Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 05, 2017, 09:18:13 pm
"Null. If a paradox like last game happens again, it will lead to a total collapse of this reality!"
"But we can just make a new one!"
"Do you really want to waste time on that?"
"... no, lowercase. I really should check up on No one of these days."
"You go do that. I'll get started configuring the thingies and beckoning Manifestations..."
In came the Manifestations, drawn to the third Mafia game hosted by the dreaded Null Nevermore.
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The rules:
Basic mafia rules (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.0) are in effect. Also a few reminders:
No sending PMs to other players(unless you're a mafia player, in which case you can send PMs to your scum buddy(ies)).
Don't directly quote your role PM(you may paraphrase it, and you are allowed to directly quote things I've said in thread).
If you're dead, you get one bah post(no game-relevant content). After that, no more posting. Unless you come back to life(role powers, eh?).
You may only take one action per phase unless your role notes an exception to this rule.
A special hammer system is in effect:
The game will consist of 72 hour days and 48 hour nights(the time will not pass during weekends). During the day, the day may end because of a hammer(getting the majority of the game's available votes on a player will lynch that player, ending the day), or because of the deadline. What makes this system different is that at LYLO or MYLO, the hammer system will not be active, and the only way to end the day will be via reaching the deadline. To prevent mod confirmation of the fact that it's MYLO or LYLO, the fact that the hammer system is not or is being used will not be announced.
The extend system has been extensively tweaked. Each player has a personal extension which can be freely used by them to extend the day phase by 24 hours. A majority of players can vote to extend the day by 48 hours once per day(a supermajority can vote to shorten, instantly ending the day, in the same manner). On Day 1, the deadline will start off 48 hours later than normal, to account for the tendency of player to always extend on day 1.
Any and all of the normal rules and whatnot may be subverted/modified/disabled/whatever by role powers.
There may be third parties present in the game.
This is a BYOR, meaning when you go in, you must also PM me something for me to build your role out of. What are you allowed to submit? Almost everything. Basically, if it doesn't violate the forum rules and guidelines, and I think I can make something fun out of it, it should be fine. I reserve the right to veto your role submission.
The theme this round is: TvTropes. When you make your role submission, you must also submit a linked trope from TvTropes. You may choose to submit two tropes instead, but in that case, I will add an additional flaw to your role. Y'know, for extra !!fun!!.
I will create a special rule based off of each submitted trope. Each day, players will see a list of what tropes have not yet been used(but not their effects) and may vote to activate one of them.
The effect of the activated trope will start at the end of the day where the rule is voted on and will end at the end of the next day by default, if a trope has an effect that lasts longer, it will be noted. When a trope is activated, its effect or part of its effect may or may not be automatically revealed. If no trope is activated by vote in a day, a random unactivated trope will be activated.
The trope rules may be subverted/modified/disabled/whatever by role powers.
I repeat, you submit a trope in addition to your role submission. Not a trope by itself, a trope(or two) and your role submission. My apologies for being confusing.
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The game will start... sooner or later. As soon as I have at least 7 players(9 is my preference) and signups grind to a halt.
Spoiler: Game Spoilers (click to show/hide)
Replacement list:
-(?)
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Please inform me(via PM is my preference) if you notice any mistakes I may have made(in the OP, in actions... vote counts... basically everything).
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 06, 2017, 10:24:38 am
Post by: Silthuri on December 06, 2017, 11:02:39 am
Post by: notquitethere on December 06, 2017, 02:04:09 pm
Post by: kingawsume on December 07, 2017, 04:41:33 pm
Post by: Tiruin on December 09, 2017, 03:40:06 am
Ptw and to possibly join should this start after the 15th.Sil being in?
I'm going in :3
Strange trope link to be PM'd later!
Post by: Silthuri on December 09, 2017, 03:55:05 pm
Ptw and to possibly join should this start after the 15th.Sil being in?
I'm going in :3
Strange trope link to be PM'd later!
Oh heck. In then. :v
Post by: randomgenericusername on December 12, 2017, 04:29:42 pm
Post by: notquitethere on December 12, 2017, 05:33:21 pm
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on December 12, 2017, 06:00:04 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 12, 2017, 07:17:43 pm
I haven't played mafia before except maybe once or twice in the past and I was wonderig if I could join this one.I have no problems with that. Just send in your role+trope submission.
Hey, so I wanted to ask if this game could be considered newbie friendly?That, on the other hand, depends on your tolerance for weirdness. It's not quite so simple as a BM, but the essence of the game remains unchanged. It's not like a bastard mod game where the essence itself changes, you're still town trying to find scum or scum trying to hide from and murderize town(with maybe a third party or two thrown in for fun). I'd say go for it, though. You'll still learn the basics, but it'll be more fun this way.
Post by: randomgenericusername on December 12, 2017, 07:51:25 pm
Post by: GigaGiant on December 18, 2017, 08:09:55 pm
I'm the same as randomgenericusername. I'm a total newbie, but I'd like to give mafia a shot. Several of the forum games I was involved in seem to have died, so I should have plenty of time for this.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 18, 2017, 08:11:41 pm
... I still need both of your role and trope submissions.
Post by: GigaGiant on December 18, 2017, 08:17:18 pm
Excellent! That makes eight players.
... I still need both of your role and trope submissions.
PM sent.
Post by: randomgenericusername on December 18, 2017, 08:43:15 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 18, 2017, 08:55:38 pm
BTW I sent my PM when I posted In.d'oh. Forgot about that, sorry.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 19, 2017, 07:44:10 pm
Post by: Tawa on December 19, 2017, 10:42:06 pm
Post by: GigaGiant on December 21, 2017, 01:21:31 am
Post by: juicebox on December 21, 2017, 06:15:13 pm
Post by: Imic on December 22, 2017, 05:28:38 am
Sign me up. In!
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 23, 2017, 06:18:28 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 27, 2017, 01:36:26 pm
Role baking and trope baking begins!
Meanwhile, you folks can confirm that you're in.
Post by: GigaGiant on December 27, 2017, 03:01:12 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on December 27, 2017, 03:07:59 pm
Post by: notquitethere on December 27, 2017, 03:10:44 pm
Post by: Silthuri on December 27, 2017, 03:18:19 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on December 27, 2017, 04:13:40 pm
Post by: juicebox on December 27, 2017, 06:00:41 pm
Post by: kingawsume on December 27, 2017, 11:36:55 pm
Post by: GigaGiant on December 28, 2017, 01:13:32 pm
FallacyOfUrist, is there a set day for the game to start, or are we waiting for everyone to confirm first?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on December 28, 2017, 01:23:34 pm
FallacyOfUrist, is there a set day for the game to start, or are we waiting for everyone to confirm first?I plan on starting sometime after Monday. I'm doing a bit of travel this week. I'm leaving tomorrow and will get back Monday. After that, I'll need a bit more time to bake roles and tropes. My current projection is Wednesday. At that point, I'll poke those who haven't confirmed, and at the end of the game day, those who still haven't confirmed will be replaced.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on December 28, 2017, 03:04:43 pm
Post by: Imic on December 28, 2017, 04:25:04 pm
Post by: Tiruin on December 28, 2017, 09:01:40 pm
Tiruin, BlackHeartKabal, Tawa, and Imic are the only ones left to confirm.I didn't know I needed to confirm :-[ oops!
FallacyOfUrist, is there a set day for the game to start, or are we waiting for everyone to confirm first?
Cuniform in!
Post by: Tawa on January 01, 2018, 07:25:44 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 01, 2018, 07:34:18 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 01, 2018, 07:37:57 pm
Projection of rolebaking completion moved to Tuesday or possibly today.
... I really enjoy this baking. It's just as good as the real thing(on a side note, walnut raisin bread is delicious).
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Edit:
The following ability I have decided will not be in the game.
(Nope) (1-Shot, Day, [REDACTED]): Wrath of Shakerag [target]: You cannot use this ability if you are mafia and the mafiakill was performed successfully the previous night. Your target is killed and the message “Shakerag did it” is posted.
Doing final touch-ups on roles and tropes.
Edit2:
And remember:
Right, this is a BYOR, all sorts of bullshit happens in BYORs.
Edit3: Game starts early tomorrow. Hype!
Post by: kingawsume on January 02, 2018, 12:48:12 am
Spoiler: Big pic (click to show/hide)
Post by: Imic on January 02, 2018, 05:11:54 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 02, 2018, 11:23:57 am
Wait, what?
Trope: The Coconut Effect: Inverted! The game will start with this trope in effect. The game starts with night instead of day. On Night 0, no actions that can be lethal can be used, voluntarily or otherwise.
Darkness fell. Null laughed. And the game began.
Who would live? Who would die? What madness would the game bring? Who were the traitors within the many? What are the answer to the mysteries?!
That's up to you. Good luck. Have fun.
It is now Night 0. No lethal actions can be used this night. Once you get your role PMs, send in your night actions or lack thereof. Night 0 will end 8:00 PM Central/Forum time on Thursday, or when I have all actions. ((It's not quite exactly 48 hours, I know, but 8:00 PM Central/Forum time is more convenient for me than 11:20 AM Central/Forum time.))
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 04, 2018, 09:04:04 pm
Yes I know I'm an hour late. Got my time zone and Central mixed up.
Spoiler alert: nobody died.))
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 04, 2018, 09:58:58 pm
"I would be disappointed, but it wouldn't be fun to have somebody have no shot at diplomatically murdering someone else. Get to it!"
Day 1 has begun, and will end 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time on next Thursday(48 hours later than normal due to it being Day 1). The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
Votecount:
(0) *Maximum Spin:
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) *Tiruin:
(0) *Silthuri:
(0) *BlackHeartKabal:
(0) *randomgenericusername:
(0) *GigaGiant:
(0) *Tawa:
(0) *juicebox:
(0) *Imic:
Not voting: everybody
(* denotes that the player has not yet used their personal 24 hour extension)
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(0) Boring But Practical:
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck:
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks:
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Clock King:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(0) Hilarity Ensues:
(0) Jumping The Shark:
Not voting: everybody
Trope in Effect: The Coconut Effect(scroll up)
Post by: notquitethere on January 04, 2018, 10:20:00 pm
Silthuri, why would I be suspicious of you?
GigaGiant, did you submit any of the tropes?
Tawa, which of the tropes do you most like the sound of?
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 04, 2018, 10:57:18 pm
Post by: GigaGiant on January 04, 2018, 11:28:43 pm
GigaGiant, did you submit any of the tropes?Yes, I did. I'd tell you which one I submitted, but I'm worried that there might be hostile parties present who could use that information for nefarious purposes.
Imic - Hiya! What do you believe was your biggest mistake in the last mafia game you played and how do you intend to avoid that mistake again?
Silthuri - How's life going? What do you think are the worst types of RVS questions to ask?
randomgenericusername - What type of mafia games have you played in the past?
kingawsume - Do you think it's always a good idea to lynch a player on Day 1? Why?
Tiruin - What do you think is notquitethere's greatest strength as a town player and his greatest weakness as a scum player?
notquitethere - What do you think is Tiruin's greatest weakness as a town player and her greatest strength as a scum player?
Maximum Spin - What do you think is the best way to use your vote during the RVS stage?
juicebox - Let's say you have the one-shot ability to redirect the votes of up to two players at the end of any day phase. In what situation would you use this ability?
Tawa - How much weight do you give a Finger of Suspicion, early game, mid game, and late game? Also, what do you think about people who ask questions that they already know the answer to?
BlackHeartKabal - Choose any question that I asked someone else in this post and give your answer to it. Why did you choose that question?
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 04, 2018, 11:40:30 pm
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randomgenericusername - What type of mafia games have you played in the past?I used to play in sites like Epicmafia, ToS and others, and played forum mafia a long time ago. I know the basics and I have read some of the old mafia games here, but I don't know how does the random question thing works.
Now I'm going to sleep. I'll be back tomorrow.
Post by: Silthuri on January 05, 2018, 12:03:27 am
Silthuri, why would I be suspicious of you?Because you don't have any reason to suspect anyone and you pulled my name out of a hat probably?
Silthuri - How's life going? What do you think are the worst types of RVS questions to ask?Life's going swell. I'll be a college graduate once I get my diploma in the mail so I'm pretty excite. As for worst questions, I think it has to be questions that have absolutely nothing to do with anything and can't be of use ever. Like the time someone asked "tea or coffee" or what color underwear someone was wearing. They're fun, but useless for the game.
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Tiru: Henlo. Are you a scummy scum?
Randomgenericfrien: do you feel others might have a bit of an advantage in scum hunting because moat of us have played with each other before and know each other's playstyles?
GigaGiant: why would you want a trope that has evil in the name? What doom do you want to bring down upon us?
Post by: Tiruin on January 05, 2018, 03:36:58 am
And/or Fallacy did stuff I don't understand. My day PM (I did NUTHIN yesterday...err night), told me I was roleblocked, as in the 'when day happens you get a PM probably'. :P
Thinking about it in my first post, this is pretty unorthodox of my manner of speaking but I realize I didn't mention it pre-game; I'ma do dis thing casually for funsies :D (And I don't think I understood how to PM role/trope, and still don't). However, I'ma address all the stuffs by other people to me later on because I'm wondering. Everyone: What're your thoughts about claiming the trope you sent in?
Everyone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people? My own thoughts here are that some people (not me) got info in their night action, and some didn't. Pre-explaining my intent here, it's for information as I'm betting out of 11 people, at least 2 are scum [this is moreso just my assumptions being pushed out because I lack time in posting :v]. Exclusive with me...seeing the first 4 posts being brevity, I'm curious and also wanting communication to be something ever-present as this is pretty much the only Mafia game running now. :P Right next to the Happy 2018 celebrations and otherwise. Otherwise, I'd also like to inquire (to FoU: can we ask you stuff about tropes; how do they work (clarify OP?); will we get a clear answer, or at least a definite one if you cannot reveal information directly? Reading up, NQT seems to boop the Shark Trope...um, y'all shouldn't use red, else it'll be parsed as votes. :v
NQT
Rocks Fall Everyone Dies sounds like a recipe for total party kill, so I think it would be best if we picked a trope rather than letting it go random. As such, let's Jump the Shark already.WHERE AM I IN THERE? WHY ARE YOU NOT SUSPICIOUS OF ME? D:<
Silthuri, why would I be suspicious of you?
GigaGiant, did you submit any of the tropes?
Tawa, which of the tropes do you most like the sound of?
Why are your first questions otherwise all about tropes?
GG (You okay with this abbreviation?)
Yeah...I'm not a fan of the falling rocks either. I think Affably Evil might be worth a try. It sounds like a trope that could possibly add some kind of nerf to the scum.That's some assumption :vGigaGiant, did you submit any of the tropes?Yes, I did. I'd tell you which one I submitted, but I'm worried that there might be hostile parties present who could use that information for nefarious purposes.
But you mentioned a something up there anyway.
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Tiruin - What do you think is notquitethere's greatest strength as a town player and his greatest weakness as a scum player?Why are you asking about me and NQT, rather than anyone else here?
Why ask us to cross-examine each other, and not other people present?
NQT is a philosopher inasmuch as I am a psychology. We are tea buddies, because he is British! :3 His greatest strength insofar as I've observed when he is scum, is he is too meticulous. His greatest weakness when he is town, is that he may rely too much on conformity towards strategies in hunting scum (by the book), however both strength and weakness mix in how flexible he is with how he uses those patterns as either.
To what end will you use this polarized information?
Also what is your experience with forum mafia? :) [Welcooome to Bay12! (~'u')~]
Sil! ♥
QuestionsHewwo! OwO
Tiru: Henlo. Are you a scummy scum?
I am MOSS! :I How dare anyone infer I be scum! I am not an impurity!
Ooh I am excite! Pfp because am going to sleep soon. Heads up: I hate RVS. Always have and probably always will. I'm also tired af so forgive any typos.Silthuri, why would I be suspicious of you?Because you don't have any reason to suspect anyone and you pulled my name out of a hat probably?Silthuri - How's life going? What do you think are the worst types of RVS questions to ask?The 'everyone' query above applies to you as my question for lack of a query poking you. :P
Post by: Silthuri on January 05, 2018, 04:10:44 am
Everyone: What're your thoughts about claiming the trope you sent in?Personally, I see no point in claiming now. Shenanigans might require claiming somewhere down the road but just in case, imma wait.
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Everyone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people?Day 1 I'm going to be pretty relaxed. Just the usual random questioning and taking notes on answers for later use. I'm not big on rvs which takes up most if not all of day 1.
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Sowwy moss frien. :3QuestionsHewwo! OwO
Tiru: Henlo. Are you a scummy scum?
I am MOSS! :I How dare anyone infer I be scum! I am not an impurity!
Post by: Tiruin on January 05, 2018, 04:21:23 am
That said, let's make this post a bit more relevant T_T
Votecount please, FoU! Because it hit me that people may be voting the tropes to see what'd happen. I'm unsure :v it seems like an unspoken thingy.
Post by: Imic on January 05, 2018, 04:25:34 am
Gigagiant I intend to be somewhat more cautious this time around. To that extent, why do you seem suspicioud to me? Don't take it as some random comment, it's a genuine question.
Tiruin I don't really know which trope I should go behind, I think I'll wait until later to choose.
I think I'm going to watch and wait to see what happens.
Post by: Tiruin on January 05, 2018, 04:32:26 am
To clarify me asking for clarification.
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I will create a special rule based off of each submitted trope. Each day, players will see a list of what tropes have not yet been used(but not their effects) and may vote to activate one of them.FoU: Only ONE trope may be voted on? What happens if a tie occurs?
The effect of the activated trope will start at the end of the day where the rule is voted on and will end at the end of the next day by default, if a trope has an effect that lasts longer, it will be noted. When a trope is activated, its effect or part of its effect may or may not be automatically revealed. If no trope is activated by vote in a day, a random unactivated trope will be activated.
The trope rules may be subverted/modified/disabled/whatever by role powers.
Is the trope tied to the person who submitted it?
Post by: notquitethere on January 05, 2018, 05:11:49 am
Yeah...I'm not a fan of the falling rocks either. I think Affably Evil might be worth a try. It sounds like a trope that could possibly add some kind of nerf to the scum.Does being affable make evil less powerful or just friendlier? If you were Fallacy, how would you have implemented it?
Yes, I did. I'd tell you which one I submitted, but I'm worried that there might be hostile parties present who could use that information for nefarious purposes.Hmm, I guess it's not inconceivable that there are players with powers that do something with the link between tropes and players. I won't press this point.
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notquitethere - What do you think is Tiruin's greatest weakness as a town player and her greatest strength as a scum player?Her greatest weakness as a town player is that she sometimes doesn't communicate with clarity, so other town players don't always properly read the (often valid) points she's trying to make. Her greatest strength as a scum player is that her playstyle doesn't differ drastically from when she's town, and she manages to cultivate an air of innocence about her such that others don't really want to lynch her.
What do you think Tiruin's greatest strength as town and weakness as scum is?
randomgenericusername
But Katanas Are Just Better! And you don't Jump the Shark on the first episode. That is not how it works, you use it as a last resort once you run out of ideas. Using it on the first day is probably a very bad idea.That's a pretty compelling argument.
I'm going to throw my hat in the ring for Hilarity Ensues. My reasoning is thus: it wouldn't be hilarious if this rule egregiously changed the game terms in favour of the scum, so it's probably safe.
Silthuri
Because you don't have any reason to suspect anyone and you pulled my name out of a hat probably?Is it true that you don't have any reason to suspect anyone?
Tiruin
Everyone: What're your thoughts about claiming the trope you sent in?I don't personally mind, but Giga might be right about there being powers that require that knowledge. Some paranoia is healthy.
Everyone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people?We have very little information, but not none! I'll be paying attention to players who vote with conviction (without outing them) as they're the people most likely to have gained information in the night.
NQT seems to boop the Shark Trope...um, y'all shouldn't use red, else it'll be parsed as votes. :vFallacy, what's the best way to vote for tropes?
WHERE AM I IN THERE? WHY ARE YOU NOT SUSPICIOUS OF ME? D:<I'm suspicious of you know if that helps! I only had so much time, I'll get around to talking to everyone-- don't worry!
Why are your first questions otherwise all about tropes?
My questions were about tropes because they're interesting and mechanically relevant in a way that effects us all. Asking about tropes doesn't endanger anyone's hidden abilities either.
Post by: Tawa on January 05, 2018, 09:06:58 am
Tawa - How much weight do you give a Finger of Suspicion, early game, mid game, and late game? Also, what do you think about people who ask questions that they already know the answer to?About the same throughout, but somewhat less day 1, and much less super early-game. Once people have actually started conversations the meaning of a FoS skyrockets.
Tawa, which of the tropes do you most like the sound of?I'm a fan of Boring but Practical, personally.
Everyone: What're your thoughts about claiming the trope you sent in?Incidentally, I submitted Boring but Practical. Can't hurt to claim them, right?
Everyone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people?I prefer to sit and watch until people are actually talking, at which point I jump in.
Why do you, Tiruin, care so much about how other people look for scum?
Post by: Tiruin on January 05, 2018, 09:31:45 am
Chat :3 In making a partially leading idea, it brings up communication and ideas on how people act to a hypothesized scenario.Everyone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people?I prefer to sit and watch until people are actually talking, at which point I jump in.
Why do you, Tiruin, care so much about how other people look for scum?
Adding a 'so much' there makes it sound a bit off there, though. :P
PFP sleeeep
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 05, 2018, 09:35:40 am
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Randomgenericfrien: do you feel others might have a bit of an advantage in scum hunting because moat of us have played with each other before and know each other's playstyles?Of course. I also don't like the idea of using meta so I'll probably be always on disadvantage.
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Everyone: What're your thoughts about claiming the trope you sent in?I think it's fine, since I don't think it's really alignment indicative and tropes were submitted before roles were baked. Even harmful ones like Rock Falls Everyone Dies are bad for scum. I could claim mine right now if someone wants to.
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Everyone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people?We had a free day, so all investigators could do their night actions while scum was unable to kill. Right now, we have the upper hand in the game and scum probably knows that. If we use the information of the investigators correctly, we could lynch scum this day.
Note: I'm posting from phone and will probably keep doing that for a long time.
Post by: Imic on January 05, 2018, 09:44:32 am
Interesting point.QuoteEveryone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people?We had a free day, so all investigators could do their night actions while scum was unable to kill. Right now, we have the upper hand in the game and scum probably knows that. If we use the information of the investigators correctly, we could lynch scum this day.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 05, 2018, 09:54:46 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 05, 2018, 10:29:01 am
FoU: [1] Only ONE trope may be voted on? [2] What happens if a tie occurs?
[3] Is the trope tied to the person who submitted it?
[1]: Yes.
[2]: *thinks* A random trope will be selected from those tied.
[3]: Probably not. At least, not in the trope. It's possible for roles to have trope-based abilities.
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Fallacy, what's the best way to vote for tropes?Hm. Yeah, if I use the LurkerTracker, using red could make things tricky. How about you vote in purple for tropes.
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Votecount:
(1) *Maximum Spin: GigaGiant
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) *Tiruin:
(1) *Silthuri: notquitethere
(0) *BlackHeartKabal:
(0) *randomgenericusername:
(1) *GigaGiant: Silthuri
(0) *Tawa:
(0) *juicebox:
(0) *Imic:
Not voting: everybody but notquitethere, GigaGiant, and Silthuri
(* denotes that the player has not yet used their personal 24 hour extension)
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(1) Affably Evil: GigaGiant
(1) Boring But Practical: Tawa
(1) Katanas Are Just Better: randomgenericusername
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck:
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks:
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Clock King:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(1) Hilarity Ensues: notquitethere
(0) Jumping The Shark:
Not voting: everybody but GigaGiant, Tawa, randomgenericusername and notquitethere
Trope in Effect: The Coconut Effect(scroll up)
((If you detect any flaws in the counts, please let me know))
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on January 05, 2018, 11:19:47 am
BlackHeartKabal - Choose any question that I asked someone else in this post and give your answer to it. Why did you choose that question?Yes, information is good, and it's not like we can rely on investigators 100%, so it's better to get confirmed information D1 by lynching someone. Chose this because it's something I know how to answer.
kingawsume - Do you think it's always a good idea to lynch a player on Day 1? Why?
Hilarity Ensues.
Tiruin - If I gave you a new ability in exchange for your old one, would you want it back?
NQT - If I primed an ability who's feedback I had to relay through you on death, would you speak up?
Tawa - If I were third party, how would you keep me in line with the town?
Maximum Spin - If I could sync someone up to die when I do, who would you want me to bring with me?
Post by: Tawa on January 05, 2018, 11:34:27 am
Tawa - If I were third party, how would you keep me in line with the town?Depends what kind of third party we're talking. If I knew there were a serial killer on the loose, for example, I'd just keep scumhunting, but try to figure out who the SK is at the same time. The way I see it, a serial killer would be dead meat when the mafia are all that's left, but has a fighting chance when they're eliminated, so it's in an SK's benefit to go after the mafia with the town.
That's just one example, but it seems the most implied based on your question.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 05, 2018, 11:56:35 am
Hilarity Ensues.Trope votes are on purple!
Post by: GigaGiant on January 05, 2018, 02:05:33 pm
Silthuri
GigaGiant: why would you want a trope that has evil in the name? What doom do you want to bring down upon us?Yes, it has evil in the name, but it's affably evil. It just rolls off the tongue so well. Why don't you want a trope that has affably in the name? Do you hate politeness?
Tiruin
Everyone: What're your thoughts about claiming the trope you sent in?
PPE: Oh, after hearing Fallacy's comments, I guess it's not a big deal after all. See my response further down for more info.
Everyone (also): How will you treat Day 1; as in in your goal of finding scum--like how you address people? My own thoughts here are that some people (not me) got info in their night action, and some didn't. Pre-explaining my intent here, it's for information as I'm betting out of 11 people, at least 2 are scum [this is moreso just my assumptions being pushed out because I lack time in posting :v]1. I'll try to encourage conversation and generate as much information as possible that could help us catch scum.
2. I agree with you that there are at least 2 scum. There were 2 scum in the two previous FBYOR games, so it makes sense for it to be the same here. The only difference is that we have 11 players in this game instead of 9, so perhaps there's also a third party or two in this game. Based on the way my role powers are worded, I feel that there is at least one other person with a killing power, in addition to the scum.
GG (You okay with this abbreviation?)You can just call me Giga. Makes it easier for me to search for questions directed at me via ctrl+F.
1. Yeah, I suppose it is. I was just reflecting on previous games. In FBYOR2, webadict had role powers relating to the themes of people's roles. I thought there could be someone similar in this game, except involving trope submissions instead of roles. If someone like that did exist, then until I was sure that person was town, I would be wary of helping them. Though, after hearing FOU's response regarding that (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659784#msg7659784), I suppose it's not an issue after all. But, I'm probably still gonna wait until Day 2 to identify which trope I submitted, just to be safe.Yeah...I'm not a fan of the falling rocks either. I think Affably Evil might be worth a try. It sounds like a trope that could possibly add some kind of nerf to the scum.That's some assumption :vGigaGiant, did you submit any of the tropes?Yes, I did. I'd tell you which one I submitted, but I'm worried that there might be hostile parties present who could use that information for nefarious purposes.
But you mentioned a something up there anyway.
2. Affably Evil isn't the trope I submitted, so I wasn't particularly concerned about bringing attention to it.
That was part of my attempt to gain a better understanding of everyone's experience level and play style. According to the user statistics, you both have thousands of posts on the Mafia subforum, so I thought there was a pretty decent chance that both of you were familiar with each other's play style. I didn't ask anyone else a similar question because they had less posts, so I just took a quick look through their posts to access their experience and play style. Looking through you and NQT's posts was an intimidating prospect, and Bay12's glitchy search function didn't help.QuoteTiruin - What do you think is notquitethere's greatest strength as a town player and his greatest weakness as a scum player?Why are you asking about me and NQT, rather than anyone else here?
Why ask us to cross-examine each other, and not other people present?
To what end will you use this polarized information?In addition to what I learned about both of you from each other's answers, I also learned a few things regarding what each of you consider to be good and bad behavior for townies and scum. I'm hoping this information will help me get more accurate reads on both of you.
Also what is your experience with forum mafia? :) [Welcooome to Bay12! (~'u')~]I played forum mafia a few times on a Starcraft board, about a decade ago. The format was pretty similar to the BM games on this subforum, except the Mod would also provide flavor at the beginning of each new day that contained clues hinting toward the identities of the scum. I wasn't very good at the game back then. I usually spent all my time analyzing the flavor for clues, while the other players scum hunted properly. It didn't help that my flavor analysis was wrong 80% of the time. :-\ After a few games of me consistently being useless (and realizing that most of the other players regarded me as such), I pretty much lost interest in forum mafia altogether. I'm hoping that I can do better this time.
Thanks for the welcome! :)
It seems like there's 3 players that submitted a second trope and received some sort of flaw in their role. Do you think their penalties relate to their submitted tropes in some way?
Imic
Gigagiant I intend to be somewhat more cautious this time around. To that extent, why do you seem suspicioud to me? Don't take it as some random comment, it's a genuine question.There's no way for me to know exactly why I seem suspicious to you. Or did you mean to ask me "why do you seem suspicious of me?" If that was your intended question, then the answer is that I'm just as suspicious of you as everyone else.
Is there something suspicious about my play so far?
notquitethere
GigaGiantThe trope sounds like it just makes evil friendlier. If I were Fallacy, I would make the trope negatively affect the mafia's killing abilities during the night. For example, it could change the mafia kill into a mafia "knock out" that leaves a player alive, but disables them from participating during the following day. Then, the following night, the player would "wake up" and be part of the game again.Yeah...I'm not a fan of the falling rocks either. I think Affably Evil might be worth a try. It sounds like a trope that could possibly add some kind of nerf to the scum.Does being affable make evil less powerful or just friendlier? If you were Fallacy, how would you have implemented it?
Though, if Fallacy intended for each trope's effect to be balanced for both parties, then I suppose I would also have any inspections on scum always give a townie result while the trope is active.
What do you think Tiruin's greatest strength as town and weakness as scum is?As town, her nonthreatening nature makes her good at avoiding the scum kill, so she can really help town out when she has access to a good power role if she reveals herself at the right time. As scum, she needs to scum hunt more often, since she seems slightly more passive as scum. That said, I'm only familiar with her play style from reading the last two FBYOR games, so I'm not particularly confident in these evaluations.
My questions were about tropes because they're interesting and mechanically relevant in a way that effects us all. Asking about tropes doesn't endanger anyone's hidden abilities either.Are you pretty confident that all of the trope effects will apply to every player? Do you think it's possible that some of them only affect specific teams (like town-only or scum-only)?
Fallacy, here's my trope vote again, but in purple: Affably Evil
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on January 05, 2018, 03:16:23 pm
Hilarity Ensues.Hilarity Ensues.Trope votes are on purple!
Let's talk general third party, survivors and the people that get skittish when people threaten them.Tawa - If I were third party, how would you keep me in line with the town?Depends what kind of third party we're talking. If I knew there were a serial killer on the loose, for example, I'd just keep scumhunting, but try to figure out who the SK is at the same time. The way I see it, a serial killer would be dead meat when the mafia are all that's left, but has a fighting chance when they're eliminated, so it's in an SK's benefit to go after the mafia with the town.
That's just one example, but it seems the most implied based on your question.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 05, 2018, 04:22:12 pm
Post by: GigaGiant on January 05, 2018, 05:13:17 pm
I am perplexed (because yaaay stuffs is happening). o_oAre you saying you took no action last night, or that you tried to, but got role blocked so nothing happened? If the former, was there a particular reason you didn't do anything last night?
And/or Fallacy did stuff I don't understand. My day PM (I did NUTHIN yesterday...err night), told me I was roleblocked, as in the 'when day happens you get a PM probably'. :P
randomgenericusername
Newbie question: Is it bad if I only post when I'm directly adressed? I don't really know what to say since it's just day 1 and there isn't a whole lot of information to work with right now. Also maybe I'm just too passive.I know the feeling. :-\ I think it's better to take the initiative and ask other people questions about things.
Post by: Imic on January 05, 2018, 05:27:09 pm
Hilarity ensues
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2018, 06:46:10 pm
Maximum Spin - If I could sync someone up to die when I do, who would you want me to bring with me?I guess if I had to pick someone I'd say GigaGiant, but Tiruin would be a good second choice too.
Hilarity Ensues, sure, wfm.
Post by: GigaGiant on January 05, 2018, 07:22:54 pm
Gigagiant I'm asking you specifically, why should I be suspicious of you. It's a question.You should be suspicious of everyone, including myself. As for why me specifically, that's your responsibility to determine.
Hilarity ensues
Maximum Spin
I had a question for you here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659506#msg7659506)
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 05, 2018, 07:48:27 pm
Maximum SpinYou sure did!
I had a question for you here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659506#msg7659506)
I don't always answer just any question, you know. :P
But here, in return, I will precommit to answer one (1) question from you, the next that you ask, truthfully.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 05, 2018, 07:52:01 pm
Post by: kingawsume on January 05, 2018, 10:49:49 pm
kingawsume - Do you think it's always a good idea to lynch a player on Day 1? Why?I think it's not always the best idea, but it is necessary. How else are we going to get info, RVS? :P
Sorry for not posting until now, I was either under the knife or under pain meds until this morning, and didn't remember that this was happening until I got a PM email. Wisdom teeth extraction, if you wanted to know.
Post by: kingawsume on January 05, 2018, 10:50:06 pm
But why are you ignoring his question Maximum Spin? (FoS is blue, right?)Yes.
Post by: kingawsume on January 05, 2018, 10:50:49 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 05, 2018, 11:29:22 pm
TiruinY'know if I had something like the power to save people, I still would say I didn't do anything or otherwise fakeclaim what I did, aye? :PI am perplexed (because yaaay stuffs is happening). o_oAre you saying you took no action last night, or that you tried to, but got role blocked so nothing happened? If the former, was there a particular reason you didn't do anything last night?
And/or Fallacy did stuff I don't understand. My day PM (I did NUTHIN yesterday...err night), told me I was roleblocked, as in the 'when day happens you get a PM probably'. :P
What I'm saying is I chose to do nothing in N0 because there was no kill actions going on; that's all I'm saying about what I did. When I asked FoU about the roleblock bit however--he made an explicit game statement in all HIS games (so don't expect this in the vanilla, which is why I asked, because it's not in vanilla mechanics); that everyone will be told if they are roleblocked even if they did nuthin'. :P
Also I'm unsure on voting for Affably Evil ._. it looks like a powerup to evil dudes, although I don't even know how tropes work with game mechanics other than inferring (and that that trope goes all on MORAL CODES when...how does that work?). I'm also curious if people voting for specific tropes may have an agenda. :P
How does Affably Evil sound like a nerf to scum (when the trope's lower sections tell it's not?)
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[...]I usually spent all my time analyzing the flavor for clues, while the other players scum hunted properly.Welcome to Bay12, where everything has flavor even the mundane BMs! :P And everyone analyzes flavor just for funsies.
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It seems like there's 3 players that submitted a second trope and received some sort of flaw in their role. Do you think their penalties relate to their submitted tropes in some way?Doubt it. It's weird that FoU would flaw a ROLE than a trope--leading to my thinking that tropes do affect roles, even if all were done before the game started, and thus alignments rolled out. If anything, the flaw would be role-tailored I believe. Else it wouldn't really be a flaw. :P
Erh :V let's see. Here're my views.
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(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies: Probably adds lethality to everything.FoU: Color suggestion! (Orange > Purple. Some of us use Darkling! The forum backdrop and formatting of the upper boards! Making everything darker D:).
(1) Affably Evil (http://allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Affably_Evil): Powers up scum (in the end? later?) but gives them a weaker thingy maybe (or makes them good-er? Likely disguising them?)
(1) Boring But Practical (http://allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Boring_but_Practical): ...JOAT'yness? :P I've no idea how tropes work but this sounds like something to bolster vanilla actions?
(1) Katanas Are Just Better: ...This is all about swords. I have no idea whatsoever.
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck (http://allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Gosh_Dang_It_to_Heck):
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks:
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers (http://allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Star-Crossed_Lovers):
(0) Clock King:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(1) Hilarity Ensues: notquitethere
(0) Jumping The Shark:
...I somehow fail to load the tropes wiki after the above, with some links not loading or working? :v If anyone can explain what the non-linked ones are, that'd be great.
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2. I agree with you that there are at least 2 scum. There were 2 scum in the two previous FBYOR games, so it makes sense for it to be the same here. The only difference is that we have 11 players in this game instead of 9, so perhaps there's also a third party or two in this game. Based on the way my role powers are worded, I feel that there is at least one other person with a killing power, in addition to the scum.Instantaneously saying 'third party' over '3 scum'? o_O What's up with that?
BHK
Tiruin - If I gave you a new ability in exchange for your old one, would you want it back?What about MY questions to you. T_T
NQT - If I primed an ability who's feedback I had to relay through you on death, would you speak up?
Tawa - If I were third party, how would you keep me in line with the town?
Maximum Spin - If I could sync someone up to die when I do, who would you want me to bring with me?
Also I'd not like an ability thanks :O (You're free to shove me one but I like my abilities!) [/shesaysinpublic] {Nah, if I get exchanged, y'all keep em}
Also nah, if you want to shove me stuff in exchange, sure. If you built your role to shove less-useful-stuff-to-others-like a swapper, then :V.
Are you asking me ideas and then basing the replies to who you're leaning to target in the night? Because those are picky questions to certain people. o_O
Newbie question: Is it bad if I only post when I'm directly adressed? I don't really know what to say since it's just day 1 and there isn't a whole lot of information to work with right now. Also maybe I'm just too passive.Nah, that's a thing when you lack time or something. If you're a newbie and wonder what to do--communicate and engage in chat with other people! :3 You can ask them questions or quote something they said and ask it. To carry over some advice for newbies; if you are scum, think that you're playing as Town in the day, which follows in the next sentence. If you're Town, follow your wincondition--proactively think forward to 'how will I find scum best', leading to the thinking of 'how do I scope out the best assumption towards people', which leads to the theme of 'how do I feel these people out as best as I can, to ensure that my use of abilities/votes are to my wincondition'.
Meaning talk to others! :D Don't worry there buddy. Lotsa people are uncertain in their firsts (like me. I started my whole Mafia life on Bay12, I can link my first games .-.; I was a ball of anxiety and cold sweat...)
But why are you ignoring his question Maximum Spin? (FoS is blue, right?)FoS is blue, yep! It also helps to outline your own reasoning for your curiosity to others if you can. Forum games mean "EVERYTHING IS RECORDED" meaning everything written can be perused anytime for thought.
PFP
Post by: notquitethere on January 06, 2018, 05:04:34 am
According to the user statistics, you both have thousands of posts on the Mafia subforum, so I thought there was a pretty decent chance that both of you were familiar with each other's play style.(This was a reasonable guess. Almost every game I've played on this forum has been with Tiruin.)
That said, I'm only familiar with her play style from reading the last two FBYOR games, so I'm not particularly confident in these evaluations.I don't think you're too far off the mark.
Are you pretty confident that all of the trope effects will apply to every player? Do you think it's possible that some of them only affect specific teams (like town-only or scum-only)?I suppose it's possible that there'll be team specific tropes, sure. Also, I think someone will have the power to invert tropes.
After reading previous Fallacy games, what insights do you as to how this one might go down?
BHK
NQT - If I primed an ability who's feedback I had to relay through you on death, would you speak up?If you had flipped town when you died, then definitely. If you were scum, I'd be concerned that you were trying to relay a hidden message to a team mate.
Often in B12 mafia, the day limps to an end with no consensus and town get lynched. What are you going to do in this game to prevent that from happening?
Maximum Spin Which player here would you like to be your scum-buddy?
kingawsume If you had to daykill someone right now, who would it be?
juicebox Would you find it suspicious if someone didn't vote for a trope?
Imic What's your best guess for why the Rocks Fall Everybody Dies trope is coloured red?
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2018, 05:23:36 am
Maximum Spin Which player here would you like to be your scum-buddy?There are a few answers I could give to that, with the variable being the form of strategy I'd adopt with that player on my team. For example, Imic would be among my choices, because I play using long-term strategies, and I'm confident in his ability to strategise and to maintain a strategy without going off-script like some others might.
Post by: Imic on January 06, 2018, 06:45:34 am
I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure it probably doesn't mean anything good for anyone.
I wouldn't trust anyone who voted for Affably Evil, though. It cannot mean anything good.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 06, 2018, 07:57:42 am
I have a feeling that Rock Falls Everyone Dies is actually an unblockable kill attemp on everyone playing. Let's not vote for that please.
Post by: juicebox on January 06, 2018, 10:57:30 am
kingawsume and Maximum Spin: What, if anything, have you learned from your last game of mafia here? Are you going to make any changes for this game?
Imic and Tawa: I don't believe I've played mafia with either of you before. How would you describe your playstyles?
Tiruin:
NQTRocks Fall Everyone Dies sounds like a recipe for total party kill, so I think it would be best if we picked a trope rather than letting it go random. As such, let's Jump the Shark already.WHERE AM I IN THERE? WHY ARE YOU NOT SUSPICIOUS OF ME? D:<
Silthuri, why would I be suspicious of you?
GigaGiant, did you submit any of the tropes?
Tawa, which of the tropes do you most like the sound of?
Why are your first questions otherwise all about tropes?
If it's any consolation, I'm suspicious of you.
How do you think the tropes are going to impact gameplay? How do you plan to play around them?
Silthuri: Do you prefer playing as town or scum?
@Tiruin: I'm just going to RVS and scumhunt as usual day 1. Also, I'd be fine with revealing which tropes I submitted.
@Gigagiant: If I were town, I would use it to save someone who I had a town read on. However if I were scum, I would save it until LYLO then use it to secure a win.
@NQT: Not really. Besides the fact that they might have forgotten, that seems to me like a null tell
While Katanas do appeal to me quite a bit, I must admit I'd also like to see what happens when Hilarity Ensues
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 06, 2018, 11:50:49 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 06, 2018, 11:51:36 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 06, 2018, 12:05:06 pm
randomgenericusername, what's the biggest scum tell in your book?
juicebox, you say "now for some RVS", which, as we all know, stands for "random vote stage", and yet you didn't randomly vote anybody. Are you afraid to place some pressure?
Maximum Spin, what does a "long-term strategy" look like for a scum player, beyond just staying alive and killing the town?
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 06, 2018, 12:48:43 pm
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randomgenericusername, what's the biggest scum tell in your book?Lying and inconsistency, I guess. Examples of these are:
Fake claims
Lying about night actions
Reading people as mafia but not voting them when they are going to be lynched or reading people as town and then pushing to lynch them later.
People who change their reads constantly, seeing someone as town, then scum, then town again.
When town needs information to win the game, lying goes directly against this wincon.
Post by: Imic on January 06, 2018, 12:54:38 pm
Juicebox I haven't played mafia on the forum much, although I've done it a lot in real life, my playstile is usually to watch in the corner for signs of lying when questioned, and try to piece things together from that. I'm going to see now if that works on a forum.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2018, 12:57:35 pm
Maximum Spin, what does a "long-term strategy" look like for a scum player, beyond just staying alive and killing the town?Why, do you need some help? :P
It's situational, but I'm sure we've all seen the kind of conspiracies and misdirections I'm talking about. For example, in a BYOR like this, I might fabricate a coordinating set of fake abilities to subvert investigations and explain away "mislynching".
Post by: kingawsume on January 06, 2018, 04:00:40 pm
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kingawsume and Maximum Spin: What, if anything, have you learned from your last game of mafia here? Are you going to make any changes for this game?I learned ya'll some crazy mofos, and if you don't conform to the Bay12 meta, it's instantly suspicious. :P
Some changes include RVS-ing GigaGiant Day1, as opposed to no-lynching. (Just to throw under the bus :P )
The second is wondering what you're up to. ',:/
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kingawsume If you had to daykill someone right now, who would it be?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: juicebox on January 06, 2018, 06:08:59 pm
Imic, so am I right in thinking GigaGiant looks scummy to you for voting for Affably Evil? If the day were to end in an hour, would that be a sufficient reason to vote for him?
randomgenericusername, what's the biggest scum tell in your book?
juicebox, you say "now for some RVS", which, as we all know, stands for "random vote stage", and yet you didn't randomly vote anybody. Are you afraid to place some pressure?
Maximum Spin, what does a "long-term strategy" look like for a scum player, beyond just staying alive and killing the town?
No NQT, I'm not afraid to place pressure. What is your opinion on D1 town gambits? On gambits in general? Do you think this is the type of game where town gambits will be useful?
