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[Sirus]

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There's a holocron of "the One Noble Sith", the one dude who apparently lived in a Dark Side nexus (speaking of, why the fuck did Luke decide to 'hide' on an island with a Dark nexus on it? Sith are drawn to those things like flies) without going on a death-and-torture rampage against everything within reach. He only ever played any part in any story because he mastered an otherwise unknown dark art which was later uncovered by a couple more murderbone-prone sith.
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I can't answer the rest of that, but the EU provided a hypothesis on why Luke might have chosen to live near such a strong Dark Side nexus. In the Thrawn trilogy, Luke posits that Yoda may have chosen to exile himself to Dagobah because of the dark side cave located there (where Luke fought his dream battle against Vader/himself). The idea is that having two strong, opposing Force presences so near each other makes them difficult if not impossible to sense from a distance. They basically cancel each other out.

It doesn't quite fit what we hear and see in TLJ, but it's certainly what came to my mind while watching.

[scriver]

They say the same thing in one of the Jedi Knight games, so it has to be true

[hector13]

EU is not canon.

This totally means they can’t pull ideas from it, the charlatans.

[Kagus]

Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Well, as much as any of it makes any sense, that is...  And I'll admit I actually forgot about Dagobah's Dark Sidedness.

And if that's not the official explanation, maybe Luke just wanted to be like his ol' master and sit in some shit while yelling at the seagulls.

[Dunamisdeos]

@Reelya
The more I consider, the more TLJ seems like an attempt to pander to people's feelings on real-world issues without regard to the actual series, or really the actual issues themselves. It feels.... I don't know, wrong, like a cheap attempt to monetize on those things. Then they are prepared to turn around and say hey, if you don't like it, you must not care about these issues, because obviously we care and that's why we did it, don't you care? You have to like this in order to care, what's wrong with you?
 
Like someone figured out they don't need to make a Star Wars movie to get people to watch it, they just need to check what social issues young people are sending memes about on Facebook this year and add some Star Wars characters into a string of scenes based around them. So you get a 30-m long sequence about space animal cruelty, and the entire movie theme is about how all the old white people ruined everything off screen (ergo before the woke young people got to take a crack at it) and need to atone by just going away already, and if we just believe that our group is right we will definitely BE right, you guys etc etc.
 
It's like FACEBOOK BUBBLES, THE SPACE MOVIE and also we added MARK HAMILL to it. It's not that those issues are non-existent or unimportant, it's that they want to exploit them for a paycheck and also muck with a famous sci-fi universe for it.

[Starver]

I don't think the rightful owner of that ship (if that's where you get the idea from) is the owner/rep for the Tie-Fighter And X-Wing Manufacturing Megacorp Plc.

He's the salesman who acts as middleman in dealings with both Incom Corp and Sienar Fleet Systems (or officially/unofficially licensed generic-copy producers, via whatever shell-company arrangements could be contrived) on one side and the respective users on the other side (or with further proxies upstream/downstream in the supply process, quite likely, especially if they needed credible doubt that whoever-was-out-of-power-at-the-time was actively supporting the Opposition).

There seems to be a total galactic trade in similar intermediate dealmongers sufficient to generate a whole-world-industry (at least one¹) around keeping such figures entertained with the finest of decadent distractions, although others at the party may merely have plied Hutt against Hutt, or worked with Devoranians, Guavians and the Kanjiklub.


Not that I'm entirely sure about canon lore on this. Or that canon should necessarily be respected if its just a big Creator Cockup anyway.


¹ And likely more than enough, dotted around the galaxy to discourage anyone (like a disgruntled customer, concerned about certain other people being considered also worthy of being a customer) attacking/sieging/blockading any such hub without suffering ramifications from those reps and whotnot not now under their thumb or otherwise.

[Dunamisdeos]

It's notable that in the EU, the X-Wing and the TIE were in fact designed and manufactured by different corporations.

TIE: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sienar_Fleet_Systems/Legends
X-WING: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Incom_Corporation

Unless they changed some more random things for their movie, the only way the same people were selling them is if some wahoo bought them from these two very large and famous manufacturing firms and resold them under false pretenses to both sides, and then neither side thought to look into why Blork the used TIE salesman looks just like Flork, the used X-wing merchant but with glasses.

