as:

"Dear friend, I am completely right and did nothing wrong but I am sorry that you are so stupid to be insulted by my actions"
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« Reply #794 on: August 07, 2022, 01:42:47 pm »

I mean… if the Ukrainian military are stationing troops and materiel near civilians, then yeah. That’s bad.
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