@kingawsume: It's not instantly suspicious. It really depends on your response to the meta. Where you are right is that we are some crazy mofos
Post by: Silthuri on January 06, 2018, 06:26:50 pm
NQT
SilthuriHow did you reach this conclusion from you asking me why you'd suspect me? Right now my strongest suspicion is on the person who voted for an evil trope, but I've no solid leads. Are you fishing for investigative roles or something?Because you don't have any reason to suspect anyone and you pulled my name out of a hat probably?Is it true that you don't have any reason to suspect anyone?
@Giga because I can't be bothered to snip the post
Polite evil is still evil and still doesn't sound good.
Imic
Why did you essentially just copy NQT's "why am I suspicious of you" question for Giga? Are you unable to think of your own questions? And then why are you joining on my reasoning based on Giga voting for a specific trope?
@juicebox
Generally I prefer scum because of the shenanigans and mind games I can play. All in all it's more fun imo.
Also why is everyone jumping all over Giga now? I know I started the vote on him but y'all basically bandwagoning now and it's suspicious af.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 06, 2018, 07:04:39 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2018, 09:02:50 pm
Yeah, 3 votes is probably little too much for supposedly random voting.I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't vote randomly, ever.
Post by: Tawa on January 06, 2018, 09:27:50 pm
I'd keep a very close eye on anyone claiming survivor, but I don't think that it's worth trying to lynch people just on suspicion of mafia-claiming-survivor. Overall, though, I don't think I've played enough Mafia to have a genuinely good handle on dealing with third parties.Hilarity Ensues.Hilarity Ensues.Trope votes are on purple!Let's talk general third party, survivors and the people that get skittish when people threaten them.Tawa - If I were third party, how would you keep me in line with the town?Depends what kind of third party we're talking. If I knew there were a serial killer on the loose, for example, I'd just keep scumhunting, but try to figure out who the SK is at the same time. The way I see it, a serial killer would be dead meat when the mafia are all that's left, but has a fighting chance when they're eliminated, so it's in an SK's benefit to go after the mafia with the town.
That's just one example, but it seems the most implied based on your question.
... Tawa: I don't believe I've played mafia with ... you before. How would you describe your playstyle?I'm honestly not sure how to describe it. I haven't played in years, I think. I'm familiar with the terminology and theory of the gameplay, but last time I played I was like fifteen and got lynched in practically every game I played because I was a hyperactive goofball back then who thought that the best way to win was to wildly argue the mafia into submission.
I like to think I'm more mature these days. My current outlook for playing is to approach the investigation calmly and cautiously, but to apply heat when necessary.
Post by: Silthuri on January 06, 2018, 09:39:08 pm
Yeah, 3 votes is probably little too much for supposedly random voting.I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't vote randomly, ever.
So your vote on Giga has nothing to do with pressure or just voting someone just because etc that comes along with voting in rvs oftentimes? Granted I believe I'm giving "random" an especially broad definition by meaning "not born of explicit reasoning." so technically my vote is "random." Also, you're making your way up my scummy list really quickly. What with this reasoning and avoiding a question and further queries involving you not answering said question.
Also, I think I'm going to jump on Hilarity Ensues for the trope because I love me some hilarity.
Post by: Tawa on January 06, 2018, 10:01:53 pm
BlackHeartKabal: Those (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659816#msg7659816) are some pretty specific questions you're asking there. Why are you asking them?
Imic: Your question to Giga here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659598#msg7659598). Are you implying you have an investigatory role?
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 06, 2018, 10:09:14 pm
Maximum Spin, I'm getting a bad reading on you. In every single post you've made, you dodge (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660462#msg7660462) the (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660728#msg7660728) questions (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660187#msg7660187) and speak in riddles (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661075#msg7661075) while contributing nothing yourself--not to mention your scumbuddy recommendation being the guy who's voting alongside you.This is actually a pretty good argument. I'll change my FoS to a vote. He has been pretty dodgy and weird in these posts and, as I pointed before, refused to answer questions.
Maximum Spin
Post by: Tiruin on January 06, 2018, 10:09:50 pm
Also why is everyone jumping all over Giga now? I know I started the vote on him but y'all basically bandwagoning now and it's suspicious af.I've checked back, and it's only Maximum Spin and kingawsume being the folks doing that. :O
You love me so much I'm picked as a second without any further detail! :P ♥Maximum Spin - If I could sync someone up to die when I do, who would you want me to bring with me?I guess if I had to pick someone I'd say GigaGiant, but Tiruin would be a good second choice too.
Hilarity Ensues, sure, wfm.
Do you randomly pick people as an answer to 'who' questions too? Because 'giving a person's name without any mentioned reasoning' also counts as random. :PYeah, 3 votes is probably little too much for supposedly random voting.I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't vote randomly, ever.
I mean, for voting, it's easy to say 'it's not random because I picked this person', so please tell why you're voting Gigla, Maximum Spin. Intent, reasoning, observation, and otherwise help. But you just voted a guy you're not even engaging with in conversation at all.
:v
Also foin. Hilarity Ensues, but since I'm a SO SRS GRUMP, I probably won't find it hilarity since knowing FoU's humor, he has better humor than me! u_u I'm counting 6~ votes for Hilarity Ensues thus far, since the votecount (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659784#msg7659784), on that note. NQT, BHK, Imic, Maximum Spin, juicybox, Silthuri, and then myself, ordered respectively.
PFP
PPE 2 people :V
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 06, 2018, 10:12:35 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2018, 10:13:43 pm
not to mention your scumbuddy recommendation being the guy who's voting alongside you.do you
genuinely
think I would be that stupid
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This is actually a pretty good argument. I'll change my FoS to a vote. He has been pretty dodgy and weird in these posts and, as I pointed before, refused to answer questions.You are correct that I only answer the questions that I like. I don't know why GigaGiant hasn't taken up my offer yet, though.
Post by: Tawa on January 06, 2018, 10:33:44 pm
do younot to mention your scumbuddy recommendation being the guy who's voting alongside you.do you
genuinely
think I would be that stupid
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palm
genuinely
think I haven't heard of misdirection schemes
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Also, I made a small mistake. Imic isn't voting Giga; they're just grilling. My point still stands.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2018, 10:36:13 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 06, 2018, 10:53:55 pm
The thing about misdirection schemes is that they have to actually misdirect, not be transparently obvious.You kinda have to talk to the other person rather than react to their accusation or assumption instead. :P So it'll lead to a lot less tension or needless sarcasm.
How goes answering those queries me and others asked? :O
What does this mean for your team?This is actually a pretty good argument. I'll change my FoS to a vote. He has been pretty dodgy and weird in these posts and, as I pointed before, refused to answer questions.[...]I only answer the questions that I like.[...]
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 06, 2018, 11:23:58 pm
What does this mean for your team?This is an excellent example of the kind of question I would ignore. What is even the relevance of it? What is it supposed to mean? It's vaguely leading without having any purpose, and the potential space of answers is infinite, yet none of those infinite answers would matter. I could spend a few minutes of my life trying to formulate a response carefully tailored to convey something useful and hope it's interpreted in the manner in which I intended it (a rare feat in human communication), but it's just not worth it.
If my team is so terrible that they cannot cope with selective answering, then they're terrible enough that we're going to lose no matter what I do, and we'll probably deserve it. I'd like to think that isn't the case.
Post by: Tawa on January 06, 2018, 11:26:13 pm
The thing about misdirection schemes is that they have to actually misdirect, not be transparently obvious.Ah, you know what, you've got me there.
But I must admit, I find it rather intriguing that you completely ignored the rest of my post. Are you admitting that you're being shifty for no good reason?
Then why didn't you?What does this mean for your team?This is an excellent example of the kind of question I would ignore.
Post by: Tiruin on January 06, 2018, 11:57:47 pm
Seems more like something on your part with direct communication. :P I've worked with a lot of backgrounds in areas where communication is vital, and while the impression is true of 'bad communication' usually leading to misunderstandings and otherwise, that's diverging from the point of communication; an answer is better than none. It also shows respect to the other person too.What does this mean for your team?This is an excellent example of the kind of question I would ignore. What is even the relevance of it? What is it supposed to mean? It's vaguely leading without having any purpose, and the potential space of answers is infinite, yet none of those infinite answers would matter. I could spend a few minutes of my life trying to formulate a response carefully tailored to convey something useful and hope it's interpreted in the manner in which I intended it (a rare feat in human communication), but it's just not worth it.
If my team is so terrible that they cannot cope with selective answering, then they're terrible enough that we're going to lose no matter what I do, and we'll probably deserve it. I'd like to think that isn't the case.
How do you scumhunt in a way to work with your team?
Post by: GigaGiant on January 07, 2018, 12:32:08 am
Maximum Spin
Are you scum? :PMaximum SpinYou sure did!
I had a question for you here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659506#msg7659506)
I don't always answer just any question, you know. :P
But here, in return, I will precommit to answer one (1) question from you, the next that you ask, truthfully.
Okay, but seriously, why didn't you want to answer that question?
Tiruin
How does Affably Evil sound like a nerf to scum (when the trope's lower sections tell it's not?)
When I originally read the article (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AffablyEvil), a few statements stuck out to me:
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They are sometimes comedic or a Well-Intentioned Extremist who really believes that they are right. More often than not, they are a form of Anti-Villain because a straight villain wouldn't easily be so genuinely good-naturedThat was my basis for thinking Affably Evil villians were "lesser" villians, and thus the trope's effect could be a nerf to the scum. There were also several tropes listed under "Compare Tropes" that seemed to support the idea of a villian with restraint or limitations (eg. Even Evil Has Standards (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvenEvilHasStandards)). It sounded like Affably Evil villians were generally low-tier villians in a story, overshadowed by the true Big Bad. By that logic, if we consider the scum in this game as the "Big Bad (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad)", then making them Affably Evil would be a downgrade.
However, after rereading the article and looking at some of the examples, I'm starting to think that my initial interpretation might be wrong. :-\ Some of the examples fit what I expected, but others definitely don't. There are villians listed under Western Animation that are seasonal Big Bads (eg. Zaheer from Legend of Korra) who are both powerful and important to the story. So, the Affably Evil trope is riskier than I thought.
Trope Unvote. When I get time, I'll look through the tropes again and pick something else.
There could be 3 scum. I was just inclined to believe that there were other people with killing abilities in addition to the scum, based on the description of how my role powers work and what situations the powers fail in. Though, I suppose that since neither of the past two games had third parties, it would be consistent if FOU didn't include any in this game either. If that's the case, then there may be situations where the scum are capable of killing 2 people in a single night, or several townies may also have killing powers.Quote2. I agree with you that there are at least 2 scum. There were 2 scum in the two previous FBYOR games, so it makes sense for it to be the same here. The only difference is that we have 11 players in this game instead of 9, so perhaps there's also a third party or two in this game. Based on the way my role powers are worded, I feel that there is at least one other person with a killing power, in addition to the scum.Instantaneously saying 'third party' over '3 scum'? o_O What's up with that?
notquitethere
After reading previous Fallacy games, what insights do you (have) as to how this one might go down?I don't have very many. Aside from both previous games having 2 mafia and 7 townies, the two games went pretty differently. Abilities in both games differed wildly as well, so anything could happen here.
I do think there will be multiple kills each night and perhaps even people with revival abilities. At least, that's what I'm speculating based on my role and how the game might be balanced around it.
I think those are all the questions I found for me on page 6. If I missed one, let me know. I'll do page 7[PPE:..and 8] questions tomorrow when I'm less tired.
PPE: 11 New replies... I'm seeing quite a few votes being thrown around, but I'll take a closer look at current events when I post tomorrow.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2018, 12:52:09 am
Are you scum? :PI will be generous and answer both truthfully:
Okay, but seriously, why didn't you want to answer that question?
1) No. I know what you're thinking, "you'd say that anyway", but, as a matter of fact, I wouldn't. If I were mafia, I would just not have offered to answer a question truthfully, in case it might give something away.
2) Because I don't believe in "RVS". I consider it foolish. As you can no doubt see, I don't generally feel the need to play along with this whole unproductive business.
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There could be 3 scum. I was just inclined to believe that there were other people with killing abilities in addition to the scum, based on the description of how my role powers work and what situations the powers fail in.Roles are usually written in a general way to avoid giving you information about that kind of thing.
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I do think there will be multiple kills each night and perhaps even people with revival abilities. At least, that's what I'm speculating based on my role and how the game might be balanced around it.I am quite confident that that is true.
Post by: Silthuri on January 07, 2018, 01:07:36 am
And the main question is: are you willing to distract town just because you aren't fond of questions? And don't say "oh town should know better" because at this point, no one knows anything and some people might want to lynch you for being a hindrance regardless of whether you're town.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2018, 01:30:43 am
I mean... I hate rvs too, but it's a given in mafia.It's actually not. We had much better earlygame at the last place I used to play.
That said, you're completely misunderstanding. GigaGiant's question was "What do you think is the best way to use your vote during the RVS stage?", which I could not answer because it doesn't make sense to me. The best way to use your vote at any time in the game is to find and lynch mafia. Because I don't believe in "RVS", I have no answer to that specific question.
Post by: Tawa on January 07, 2018, 04:58:50 pm
Then you could have answered "I don't think random voting is a good idea".I mean... I hate rvs too, but it's a given in mafia.It's actually not. We had much better earlygame at the last place I used to play.
That said, you're completely misunderstanding. GigaGiant's question was "What do you think is the best way to use your vote during the RVS stage?", which I could not answer because it doesn't make sense to me. The best way to use your vote at any time in the game is to find and lynch mafia. Because I don't believe in "RVS", I have no answer to that specific question.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 07, 2018, 05:07:26 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 07, 2018, 05:08:38 pm
Post by: Silthuri on January 07, 2018, 05:19:36 pm
And perhaps my view of mafia is skewed because most of my experiences have included some sort of rvs bit, even irl mafia. I haven't played on other forums, so where you come it might be different.
That being said, Maximum
Post by: juicebox on January 07, 2018, 07:13:39 pm
Secondly, I hoped you wouldn't do this Maximum. This is exactly the kind of thing that got us suspicious of you last game. Now I still think that you're town, based on the fact that you acted this way last game, but you're making it really hard.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2018, 07:35:36 pm
Secondly, I hoped you wouldn't do this Maximum.Funnily enough, I hoped that after seeing it once, people wouldn't find the basic concept of "not answering every single question" so foundationally disturbing and confounding.
You (general) do realise that there's no rational reason why this would correlate with being mafia at all, right? And also, possibly, that transparently and openly ignoring some questions is not the same as "dodging" them? And maybe somewhere along the line, that words like "dodgy" and "shifty" have an actual meaning that this is not any of?
Seems more like something on your part with direct communication. :P I've worked with a lot of backgrounds in areas where communication is vital, and while the impression is true of 'bad communication' usually leading to misunderstandings and otherwise, that's diverging from the point of communication; an answer is better than none. It also shows respect to the other person too.This one was especially vexing, because I find you completely incomprehensible. When I ignore your questions, it's not usually because I have no particular interest in the question per se, but because it struck me as total word salad. I like you well enough that I wanted to avoid saying as much, but, well, here we are. The thing is, 99% of the time, when something is ambiguous and incomprehensible, most people just make assumptions and carry on with their lives instead of bothering to ask of clarify, and then they just carry away their own radically different misinterpretations of the thing without ever sparing a second thought for the fact that someone else might have taken it differently. Most of the time you never even find out that it happened, because the effects are subtle and pernicious. This has probably happened to you and to everyone here many times before.
Anyway, I'd rather switch out than see my excellent role go to waste.
Post by: kingawsume on January 07, 2018, 08:15:01 pm
Anyway, I'd rather switch out than see my excellent role go to waste.sigh...
You won't even bother hearing the other side. The whole point of RVS is like the neutral stage in a fighting game; you poke, you prod, you get a reaction, you judge it. You learn your opponent, so that you may better yourself. The worst fight is one you go into blind.
With that said, via con dios. If this other site you speak of is so good, go back. You won't even adapt to the Bay12 playstyle, even after seeing it firsthand. I'm sorry that every single question that isn't vitally important to you is automatically worthless and disregarded.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2018, 08:20:36 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 07, 2018, 08:25:41 pm
I think I might be tunneling him on accident, but there is just something wrong in the way he posts and I can feel it in my gut.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2018, 08:26:56 pm
Post by: kingawsume on January 07, 2018, 08:56:20 pm
Maximum Spin.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on January 07, 2018, 09:28:14 pm
Post by: GigaGiant on January 07, 2018, 10:06:17 pm
Maximum Spin
1) That's not very convincing. Nothing is actually stopping you from lying, unless you treat that word 'truthful' as sacred. What would you do as mafia if someone asks you "Maximum Spin, please tell me, truthfully, are you scum?"Are you scum? :PI will be generous and answer both truthfully:
Okay, but seriously, why didn't you want to answer that question?
1) No. I know what you're thinking, "you'd say that anyway", but, as a matter of fact, I wouldn't. If I were mafia, I would just not have offered to answer a question truthfully, in case it might give something away.
2) Because I don't believe in "RVS". I consider it foolish. As you can no doubt see, I don't generally feel the need to play along with this whole unproductive business.
2) Why did you answer BlackHeartKabal's (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659816#msg7659816) question then? You didn't consider that to be a RVS question?
Imic
notquitethere I have several reasons to be suspicioud of him, but I don't want to say any of them. I want to see what he thinks and what he says, but I don't think I'll get up to anything until tommorrow1. Why keep those suspicions to yourself? If your suspicions are well founded, then what's the disadvantage of saying them now?
Juicebox I haven't played mafia on the forum much, although I've done it a lot in real life, my playstile is usually to watch in the corner for signs of lying when questioned, and try to piece things together from that. I'm going to see now if that works on a forum.
2. Instead of being passive and waiting for others to ask me questions, why not take the initiative? You can ask me questions directly. If I'm scum, then this would only help your case. Either I would answer your questions and potentially reveal more lies, or I would refuse to answer them, which would be suspicious in itself. What's the downside?
What's your opinion of Maximum Spin?
kingawsume
BlackHeartKabal
I'd say go for lynch. Mislynching this early is acceptable, I'd like to believe.
Maximum Spin.
I don't see much else we can do. Maximum Spin. We can hopefully nab leads by tomorrow.I have a question for both of you: Do you believe that Maximum Spin is actually scum, or just a disruptive townie that we would be better off without?
randomgenericusername
Not trying to bandwagon, I'm just putting my vote here because it's almost time to sleep for me.Why are you concerned about looking like you're bandwagoning?
Personally, I think it's a little early to conclude that we should lynch Maximum Spin. We still have time to further interrogate him to be more sure of his alignment, and look at other suspects. We still have four days left of Day 1.
....Well, we did. According to the Lurker Tracker, before I posted, Maximum Spin had 7 votes on him, which means he got hammered. So...yeah, having a vote count earlier probably would have helped us avoid that. :-\
FOU, will that hammer still take effect if his vote count goes below 6 by the time you get back?
Post by: GigaGiant on January 07, 2018, 10:09:44 pm
What's your read on each player that's voting for you?
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 07, 2018, 10:24:15 pm
randomgenericusernameBecause just a moment ago before that post I was worried of the supossedly started bandwagon over you. I saidNot trying to bandwagon, I'm just putting my vote here because it's almost time to sleep for me.Why are you concerned about looking like you're bandwagoning?
Yeah, 3 votes is probably little too much for supposedly random voting.then voted Maximum Spin who then had 3 votes. I would probably be seen as me bandwagoning and I got worried and nervous.
I didn't want to vote at that moment but I didn't knew if I would have time later. If I hadn't voted before I would still have voted later because of my suspicion, but what if when I wake up there was already a lynch?
I just didn't want to make newbie mistakes.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 07, 2018, 10:59:42 pm
1) That's not very convincing. Nothing is actually stopping you from lying, unless you treat that word 'truthful' as sacred. What would you do as mafia if someone asks you "Maximum Spin, please tell me, truthfully, are you scum?"You're misunderstanding the point here. In that case, I would either ignore the question (most likely, because it's a stupid question) or simply lie. The difference is not that the word 'truthful' is sacred, but that my promise to answer the question truthfully is. I wouldn't have given that if I was not prepared to follow through.
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2) Why did you answer BlackHeartKabal's (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659816#msg7659816) question then? You didn't consider that to be a RVS question?You're making the same misinterpretation as Silthuri. I don't mean that "I don't answer RVS questions because I don't do RVS", I mean that I didn't answer your question because it specifically asked what I would do in RVS, and I don't have an answer to that because I don't do RVS. I answered BHK's question because it didn't include any assumptions like that. And this whole point of misunderstanding about what I meant is also why I usually just ignore these questions instead of getting bogged down in dumb arguments about them that inevitably distract everyone.
Also, another question for Maximum Spin:I don't buy randomgenericusername's "I just have a gut feeling of wrongness!" line at all. That would be, like, kindergartener level of play or worse if he actually meant that. That whole post just reeks of stirring ambiguity to try to make it easier to get away with voting to lynch a town player while still getting to say "welp, guess I was wrong" afterward.
What's your read on each player that's voting for you?
I'm 95% confident that kingawsume, on the other hand, is just naturally that pompous and doesn't necessarily imply sinister intent, though I'm certainly not ruling it out.
I'm leaning anti-BHK, but not strongly, yet.
I also haven't been keeping track of who's voting for what, so I don't know who else falls into that category... so I'll just offer my thoughts on everyone, since I'm swapping out as soon as FOU is back anyway.
NQT is probably scum. At this point in the game, the wavefunctions are still mostly uncollapsed so I have very little actual confidence in this assessment, but, if pressed, he(?) would be my second vote after RGU.
I'm only the normal level of suspicious of Tiruin at the moment. If NQT is scum, however, and especially if RGU isn't, the suspicion level would go way up.
You, in contrast, I'm fairly benevolent toward. I don't currently think you're mafia. it's early yet, of course; that might have changed had things gone differently.
Tawa. Tawa's got something faintly screwy going on, but isn't really on my "probably mafia" list. Keep an eye on that guy though.
juicebox has been pretty inactive, which is often suspicious. At this point, I would probably get on board a bandwagon against him, because, *irrespective* of whether he's mafia or not, knowing whether he is would narrow down those aforementioned wavefunctions substantially. But I'm not going to throw a vote against him on my own, at the moment, when there are other people I could be investigating.
And lastly, Imic: Imic, how suspicious I am of you would depend entirely on how you respond to that message you should have received last night. If you continue to ignore it, especially now that you know I know about it, well, that would suggest to me that you already have other allegiances.
Incidentally, you know, there's a very important reason for not sharing your suspicions right away: because sharing your suspicions changes how people react, which changes how your ongoing investigation develops. Watching silently allows you to keep pruning down the possibilities without having to account for the way your own interaction will affect the entangled state.
Post by: Tiruin on January 08, 2018, 01:22:55 am
Unvote. Personal Extension, go!
Honestly, seeing Maximum Spin's response is visually passively-aggressive themed at first. (Heh, my own words are seen as a 'word salad'. Everyone else reads my words well though) :P
And looking back at the questions he has missed, one can see an outlying idea of what they can imply. The basic purpose for communication is to convey ideas to each other; it is outside of the norm to ignore them outright, because while communicating is learned, ignorance is learned in turn, alongside finding reasons to back up why you choose to ignore them. (I still laugh at 'word salad', knowing its origins and roots, and having my first impression as if Max learned it from mental studies. :P ...and my memory of having a good argument about it with my instructor in lectures on mental disorders [and its comparison to neologisms, in a quiz]; they interchanged the answer, accidentally).
Honestly, you can just say 'incoherent' and it'll mean a lot better than throwing 'word salad' at me. But none of the questions addressed to you are incoherent in the first place.
However, there is still communication--even if the first impression isn't something particularly exact, it's also getting ideas from others. I threw in my extension for the purposes of reviewing what's going on. We only have...around 5 pages in the default forum format, so it's just 75 posts to look through.
Have a list of things about Maximum Spin, and the questions asked.
Quote from: Left is questions in numbers; Right is Maximum's posts, referring to what numbers answered
The rest after the last links are easily seen in the last page.
Gig {1} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659506#msg7659506)
Tir (Everyone) {2} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659578#msg7659578)
BHK {3} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659816#msg7659816)
Kingawsume/random G{4} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660296#msg7660296)
NQT {5} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660456#msg7660456)
juicebox {6} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660630#msg7660630)
NQT {7} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660674#msg7660674)
Silthuri {8} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661103#msg7661103)
Tawarochir{9} (with random G's agreement below) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661118#msg7661118)
Tir {10} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661132#msg7661132)
Tir {11} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661166#msg7661166)
Tawa {12} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661188#msg7661188)
Tir {13} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661207#msg7661207)
Gig {14} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661236#msg7661236)1st post {3} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660121#msg7660121)
2nd, noting {1}, with emphasis(?) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660187#msg7660187)
3rd, {5} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660462#msg7660462)
4th {7} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7660728#msg7660728)
5th {9} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661138#msg7661138)
6th (response in sarcasm?) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661153#msg7661153)
7th {11, unanswered} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661186#msg7661186)
8th {14} (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661246#msg7661246)
9th (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661259#msg7661259)
10th (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661831#msg7661831)
11th (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661855#msg7661855)
12th (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661860#msg7661860)
Honestly the questions asked are in the least, innocuous, and at most, having a certain first impression that is easily pushed aside in favor of answering clearly. I see nothing wrong or indicative of any way you CAN answer the ones unanswered and have your ideas twisted against you. That's at least what worry I see in-between Maximum's words, as he is never direct with why he doesn't really answer people's questions. The unanswered ones are...pretty concise in the way the question is worded. :v
It is still fairly unclear why Max is not answering those questions, however. Many of them are merely towards 'how would you play in this scenario', where there is no right or wrong answer. Also seeing his 9th post, I'm unsure why there's a very generalized sense of answering when the answer to "How best will you use your vote in the RVS stage"...is exactly what he answered after saying 'this doesn't make sense to me'. It'd help everyone to give clarity to your reasoning, Max, as that whole process is left unsaid and unspoken.
I see some suspicion in some questions being unanswered; they can easily give way to the impression of 'this person is dodging my query' (also it may come off as rude), but I can see his response of not comprehending why the question is present in the first place with the anxiety of not having your answer be as succinct a response, to also be reasonable.
Although I am curious about many parts of his reasoning that is better off said by himself. @_@
And...err,
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NQT is probably scum. At this point in the game, the wavefunctions are still mostly uncollapsed so I have very little actual confidence in this assessment, but, if pressed, he(?) would be my second vote after RGU.Is there any reason I'm being tied with NQT and random generic username?
I'm only the normal level of suspicious of Tiruin at the moment. If NQT is scum, however, and especially if RGU isn't, the suspicion level would go way up.
Also I've abbreviated your username, randomgenericusername, to random G. :P Sorry if it's different!
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2018, 01:44:00 am
Honestly, seeing Maximum Spin's response is visually passively-aggressive themed at first.I have no idea what any of the mentioned phrases are meant to mean. I could make assumptions, but I'd rather not. Some of them are just overly elaborate and hard to parse, and others ("an outlying idea of what they can imply"? "a very generalized sense of answering"?) just seem like word salad to me. "Word salad" in this sense is a linguistic term, by the way, although I am also aware of the psychological term. Which reminds me, although I understood what "mental studies" was intended to convey *because* I knew you were talking about the psychological term, it's also an extremely odd construction in English and, without context, I don't think most people would understand it to mean psychology.
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And looking back at the questions he has missed, one can see an outlying idea of what they can imply.
[...] it is outside of the norm to ignore them outright, because while communicating is learned, ignorance is learned in turn, alongside finding reasons to back up why you choose to ignore them.
[...]it'll mean a lot better than[...]
However, there is still communication--even if the first impression isn't something particularly exact, it's also getting ideas from others.
[...]2nd, noting {1}, with emphasis(?)
[...]6th (response in sarcasm?)
[...]having a certain first impression that is easily pushed aside in favor of answering clearly.
[...]I see nothing wrong or indicative of any way you CAN answer the ones unanswered
[...]I'm unsure why there's a very generalized sense of answering
[...]but I can see his response of not comprehending why the question is present in the first place with the anxiety of not having your answer be as succinct a response, to also be reasonable.
Post by: juicebox on January 08, 2018, 01:48:36 am
Secondly, I hoped you wouldn't do this Maximum.Funnily enough, I hoped that after seeing it once, people wouldn't find the basic concept of "not answering every single question" so foundationally disturbing and confounding.
You (general) do realise that there's no rational reason why this would correlate with being mafia at all, right? And also, possibly, that transparently and openly ignoring some questions is not the same as "dodging" them? And maybe somewhere along the line, that words like "dodgy" and "shifty" have an actual meaning that this is not any of?
Wait.. So you expected an entire meta to shift to accommodate your strategy after one (unsuccessful) game? That seems a bit much to hope for if you asked me. Secondly, in most places, when you don't answer questions, people take this to imply that you're hiding something, which makes you seem suspicious to them. That's all that's going on here.
juicebox has been pretty inactive, which is often suspicious. At this point, I would probably get on board a bandwagon against him, because, *irrespective* of whether he's mafia or not, knowing whether he is would narrow down those aforementioned wavefunctions substantially. But I'm not going to throw a vote against him on my own, at the moment, when there are other people I could be investigating.
What's your read on each player that's voting for you?
What are these wavefunctions that you're talking about here? Also, I've haven't really been that inactive, especially if you consider that this game pretty much started on the weekend.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2018, 01:53:34 am
What are these wavefunctions that you're talking about here?Quantum superpositions. Possibility states. Basically, a metaphor for an evolving set of beliefs or suspicions.
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Also, I've haven't really been that inactive, especially if you consider that this game pretty much started on the weekend.Yeaaaah, you have.
Post by: Tiruin on January 08, 2018, 02:03:45 am
Everything in Maximum's posts looks wrong to me. Like, very wrong. I don't know if it's a gut feeling or something, but I think he might either be scum or a really unhelpful townie. Since it's just day 1 and no one died night 1, can we risk misslynching? If we are going to lynch today, Maximum Spin seems like the safest choice of lynch. At least we will get more answers from his flip.Were you aware when you wrote this, that no lethal actions were taken N0? :P
I think I might be tunneling him on accident, but there is just something wrong in the way he posts and I can feel it in my gut.
Why is Maximum Spin the 'safest' choice of lynch here? What are you comparing him to?
First of all, votecount please.Since FoU is sick...
Have a player-made one, assuming everything is as-is and there are no double-votes or other vote manipulating actions done.
...Also I think the folks voting Maximum either forgot we're playing ON THE HAMMER SYSTEM, or just threw out brevity with voting the guy. >_>
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A special hammer system is in effect:And the majority is usually 1/2 of total players +1. Unless FoU is using a different system.
The game will consist of 72 hour days and 48 hour nights(the time will not pass during weekends). During the day, the day may end because of a hammer(getting the majority of the game's available votes on a player will lynch that player, ending the day), or because of the deadline.[...]
Source post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659784#msg7659784)
Actually, FoU never gave the day end time. :V Anyway I used my extension.
I've also counted Orange colored votes as trope votes. :P
And uh...while I was votecounting, the snapshot on approaching '6 votes' voting on the person (meaning my ASSUMED hammer count), was hit when kingawsume (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661877#msg7661877) voted :x
Spoiler: This is how it looked at the time that linked post happened (click to show/hide)
The UPDATED votecount, assuming until now that the posts are as is, is as follows.
Spoiler: This is how it looked at the time that linked post happened (click to show/hide)
PPE x2.
Post by: juicebox on January 08, 2018, 02:25:52 am
What are these wavefunctions that you're talking about here?Quantum superpositions. Possibility states. Basically, a metaphor for an evolving set of beliefs or suspicions.
So in that case this:
irrespective of whether he's mafia or not, knowing whether he is would narrow down those aforementioned wavefunctions substantially.could apply to literally anybody here then, since knowing anyone's alignment would significantly narrow down the wavefunctions.
sidenote: I'm
Post by: juicebox on January 08, 2018, 02:27:36 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2018, 02:38:59 am
could apply to literally anybody here then, since knowing anyone's alignment would significantly narrow down the wavefunctions.I mean, it depends on how you define "significantly", but, in my opinion, the wavefunctions I was working on would be pruned much more effectively by some lynchings than others, and, because of your relative inactivity, you're one of them. I realise that's not what you want, heh. But finding out that you are mafia would tell me a lot more about the other mafia members than finding out that, say, Imic or Tawa was.
Post by: Imic on January 08, 2018, 04:44:52 am
ImicI am suspicious of Notquitethere, because during the night stage, I recieved a message saying that a cultist was whispering innmy ear, asking me to join. I do not intend to join any such institution, and I have not replied, but notquitethere was the first person to acknowledge me, by asking what I wanted to do differently this time around. I'm suspicous if him because of the way he said that. I can also successfully say that you are not the cult finder, since you voted to lynch me, when you could have reccruited me properly tonight if I survived.notquitethere I have several reasons to be suspicioud of him, but I don't want to say any of them. I want to see what he thinks and what he says, but I don't think I'll get up to anything until tommorrow1. Why keep those suspicions to yourself? If your suspicions are well founded, then what's the disadvantage of saying them now?
Juicebox I haven't played mafia on the forum much, although I've done it a lot in real life, my playstile is usually to watch in the corner for signs of lying when questioned, and try to piece things together from that. I'm going to see now if that works on a forum.
2. Instead of being passive and waiting for others to ask me questions, why not take the initiative? You can ask me questions directly. If I'm scum, then this would only help your case. Either I would answer your questions and potentially reveal more lies, or I would refuse to answer them, which would be suspicious in itself. What's the downside?
What's your opinion of Maximum Spin?
Now I have RL stuff to do.
Post by: Tiruin on January 08, 2018, 06:45:11 am
Err, I've color coded some statements that are contradictory ._.ImicI am suspicious of Notquitethere, because during the night stage, I recieved a message saying that a cultist was whispering innmy ear, asking me to join. I do not intend to join any such institution, and I have not replied, but notquitethere was the first person to acknowledge me, by asking what I wanted to do differently this time around. I'm suspicous if him because of the way he said that. I can also successfully say that you are not the cult finder, since you voted to lynch me, [glow=blue,2300]when you could have reccruited me properly tonight if I survived.[/glow]notquitethere I have several reasons to be suspicioud of him, but I don't want to say any of them. I want to see what he thinks and what he says, but I don't think I'll get up to anything until tommorrow1. Why keep those suspicions to yourself? If your suspicions are well founded, then what's the disadvantage of saying them now?
Juicebox I haven't played mafia on the forum much, although I've done it a lot in real life, my playstile is usually to watch in the corner for signs of lying when questioned, and try to piece things together from that. I'm going to see now if that works on a forum.
2. Instead of being passive and waiting for others to ask me questions, why not take the initiative? You can ask me questions directly. If I'm scum, then this would only help your case. Either I would answer your questions and potentially reveal more lies, or I would refuse to answer them, which would be suspicious in itself. What's the downside?
What's your opinion of Maximum Spin?
Now I have RL stuff to do.
Also knowing FoU, he'll mod-extend this due to sickness and unavailability of votecount.
kingawsume and BlackHeartKabal: At the time of either of you voting, were you aware of the hammer system? Your posts both give that impression hopping on the idea of a mislynch.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 08, 2018, 08:22:57 am
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Were you aware when you wrote this, that no lethal actions were taken N0? :PI was aware and is also one of the only reasons I would be okay with risking a misslynch. If someone had died we would have been thinking this more carefully.
Why is Maximum Spin the 'safest' choice of lynch here? What are you comparing him to?
A lot of people was suspicious about him for the "not answering questins because they are stupid" and right now we don't have any stronger leads since it's just day 1. It's still better to misslynch than abstaining and no lynching because we can gain information from that flip and from who voted or didn't vote. A no lynch is pretty much a wasted day.
Post by: Imic on January 08, 2018, 10:06:46 am
Crap.
I said that assuming that he would think I would join him the next night, but I think that saying that was a terrible idea.
To whomever is in charge of some evil cult: You saw nothing.
Post by: notquitethere on January 08, 2018, 10:57:10 am
I am suspicious of Notquitethere, because during the night stage, I recieved a message saying that a cultist was whispering innmy ear, asking me to join. I do not intend to join any such institution, and I have not replied, but notquitethere was the first person to acknowledge me, by asking what I wanted to do differently this time around. I'm suspicous if him because of the way he said that. I can also successfully say that you are not the cult finder, since you voted to lynch me, when you could have reccruited me properly tonight if I survived.If you're telling the truth, then yeah I can see why that would have been a reason for suspicion. But:
Now I have RL stuff to do.
A. If that was why you were suspicious, why weren't you voting me?
B: When did you plan on telling us there could be a cult in the game?! That's big, game-changing news!
Maximum Spin
NQT is probably scum. At this point in the game, the wavefunctions are still mostly uncollapsed so I have very little actual confidence in this assessment, but, if pressed, he(?) would be my second vote after RGU.What's your rationale here? Just your gut or do you actually have a case?
It's actually not. We had much better earlygame at the last place I used to play.I don't doubt this, but I'm curious what the better way is. While players have no info D1, it's mostly smoke and mirrors. This game is a bit different though as some of us have some investigation info from last night.
It's situational, but I'm sure we've all seen the kind of conspiracies and misdirections I'm talking about. For example, in a BYOR like this, I might fabricate a coordinating set of fake abilities to subvert investigations and explain away "mislynching".Do you think it looks like anyone's doing that? I think we're seeing more vote co-ordination/band-wagoning than normal for B12, but if we don't get enough people about a lynch then scum won't get lynched.
Kinga
There's nobody outwardly suspicious (yet) that catches my attention.So you're bandwagoning Maximum Spin enough to lynch him, but there's no one suspicious yet?? Something doesn't add up here.
Juicebox
No NQT, I'm not afraid to place pressure. What is your opinion on D1 town gambits? On gambits in general? Do you think this is the type of game where town gambits will be useful?I bloody love gambits, not going to lie. The purpose of the game is to have fun and they make the game more fun. They aren't, however, a safe play and often are unwise. I think that if they're cleverly applied, then town gambits are fine on any day.
Silthuri
You said that I must not have any reason to suspect anyone, so that made me think that logically you would also consider yourself to have no reason to suspect anyone. Anyway the game has moved on and people now have suspicions, myself included so I'm fine to drop the point.How did you reach this conclusion from you asking me why you'd suspect me? Right now my strongest suspicion is on the person who voted for an evil trope, but I've no solid leads. Are you fishing for investigative roles or something?Because you don't have any reason to suspect anyone and you pulled my name out of a hat probably?Is it true that you don't have any reason to suspect anyone?
Tiruin
Also foin. Hilarity Ensues, but since I'm a SO SRS GRUMPAww Tiwuin don't be gwump
Tawa
do youYour argument here is weak sauce, it's all WIFOM.
genuinely
think I haven't heard of misdirection schemes
Post by: Tiruin on January 08, 2018, 11:20:02 am
ImicTo forward a note I have that I noticed wasn't mentioned until the new replies bop'd this back into my newbox (thanks post but NOT preview :V), I noticed the cult mention too, but the contradictoryness (noted also in the below paragraph) nudged the importance from my mind.I am suspicious of Notquitethere, because during the night stage, I recieved a message saying that a cultist was whispering innmy ear, asking me to join. I do not intend to join any such institution, and I have not replied, but notquitethere was the first person to acknowledge me, by asking what I wanted to do differently this time around. I'm suspicous if him because of the way he said that. I can also successfully say that you are not the cult finder, since you voted to lynch me, when you could have reccruited me properly tonight if I survived.If you're telling the truth, then yeah I can see why that would have been a reason for suspicion. But:
Now I have RL stuff to do.
A. If that was why you were suspicious, why weren't you voting me?
B: When did you plan on telling us there could be a cult in the game?! That's big, game-changing news!
How did you even know that it was, specifically, a CULTIST, whispering something in your ear, asking you to join? (I recall instances of masons or non-cult being able to do that calling too, in...really unorthodox games [GlyphGryph's Emperor game where I was a third-party 'worm' that could die and hop onto another person and make them third-party {and then I pick the only person immune to it and lose :v but that's a total aside} comes to mind]
@Tiruin...No I get it, it however may read off really badly for other people. I am biased by experience, but I question (and back up NQT's note) of the idea--assuming that you assumed it was a cultist BY assumption--of your reasoning.
Crap.
I said that assuming that he would think I would join him the next night, but I think that saying that was a terrible idea.
To whomever is in charge of some evil cult: You saw nothing.
When you got that PM, what did you think?
And based on your first impressions, what did you think about posting about it? Did you have any other impressions in mind?
Post by: Imic on January 08, 2018, 11:42:32 am
@NotQuiteThere I'm waiting until a bit later to see what everyone is up to before I vote for someone, but now that you mention it, I might as well.
Notquitethere
Post by: Tawa on January 08, 2018, 11:58:47 am
Your argument here is weak sauce, it's all WIFOM.Which is why I admitted, four posts later, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661188#msg7661188) that it was bad. I mean, come on, don't jump down my throat before reading everything I've said.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2018, 12:08:30 pm
Ehhh, "case" is a subjective statement. If you're asking, could I lay out my reasoning in full and expect others to follow it, then no; that's just not how my brain works. (In MBTI terms, I'm an N.) But I wouldn't call it a gut feeling either. I have a detailed mental image of how an NQT Who Is Scum acts and how an NQT Who Is Town does, and, while it's hard to say anything this early because there's obviously a lot of overlap, you're matching the first pattern more closely than the second. Explaining how the model works would compromise its usefulness, even if it was possible. From my perspective, it feels like... one of those "Netflix recommendations" neural-net AIs sitting inside my brain (which makes sense since a brain is, in fact, a neural network), categorising stuff based on observations without being able to explain what a "buddy comedy" or "foreign-language indie film" actually are.NQT is probably scum. At this point in the game, the wavefunctions are still mostly uncollapsed so I have very little actual confidence in this assessment, but, if pressed, he(?) would be my second vote after RGU.What's your rationale here? Just your gut or do you actually have a case?
I realise this all sounds rather smug and not terrifically helpful, which is why I try not to go into it.
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I don't doubt this, but I'm curious what the better way is. While players have no info D1, it's mostly smoke and mirrors. This game is a bit different though as some of us have some investigation info from last night.Instead of asking silly questions that don't actually separate town from mafia and applying "pressure" in the form of random votes in the vain hope that someone will actually be dumb enough to take it personally and slip up, there was a lot more focus on watching and waiting, and on interacting to gauge the reactions of *other people watching you interact* instead of the people you're interacting with, whose responses should already be totally predicted. Of course, there were always some people milling about randomly (although still in what I would consider to be more usefully directed ways), which was necessary to generate that activity to wait and watch in the first place, but I'm talking about what I saw the best players doing. Unfortunately, pace kinga's "if you liked that so much just go back", I'm still there, but we don't play mafia anymore because most of the players literally died. :/
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Do you think it looks like anyone's doing that?Nope, more's the pity.
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I think we're seeing more vote co-ordination/band-wagoning than normal for B12, but if we don't get enough people about a lynch then scum won't get lynched.Doesn't look much like they will if you do, either.
Post by: Tiruin on January 08, 2018, 12:11:57 pm
My first thougths were more or less "Nope".Could...I ask details please, Imic? You're all over the place, and it is either unlike you for that kind of behavior, or you are stressed by something totally unrelated to Mafia.
@NotQuiteThere I'm waiting until a bit later to see what everyone is up to before I vote for someone, but now that you mention it, I might as well.
Notquitethere
Details too, regarding the questions I asked towards you. And after that, what is your real case on NQT? It looks built on the foundational assumption of..."He talked to me first about something tangentially related to this assumption".
PPE: Max, do you respond more to NQT over others for a reason? Because that's what I've noted in your posts while summarizing them. I still have the whole 'how am I associated with NQT and Imic' unanswered. If you're going to remark about others' methods--where is yours?
Also what is anyone's understanding of 'Majority vote' mean in terms of quantity? I counted 7 who voted Maximum Spin and thought that was when the hammer technically fell.
Post by: Imic on January 08, 2018, 12:19:36 pm
Notquitethere unvote
This is what showed up. Obviously, I am not directly quoting due to Mafia rules.
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Whispers from nowhere, whispers asking you a question. Whispers giving you an offer. Will you join their cult?
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 08, 2018, 12:24:23 pm
So now we have a cult? I'll admit that I really like thirds because they always get the best roles and abilities.But since I'm a townie this is pretty bad news for us. Anyone could be recruited into the cult.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2018, 12:33:14 pm
PPE: Max, do you respond more to NQT over others for a reason?Yes: NQT's questions have so far been quality questions, although not always entirely well-phrased. (That 'or' in 'Just your gut or do you actually have a case?', as if those are mutually exclusive or mutually exhaustive at all, rather rankled, for example!)
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I still have the whole 'how am I associated with NQT and Imic' unanswered.Eh, fine.