[Kagus]

You know, come to think of it, I can't remember ever seeing Flork in the same room as Blork... I mean, he'd often talked about his evil identical twin brother, but maybe he was hiding something?

[Reelya]

@Reelya
The more I consider, the more TLJ seems like an attempt to pander to people's feelings on real-world issues without regard to the actual series, or really the actual issues themselves. It feels.... I don't know, wrong, like a cheap attempt to monetize on those things. Then they are prepared to turn around and say hey, if you don't like it, you must not care about these issues, because obviously we care and that's why we did it, don't you care? You have to like this in order to care, what's wrong with you?
 
Like someone figured out they don't need to make a Star Wars movie to get people to watch it, they just need to check what social issues young people are sending memes about on Facebook this year and add some Star Wars characters into a string of scenes based around them. So you get a 30-m long sequence about space animal cruelty, and the entire movie theme is about how all the old white people ruined everything off screen (ergo before the woke young people got to take a crack at it) and need to atone by just going away already, and if we just believe that our group is right we will definitely BE right, you guys etc etc.
 
It's like FACEBOOK BUBBLES, THE SPACE MOVIE and also we added MARK HAMILL to it. It's not that those issues are non-existent or unimportant, it's that they want to exploit them for a paycheck and also muck with a famous sci-fi universe for it.

I just had a worrying thought. The narrative that there are these shadowy billionaires behind everything could probably play into the hands of the right-wing. e.g. clearly the person pulling the strings of both sides in the Space War is Space George Soros, e.g. the Space Jews. And the fact that they have this filthy rich little enclave-planet that's not part of either major coalition and is benefiting from both sides fighting - clearly that's Space Israel. googling "jews casinos" I found rightwing articles saying that e.g. Jews were the masterminds behind Indian casinos and the like, so naturally, someone with that background is going to read TLJ's casino overlords as being a lot like they'd view "Space Jews".

This is the danger of presenting shadowy overlord figures but not making them actually part of either coalition. That makes them the "other" and "puppet masters" e.g. how anti-semitic conspiracy theorists view the Jewish "other". It's actually a dangerous model to present because it doesn't reflect reality very well, and instead it presents both sides as being played by some greedy third-party masterminds who have no affiliation or loyalties. An area ripe for applying antisemitic conspiracy theories. There's also the problem that it's clearly a done plot-line that's never going to be touched on again, so viewers are clear to draw any interpretations that they like.

[scriver]

You know, come to think of it, I can't remember ever seeing Flork in the same room as Blork... I mean, he'd often talked about his evil identical twin brother, but maybe he was hiding something?

I'm sorry, that's just how Swedish sounds to foreigners

[Putnam]

bombs in star wars battlefront 2 (2005) fell in an arbitrary "down" direction in space battles such that if you flip your Y-wing over and lay a bomb it'll fall up relative to your cockpit

[Egan_BW]

WWII naval battles in space.

[USEC_OFFICER]

bombs in star wars battlefront 2 (2005) fell in an arbitrary "down" direction in space battles such that if you flip your Y-wing over and lay a bomb it'll fall up relative to your cockpit

For some reason this didn't strike me as stupid when I was playing Battlefront 2. Probably because it wasn't a plot important fact shoved in your face which made you consider the full implications of it.

[Dunamisdeos]

bombs in star wars battlefront 2 (2005) fell in an arbitrary "down" direction in space battles such that if you flip your Y-wing over and lay a bomb it'll fall up relative to your cockpit

For some reason this didn't strike me as stupid when I was playing Battlefront 2. Probably because it wasn't a plot important fact shoved in your face which made you consider the full implications of it.

In the next Star Wars movie of video game logic applied to movie narratives, Poe Dameron dies in a horrific crash, only to inexplicably respawn at base.

hey wait

[MrRoboto75]

bombs in star wars battlefront 2 (2005) fell in an arbitrary "down" direction in space battles such that if you flip your Y-wing over and lay a bomb it'll fall up relative to your cockpit

For some reason this didn't strike me as stupid when I was playing Battlefront 2. Probably because it wasn't a plot important fact shoved in your face which made you consider the full implications of it.

In the next Star Wars movie of video game logic applied to movie narratives, Poe Dameron dies in a horrific crash, only to inexplicably respawn at base.

hey wait

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