Where do you even get this silly idea that you are associated with anyone? Correlation doesn't imply causation. Depending on other details, certain parts of your pattern become more salient. For example, a major factor in your own pattern is the inner tension you have regarding (in)activity, and how much you might over- or under-compensate as mafia depending on the actions of your teammates. Things like this then interact with suspicions about other people, so the reason NQT and RGU came up is simply because I had already mentioned them, not because you are somehow associated with them in particular.
Anyway, due to reasons, I can confirm that Imic was explicitly told that there was a cult.
Post by: Tiruin on January 08, 2018, 12:42:38 pm
How did you see all the other questions?PPE: Max, do you respond more to NQT over others for a reason?Yes: NQT's questions have so far been quality questions, although not always entirely well-phrased. (That 'or' in 'Just your gut or do you actually have a case?', as if those are mutually exclusive or mutually exhaustive at all, rather rankled, for example!)
Because 'quality' is a very...idiosyncratic term. I looked at NQT's questions, and discarded the username--those questions are the same as the ones you did not answer. The wording may be different, but the grammar and semantics is not so different that the underlying meaning is on an equal level.
PPE: Max, do you respond more to NQT over others for a reason?Yes: NQT's questions have so far been quality questions, although not always entirely well-phrased. (That 'or' in 'Just your gut or do you actually have a case?', as if those are mutually exclusive or mutually exhaustive at all, rather rankled, for example!)QuoteI still have the whole 'how am I associated with NQT and Imic' unanswered.Eh, fine.
Where do you even get this silly idea that you are associated with anyone? Correlation doesn't imply causation. Depending on other details, certain parts of your pattern become more salient. For example, a major factor in your own pattern is the inner tension you have regarding (in)activity, and how much you might over- or under-compensate as mafia depending on the actions of your teammates. Things like this then interact with suspicions about other people, so the reason NQT and RGU came up is simply because I had already mentioned them, not because you are somehow associated with them in particular.
Anyway, due to reasons, I can confirm that Imic was explicitly told that there was a cult.
Well Mr. passive aggressive, perhaps it would help you to look at what I say rather than demean me and skim by thought alone.
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Anyway, due to reasons, I can confirm that Imic was explicitly told that there was a cult.Why didn't YOU say anything about it?
Post by: Imic on January 08, 2018, 12:44:11 pm
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Anyway, due to reasons, I can confirm that Imic was explicitly told that there was a cult.Maximum spin, please explain this statement. How can you confirm this? Do you have a detective role?
Post by: Tiruin on January 08, 2018, 12:45:29 pm
To add to the paragraph below the spoiler:
Please check your own wording too. It sounds a lot better when thought about, but may look different when typed out. I don't know this "normal level" of suspicious. I don't know how it is connected with NQT and RGU, and it going "way" up. So it bears to reason that perhaps, I may be associated to them in what I presume you intended.
The unspoken reasoning you had when you typed that is only known now when I had to ask, and ask again to your sounding annoyance.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2018, 12:50:16 pm
Well Mr. passive aggressive, perhaps it would help you to look at what I say rather than demean me and skim by thought alone.You may note that I explicitly referred to that post in that paragraph, proving that I do indeed recall what I said.
[You don't seemingly recall what you've said]
I am telling you that what I said does not imply that you are 'associated'.
I can also earnestly say that I have never been known to experience passive aggression.
Maximum spin, please explain this statement. How can you confirm this? Do you have a detective role?Hm, I wouldn't call my role conventionally "detective", but it does involve getting answers to things, so in a way, yes. I knew you received a message from cultists because I was told this.
Post by: kingawsume on January 08, 2018, 12:57:44 pm
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So you're bandwagoning Maximum Spin enough to lynch him, but there's no one suspicious yet?Yes. See below.
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I have a question for both of you: Do you believe that Maximum Spin is actually scum, or just a disruptive townie that we would be better off without?Option 2. As much I'd like to justify it by saying scum, odds are against that.
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At the time of either of you voting, were you aware of the hammer system?Yes. If I remember correctly, he would've been hammered by my vote or BHK's.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 08, 2018, 12:58:14 pm
Post by: Imic on January 08, 2018, 12:58:37 pm
Interesting.Well Mr. passive aggressive, perhaps it would help you to look at what I say rather than demean me and skim by thought alone.You may note that I explicitly referred to that post in that paragraph, proving that I do indeed recall what I said.
[You don't seemingly recall what you've said]
I am telling you that what I said does not imply that you are 'associated'.
I can also earnestly say that I have never been known to experience passive aggression.Maximum spin, please explain this statement. How can you confirm this? Do you have a detective role?Hm, I wouldn't call my role conventionally "detective", but it does involve getting answers to things, so in a way, yes. I knew you received a message from cultists because I was told this.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 08, 2018, 01:06:53 pm
Maximum Spin: Are you a Lie Detector style role, where you can determine if a statement is true or false?That reasonably resembles one of the abilities, yes.
Post by: GigaGiant on January 09, 2018, 12:12:21 am
Hm, I wouldn't call my role conventionally "detective", but it does involve getting answers to things, so in a way, yes. I knew you received a message from cultists because I was told this.
Is your role themed around "truth" in some way? Did you submit 2 articles and receive some sort of penalty to your role?Maximum Spin: Are you a Lie Detector style role, where you can determine if a statement is true or false?That reasonably resembles one of the abilities, yes.
Imic
I am suspicious of Notquitethere, because during the night stage, I recieved a message saying that a cultist was whispering innmy ear, asking me to join. I do not intend to join any such institution, and I have not replied, but notquitethere was the first person to acknowledge me, by asking what I wanted to do differently this time around. I'm suspicous if him because of the way he said that. I can also successfully say that you are not the cult finder, since you voted to lynch me, when you could have reccruited me properly tonight if I survived.That wasn't notquitethere. That was me.
Now I have RL stuff to do.
Imic - Hiya! What do you believe was your biggest mistake in the last mafia game you played and how do you intend to avoid that mistake again?
I think you must have misunderstood when I quoted you here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661907#msg7661907). In that quote, you originally were responding to NQT's inquiries regarding your suspicions about me, not accusing him of those suspicions.
Are you actually suspicious of NQT instead of me? Or was this a mistake you made because of the reasons you listed here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7662194#msg7662194)?
Also, you never answered my question. What do you think of Maximum Spin?
kingawesume
1. Why did you think it was unlikely that Maximum Spin was scum?QuoteSo you're bandwagoning Maximum Spin enough to lynch him, but there's no one suspicious yet?Yes. See below.QuoteI have a question for both of you: Do you believe that Maximum Spin is actually scum, or just a disruptive townie that we would be better off without?Option 2. As much I'd like to justify it by saying scum, odds are against that.QuoteAt the time of either of you voting, were you aware of the hammer system?Yes. If I remember correctly, he would've been hammered by my vote or BHK's.
2. Why did you knowingly hammer someone you thought was likely to be a townie? If you had held back, we would have had more time to scum hunt during Day 1. We could always have lynched him at Day's end if we didn't uncover anyone else more scummy.
Post by: GigaGiant on January 09, 2018, 12:35:07 am
Also what is anyone's understanding of 'Majority vote' mean in terms of quantity? I counted 7 who voted Maximum Spin and thought that was when the hammer technically fell.Since there are 11 players here, I assumed that would be 6 in this case. According to this website (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority), one of the definitions of majority is:
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c. a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total6 is more than 50% of 11, so it would be the majority count.
juicebox
You said here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661814#msg7661814) that you thought that Maximum Spin was town. Do you still believe that? Do you think anyone else is suspicious?
Post by: GigaGiant on January 09, 2018, 01:20:16 am
I'm inclined to believe that Imic is telling the truth regarding the cult. That bit of flavor he quoted looked genuine. Based on what he described, it sounds like the cult leader has to ask people to join instead of forcefully converting them. That sounds like it could be a penalty from submitting two articles. Or it's just necessary to keep the cult balanced. I'm not sure yet.
Also knowing FoU, he'll mod-extend this due to sickness and unavailability of votecount.I hope so. I'd prefer that the Day not end early. I'll have much more free time for analysis and scum hunting during Wednesday and Thursday.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2018, 01:25:54 am
Is your role themed around "truth" in some way? Did you submit 2 articles and receive some sort of penalty to your role?uhhh, kinda? It's also themed around not telling people what my role is, though.
I'm being 100% serious about that.
I did not submit 2 articles! I barely know enough about tvtropes to submit one.
Post by: GigaGiant on January 09, 2018, 01:32:05 am
Huh, okay. I asked because I thought that what you posted earlier here...Is your role themed around "truth" in some way? Did you submit 2 articles and receive some sort of penalty to your role?uhhh, kinda? It's also themed around not telling people what my role is, though.
I'm being 100% serious about that.
I did not submit 2 articles! I barely know enough about tvtropes to submit one.
...might have been part of some sort of posting restriction. Are you required to make this offer and then provide a true answer?Maximum SpinYou sure did!
I had a question for you here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659506#msg7659506)
I don't always answer just any question, you know. :P
But here, in return, I will precommit to answer one (1) question from you, the next that you ask, truthfully.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2018, 01:36:42 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 09, 2018, 01:58:35 am
Quote from: FoU profile
Local Time:Man :-\ this ain't good. We're rolling under sickness of a mod right now.
January 09, 2018, 01:47:20 am
Last Active:
January 06, 2018, 11:51:36 am
Best to make the time count!
Not because of my role, no. That's 100% personal philosophy right there.I wish I was also given this respect. u_u But I am grateful for the answers to my questions o_o even if in one of them it sounded a lot like snarkasm.
Miscellaneous ThoughtsImic got backed up by Max here. :P Given their behaviors and otherwise (my notes and their interactions), I'd believe them. Alongside the unspoken idea of 'do I claim there's a cult now or later', I'm wondering if it was explicitly said it was a cult-alignment who did that. (I mean given the BYOR, it could be a cult-themed one, like Mephansteras' "Devil" in Paranormal, which has the theme of 'asking' for great power)
I'm inclined to believe that Imic is telling the truth regarding the cult. That bit of flavor he quoted looked genuine. Based on what he described, it sounds like the cult leader has to ask people to join instead of forcefully converting them. That sounds like it could be a penalty from submitting two articles. Or it's just necessary to keep the cult balanced. I'm not sure yet.Also knowing FoU, he'll mod-extend this due to sickness and unavailability of votecount.I hope so. I'd prefer that the Day not end early. I'll have much more free time for analysis and scum hunting during Wednesday and Thursday.
Ever thought about asking people--as in 'everyone'--a direct 'are you scum', and then picking the person you'd like to lie detect from there?Maximum Spin: Are you a Lie Detector style role, where you can determine if a statement is true or false?That reasonably resembles one of the abilities, yes.
Err, if you think someone is town, even as unhelpful as they are at the moment, anyone has unsaid abilities and other actions that they can do to help their wincon. Unhelpful town being dead, is best off done later...like, not on D1 ._.QuoteSo you're bandwagoning Maximum Spin enough to lynch him, but there's no one suspicious yet?Yes. See below.QuoteI have a question for both of you: Do you believe that Maximum Spin is actually scum, or just a disruptive townie that we would be better off without?Option 2. As much I'd like to justify it by saying scum, odds are against that.QuoteAt the time of either of you voting, were you aware of the hammer system?Yes. If I remember correctly, he would've been hammered by my vote or BHK's.
Do you have reads on other people that approach a similar degree of scuminess, kingawsume?
Or is there something about Maximum Spin that pushed him to be a priority to hammer-lynch for the near-future?
BHK, juicebox, Silthuri: I haven't heard from you much, lately. What are your ideas towards other people? This would be expected either today or tomorrow (because the mod may be out of commission due to sickness despite hammerfall, and usually the rule for hammers is 'do not speak when after the hammer has fallen'...which goes for everyone who missed it until the topic was brought up :P )
Post by: Silthuri on January 09, 2018, 02:16:20 am
Are you saying today or tomorrow in terms of real time or mafia time Tiru?
Post by: Tiruin on January 09, 2018, 02:44:46 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2018, 02:49:37 am
Ever thought about asking people--as in 'everyone'--a direct 'are you scum', and then picking the person you'd like to lie detect from there?Doesn't work like that.
You also said you wanted a free question, so go ahead.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 09, 2018, 10:43:59 am
I'm mostly over my sickness(stuff still tastes funky), I can get back to moderating and...
Now I have a lot of stuff to do. A lot.
Suffice it to say the day won't be over for a bit. Hammer may possibly have occurred, but I'm keeping the below deadline for the moment.
Day 1 has begun, and will end 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time on next Thursday(48 hours later than normal due to it being Day 1). The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
Tiruin can keep her personal extension if she likes.
~~~
Edit:
Alright.
Votecount:
(5) *Maximum Spin: BlackHeartKabal, Tawa, randomgenericusername, kingawsume, Silthuri
(2) *notquitethere: juicebox, Imic
(2) *kingawsume: notquitethere, GigaGiant
(0) *Tiruin:
(0) *Silthuri:
(0) *BlackHeartKabal:
(1) *randomgenericusername: Maximum Spin
(0) *GigaGiant:
(0) *Tawa:
(0) *juicebox:
(0) *Imic:
Not voting: BlackHeartKabal
(* denotes that the player has not yet used their personal 24 hour extension)
Tropecount:
((bolded orange is an acceptable alternative to purple for trope voting.))
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(1) Boring But Practical: Tawa
(1) Katanas Are Just Better: randomgenericusername
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck:
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks:
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Clock King:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(8) Hilarity Ensues: notquitethere, BlackHeartKabal, Imic, Maximum Spin, kingawsume, juicebox, Silthuri, Tiruin
(0) Jumping The Shark:
Not voting: GigaGiant
Trope in Effect: The Coconut Effect(scroll up)
((I've decided that since the hammer occurred while I was sick and not available to process it, and the current vote is not a hammer, Spin won't be immediately lynched.))
((If you detect any flaws in the counts, please let me know))
Post by: GigaGiant on January 09, 2018, 11:11:07 am
Well, this is a headache.Thanks for the heads up. Glad to see you're feeling better for the most part.
I'm mostly over my sickness(stuff still tastes funky), I can get back to moderating and...
Now I have a lot of stuff to do. A lot.
Suffice it to say the day won't be over for a bit. Hammer may possibly have occurred, but I'm keeping the below deadline for the moment.Day 1 has begun, and will end 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time on next Thursday(48 hours later than normal due to it being Day 1). The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
Tiruin can keep her personal extension if she likes.
Maximum Spin
What's your basis for being confident in Imic's abilities? Also, was there a reason that you italicized "maintain", or was that just for emphasis?Maximum Spin Which player here would you like to be your scum-buddy?There are a few answers I could give to that, with the variable being the form of strategy I'd adopt with that player on my team. For example, Imic would be among my choices, because I play using long-term strategies, and I'm confident in his ability to strategise and to maintain a strategy without going off-script like some others might.
What was the reason you originally voted for me?Maximum Spin - If I could sync someone up to die when I do, who would you want me to bring with me?I guess if I had to pick someone I'd say GigaGiant, but Tiruin would be a good second choice too.
Hilarity Ensues, sure, wfm.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 09, 2018, 11:29:45 am
What's your basis for being confident in Imic's abilities? Also, was there a reason that you italicized "maintain", or was that just for emphasis?A) Just the general impression I have of Imic, as a person, from various things. B) Emphasis, specifically relating to the fact that maintaining a strategy is a harder, rarer, and more important skill than just coming up with one in the first place.
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What was the reason you originally voted for me?Because the several posts before it suggested that you were the most effective vote to place to get a read on everyone, both because of the conversations you were embroiled in at that point and because I wanted to see what people would do after I tit-for-tatted your vote for me.
Post by: GigaGiant on January 09, 2018, 11:37:49 am
Quote from: Tv Tropes
Actions that are dangerous or illegal often lead to injury, arrest, job dismissal, expulsion from school, deportation, or other dire consequences. Thankfully for our fictional friends, both the Rule of Cool and the Rule of Funny keep them safe (the latter more prominently)....this trope's effect might change deadly actions to be less harmful, in some comedic fashion.
On a related note, I noticed that the Time Master (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeMaster) article and the Clock King (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ClockKing) article include references to each other. Maybe both of these tropes were submitted by the same person.
Post by: kingawsume on January 09, 2018, 12:28:26 pm
Quote from: GigaGiant
1. Why did you think it was unlikely that Maximum Spin was scum?Law of Probability; (ftp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_total_probability) we are, by simple majority, more likely to hit a townie D1 then anything else.
Quote from: GigaGiant
2. Why did you knowingly hammer someone you thought was likely to be a townie? If you had held back, we would have had more time to scum hunt during Day 1. We could always have lynched him at Day's end if we didn't uncover anyone else more scummy.Oh yeah... I guess you're right; call it only being slightly seasoned.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 09, 2018, 12:32:57 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 09, 2018, 12:34:34 pm
((I've decided that since the hammer occurred while I was sick and not available to process it, and the current vote is not a hammer, Spin won't be immediately lynched.))
So, for everybody: feel free to post until day end or hammer.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 09, 2018, 12:37:51 pm
Post by: notquitethere on January 09, 2018, 12:58:29 pm
We almost had a hammer (we did but Fallacy basically retconned it). If Maximum is scum or this apparent cultist, that's great. If he is (as Kinga thinks) just a troublesome townie then we categorically shouldn't lynch him. Let's try and get the best case today and make sure all the attention isn't taken up by one player. Often mafia teams win by kicking back and not saying much, letting the town eat itself. We need to make sure every shadowy player is brought into the light.
Tawa
OK fair enough. You're now voting him for generally being shifty?Your argument here is weak sauce, it's all WIFOM.Which is why I admitted, four posts later, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661188#msg7661188) that it was bad. I mean, come on, don't jump down my throat before reading everything I've said.
Imic
Notquitethere unvoteRemember to put in red your unvotes.
Kingawsume
So let me get this straight, you tried to hammer a player who you actually think is town? You weren't even trying to hunt scum?! I mean, usually it might be in doubt but here we have a clear cut case of a player actively seeking a mislynch.QuoteI have a question for both of you: Do you believe that Maximum Spin is actually scum, or just a disruptive townie that we would be better off without?Option 2. As much I'd like to justify it by saying scum, odds are against that.
GigaGiant
Miscellaneous ThoughtsThese are pretty solid reflections. I'm inclined to agree.
I'm inclined to believe that Imic is telling the truth regarding the cult. That bit of flavor he quoted looked genuine. Based on what he described, it sounds like the cult leader has to ask people to join instead of forcefully converting them. That sounds like it could be a penalty from submitting two articles. Or it's just necessary to keep the cult balanced. I'm not sure yet.
Post by: Tiruin on January 09, 2018, 01:04:51 pm
You could use my votecount I made as a reference point, FoU. c: I hopefully assured its accuracy. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661980#msg7661980)
Anyway since no hammer but this is a TIMED day end, I'ma boop Silthuri and the other peoples here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7662718#msg7662718) for query.
Glad day is ending in 2 days approximately. Too tired to post anything now. Have to clean backlog of posts to fluff and write things in.
Favor please: Can someone gather and link all the tropes in one post because I somehow can't load the site they're hosted in. Saying such for the benefit of reading it on another are. Thanks ahead!
Post by: Imic on January 09, 2018, 01:24:50 pm
Post by: Silthuri on January 09, 2018, 01:39:17 pm
I'll also wrangle the tropes into one post. I need to look all of them up anyway because my lazy butt hasn't yet.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 09, 2018, 03:35:50 pm
Time Master (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeMaster): A character that can manipulate tine. Time travel, slowing time, that sort of thing.
Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RocksFallEveryoneDies): When a group of players piss off their GM too much that he decides to kill everyone and end the campaing.
Boring, but Practical (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BoringButPractical): Something far more reliable than everything else avaible, but is not exciting at all.
Affably Evil (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AffablyEvil): A friendly villain, but still a villian.
Katanas Are Just Better (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KatanasAreJustBetter): In any work of fiction, katanas are the coolest and most effective weapons to use.
Gosh Dang It to Heck! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoshdangItToHeck): Using made-up swar words in family-friendly shows or movies.
Worthless Yellow Rocks (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorthlessYellowRocks): When an ignorant or clueless character discards a valuable thing like gold.
Cincinnatus (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Cincinnatus): A reluctant leader with total power that choses to step down once the problem that required to appoint him supreme leader is solved.
Clock King (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ClockKing): A character so milimetric that will know the exact second an specific event will happen. Mostly a villian.
Red Herring (http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/redherring.gif): A misleading clue that leads in the wrong direction.
Hilarity Ensues (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HilarityEnsues): A funny and dangerous action that will not lead to realistic consequences.
Jumping the Shark (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingTheShark): When a series makes a significant change to attemp to stay fresh, only revealing that the show has run out of ideas.
Star-Crossed Lovers (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StarCrossedLovers): A pair of lovers that are doomed to be distanced by fate.
PFP, tell me if anything is wrong.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 09, 2018, 08:08:40 pm
Quote from: Affably Evil
They may Pet the Dog on occasion, but won't hesitate to kick it with steel-toed boots the next second if it helps them accomplish their Evil Plan.
Post by: Tiruin on January 09, 2018, 09:28:17 pm
Also, quoting from the Affably Evil page:See that's what told me that's evil. :PQuote from: Affably EvilThey may Pet the Dog on occasion, but won't hesitate to kick it with steel-toed boots the next second if it helps them accomplish their Evil Plan.
Anyway, all of those voting Maximum Spin: With the added time given, do you still think he is the best person to place your lynch vote on?
Still all x_x right now because of sleep deprivation. Will get a post later on.
Post by: Tiruin on January 09, 2018, 09:29:12 pm
What do you think about the people voting you, and their votes on you, including how they pushed it on you in a hammer game?Ever thought about asking people--as in 'everyone'--a direct 'are you scum', and then picking the person you'd like to lie detect from there?Doesn't work like that.
You also said you wanted a free question, so go ahead.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 09, 2018, 10:34:40 pm
Quote from: Tiruin
Anyway, all of those voting Maximum Spin: With the added time given, do you still think he is the best person to place your lynch vote on?Probably yes, his claim could be fake.
For example, in a BYOR like this, I might fabricate a coordinating set of fake abilities to subvert investigations and explain away "mislynching".Is this post that makes me not trust his claim. What if he is really a cultist or scum? Or his claim could be true but his alignment is still scum. We don't know.
Post by: juicebox on January 09, 2018, 11:52:29 pm
Quote from: GigaGiant link=topic=168550.msg7662679#msg7662679 date=1515476107
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You said here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661814#msg7661814) that you thought that Maximum Spin was town. Do you still believe that? Do you think anyone else is suspicious?
While I'm still leaning town on Max, I am a bit more suspicious of him than I was at first, due to this cultist business with Imic.
I'm also a bit suspicious of RGU, I don't like his voting on Maximum Spin on a gut feeling.
BHK, juicebox, Silthuri: I haven't heard from you much, lately. What are your ideas towards other people? This would be expected either today or tomorrow (because the mod may be out of commission due to sickness despite hammerfall, and usually the rule for hammers is 'do not speak when after the hammer has fallen'...which goes for everyone who missed it until the topic was brought up :P )
Everyone besides the players I players I listed above is a null read for me
Maximum Spin Which player here would you like to be your scum-buddy?There are a few answers I could give to that, with the variable being the form of strategy I'd adopt with that player on my team. For example, Imic would be among my choices, because I play using long-term strategies, and I'm confident in his ability to strategise and to maintain a strategy without going off-script like some others might.
Quote from: Maximum Spin link=topic=168550.msg7662207#msg7662207 date=151543279
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reasons[/i], I can confirm that Imic was explicitly told that there was a cult.
These two statements are really interesting when taken together. Max, can you elaborate on how exactly you know that Imic was told that there was a cult?
Post by: juicebox on January 10, 2018, 12:55:45 am
this is how that post was supposed to look
juiceboxWhile I'm still leaning town on Max, I am a bit more suspicious of him than I was at first, due to this cultist business with Imic.
You said here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7661814#msg7661814) that you thought that Maximum Spin was town. Do you still believe that? Do you think anyone else is suspicious?
I'm also a bit suspicious of RGU, I don't like his voting on Maximum Spin on a gut feeling.
BHK, juicebox, Silthuri: I haven't heard from you much, lately. What are your ideas towards other people? This would be expected either today or tomorrow (because the mod may be out of commission due to sickness despite hammerfall, and usually the rule for hammers is 'do not speak when after the hammer has fallen'...which goes for everyone who missed it until the topic was brought up :P )
Everyone besides the players I players I listed above is a null read for me
Maximum Spin Which player here would you like to be your scum-buddy?There are a few answers I could give to that, with the variable being the form of strategy I'd adopt with that player on my team. For example, Imic would be among my choices, because I play using long-term strategies, and I'm confident in his ability to strategise and to maintain a strategy without going off-script like some others might.
Anyway, due to reasons, I can confirm that Imic was explicitly told that there was a cult.
These two statements are really interesting when taken together. Max, can you elaborate on how exactly you know that Imic was told that there was a cult?
Post by: GigaGiant on January 10, 2018, 01:01:45 am
Anyway, due to reasons, I can confirm that Imic was explicitly told that there was a cult.
When did you learn about this message? Why did you choose to mention the cult after Imic brought it up, rather than earlier?Maximum spin, please explain this statement. How can you confirm this? Do you have a detective role?Hm, I wouldn't call my role conventionally "detective", but it does involve getting answers to things, so in a way, yes. I knew you received a message from cultists because I was told this.
And lastly, Imic: Imic, how suspicious I am of you would depend entirely on how you respond to that message you should have received last night. If you continue to ignore it, especially now that you know I know about it, well, that would suggest to me that you already have other allegiances.This statement is particularly confusing to me. Okay, I'm assuming that your role powers let you know whether Imic accepts or rejects the cult offer. Is that assumption correct? If so, then how does him ignoring that offer tell you that he has other allegiances?
Imic
You missed my last questions here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7662666#msg7662666).
Also, what choices do you have regarding that cult message you received last night? Can you only choose to accept it, or can you also choose to reject it?
kingawsume
Okay, but that's technically true for a vote against any one of us. Doesn't seem that relevant.Quote from: GigaGiant1. Why did you think it was unlikely that Maximum Spin was scum?Law of Probability; (ftp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_total_probability) we are, by simple majority, more likely to hit a townie D1 then anything else.
Did you have any kind of read on Maximum Spin before you hammered? What's your read on Maximum Spin now?
Also, you missed Tiruin's question:
Err, if you think someone is town, even as unhelpful as they are at the moment, anyone has unsaid abilities and other actions that they can do to help their wincon. Unhelpful town being dead, is best off done later...like, not on D1 ._.
Do you have reads on other people that approach a similar degree of scuminess, kingawsume?
Or is there something about Maximum Spin that pushed him to be a priority to hammer-lynch for the near-future?
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2018, 06:16:44 am
What do you think about the people voting you, and their votes on you, including how they pushed it on you in a hammer game?Probably more out of incompetence than malice. One possible strategy the mafia could employ during that: have one or two (depending on how many mafia there are) members join the bandwagon, in order to push it ahead a little more, while the rest stay out of it in order to help guide the post-town-flip witchhunt toward town bandwagoners, with the expectation that, once a town person from the bandwagon is lynched, people will just assume the bandwagon was not a mafia plot and totally discard any further clues it might have held from their minds.
Is this post that makes me not trust his claim. What if he is really a cultist or scum? Or his claim could be true but his alignment is still scum. We don't know.Things like this are what make me not trust you, because I think you're smart enough to know that mafia don't actually go around dropping little hints about their plans in the thread, and that strategy statements like that are totally nonpredictive.
When did you learn about this message? Why did you choose to mention the cult after Imic brought it up, rather than earlier?Beginning of d1, and because I currently understand the cult to be town-aligned. Answering the rest of your question is beyond the scope of the information I am presently willing and able to convey.
Post by: juicebox on January 10, 2018, 06:39:46 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2018, 06:42:37 am
Wait what? Cultists aren't town aligned, they're third parties.This is a BYOR, remember? You can't assume that.
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Also can you answer my question please?I don't know what else to say. I was told that he had received a message involving whispers from a cultist. That is how I know that he received a message involving whispers from a cultist.
Post by: juicebox on January 10, 2018, 06:57:10 am
Post by: juicebox on January 10, 2018, 06:58:27 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2018, 06:59:43 am
First time for everything.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 10, 2018, 07:01:52 am
Post by: kingawsume on January 10, 2018, 09:32:21 am
kingawsumeI had a read of "Annoying person" and just wanted to get rid of him from that. Now that's he's posted some more, I'm thinking something not so assimilar to a Spy role, except that it's a cult, not mafia. Alignment is grey, but I don't believe he's a cult member. I'll Unvote for now.Okay, but that's technically true for a vote against any one of us. Doesn't seem that relevant.Quote from: GigaGiant1. Why did you think it was unlikely that Maximum Spin was scum?Law of Probability; (ftp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_total_probability) we are, by simple majority, more likely to hit a townie D1 then anything else.
Did you have any kind of read on Maximum Spin before you hammered? What's your read on Maximum Spin now?
Also, you missed Tiruin's question:Err, if you think someone is town, even as unhelpful as they are at the moment, anyone has unsaid abilities and other actions that they can do to help their wincon. Unhelpful town being dead, is best off done later...like, not on D1 ._.
Do you have reads on other people that approach a similar degree of scuminess, kingawsume?
Or is there something about Maximum Spin that pushed him to be a priority to hammer-lynch for the near-future?
To Tiru, not yet. I'll look more when I have the time. Day ends tomorrow, right?
Post by: notquitethere on January 10, 2018, 11:22:45 am
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Post by: Tiruin on January 10, 2018, 11:42:22 am
[...Could I ask why there's a firsthand similarity, or at least how it seems to be to me, between you and Maximum Spin's ideas--that the cult leader would speak to or address the target--that isn't directly explained but used as a foundation for the reasoning written down?
Post by: notquitethere on January 10, 2018, 12:11:30 pm
Well at first blush it seemed logical. I thought that the cult leader would want to try to get a handle on the person who was considering their offer. Now I'm of the opinion that the cult leader would probably avoid speaking to someone if that person had refused their offer. Everything depends on how the cult works mechanically, which only the cult leader knows (if there even is a cult-- Imic might be lying or could have received false information to mislead).[...Could I ask why there's a firsthand similarity, or at least how it seems to be to me, between you and Maximum Spin's ideas--that the cult leader would speak to or address the target--that isn't directly explained but used as a foundation for the reasoning written down?
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 10, 2018, 12:46:06 pm
Post by: Imic on January 10, 2018, 01:47:37 pm
Post by: GigaGiant on January 10, 2018, 04:46:15 pm
Well, alright. Is there any other information that you would be willing to share with us? Will you tell us more information if you survive to Day 2?When did you learn about this message? Why did you choose to mention the cult after Imic brought it up, rather than earlier?Beginning of d1, and because I currently understand the cult to be town-aligned. Answering the rest of your question is beyond the scope of the information I am presently willing and able to convey.
kingawsume
What is a "Spy role" capable of? Is it like the Spy mentioned on the Town of Salem Wiki (http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Spy), or is it the Spy/Traitor mentioned on the MafiaScum Wiki (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor)? Or something else?kingawsumeI had a read of "Annoying person" and just wanted to get rid of him from that. Now that's he's posted some more, I'm thinking something not so assimilar to a Spy role, except that it's a cult, not mafia. Alignment is grey, but I don't believe he's a cult member. I'll Unvote for now.Okay, but that's technically true for a vote against any one of us. Doesn't seem that relevant.Quote from: GigaGiant1. Why did you think it was unlikely that Maximum Spin was scum?Law of Probability; (ftp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_total_probability) we are, by simple majority, more likely to hit a townie D1 then anything else.
Did you have any kind of read on Maximum Spin before you hammered? What's your read on Maximum Spin now?
Also, you missed Tiruin's question:Err, if you think someone is town, even as unhelpful as they are at the moment, anyone has unsaid abilities and other actions that they can do to help their wincon. Unhelpful town being dead, is best off done later...like, not on D1 ._.
Do you have reads on other people that approach a similar degree of scuminess, kingawsume?
Or is there something about Maximum Spin that pushed him to be a priority to hammer-lynch for the near-future?
To Tiru, not yet. I'll look more when I have the time. Day ends tomorrow, right?
Imic
Hmmm...Why are you avoiding answering my questions (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7662666#msg7662666)? If nothing else, I would really appreciate it if you could at least answer these:
What choices do you have regarding that cult message you received last night? Can you only choose to accept it, or can you also choose to reject it?
Post by: Silthuri on January 10, 2018, 05:07:16 pm
Spoiler: Maximum Spin (click to show/hide)
I've worked with a lot of backgrounds in areas where communication is vital, and while the impression is true of 'bad communication' usually leading to misunderstandings and otherwise, that's diverging from the point of communication; an answer is better than none. It also shows respect to the other person too.Spoiler: randomgenericusername (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: BlackHeartKabal (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: GigaGiant (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Imic (click to show/hide)
Anyway, all of those voting Maximum Spin: With the added time given, do you still think he is the best person to place your lynch vote on?I'm very confuzzled with the recent developments and I'm going back and forth between Max and Imic because of the cult shenanigans. I think Imic is a possible cultist and I don't necessarily trust his word that he doesn't want to join the cult. But Max's meager responses are still a source of confusion for me, so as of right now I suppose that my best choice is to place my vote on the person who has confirmed (by his own words) contact with a cult so Imic.
EBWOP:
Post by: Silthuri on January 10, 2018, 05:08:54 pm
I was going to put in a PPE about how I noticed that the bulk of the post was (unintentionally) about Max.
Post by: kingawsume on January 10, 2018, 05:22:56 pm
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What is a "Spy role" capable of? Is it like the Spy mentioned on the Town of Salem Wiki, or is it the Spy/Traitor mentioned on the MafiaScum Wiki? Or something else?Town of Salem.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 10, 2018, 07:43:34 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 10, 2018, 11:18:50 pm
Could I ask why there's a firsthand similarity, or at least how it seems to be to me, between you and Maximum Spin's ideas--that the cult leader would speak to or address the target--that isn't directly explained but used as a foundation for the reasoning written down?Wait when the hell did I say that?
Not everyone here has had the luxury of playing with you before this game, such as myself. I believe you were lynched before I even replaced in, so I didn't look very hard at your play given that I was scum and had more pressing matters.It would be fair to say that I hoped nobody would find the basic concept of "not answering every single question" so foundationally disturbing and confounding, whether they've had the opportunity to play with me before or not. But I would be especially more annoyed at people who had.
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So, again, you're ignoring questions rather than asking for clarification?Yes, because it's not my responsibility to make sure your questions make sense for you! I don't have this drive to answer questions just because they're there, remember?
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You're accusing Tiru of being extremely wordy (correct me if I'm wrong)Okay! Usually she isn't wordy enough, at least not in the direction of actual clarification, while the words she does use don't make sense in context and just add to the confusion.
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Maybe I'm just being nitpicky here because I'm easily miffed where friends come in and I just have this natural urge to defend Tiru, especially when it comes to her writing :vLook, I didn't want to bring it up, but she kept pressing the issue. I like Tiruin, okay, I just find her really really hard to understand most of the time. I was trying not to make a big deal out of it.
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And on reading further, you are extremely passive aggressive.If you think you see me being passive-aggressive, it's probable that you're misinterpreting something. Or just confusing sarcasm with passive-aggressiveness, which is a common enough mistake. Anyway, please explain when you think I'm being passive-aggressive? If I have ever been anything less than actually aggressive I would consider it a grave stain on my honour.
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I'd like to restate a question I believe I and someone else asked and you conveniently didn't answer: rather than simply ignoring, why not just say what you said right here? Answer the question by saying you don't do RVS? If you have decent reasoning, the distraction would be significantly less than what we've been dealing with all day today.Because I didn't feel like going out of my way to answer a question with faulty premises, and getting distracted by people not answering every single question is insane and terrible, so I didn't expect it to happen.
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This is rubbing me the wrong way. Could be just me, but you seem to be making kinda personal attacks on people, especially with king here.shrug
I wouldn't call any of that an attack at all, personal or otherwise, myself.
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I'd also like to point out that you don't state a read on me in this post. I'm only mentioned as misunderstanding you.Huh, I seem to have missed you, even though I was following the list of players in the first post.
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Took you a while to say this, too.Yep.
I mentioned it when Imic went out of his way to acknowledge it, since I considered it Imic's business and none of my own.
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Well then. I'd love to know how your role prevents you from telling people what your role is, when you're subtly doing that now.Hypothetically, the theme of the role could be about only doing things or giving away information subtly.
I think that it's probable that Maximum Spin was a cultist and he recruited Imic, then made the fake claim of his ability to support Imic's story about being asked to join the cult. Imic was the one who was "offered" to join the cult so he is probably not the cult leader but could still potentially be a cultist. I don't think we should vote for Imic yet.Wait wait wait. Why on earth would I want to back up Imic's admission of the existence of a cult if I was in it? I'm not a cultist (I already told you, remember), and in fact I'm pretty confident there is no cult alignment in the game, but, if I was, and Imic was in the cult, I'd be telling him "hey genius don't tell everyone there's a cult", because why would any cult member want you to think there was a cult ever?
This kind of nonsensical elaborate loophole thinking is above you and why I think you are scum.
Post by: Imic on January 11, 2018, 01:47:38 am
I said Notquitethere, but I meant gigagiant. It was a case of me forgetting someone's name because I was busy at the time. I feel like my point is less clear, and my case is on shaky ground, though, so I think I'm going to draw out until tomorrow.
Post by: Imic on January 11, 2018, 01:49:55 am
Post by: GigaGiant on January 11, 2018, 02:17:43 am
Working on a hunch, I started writing out evidence for how GigaGiant is probably the cult leader. But now I've gone through it, it seems less likely/reading back I seem increasingly deranged. So the work wasn't wasted, here's what I found:I wish I was a recruiter. :P However, if I was, Imic would be one of my last choices. I probably would have tried recruiting you or Tiruin, simply on the basis of experience.Spoiler: Case For (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Case Against (click to show/hide)
Regarding some of your other points:
1. I was moving my RVS questions around a lot while I was originally editing them. I think I moved the questions for Imic and Silthuri to the top 2 slots because they sounded friendlier and I wanted to start with them. I also made sure that the questions for you and Tiruin were adjacent. Other than that, I didn't pay any attention to the order.
2. I was questioning Imic for a few reasons
_A. To clarify if he actually was talking about you or me in this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7662038#msg7662038)
_B. To find out his thoughts regarding Maximum Spin, who was being discussed by most of the town at the time. He hadn't commented on him or his behavior.
_C. As part of my effort to understand Maximum Spin's connection to him. I speculated in the same post that Maximum Spin would know when Imic accepted or rejected the cult offer, and I questioned Imic regarding that to check if my speculation was accurate.
Silthuri
1. That vote was intended as a pressure vote to make him talk. I wanted him to answer as soon as possible, since there was the possibility of the Day ending when FOU came back. I didn't consider him worthy of lynching at the time.ImicThe thing that goes through my mind here are noobtells versus scumtells. You're attacking a relatively new player for being more passive in their gameplay. Do you really think this means Imic is scum or are they just learning the game?notquitethere I have several reasons to be suspicioud of him, but I don't want to say any of them. I want to see what he thinks and what he says, but I don't think I'll get up to anything until tommorrow1. Why keep those suspicions to yourself? If your suspicions are well founded, then what's the disadvantage of saying them now?
Juicebox I haven't played mafia on the forum much, although I've done it a lot in real life, my playstile is usually to watch in the corner for signs of lying when questioned, and try to piece things together from that. I'm going to see now if that works on a forum.
2. Instead of being passive and waiting for others to ask me questions, why not take the initiative? You can ask me questions directly. If I'm scum, then this would only help your case. Either I would answer your questions and potentially reveal more lies, or I would refuse to answer them, which would be suspicious in itself. What's the downside?
What's your opinion of Maximum Spin?
Also, please note the highly emphasized parts in your reply to Imic. Are you trying to hint at something here? It's almost like you're trying to nudge Imic to think that Max is scummy based on his refusal to answer questions. You defend Max but then urge the new player subtly into believing that Max is indeed scummy.
2. I was a little ticked at him because of his unclear "Why am I suspicious of you" questions earlier, so that probably influenced my tone.
3. I recognized that he was new, but I didn't agree with his play style choice and wanted to make that clear. I was trying to explain the advantages of being more proactive, though I admit my tone may have been too aggressive.
4. I wasn't hinting at anything nor was I trying to influence his opinion of Maximum Spin. MS was a topic of discussion for most of the town at the time, so I just wanted to know what he thought about MS, since he hadn't commented on him. I hoped his response would give me some insight into what he was thinking and how much attention he was paying to the game.
5. I wasn't trying to defend Maximum Spin. My vote would have remained on him had the hammer not been an issue. That's why I FOSed him in that post. I didn't want him hammered since that would cut the day short, and we would lose valuable scum hunting time.
Maximum Spin
You missed my questions.
Maximum SpinOr was it that you just refused to answer them because the questions seemed too vague? Then I'll rephrase them:Well, alright. Is there any other information that you would be willing to share with us? Will you tell us more information if you survive to Day 2?When did you learn about this message? Why did you choose to mention the cult after Imic brought it up, rather than earlier?Beginning of d1, and because I currently understand the cult to be town-aligned. Answering the rest of your question is beyond the scope of the information I am presently willing and able to convey.
Is there anything else within that "scope of information" that you haven't already mentioned and would be willing to share today (Day 1) or tomorrow (Day 2)?
This is my last question for you. I had much more to say regarding you, but I'll save it for tomorrow when I'm less tired.
Also, FOU, I think BlackHeartKabal needs to be prodded. He hasn't posted in over 3 days. Tawa might need to be prodded as well. It's nearly been 3 days for him too.
PPE:
Imic
I do not intend to join the cult. I am a townie as - is, and I am perfectly happy with that.If you did want to join the cult, what do you have to do? Do you just respond to the cult message with a yes or a no?
Who do you think should be lynched?
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 11, 2018, 02:23:40 am
You missed my questions.I did in fact miss those questions, although I'm not sure I would have given them a straight answer anyway. As of right now I'm not sure I have any more information of import to volunteer, no. Tomorrow... I mean, we'll see what information I have tomorrow! I can't make any promises about that, obviously.Well, alright. Is there any other information that you would be willing to share with us? Will you tell us more information if you survive to Day 2?Or was it that you just refused to answer them because the questions seemed too vague? Then I'll rephrase them:
Is there anything else within that "scope of information" that you haven't already mentioned and would be willing to share today (Day 1) or tomorrow (Day 2)?
Post by: Imic on January 11, 2018, 04:56:47 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 11, 2018, 09:40:46 am
Also, FOU, I think BlackHeartKabal needs to be prodded. He hasn't posted in over 3 days. Tawa might need to be prodded as well. It's nearly been 3 days for him too.Noted.
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Day 1 will end 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time today(48 hours later than normal due to it being Day 1). The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
Votecount:
(3) *Maximum Spin: BlackHeartKabal, Tawa, randomgenericusername
(1) *notquitethere: juicebox
(1) *kingawsume: notquitethere
(0) *Tiruin:
(0) *Silthuri:
(0) *BlackHeartKabal:
(1) *randomgenericusername: Maximum Spin
(0) *GigaGiant:
(0) *Tawa:
(0) *juicebox:
(1) *Imic: GigaGiant
Not voting: kingawsume, Imic, Silthuri
(* denotes that the player has not yet used their personal 24 hour extension)
Tropecount:
((bolded orange is an acceptable alternative to purple for trope voting.))
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(1) Boring But Practical: Tawa
(1) Katanas Are Just Better: randomgenericusername
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck:
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks:
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Clock King:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(9) Hilarity Ensues: notquitethere, BlackHeartKabal, Imic, Maximum Spin, kingawsume, juicebox, Silthuri, Tiruin, GigaGiant
(0) Jumping The Shark:
Not voting:
Trope in Effect: The Coconut Effect(scroll up)
((If you detect any flaws in the counts, please let me know))
Post by: juicebox on January 11, 2018, 11:12:35 am
Post by: juicebox on January 11, 2018, 11:14:42 am
Post by: Imic on January 11, 2018, 12:24:52 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 11, 2018, 12:36:02 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 11, 2018, 12:48:26 pm
I believe Silthuri is currently voting for Imic
and Imic actually unvoted NQT, although he didn't put it in red.Missed both of those.
Post by: Imic on January 11, 2018, 02:04:50 pm
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on January 11, 2018, 03:30:39 pm
Post by: GigaGiant on January 11, 2018, 04:30:49 pm
kingawsume: Hasn't participated much. Knowingly hammered Maximum Spin, and was fine with what he considered a probable mislynch. Has yet to do any actual scum hunting. Hasn't done anything after I finished questioning him. My top lynch candidate at the moment.
BlackHeartKabal: Lurking. Null read, leaning scum. He's only posted 3 times during the game, 2 of which were RVS. His one other post is just him jumping onto the tail end of a bandwagon without any reasoning. I'm definitely okay with seeing him get lynched. (PPE: May change depending on what he posts next)
Imic: Null read, slightly leaning scum. Seems like he was disinterested in the game for most of Day 1. He could be passive town, active lurking scum, or just somebody who really doesn't know how to play. I don't know yet, but I'm fine with him getting lynched.
For the record, here's my read on Maximum Spin:
I'm leaning toward him not being scum. Several of the actions he's taken during Day 1 seem too risky for someone with a mafia win condition. He's certainly not afraid to be provocative and disagreeable either. If he was mafia, I would expect him to not be so reckless.
I also think this quote in particular implies that he is town.
And lastly, Imic: Imic, how suspicious I am of you would depend entirely on how you respond to that message you should have received last night. If you continue to ignore it, especially now that you know I know about it, well, that would suggest to me that you already have other allegiances.
He posted this in his reads before Imic revealed the cult message. At the time, there was a chance that Maximum Spin would be hammered upon FOU's return, so I think he included this as a clue for the town to figure out after his death. I suspect that Maximum Spin's role reveal combined with this clue would have been enough for us to figure out that Imic had received a cult invitation. Maximum Spin has mentioned (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7663630#msg7663630) how he understood this "cult" to be town-aligned, so it seems like he thought that Imic's refusal to join could indicate that he's scum. Furthermore, Maximum Spin's role reveal might have led us to same conclusions, that the "cult" was town-aligned and Imic not joining was suspicious.
That said, I'm not sure why he didn't just come out and say this. I could be wrong in my interpretation of this quote, but he refused to comment on this, so I think it's relevant in some way.
Post by: Imic on January 11, 2018, 04:34:38 pm
Post by: Silthuri on January 11, 2018, 04:52:50 pm
I think Max is just guilty of not conforming to the meta which is why I don't think he's a good lynch candidate.
I think imic is a decent choice because he was contacted by the cult and we can't take him at his word that he won't join it.
On the other hand, I think BHK could also be a decent candidate because of the blatant bandwagon and lack of posting but I really want to see him respond to the thread, hopefully before day end.
Post by: kingawsume on January 11, 2018, 05:10:30 pm
Quote from: Gigagiant
Hasn't participated much. Knowingly hammered Maximum Spin, and was fine with what he considered a probable mislynch. Has yet to do any actual scum hunting. Hasn't done anything after I finished questioning him. My top lynch candidate at the moment.Yes, I knowingly hammered; this was also a point where I was still high on pain meds and annoyed at everything for existing. (Doesn't excuse it, I know that.)
As for not doing anything, IRL has taken an unexpected turn. I have been more busy this past week that I was most of December. I had surgery a week ago (Pain Meds), and still haven't hully recovered. I have a lot of shit to do, and not alot of time to do it. Blah blah blah, don't in on a game you can't make, yadda yadda yadda.
Post by: kingawsume on January 11, 2018, 05:12:50 pm
Post by: Imic on January 11, 2018, 05:25:56 pm
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on January 11, 2018, 05:44:47 pm
BHK, juicebox, Silthuri: I haven't heard from you much, lately. What are your ideas towards other people? This would be expected either today or tomorrow (because the mod may be out of commission due to sickness despite hammerfall, and usually the rule for hammers is 'do not speak when after the hammer has fallen'...which goes for everyone who missed it until the topic was brought up :P )I don't necessarily have ideas towards everyone in particular.
Maximum Spin - cornered himself and is probably unlucky scum or unlucky town.
Imic - Should be killed immediately if MS turns scum.
Silthuri - Shares my hate for RVS, and is also one of the two taking lead of the town.
NQT - Taking lead of the town, as usual. Should speak up with what he gets.
On the other hand, I think BHK could also be a decent candidate because of the blatant bandwagon and lack of posting but I really want to see him respond to the thread, hopefully before day end.Why not vote for Maximum Spin, if he's the primary suspect?
Also, I'm pretty confident all of these tropes are from submitted roles. Just pointing out the elephant in the room.
Post by: Tawa on January 11, 2018, 05:52:23 pm
Spoiler: My reads (click to show/hide)
Right now, I'm looking at two possible lynch candidates: Max or BHK, and, as you can see, leaning BHK. The way I see it, lynching BHK could give us tons of crucial information tonight.
When I put the first vote on Maximum Spin, RGUN, Tiruin, Silthuri, king, and BHK all voted after me. In my opinion, BHK was a blatant bandwagon. I feel like something is also off about RGUN's vote, and kingawsume's vote was almost certainly a suspicious bandwagon, but that's beside my point.
Now, if Max is actually mafia, then we can safely assume that if BHK is mafia, BHK wouldn't bandwagon on Max. So if we lynch BHK and find out they're scum, we can assume that Max is town. In that case, we can assume that Max is telling the truth about Imic and the cult message. If we lynch BHK and they're town, we're down a lurker.
Lastly, I have a hypothesis--a deeply grasping-at-straws hypothesis, but a hypothesis nonetheless--that BHK could be the cult leader. Their initial group of questions suggests that BHK could be third party. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659816#msg7659816) This would also explain the lurking as a ploy to keep the cult hush-hush. Again, this is pretty out there, and I don't expect it to be true--but I think it's definitely a possibility.
Post by: GigaGiant on January 11, 2018, 06:23:30 pm
Imic
Gigagiant I think you have a very good point about maximum spin. As for my playstyle, most of my posts are done in brief periods, so I don't have much time to review my post or really read over the thread. I garuntee you I'm a townie, just one with not a lot of free time, and one who hasn't playe dmafia much in the past.Hm...alright, fair enough. Would like to see you question people a bit more often.
Why would I tell you all about a cult if I was then to join it? It'd be a dick move for one thing, telling everyone that something exists and then joining it, and since I have told everyone that there is a cult, I'm not going to join it, but if you think I will join it anyway, you're clearly mad, since it would be suicide for me at this rate. Now everyone knows there's a cult, they'll be in the lookout for it, wnd if I'm part of that, or if I ever look suspicious again, I'm dead, and so is the cult.Good reasoning, Imic. Keep this up.
Who do you plan to vote for?
kingawsume
Ugh, sorry for how your life is going. I know the struggle of balancing this game with real life responsibilities.Quote from: GigagiantHasn't participated much. Knowingly hammered Maximum Spin, and was fine with what he considered a probable mislynch. Has yet to do any actual scum hunting. Hasn't done anything after I finished questioning him. My top lynch candidate at the moment.Yes, I knowingly hammered; this was also a point where I was still high on pain meds and annoyed at everything for existing. (Doesn't excuse it, I know that.)
As for not doing anything, IRL has taken an unexpected turn. I have been more busy this past week that I was most of December. I had surgery a week ago (Pain Meds), and still haven't hully recovered. I have a lot of shit to do, and not alot of time to do it. Blah blah blah, don't in on a game you can't make, yadda yadda yadda.
Who do you plan to vote for?
BlackHeartKabal
Is that the only reason you voted him? Who do you intend to vote for now?On the other hand, I think BHK could also be a decent candidate because of the blatant bandwagon and lack of posting but I really want to see him respond to the thread, hopefully before day end.Why not vote for Maximum Spin, if he's the primary suspect?
Post by: notquitethere on January 11, 2018, 06:26:41 pm
Don't have time for a big post and am on phone so will keep brief:
I don't think Max is best hit for today and I don't want a 3-way draw. BHK has laid low and kicked the boot in on Max. Of the voters on Max, he seems the best candidate as Tawa has outlined. I'll try to get in before the end of the day and change to avoid a draw if I need to. What would be better is if the rest of the town decide and don't let scum nudge a mislynch.
PPE: looks like Giga is on same page
Post by: Silthuri on January 11, 2018, 06:36:18 pm
On the other hand, I think BHK could also be a decent candidate because of the blatant bandwagon and lack of posting but I really want to see him respond to the thread, hopefully before day end.Why not vote for Maximum Spin, if he's the primary suspect?
Regardless of whether someone is a primary suspect, it really isn't wise to just throw your vote at 'em and be done. Had you read through the thread at that point? In which case you should have given a bit more reasoning imo than what you did.
So I looked at the lurker tracker and it looks like we have a tie between lynching BHK, king and max. Because I don't want a tie and day ends soon, BHK, my alternate lynch candidate.
PPE ninjad with the tie breaker. I'll still leave my vote with BHK to make damn sure we don't have a tie.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 11, 2018, 06:36:31 pm
That said, I'm not sure why he didn't just come out and say this. I could be wrong in my interpretation of this quote, but he refused to comment on this, so I think it's relevant in some way.Partly because my role really is themed toward not just coming out and saying things, and partly because that's honestly my own style anyway, but also partly because it's just so great when people pick up on these little details.
Oh wow this BHK thing is looking super suspicious right now. I'm just going to leave my vote where it's at for the moment.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 11, 2018, 06:36:59 pm
Well, I don't know why is everyone voting BHK when Max was our main suspect hours ago for a long time. I am quite sure everyone read him as scum at least once because of his strange behavior and his refusal to answer questions. While he might not be mafia, he could be a cultist since only him and Imic had knowledge about the cult. All of these votes seem to be basically "He voted for Max". It even looks like a scum bandwagon.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 11, 2018, 06:39:56 pm
Unvote
BHK
Post by: Silthuri on January 11, 2018, 06:48:59 pm
Also pfp and about to fall into a food coma
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on January 11, 2018, 06:52:25 pm
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on January 11, 2018, 06:58:00 pm
Right now, I'm looking at two possible lynch candidates: Max or BHK, and, as you can see, leaning BHK. The way I see it, lynching BHK could give us tons of crucial information tonight.I'm a role that can only give my action results through messages to others primed to send after I die, since I'm forbidden from giving anything I learn out outside of my death messages. I asked the questions to screen and give a breadcrumb to put NQT up if he doesn't out my results, since I was intent on having the messages be sent to him for this game, which is why I asked the question to him. I can prime one message per day but can prime another if I give up my vote.
When I put the first vote on Maximum Spin, RGUN, Tiruin, Silthuri, king, and BHK all voted after me. In my opinion, BHK was a blatant bandwagon. I feel like something is also off about RGUN's vote, and kingawsume's vote was almost certainly a suspicious bandwagon, but that's beside my point.
Now, if Max is actually mafia, then we can safely assume that if BHK is mafia, BHK wouldn't bandwagon on Max. So if we lynch BHK and find out they're scum, we can assume that Max is town. In that case, we can assume that Max is telling the truth about Imic and the cult message. If we lynch BHK and they're town, we're down a lurker.
Lastly, I have a hypothesis--a deeply grasping-at-straws hypothesis, but a hypothesis nonetheless--that BHK could be the cult leader. Their initial group of questions suggests that BHK could be third party. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659816#msg7659816) This would also explain the lurking as a ploy to keep the cult hush-hush. Again, this is pretty out there, and I don't expect it to be true--but I think it's definitely a possibility.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 11, 2018, 07:35:16 pm
Wait... We're suspicious for wanting to break the tie but you come in when there's no tie, broken by nqt and all but ensured by me, and you toss a vote in and that's okay?The lynch is still suspicious but it's still better to switch the vote to avoid having a draw. Who knows, maybe some people unvote later or switch votes. It's mostly a safeguard to guarantee that we get a lynch today, if that's what you mean.
Also pfp and about to fall into a food coma
Post by: GigaGiant on January 11, 2018, 07:49:45 pm
... Am I expected to just... never vote for anyone D1?You can vote, just do it with some sort of purpose. Have an actual reason behind it. Just voting to go along with the crowd makes it look like you don't care who gets lynched.
I'm a role that can only give my action results through messages to others primed to send after I die, since I'm forbidden from giving anything I learn out outside of my death messages. I asked the questions to screen and give a breadcrumb to put NQT up if he doesn't out my results, since I was intent on having the messages be sent to him for this game, which is why I asked the question to him. I can prime one message per day but can prime another if I give up my vote.1. Why did you choose NQT?
2. Did you give up your vote for Day 1? Was that vote on Maximum Spin actually meaningless?
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on January 11, 2018, 07:59:47 pm
BlackHeartKabalOn voting - It's D1. What was the reason for putting up MS, then, if not to have everyone vote him up?... Am I expected to just... never vote for anyone D1?You can vote, just do it with some sort of purpose. Have an actual reason behind it. Just voting to go along with the crowd makes it look like you don't care who gets lynched.I'm a role that can only give my action results through messages to others primed to send after I die, since I'm forbidden from giving anything I learn out outside of my death messages. I asked the questions to screen and give a breadcrumb to put NQT up if he doesn't out my results, since I was intent on having the messages be sent to him for this game, which is why I asked the question to him. I can prime one message per day but can prime another if I give up my vote.1. Why did you choose NQT?
2. Did you give up your vote for Day 1? Was that vote on Maximum Spin actually meaningless?
1. He always takes some sort of leadership role in the town anyway. If he's town, it's obviously beneficial. If he isn't, I doubt he could bluff his way out.
2. No. No.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 11, 2018, 08:26:30 pm
Day 1 will end 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time today(48 hours later than normal due to it being Day 1), about 35 minutes from now. The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
Votecount:
(1) *Maximum Spin: BlackHeartKabal
(1) *notquitethere: juicebox
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) *Tiruin:
(0) *Silthuri:
(5) *BlackHeartKabal: Tawa, GigaGiant, notquitethere, randomgenericusername, Silthuri
(1) *randomgenericusername: Maximum Spin
(0) *GigaGiant:
(0) *Tawa:
(0) *juicebox:
(0) *Imic:
Not voting: kingawsume, Imic
(* denotes that the player has not yet used their personal 24 hour extension)
Tropecount:
((bolded orange is an acceptable alternative to purple for trope voting.))
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(1) Boring But Practical: Tawa
(1) Katanas Are Just Better: randomgenericusername
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck:
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks:
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Clock King:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(9) Hilarity Ensues: notquitethere, BlackHeartKabal, Imic, Maximum Spin, kingawsume, juicebox, Silthuri, Tiruin, GigaGiant
(0) Jumping The Shark:
Not voting:
Trope in Effect: The Coconut Effect(scroll up)
((If you detect any flaws in the counts, please let me know))
Post by: Silthuri on January 11, 2018, 08:42:59 pm
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on January 11, 2018, 08:45:23 pm
FoU I'm voting for BHK.It's almost as if you coordinated the lynch to happen before town could stop it.
Post by: Silthuri on January 11, 2018, 08:47:02 pm
Wait... We're suspicious for wanting to break the tie but you come in when there's no tie, broken by nqt and all but ensured by me, and you toss a vote in and that's okay?The lynch is still suspicious but it's still better to switch the vote to avoid having a draw. Who knows, maybe some people unvote later or switch votes. It's mostly a safeguard to guarantee that we get a lynch today, if that's what you mean.
Also pfp and about to fall into a food coma
So am I suspicious for voting him? Is NQT as both of expressed a similar idea of preventing a tie?
How? By mentioning that the mod didn't record my vote?FoU I'm voting for BHK.It's almost as if you coordinated the lynch to happen before town could stop it.
Post by: GigaGiant on January 11, 2018, 08:47:57 pm
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GigaGiant has requested a replacement.
Yeah, sorry everyone, its been fun, but I completely underestimated how much time was involved in playing this game and I have other obligations I need to deal with. I just wanted to make it through Day 1 before I quit. Sorry again. :(
I'll continue playing until my replacement is found, but I wanted to say the above in case I get replaced during Night 1.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on January 11, 2018, 08:49:05 pm
Maybe a quickchat, or whatever scum teams still use.Wait... We're suspicious for wanting to break the tie but you come in when there's no tie, broken by nqt and all but ensured by me, and you toss a vote in and that's okay?The lynch is still suspicious but it's still better to switch the vote to avoid having a draw. Who knows, maybe some people unvote later or switch votes. It's mostly a safeguard to guarantee that we get a lynch today, if that's what you mean.
Also pfp and about to fall into a food coma
So am I suspicious for voting him? Is NQT as both of expressed a similar idea of preventing a tie?How? By mentioning that the mod didn't record my vote?FoU I'm voting for BHK.It's almost as if you coordinated the lynch to happen before town could stop it.
Post by: Silthuri on January 11, 2018, 08:54:20 pm
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on January 11, 2018, 09:00:56 pm
You quoted me pointing out an error in the count when saying that and I'm a bit confused what that has to do with it. I'm well aware of how a scum team can coordinate, but of all the people voting for you, why are you singling me out as the coordinator?I'm not. I just have the suspected coordinator already pointed out to someone capable of handling it via my post mortem messaging ability. I'm just intent on putting everyone on the bandwagon to the wall to the best of my ability.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 11, 2018, 09:04:11 pm
FoU I'm voting for BHK.D'oh.
And that looks like day end. Processing.
Votecount:
(0) *Maximum Spin:
(1) *notquitethere: juicebox
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) *Tiruin:
(0) *Silthuri:
(5) *BlackHeartKabal: Tawa, GigaGiant, notquitethere, randomgenericusername, Silthuri
(1) *randomgenericusername: Maximum Spin
(0) *GigaGiant:
(0) *Tawa:
(0) *juicebox:
(0) *Imic:
Not voting: kingawsume, Imic
(* denotes that the player has not yet used their personal 24 hour extension)
In the end, after much moving of votes, it was decided that BlackHeartKabal was evil and had to die. His name was placed into the L.Y.N.C.H, not once, but five times. When the day ended, it was his name on the line. The device fired a single bullet.
He died laughing. Quote: "It was all part of my plan, you see! All part of my plan! Bwa-ha... ha... ha... *bloody cough**last breath*
Truly, as the L.Y.N.C.H. revealed, he was a manipulator, a chess master. Had his plan come to fruition with his death?
BlackHeartKabal was A manipulator across time(town).
(1-Shot, Night): Dead man’s bomb [target]: When you die, your target immediately explodes(which kills them).
(Day): In the event of my untimely demise [target]: Compose a message. When you die, your target receives this message in private. You may use this action one extra time in the day in exchange for losing your vote for the day.
(Auto): Thanatos Gambit: You cannot reveal information gained via Investigation until after your death.
(Night): Investigation [target]: You learn two of the following, selected at random: Your target’s role name, one of their role abilities, one alignment that your target is not, their intended target or targets this night, how many people visited them this night, or how many ability shots they have remaining. If your target dies, you learn a random player(other than you) who did not kill them.
Perhaps, maybe, it did. But what could he have wrought in so short a time?
In any case, the second part of the L.Y.N.C.H's function activated with far more of a following. A massive 9 votes.
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(1) Boring But Practical: Tawa
(1) Katanas Are Just Better: randomgenericusername
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck:
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks:
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Clock King:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(9) Hilarity Ensues: notquitethere, BlackHeartKabal, Imic, Maximum Spin, kingawsume, juicebox, Silthuri, Tiruin, GigaGiant
(0) Jumping The Shark:
Not voting:
It was decided. Reality itself was shifted. Hilarity would ensue.
Null burst in through a dimensional window.
"Sorry I'm late. Just finished killing this chaos god, Xom... wait, you guys did the lynch without me?"
Awkwardness ensued. Nobody wanted to get stabbed by Null.
"Dammit. Ah well. I just wanted to say I brought presents! Completely unrelated to Xom's death! I assure you! Merry Christmas!"
"Christmas was weeks ago."
"... blasted temporal anomaly."
Trope: Hilarity Ensues: Each living player gains a handcrafted special Hilarity Ensues ability, distributed at random.
There were eleven presents sitting in a circle, touched with chaos magic. Null grabbed one for himself, leaving the rest for the players of the game.
Null looked in his present box and cackled. No player responded.
"Now that late Christmas is done, how about you all murder each other some more!
It is now Night 1. Send in your night actions or lack thereof. Night 1 will end 9:30 P.M. Central/Forum time on Monday, or when I have all actions. I repeat, GigaGiant is requesting a replacement.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 11, 2018, 09:12:58 pm
I don't know if I can post because day ended but I never specified you. I was just commenting that the lynch looked fishy because of how fast it was.Wait... We're suspicious for wanting to break the tie but you come in when there's no tie, broken by nqt and all but ensured by me, and you toss a vote in and that's okay?The lynch is still suspicious but it's still better to switch the vote to avoid having a draw. Who knows, maybe some people unvote later or switch votes. It's mostly a safeguard to guarantee that we get a lynch today, if that's what you mean.
Also pfp and about to fall into a food coma
So am I suspicious for voting him? Is NQT as both of expressed a similar idea of preventing a tie?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 11, 2018, 09:32:21 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 15, 2018, 09:36:17 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 16, 2018, 10:36:35 am
notquitethere and MoonyTheHuman were looking rather... pained. Like they had just shaken off death.
notquitethere has died. notquitethere has revived.
GigaGiant has died. GigaGiant has revived and was replaced by MoonyTheHuman.
"Oh well. That's how it's gonna be sometimes."
Votecount:
(0) *Maximum Spin:
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) *Tiruin:
(0) *Silthuri:
(0) *randomgenericusername:
(0) *MoonyTheHuman:
(0) *Tawa:
(0) *juicebox:
(0) *Imic:
Not voting: Everybody
(* denotes that the player has not yet used their personal 24 hour extension)
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(0) Boring But Practical:
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck:
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks:
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Clock King:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(0) Jumping The Shark:
Not voting: everybody
Trope in Effect: Hilarity Ensues: Each living player gains a handcrafted special Hilarity Ensues ability, distributed at random.
The day began, with the same number of players as yesterday... perhaps it would end with a different number of players, though. Perhaps.
Day 2 has begun, and will end 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time Thursday. The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
Post by: Imic on January 16, 2018, 10:38:08 am
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 16, 2018, 11:10:18 am
Also I used my Hilarity Ensues ability on Tiruin.
Post by: notquitethere on January 16, 2018, 11:15:51 am
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Kwestion for Tiwuin. I was entrusted some information about your role by BHK. Not going to reveal the name as it hints strongly at rolepowers, but it begins with the letter H (or, X, in a sense). Get it right?
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Imic
Well then. That was an interesting night.Anything to share with the rest of the class?
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RGU
I used my Hilarity Ensues ability on Tiruin.Why Tiruin? What did it do?
Post by: Imic on January 16, 2018, 11:35:41 am
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 16, 2018, 11:57:42 am
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Why Tiruin? What did it do?Hint: It's Canadian.
Post by: notquitethere on January 16, 2018, 12:11:08 pm
There was a BYOR a while back which had a load of roles named after branches of the Canadian government. Nothing to do with that?QuoteWhy Tiruin? What did it do?Hint: It's Canadian.
Post by: notquitethere on January 16, 2018, 12:14:48 pm
I was roleblocked for the entire night by someone who put a bag over my head and stuffed me into a car.If someone can confirm they blocked you, we might begin to be able to work out who performed the mafiakill by process of elimination.
Worthless Yellow Rocks should be safe. Might give us gold-related abilities.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 16, 2018, 12:18:24 pm
Also, during the night I was randomized to myself. For some reason I also learned that no one visited me (other than me).
I tried to visit Imic. Now I'm wondering how did I get randomized if no one visited me.
I think Imic might have had an ability that randomizes whoever visits him. How did he get roleblocked? Nothig of this makes sense.
Post by: Imic on January 16, 2018, 12:28:04 pm
I tried to visit Imic.To do what?
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 16, 2018, 12:37:40 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 16, 2018, 12:39:04 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 16, 2018, 01:19:00 pm
Kwestion for Tiwuin. I was entrusted some information about your role by BHK. Not going to reveal the name as it hints strongly at rolepowers, but it begins with the letter H (or, X, in a sense). Get it right?Strangely, I also got that too. He knows what I am and I am happy about what he did. :B
And yeah I got his PM, I did also receive who he suspected and wanted me to act on given his findings.
Tawarochir: Sup with your insight on BHK.
Actually WHAT THE HECK WAS ALL THAT ON BHK?! I go to sleep, I wake up (IRL), and then boom, from Maximum Spin into BHK @_@
PFP because 2am and wooo sleep
oh my god why.QuoteWhy Tiruin? What did it do?Hint: It's Canadian.
I love you.There was a BYOR a while back which had a load of roles named after branches of the Canadian government. Nothing to do with that?QuoteWhy Tiruin? What did it do?Hint: It's Canadian.
So two died, but also revived. I wonder if there is a player witha role that revives everyone that dies during the night?So the hilarity ensues thing is different hum :vc
Also I used my Hilarity Ensues ability on Tiruin.
I know because mine isn't what you gave me :I
Post by: Tiruin on January 16, 2018, 01:32:53 pm
Oh also for clarity, you're getting it NQT :V It is...fake. What I mean in writing is 'the hilarity ensues seems different because I didn't get what I had gotten from what I presume y'all are talking about there'.So two died, but also revived. I wonder if there is a player witha role that revives everyone that dies during the night?So the hilarity ensues thing is different hum :vc
Also I used my Hilarity Ensues ability on Tiruin.
I know because mine isn't what you gave me :I
And mine is a free action.
I sent FoU a query for parsing the words but he never replied, so I'm either assuming he's busy (and he'll always reply), or he chose not to reply. Anyway yeah, you take care of it.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 16, 2018, 01:49:48 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 16, 2018, 01:51:15 pm
Did everyone get a day action?No.
Post by: Tiruin on January 16, 2018, 01:58:33 pm
Yo, Maxy! Since it's the second day--how will you hunt scum?Did everyone get a day action?No.
PFP Sleep now.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 16, 2018, 02:08:52 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 16, 2018, 02:24:46 pm
Yo, Maxy! Since it's the second day--how will you hunt scum?Watching. Waiting. Whistling.
Post by: Tawa on January 16, 2018, 03:03:36 pm
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You creep over to Maximum Spin's house.
They flash blue, then purple. Well, that's interesting, and is giving you a bloody headache.
...
You learn that Maximum Spin is third party, and cult.
Tawarochir: Sup with your insight on BHK.I explained my logic. I figured that a lie detector would be too useful to the town to give up, but the fact that the shifty guy who had posted three times bandwagoned on Max told me that if BHK was scum, Max was fine.
Actually WHAT THE HECK WAS ALL THAT ON BHK?! I go to sleep, I wake up (IRL), and then boom, from Maximum Spin into BHK @_@
Unfortunately, it turned out that BHK wasn't scum, and as my detective power has told me, Max is scum and probably Imic's recruiter.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 16, 2018, 03:09:15 pm
I already told you what my role is once, very explicitly.
Post by: Silthuri on January 16, 2018, 03:11:01 pm
I kidnapped Imic last night, blocking him and preventing others from acting upon him. I was worried about cult influences which is why I picked him. I don't know why RGN got randomized to himself, but it had nothing to do with my ability and probably not Imic because 1. I targeted him just fine and 2. My action removed him from the game for the night.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 16, 2018, 03:17:40 pm
I claim detective. Maximum Spin, you're a filthy cultist:I guess I was right when I suspected that Max was the cultist.QuoteYou creep over to Maximum Spin's house.
They flash blue, then purple. Well, that's interesting, and is giving you a bloody headache.
...
You learn that Maximum Spin is third party, and cult.Tawarochir: Sup with your insight on BHK.I explained my logic. I figured that a lie detector would be too useful to the town to give up, but the fact that the shifty guy who had posted three times bandwagoned on Max told me that if BHK was scum, Max was fine.
Actually WHAT THE HECK WAS ALL THAT ON BHK?! I go to sleep, I wake up (IRL), and then boom, from Maximum Spin into BHK @_@
Unfortunately, it turned out that BHK wasn't scum, and as my detective power has told me, Max is scum and probably Imic's recruiter.
Macimum Spin. We should have lynched him yesterday.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 16, 2018, 03:19:13 pm
PfpMaybe since he was out of the game I had to visit someone else, but ended randomly visiting me?
I kidnapped Imic last night, blocking him and preventing others from acting upon him. I was worried about cult influences which is why I picked him. I don't know why RGN got randomized to himself, but it had nothing to do with my ability and probably not Imic because 1. I targeted him just fine and 2. My action removed him from the game for the night.
Post by: Imic on January 16, 2018, 03:21:53 pm
PfpThanks, although I didn't get to use my role detection thingumajig.
I kidnapped Imic last night, blocking him and preventing others from acting upon him. I was worried about cult influences which is why I picked him. I don't know why RGN got randomized to himself, but it had nothing to do with my ability and probably not Imic because 1. I targeted him just fine and 2. My action removed him from the game for the night.
Post by: Tawa on January 16, 2018, 04:20:35 pm
I'm not a cultist. However, I did know that I would alignment-inspect as cult. :(You can be a lie detector and a cultist, you know. And I don't buy the align-inspect as cult. You were involved in this business yesterday! You could have told us then!
I already told you what my role is once, very explicitly.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 16, 2018, 04:33:26 pm
You can be a lie detector and a cultist, you know. And I don't buy the align-inspect as cult. You were involved in this business yesterday! You could have told us then!Need-to-know basis! I was just trying to play my role straight, okay.
Post by: juicebox on January 16, 2018, 06:26:41 pm
Imic: Is there any reason to believe that you're not the cult leader?
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 16, 2018, 06:42:28 pm
Maximum Spin
Also going to put my trope vote on Time Master because I love time shenanigans.
Post by: Tawa on January 16, 2018, 07:31:04 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 16, 2018, 09:16:56 pm
juicebox and randomgenericusername: why did both of you guys immediately follow my lead? I mean, I'm glad that people believe me, but I must admit it seems kind of strange both of you bandwagoned without asking any questions.I still have the same reasons from before + your report, which only confirms my reasons. I would probably still have voted for him, report or no report. I did keep my vote on him from most of day 1 and only changed it to secure the lynch (which was a mistake, but it was still better to a tie).
Post by: Tiruin on January 16, 2018, 09:47:38 pm
I'm not a cultist. However, I did know that I would alignment-inspect as cult. :(You never mentioned this? :V Or am I forgetting?
I already told you what my role is once, very explicitly.
PFP reading up
Post by: Tiruin on January 16, 2018, 09:57:47 pm
Huh, okay? BHK suggested you as someone of significance to me though. Although his purpose was...seemingly personal instead, rather than anything mechanical. >_>Tawarochir: Sup with your insight on BHK.I explained my logic. I figured that a lie detector would be too useful to the town to give up, but the fact that the shifty guy who had posted three times bandwagoned on Max told me that if BHK was scum, Max was fine.
Actually WHAT THE HECK WAS ALL THAT ON BHK?! I go to sleep, I wake up (IRL), and then boom, from Maximum Spin into BHK @_@
Unfortunately, it turned out that BHK wasn't scum, and as my detective power has told me, Max is scum and probably Imic's recruiter.
PfpYou strangely misspelled 'jail' :P (ok how does 'kidnap' differ from the Jailer role/ability?)
I kidnapped Imic last night, blocking him and preventing others from acting upon him. I was worried about cult influences which is why I picked him. I don't know why RGN got randomized to himself, but it had nothing to do with my ability and probably not Imic because 1. I targeted him just fine and 2. My action removed him from the game for the night.
Because that was my first impression until I re-read you wrote kidnap.
Which is my flavor in N0. :B
Or at least, how the flavor goes, in being kidnapped...
Well at least I'm verifying you out here and Imic! :vc
Also confirming (at least by what I did N1, no NQT it's not what you know :v) that you didn't randomize because I visited my target without being randomized.
I guess I was right when I suspected that Max was the cultist.MUCH LIKE MY MANY QUERIES, THIS ONE GOES UNANSWERED.
Macimum Spin. We should have lynched him yesterday.
(Everyone, especially those who SHIFT VOTED) WHY THE HECK DID PEOPLE JUMP ONTO BHK?!
This isn't how the mechanic works in any game. :P Even if the player is absent, but the player slot is open for replacement or not-being-killed-by-the-GM, any targets targeting this player/slot will target that and anything else is an external influence in game.PfpMaybe since he was out of the game I had to visit someone else, but ended randomly visiting me?
I kidnapped Imic last night, blocking him and preventing others from acting upon him. I was worried about cult influences which is why I picked him. I don't know why RGN got randomized to himself, but it had nothing to do with my ability and probably not Imic because 1. I targeted him just fine and 2. My action removed him from the game for the night.
You could do the same by claiming though :-\ People who are millers, do that. But scum can do that too--but usually the earlier you claim, the better, because contextually, that gives a lot of time for people who have powers to do stuff with it for verification and, as an implication, forwards your wincondition rather than allowing it to be silent and then letting the daygame heat or suspicion be the one to bias targets (or otherwise, like random targeting or targeting on a whim) to hit you.You can be a lie detector and a cultist, you know. And I don't buy the align-inspect as cult. You were involved in this business yesterday! You could have told us then!Need-to-know basis! I was just trying to play my role straight, okay.
Query: Would you have claimed that align-inspect later on even if not caught in the act? Why?
I forgot to bold my vote.Yo, I just discovered, for my Hilarity Ensues. It is a FAKE action for me (meaning whoever receives the spud will not be affected by its power, and perhaps its 'this statement is false' statement is only meant for me because it has the 'fake' label on it appended, much like merchandise and 'this side fragile' boxes), and it is only a free action for the receiver but not for me.
Maximum Spin
Also going to put my trope vote on Time Master because I love time shenanigans.
I'm going to use it as a tool for later on in better days because I don't think people know what it is. :B
...Why ain't people voting Boring but Practical?
Everyone: Thoughts or votes on the tropes as of now?
Post by: Silthuri on January 16, 2018, 10:11:47 pm
I said kidnap because that's part of the flavor in my pm last night. I tied him up and dumped him in the woods before dumping him back home. More like kidnapping than jailing. But it is essentially a jail power, but I'm "removing him from the game" which may or may not hold significance. I don't know yet.
Correct me if my tired mind is wrong, but are you saying that you think I targeted you N0? Because I didn't. If you were kidnapped, it wasn't me.
As for voting BHK last minute, I was intending to vote for him to break the tie when I was ninja'd by NQT who broke the tie. Instead of tossing my post away, I posted it anyway with the goal of furthering the gap between the tie to ensure a lynch. I did not expect 2(?) more people to bandwagon after me.
As for tropes, I really wanna vote for the one I submitted just to see what happens, but I'll ponder them a bit more before caring on one I think.
Post by: juicebox on January 16, 2018, 10:49:29 pm
juicebox and randomgenericusername: why did both of you guys immediately follow my lead? I mean, I'm glad that people believe me, but I must admit it seems kind of strange both of you bandwagoned without asking any questions.
Because I already suspected that Maximum Spin was a cultist, and your confirmation was really all I needed to vote him. You don't appear to be fakeclaiming, so I think it's a safe bet to go ahead and lynch him.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 16, 2018, 10:56:51 pm
So what the hell is going on
Post by: kingawsume on January 16, 2018, 10:57:53 pm
My Hilarity Ensues is a day action that gives something. Did everyone get a day action?Kinda, it's on auto, and mine actually sucks, especally for my role; all action require a cycle to take effect (eg. a night ability used on n3 not actually happening until n4, or day ability d2 not happening until d3, ect.)
Damnit tropes, why you have to dick me over? I help people, ffs! :reeeeeeeeeee:
Post by: kingawsume on January 16, 2018, 10:59:41 pm
I'll Shiny Yellow Rocks, maybe it'll counteract my detrimental trope ability.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 16, 2018, 11:03:00 pm
Back to skimming.
Post by: Tiruin on January 16, 2018, 11:49:49 pm
Because it's the SAME PEOPLE WHO HAMMERED or are annoyingly pushing it close instead of letting the day be open for discussion. Unvote by the way.
10 people.
6 to hammer I bet.
1 on Max (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669502#msg7669502); 2 on Max (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669519#msg7669519); 3 on Max (RGU bolded his) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669691#msg7669691); 4 on Max (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669889#msg7669889)
Like seriously guys. We have a bloody DAY.
FoU can you put this information in public please?
NQT: I just noticed something upon realization and noticing the votecount. :v Thanks for the silly boop. :B (dat injoke dough, I'm blaming this silliness on you, RGU)
Worthless Yellow Rocks, ho!
EBWOP: Also, hey I was right, Maximum Spin, for sus yesterday and cult detect today.Are you aiming to hammer him? or is he a big target that you flinched and voted right out?
I'll Shiny Yellow Rocks, maybe it'll counteract my detrimental trope ability.
OTHER than him, who else do YOU suspect?juicebox and randomgenericusername: why did both of you guys immediately follow my lead? I mean, I'm glad that people believe me, but I must admit it seems kind of strange both of you bandwagoned without asking any questions.
Because I already suspected that Maximum Spin was a cultist, and your confirmation was really all I needed to vote him. You don't appear to be fakeclaiming, so I think it's a safe bet to go ahead and lynch him.
You and a few others have been pretty tunnel-y at present I'm noting. Tunnel-y in the sense that it seems there's only follow up to earlier reads. I'm wondering if, regarding the cultist case--there's any notice or mention or CONNECTION of what's being said NOW to what's being said BEFORE.
Like Max being the one to FOLLOW UP AND CONFIRM Imic's note of Cultist'yness. Does that not strike you as strange?
Tawarochir: Thoughts?
Deez votes be piling up like touching a hot oven; REACTIONARY FLINCHING.
Post by: kingawsume on January 17, 2018, 12:20:38 am
Quote from: Tirun
Are you aiming to hammer him? or is he a big target that you flinched and voted right out?Oh shit, there's already 4 votes. I flinched (I guess you could call it that) voted, after the callout and what I read as a cultist confirm for the man himself. I'll Unvote myself. Day's end I'll revote.
Post by: Tiruin on January 17, 2018, 12:29:19 am
So out of all 'shifty guys', you picked the guy who voted with conviction in his singular posts, was already consistently claiming to have hammered (but then FoU got sick so :V), and saw BHK's actions as 'bandwagoning'.Tawarochir: Sup with your insight on BHK.I explained my logic. I figured that a lie detector would be too useful to the town to give up, but the fact that the shifty guy who had posted three times bandwagoned on Max told me that if BHK was scum, Max was fine.
Actually WHAT THE HECK WAS ALL THAT ON BHK?! I go to sleep, I wake up (IRL), and then boom, from Maximum Spin into BHK @_@
Unfortunately, it turned out that BHK wasn't scum, and as my detective power has told me, Max is scum and probably Imic's recruiter.
...Did you think about his activity streak in between then and now? And what about the rest of everyone else in between shifting your vote from Max to others, alongside WHY claim Detective (...Cop?)?
Uhh, 'confirm for the man'? ._.Quote from: TirunAre you aiming to hammer him? or is he a big target that you flinched and voted right out?Oh shit, there's already 4 votes. I flinched (I guess you could call it that) voted, after the callout and what I read as a cultist confirm for the man himself. I'll Unvote myself. Day's end I'll revote.
Post by: Imic on January 17, 2018, 01:43:54 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 17, 2018, 01:56:06 am
I am not a cult leader. Why would I mention that one existed, and that I was contected by it, and asked if I wanted to join, if I was the leader? It'd be stupid.Yes I mean Max confirmed it. It'd be weird, at least for me, and extremely risky, for a cultist or cult leader to out and confirm someone else on what sounds like wholly unconventional abilities. :P
At least, that's how it sounds to me. I have no recollection of what a Lie Detector or something, does.
Post by: juicebox on January 17, 2018, 02:01:01 am
juicebox and randomgenericusername: why did both of you guys immediately follow my lead? I mean, I'm glad that people believe me, but I must admit it seems kind of strange both of you bandwagoned without asking any questions.
Because I already suspected that Maximum Spin was a cultist, and your confirmation was really all I needed to vote him. You don't appear to be fakeclaiming, so I think it's a safe bet to go ahead and lynch him.
Besides Maximum Spin, I find Imic suspicious, because he's also mixed up in this cultist business. I'm also suspicious of RGU, who has hopped on the bandwagon two days in a row now.
Post by: Silthuri on January 17, 2018, 02:07:13 am
Correct me if my tired mind is wrong, but are you saying that you think I targeted you N0? Because I didn't. If you were kidnapped, it wasn't me.
Apologies for not bolding your name to highlight importance, but i require clarification on this.
Post by: kingawsume on January 17, 2018, 02:52:42 am
Quote from: Tiru
Uhh, 'confirm for the man'? ._.PFP'd, must not've checked my spelling. The line was supposed to be "from the man himself."
Post by: Tiruin on January 17, 2018, 03:47:38 am
TiruinAhh, nope >_> I understand that it isn't you then. I mean I thought so, because the roleblock was flavored as a kidnapping (chloroform stuff).Correct me if my tired mind is wrong, but are you saying that you think I targeted you N0? Because I didn't. If you were kidnapped, it wasn't me.
Apologies for not bolding your name to highlight importance, but i require clarification on this.
Post by: notquitethere on January 17, 2018, 05:44:50 am
(Maybe, on second thoughts, less shenanigans might be clearer for town.)
Maximum Spin, if your inspect comes up as cultist, then why didn't you claim that before, as is the norm for millers? If you're not a cultist (seems unlikely given Tawa's inspection) then you might as well fullclaim, as it's almost certain you're hanging today.
Queen Tiruin,
...Why ain't people voting Boring but Practical?I think Boring is probably the way to go.
Everyone: Thoughts or votes on the tropes as of now?
MoonyTheHuman, why did you choose to kill me last night? Think before you try and deny it.
RGU, I might have missed it, but how did you know you'd been redirected to yourself?
Post by: Imic on January 17, 2018, 06:11:51 am
Boring but practical
I think that it makes sense to take this one up.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 17, 2018, 09:10:46 am
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Everyone, especially those who SHIFT VOTED) WHY THE HECK DID PEOPLE JUMP ONTO BHK?!I just did because the votes on Maximum Spin and BHK had similar numbers and I was worried that a tie could happen. Since everyone was already going to vote BHK, I took my vote off Maximum to avoid the tie and have the lynch. As I have said before, it's way better to lynch, get information from the flips and from who voted and who didn't instead of just abstaining and giving mafia a free night to kill. The lynch is the main weapon of town and it's better to have a chance to kill a mafia than no chance at all.
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RGU, I might have missed it, but how did you know you'd been redirected to yourself?I got a PM with the results of my night action and it said something like: "You were randomized to yourself". Then I learned that I visited myself. ::)
Re: tunneling and bandwagoning: I was going to vote before the others yesterday, but when I was going to post I got the warning of new posts, so I ended just editing and still posting the vote. I didn't coung the votes and still thought we were near tie, which made me worried.
Also, I trust the investigator claim because mafia wouldn't do that. If Max is lynched and he doesn't flip cult, we will instantly know who to lynch next. Mafia wouldn't risk one of their members to take a single town member.
I mean, was anyone not suspicious of him?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 17, 2018, 10:00:08 am
FoU can you put this information in public please?I'm not sure what information you mean, but day ends 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time Thursday, and the day's communal extension has not been used. Everyone still has their personal extension.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 17, 2018, 10:20:51 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 17, 2018, 11:05:29 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 17, 2018, 11:37:59 am
Max, you're a dead man walking. Why not full claim your night actions?I didn't make any. I didn't even get any cool abilities from the Hilarity Ensues, just an admittedly useful revival auto.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 17, 2018, 11:42:59 am
So now you also claim a revival auto you forgot to mention before to try to avoid being lynched? Seems awfully conventient, just like that other part of your role that makes you show up as cult in investigations.Max, you're a dead man walking. Why not full claim your night actions?I didn't make any. I didn't even get any cool abilities from the Hilarity Ensues, just an admittedly useful revival auto.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 17, 2018, 11:49:24 am
So now you also claim a revival auto you forgot to mention before to try to avoid being lynched? Seems awfully conventient, just like that other part of your role that makes you show up as cult in investigations....I... no? I just got it this night. When would I have mentioned it before to forget?
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 17, 2018, 11:53:37 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 17, 2018, 12:03:54 pm
The only way they'd falsely show up as cult on inspection would be if they were given a weakness for submitting two tropes. However:
I did not submit 2 articles! I barely know enough about tvtropes to submit one.
Their role is Cthulhu:
I already told you what my role is once, very explicitly.
That is because I am cthulhu.
Cthulhu has cultists.
Post by: Tiruin on January 17, 2018, 12:11:09 pm
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Query: Would you have claimed that align-inspect later on even if not caught in the act? Why?But given what he said D1 (theme of playing his role straight), I'm curious on another part.
So N1 and N0, you did nothing?Max, you're a dead man walking. Why not full claim your night actions?I didn't make any. I didn't even get any cool abilities from the Hilarity Ensues, just an admittedly useful revival auto.
Also a revive isn't 'cool'?
Do you have suspects or other ideas to give out? Because if you have an "admittedly useful revival auto", it hurts the Town if you get lynched. That is, if you're Town. :v
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 17, 2018, 12:23:21 pm
Probably not until someone tripped it, no. Wouldn't fit my role. Also I didn't even see that question.QuoteQuery: Would you have claimed that align-inspect later on even if not caught in the act? Why?
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So N1 and N0, you did nothing?Nope
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Also a revive isn't 'cool'?Nah. It's more, though, that an auto isn't 'cool' because it doesn't give me anything to do. It may be useful, but it doesn't alter gameplay for me, so it's basically a nonthing.
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Do you have suspects or other ideas to give out? Because if you have an "admittedly useful revival auto", it hurts the Town if you get lynched. That is, if you're Town. :vFollow the activity patterns!
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 17, 2018, 12:25:42 pm
I can believe Max has a revive. Explains why they're being cool as a cucumber when they're about to be lynched.This confirms his cult status even more than before, so we really need to lynch him.
The only way they'd falsely show up as cult on inspection would be if they were given a weakness for submitting two tropes. However:I did not submit 2 articles! I barely know enough about tvtropes to submit one.
Their role is Cthulhu:I already told you what my role is once, very explicitly.That is because I am cthulhu.
Cthulhu has cultists.
There were 2 kills night 1. We can hope that if he revives either a vigilante or mafia re-kills him to avoid having more possible cultists.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 17, 2018, 12:32:23 pm
The only way they'd falsely show up as cult on inspection[...]Cthulhu has cultists.But is Cthulhu a cultist? Is Cthulhu in a cult? I don't recall that in any of the stories.
Post by: notquitethere on January 17, 2018, 12:37:05 pm
But is Cthulhu a cultist? Is Cthulhu in a cult? I don't recall that in any of the stories.No, but Cthulhu has cultists and you were inspected as a cultist. I don't necessarily expect mechanics and flavour to sync entirely here.
More to the point: if not you, then who should we lynch? Because right now I can only conclude from your actions that you want to be lynched today.
Post by: notquitethere on January 17, 2018, 12:39:25 pm
So everyone else: who's your #2 pick for scum today? Mine is Moony, as I have good reason to believe they killed me last night.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 17, 2018, 12:40:07 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 17, 2018, 12:40:36 pm
The only way they'd falsely show up as cult on inspection would be if they were given a weakness for submitting two tropes.Players may receive weaknesses even if they submit only one trope.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 17, 2018, 01:01:05 pm
But if this cult works as I think it does, then cultists die with their cult leader, right?Can confidently promise it does not! :D
Post by: Imic on January 17, 2018, 01:37:30 pm
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 17, 2018, 03:17:24 pm
MoonyTheHuman, why did you choose to kill me last night? Think before you try and deny it.I dunno. That was last guy's decision. I had no role in the kill. However, the kill WAS accidental. The previous guy did not intend to kill you. Glad you're alive, otherwise vilteam would be even more fucked.
Post by: Imic on January 17, 2018, 03:33:15 pm
Requesting a vote count please.WatMoonyTheHuman, why did you choose to kill me last night? Think before you try and deny it.I dunno. That was last guy's decision. I had no role in the kill. However, the kill WAS accidental. The previous guy did not intend to kill you. Glad you're alive, otherwise vilteam would be even more fucked.
Post by: kingawsume on January 17, 2018, 03:47:53 pm
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 17, 2018, 03:52:01 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 17, 2018, 07:50:42 pm
(3) *Maximum Spin: Tawa, juicebox, randomgenericusername
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) *Tiruin:
(0) *Silthuri:
(0) *randomgenericusername:
(1) *MoonyTheHuman: notquitethere
(0) *Tawa:
(0) *juicebox:
(0) *Imic:
Not voting: kingawsume, Tiruin, Silthuri, MoonyTheHuman, Imic, Maximum Spin
(* denotes that the player has not yet used their personal 24 hour extension)
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(2) Boring But Practical: notquitethere, Imic
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck:
(3) Worthless Yellow Rocks: kingawsume, Tiruin, Maximum Spin
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Clock King:
(1) Time Master: randomgenericusername
(0) Red Herring:
(0) Jumping The Shark:
Not voting: Silthuri, juicebox, Tawa, MoonyTheHuman
Trope in Effect: Hilarity Ensues: Each living player gains a handcrafted special Hilarity Ensues ability, distributed at random.
Day 2 will end 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time Thursday, tomorrow. The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
((Please notify me if you believe I made a votecount mistake.))
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 17, 2018, 08:05:39 pm
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 17, 2018, 08:10:30 pm
juicebox
Please explain.
Worthless Yellow Rocks because why not. It's gold!
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 17, 2018, 08:15:49 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 17, 2018, 08:24:48 pm
If juicebox is town, I believe I know who the mafia are.Who? Please say it, we are probably still going to lynch you and if you flip town this info could be useful tomorrow.
Post by: Imic on January 18, 2018, 02:14:29 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 18, 2018, 03:13:20 am
Max
Could you be more clearer, or at least follow up who you were vaguely scumhunting yesterday, today, or recently?
Also last post I saw was my own; seems a ton more posts flooded in. Will get back after this whole day of busyness.
Boring but Practical.
Those worthless rocks can go for later AFTER this.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 18, 2018, 09:12:45 am
Can't leave anything out of the realms of possibility in a trope based game.
The rocks may be useless, but that means they're safe.
Post by: juicebox on January 18, 2018, 09:21:23 am
If juicebox is town, I believe I know who the mafia are.Who? Please say it, we are probably still going to lynch you and if you flip town this info could be useful tomorrow.
Yes Max, please elaborate. I'd like to know what your theory is before possibly getting lynched over it
Post by: Tiruin on January 18, 2018, 09:31:40 am
So everyone else: who's your #2 pick for scum today? Mine is Moony, as I have good reason to believe they killed me last night.I'm looking at Moony's interactions, and at the start he's all 'ok what do .-.;' which seems believable...
Requesting a vote count please.But fun stuff. In all my Mafia game knowledge--a replacement ONLY replaces in on Mod confirmation. Moony seemed to replace after the night, validating his note on you :vMoonyTheHuman, why did you choose to kill me last night? Think before you try and deny it.I dunno. That was last guy's decision. I had no role in the kill. However, the kill WAS accidental. The previous guy did not intend to kill you. Glad you're alive, otherwise vilteam would be even more fucked.
Now what's this vilteam you speak of?
And how can someone NOT INTEND to kill a guy when they explicitly PM the mod, "KILL {THIS NAME HERE}" or something :V
But in all seriousness, I've got town-leaning reads on RGU and Tawa, king and the rest I'll detail tomorrow if I can (hallo 13 hour busyday :v), since day ends in my Saturday anyway.
Quote from: With memory that there is a cult in game, it isn't the binary town/scum slider of scumminess/leaningness now
(0) *Maximum Spin -- pretty much got cultist'd by Tawa. Claimed he's a lie detector [of which I still have no idea on what that does, since nobody detailed anything]; claimed he has scummy suspects; claimed many things indirectly. :P Claimed he has an auto revive; claimed to be miller-cultist.
(0) *notquitethere -- got BHK'd like me, and given BHK's details (he PM'd me too), I'm willing to believe more in his town-sidedness given how he's been acting all this game.
(0) *kingawsume -- same with RGU, must read up more on. I recall he's connected with several people by interaction though, before.
(0) *Tiruin -- Hi I'm Tiruin.
(0) *Silthuri -- She kidnapped Imic last night; noting that there were 2 kills last night and one is from Gigla, Gigla got boop'd on the nose. This makes Imic seem more town-sided because he got 'cult talked'. I've no idea if Mafia can be cult-converted as this is a BYOR game. Unless they're tied together or whatever, she's confirming non-cult.
(0) *randomgenericusername -- he hilarity'd me. leaning neutral till I read more.
(0) *MoonyTheHuman -- Was GigaGiant, I looked nicely upon GigaGiant before.
(0) *Tawa -- Claimed Detective (...Cop sounds a lot better :v) on Maximum Spin, D2. Really willing to believe he's town, or he's driving a hard bargain at this point. Or is cult leader. :V
(0) *juicebox -- He's my #2 after Maximum, as an answer to NQT's query. Seems to have3four posts because I got PPE'd, and all seem to not be proactive? 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669691#msg7669691); 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669880#msg7669880); 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669977#msg7669977); 4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7671095#msg7671095)
(0) *Imic -- See: Silthuri.
juicebox: Before Tawa's post (leading to your first post)--did you have ANYONE in mind or what your first post would've been?
I dunno, hilarity ensues doesn't seem to have done much, I don't think Boring but Practical is going to swing the game much in anybody's favor.I'd like to know basically everything you got to help your team :P You're pretty much on the chopping block here, Max. :-\ But I digress.If juicebox is town, I believe I know who the mafia are.Who? Please say it, we are probably still going to lynch you and if you flip town this info could be useful tomorrow.
Yes Max, please elaborate. I'd like to know what your theory is before possibly getting lynched over it
Tawa: What do you think regarding Max' claim of Auto Revive?
Post by: Tiruin on January 18, 2018, 09:35:10 am
I'm somewhat worried Boring But Practical may backfire; It may be practical for the Mafia not us.
Can't leave anything out of the realms of possibility in a trope based game.
The rocks may be useless, but that means they're safe.
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« Last Edit: Today at 09:15:36 am by MoonyTheHuman »Ayyy :v
Be glad I nearly forgot that I was posting from 2 tabs with this one saving your ORIGINAL POST here.
I'm somewhat worried Boring But Practical may backfire; It may be practical for the Mafia not us.Trope-sided-faction-stuff isn't what I'm predicting y'know. :P Because that's pretty weird to assume.
Can't leave anything out of the realms of possibility in a trope based game.
I mean how can that be practical 'for the Mafia' in anycase? Town > Mafia, always. If otherwise, game = lost.
Also now with that edit, I'm finding that idea being persuasive, although I find that the earlier it is unleashed, the better. We're facing BOTH cult and Mafia here. V:
Post by: Imic on January 18, 2018, 09:37:26 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 18, 2018, 09:41:20 am
We could be facing a lot of third - parties here.Statements like these do not help my uncertainty that you're actually cult, y'know. :v
...Was there a reason for this or are you thinking out loud?
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 18, 2018, 09:43:16 am
Sadly, He got unlucky and got the kill result.
I'm somewhat worried Boring But Practical may backfire; It may be practical for the Mafia not us.
Can't leave anything out of the realms of possibility in a trope based game.
The rocks may be useless, but that means they're safe.Quote« Last Edit: Today at 09:15:36 am by MoonyTheHuman »Ayyy :v
Be glad I nearly forgot that I was posting from 2 tabs with this one saving your ORIGINAL POST here.I'm somewhat worried Boring But Practical may backfire; It may be practical for the Mafia not us.Trope-sided-faction-stuff isn't what I'm predicting y'know. :P Because that's pretty weird to assume.
Can't leave anything out of the realms of possibility in a trope based game.
I mean how can that be practical 'for the Mafia' in anycase? Town > Mafia, always. If otherwise, game = lost.
Also now with that edit, I'm finding that idea being persuasive, although I find that the earlier it is unleashed, the better. We're facing BOTH cult and Mafia here. V:
Vilteam as in Town. I normally play the Werewolf variation of Mafia, so expect lingo and terms from Werewolf, alongside a slightly different mindset (I play on the ##werewolf IRC channel on Freenode, which is fast paced and has variable rules and roles, but is still fairly predictable due to it being ran by a bot)
And thats a good point, forgot about that while making my decision. I see the point here. Boring But Practical
We could be facing a lot of third - parties here.Statements like these do not help my uncertainty that you're actually cult, y'know. :v
...Was there a reason for this or are you thinking out loud?
I don't think he's wrong, just so you know. This game has no master role list or something like that, we are entirely in the unknown on the possibilities.
Post by: Imic on January 18, 2018, 09:55:10 am
This is a BYOR, I'm extremely worried that we're going to have to kill half the players off if the town's to win, since I would not be surprised if a lot of people took up third party roles, if not actually mafia ones.We could be facing a lot of third - parties here.Statements like these do not help my uncertainty that you're actually cult, y'know. :v
...Was there a reason for this or are you thinking out loud?
Post by: Tiruin on January 18, 2018, 10:00:15 am
Hum! :vcThis is a BYOR, I'm extremely worried that we're going to have to kill half the players off if the town's to win, since I would not be surprised if a lot of people took up third party roles, if not actually mafia ones.We could be facing a lot of third - parties here.Statements like these do not help my uncertainty that you're actually cult, y'know. :v
...Was there a reason for this or are you thinking out loud?
If that's your reasoning, I am fairly sure it's not the case. Otherwise: Is that the reasoning you've had ever since?! Anyway:
FallacyOfUrist: Does the role submission before anything affect anything? Like, for example--I was to not necessarily submit 'vigilante', but 'hitman', would that have affected anything on your part in determining other role characteristics such as abilities or alignment?
Post by: Imic on January 18, 2018, 10:03:45 am
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 18, 2018, 10:05:57 am
I'm just paranoid since this is a BYOR.I don't blame Imic for being paranoid. I'm just as paranoid as him (if not more), due to this being my first ever BYOR game.
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 18, 2018, 11:25:12 am
Post by: kingawsume on January 18, 2018, 11:25:58 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 18, 2018, 11:27:53 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 18, 2018, 11:57:19 am
I think our best bet is still to lynch Max today. The fact that Imic says there was a cultist, and Max has been inspected as a cultist shouldn't be ignore and Max isn't exactly offering an alternative case to the town. I'm happy to go ahead and hammer now unless anyone else has questions they need to get through. As ever, mafia is a game and games shouldn't drag on longer than they need to.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 18, 2018, 12:06:46 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 18, 2018, 12:17:06 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 18, 2018, 12:30:37 pm
FallacyOfUrist: Does the role submission before anything affect anything? Like, for example--I was to not necessarily submit 'vigilante', but 'hitman', would that have affected anything on your part in determining other role characteristics such as abilities or alignment?Base alignment(town, mafia, third party) is determined at random, and in the event of third party, specific type(cult, outsider, serial killer, doomsayer, gourmet chef, watcher, lyncher, etc) is determined based on role name.
Abilities are determined based off of role name submission. Vigilante and hitman would receive different abilities.
Post by: kingawsume on January 18, 2018, 12:35:49 pm
Post by: kingawsume on January 18, 2018, 12:37:23 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on January 18, 2018, 12:37:54 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 18, 2018, 12:40:10 pm
Post by: Imic on January 18, 2018, 01:55:16 pm
Comedy, people.
Post by: notquitethere on January 18, 2018, 02:28:33 pm
I'm not going to vote, since I don't want to be held accountable for anything that happens next.This is ominous. What's going to happen next?
Comedy, people.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 18, 2018, 02:48:33 pm
Imic mind speaking up?
We're listening.
Post by: juicebox on January 18, 2018, 03:11:14 pm
So everyone else: who's your #2 pick for scum today? Mine is Moony, as I have good reason to believe they killed me last night.I'm looking at Moony's interactions, and at the start he's all 'ok what do .-.;' which seems believable...Requesting a vote count please.But fun stuff. In all my Mafia game knowledge--a replacement ONLY replaces in on Mod confirmation. Moony seemed to replace after the night, validating his note on you :vMoonyTheHuman, why did you choose to kill me last night? Think before you try and deny it.I dunno. That was last guy's decision. I had no role in the kill. However, the kill WAS accidental. The previous guy did not intend to kill you. Glad you're alive, otherwise vilteam would be even more fucked.
Now what's this vilteam you speak of?
And how can someone NOT INTEND to kill a guy when they explicitly PM the mod, "KILL {THIS NAME HERE}" or something :VI would say my second pick is RGU because he made me Canadian until I learned it was part of Hilarity Ensues and people got a laugh out of it I bet :v
But in all seriousness, I've got town-leaning reads on RGU and Tawa, king and the rest I'll detail tomorrow if I can (hallo 13 hour busyday :v), since day ends in my Saturday anyway.Quote from: With memory that there is a cult in game, it isn't the binary town/scum slider of scumminess/leaningness now(0) *Maximum Spin -- pretty much got cultist'd by Tawa. Claimed he's a lie detector [of which I still have no idea on what that does, since nobody detailed anything]; claimed he has scummy suspects; claimed many things indirectly. :P Claimed he has an auto revive; claimed to be miller-cultist.
(0) *notquitethere -- got BHK'd like me, and given BHK's details (he PM'd me too), I'm willing to believe more in his town-sidedness given how he's been acting all this game.
(0) *kingawsume -- same with RGU, must read up more on. I recall he's connected with several people by interaction though, before.
(0) *Tiruin -- Hi I'm Tiruin.
(0) *Silthuri -- She kidnapped Imic last night; noting that there were 2 kills last night and one is from Gigla, Gigla got boop'd on the nose. This makes Imic seem more town-sided because he got 'cult talked'. I've no idea if Mafia can be cult-converted as this is a BYOR game. Unless they're tied together or whatever, she's confirming non-cult.
(0) *randomgenericusername -- he hilarity'd me. leaning neutral till I read more.
(0) *MoonyTheHuman -- Was GigaGiant, I looked nicely upon GigaGiant before.
(0) *Tawa -- Claimed Detective (...Cop sounds a lot better :v) on Maximum Spin, D2. Really willing to believe he's town, or he's driving a hard bargain at this point. Or is cult leader. :V
(0) *juicebox -- He's my #2 after Maximum, as an answer to NQT's query. Seems to have3four posts because I got PPE'd, and all seem to not be proactive? 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669691#msg7669691); 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669880#msg7669880); 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669977#msg7669977); 4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7671095#msg7671095)
(0) *Imic -- See: Silthuri.
juicebox: Before Tawa's post (leading to your first post)--did you have ANYONE in mind or what your first post would've been?
I didn't check the forum before Tawa's first post, but I guess I would have grilled either Imic or RGU, since they were the most suspicious to me looking back on Day 1.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 18, 2018, 04:05:13 pm
I didn't check the forum before Tawa's first post, but I guess I would have grilled either Imic or RGU, since they were the most suspicious to me looking back on Day 1.Is it wrong if I ask why? I kinda want to know why I'm so suspicious. I'm clueless.
Post by: Silthuri on January 18, 2018, 04:48:00 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 18, 2018, 04:56:01 pm
Also, everyone should assume im posting from phone unless I say otherwise.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 18, 2018, 05:29:41 pm
I'll agree to hammer Max. He really hasn't offered any other alternatives, beside us (appearently) wasting the lynch on somebody with auto revive (I call bs.) This also brings Day 2 to an end, if I'm counting correctly.Stop. Hammertime. I think.
Votecount:
(6) *Maximum Spin: Tawa, juicebox, randomgenericusername, notquitethere, MoonyTheHuman, kingawsume
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) *Tiruin:
(0) *Silthuri:
(0) *randomgenericusername:
(0) *MoonyTheHuman:
(0) *Tawa:
(1) *juicebox: Maximum Spin
(0) *Imic:
Not voting: Tiruin, Silthuri, Imic
(* denotes that the player has not yet used their personal 24 hour extension)
In the end, it was decided that Maximum Spin needed to die. A cult could not be allowed to grow! The L.Y.N.C.H. hummed, and then a large boat fell out of the sky and crushed Spin. The resulting corpse made everyone rest easy until they started getting headaches.
Maximum Spin was Cthulhu(town).
(Auto, Innate): Incomprehensible Eldritch Abomination: When you die for the first time, your alignment flips but your role does not flip aside from this auto. Information on your role abilities other than information about this ability can only be learned firsthand. Your alignment cannot be changed. Certain abilities may treat you as being mafia. You alignment inspect as cult. You have access to your cult chat, and may continue to post in it while dead. Any player who uses an investigative action on you during the night will have their target(s) changed to a random player next night.
In the end, Spin's death revealed nothing but his innocence and a whole load of headaches.
((I'd like to preemptively note that I won't be falsifying roleflips in this game, though I may obscure or redact them. That is Spin's alignment, period.))
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(6) Boring But Practical: notquitethere, Imic, Tiruin, juicebox, MoonyTheHuman, kingawsume
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck:
(1) Worthless Yellow Rocks: Tiruin
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Clock King:
(1) Time Master: randomgenericusername
(0) Red Herring:
(0) Jumping The Shark:
Not voting: Silthuri, Tawa
With regards to the tropes, it was decided to introduce the power of Boring, But Practical.
Trope: Boring But Practical: Non-shotted actions cannot be blocked or have their targets changed.
The simpler abilities hummed with power within their users. They would not be thwarted or redirected! Probably.
Mod error note: Day would have ended Friday if not for hammer, not Thursday. 72 hour days, not 48 hour days.
It is now Night 2. Night 2 will end 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time Monday, or when I have all actions. Send them in!
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 22, 2018, 09:08:34 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 23, 2018, 01:05:52 pm
"Oh come on! Nobody died!"
A moment later, there were 9 people. 9 players. 0 Null Nevermores. Null left in frustration.
Votecount:
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) *Tiruin:
(0) *Silthuri:
(0) *randomgenericusername:
(0) *MoonyTheHuman:
(0) *Tawa:
(0) *juicebox:
(0) *Imic:
Not voting: Everybody
(* denotes that the player has not yet used their personal 24 hour extension)
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck:
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks:
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Clock King:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(0) Jumping The Shark:
Not voting: Everybody
Trope in Effect: Boring But Practical: Non-shotted actions cannot be blocked or have their targets changed.
The day began once again. The game went on.
Day 3 has begun, and will end 8:30 P.M. Central/Forum time Friday. The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 23, 2018, 01:14:07 pm
However, it was noted as a kidnapping... I wonder if it might have been some sort of role check.
Post by: Tiruin on January 23, 2018, 01:18:57 pm
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Maximum Spin was Cthulhu(town).I am thoroughly confused -.-
(Auto, Innate): Incomprehensible Eldritch Abomination: When you die for the first time, your alignment flips but your role does not flip aside from this auto. Information on your role abilities other than information about this ability can only be learned firsthand. Your alignment cannot be changed. Certain abilities may treat you as being mafia. You alignment inspect as cult. You have access to your cult chat, and may continue to post in it while dead. Any player who uses an investigative action on you during the night will have their target(s) changed to a random player next night.
The blue part means 'only this auto shows when you die alongside your (true?) alignment'. Otherwise all information is only learned 'firsthand', meaning via abilities. Max will always be Town, meaning if revived or whatever--HOWEVER this doesn't mean he cannot be cult converted (or...maybe he can't because of that auto innate).
"Certain abilities may treat you as being mafia"
"You alignment inspect as cult"
How the heck are those even possible?!
AND there's a 'cult chat'??
That's one buffed up role there.
FoU: Is it possible for there to be a 'fake' ability in a person's ability list in their role?
Tawa: Report on your night result.
PPE bluh sleeeeeep
Post by: Imic on January 23, 2018, 01:25:18 pm
Well, no - one died.
That means two things:
The mafia/third party didn't go for anyone
Or:
We have a lot of support roles.
There is another possibility...
W emay have a lot of townies and fewer third parties then I thought. There must be at least two people capable of killing someone, though, as evidenced by yesterday. We need to figure out who's who, we can't afford to kill another townie. I was wrong about the cult, I was wrong, I was wrooooong! It still raises the question, though, why did cthulu turn out to be town anyway? I just... His role was so flipping confusing!
@Mooney
The prvious night, I was roleblocked by someone who put a bag over my head, and tossed me into a car, and then this happened:
PfpDo you have anything to tell us, @Silthuri?
I kidnapped Imic last night, blocking him and preventing others from acting upon him. I was worried about cult influences which is why I picked him. I don't know why RGN got randomized to himself, but it had nothing to do with my ability and probably not Imic because 1. I targeted him just fine and 2. My action removed him from the game for the night.
Post by: Silthuri on January 23, 2018, 01:44:10 pm
Yeah, Tawa. I block people and assuming you and Tiru and I tell the truth, we have two kidnappers.
By the way, I did kidnap moony last night because of the possible kill and I don't trust them enough to let that go unattended.
Post by: Silthuri on January 23, 2018, 01:50:56 pm
Why the hell did I think Imic was Tawa? Ugh...
So that is addressed to Imic and scrap the bit about Tawa telling the truth. I thought Tawa was claiming to have been blocked too. My bad guys...
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 23, 2018, 02:13:17 pm
This is my role:
I am a Doctor, who aligns with Town. (But i can help someone who i shouldn't have helped by mistake if i'm not careful with who I pick.)
I can perform the following abilities at night:
Trauma Surgery: I protect my target from one kill.
Extreme CPR: IF, and only if, my target is killed, i protect them from that kill and all further kills that night, making them invincible for the night unless overridden (By an unknown force). If they are not killed, I kill them.
I have no Day abilites, and no passive abilities.
This will be risky, but i think it should be worth it.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 23, 2018, 02:15:28 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 23, 2018, 03:48:58 pm
RIP, at least king wasn't attacked. I was busy defending him. You know what. I've done the risk calculation, and it will be worth it. (i hope. i really really hope.)PFP because 4am and sleepy as bluhgh.
This is my role:
I am a Doctor, who aligns with Town. (But i can help someone who i shouldn't have helped by mistake if i'm not careful with who I pick.)
I can perform the following abilities at night:
Trauma Surgery: I protect my target from one kill.
Extreme CPR: IF, and only if, my target is killed, i protect them from that kill and all further kills that night, making them invincible for the night unless overridden (By an unknown force). If they are not killed, I kill them.
I have no Day abilites, and no passive abilities.
This will be risky, but i think it should be worth it.
Moony I'd question why you're claiming right now--and why exactly does the info here go contradictory to what you said towards NQT when you 'accidentally killed them'.
That does not parse as 'accidentally'.
PfpUm ._. how am I involved here? Sleepy brain here. Will recongifure self toromrw
Yeah, Tawa. I block people and assuming you and Tiru and I tell the truth, we have two kidnappers.
By the way, I did kidnap moony last night because of the possible kill and I don't trust them enough to let that go unattended.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 23, 2018, 04:20:03 pm
I'm claiming for... Well, my gut mostly. (And potentially lack of sleep iness :P)
Post by: Silthuri on January 23, 2018, 04:59:43 pm
My sleepy mind thought Imic was Tawa for some really dumb reason, so I was a bit confused with the claim of being blocked. So you can just ignore that first paragraph.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 23, 2018, 05:20:33 pm
I am thoroughly confused -.-To answer your questions:
The blue part means 'only this auto shows when you die alongside your (true?) alignment'. Otherwise all information is only learned 'firsthand', meaning via abilities. Max will always be Town, meaning if revived or whatever--HOWEVER this doesn't mean he cannot be cult converted (or...maybe he can't because of that auto innate).
"Certain abilities may treat you as being mafia"
"You alignment inspect as cult"
How the heck are those even possible?!
AND there's a 'cult chat'??
That's one buffed up role there.
FoU: Is it possible for there to be a 'fake' ability in a person's ability list in their role?
1. "Firsthand" means that the information cannot be disseminated secondhand. For example, if someone was told secretly by Spin what his abilities were, that someone would not be permitted to spread the information. The same goes if someone learns information about his role via inspections.
2. How the heck are those even possible? BYOR.
3. There's a cult chat. Not necessarily one made up of people with the cult alignment.
4. A fake ability in the roleflip? There will be no abilities that significantly falsify(as opposed to obscuring or redacting) a roleflip, as I consider that a bastard mechanic. Something like creating a fake ability to replace Spin's flip is a definite no go.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 23, 2018, 05:23:48 pm
Speaking of Tawa, he's asked for a replacement.Some day we will all be replacementos.
Post by: kingawsume on January 23, 2018, 09:01:13 pm
Meaning, yes, he was jailed, but with flavor text.
Post by: kingawsume on January 23, 2018, 09:07:01 pm
I don't think Worthless Yellow rocks is a good trope choice; Judging by the description, it'll nullify all of our other abilities, but give us an incredibly powerful ability we either can't use or is good in theory, but ill-advised or worthless in practice.
How about Star-Crossed Lovers?
Post by: Imic on January 24, 2018, 02:19:59 am
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 24, 2018, 08:55:48 am
Clock King would probably buff the mafia with some time-related ability.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 24, 2018, 08:59:23 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 24, 2018, 09:48:05 am
I think I'll vote for Star-Crossed Lovers (Star-Crossed Lovers?)Both colors are fine.
Post by: juicebox on January 24, 2018, 09:26:33 pm
I'll vote for Clock King, It sounds more interesting than Star Crossed Lovers, and I don't think that any of the tropes will favor too heavily towards one side.
Here are some reads for you guys:
notquitethere: Has made some good posts, is trying to help town. Leaning town on him
kingawsume: Don't know what to think of him at all, Not getting very much out of his posts. Null Read
Tiruin: Is trying the hardest to generate content, generally is trying to help town. Town read
Silthuri: Kidnapped Imic and Moony, Has made some good posts, slight town read
randomgenericusername: Seems dodgy, doesn't seem to be attempting to generate much content. Slight scum lean.
MoonyTheHuman: Was getting a a town read from Gigagiant, but I'm not getting the same vibes from his predecessor. Claims that Gigagiant targeted NQT with a kill, but his roleclaim seems to contradict that claim. Leaning scum
Tawa: Seems to be an alignment detective, which is usually a town role, so pretty strong town lean.
juicebox: Comes in Orange, Grape, and Fruit Punch
Imic: Seemed pretty suspicious, was tied up with this cultist business but now I'm not so sure about him. Null read
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 24, 2018, 09:30:22 pm
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 24, 2018, 10:22:05 pm
Note that the details may be a little sensitive, so it's up to you.
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2018, 10:55:34 pm
NotquiteThere, I've got GigaGiant's reasoning (thanks fallacy). If you want to hear the details, just ask and I'll summarize it for you. In essence, GigaGiant had reason to believe you would be such targeted that night, so he used Extreme CPR to attempt to protect you. However that (was, Mr plan killer :P) is still a winwin, because if you were not attacked, you were likely scum. In our situation, you weren't attacked.I've got a big post for later but what in the world did this reasoning even come from?
Note that the details may be a little sensitive, so it's up to you.
I didn't say GigaGiant (Really, if I did, give me a link) outright used a kill. I said he used Extreme CPR, which can kill, but makes someone invulnerable for the night if someone else tries to kill them. Maybe it was intentional, but I dunno GigaGiant's goal.Y'know I'm seeing a better option :vc
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Trauma Surgery: I protect my target from one kill.It's somewhere other than Extreme CPR...
Extreme CPR: IF, and only if, my target is killed, i protect them from that kill and all further kills that night, making them invincible for the night unless overridden (By an unknown force). If they are not killed, I kill them.
Because you're saying 'KILL HIM MANY TIMES'.
Explicitly.
And NOBODY ELSE HERE IS SCUMHUNTING OR FOLLOWING UP ON THEIR "TARGETS" AS SAID YESTERDAY.
Also Juicebox is pretty much away like NQT for some reason hence why I'm not poking him :v
juicebox, I'd like to know who your suspects are and if you really suspect anyone as of today, though.
Because seriously. No red stuff from anyone but me.
Where did the dayhunting go? It REALLY feels like people are taking a passive approach to this with all the powers. -.-
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 24, 2018, 11:30:00 pm
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 24, 2018, 11:59:47 pm
Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
Here we go, a full explanation:
Since NQT received investigation results from BlachHeartKabal, GigaGiant believed the chance suck would try to kill him so he couldn't just it was high, so he decided to do Extreme CPR, which has a win-win (mostly) situation: either NAT is protected from all kills and can be considered towny, or he gets killed and is likely revealed scum. He believed it would be highly unlikely another killing townie would target NQT and ruin the attempt, which either that or a role related ability happened.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 25, 2018, 12:14:34 am
To note, BlackHeartKabal probably didn't lie about that message.
Right now, I'm looking at two possible lynch candidates: Max or BHK, and, as you can see, leaning BHK. The way I see it, lynching BHK could give us tons of crucial information tonight.I'm a role that can only give my action results through messages to others primed to send after I die, since I'm forbidden from giving anything I learn out outside of my death messages. I asked the questions to screen and give a breadcrumb to put NQT up if he doesn't out my results, since I was intent on having the messages be sent to him for this game, which is why I asked the question to him. I can prime one message per day but can prime another if I give up my vote.
When I put the first vote on Maximum Spin, RGUN, Tiruin, Silthuri, king, and BHK all voted after me. In my opinion, BHK was a blatant bandwagon. I feel like something is also off about RGUN's vote, and kingawsume's vote was almost certainly a suspicious bandwagon, but that's beside my point.
Now, if Max is actually mafia, then we can safely assume that if BHK is mafia, BHK wouldn't bandwagon on Max. So if we lynch BHK and find out they're scum, we can assume that Max is town. In that case, we can assume that Max is telling the truth about Imic and the cult message. If we lynch BHK and they're town, we're down a lurker.
Lastly, I have a hypothesis--a deeply grasping-at-straws hypothesis, but a hypothesis nonetheless--that BHK could be the cult leader. Their initial group of questions suggests that BHK could be third party. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7659816#msg7659816) This would also explain the lurking as a ploy to keep the cult hush-hush. Again, this is pretty out there, and I don't expect it to be true--but I think it's definitely a possibility.
NotQuiteThere Give us the message please.
Post by: notquitethere on January 25, 2018, 03:18:23 am
With all these no-kills, this game might have already Jumped The Shark!
OK so I guess Max deliberately got themselves lynched to prove they were town. A bit time-wastey, but at least no one died in the night over it. Their "alignment-flip" could be fake and we still don't know what they've been doing cult-wise.
Max, what are you going to do with your confirmed status?
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Silthuri, what's your best guess on what happened in the night given the lack of kills?
---
Moony
NotQuiteThere Give us the message please.
I already did. BHK gave me some role info on Tiruin, as stated here:
I was entrusted some information about your role by BHK. Not going to reveal the name as it hints strongly at rolepowers, but it begins with the letter H (or, X, in a sense). Get it right?
Tiruin has already confirmed that I was right, but I can spell out the whole message if needs be.
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Tiruin, do you mind if I reveal your role?
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RGU
My non-shotted action was messed with. Oh well.How so?
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Kingawsume
Well, I can confirm that Moony was not a valid target last night. It only took an extra night (damn Hilarity Ensues), but I was "Unable to find my target."What were you doing to Moony?
Meaning, yes, he was jailed, but with flavor text.
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Imic, Ok so let me get this straight, you say there was a cult conversion attempt, but the person who flips 'cultist' is town... so where was the real cultist? What aren't I getting here?
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Juicebox, nice reads list, but do you have any cases?
--
Tawa, who did you inspect last night?
Post by: Imic on January 25, 2018, 03:54:51 am
I got a message saying there was a cult, I, naturally, assumed that was bad, aso I told everyone.
But, it turns out the cult was actually good, and me telling everyone killed it! I screwed up! We need the next person we lynch to be scum, or at least third - party, sice we cannot afford to lose another townie!
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2018, 04:52:26 am
Eeep!Oi D:<
YOU WERE TOLD TO NOT EDIT!
ALSO nqt, sure. Reveal it. Do it. [/Palpatine]
We both got good stuff from BHI. Or uh, at least in knowing the Pm v:
Also on phone. Autocorrect and all. Horrible connection.
*rereads, realised it's public info like a idiot*...so you decided to KILL HIM?!
Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
Here we go, a full explanation:
Since NQT received investigation results from BlachHeartKabal, GigaGiant believed the chance suck would try to kill him so he couldn't just it was high, so he decided to do Extreme CPR, which has a win-win (mostly) situation: either NAT is protected from all kills and can be considered towny, or he gets killed and is likely revealed scum. He believed it would be highly unlikely another killing townie would target NQT and ruin the attempt, which either that or a role related ability happened.
LOOK. Your premise is shaky at first inspection. All your winwin is based on the flipping (heh pun) premise that HE IS LIKELY SCUM. WHICH IS INCONSIDERATE because you assume more than ONE KILL going on and thus decide "it's okay".
While I do not fault you for that action as it is a tecjnicality--I do fault GigaG, and the note of how you explained it at first (You described it as something positive "with a small chance of the kill occurring").
I was going to invite because your panic is...consistent, but there's *this* consistency about:
1. Why did you claim when there was no pressure
2. Why did you say it had "a chance to be positive" when the logic being explained is...easily resolved by going with the lesser (and more conventional route)
And while this is neutral; Id just like to know more, and it may be a difficult position because of you having to speak for Gigla (or at least, that's where your wording led the reasoning to for me).
I DON'T KNOWwut?
I got a message saying there was a cult, I, naturally, assumed that was bad, aso I told everyone.
But, it turns out the cult was actually good, and me telling everyone killed it! I screwed up! We need the next person we lynch to be scum, or at least third - party, sice we cannot afford to lose another townie!
So...the ""cult"" who "confirmed you" was ACTUALLY Max?
Also why are you panicking on that last line there? @_@
Feel guilty? v:
nqt sorry for horrible format in words. PFP. I got the answer to your query up there. Why are you talking to Max? He ded. v:
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2018, 04:55:25 am
*rereads, realised it's public info like a idiot*wait. "Investigation", specifically? BHI didn't PM you. Or are you GUESSING @_@
Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
Here we go, a full explanation:
Since NQT received investigation results from BlachHeartKabal,
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2018, 05:05:41 am
...Y'all know that scum, both in vanilla (nornal) or conventional gameplay, has the "factional nightkill" right? This means that:
1. They may do 1 kill per night. Commonly, HE's make ALL kill abilities by Mafioso rolls into (Mafiakill) [details], rather than (Kill) [details of ability]. In games like these, theres the phase it can be used (night/day)
2. Commonly, for balance reasons, this "factional Mafialill" is implied to exist for the MAFIA even if they lack any "kill"-type abilities, because it is Factional, and any GM who goes against that will state it in the OP rules.
3. Abilities such as poison, CPR-kill, etc, count as using the factional mafiakill in general games if the user is MAFIA aligned.
Just poking it in case people are confused over details.
...because I have NO idea why Giga, in Moody's explanation, would go any EXTREME PROTECT. That implies more than ONE would go kill that dude, else reasonably, the other ability would occur.
Even in revive heavy games (from experience), the MAFIA faction usually kills only once per night regardless of flavor and style. Unless the GM is a newbie :P or the GAME is REALLY highpowered. WHICH I doubt v:
Post by: Imic on January 25, 2018, 05:20:31 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 25, 2018, 05:41:35 am
N0 she didn't target anyone.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2018, 06:33:29 am
Okay, I am assuming slightly, but he came up as cult, he got to start a cult, etc etc etc, so I'm just going off this. Yes, I do feel guilty about that...."he got to start a cult"?
I DON'T KNOWCult is a third party who usually cannot win with either MAFIA or Town.
I got a message saying there was a cult, I, naturally, assumed that was bad, aso I told everyone.
But, it turns out the cult was actually good, and me telling everyone killed it! I screwed up! We need the next person we lynch to be scum, or at least third - party, sice we cannot afford to lose another townie!
Also on this bit...where is that coming from?
Nobody as I recall knew this or could assume such v:
Because it's really coming off that you're panicking that you KNEW Max was the cult person.
"Me (My?) Telling everyone killed it (Max?)".
Post by: Imic on January 25, 2018, 06:55:28 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2018, 07:58:37 am
Yes, but this was a town allied cthulu cult. That's my point.:v
...You were inducted into the 'town allied cthulu cult', weren't you? That's the only explanation I'm seeing with all the peculiar and distinct wordings you've got that was revealed(?) in your panic.
Town allied != Town. Town ally = Third party.
Also those other questions.
Also also who do you suspect is scum, etc.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 25, 2018, 08:06:15 am
RGUMy non-shotted action was messed with. Oh well.How so?
For the first time this year, I'm not posting from my phone.
Also I'm going to be very busy for a week so don't expect me to post very often
About the question: There were some lawyers(?) in the way who forced me to do paperwork when I tried to target NQT.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 25, 2018, 08:56:36 am
I agree with you, GigaGiant's reasoning is shaky at best.
I do know they have a factional nightkill.
Yes, i'm pretty sure GigaGiant's certainty at the Investigation results being sent was a guess.
Yell at GigaGiant, not me. I can tell you I don't plan to use Extreme CPR without very sturdy reasoning.
EDIT: I can't spell Tiruin's name right.
Post by: Imic on January 25, 2018, 09:00:08 am
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 25, 2018, 10:47:41 am
TiruinPlease stop editing your posts because I think it's against the rules.
I agree with you, GigaGiant's reasoning is shaky at best.
I do know they have a factional nightkill.
Yes, i'm pretty sure GigaGiant's certainty at the Investigation results being sent was a guess.
Yell at GigaGiant, not me. I can tell you I don't plan to use Extreme CPR without very sturdy reasoning.
EDIT: I can't spell Tiruin's name right.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 25, 2018, 11:25:56 am
It's not against the rules, I just checked.TiruinPlease stop editing your posts because I think it's against the rules.
I agree with you, GigaGiant's reasoning is shaky at best.
I do know they have a factional nightkill.
Yes, i'm pretty sure GigaGiant's certainty at the Investigation results being sent was a guess.
Yell at GigaGiant, not me. I can tell you I don't plan to use Extreme CPR without very sturdy reasoning.
EDIT: I can't spell Tiruin's name right.
Post by: Silthuri on January 25, 2018, 11:54:58 am
From the OP
Basic mafia rules (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.0) are in effect.
And from the link in the OP
Mafia's occurring here on the forum have some hitherto unspoken rules which are often not mentioned, but everyone adheres to. These include:
-Never editing one's post.
-Never directly quote any private communication from the mod, including your role PM.
-Talking to other players after you've been killed.
You sure you checked?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 25, 2018, 12:30:43 pm
It is against the rules, Moony.I'll go ahead and confirm that.
Please don't do it again.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 25, 2018, 12:49:39 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2018, 01:29:03 pm
If day ends today (friday my time, Extend personal use here thing)
RIP, Overlooked that. Got it. Sorry Fallacy.So!
Eeep!
Quote
« Reply #383 on: January 24, 2018, 11:30:00 pm »What was this?
Eeep!
« Last Edit: Today at 12:18:11 am by MoonyTheHuman »
TiruinScumhunt? I believe your protects would help Silthuri a lot here.
I agree with you, GigaGiant's reasoning is shaky at best.
I do know they have a factional nightkill.
Yes, i'm pretty sure GigaGiant's certainty at the Investigation results being sent was a guess.
Yell at GigaGiant, not me. I can tell you I don't plan to use Extreme CPR without very sturdy reasoning.
EDIT: I can't spell Tiruin's name right.
Also.
I was not unducted into the cult. I thought it was third party. I only realised it was Town when Max was lynched. He was being very obtuse about it, though, and he probably could have helped himself if he wasn't. I am panicking because a town allied cult would have been extremely good for town, since we would actually know who was trustworthy, but now, that's gone. That's why I'm panicky.CULT is anti town by nature.
You only realized it was town when Max was lynched.
Why beat yourself up over something nobody ELSE but Max knew? Emphasis on ELSE, because you're panicking everywhere, have very strange wording to go alongside it, and aren't scumhunting other than getting reactions from others--which in my general feels, feel passive leaning. :v
Also is this your first game or are you new to forum mafia? Because, yes, a town-allied "cult-in-flavor-only" would be good for town. But how would you "know' who is trustworthy when you don't have proof if Max was alive right now? You'll have contradictory details--Tawa's inspection, versus Max' words, and the fact that we've a Detective already in the open is detrimental when his abilities would've been used for the beenfit of otehrs.
What's the reason for you panicking anyway?
Also where is Tawa?
FoU: Slap that notification for the people who haven't posted yet, thanks.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2018, 01:32:59 pm
Apparently somebody blocked my ability last night. I was unable to perform my action. At least no-one actually died.Oh, also, your protects are x-shotted or...?
However, it was noted as a kidnapping... I wonder if it might have been some sort of role check.
Anyway yeah :v
There's some stuffs people claimed that don't seem tomatch but sleepy can't focus. PFP
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 25, 2018, 02:05:14 pm
Silthuri, you want a night protect?
In terms of what the 'Eeep!' post was... Is there a way for me to view past edits? if not, I dunno, sorry.
Also, even if Imic isn't new (I dunno) I've only played Mafia on IRC (##werewolf on Freenode) which is fast paced, so i'm still learning.
My protects are not X-Shotted, I can use them every night any night as long as i'm not attacked or kidnapped; if X-Shotted means what i think it means. (Limited number of uses?)
Post by: Imic on January 25, 2018, 02:24:12 pm
Post by: Silthuri on January 25, 2018, 03:27:19 pm
Quote from: My email notification
Uh, sorry Tiruin, but that reasoning is for NQT to ask for. The reasoning is based off of a bunch of sensitive hints.
NQT
Silthuri, what's your best guess on what happened in the night given the lack of kills?I'm really not sure to be honest. I have a several theories. I'm sort of assuming that the scum can't both kill with the faction kill and use their own actions at the same time and thus may have decided to use non-lethal actions last night over their kill. Or perhaps we don't face a mafia, but possibly a not-so-town cult and we just had another trigger-happy comrade yesterday?
All I know is Imic didn't kill anyone because he was blocked when that happened. Doesn't mean I fully trust him though. I'm not entirely trusting of RGN's randomized to self thing that happened. Maybe Mooney could have killed someone if I didn't block him.
Moony
I'll see if Silthuri wants it.I think I'll be just fine, but do what you will.
Silthuri, you want a night protect?
Also where is Tawa?Tawa requested a replacement, fwiend.
As an aside, I really need to get back through the thread and see what I can find. Something feels off about a couple people, but I'm not sure enough to start throwing around accusations. Also Gosh Dang it to Heck because I'm curious and it about sums up my feelings right about now.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 25, 2018, 03:31:05 pm
I wasn't going to kill anyone last night. I was going to use my protection.
Post by: Imic on January 25, 2018, 03:46:23 pm
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 25, 2018, 03:49:31 pm
Post by: kingawsume on January 25, 2018, 03:56:14 pm
NQT
Quote
What were you doing to Moony?Trying to give him an extra night action. It's my sole purpose (praisethesun.jpg), however, lawyers are preventing me from doing anything until the next night/day I input anything.
Fukit, I'll go Worthless Yellow Rocks. What's the worst that could happen?
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 25, 2018, 04:44:01 pm
Sorry for not posting sooner, haven't time or cell signal at school.What, you got delayed by lawyers too?
NQTQuoteWhat were you doing to Moony?Trying to give him an extra night action. It's my sole purpose (praisethesun.jpg), however, lawyers are preventing me from doing anything until the next night/day I input anything.
Fukit, I'll go Worthless Yellow Rocks. What's the worst that could happen?
Post by: Silthuri on January 25, 2018, 04:47:54 pm
I do not have any randomizer. I spent last night preparing an ability, and the night before abducted. Whatever happened to you must have happened because someone deliberately targeted you with a randomizer, wince there's nothing I could possibly have done to cause that.
Just in case this is directed at what I said, I'm not accusing you of having any sort of randomizer ability. I don't fully believe RGN's claim. If you did have a randomize power, it would have affected me and I was specifically told in my PM that I successfully abducted you. And you being out of the game means you can't use abilities. My issue isn't if you randomized anyone, but whether he was randomized at all and if so by whom.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 25, 2018, 04:59:17 pm
PfpAll I know is that whoever randomized me, didn't visit me. I watched myself visit me and no one else visited me during that night.I do not have any randomizer. I spent last night preparing an ability, and the night before abducted. Whatever happened to you must have happened because someone deliberately targeted you with a randomizer, wince there's nothing I could possibly have done to cause that.
Just in case this is directed at what I said, I'm not accusing you of having any sort of randomizer ability. I don't fully believe RGN's claim. If you did have a randomize power, it would have affected me and I was specifically told in my PM that I successfully abducted you. And you being out of the game means you can't use abilities. My issue isn't if you randomized anyone, but whether he was randomized at all and if so by whom.
Post by: kingawsume on January 25, 2018, 05:09:26 pm
Yup, except mine is constant. EVERY action, be it night or day, is delayed by one cycle. Also, I'll have to reread the ability; I think I'm the person giving everyone lawyers.Sorry for not posting sooner, haven't time or cell signal at school.What, you got delayed by lawyers too?
NQTQuoteWhat were you doing to Moony?Trying to give him an extra night action. It's my sole purpose (praisethesun.jpg), however, lawyers are preventing me from doing anything until the next night/day I input anything.
Fukit, I'll go Worthless Yellow Rocks. What's the worst that could happen?
Post by: kingawsume on January 25, 2018, 05:12:38 pm
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 25, 2018, 05:14:41 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 25, 2018, 05:23:03 pm
Post by: juicebox on January 25, 2018, 06:27:33 pm
Quote from: notquitethere link=topic=168550.msg7676637#msg7676637 date=1516868303
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Juicebox[/b], nice reads list, but do you have any cases?
Not really, although I hope to have at least one after I follow up on some of my reads
RGU: Who are your top suspects and why?
Moony: same as RGU
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 25, 2018, 07:23:20 pm
Currently, I think Imic because of all of this odd cult problem which ended with lynching a town cult and maybe a little bit on Moony (but it's probably just because of editing posts).Quote from: notquitethere link=topic=168550.msg7676637#msg7676637 date=1516868303
[bJuicebox[/b], nice reads list, but do you have any cases?
Not really, although I hope to have at least one after I follow up on some of my reads
RGU: Who are your top suspects and why?
Moony: same as RGU
I think I will be re-reading the pasts days trying to find anyone else suspicious.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 25, 2018, 07:28:41 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 25, 2018, 07:45:08 pm
Honestly, i haven't done much analysis, so no top here. I need more information.I'll admit I haven't done a lot of analysis either.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2018, 10:56:37 pm
Silthuri: What's the reasoning behind why you picked who you picked? And can you please summarize what had occurred?
FOU Votecount/Timecount please.
Post by: Silthuri on January 25, 2018, 11:42:37 pm
Silthuri: What's the reasoning behind why you picked who you picked? And can you please summarize what had occurred?
I think I elaborated on why for my targets, but I do need to have it all in one place. And I don't believe I explained my N0 choice.
N0: I chose to block no one. This is because no one could die, I had no suspects and I didn't want to keep investigative roles from investigating. And plus I was a bit spooped by a caveat in my abduct power. I admit I didn't consider a cult or a non-lethal bad guy actions and that the caveat literally could not backfire N0.
N1: I was extremely paranoid about cult, so of course I went after Imic. I already claimed prior to the night that he was high on my suspect list. I was unsure about the whole "asked to join cult" thing and wanted to prevent either a forced conversion, further recruitment, or even an agreement from Imic to join.
N2: I abducted Mooney. He admitted to killing NQT but had not fully claimed the power. Because I did not want to leave him open to kill again, I abducted him.
I'm sure you're wondering about this caveat I mentioned. After some deliberation, I'm going to fully claim my abduction power. Should I die on a night where I have abducted someone, my target dies with me. Hence why I keep abducting people who are suspicious. And also why I'm not using it as a protect role.
As for summarizing what occurred, do you mean what occurred during the abductions?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 26, 2018, 10:20:36 am
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 26, 2018, 11:42:29 am
Fallacy, give us an extension please. I'll use mine (I need more time personally anyways)
Post by: Silthuri on January 26, 2018, 11:50:39 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 26, 2018, 12:45:50 pm
Tiruin popped her extend a bit ago Fallacy.I'm fairly sure she said "use it if the day's ending today" on Thursday... but she said "Friday my time", so I'll go ahead and apply it, which I should have done in the first place. If she wants to retcon this due to a misunderstanding, I'm fine with that, though.
Fallacy, give us an extension please. I'll use mine (I need more time personally anyways)
Okay-dokey. Day now ends 8:30 P.M. Central/Forum time Tuesday(weekends are skipped). The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
~~~
Votecount:
(1) *notquitethere: MoonyTheHuman
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) *Silthuri:
(1) *randomgenericusername: juicebox
(1) MoonyTheHuman: Tiruin
(0) *Tawa:
(0) *juicebox:
(1) *Imic: notquitethere
Not voting: Everybody but MoonyTheHuman, juicebox, Tiruin, and notquitethere
(* denotes that the player has not yet used their personal 24 hour extension)
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(1) Gosh Dang It To Heck: Silthuri
(1) Worthless Yellow Rocks: kingawsume
(0) Cincinnatus:
(1) Star-Crossed Lovers: randomgenericusername
(2) Clock King: juicebox, Imic
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(0) Jumping The Shark:
Not voting: Everybody but kingawsume, randomgenericusername, juicebox, and Imic.
Trope in Effect: Boring But Practical: Non-shotted actions cannot be blocked or have their targets changed.
Please notify me if you see a vote count error.
Post by: juicebox on January 26, 2018, 06:12:26 pm
Honestly, i haven't done much analysis, so no top here. I need more information.
You can't think of a single person who's acted in a suspicious manner? That seems hard to believe.
RGU: So do you think that there's still a cult in the game, or do you believe Imic's claim of a town allied cult?
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 26, 2018, 06:17:42 pm
Post by: juicebox on January 28, 2018, 03:49:35 pm
Moony: If you need more information, then why don't you vote for this person who you're suspicious of and pressure them for information?
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 30, 2018, 08:02:07 am
RGU: So do you think that there's still a cult in the game, or do you believe Imic's claim of a town allied cult?I feel there might be a third party cult to counter the town sided cult. Otherwise, Cthulhu might have been overpowered for town if used correctly. I think.
Does anyone has any idea of what could be the rest of the Cthulhu role?
Post by: kingawsume on January 30, 2018, 12:17:26 pm
Post by: juicebox on January 30, 2018, 01:38:32 pm
Post by: notquitethere on January 30, 2018, 03:20:40 pm
Post by: Imic on January 30, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 30, 2018, 08:04:14 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 30, 2018, 08:31:08 pm
Spoiler: The player with the most votes is lynched at deadline, right? (click to show/hide)
Post by: Silthuri on January 30, 2018, 08:35:07 pm
Last minute trying to tie the vote?
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 30, 2018, 08:42:06 pm
MoonyWhy? The only way for town to win is by lynching. If there is a tie, there is no lynch. If we lynch there is at least a chance that we hit scum. Better than 0% because a townie will still die because of the mafia kill.
Last minute trying to tie the vote?
Post by: Silthuri on January 30, 2018, 08:43:26 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 30, 2018, 08:47:07 pm
Okay, I reread some stuff and I think I'm going to have to vote Imic.
Moony
Last minute trying to tie the vote?
Unfortunately, the day ended just before you two voted. Note your timestamps. If you did vote, though, it would have the same outcome as what you're about to see.
Votecount:
(1) *notquitethere: MoonyTheHuman
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) *Silthuri:
(0) *randomgenericusername:
(2) MoonyTheHuman: Tiruin, juicebox
(0) *Tawa:
(0) *juicebox:
(1) *Imic: notquitethere
Not voting: Tawa, kingawsume, Imic, randomgenericusername, Silthuri
In the end, it was decided that MoonyTheHuman would be lynched, despite some last-minute protests... it wasn't much of a decision, but the L.Y.N.C.H. took it anyway. Two bullets went into two hearts and MoonyTheHuman fell.
MoonyTheHuman(formerly GigaGiant) was Doctor(town)
(Night): Trauma Surgery [target]: You protect your target from one kill.
(Night): Nitrous Oxide Anesthesia [target]: You either roleblock your target or randomize them(50% chance of each).
(1-Shot, Auto): Doctor of Gallifrey: When you die, you revive.
(1-Shot, Night): Extreme CPR [target]: If your target would not be hit by any kills, you kill them. if they would be hit by one or more kills, you protect them from all of them.
(1-Shot, Day, Hilarity Ensues): *blarg*: Every time you are voted today, you die and do not role flip. Each time there is a vote count not triggered by your death, you revive. At the end of the day, this ability goes out of effect and the day is extended by 24 hours.
There went the doctor. Doctor. Whatever. The town dwindled, one by one. They needed to root out the traitors in their midst, because so far they had found none and they only had so many...
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(1) Gosh Dang It To Heck: Silthuri
(1) Worthless Yellow Rocks: kingawsume
(0) Cincinnatus:
(1) Star-Crossed Lovers: randomgenericusername
(2) Clock King: juicebox, Imic
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(0) Jumping The Shark:
Not voting: Tiruin, Tawa, notquitethere
By a similarly small margin it was decided that there must be a Clock King.
Trope: Clock King: The players will have 24 hours to elect a Clock King before night starts. The Clock King must then select what order the players will act in before the night ends.
Time ground to a halt. The day went on, for just a little longer.
The day has been extended by 24 hours.
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 30, 2018, 08:55:37 pm
Uh, I vote for Tiruin to be the Clock King because I think Tiruin is nice and I don't know who else to vote for.
Ugh, this is my fault because I was tired and pfp and didn't read carefully.
Post by: juicebox on January 30, 2018, 11:04:56 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2018, 12:06:47 am
Posting on phone. Autocorrect may mess up stuff (like when my word said "invite" in a post eat back there to moony).
Use personal extension, or if better--vote extend for communal extension.
So I had a post yesterday all typed up but no. Internet dies and I lose it. It was a while conjecture of me sharing information, me booping Silthuri, and me positing on my vote on Moony because I wasnt targeted by a killsgot or whatever and hence trhst NQT.
Hold up reading stuff.
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2018, 12:15:20 am
If U am king I would order it as follows in descending order with the first dude going first.
Tara
Moony
Tiruin
Nqt
Wild gurl
Thu
Jukebox
Imic
Kingawsume
Tawa goes first because he claimed inspect. Moony afterwards for protecting him and he is confirmed town.then me (Everyone will literally know if Unused my kill. The x shot human is more a JOAT role that does SADLY NOT GAAAAH have the "unblockable" shooting of the Hitman rolr. I can watch people as an aside and that's how I know All stuff and believe her). Then NQT before All because I've found then trustavle.
I've less idea about the rest but I am presuming cult and MAFIA (2) being present still. And it is an awful predicament going on. I will be KILLING tonight.
Fun stuff. I never killed before :B so I am concerned about past days notes.
Also bloody seriously?!
"Anytime a votecount is NOT triggered by (moony/Giga)'s death, you revive"
Like what the check is that.
Is that just a personal reason why you didn't votecount FOU D:<
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2018, 12:19:29 am
In BLOODY ORDER of error:
NAT=Nqt.
Post=post.
U=I.
Tara=Tawa.
Wild gurl (what)=Silthuri. I'm betting it's because of the "thuri"
Thu=THU
Jukebox=juicevox
human=Hitman
If there are any issues personal or otherwise please speak up. Counting the time along my personal extend used, we've till Friday.
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2018, 12:25:03 am
I miscounted. Whoooooops. Uh, sorry for that.my niceness should not be a factor of determining your chooce. This is why you dayhunt or scumhunt. So you have a credible set of people to lean towards. I can be nice...whilr stabbing your butt :I because I'm scum. Those situations should also be put in mind
Uh, I vote for Tiruin to be the Clock King because I think Tiruin is nice and I don't know who else to vote for.
Ugh, this is my fault because I was tired and pfp and didn't read carefully.
I mean v: everyone here is nice. Like Silthuri. Before she stabbed me in the sword last game as scum dark god priest. :P
Now really.
YOU two. Why vote me as clock King. If I would vote--itd be to Moony because he literally revived as per that weird *blarg* ability.
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2018, 12:26:20 am
FOU: can you clarify that HILARITU ability?
Post by: Silthuri on January 31, 2018, 12:35:33 am
I mean v: everyone here is nice. Like Silthuri. Before she stabbed me in the sword last game as scum dark god priest. :P
Sowwy!
Also wild gurl is oddly fitting. Your phone might be psychic.
Might I request being higher on the list as I block? Granted I go before my intended target in your list, but I just wanna be sure I get my abduct off. Unless you don't trust me with it anymore. I assume the abduct is what you want to boop me about?
Also pfp.
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2018, 02:38:56 am
you get top slot then aboven Tawa (because it'd help if he posted T_T)
I mean v: everyone here is nice. Like Silthuri. Before she stabbed me in the sword last game as scum dark god priest. :P
Sowwy!
Also wild gurl is oddly fitting. Your phone might be psychic.
Might I request being higher on the list as I block? Granted I go before my intended target in your list, but I just wanna be sure I get my abduct off. Unless you don't trust me with it anymore. I assume the abduct is what you want to boop me about?
Also pfp.
Post by: Imic on January 31, 2018, 05:17:42 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2018, 06:43:22 am
Well, mafia's won at this point.Are you going to continue giving cryptic or passive messages or are you going to do something about the situation? Because some of us have more notes than the others, other than commentary. <_> Because you're a player in the game; not a spectator, or observer. YOU have the ability to influence the game. I don't know WHY you even bother to say 'well this side wins at this point' other than to generate some kind of reaction, but if it's just commentary it is BASELESS if the game IS STILL BLOODY RUNNING. If that is a quip AT ME who only has two darn votes for 'clock king', you've to follow up on that, because all you've been doing (in public in my eyes anyway) is panic and not push a case on anyone else this whole game.
People, please vote in orange the person you'd like me to use my kill on tonight.
Because really? "Mafia's won at this point"? Quitter talk. Or if you ARE MAFIA OR CULT, then wow that's some bravado right there.
The 'lost' post I've got is this--I did not kill anyone or use a kill action on people (I show up as killing people anyway -_-). The whole thing between NQT and Giga notes that two people were killed. There is NOTHING in Giga's post about some kind of method that NQT could have died in it--so that means there's another killer at hand. (This last sentence is me assuming 'maybe NQT acted on Giga and he died and revived?')
Spoiler: See Giga's Role (click to show/hide)
And obviously, if I had picked to choose a kill on NQT, he'd have been protected given this Extreme CPR. :v
SOMEHOW, somebody killed NQT.
Somehow, NOBODY is speaking out about it.
That's what also forwards my belief that NQT is Town or whatever.
Next night? Nobody died. Silthuri grabs Moony (I saw that :v). Moony/Giga chose to protect someone else, but they obviously got roleblocked. The other folks make vague and nebulous ideas 'because more info is needed!' (when in all actuality--your POST is INFORMATION itself). Or at least that's what Moony said. Which is weird. -_-
So the baseline here, is the mafia (and cult) is using this BLOODY DAY PASSIVITY as a guise to do their things. INACTIVITY does not make for a fun game, but it is technically a win, even if Town doesn't try.
So heck.
Quote from: List of folks to act if I'm Clock King
SilthuriIf you've anything to say regarding your abilities or your half claims (DO NOT FULL CLAIM UNLESS ULTIMATELY NEEDED), mention it now. If nothing else to say, either vote for who is clock king (somehow in red? O_o), or vote in Orange because if I am Clock King, I do mention I will use my kill tonight. There's also a reason I'm mentioning in public that I can kill (y'know, other than the extremely obvious 'hitman' mention by NQT back there), and I am leaning onto the last 4 folks in there to commit that kill on.
Tawa
Moony
Tiruin
NQT
RGU
Juicebox
Imic
Kingawsume
Might I request being higher on the list as I block? Granted I go before my intended target in your list, but I just wanna be sure I get my abduct off. Unless you don't trust me with it anymore. I assume the abduct is what you want to boop me about?If your abduct is what I guess it is, you're not the person who roleblocked me N0. :v BHK acted on me that night--he got his investigate results (and I have a nice PM from him on it post-D1), so it wasn't from him in what I assume as flavor.
Also pfp.
So hey, "well, mafia's won at this point" is something nice to say.
Do you have anything else to add, Imic? Or are you going to not post until the end of twilight?
Post by: kingawsume on January 31, 2018, 07:21:32 am
Post by: Imic on January 31, 2018, 07:28:53 am
Post by: randomgenericusername on January 31, 2018, 07:40:32 am
Or maybe it will just fail like on every single night.
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on January 31, 2018, 08:56:43 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 31, 2018, 09:09:38 am
FOU: can you clarify that HILARITU ability?Just because he had it, doesn't mean he used it.
Use personal extension, or if better--vote extend for communal extension.Personal extension's used(unless I misinterpreted what you said earlier), but as this is still part of the day...
(1) Extend: Tiruin
Post by: notquitethere on January 31, 2018, 10:05:02 am
Apologies for not being around at day end. The deadlines are always at 3AM when I'm asleep.
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2018, 10:55:03 am
Tiru. Also, feel free to keep me in the bottom slot; because flavor text, the only thing happening from me is telling everyone they lost the game.Just because I pretty much said I'll kill someone doesn't make it easier for me to decide when I'm getting things like these.
It feels so passive. T_T
But then there's cult and I presume 2 mafia. <_>
I was making a random comment because I don't have enough time o analyze things properly.It needn't be...that kind of comment. >_> I'm not touching your personal agency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agency_%28philosophy%29) that way, but please know that doing such things in forum mafia games tends to either cause other people to engage with it, or ignore it (and perhaps feed or reinforce impressions).
If you feel overwhelmed, deal by starting with compartmentalization--treat things one step at a time, with anything personal and IRL for you, going first. Anything gamewise, second. Everything you post in a mafia game stays in a mafia game--inasmuch as anything you post during a game is treated with the context as a player.
Helps to say more stuff though. :O It's a bit...off, that D3 was filled with not much proactivity at all. (Although ok, I was filled up with busy before the lynch <_< but that doesn't excuse me not posting before it).
Ok so for clarification:FOU: can you clarify that HILARITU ability?Just because he had it, doesn't mean he used it.
Is Moony alive right now?
bah. Tiruin rants are fun reads. IAMA Ghost! Ask me Anything (not).Can you please participate as if you're part of the everything rather than as an observer? :P Proactivity creates experience.
Uncertainty is the mafia/anyone anti-town's cudgel.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 31, 2018, 11:50:03 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2018, 11:52:36 am
Moony is rather dead right now. He has deadchat and everything!So 8/8.
Also all these 'everyone ded' 'mafia wins' or whatever commentary has me really suspect the cult has grown. -_-
Like bloody goodness could the commentary on a brief re-read be more...fatalistic in tone? x_x
Time to trawl and read up on everything on the lower 4. :vQuote from: List of folks to act if I'm Clock KingSilthuri
Tawa
Tiruin
NQT
RGU
Juicebox
Imic
Kingawsume
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 31, 2018, 09:10:33 pm
Night 3 has begun, and will end 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time Friday. I still need a replacement for Tawa.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 01, 2018, 12:37:19 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 03, 2018, 06:35:39 pm
((Sorry I'm late, I ran into some wild calculus problems.))
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 03, 2018, 07:30:43 pm
Votecount:
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) *Silthuri:
(0) *randomgenericusername:
(0) *rockeater:
(0) *juicebox:
(0) *Imic:
Not voting: Everyone
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck: Silthuri
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks: kingawsume
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(0) Jumping The Shark:
Not voting: Everyone
Trope in Effect: Clock King: The players will have 24 hours to elect a Clock King before night starts. The Clock King must then select what order the players will act in before the night ends.
Day 4 has begun, and will end Wednesday 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time. The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 03, 2018, 07:57:28 pm
My watch action last night also failed because someone kidnapped me.
So far, my ability has failed every single time and I'm very mad about it.
Post by: Imic on February 04, 2018, 02:06:17 am
Post by: Rockeater on February 04, 2018, 03:26:12 am
I was giving medicine to Tiruin and this was a waste.
So no one died in night this game except N1 and was resected so what the mafia did all that time.
And Tiruin,Why no kill?
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2018, 05:00:17 am
PFP.
My kill was blocked. Also woah, the Clock King becomes a daily thing?
Imic Who do you think is scum, and what did you do last night?
Also despite the day ending on Wednesday, we only have ONE DAY to vote for the Clock King. I'm staying ambivalent but would vote either Silthuri or NQT here.
Rockeater: Welcome to Bay12 and the game! What did Tawa do for the past nights, and what did you do last night? What's the reasoning on why you targeted who you targeted?
PPE 2x
Woah wait why are you 'giving medicine' to me when you could've investigated someone?
I forgot to make an action last night. Fallacy, I would like to request a replacement. I don't have enough time for this, and I probably shouldn' have joined in the first place.You okay? :-\
Post by: Imic on February 04, 2018, 05:35:19 am
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2018, 05:42:54 am
I really haven't been playing this properly, and most of it is due to exam stress. That's more or less it. I don't have enough time between studying to properly play, and I actually forgot to make a pn action last night.Hope you're okay there :-\
Unvote
Silthuri: What did you do last night?
Post by: Rockeater on February 04, 2018, 06:10:32 am
So who did that thing about the 'you've lost the game'? Because that's someone's Hilarity Ensues as far as I bet it is, and something I cannot understand because it references some kind of meme or whatever about 'YOU LST THE GAME' about not thinking about the game or whatever -.-Got this too
Rockeater: Welcome to Bay12 and the game! What did Tawa do for the past nights, and what did you do last night? What's the reasoning on why you targeted who you targeted?
PPE 2x
Woah wait why are you 'giving medicine' to me when you could've investigated someone?
Thanks,Tawa only had one shot of investing and it was used on Max in N1
It's an odd role,now I'm a 2-shots doctor, well 1-shot now
My reasoning might be bad,didn't play a lot but it go like this:
To an outsider at least it looks like Tiruin is reliable so his bottom 4 on the list are the immediate suspect, so killing them shortening the suspects list, so not killing anyone from them make sense, so is then killing Silthuri if he say the truth on his power and he most likely kidnap someone from this list,I can't use it on myself so we left with Tiruin or NQT so I guessed.
NQT-What you did and what happened last night?
Silthuri-Why you blocked RGU last night?
Tiruin-Did you try to shoot Imic last night and why?
Post by: Rockeater on February 04, 2018, 06:13:13 am
I really haven't been playing this properly, and most of it is due to exam stress. That's more or less it. I don't have enough time between studying to properly play, and I actually forgot to make a pn action last night.Good luck at that test
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2018, 06:20:03 am
Tiruin-Did you try to shoot Imic last night and why?It was partially as a mercy shot because Imic hasn't...err, been that proactive in day hunting and has mentioned issues--emotionally. His mention of the cult could be a major TOWN note though, because direct MAFIA members cannot be converted, asked to be converted, or even touched with conversion (any allies or third parties are much like Town though; they are fully susceptible to conversion). Although that's in the vanilla game because FoU does weird stuff in his games <_>
That and last D2 to D3, nobody ded. The other partially-bits were based on Silthuri's actions.
PFP
It seems the mafiakill was stopped though, given nobody else died.
NQT-What you did and what happened last night?That grammar. :P
Post by: Rockeater on February 04, 2018, 06:34:45 am
Anyway what I meant was to ask is what NQT did this night and if anything happened to him.
Post by: Silthuri on February 04, 2018, 06:57:03 am
I blocked RGN last night because I've been suspicious of them for a while. I'm still thrown off by the randomize thing and at this point I'm not entirely sure if I'm overthinking it or not.
Also I also got the "you lost" message last night.
And best of luck on exams Imic!
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2018, 07:01:24 am
Also I also got the "you lost" message last night.We all did. :P 8 people as recipients. I commented on it as my first post.
PFP reading back through thread.
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 04, 2018, 07:19:24 am
PfpSo because my ability failed you also block me? Rude >:(
I blocked RGN last night because I've been suspicious of them for a while. I'm still thrown off by the randomize thing and at this point I'm not entirely sure if I'm overthinking it or not.
Also I also got the "you lost" message last night.
And best of luck on exams Imic!
I already claimed investigator like on day 1, I assumed scum was the one messing with my ability all these days, but now you also decide to block me?
Am I the only one who finds this suspicious?
FoS Silthuri
Post by: Rockeater on February 04, 2018, 07:39:23 am
You did, where?Also I also got the "you lost" message last night.We all did. :P 8 people as recipients. I commented on it as my first post.
PFP reading back through thread.
Post by: Rockeater on February 04, 2018, 07:53:12 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2018, 01:14:45 pm
I forgot to make an action last night. Fallacy, I would like to request a replacement. I don't have enough time for this, and I probably shouldn' have joined in the first place.
Shame, but that's how life is sometimes. Good luck with the exams.
Imic has requested a replacement.
~~~
Also woah, the Clock King becomes a daily thing?Well... huh. Seeing as Clock King's still in effect until the end of the day, the players still need to elect a Clock King.
But when the day ends, Clock King will go out of effect, meaning the elected Clock King won't actually have the power to choose what order players act in...
So basically it's an honorary title now.
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 04, 2018, 01:26:58 pm
Post by: kingawsume on February 05, 2018, 07:16:14 am
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 05, 2018, 08:20:02 am
Post by: notquitethere on February 05, 2018, 09:03:14 am
Last night I did a benign action toward Silthuri. She won't see the effects yet.
RGU was kidnapped and there was no kill. Seems like that makes RGU best candidate for the lynch.
Post by: Tiruin on February 05, 2018, 09:21:54 am
I already claimed investigator like on day 1, I assumed scum was the one messing with my ability all these days, but now you also decide to block me?RGU: Can you recap on all this for us all? Sounds like everyone else is either busy, or lost in what to do.
Am I the only one who finds this suspicious?
FoS Silthuri
NQT: (NQT for titular Clock King -_-) Why did you target Silthuri? Why mention halfway the 'benign' action when it's benign? o_o
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 05, 2018, 10:09:32 am
RGU was kidnapped and there was no kill. Seems like that makes RGU best candidate for the lynch.The other day I wasn't blocked and there were no kills. Also I don't think the mafia kill can be blocked? Unless you roleblock every single mafia member, I think.
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 05, 2018, 10:17:02 am
Post by: notquitethere on February 05, 2018, 10:19:25 am
You know as well as I do that the mafiakill is an ability in these games.
--
Tiruin, I targeted Silthuri to check whether there was any funny business going on with this kidnapping.
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 05, 2018, 10:27:36 am
Cute dumbtell, but I don't buy it.I didn't knew that. What if the mafia with the kill dies, then? They become unable to win?
You know as well as I do that the mafiakill is an ability in these games.
--
Tiruin, I targeted Silthuri to check whether there was any funny business going on with this kidnapping.
Post by: Rockeater on February 05, 2018, 11:09:15 am
I feel a bit odd for not having any good suspects now, the fact that there where only 2 nightkills and one was a doctor is a bit odd.
NQT-how you were russerected anyway?
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 05, 2018, 11:39:00 am
N0 Used watch on Maximum Spin: Visited by no one but me.
N1 Used watch on Imic: Randomized to myself: Visited by no one but me.
N2: Used watch on NQT: Delayed by lawyers
N3: Used watch on Tawa: Removed from game, NQT visited by no one but me.
Post by: notquitethere on February 05, 2018, 01:39:08 pm
Rockeater, it's a feature of my role, no one else resurrected me.
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 05, 2018, 02:09:28 pm
RGU, as you know, the mafia all have access to the same mafiakill ability. Assuming you're telling the truth, have you never played forum mafia before?I remember saying I only played once some years ago and it wasn't like this. In online mafia like Epicmafia, the scum team votes to kill.
Rockeater, it's a feature of my role, no one else resurrected me.
Post by: Silthuri on February 05, 2018, 02:45:14 pm
Did you find any funny business with my kidnapping? What effects will I see?
RGU
RGU, as you know, the mafia all have access to the same mafiakill ability. Assuming you're telling the truth, have you never played forum mafia before?I remember saying I only played once some years ago and it wasn't like this. In online mafia like Epicmafia, the scum team votes to kill.
Rockeater, it's a feature of my role, no one else resurrected me.
I don't know why I thought you were in the last game. :v But assuming you're being truthful about not knowing...
How mafia typically works here (as evidenced by the last game in which I was scum) is mafia generally have access to a "faction kill." At least in that game, Persus and I both had our own actions we could do in a night but we also had the faction kill. We had to decide who would do the kill and who would use one of their actions because we couldn't both use our actions and kill in the same night. Until we discover otherwise, that's how I assume it will work in this game as well. So you wouldn't have to block all of the scum at once to block the nightkill. You just have to hit the person elected to do the kill. If it were down to only one mafia, usually they have to make the choice between using one of their personal actions and utilizing the faction kill.
Correct me if I'm wrong, more experienced players, but this is my understanding.
Post by: Rockeater on February 05, 2018, 05:01:11 pm
Fallacy when the day end?
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 05, 2018, 05:17:54 pm
I am prrety sure RGU have investigate role,I will explain tomorrow.
Fallacy when the day end?
I already claimed investigator like on day 1
ಠ_ಠ
Post by: Tiruin on February 05, 2018, 11:14:09 pm
If you didnt think it would be blocked, why did you not push any case on anyone the previous days?RGU was kidnapped and there was no kill. Seems like that makes RGU best candidate for the lynch.The other day I wasn't blocked and there were no kills. Also I don't think the mafia kill can be blocked? Unless you roleblock every single mafia member, I think.
What did you actually think about what happened in the past?
I am prrety sure RGU have investigate role,I will explain tomorrow."tomorrow"
Fallacy when the day end?
Why not today?
Why all the delays with "explanations"?
I'll put my results here.removed from the game?
N0 Used watch on Maximum Spin: Visited by no one but me.
N1 Used watch on Imic: Randomized to myself: Visited by no one but me.
N2: Used watch on NQT: Delayed by lawyers
N3: Used watch on Tawa: Removed from game, NQT visited by no one but me.
RGU; I saw Sil before and can confirm the wording of her ability--if you say TAWA OR ROCKEATER was "removed from the same", it is a roleblocker. Or at least thats what I recall about that.
You tried to visit Rockeater there and noticed they were removed from the game?
Explicit or implicit evidence that there are folks not telling what is.
Its like that here--instead aof a vote though, you can volunteer who to kill. Easily checked by looking at any past game's scumchat.RGU, as you know, the mafia all have access to the same mafiakill ability. Assuming you're telling the truth, have you never played forum mafia before?I remember saying I only played once some years ago and it wasn't like this. In online mafia like Epicmafia, the scum team votes to kill.
Rockeater, it's a feature of my role, no one else resurrected me.
PFP
Post by: Rockeater on February 06, 2018, 12:30:57 am
Sorry it was 11pm when I said that.
The evidence:It might be a bad one but he did claimed to be randomized to himself before the lynch of Max and this ability showing up on his flip
Post by: Tiruin on February 06, 2018, 01:25:51 am
PFPLinks when you can.
Sorry it was 11pm when I said that.
The evidence:It might be a bad one but he did claimed to be randomized to himself before the lynch of Max and this ability showing up on his flip
But 'showing up on his flip' (whose flip), where?
Post by: Rockeater on February 06, 2018, 01:46:37 am
I'll think it would be better to wait until FoU becomes online and processes my action. I don't know what happened yet.I don't know how to get the results of the lynch from D2 here so I will quote them separately.
Also, during the night I was randomized to myself. For some reason I also learned that no one visited me (other than me).
I tried to visit Imic. Now I'm wondering how did I get randomized if no one visited me.
I think Imic might have had an ability that randomizes whoever visits him. How did he get roleblocked? Nothig of this makes sense.
Post by: Rockeater on February 06, 2018, 01:53:37 am
...
Maximum Spin was Cthulhu(town).
(Auto, Innate): Incomprehensible Eldritch Abomination: When you die for the first time, your alignment flips but your role does not flip aside from this auto. Information on your role abilities other than information about this ability can only be learned firsthand. Your alignment cannot be changed. Certain abilities may treat you as being mafia. You alignment inspect as cult. You have access to your cult chat, and may continue to post in it while dead. Any player who uses an investigative action on you during the night will have their target(s) changed to a random player next night.
...
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 06, 2018, 09:08:17 am
Fallacy when the day end?Wednesday, 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time.
The day's communal extension has not been used.
Post by: Tiruin on February 06, 2018, 09:26:38 am
I hope people are voting tropes in orange or violet :v can't believe Jump the Shark was being picked a few days in the past, but uncolored. So I didn't notice until now. Yay, I've an idea on what's going on! \o/
...But I still have no idea why people are choosing it?
Sil: I'll be tracking tonight. Out of all the folks, I trust you and NQT. Please target any of the other 4 folks because today is ending in a lynch. :v
So two died, but also revived. I wonder if there is a player witha role that revives everyone that dies during the night?RGU: This was your first post of D2. What phase was your H.E. ability usable by?
Also I used my Hilarity Ensues ability on Tiruin.
Also RGU never claimed he was town (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7669353#msg7669353) in his D2 post; he claimed he 'watched' himself.
The wording makes me wonder if that 'watch' was a tack-on. Also the ideas said by folks above (Rockeaterrrrr, use that opportunity to expound and make your springboard for ideas), was that RGU probably mentioned himself saying he's town somewhere in the past. I can't find that exact wording up there and still looking for it, but PFP.
Imic instead. He's also another Silthuri-grab, other than RGU. To note that he was blocked on a night where non-shotted powers are unblockable...And in a way, the worry...and commentary, can (cynically) feel like overpanicking in big generalizations. <_>
FoU: Is the FACTIONAL Mafiakill a 'non-shotted' power?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 06, 2018, 09:31:08 am
FoU: Is the FACTIONAL Mafiakill a 'non-shotted' power?The factional mafiakill has no shot restrictions. Individual mafia players may have shotted (Mafiakill) abilities, however.
~~~
Imic instead. He's also another Silthuri-grab, other than RGU. To note that he was blocked on a night where non-shotted powers are unblockable...And in a way, the worry...and commentary, can (cynically) feel like overpanicking in big generalizations. <_>Of course, Imic asked for a replacement, so...
~~~
(1) [Extend]: Tiruin
Post by: Tiruin on February 06, 2018, 09:34:12 am
Of course, Imic asked for a replacement, so...Yeah :-\ I'm still looking up for stuff but voting him in the meantime, aware that he may not offer a defense on his behalf--to the others (and not to the GM here), I asked that question because in that time of NON-SHOT POWER OVERWHELMING[/starcraft], I figured the possibility of such occurring. Seems like the Mafia used an x-shot at the time then.
Post by: Rockeater on February 06, 2018, 11:31:47 am
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 06, 2018, 12:42:16 pm
I don't understand this questionIf you didnt think it would be blocked, why did you not push any case on anyone the previous days?RGU was kidnapped and there was no kill. Seems like that makes RGU best candidate for the lynch.The other day I wasn't blocked and there were no kills. Also I don't think the mafia kill can be blocked? Unless you roleblock every single mafia member, I think.
What did you actually think about what happened in the past?
Quote
I was the one removes. I said I was kidnapped at day start. I don't understand the rockeater part.I'll put my results here.removed from the game?
N0 Used watch on Maximum Spin: Visited by no one but me.
N1 Used watch on Imic: Randomized to myself: Visited by no one but me.
N2: Used watch on NQT: Delayed by lawyers
N3: Used watch on Tawa: (I was) Removed from game, NQT visited by no one but me.
RGU; I saw Sil before and can confirm the wording of her ability--if you say TAWA OR ROCKEATER was "removed from the same", it is a roleblocker. Or at least thats what I recall about that.
You tried to visit Rockeater there and noticed they were removed from the game?
Explicit or implicit evidence that there are folks not telling what is.
My Hilarity Ensues was a day action that gave a passive to my target. I don't know what the passive is, but it's called "Queen of Canada" (The passive, ability is You're Queen Now.)
I don't understand the point of claiming town because anyone could just do that but I claim town watcher since people asked.
Reminder this is my first game.
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 06, 2018, 01:10:47 pm
Missed this. I guess that explains why I was randomized that night....
Maximum Spin was Cthulhu(town).
(Auto, Innate): Incomprehensible Eldritch Abomination: When you die for the first time, your alignment flips but your role does not flip aside from this auto. Information on your role abilities other than information about this ability can only be learned firsthand. Your alignment cannot be changed. Certain abilities may treat you as being mafia. You alignment inspect as cult. You have access to your cult chat, and may continue to post in it while dead. Any player who uses an investigative action on you during the night will have their target(s) changed to a random player next night.
...
Post by: Rockeater on February 06, 2018, 03:32:00 pm
Y'all still need a replacement?Talk to the GM
Post by: Imic on February 06, 2018, 03:32:58 pm
Y'all still need a replacement?Yes.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 06, 2018, 05:47:03 pm
Y'all still need a replacement?Congrats, you're Imic now. I'll send you his data.
The Moonlit Shadow has replaced Imic.
Post by: notquitethere on February 06, 2018, 06:11:23 pm
The almost complete lack of kills definitely leaves open the possibility of a cult mafia team. (Which would also explain why a scum RGU didn't know how the mafia kill would work.)
Post by: Silthuri on February 06, 2018, 06:24:33 pm
Pop my personal extend because we have two new people and I'm also thoroughly confuzzled.
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 06, 2018, 06:41:07 pm
Moonlit Shadow, spill the beans on this cult stuff the Imic poorly explained.I feel like Imic might have poorly explained the cult stuff because he knew it was a town cult and wanted people to think that it was actually third party so we would lynch Maximum instead.
The almost complete lack of kills definitely leaves open the possibility of a cult mafia team. (Which would also explain why a scum RGU didn't know how the mafia kill would work.)
Post by: kingawsume on February 06, 2018, 09:14:22 pm
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 06, 2018, 09:41:24 pm
Post by: juicebox on February 06, 2018, 10:43:49 pm
RGU: I don't know that I believe your claim. You claim to be a watcher yet you haven't really come up with any results in the past four nights. That just doesn't seem plausible to me.
As for the tropes, Jumping the Shark looks to be interesting, so I'll go along with it
Post by: kingawsume on February 06, 2018, 11:59:15 pm
After looking over the posts, RGU. Not coming up with something twice in a row is a coincidence, thrice is a pattern, and 4 times is a conspiracy. I think you may be an investigative role, but not a town (or at least, not town-alligned).
Post by: Tiruin on February 07, 2018, 12:09:13 am
Reminder this is my first game.And you're doing good, if I've to insert OOC as a player--the same goes to the OTHER newbies here :)
Now at least we've confirmation that RGU didn't do it else he'd be killing himself last D2. It is something to note though that there was no kill when the UBERCHARGING PLAIN POWER night happened.
Moonlit Shadow: Please explain up Imic's actions for...forever, if you can, and also help clarify everything regarding what had happened.
Basically I think massclaiming is a good thing to do today <_< But that most people had sprinkled their claims everywhere.
Post by: Rockeater on February 07, 2018, 12:36:41 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 07, 2018, 09:56:43 am
A bandwagon quickly formed on the idea of extending the day. Frustrated with the lack of such extension, Silthuri went ahead and used her own personal extension.
notquitethere was promptly elected Clock King. Not like it mattered, really, given the power of the Clock King would fade at the end of the day.
Votecount:
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) Silthuri:
(1) *randomgenericusername: kingawsume
(0) *Rockeater:
(0) *juicebox:
(2) *The Moonlit Shadow: Tiruin, notquitethere
Not voting: Silthuri, randomgenericusername, Rockeater, juicebox, The Moonlit Shadow
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck: Silthuri
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks: kingawsume
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(6) Jumping The Shark: randomgenericusername, notquitethere, Tiruin, Rockeater, juicebox, kingawsume
Not voting: Silthuri, The Moonlit Shadow
Trope in Effect: Clock King: The players will have 24 hours to elect a Clock King before night starts. The Clock King must then select what order the players will act in before the night ends.
Day 4 will end Thursday 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time. The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 07, 2018, 12:13:23 pm
Post by: Rockeater on February 07, 2018, 03:48:50 pm
The lost the game thing,everybody got it,it's still not clear (at least for me, if anyone have an idea please share :))
So there are at least three options for what Moonlight Shadow say:
A)He is laying and should probably be lynched.
B)There should be a reason for him to except the inversion on the second night.
C)The inversion to the cult is not someone's choice.
Another thing is that no one else said he was invited to the cult so we should guess someone excepted it.
Anyway Moonlight Shadow what you did in the nights?
Post by: Tiruin on February 07, 2018, 07:38:22 pm
Ight, I've skimmed through what's happened. So... Cult is still around, and didn't die with Cthulhu, as I got another request to join last night.God. Imic. Your panicking. I thought it was innocent but is this why you went with ultimatums and said "OH GODS NO MORE TOWNIES SHOULD BE LYNCHED" >_>
[OOC] Fair reminder that regardless of a player's personal characteristics outside of Mafia, they may show a behavior different but congruent to their personality, even if that means sarcasm formatted as if it is frustration.[/OOC]
Or, y'know, the idea on panicking in general. Was that a smokescreen for that :I Curious and wishing this to be answered post-game if you can.
ANYWAY, Moonlit Shadow! Hullo!
Oh and apparently I've lost too. Not the Mafia game, though. The one where I don't think about the Game.I'm betting, and have done so since we ALL GOT IT (THIS SHOULD BE NOTED BUT AUGH), since my first post, that this is a Hilarity Ensues thing, and probably either a fakery-for-fun thing, or something that totally means 'this shouldn't be said in the day else something something', but in looking at my own Hilarity Ensues thingy, it's usually fake :v I bet.
Unboat. Because I am humorous with boats and votes. Please count that as a vote -.-
Ight, I've skimmed through what's happened. So... Cult is still around, and didn't die with Cthulhu, as I got another request to join last night.[...]Can we get a full list of Imic/your actions?
Cult is vague. Whispers in the night to join is all I know, outside of possible Cthulhu interactions. It's pretty mysterious, apparently.
Everyone: Massclaim thoughts? We've a lot of things strewn about, and in a game where I'm presuming 2 mafia, a cult, and townies (and I'm somehow not ded >_>), I believe we're touching MYLO soonish if not already. Which is weird given that there were no nightkills but probably a powered cult. Which is what I'm presuming given the passivity. <_<
Post by: Tiruin on February 07, 2018, 07:40:39 pm
NQT: I finally get what you're doing there, like 'umpf really also sorry but really' in the degree of 'I'm looking at you'. :v but I'm curious--who else do you suspect?
Silthuri: Can you list down who you targeted since the past?
Rockeater: Please expound on Tawa's actions--he was absent from the N2 POWERUP night?
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 07, 2018, 08:01:07 pm
Unvote The Moonlit Shadow because The Moonlit Shadow posted.
I agree with massclaiming.
Post by: Rockeater on February 08, 2018, 01:22:04 am
Essentially, summarizing, Jump the Shark
NQT: I finally get what you're doing there, like 'umpf really also sorry but really' in the degree of 'I'm looking at you'. :v but I'm curious--who else do you suspect?
Silthuri: Can you list down who you targeted since the past?
Rockeater: Please expound on Tawa's actions--he was absent from the N2 POWERUP night?
As I said before Tawa had only one shot on the investigate and he (I think it's he, it's the first thing I forget) used it on max spin at N1, I got the medic ability on N3
Post by: Silthuri on February 08, 2018, 12:09:35 pm
Silthuri: Can you list down who you targeted since the past?Sure.
N0: No one
N1:Imic/Moonlit
N2:Mooney
N3:RGN
Pfp but will hopefully be able to make a substantial post later. If we could also get the communal extension to pop that'd be awesome.
Post by: kingawsume on February 08, 2018, 12:14:54 pm
I've said this already, and claimed it; I used the "You Lost the Game" text. It is nothing but a flavor shot of Hilarity Ensues. Tiru has it up there as well.
Post by: Silthuri on February 08, 2018, 02:24:01 pm
So I was inclined to believe Imic was mostly innocent until the cult supposedly targeted him/Moonlit twice after Imic outed the cult the first time they "offered to recruit" him.
I would be okay with mass claiming, but it may spell my death. I'm asking FoU for a bit of clarification before I put forth a plan because my Hilarity Ensues action is a bit... odd.
Also, can I vote for communal extend? Plz?
Post by: Rockeater on February 08, 2018, 02:38:00 pm
And the second cult targeting of Imic look suspicious to me too.
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 08, 2018, 05:43:17 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 08, 2018, 05:51:48 pm
Also, can I vote for communal extend? Plz?Ding! The day has been extended 48 hours, and will now end Monday, 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time. The day's communal extension has been used.
FoU: Can Hilarity Ensues ability lie or be obtuse about what they really do?Lie(to the people who receive them), no. Be bloody confusing, yes.
Post by: Tiruin on February 09, 2018, 11:06:17 am
EVERYONEY'know how I knew this? Because I have one too. Sure I can use it as a day action and let the other person go 'OH NOOOO, I'm going to DIE' but no. :v Because that's not my kind of humor. I'm more puns and kind sarcasm.
I've said this already, and claimed it; I used the "You Lost the Game" text. It is nothing but a flavor shot of Hilarity Ensues. Tiru has it up there as well.
Also hey ho my own massclaim thingy didn't go through. I'ma wait for others to do so though because it's tied to what people did. <_>
I hate this phone >:(Duuuude :O[...]
As I said before Tawa had only one shot on the investigate and he (I think it's he, it's the first thing I forget) used it on max spin at N1, I got the medic ability on N3
Did you gain it out of no external intervention?
In the nights, I've given myself a few one shot abilities and have been roleblocked once, via abducted into car. I haven't yet used any of my abilities.Yo girl, didja get that cult thing AFTER maximum spin was ded? :V
Was it pretty much the same in all formatting or wording as the first time?
...Also 'Imic or you' didn't use ANY of your abilities?
NQT, and other people who haven't posted: Where you at?
TMS: We need info regarding that cult bit. I'm suspecting that, if ever it is Max' ...delayed whatever or something, it'll be helpful to know stuff like that, alongside the time of when stuff happened--that goes for the format of massclaims. Time, action, reason.
Post by: Tiruin on February 09, 2018, 11:20:29 am
None of the abilities have been used yet. The actions done were to obtain the abilities.So about those other questions I asked. :P
Max was lynched Day 2, so the second whispers were after that. The first time was night 0
How be the whispers?
Post by: Tiruin on February 09, 2018, 11:24:36 am
Oh, and the whispers are the same both times.Straight after the lynch or...? :v Gotta boop details.
Post by: Rockeater on February 09, 2018, 12:40:15 pm
Part of my powers, it involve choosing a power on day 3 between the 2-shot medicine 2-shot jail, and a 1-shot nightkillI hate this phone >:(Duuuude :O[...]
As I said before Tawa had only one shot on the investigate and he (I think it's he, it's the first thing I forget) used it on max spin at N1, I got the medic ability on N3
Did you gain it out of no external intervention?
Post by: Silthuri on February 09, 2018, 01:02:03 pm
Something I'm noticing is that we have a lot of kill powers floating around. Hell, even i have a one shot kill and the ability to take someone down with me. And based on flavor and my other roles, I'm more defensive than offensive.
Everyone! After clarification on the Hilarity Ensues role I have, I'm willing to propose a sort of mass block that I can trigger tonight or any night hereafter if we so desire. I'll provide a more thorough explanation once I'm on a computer. Because it's bloody confusing.
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 09, 2018, 01:27:56 pm
Quick pfpI thought every Hilarity Ensues ability was a joke action that actually did nothing.
Something I'm noticing is that we have a lot of kill powers floating around. Hell, even i have a one shot kill and the ability to take someone down with me. And based on flavor and my other roles, I'm more defensive than offensive.
Everyone! After clarification on the Hilarity Ensues role I have, I'm willing to propose a sort of mass block that I can trigger tonight or any night hereafter if we so desire. I'll provide a more thorough explanation once I'm on a computer. Because it's bloody confusing.
Post by: Rockeater on February 09, 2018, 01:46:58 pm
Quick pfpWhich make it even more suspicious there were only two nightkills
Something I'm noticing is that we have a lot of kill powers floating around. Hell, even i have a one shot kill and the ability to take someone down with me. And based on flavor and my other roles, I'm more defensive than offensive.
Everyone! After clarification on the Hilarity Ensues role I have, I'm willing to propose a sort of mass block that I can trigger tonight or any night hereafter if we so desire. I'll provide a more thorough explanation once I'm on a computer. Because it's bloody confusing.
Post by: juicebox on February 11, 2018, 02:37:30 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 12, 2018, 09:35:27 am
<.<
So N0 was no trope
N1 was Hilarity Ensues; NQT and Moony/Giga died. It is known that Giga killed NQT.
N2 was Unblockable non-shot powers. Nobody died.
N3 was Clock King. Nobody died.
NQT needs to post, because despite me feeling good on him, it's this whole N2 thing that got me concerned (and N3 >_>)
But moreso kingawsume who just disappeared from the game since a few days ago.
Votecount:
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) Silthuri:
(2) *randomgenericusername: kingawsume, juicebox
(0) *Rockeater:
(0) *juicebox:
(1) *The Moonlit Shadow: notquitethere
So we have THIS at the current time here. RGU is going to be lynched; Moonlit is Imic by the way.
I really feel that it is super weird that the SAME person gets 'culty' vibes from a living, then dead, guy >_> If it really was that guy who kept doing it (and in retrospect, MORE detrimental to town that none of that is known in the first place).
Won't be able to post for a while, but I'm voting for The Moonlit Shadow for now. Will explain later.Your 'explanation' disappeared in between that vote and his post here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7686829#msg7686829)
There either is still a cult, or Moony/Giga's skill is being annoying WHILE DEAD. And we've got 2 Mafia running around <_< (as far as I presume); so that doesn't put Sil off the stick if she's been roleblocking everynight.
I'm running town-reading on Rockeater since he didn't pick nightkill-one-shot, and rather a medic hit. Also he was Tawarochir and did somehow, blatantly claim 'Detective' (never mind it was one shot; the mere mention of INVESTIGATOR screams a ton), last DAY 2.
So what we do know is in between then and now, there is RGN being blocked (and something about lawyers), and other people saying stuff about everything.Silthuri: Can you list down who you targeted since the past?Sure.
N0: No one
N1:Imic/Moonlit
N2:Mooney
N3:RGN
Pfp but will hopefully be able to make a substantial post later. If we could also get the communal extension to pop that'd be awesome.
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 12, 2018, 10:05:40 am
I was going to make a post but then didn't because Moonlit Shadow posted, which made me change my reads.Won't be able to post for a while, but I'm voting for The Moonlit Shadow for now. Will explain later.Your 'explanation' disappeared in between that vote and his post here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7686829#msg7686829)
Since I'm going to be lynched I should probably claim.
My role is the Werebear
*I have a 0-shot kill ability. It started with 0 shots and I'm unable to use it.
*My role auto kills someone when I'm lynched but I'll can try to aim it at someone who I think is mafia if I'm actually lynched today.
*I have a watch ability which lets me see how many players visited my target. If my target is killed, I learn their name and gain a shot in my 0-shot kill ability if I watch someone get killed.
*Also, if my kill target survive any of my kill abilities (lynch kill or revenge kill) they have a 50% chance to gain my role and said 2 kill abilities, which is probably a bad thing.
Post by: Tiruin on February 12, 2018, 10:08:34 am
So where was any mention of you 'investigating' people?I was going to make a post but then didn't because Moonlit Shadow posted, which made me change my reads.Won't be able to post for a while, but I'm voting for The Moonlit Shadow for now. Will explain later.Your 'explanation' disappeared in between that vote and his post here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7686829#msg7686829)
Since I'm going to be lynched I should probably claim.
My role is the Werebear
*I have a 0-shot kill ability. It started with 0 shots and I'm unable to use it.
*My role auto kills someone when I'm lynched but I'll can try to aim it at someone who I think is mafia if I'm actually lynched today.
*I have a watch ability which lets me see how many players visited my target. If my target is killed, I learn their name and gain a shot in my 0-shot kill ability if I watch someone get killed.
*Also, if my kill target survive any of my kill abilities (lynch kill or revenge kill) they have a 50% chance to gain my role and said 2 kill abilities, which is probably a bad thing.
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 12, 2018, 10:28:45 am
??? I don't understand the question.So where was any mention of you 'investigating' people?I was going to make a post but then didn't because Moonlit Shadow posted, which made me change my reads.Won't be able to post for a while, but I'm voting for The Moonlit Shadow for now. Will explain later.Your 'explanation' disappeared in between that vote and his post here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7686829#msg7686829)
Since I'm going to be lynched I should probably claim.
My role is the Werebear
*I have a 0-shot kill ability. It started with 0 shots and I'm unable to use it.
*My role auto kills someone when I'm lynched but I'll can try to aim it at someone who I think is mafia if I'm actually lynched today.
*I have a watch ability which lets me see how many players visited my target. If my target is killed, I learn their name and gain a shot in my 0-shot kill ability if I watch someone get killed.
*Also, if my kill target survive any of my kill abilities (lynch kill or revenge kill) they have a 50% chance to gain my role and said 2 kill abilities, which is probably a bad thing.
First night I visited Maximum Spin and used my investigative ability, but he had the weird delayed randomization power
Also I want to note that last night I got a very nasty headache. No idea what that is. Might be a role with mind powers or something, I don't really know.The next night I was randomized to myself.
I'll think it would be better to wait until FoU becomes online and processes my action. I don't know what happened yet.
Also, during the night I was randomized to myself. For some reason I also learned that no one visited me (other than me).
I tried to visit Imic. Now I'm wondering how did I get randomized if no one visited me.
I think Imic might have had an ability that randomizes whoever visits him. How did he get roleblocked? Nothig of this makes sense.
I wanted to see if anyone visited you, but I got randomized and directed to myself. What I find weird is that no one visited me, which made me think that you have an ability that randomized me that triggered when I tried to visit you. Which contradicts with your claim of being roleblocked. Do you have a randomizing ability?Doesn't this confirms that I said the truth because I didn't knew about the Cthulhu role?
Post by: Tiruin on February 12, 2018, 10:40:54 am
There was nothing claimed regarding any 'investigative' ability.??? I don't understand the question.So where was any mention of you 'investigating' people?I was going to make a post but then didn't because Moonlit Shadow posted, which made me change my reads.Won't be able to post for a while, but I'm voting for The Moonlit Shadow for now. Will explain later.Your 'explanation' disappeared in between that vote and his post here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168550.msg7686829#msg7686829)
Since I'm going to be lynched I should probably claim.
My role is the Werebear
*I have a 0-shot kill ability. It started with 0 shots and I'm unable to use it.
*My role auto kills someone when I'm lynched but I'll can try to aim it at someone who I think is mafia if I'm actually lynched today.
*I have a watch ability which lets me see how many players visited my target. If my target is killed, I learn their name and gain a shot in my 0-shot kill ability if I watch someone get killed.
*Also, if my kill target survive any of my kill abilities (lynch kill or revenge kill) they have a 50% chance to gain my role and said 2 kill abilities, which is probably a bad thing.
First night I visited Maximum Spin and used my investigative ability, but he had the weird delayed randomization power
And yes that does :P But it can also tie in very well with being Mafia in the manner of you probably mentioning a power off your teammate instead of something you have in that claimlist... :v
Because I see no 'investigative ability' present at all in that "fullclaim".
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 12, 2018, 11:26:37 am
*I have a watch ability which lets me see how many players visited my target. If my target is killed, I learn their name and gain a shot in my 0-shot kill ability if I watch someone get killed.
Post by: Tiruin on February 12, 2018, 11:35:55 am
Anyway, looking back, I'd rather go for Gosh Dang it to Heck because it looks as innocent as Hilarity Ensues. :v
Usually 'investigative' (at least for me? I think it's a general term too) means 'any ability that lets you know more, directly, about the target'. Watchers/Trackers or their abilities are in a whole other category, since their base ability just lets you know who visited whom, or who your target visited, and that's it. :P
>_>
RGU: What's your insight to the current situation?
Silthuri: If either RGU or juicebox dies, who would you suspect?
NQT: Where are you? :P
kingawsume: You are where? o_O
Rockeater: I'd like you to aim to protect someone you trust there; personally, I'd say NQT because (at least from my bias thanks to BHK), he's trustworthy. That and Giga/Moony poked him with death-charges because of some strange D2ness. :V Or Sil. Your pick.
Still bloody weary about the setup though. >_>
Post by: randomgenericusername on February 12, 2018, 12:22:31 pm
RGU: What's your insight to the current situation?I'm going to be lynched soon and I'm not sure who to target with the autokill. I am not entirelly sure about anything anymore :-\
Post by: kingawsume on February 12, 2018, 12:28:28 pm
kingawsume: You are where? o_ODed IRL. Flu made it's rounds last week and hit me in the tail end. Sick all weekend, didn't get out of bed until this morning.
Post by: kingawsume on February 12, 2018, 12:31:34 pm
Also Fallacy, can we get a vote count? Just the trope votes, if that'd make it easier for you.
Post by: Silthuri on February 12, 2018, 03:42:48 pm
Quick pfpI thought every Hilarity Ensues ability was a joke action that actually did nothing.
Something I'm noticing is that we have a lot of kill powers floating around. Hell, even i have a one shot kill and the ability to take someone down with me. And based on flavor and my other roles, I'm more defensive than offensive.
Everyone! After clarification on the Hilarity Ensues role I have, I'm willing to propose a sort of mass block that I can trigger tonight or any night hereafter if we so desire. I'll provide a more thorough explanation once I'm on a computer. Because it's bloody confusing.
So my action does something, but it has the potential to cause an absolute clusterfuck if used in the wrong way. I'll explain.
I have the ability to cause a mass block via my Hilarity Ensues power.
The power is called Everyone is Me and it allows me to force everyone to use the power I used last night (my abduct power). However, anyone killed on the night I use Everyone is Me as a result of my abduct power, they will revive. If I were to force everyone to use a delay kill, which I can't because I've used only my abduct ability this entire game, people killed after the night I used Everyone is Me would stay dead. Can we see what a pile of nope that is?
So yeah. That's what I want to do. If no one's against it, that's what I'm going to do tonight. Might as well.
I don't want to fullclaim yet because I think defense works best when it's not anticipated and I do have a few tricks up my sleeve.
Silthuri: If either RGU or juicebox dies, who would you suspect?
I am unsure as to what exactly you want here. Are we talking lynched or night killed? Because I'd have to know the flips to decide who to suspect following their deaths. And if I may, you're a bit... I don't want to say flail-y but you're all over the place. Especially with your focus on the investigative role that you don't think is investigative. Now, I've trusted you up until recently when you started to appear flail-y, but I'm kinda... iffy. I'm actually inclined to trust RGU because he claimed his investigative role immediately and the randomize, IIRC, has been explained. I'll have to look back, but I don't recall you acknowledging how he told the truth at these points.
Then you claim you're suspicious about NQT, yet say you trust him and Rockeater should use their protect on NQT because you trust him. Explain this inconstancy plz.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 12, 2018, 09:03:55 pm
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) Silthuri:
(2) *randomgenericusername: kingawsume, juicebox
(0) *Rockeater:
(0) *juicebox:
(1) *The Moonlit Shadow: notquitethere
Not voting: Silthuri, randomgenericusername, Rockeater, The Moonlit Shadow
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(2) Gosh Dang It To Heck: Silthuri, Tiruin
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks: kingawsume
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(5) Jumping The Shark: randomgenericusername, notquitethere, Rockeater, juicebox, kingawsume
Not voting: The Moonlit Shadow
Trope in Effect: Clock King: The players will have 24 hours to elect a Clock King before night starts. The Clock King must then select what order the players will act in before the night ends.
Day 4 will end Monday 9:00 P.M. Central/Forum time(1 minute from now). The day's communal extension has been used.
Well, technically, it's day end now, but I started work on the vote count before day ended, so if anyone wants to do a last minute personal extension, like, right now...
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 12, 2018, 10:11:57 pm
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) Silthuri:
(2) *randomgenericusername: kingawsume, juicebox
(0) *Rockeater:
(0) *juicebox:
(1) *The Moonlit Shadow: notquitethere
Not voting: Silthuri, randomgenericusername, Rockeater, The Moonlit Shadow
In the end, it was decided that randomgenericusername would be lynched. The L.Y.N.C.H. spat out a volley of gleaming silver bullets, striking down randomgenericusername.
randomgenericusername was Werebear(town)
(1-Shot, Auto): Bears Are Bad News: If you are lynched, you may choose a player voting you to kill as vengeance.
(0-Shot, Night): Rampage [target]: You kill your target. You do not receive night action results the night you use this ability.
(Night): Lurking Bear [target]: You learn how many players visited your target. If anyone visiting your target uses a kill action on them, you learn their name and gain a shot of Rampage.
(Auto): Infectious: If someone survives being hit by a kill action you use, there is a 50% chance that their role changes completely to become Werebear, though their alignment won’t change.
(1-Shot, Day, Hilarity Ensues): You’re Queen Now [target]: Your target gains (Auto): Queen of Canada: You are the Queen of Canada.
With a cry of rage, randomgenericusername swelled into the form of a bear, dying but vengeful. He fell upon juicebox, who was promptly torn to shreds.
juicebox was Ratatouille(mafia)
(Auto): Delicious Scent: Players who visit you or anyone you visit during the night smell a heavenly scent of French food(literal and figurative flavor).
(Night): Eat Me [target]: If your target is using a single-target action, their target is changed to you. If you are killed the night you use this ability, the alignment of any players who killed you becomes your alignment(if possible) if it would not result in game end.
(1-Shot, X): French Food Convention [targets]: You use your delicious scent to host a French food convention. For the duration of the phase you use this in, your targets and yourself are removed from the game and attend a French food convention. After the phase ends, all players effected by this ability return to the game and all players affected by this ability other than you gain one shot of Secret French Cooking Arts.
(1-Shot, Day, Hilarity Ensues): Villain Song: Can only be used if you are mafia or mafia-ally. PM the mod a song taunting the town for their failure and it shall be posted for you. If you are killed by mafia while you possess this unused ability, the mafia player that killed you receives this ability(and it’s removed from your role).
(Reference): (1-Shot, Night): Secret French Cooking Arts [self]: You cook a delicious meal for yourself, granting yourself enough energy for an additional action next night.
Randomgenericusername licked his lips, then fell still.
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(2) Gosh Dang It To Heck: Silthuri, Tiruin
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks: kingawsume
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(3) Jumping The Shark: notquitethere, Rockeater, kingawsume
Not voting: The Moonlit Shadow
By a considerably reduced margin, it was decided to Jump the Shark. Reality promptly exploded into light and game show introductions.
"Hello, I'm your host Null Nevermore! Welcome to the Sharkjumper Carnival! In this carnival, you shall have a chance to earn fabulous prizes while having a blast! I'll let our mascot explain the rules!"
Beat.
"Nowhere-er, Jumpy, get out here!"
A rather forlorn man in a shark costume walked out of a dimensional portal, cleared his throat, and explained...
Trope: Jumping the Shark: The next night and day are replaced with a single Sharkjumper Carnival phase. Each player gains a Sharkjumper ability which are the only abilities that can be activated in a Sharkjumper Carnival phase, and can only be used in a Sharkjumper Carnival phase.
The Sharkjumper Carnival phase contains 5 minigames and an intermission between each minigame. Minigames all have means of earning Carnival Points within.
Action success in the Sharkjumper Carnival phase is dependent on d10 rolls, with higher being better and lower being worse.
Death in the Sharkjumper Carnival phase is not permanent. Death in the Sharkjumper Carnival phase lasts(with possible exceptions) until the end of the current minigame.
When all the minigames are complete, living players may spend their Carnival Points in the Sharkjumper Shop, gaining abilities for use outside the Sharkjumper Carnival phase.
Information on each minigame is revealed upon its start.
The items for sale in the Sharkjumper Shop will have their flavor revealed when all the minigames are complete. When multiple players want to buy an item from the Sharkjumper Shop, the player who offers the highest amount of Carnival Points to buy it receives the item and learns its game effects at the end of the Sharkjumper Carnival phase. Players who do not receive an item still lose the points they bid. In the event of a tie, a random player who tied for the item gets it. Items may only be purchased from the Sharkjumper Shop via PM.
Just like that, the six remaining players became contestants in a game show.
((I'll send out Sharkjumper abilities tomorrow. Feel free to chat in the meantime.))
Post by: Tiruin on February 13, 2018, 04:48:13 am
Then you claim you're suspicious about NQT, yet say you trust him and Rockeater should use their protect on NQT because you trust him. Explain this inconstancy plz.Suspicious because of assuming 2 player
The trust is because BHK's message pretty much told him everything about me. :P And due to the fact that I'm still a bleedin' live, I do believe he's not Mafia. (else, y'know, it's all a late-day bait and I die last :v but that's super risky)
Anywhoo, looks like THIS NIGHT and NEXT DAY is all Trope-funtime, and we push aside all dem mafia rules in favor of the trope (no editing posts still).
FOU: Do we still get to vote for a trope? Is anyone present, still able to use their non-tropey abilities (sans Hilarity Ensues)? [Meaning: Can we do our role night/day actions, if any :V While having fun at the carnival?]
Because I'm suspecting the BLOODY CULT WILL OVERTAKE THE FOLKS ALIVE (I wouldn't be talking like this if cult'd :v because that's boasting and hah TRY ME CULT)
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notquitethere:...Wow we're only 6 people left. 1 Mafia. 1 Town AT LEAST, and 4 people who can be town or bloody cult. I'm presuming TWO because it has to start somewhere, and N2 non-shot unblockability.
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) Silthuri:
(0) *Rockeater:
(0) *The Moonlit Shadow:
That said, the MAFIA is our best buddy right now to face the bloody cult. -.-
BUT I HAVE A GUN AND I KNOW HOW TO USE IT SO TRY RECRUITING ME!
]/twitch]
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(Night): Eat Me [target]: If your target is using a single-target action, their target is changed to you. If you are killed the night you use this ability, the alignment of any players who killed you becomes your alignment(if possible) if it would not result in game end.Wow.
This is beautiful.
Post by: Rockeater on February 13, 2018, 05:18:41 am
Post by: Rockeater on February 13, 2018, 08:57:40 am
If it does and we assume The moonlight shadow say the truth on rejecting them twice we still have a cult leader and two cultists in the game
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 13, 2018, 10:04:19 am
FOU: Do we still get to vote for a trope? Is anyone present, still able to use their non-tropey abilities (sans Hilarity Ensues)? [Meaning: Can we do our role night/day actions, if any :V While having fun at the carnival?]
Tropes can only be voted for during the day, and this is the Sharkjumper phase. The abilities you have in your role right now don't function during the Sharkjumper Carnival, but each of you will receive a Sharkjumper ability that will function during the carnival.
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You should have all received your Sharkjumper abilities.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 13, 2018, 06:29:18 pm
Rockeater's dead body fell to the ground, landing on Null's foot.
"Well then. He should revive shortly... why isn't he coming back to life?"
Rockeater has been killed.
Null jabbed his sword into Rockeater's body and frowned.
"Well, based on my scan it looks like Rockeater will be sitting out the Sharkjumper Carnival. He should come back to life once it's finished, though."
Post by: kingawsume on February 13, 2018, 07:55:01 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 13, 2018, 10:30:40 pm
...Okay, so...does anyone have a revive power? :v
I mean OTHER than the fact that people are still 1 Mafia left, and cult, this bit is to have fun
Is there going to be any public posting at all or are you all going to be passive yet again
Post by: Tiruin on February 14, 2018, 07:27:01 am
Did the minigame start or... What.Indeed >_> It is night so...pretty much waiting for stuffs. I did get an ability but going to ask for claiming it in public won't do given it's only one thing. :V
I mean we can post at night--so let's get to tomorrow's dayhunting shall we?
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(0) *notquitethere:Six dudes, Mafia down, 1 left (presumably, else we're fighting cult -.-)
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) Silthuri:
(0) *Rockeater:
(0) *The Moonlit Shadow:
With 3 nights passed, presuming all is passed and done, we have THREE cultists, give or take 1. I am not a cultist because I'm being all blatant and annoyingly conspicuous about discussing them (if anyone wishes to discuss whether I am a cultist, please do >_> But I'm still awaiting NQT's massclaim and stuff :V).
Anyway, 1:5, on the 6/6 people, at least, is the only barrier between cult winning, too.
SOMEHOW, if the cult is at least 3+, there is...a complete lack of activity (meaning that they either would love passivity or just a boring game to score a technical win). I'm presuming otherwise given Sil's blockade network, and other people's claims.
Rockeater: Can you post? I will presume you cannot if you do not post (due to somehow being killed straight off?); if there's anything you can speak about, please do tell.
I really think this trope mechanic needs at LEAST some semblance to balancing the timing as it can favor timezones over others.
But it is a non-lethal trope, with the possible benefits of boosting someone by the time it ends (eg FoU's time, probably next Monday).
Anyway, looking back--I'm presuming juicebox was the killer-type, as most of his roles (OTHER than that fancy dinner) seem less useful by themselves. Did anyone target juicebox or was redirected to him? I don't recall anyone claiming they got french food convention'd so it's safe to say it's either used purely with the scumbuddy, or it was never used.
Nor did anyone claim anything about french food in my memory so nobody even decided to touch juicebox. ._.; I'd be voting either TMS or kingawsume at that point unless further details roll forth; there is EXTREMELY LITTLE in the way of day-attitude that went to help me see this out (that and my leaning on NQT is still present because if he was Mafia, I'd be dead :v since he knew since N1 who I am, what I can do), and people only knew at a point in time where I actually gained something to help myself, so woo.
Everyone: Are you going to use this speechful night to hunt scum or what?
Post by: kingawsume on February 14, 2018, 08:36:02 am
Post by: Tiruin on February 15, 2018, 08:55:06 pm
But more to the case, there are no minigames or FoU didn't post any! He's been away for 2 days so it may either be eating him that he didn't do that, or he's sick and I hope he's okay. Either way I hope he's okay. :-[
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 16, 2018, 06:38:45 pm
But more to the case, there are no minigames or FoU didn't post any! He's been away for 2 days so it may either be eating him that he didn't do that, or he's sick and I hope he's okay. Either way I hope he's okay. :-[I'm okay. I was just hoping to give you guys a chance to discuss the sudden death of Rockeater.
Expect first minigame information shortly.
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"Alright then! Jumpy is feeling shy right now, so I'll explain the first minigame! Now pay attention!"
The first minigame is Team Deathmatch. The players are divided into two teams of equal players, and will fight in an arena until only players of one team remain. The winning team’s players(the team with players remaining) all receive bonuses of 10 Carnival Points apiece. Each player who kills another player is rewarded with 5 Carnival Points per kill. If there is an odd number of players, one player will be selected and will not participate in Team Deathmatch. The non-participating player may place a bet on which team will win, and if they call it right, they will gain 10 Carnival Points.
"In order to balance the teams, kingawsume will not be participating. He'll still get an opportunity to earn points, though..."
"Now for the teams! Tiruin and Silthuri will face off against notquitethere and The Moonlit Shadow! Feel free to come up with your own team names!"
"Er... give me a minute. I'll make sure notquitethere is ready to play before we begin."
Post by: Tiruin on February 16, 2018, 11:19:11 pm
Oh.But more to the case, there are no minigames or FoU didn't post any! He's been away for 2 days so it may either be eating him that he didn't do that, or he's sick and I hope he's okay. Either way I hope he's okay. :-[I'm okay. I was just hoping to give you guys a chance to discuss the sudden death of Rockeater.
I was presuming it was a kill done by day-timing
The first minigame is Team Deathmatch. The players are divided into two teams of equal players, and will fight in an arena until only players of one team remain. The winning team’s players(the team with players remaining) all receive bonuses of 10 Carnival Points apiece. Each player who kills another player is rewarded with 5 Carnival Points per kill. If there is an odd number of players, one player will be selected and will not participate in Team Deathmatch. The non-participating player may place a bet on which team will win, and if they call it right, they will gain 10 Carnival Points.Can we go for instructions as we wait on NQT?
"In order to balance the teams, kingawsume will not be participating. He'll still get an opportunity to earn points, though..."
"Now for the teams! Tiruin and Silthuri will face off against notquitethere and The Moonlit Shadow! Feel free to come up with your own team names!"
"Er... give me a minute. I'll make sure notquitethere is ready to play before we begin."
Post by: notquitethere on February 17, 2018, 11:43:11 am
Let's fight!!!
Post by: kingawsume on February 17, 2018, 02:49:22 pm
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Post by: kingawsume on February 17, 2018, 02:50:36 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 17, 2018, 04:14:53 pm
Where would I make this bet? PM you, or in the forum?In the forum.
Can we go for instructions as we wait on NQT?
Minigame information:
The first minigame is Team Deathmatch. The players are divided into two teams of equal players, and will fight in an arena until only players of one team remain. The winning team’s players(the team with players remaining) all receive bonuses of 10 Carnival Points apiece. Each player who kills another player is rewarded with 5 Carnival Points per kill. If there is an odd number of players, one player will be selected and will not participate in Team Deathmatch. The non-participating player may place a bet on which team will win, and if they call it right, they will gain 10 Carnival Points.
If you meant roll information, we're using a d10 system for this. Higher rolls mean better results. Attacks are made by rolling your d10 against your opponent, once for accuracy and if you hit, again for damage. If your accuracy roll is more than 5 greater than the opponent's dodge roll or is a natural 10, you gain a bonus to damage equal to the difference between your accuracy roll and your opponent's dodge roll. If your accuracy roll is more than 5 less than the opponent's dodge roll or your opponent's dodge roll is a natural 10, they can launch a counterattack immediately.
Weapons will be provided.
Post by: kingawsume on February 18, 2018, 12:07:35 am
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Post by: Tiruin on February 18, 2018, 05:57:28 am
I still have no idea what to do and how to act despite the theme and 'paired deathmatch' idea.
We've till Tuesday to wrap this up. >_>
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 19, 2018, 09:51:14 am
Ready! Set! Fight!
((Please submit actions in thread if you're not using a Sharkjumper ability. If you are using a Sharkjumper ability, please say PM sent! or such in the thread. To keep your actions secret, you may use spoiler tags.))
We've till Tuesday to wrap this up. >_>
((Not quite. Deadlines are a bit more... not present in the Sharkjumper phase. Let's get this done.))
Post by: Tiruin on February 19, 2018, 10:01:48 am
I'm presuming teammates can see each others' spoilers :v
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I'm STILL gunning for you Kingawsume, when we get back to Mafia D:<
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 19, 2018, 10:04:32 am
I'm presuming teammates can see each others' spoilers :vGo right ahead for this minigame.
Post by: Silthuri on February 19, 2018, 11:59:34 am
We are Team Awesome!
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Post by: notquitethere on February 19, 2018, 05:19:08 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 20, 2018, 12:53:00 pm
INIT:
notquitethere(52)
Silthuri(35)
The Moonlit Shadow(50)
Tiruin(50)
notquitethere focused, calling upon his power. Out of the sky came 3 suited agents brandishing handguns, landing in a triangle formation around him.
The Moonlit Shadow and Tiruin broke into a run, but with different targets.
Tiruin charged The Moonlit Shadow, brandishing her fist. The Moonlit Shadow, on the other hand, was running at the wall of the arena and...
Climb!(6)
Leaped up. While she made good progress, she was too slow to escape Tiruin.
Not Getting Away!(3)
Tiruin leaped up at Moonlit and received a kick to the face for her trouble. Moonlit, meanwhile, reached the top of the arena wall, and entered the audience section.
Claiming a Weapon!(3)
Surely, the dwarves had weapons! They did! The problem was that the dwarves had no intention of giving them up. At least they were busy fighting the Spawn of Holistic.
Silthuri mimicked Tiruin but with a different target.
Fist!(2) vs. Bodyguard!(7) and Evade!(9)
Silthuri charged towards Tiruin only to be arm-locked by one of the agents. Notquitethere for his part did an excellent backflip to escape from the punch that never came. His legs shot up in the air and struck at Silthuri.
Backflipkick!(6) vs. Evade!(2-2(armlock)=0) -> Backflipkick!(5+6(accuracy against dodge)=11) vs. Withstand!(10)
Notquitethere's kick could have broken the jaw of a lesser opponent, but Silthuri managed to block the absurdly strong kick with her arm, only receiving a small bruise for her trouble.
Post by: notquitethere on February 20, 2018, 06:37:31 pm
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 20, 2018, 09:22:55 pm
I have no idea what you did anymore with the rules, FOU. :VIf there's anything confusing, quote it and I'll explain it.
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2018, 09:24:50 pm
I'm staring at Sil's post. She...didn't write to go after me.I have no idea what you did anymore with the rules, FOU. :VIf there's anything confusing, quote it and I'll explain it.
Also what's with the parentheses rolls?
I really feel like NQT knows more than we do @_@ Oh no!
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 20, 2018, 09:29:00 pm
I'm staring at Sil's post. She...didn't write to go after me.
Also what's with the parentheses rolls?
Who goes first is determined by a d100 roll per person. You and Moonlit got an equal roll this turn, so you went at the same time. Silthuri got a lower roll than you, so she went after. If she got a higher roll than you but her action said wait for you to act, she would wait until you acted to act.
I show what I rolled for each action, along with the other difficulty and boost factors, in parentheses.
Post by: Silthuri on February 20, 2018, 09:35:46 pm
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Plz be gentle. I bruise easily.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 21, 2018, 10:02:08 am
INIT:
notquitethere(96)
Silthuri(57)
The Moonlit Shadow(37)
Tiruin(33)
notquitethere grinned, and gave an order to his special agents.
Bruise!(1) vs. Evade!(6-2(armlock)=4)
The special agents all rushed forwards towards Silthuri. She should have been easy pickings. Instead they all tripped over each other and fell, releasing her arm lock.
Silthuri promptly took advantage and ran off, looking at TMS in the audience section.
Climb!(9)
With far more agility than TMS herself managed, Silthuri ran up the wall and climbed into the audience section of the arena.
Surprise Attack!(4) vs. Evade!(9)
Silthuri shouted a battle cry and threw a punch. Perhaps the battlecry was a bit much, as Moonlit easily evaded the punch.
The Moonlit Shadow ignored Moonlit and looked over the audience's fight.
Looting The Dead!(6)
And there! Moonlit rushed in and grabbed a steel dagger from a fallen dwarf, narrowly avoiding the Spawn who killed him.
Tiruin had an easier target in mind. She walked over to the center of the arena and grabbed the greataxe there, unnoticed by everyone else. It gleamed dark in the arena's light. This was a great weapon, for sure.
She then used what time she had left to attempt to climb the arena wall again.
Climb!(2-2(cumbersome weapon)=0)
Tiruin leaped up at the wall, missed the handhold, and fell on her head.
Resist Head Damage!(10)
Tiruin was promptly struck by brilliance! She eyed the axe with a new eye, seeing its true potential. Her head didn't even hurt! (Brilliance: roll twice and take the better roll for damage and accuracy for next attack)
Post by: Tiruin on February 21, 2018, 10:09:46 am
Because that IS STILL GAME RELEVANT even for those who are DEAD.
I dunno about if you died though, can you still speak?
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I thought this was a simple dice vs dice on people. Not people versus the environment! :V
Post by: Silthuri on February 21, 2018, 03:32:50 pm
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Post by: notquitethere on February 21, 2018, 05:31:08 pm
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 21, 2018, 08:17:16 pm
INIT:
notquitethere(62)
Silthuri(38)
The Moonlit Shadow(29)
Tiruin(76)
Tiruin would not be daunted! She had an axe and knew how to use it! If only she could climb the arena wall...
Climb!(5-2(unwieldy weapon)=3)
Her amazing axe, though, kept her from easily climbing the wall. Still, though, multiple attempts were leading to a better understanding of the wall(+2 to next climb roll)
notquitethere decided that he would handle Silthuri himself!
... well, first he needed to climb the wall into the audience section of the arena.
Climb!(5)
Slowly but surely, notquitethere scaled the wall... but it took him the whole turn.
Agents Climb!(3)
Somehow, trained special agents were even worse at climbing than notquitethere was, failing to make any progress.
Silthuri thought Moonlit's decision to get weapons wise. She would try for that herself.
Weapons!(8.)
A short distance away, a dwarf fell, and Silthuri ran in, claimed the dwarf's steel mace and shield, and bashed the Spawn who killed the dwarf on the head.
Sic TMS!(7) vs. Evade!(10)
Moonlit had been watching Silthuri's scavenging, and was more than ready for the attack, easily dodging and promptly stabbing in retaliation.
Stab!(1) vs. Evade!(4)
Moonlit had never used a dagger before, though, and ended up dropping it on her foot.
Resist!(7)
Luckily, she was wearing shoes. There was a little blood, but nothing to be worried about.
Moonlit took her own planned action, claiming the dagger once more.
Stab!(10) vs. Block!(9)
In an absolutely brilliant manner, Moonlit struck around Silthuri's raised shield.
Stab!(5+1(10-9=1)=6) vs. Resist!(3)
The dagger cut into Silthuri's arm, leaving a rather nasty gash.
Dwarves!(2) vs. Spawn!(2)
The dwarves, overall, were rather panicked, but the Spawn were absurdly slow to take advantage.
Post by: Tiruin on February 21, 2018, 08:32:42 pm
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Post by: Silthuri on February 22, 2018, 03:07:22 pm
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 22, 2018, 09:55:47 pm
INIT:
notquitethere(94)
Silthuri(70)
The Moonlit Shadow(30)
Tiruin(31)
notquitethere hadn't let that wall stop him, and hopefully his agents would be joining him soon! Meanwhile, though...
Flying Kick!(10) vs. Dodge!(6)
Notquitethere leaped into the air and came down at Silthuri, before she could dodge!
Flying Kick!(4+4(10-6=4) = 8.) vs. Resist!(8.)
Notquitethere's kick slammed into Silthuri's shield, ending up harmless.
Agents Climb!(3)
The special agents seemed to be debating the best way to climb the arena wall.
Silthuri kept on her guard. Hm, Tiruin still hadn't made it up yet...
Aid!(7)
Silthuri reached down, offering Tiruin her arm. (+2 to climb roll)
Tiruin tried to climb the blasted wall again!
Climb!(9-2(unwieldy weapon)+2(experience)+2(arm)=11)
Tiruin had no trouble this time. She didn't think that she would be having any more issues with this wall, really. (experience bonus permanent)
Axe!(8, 8 = 8.) vs. Evade!(10)
Tiruin leaped forwards at Moonlit, who smiled and weaved out of the way, promptly counterattacking with her dagger.
Stab!(8.) vs. Dodge!(10)
The dagger stabbed out, striking Tiruin's axe in her second swing and getting knocked out of the way.
Axe!(4) vs. Evade!(8.)
The axe struck against the ground, breaking concrete. That was a nasty edge, but Moonlit managed to avoid it.
Moonlit had a different target in mind than Tiruin.
Distract!(6)
Moonlit waved her knife at Silthuri, aiming to distract her from notquitethere. Maybe it was successful? Silthuri didn't look too fooled. (-1 to dodge notquitethere's next attack)
Post by: Tiruin on February 22, 2018, 10:01:31 pm
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Post by: Silthuri on February 22, 2018, 10:09:38 pm
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Post by: notquitethere on February 23, 2018, 06:44:09 am
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 26, 2018, 10:46:04 am
INIT:
notquitethere(98)
Silthuri(72)
The Moonlit Shadow(84)
Tiruin(70)
notquitethere noted that his agents were having climbing issues...
Aid!(4)
notquitethere reached down, but in the end, could only help one of the three agents.
Climb!(7(7+1 for one))
In the end, though, it wasn't really necessary. The agents finally managed to scale the arena wall.
Loot!(9)
notquitethere noticed a gleaming blue sword on the ground next to a fallen dwarf. Could it be... an adamantine short sword? Notquitethere claimed the brilliant blue weapon and rushed Silthuri!
Slash!(7) vs. Dodge!(9-1(distraction)=8)
Silthuri figured that she was being mislead, and promptly stepped out of the way of notquitethere's attack.
The Moonlit Shadow moved to take a position next to notquitethere, aiming to help her ally.
Meatshield!(9)
Moonlit picked up a lightweight dwarf, a dead one, while she was at it, and used it as a human(dwarven?) shield.
Silthuri returned notquitethere's attack.
Bludgeon!(2) vs. Evade!(3)
Notquitethere didn't really notice Silthuri's attack, but it wasn't like she landed the hit.
Tiruin was frustrated with how long the fight was taking, and brandished her axe!
Axe!(1) vs. Evade!(1)
Tiebreak!(TMS)
Tiruin swung her axe through the air and brought it down on her own foot.
Damage!(10+2=12)
There wasn't much of a foot anymore for Tiruin. Then the pain hit and Tiruin fell prone.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 26, 2018, 12:40:28 pm
Hmm, I feel like I should've gotten some sort of meatshield bonus :PFor carrying a dwarf? Sure, a bonus to damage resistance... but dodging? While carrying a heavy dwarf? Hmmm...
Tell you what, if you like I can give you a minus 2 penalty to dodge.
Post by: notquitethere on February 26, 2018, 12:43:49 pm
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Post by: Tiruin on February 26, 2018, 09:33:15 pm
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Axe!(1) vs. Evade!(1):V
Tiebreak!(TMS)
Tiruin swung her axe through the air and brought it down on her own foot.
I DON'T EVEN THIS MINIGAME
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Post by: Silthuri on February 26, 2018, 10:25:27 pm
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 27, 2018, 09:32:40 pm
INIT:
notquitethere(75)
Silthuri(95)
The Moonlit Shadow(43)
Tiruin(92)
Silthuri thought notquitethere needed some noggin-bashing.
Noggin-bashing!(6) vs. Bodyguarding!(6) and Evade!(5)
Silthuri swung her steel mace at notquitethere, who couldn't quite get out of the way fast enough... but then one of his agents got in the way! Or at least his head did. Long story short, notquitethere had one less agent but wasn't harmed himself.
Tiruin was growing frustrated with notquitethere's continued survival!
Hurl!(6) vs. Bodyguarding!(2) and Evade!(8)
Tiruin stumbled to her foot, raised her massive possibly magical axe above her head and chucked it at notquitethere. His bodyguards didn't notice, but he did, and sidestepped the attack.
notquitethere didn't like that Silthuri attacked him.
Sword!(8) vs. Block!(8)
Notquitethere whirled his sword round and clanged it against Silthuri's shield...
Gunshots!(5) vs. Block!(6)
Which distracted Silthuri from notquitethere's handgun-using agents not long enough for her to deflect the shots with her shield.
The Moonlit Shadow opted to take a more defensive role/roll, covering for notquitethere(whatever that meant).
Post by: Tiruin on February 27, 2018, 11:22:33 pm
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Post by: Silthuri on February 28, 2018, 02:47:31 pm
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Post by: notquitethere on February 28, 2018, 03:59:17 pm
The length of this "minigame" is unexpected. What am I doing in the meantime? Sitting in limbo? Having a beer?Yeah, man, this game really jumped the shark.
Post by: Tiruin on February 28, 2018, 11:14:00 pm
Yep x.x Unsure as to how many actions we could do, what we could do, etc. No auto attack, and there was environmental stuff.The length of this "minigame" is unexpected. What am I doing in the meantime? Sitting in limbo? Having a beer?Yeah, man, this game really jumped the shark.
And there's even a second round for kingawsume and other folks too maybe. :V
THese tropes, yo.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 04, 2018, 03:43:55 pm
Turn 7: Slow Fighting, Gifts To Speed It Up
INIT:
notquitethere(24)
Silthuri(95)
The Moonlit Shadow(91)
Tiruin(63)
Silthuri continued to attempt to bash NQT on the head.
Bash!(1) vs. Evade!(4) and Bodyguarding!(2)
Silthuri raised her mace over her head... and it slipped through her grasp, rendering the utter failure of NQT's bodyguards to bodyguard unimportant.
The Moonlit Shadow noticed Tiruin was now weaponless. This was a golden opportunity!
Stab!(7) vs. Evade!(4-2(missing a foot)=2)
The knife shot towards Tiruin. Nothing could go wrong! There was no escape for someone missing a foot!
Stab!(1) vs. Withstand!(3)
Moonlit's hand cramped and she dropped the dagger.
Tiruin took the opportunity granted by Moonlit being so close.
Fling!(5) vs. Evade!(4)
Moonlit almost got out of the way. Almost.
Dagger!(4) vs. Withstand!(9)
The dagger came down, only to be caught in Moonlit's hand. Somehow.
notquitethere roared like a shark and swung his blade!
Sword!(4) vs. Evade!(10)
His bloodlust made him careless, however. Silthuri smirked and stuck out her leg...
Counterattack!(7) vs. Evade!(8)
NQT narrowly evaded the leg that would have sent him flying off the audience section.
Gunshots!(4) vs. Block!(4) (Tiebreak: Agents)
Several gunshots rang out from NQT's remaining agents. Silthuri blocked most of them with her shield, but one made it through...
Bullet!(4) vs. Resist!(4)
And barely grazed Silthuri.
Dwarves(4) vs. Spawn!(8)
Suffice it to say that most of the dwarves were rather dead. A few remaining legends stood tall, but would not hold out forever.
"Y'know, this is taking a while, isn't it... I know exactly what to do!"
Each of the players felt something in their pockets. A phial. Notquitethere found a green phial in his pocket, Silthuri found a silver phial in her pocket, Moonlit found a green phial in her pocket, and Tiruin found a red phial in her pocket. Kingawsume found a black phial in his pocket, though he didn't really need it. Maybe someone else could use it...
"These weapon oils will seriously increase the lethality of your weapons, in addition to removing rust and bloodstains. Have fun!"
Post by: Tiruin on March 05, 2018, 12:24:58 am
Y'know, so people may not fall into the loop of wondering if to defend or not--so both defend and attack actions have a purpose.
So we can get this trope over with and lynch someone tomorrow D:<
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 05, 2018, 09:47:33 pm
INIT:
notquitethere(11)
Silthuri(48)
The Moonlit Shadow(7)
Tiruin(44)
kingawsume(28)
Silthuri poured her silver vial over her mace, causing it to take on a silver gleam.
Mace!(4) vs. Evade!(9) and Bodyguarding!(5)
Silthuri swung her mace through the air, but NQT easily moved out of the way.
Tiruin disregarded her dagger and poured her vial all over her fists and foot. They promptly burst into flame.
Withstand!(6)
Having magical flaming fists was all well and good, but Tiruin could still feel the burn.
Fire Fist!(4) vs. Evade!(5)
Tiruin's flaming punch just barely missed Moonlit.
kingawsume realized there was something he could do without getting into the fight. Kingawsume started a cheerleading routine aimed at Tiruin! Tiruin suddenly felt inspired(+3 to all rolls)!
notquitethere applied his acidic phial to his adamantine sword, and then swung at Silthuri!
Sword!(10) vs. Nope!(6)
Notquitethere whooped, triumphant, as his sword dug into Silthuri's stomach!
SWORD of ACID!(5+4(natural 10 bonus)+2(acid)=11) vs. Withstand!(4)
Notquitethere yanked the sword out, eyeing the mortally wounded Silthuri collapsed upon the ground. Oh hey, his agents were taking advantage of the opportunity.
Gunplay!(8.) vs. Evade!(8-3(mortal wound)=5)
Silthuri tried to evade or block, but the pain was too much.
Gunplay!(9) vs. Resist!(4-3(mortal wound)=1)
Perhaps if Silthuri was at full health she could have survived. Perhaps. It didn't end that way, though. The bullets hit. The light left Silthuri's eyes. Tiruin was alone.
The Moonlit Shadow wanted her dagger back.
Gutpunch!(7) vs. Evade!(9-2(missing a foot)+3(inspired)=10)
Moonlit's rapid punch to the gut was easily evaded by Tiruin. Somehow. For crying out loud, she was missing a foot, how hard could it be to kill her!
Post by: Tiruin on March 06, 2018, 12:58:08 am
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Post by: notquitethere on March 07, 2018, 06:39:49 pm
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Post by: kingawsume on March 07, 2018, 10:41:22 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 09, 2018, 02:19:05 pm
Do we keep our phials after this round?Yes. If they're intact.
Turn 9: Can't Dodge Bullets, Can Dodge Swords and Fists
INIT:
notquitethere(80)
The Moonlit Shadow(18)
Tiruin(18)
notquitethere figured it was time to finish off Tiruin!
Sharkjump!(9) vs. Evade!(8-2(missing foot)+3(inspiration)=9) (Tiebreak: Tiruin)
Notquitethere climbed above Tiruin, taking advantage of the arena's audience section's shape, and leaped down at her. At the last moment, she pivoted out of the way, evading the attack.
Gunplay!(10) vs. Evade!(6-2(missing foot)+3(inspiration)=7)
Then Tiruin learned the hard way that you can't dodge bullets.
Gunplay!(9+3(natural 10 bonus(10-7))=12) vs. Withstand!(7+3(inspiration)=10)
Through sheer willpower, Tiruin remained standing never mind the bullets embedded in her gut.
The Moonlit Shadow and Tiruin eyed each other. Moonlit scrambled for a weapon, meanwhile Tiruin eyed the greater threat, notquitethere.
Scavenge!(5)
Moonlit noted and grabbed a nearby fallen copper axe, while Tiruin charged notquitethere...
Inspired Combo!(3+3(inspiration)=6) vs. Evade!(4) and Bodyguarding!(8.)
The maddened Tiruin charged notquitethere, and while he didn't manage to evade, Tiruin's fist was grabbed by a bodyguard, face neutral in expression.
((With regards to continuous combat: it's doable if everyone agrees, but seeing as other people may want to vary their tactics... I do have another rule change in mind for next turn to increase lethality. When attacking someone, while you have more than 50 INIT over them, you roll twice and take the higher roll for your accuracy due to having time to scope your opponent out.))
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2018, 05:34:10 pm
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((With regards to continuous combat: it's doable if everyone agrees, but seeing as other people may want to vary their tactics... I do have another rule change in mind for next turn to increase lethality. When attacking someone, while you have more than 50 INIT over them, you roll twice and take the higher roll for your accuracy due to having time to scope your opponent out.))
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Post by: notquitethere on March 10, 2018, 06:03:51 am
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 12, 2018, 03:47:51 pm
INIT:
notquitethere(20)
The Moonlit Shadow(60)
Tiruin(86)
Tiruin screamed in fury and rage,
Scavenge!(8+3=11)
noticed her axe from the center of the arena, somehow coated in the liquid from Silthuri's vial... grabbed it, and screamed bloody murder at Moonlit!
Bloody Murder!(8+3(inspired)=11) vs. Evade!(5)
Terrified, Moonlit barely tried to dodge. It didn't really help.
MURDERIZE!(8+6(accuracy over evasion bonus)+3(inspired)+2(heavy weapon)=19) vs. (...) ((19. Nobody's surviving that.))
Tiruin stepped past Moonlit. Moonlit was confused. Didn't Tiruin hit her? Then Moonlit ceased to exist, and her corpse flew towards notquitethere.
Dead Woman's Volley!(6+3(inspired)=9) vs. What?!(10) and Bodyguarding!(6)
Shocked, notquitethere's bodyguards did nothing as he twirled and knocked the corpse back at Tiruin.
Return!(3) vs. What?!(1+3(inspired)-2(missing a foot)=2)
Tiruin was so surprised that Moonlit's corpse was knocked back at her that it hit!
Return!(1) vs. Withstand!(10)
Her axe. Tiruin noted that Moonlit's vial hit her axe, coating its blade in acid. Which reacted with the silvery coating to form a gleaming green coating. The corpse itself was batted away.
notquitethere shed a few tears, then brandished his acidic blade and charged Tiruin.
Sword!(4) vs. Evade!(3+3(inspired)-2(missing foot)=4) (Tiebreak: notquitethere)
Empowered by her success, Tiruin didn't notice notquitethere in time.
Sword!(4+2(acid)=6) vs. Withstand!(6+3=9)
Good grief. How could she possibly still be standing! His sword dug into her gut. She didn't really seem to care.
Bullets!(6) vs. Evade!(5+3(inspired)-2(missing foot)=6) (Tiebreak: Tiruin)
Tiruin somehow cut the bullets out of the air with her axe. What monster was this?!
Spawn!(1) vs. Champions!(4)
The dwarven champions were worn and exhausted, but somehow the Spawn were giving way. If not for the dead dwarves rising on their side, there would be none left of them.
Endurance!(9+3(inspired)=12)
Tiruin had bullet wounds, burned hands, a missing foot... she didn't really seem to notice. What monster was this?!
Post by: notquitethere on March 12, 2018, 08:05:21 pm
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Post by: Tiruin on March 13, 2018, 12:33:15 am
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 14, 2018, 10:26:55 am
INIT:
notquitethere(94)
Tiruin(40)
notquitethere twirled his sword, eyeing the unstoppable behemoth that was Tiruin. She would fall. Eventually.
GAIDEN!(7, 6 = 7) vs. Evade!(4+3(inspired)-2(missing foot)=5)
In spite of Tiruin's efforts to evade, notquitethere hit.
Burn With Acid!(4+2(acid)=6) vs. Withstand!(10+3(inspired)=13)
Notquitethere drove his sword into Tiruin's chest. Somehow, she didn't seem fazed. For good measure, notquitethere couldn't seem to pull his sword out!
Bullets!(6) vs. Evade!(8+3(inspired)-2(missing foot)=9)
Notquitethere's agents fired a few more shots, but none of them hit. Perhaps they were too intimidated by the unslayable abomination that was Tiruin to aim.
Tiruin shoved notquitethere out of the way and charged his agents!
Axe!(1+3(inspired)=4) vs. Evade!(2)
Tiruin's reckless charge at notquitethere's agents would have been easily evaded by anyone not intimidated by her sheer zombie-ness.
Decapitation!(6+3(inspired)+2(heavy weapon)+2(acid)=13) vs. Withstand!(8)
Tiruin didn't quite manage to finish off notquitethere's agents, but it certainly looked like a mortal wound for both of them. Tiruin pivoted and charged notquitethere for good measure.
Axe!(8+3(inspired)=11) vs. Evade!(5)
Notquitethere meeped and received a lightning-fast axe strike to the chest.
Axe!(9+6(accuracy over evasion bonus)+3(inspired)+2(heavy weapon)+2(acid)=22) vs. (...)
Notquitethere blinked. He was alive!
"Yeah, but you weren't a moment ago."
Notquitethere noticed he was sitting in a bar with Tiruin(still brandishing her acidic silvery axe, dripping with blood), Moonlit, Silthuri, and kingawsume. Rockeater's corpse was lying on a couch. Someone had drawn a mustache on his face.
"That's that!"
~~~
"Seeing as the team of Tiruin and Silthuri ended up victorious, they both gain 10 Carnival Points apiece! kingawsume won his bet, perhaps due to his own interference, but that won't stop him from claiming 10 Carnival Points as a reward! With regards to kills, notquitethere had one and Tiruin had two, so they get bonuses of 5 and 10 Carnival Points respectively. To sum it up:"
Null tapped a section of the bar's wall, which transformed into a whiteboard displaying the current point totals.
Quote from: Whiteboard
1st: Tiruin: 20 Carnival Points, axe of doom
2nd: Silthuri: 10 Carnival Points
2nd: kingawsume: 10 Carnival Points, black vial
3rd: notquitethere: 5 Carnival Points
4th: The Moonlit Shadow: 0 Carnival Points
"I'll let you get some drinks and discuss the round, then we can get back to murdering each other!
Post by: notquitethere on March 14, 2018, 04:55:47 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 15, 2018, 01:47:50 am
Phew. I wonder what carnival points will mean.I didn't expect to win, honestly.
This round though--a week+? No details about how deep this would be was in the minigames. That and there should be an option to 'keep attacking for forever'. @_@ I didn't also know we get to keep what loot we have or grab from the previous rounds!
Post by: kingawsume on March 15, 2018, 08:59:07 pm
Imma get a screwdriver and a shot of King Louie the 14th (ridiculously expensive cognac, amazing stuff, says John Schnadder.)
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 17, 2018, 02:14:06 pm
Null grabs another whiteboard and starts scribbling on it with his sword.
"Alright, next is the Relay Race! You're going to be competing to get your team's ball to the end of an obstacle course!"
The second minigame is Relay Race. The players are divided into two teams of equal players, and will compete to get a ball to the end of the race first. Each player keeps the ball for a certain section of the race, determined in advance by their team. The winning team’s players(the team that gets their ball to the end first) receive bonuses of 10 Carnival Points apiece. If there is an odd number of players, one player will be selected and will not participate in Relay Race. The non-participating player may place a bet on which team will win, and if they call it right, they will gain 10 Carnival Points. If a player dies during the Relay Race, they will respawn after a turn at the beginning of their current section. They will not keep their items and will need to retrieve them. Each team member will possess a psychic sense of where their team’s ball is at all times.
"Silthuri and Tiruin will face off against kingawsume and The Moonlit Shadow! notquitethere will be sitting out, but he can make a bet and possibly influence the game as well..."
"Let's go over the sections! First we have New York City! Players will need to navigate the twisted streets of New York City to collect two of seven keys hidden around the city! Those two keys will unlock a hidden door in the 32nd floor of the Empire State Building! Each player will receive a 10 thousand dollar prepaid credit card to make things easier!
Next is Mount Everest! Players will compete to climb to the top of Mount Everest! Equipment and minions will be provided.
Third is the Tomb of Lesser Horrors, a four-level dungeon designed by yours truly, full of traps and loot and monsters! At the bottom is the portal to the final stage...
the Cross-Country Road Trip! Be the first to get from New York to Sacramento in an America rather different from the one you know..."
"Now you get to decide who will handle what section! Toodles!"
Post by: notquitethere on March 18, 2018, 04:12:44 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 19, 2018, 09:25:50 am
So, how big is this ball?
Think soccer ball.
And Rockeater's still dead, huh?
Yup.
Post by: Tiruin on March 19, 2018, 11:02:00 pm
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Post by: Silthuri on March 20, 2018, 12:46:52 am
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 20, 2018, 09:43:49 am
>_> One thing I'm perplexed with, is when these minigames are announced...there seems to be 0 follow up information. Like I have 0 PMs. 0 Idea what to act on. :-\
Hm. Would it be a good idea to notify everyone when a new minigame pops up?
Post by: Tiruin on March 20, 2018, 02:46:33 pm
It'd be a good idea to speed this up so I can get back to lynching people :P>_> One thing I'm perplexed with, is when these minigames are announced...there seems to be 0 follow up information. Like I have 0 PMs. 0 Idea what to act on. :-\
Hm. Would it be a good idea to notify everyone when a new minigame pops up?
But nah, seriousness present--I'm personally okay with this (just that it'd help because I'm afraid of others not being active). But it seems the board is in its hibernation at the moment so...yeah.
Post by: notquitethere on March 20, 2018, 06:03:36 pm
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Post by: kingawsume on March 20, 2018, 08:36:33 pm
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 21, 2018, 10:46:38 am
A flash of purple light.
Turn 0: Wakey Wakey
Spoiler: Team Tiruin/Silthuri Only (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Team kingawsume/The Moonlit Shadow Only (click to show/hide)
((Notes: team members can communicate via telepathy, in case you want to trade strategic tactics. Notquitethere as a spectator can view either team's spoilers, though he's only allowed to send advice to the team he bet on if he refrains from viewing the other team's spoilers. If key-finding takes too long, Null will hand out hints to both players.))
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2018, 11:40:03 am
Spoiler: As someone who has 0 idea of New York City and what it is... (click to show/hide)
Edit because I want to fit everything in there :I andtypos.
Post by: kingawsume on March 21, 2018, 12:06:34 pm
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on March 29, 2018, 09:19:20 pm
Spoiler: Team Tiruin/Silthuri Only (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Team kingawsume/The Moonlit Shadow Only (click to show/hide)
Post by: kingawsume on March 29, 2018, 09:54:53 pm
Spoiler: Is it a spoiler if you're supposed to look? (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on March 30, 2018, 02:36:31 am
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Post by: notquitethere on March 30, 2018, 05:36:43 am
Post by: MoonyTheHuman on April 01, 2018, 09:45:18 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 02, 2018, 06:46:20 am
Post by: notquitethere on April 05, 2018, 01:23:04 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 05, 2018, 05:01:30 pm
Spoiler: Team Tiruin/Silthuri Only (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Team kingawsume/The Moonlit Shadow Only (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on April 08, 2018, 08:14:39 am
But it's taking so long too :-\
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Post by: kingawsume on April 11, 2018, 03:37:07 pm
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Post by: notquitethere on April 11, 2018, 07:13:20 pm
Post by: Rockeater on April 17, 2018, 05:20:55 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 19, 2018, 04:22:12 pm
Spoiler: Team Tiruin/Silthuri Only (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Team kingawsume/The Moonlit Shadow Only (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on April 21, 2018, 11:12:24 pm
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Post by: kingawsume on April 25, 2018, 04:14:59 pm
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 26, 2018, 07:39:49 pm
All in favor of just killing Sharkjumper now, say Aye.
Post by: randomgenericusername on April 26, 2018, 07:53:07 pm
Okay, beep this. By the time we finish Sharkjumper, it'll be bloody 2020.
All in favor of just killing Sharkjumper now, say Aye.
Aye
Post by: Silthuri on April 26, 2018, 08:08:32 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 26, 2018, 08:23:38 pm
Okay, beep this. By the time we finish Sharkjumper, it'll be bloody 2020.Aye
All in favor of just killing Sharkjumper now, say Aye.
Post by: Rockeater on April 27, 2018, 01:14:37 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 27, 2018, 05:32:00 pm
And then the world imploded. No winner.
"Whoops. Messed up a dimensional equation. Sorry about that. Looks like it took all the Sharkjumper stuff with it."
Rockeater has revived!
"Including Rockeater's death."
And then it was night.
As Night 4 and Day 5 were replaced with the Sharkjumper Phase, it is now Night 5. Night 5 will end 5:30 Central/Forum time on Wednesday, or when I have all actions and enough time to update. Send in your actions!
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 01, 2018, 07:11:09 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 01, 2018, 07:52:26 pm
Null vanished, leaving behind six very confused people.
Nobody died. Bah.
Votecount:
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) Silthuri:
(0) *Rockeater:
(0) *The Moonlit Shadow:
Not voting: Silthuri, Rockeater, The Moonlit Shadow, notquitethere, kingawsume, Tiruin
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(0) Gosh Dang It To Heck:
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks:
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
Not voting: Silthuri, Tiruin, The Moonlit Shadow, notquitethere, Rockeater, kingawsume
Trope in Effect:
Day 6 will end Friday 8:00 P.M. Central/Forum time. The day's communal extension has not yet been used.
Post by: Rockeater on May 01, 2018, 11:40:04 pm
Post by: Tiruin on May 02, 2018, 04:15:38 am
Rockeater, so as the replacement, what'sup and can you brief on what happened the past forever?
Why is your first game post being an apology to NQT? Also why did you suddenly die off in the sharkjumper thing which somehow those of us with tokens don't gain anything from?
This is a really weird succession of people not dying and I'm very intrigued by it.
Post by: notquitethere on May 02, 2018, 04:25:46 am
Gosh Dang It To Heck
Rockeater, why are you sorry?
Shorten, let's finish this.
Post by: Rockeater on May 02, 2018, 04:46:02 am
NQT, what happened to you in the night?
Post by: Rockeater on May 02, 2018, 09:29:07 am
First of all, What you mean Tiruin by the past forever, I told you all everything I got when I replaced Tawa, and I said everything from then on
And now for the main event.
It was said at the beginning of the Sharkjumper event that it is possible that someone will die in the shark-jumper and not come back until it is finished, my thought was that I got hit by someone's ability.
My plan this night was to use my hilarity ensues ability on NQT which was supposed to give him the ability to choose the trope for today but this didn't go as expected, so I am asking:
NQT, what happened to you tonight?
Post by: notquitethere on May 02, 2018, 10:22:37 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 02, 2018, 10:49:30 am
Post by: Tiruin on May 02, 2018, 10:56:07 am
I guess it's time for me to attempt to explain things:I'm doubtful people got a USEFUL hilarity ensues ability--seeing my own, it's useless! :O
First of all, What you mean Tiruin by the past forever, I told you all everything I got when I replaced Tawa, and I said everything from then on
And now for the main event.
It was said at the beginning of the Sharkjumper event that it is possible that someone will die in the shark-jumper and not come back until it is finished, my thought was that I got hit by someone's ability.
My plan this night was to use my hilarity ensues ability on NQT which was supposed to give him the ability to choose the trope for today but this didn't go as expected, so I am asking:
NQT, what happened to you tonight?
I think someone tried to kill me, but I was kidnapped for the night. Now I learn that you tried to target me. Hmm.Silthuri is usually the one that kidnappies, so that's you being protected. I stand by my vote with a shorten, although this does seem a bit too quick in context (and then countered back by 'that sharkjumper took a ton of weeks with no reward to everyone else at the end? ._.;), so there's also the suspension of doubt on hasty ability actions and foresight.
...Something's wrong with my night action. Very wrong. Anyone else get text that doesn't make sense at all?I did nothing, so I've no idea what you mean. x.x
NQT claims he was kidnapped while someone tried to kill him.
...How do people get nothing that makes no sense?
Post by: Rockeater on May 02, 2018, 11:07:59 am
The moonlight shadow:What wrong with the text, did you done something you didn't want.
If we started voting already I will vote Tiruin, She look more suspicious every day that pass.
Post by: Tiruin on May 02, 2018, 11:12:41 am
I did got a weird text, it's said I kidnapped NQT even though it wasn't my plan and it talked on how something worng.>_>
The moonlight shadow:What wrong with the text, did you done something you didn't want.
If we started voting already I will vote Tiruin, She look more suspicious every day that pass.
Things would be better with details than 'this person is suspicion. Vote!'
...I'm assuming you read back :v could you please expound?
Also this should be 'voting in process' rather than 'just start voting already' since this is really the endgame. :-\ We got 1 scum down.
Post by: Rockeater on May 02, 2018, 11:37:54 am
Kingawsume: Why did you vote for RGN after It was all but confirmed that he had some sort of investigation ability?
Post by: Silthuri on May 02, 2018, 11:52:12 am
So y'all remember the sort of mass block I proposed? Well I did it. I forced everyone to use my kidnap ability last night.
Post by: kingawsume on May 02, 2018, 12:25:49 pm
Kingawsume: Why did you vote for RGN after It was all but confirmed that he had some sort of investigation ability?I don't remember doing that, but hey, whatever floats the boat. I even took the time to look for it; couldn't find it.
Cincinattus looks interesting.
Post by: Rockeater on May 02, 2018, 12:35:49 pm
Votecount:
(0) *notquitethere:
(0) *kingawsume:
(0) Tiruin:
(0) Silthuri:
(2) *randomgenericusername: kingawsume, juicebox
(0) *Rockeater:
(0) *juicebox:
(1) *The Moonlit Shadow: notquitethere
Not voting: Silthuri, randomgenericusername, Rockeater, The Moonlit Shadow
In the end, it was decided that randomgenericusername would be lynched. The L.Y.N.C.H. spat out a volley of gleaming silver bullets, striking down randomgenericusername.
randomgenericusername was Werebear(town)
(1-Shot, Auto): Bears Are Bad News: If you are lynched, you may choose a player voting you to kill as vengeance.
(0-Shot, Night): Rampage [target]: You kill your target. You do not receive night action results the night you use this ability.
(Night): Lurking Bear [target]: You learn how many players visited your target. If anyone visiting your target uses a kill action on them, you learn their name and gain a shot of Rampage.
(Auto): Infectious: If someone survives being hit by a kill action you use, there is a 50% chance that their role changes completely to become Werebear, though their alignment won’t change.
(1-Shot, Day, Hilarity Ensues): You’re Queen Now [target]: Your target gains (Auto): Queen of Canada: You are the Queen of Canada.
With a cry of rage, randomgenericusername swelled into the form of a bear, dying but vengeful. He fell upon juicebox, who was promptly torn to shreds.
juicebox was Ratatouille(mafia)
(Auto): Delicious Scent: Players who visit you or anyone you visit during the night smell a heavenly scent of French food(literal and figurative flavor).
(Night): Eat Me [target]: If your target is using a single-target action, their target is changed to you. If you are killed the night you use this ability, the alignment of any players who killed you becomes your alignment(if possible) if it would not result in game end.
(1-Shot, X): French Food Convention [targets]: You use your delicious scent to host a French food convention. For the duration of the phase you use this in, your targets and yourself are removed from the game and attend a French food convention. After the phase ends, all players effected by this ability return to the game and all players affected by this ability other than you gain one shot of Secret French Cooking Arts.
(1-Shot, Day, Hilarity Ensues): Villain Song: Can only be used if you are mafia or mafia-ally. PM the mod a song taunting the town for their failure and it shall be posted for you. If you are killed by mafia while you possess this unused ability, the mafia player that killed you receives this ability(and it’s removed from your role).
(Reference): (1-Shot, Night): Secret French Cooking Arts [self]: You cook a delicious meal for yourself, granting yourself enough energy for an additional action next night.
Randomgenericusername licked his lips, then fell still.
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(2) Gosh Dang It To Heck: Silthuri, Tiruin
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks: kingawsume
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
(3) Jumping The Shark: notquitethere, Rockeater, kingawsume
Not voting: The Moonlit Shadow
By a considerably reduced margin, it was decided to Jump the Shark. Reality promptly exploded into light and game show introductions.
"Hello, I'm your host Null Nevermore! Welcome to the Sharkjumper Carnival! In this carnival, you shall have a chance to earn fabulous prizes while having a blast! I'll let our mascot explain the rules!"
Beat.
"Nowhere-er, Jumpy, get out here!"
A rather forlorn man in a shark costume walked out of a dimensional portal, cleared his throat, and explained...
Trope: Jumping the Shark: The next night and day are replaced with a single Sharkjumper Carnival phase. Each player gains a Sharkjumper ability which are the only abilities that can be activated in a Sharkjumper Carnival phase, and can only be used in a Sharkjumper Carnival phase.
The Sharkjumper Carnival phase contains 5 minigames and an intermission between each minigame. Minigames all have means of earning Carnival Points within.
Action success in the Sharkjumper Carnival phase is dependent on d10 rolls, with higher being better and lower being worse.
Death in the Sharkjumper Carnival phase is not permanent. Death in the Sharkjumper Carnival phase lasts(with possible exceptions) until the end of the current minigame.
When all the minigames are complete, living players may spend their Carnival Points in the Sharkjumper Shop, gaining abilities for use outside the Sharkjumper Carnival phase.
Information on each minigame is revealed upon its start.
The items for sale in the Sharkjumper Shop will have their flavor revealed when all the minigames are complete. When multiple players want to buy an item from the Sharkjumper Shop, the player who offers the highest amount of Carnival Points to buy it receives the item and learns its game effects at the end of the Sharkjumper Carnival phase. Players who do not receive an item still lose the points they bid. In the event of a tie, a random player who tied for the item gets it. Items may only be purchased from the Sharkjumper Shop via PM.
Just like that, the six remaining players became contestants in a game show.
((I'll send out Sharkjumper abilities tomorrow. Feel free to chat in the meantime.))
EDIT: NQT got kidnapped
Post by: Tiruin on May 02, 2018, 03:44:13 pm
Why it's so hard to convince people in what happens hereIt's more we need your words and your detail/explaining things than pointing to stuff that happened and letting us connect it without premise. :P
...What are you doing again?
Post by: Silthuri on May 02, 2018, 04:03:19 pm
My block is literally called "abduct" and i kidnap people in my bus to remove them from the game. I think the flavor changed since not everyone has buses. But it is essentially kidnapping.
What i did last night was essentially force everyone to use my abduct power on their targets instead of whatever they were going to do. So instead of rockeater actually using their ability on NQT, they instead took them out of the game. I was also taken out of the game so someone targeted me last night as well.
NQT: why do you think someone tried to kill you?
So tally of who was kidnapped and who wasn't and who did the kidnapping.
Also which one of you sillies targeted me last night and with what?
I'm heading back to revisit yesterday's shenanigans because I'm slightly confused by some things.
Post by: Rockeater on May 02, 2018, 04:52:28 pm
I try to say that Kingawsume veterans to lynch RGU after it was clearly shown that he had investigation ability.
...What are you doing again?
Post by: Rockeater on May 03, 2018, 03:12:32 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 03, 2018, 04:14:17 am
This is interesting, how would you know
NQT: why do you think someone tried to kill you?
Post by: Silthuri on May 03, 2018, 04:38:43 am
rock
I think someone tried to kill me, but I was kidnapped for the night. Now I learn that you tried to target me. Hmm.
I'm asking him why he thinks this. Why are you twisting my words?
Post by: Rockeater on May 03, 2018, 05:01:50 am
Post by: Silthuri on May 03, 2018, 05:11:24 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 04, 2018, 11:14:59 am
Post by: Rockeater on May 04, 2018, 12:36:29 pm
Post by: Rockeater on May 05, 2018, 09:47:01 am
And to Tiruin and NQT why do you vote for me?
Post by: notquitethere on May 05, 2018, 10:22:07 am
Me: kidnapped
Silthuri: activating kidnap conversion and is kidnapped
Rockeater: targets me -> converted to kidnap
Moonlit???
Tiruin???
kingawsume???
Why did I think someone was trying to kill me? Something in the flavor and my interpretations of one my powers. But re-reading, it's not certain. My current theory is Rockeater's kill was converted into a kidnap.
You know what, I mistaken in how day 4 went, I will change my vote, and I meant the voting today.This is a good question.
Kingawsume: Why did you vote for RGN after It was all but confirmed that he had some sort of investigation ability?
Tiruin/Moonlit/Kingawsume-- care to claim anything?
Post by: Rockeater on May 05, 2018, 11:16:00 am
Fallacy how does it suppose to work, If A targeted B and B targeted C who get kidnapped?
I targeted KingAwsume and kidnapped him last night.Not really
Meaning Tiruin likely targeted Silthuri.
I did nothing, so I've no idea what you mean. x.xSo, what going on.
...How do people get nothing that makes no sense?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 05, 2018, 03:14:29 pm
Fallacy how does it suppose to work, If A targeted B and B targeted C who get kidnapped?Assuming A and B were both using kidnapping ability, B would be kidnapped and C wouldn't. If C was using kidnapping on A, I would have to roll initiative to determine which would be applied first.
So, what going on.You're playing mafia.
It's look like I am gonna get lynched by two votes from the start so I will Use my extenionKa-ching!
The Day will now end Monday 8:00 P.M. Central/Forum time. The day's communal extension has not been used.
Post by: Rockeater on May 05, 2018, 03:30:30 pm
NQT, Kingawsume: what you planed doing last night?
Silthuri: Is the kidnapping thing the only action you did?
Post by: Tiruin on May 07, 2018, 01:44:30 am
The Day will now end Monday 8:00 P.M. Central/Forum time. The day's communal extension has not been used.:v and yet people haven't spoken (ok I haven't, but I was busy! Although people can persecute me on these grounds, I'm okay with it!)
I targeted KingAwsume and kidnapped him last night.No I didn't? o_o
Meaning Tiruin likely targeted Silthuri.
Out of all the claims, why poke me?
And...not mention anything else?
Last night's actions:So...let me get this straight,
Me: kidnapped
Silthuri: activating kidnap conversion and is kidnapped
Rockeater: targets me -> converted to kidnap
Moonlit???
Tiruin???
kingawsume???
First of all, I'll vote for communal extend to cancel out one of the shortens (assuming that's how this works. I don't actually want to extend just yet just sayin). Yes things are getting hairy now but why are you wanting to rush?Also extend
My block is literally called "abduct" and i kidnap people in my bus to remove them from the game. I think the flavor changed since not everyone has buses. But it is essentially kidnapping.
What i did last night was essentially force everyone to use my abduct power on their targets instead of whatever they were going to do. So instead of rockeater actually using their ability on NQT, they instead took them out of the game. I was also taken out of the game so someone targeted me last night as well.
NQT: why do you think someone tried to kill you?
So tally of who was kidnapped and who wasn't and who did the kidnapping.
Also which one of you sillies targeted me last night and with what?
I'm heading back to revisit yesterday's shenanigans because I'm slightly confused by some things.
We've got 1 scum left (unless somehow the game had 3 scum out of 11 people), Silthuri activated a 'everyone do what I do', meaning that anything anyone did becomes thematically, what you did (e.g. Non-kill), also nobody died.
So everyone kidnapped the other person.
Meaning we can't know what others did other than honesty during the day.
Because everything becomes a kidnap.
...Which roleblocks and protects as far as I recall?
Post by: Rockeater on May 08, 2018, 04:32:44 am
Post by: Tiruin on May 09, 2018, 09:08:41 am
Somehow me posting that I did nothing doesn't register I see? :PLast night's actions:
Me: kidnapped
Silthuri: activating kidnap conversion and is kidnapped
Rockeater: targets me -> converted to kidnap
Moonlit???
Tiruin???
kingawsume???
If this is accurate, and kidnaps do role block, the only person unaccounted for is you, Tiruin.
I'm pretty aware of the case of one person lying around here, and given the terms and conditions by who is most likely the town-yest person here given the previous days, someone tried to kidnap Silthuri; someone also tried to kidnap NQT, who I've to reiterate is on the sameish level as her in my eyes.
I will vote for Communal extension because if I die for two votes who barely explained why it would be silly.You did target NQT with a hilarity ensues poke, I'm unsure why he didn't respond to it o_O
Kingawsume needs to answer a query given to him by you though. I mean I was absent for quite some days because of horribusy, but I haven't seen a post from KA for quite a longer while.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 09, 2018, 10:58:22 am
As far as I can tell only three people voted for a communal extension. That's not a majority.
Let me check...
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 09, 2018, 11:19:41 am
(0) *notquitethere:
(2) *kingawsume: Rockeater, Tiruin
(0) Tiruin:
(0) Silthuri:
(1) Rockeater: notquitethere
(0) *The Moonlit Shadow:
Not voting: Silthuri, The Moonlit Shadow, kingawsume
In the end, kingawsume had the most fingers pointed at him. The L.Y.N.C.H. put a bullet into his head and he fell still.
kingawsume was Pep Talker(town)
(Night): Motivating Pep Talk [target]: Your target may take an additional action next night.
(1-Shot, Night): Extremely Motivating Pep Talk [target]: Your target may take an additional action next night, and may also use an expended shotted action that night as if it were unexpended.
(1-Shot, Night): Too Much Pep Talk [target]: Your target may take an additional action next night, but is roleblocked this night.
(1-Shot, Day): Self Pep Talk: You may take an additional action next night.
(1-Shot, Night, Hilarity Ensues): You Just Lost The Game: Every living player of this game of mafia is PMed to say “You have lost the Game. You know, the one where you try not to think about the Game.”
(Auto): Bureaucracy: Your actions all take effect one cycle after they are used. Investigative actions used on you give results one cycle after they are used.
How unfortunate.
Tropecount:
(0) Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies:
(0) Affably Evil:
(0) Katanas Are Just Better:
(1) Gosh Dang It To Heck: notquitethere
(0) Worthless Yellow Rocks:
(0) Cincinnatus:
(0) Star-Crossed Lovers:
(0) Time Master:
(0) Red Herring:
Not voting: Silthuri, Tiruin, The Moonlit Shadow, Rockeater
In the end, only one person decided that tropes were important. Notquitethere.
The end result was a blanket ban on profanity.
Trope: Gosh Dang It to Heck: No profanity can be used in thread higher in degree than “gosh”, “dang”, and “heck”. Foreign profanity still counts as profanity. Disrespecting the Lord’s name counts as profanity. Repeated failure to abide by this rule results in loss of vote for the day.
It is now Night 6. Night 6 will end Friday, 8:00 P.M. Central/Forum time or when I have all actions and enough time to update. Send in your actions!
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 12, 2018, 03:21:51 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 13, 2018, 11:31:41 am
Silthuri was Bus Driver(town)
(Night): Abduct [target]: You remove your target from the game for the night. If you die this night, they die also in the crash.
(1-Shot, Night): Drive or Die [target]: You lend your spare bus to your target. They gain Drive. If they do not use Drive next night, the bus explodes, killing them.
(1-Shot, Night): Flatten [target]: You run your target over, roleblocking them and destroying two random abilities in their role.
(1-Shot, Night, Hilarity Ensues): Everybody is Me: Everyone uses the same action you used last night. Everyone killed tonight by the action you used last night revives.
(Reference): (Night): Drive: The night you use this ability, you cannot use any other abilities. If you would be killed by Drive or Die, you are not killed.
Body Double was Body Double(body double)
And then there were four.
Then there was that horrible sinking feeling as Tiruin and notquitethere slowly grinned horrible grins and pulled pistols from behind their backs.
The Moonlit Shadow was the next to fall.
The Moonlit Shadow was Builder(town)
(Day): Research [target/trope]: Build Gadget gains a new option for Gadget based off of your target’s role or the trope you select. This is mentally exhausting and cannot be used two days in a row.
(Night): Build Gadget [target/self]: Select a Gadget from the below options to build and give to your target or yourself. Doing the same thing over and over again is boring, so each time you choose a Gadget more than once there is a 50% chance you lose focus, explode, and die.
-(Reference, Gadget): (1-Shot, Auto): Body Double: When you would die, your Body Double dies instead.
-(Reference, Gadget): (1-Shot, Night): Role Scanner [target]: You learn a random ability in your target’s role.
-(Reference, Gadget): (1-Shot, Night): Hypnotizer [target]: Your target gains a minor character-based post restriction of your choice for the next day. May be vetoed by mod. Repeated failure to abide by post restriction results in loss of vote for the day.
-(Reference, Gadget): (1-Shot, Add-On): Practicality Energizer: Use this ability alongside a non-shotted ability. It cannot be roleblocked or have its target changed.
-(Reference, Gadget): (1-Shot, Day): Sharkjumper Catalyst: Jumping The Shark gains four additional votes in the name of whoever or whatever you choose until the end of the day.
(1-Shot, Auto): Body Double: When you would die, your Body Double dies instead.
(1-Shot, Night, Hilarity Ensues): Looter’s Delight [target]: If your target dies tonight, their abilities are distributed at random among the living players.
(1-Shot, Night): Role Scanner [target]: You learn a random ability in your target’s role.
Down went the builder of the body double, and one of the town's greatest. And then there were three, and Rockeater took a fighting stance only to be gunned down by notquitethere, using a rocket launcher.
It didn't really take. The rocket was destroyed in mid-air.
Tiruin put a clip of bullets into Rockeater, then twitched as he got up again. Rockeater ran, making a break for it, only to finally be shot in the back by notquitethere. He finally fell still.
Rockeater was JC Denton(town)
(Loadout, Innate): Nanotech Loadout: At the start of the game, you may choose three of the ability pairs listed below, and gain a single ability of your choice from each chosen pair.
(1-Shot(0-Shot), Auto): Skill Improvement: On Day 3, you may choose one Skill ability, listed below, to gain.
(1-Shot, Auto): Aggressive Defense System: When you would be killed by the mafiakill, you survive.
(1-Shot(0-Shot), Night): IFF [target]: You learn your target’s alignment(town, mafia, or third party(if you get a third party result, you also learn the type of third party your target is)).
(1-Shot, Auto): Regeneration: When you die, you regenerate, reviving.
(1-Shot, Night, Hilarity Ensues): You’re King Now [target]: Your target is the only player able to vote for Trope selection the next day.
(2-Shot, Night): Medicine: You protect your target from kills using a medkit.
(Reference, Cranial): (2-Shot, Night): Spy Drone [target]: You learn who visits your target tonight(you watch them). Your use of this ability will show up in your target’s night flavor.
(Reference, Cranial): (1-Shot, Auto): Aggressive Defense System: When you would be killed by the mafiakill, you survive.
(Reference, Basic): (1-Shot, Night): IFF [target]: You learn your target’s alignment(town, mafia, or third party(if you get a third party result, you also learn the type of third party your target is)).
(Reference, Basic): (2-Shot, Day): Infolink [target]: For the duration of this day, you and your target may send PMs to each other.
(Reference, Limbs): (Auto): Combat Strength: Kill actions you perform pierce protection.
(Reference, Limbs): (Auto): Speed Enhancement: Your enhanced speed allows you to escape(makes you immune to) abilities that would roleblock you.
(Reference, Torso): (1-Shot, Auto): Regeneration: When you die, you regenerate, reviving.
(Reference, Torso): (Add-On): Power Recirculator: When you gain this ability, choose another ability you possess. It gains an additional shot.
(Reference, Skill): (2-Shot, Night): Medicine: You protect your target from kills using a medkit.
(Reference, Skill): (1-Shot, Night): Low-Tech Weapon [target]: You use your Dragon’s Tooth Sword to kill your target.
(Reference, Skill): (2-Shot, Night): Demolition [target]: You use a knockout gas grenade to role block your target.
"Well. We've done it. Took a while, but we've done it. Um... sorry about all the miscommunication."
Tiruin shrugged. What was done was done. They were victorious, anyway.
notquitethere(mafia), juicebox(mafia) and Tiruin(mafia-ally) have won. All others have lost.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 13, 2018, 12:12:03 pm
Spoiler: Tropes (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: SHARKJUMPER ARGH NO NEVER AGAIN (click to show/hide)
Anything else?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 13, 2018, 12:12:32 pm
Right. Well, that was a right mess. Sharking the Jump certainly didn't help.
Spoiler: Starting Roles With Commentary (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Action History (click to show/hide)
Post by: notquitethere on May 13, 2018, 03:35:47 pm
Post by: Silthuri on May 13, 2018, 03:53:01 pm
Post by: Rockeater on May 13, 2018, 11:38:34 pm
Post by: Imic on May 14, 2018, 06:20:13 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 14, 2018, 11:25:52 am
I need to learn, but I am still a bit confused about Cthulhu, so if we revived him he would be mafia?No, he was town.
So. Everybody. Thoughts? Criticism? Complements? Ideas for the next game?
Post by: randomgenericusername on May 14, 2018, 12:15:54 pm
I love how the mafia won because we kept lynching townies and I'm proud of getting the only mafia kill in the game. It was also crazy how my ability just kept failing and giving useless results every single time.
I liked my role, but I feel it would have been more useful in someone's else hands. Overall, a great game (until it decided to Jump the Shark.) :P
Post by: juicebox on May 14, 2018, 01:22:15 pm
Sharkjumper was truly a mistake.This
But besides that, this game was pretty fun.
How did I do as mafia?
Post by: randomgenericusername on May 14, 2018, 01:37:03 pm
I think you did okay, maybe if you hadn't voted me or I had killed kingawsume instead you would have lasted longer.Sharkjumper was truly a mistake.This
But besides that, this game was pretty fun.
How did I do as mafia?
Post by: Tiruin on May 14, 2018, 08:38:45 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 14, 2018, 10:53:30 pm
I was a horrible communicator (although I do wonder why none of the signals went as is) :'(Oh, your communication was good. Just that the scum didn't read through it enough.
To paraphrase:
Tiruin: I'll do the mafiakill for you! Just make sure you don't do the mafiakill yourself or I won't be able to help...
mafia: Kill kill kill kill kill.
Post by: BlackHeartKabal on May 14, 2018, 11:34:54 pm
What was my Hilarity Ensues?Fun facts: Affably Evil even worked for the dead. My favorite Hilarity Ensues ability was the only one not given to a player.Spoiler: Tropes (click to show/hide)Sharkjumper was a mistake.Spoiler: SHARKJUMPER ARGH NO NEVER AGAIN (click to show/hide)
Anything else?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 15, 2018, 09:21:24 am
What was my Hilarity Ensues?I assigned each person's Hilarity Ensues ability at random when that trope was selected. I don't think you were alive at the time. If you were, you would have gotten one of the abilities at random.
Post by: notquitethere on May 15, 2018, 11:55:59 am
Post by: kingawsume on May 20, 2018, 04:49:32 pm