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[ZM5]

Weird thing - I used a modded summon interaction to summon some sentient creatures in arena mode. When I used k to look at their descriptions in the default arena view (the one thats more like the fort mode view) it crashed the game.
However, when I took control of the summoner, used the interaction, and looked at the description again while still in control, it didnt crash.
Back in the fort mode view it crashed again. I'm not sure if this would translate to fort mode as well but it might be worth looking into if it does - it reminds me of a similar "looking at description" crash when a creature would be permanently transformed in worldgen into something that has descriptors i.e hair and eye colours and/or body part descriptions ("his ears have great, swinging lobes", etc.)

EDIT: Did some more fiddling, seems to happen only with creatures that are capable of speech. Not sure why.

[Imic]

I found a Goblin Castle in a new World which was invaded multiple times every single year from 56 (to 250, when the Worldgen ended. Not sure if that was supposed to happen.

[FantasticDorf]

Oh, right.

Goblins don't have diplomats (natively under usual circumstances without modding in after), they just fight until the other side gives up so probably in these fights they can't negotiate to stop.

[Untrustedlife]

I hope he changes it so that summoned creatures can build towers, undead are still required for towers unfortunately after a morning of testing

[CaptainArchmage]

I think at *least* the retreat should have been resettled... just, like, in my view. Or it should have remained occupied by undead...

Also Edit: While the retreat is depicted on the map as ruined it is home to 3 elves and a large menagerie of animals. I get ruined locations can and should still have inhabitants, but... it's not like it's hard to resettle them. Are there any reclaim mechanics for civs in worldgen?

Did it say who they were or if they had an entity?  Occasionally monasteries and other places become home to bandits, I think, which then, I think, stops the resettlement code from retriggering and they don't know how to "clear them out", which they should do more often.

Regarding this: The place was called Dumplingstuck.

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588: Thinesipkat, "Dumplingstuck", monastery
1 human
1 human outcast

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978: Evalathilēri, "Queenshore", forest retreat
3 elves
2 giant peregrine falcons
10 horses
2 giant chipmunks
2 kea
2 peregrine falcons
2 grizzly bears
2 giant dingoes
2 giant crows
2 yaks
2 giant gray squirrels
2 black bears
These were the two sites I mentioned - Monastery and forest retreat.

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754: Ibomifava, "Lulledblazed", forest retreat
2 night's soldiers
4 disasters of Iral
4 beasts of Iral

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51: Mīrulnish, "Pagetrades", fortress
7 dwarves
6 wolves of Idor
2 cats
6 Idor's creatures
25 cavies
2 ducks
2 guineafowls
2 blue peafowls
There are also these places, which were abandoned and not reclaimed. I think you're right, maybe they were overrun by bandits? It seems not enough is being done to clean them out of the area.

But they're not claiming the towns properly (at least it isn't showing up). In the case of Dumplingstuck, it was founded by "The Unholy Coven", but that's not shown on the text dump. Other monasteries are shown to have owners.

Could you provide a correct list of these unknown positions?

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CUSTOM_LAW_MAKER
CUSTOM_OUTCAST_LT
CUSTOM_OUTCAST_FACTOR
CUSTOM_COMPANY_FACTOR
CUSTOM_COMPANY_LEADER
_LEADER
CUSTOM_BANDIT_LEADER
CUSTOM_MILITARY_GOALS
CUSTOM_MILITARY_STRATEGY
CUSTOM_OFFICIAL_# - answered
CUSTOM_MERCENARY_TREASURER
HIGHEST_PRIEST
CUSTOM_LAW_MAKER_2
WORSHIP_HF
CUSTOM_GUILD_LEADER
CUSTOM_GUILD_CLERK
CUSTOM_GUILD_STEWARD
CUSTOM_GUILD_ALDERPERSON
CUSTOM_MARKET_OFFICIAL_# - answered

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CUSTOM_LAW_MAKER -- this one is ambiguous currently - law-giver, lord/lady, abbot in monastery, castle baron, master (demon)
CUSTOM_OUTCAST_LT -- lieutenant (bandit/villain)
CUSTOM_OUTCAST_FACTOR -- representative (larger criminal gang)
CUSTOM_COMPANY_FACTOR -- factor/agent/governor/administrator (all the same thing, merchant company)
CUSTOM_COMPANY_LEADER -- master/head (merchant company)
_LEADER -- no idea what this one is, but there is CUSTOM_MERCENARY_LEADER, which has a ton of names and is the head of a mercenary/military order
CUSTOM_BANDIT_LEADER -- master/ringleader etc. of bandits
CUSTOM_MILITARY_GOALS -- war leader
CUSTOM_MILITARY_STRATEGY -- general/marshal/constable
CUSTOM_MERCENARY_TREASURER -- treasurer (of military order)
HIGHEST_PRIEST -- holy city priest for any religion, has random name
CUSTOM_LAW_MAKER_2 -- baron for market castles
WORSHIP_HF -- related to text processing somewhere, not a position
CUSTOM_GUILD_LEADER -- these four are as they say, the positions in the new crafts guilds
CUSTOM_GUILD_CLERK
CUSTOM_GUILD_STEWARD
CUSTOM_GUILD_ALDERPERSON

I haven't yet gotten to guilds, but I hope we have "Alderdwarves" actually named as such.

[Untrustedlife]

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[Untrustedlife]

Okay, Tried to create a custom experiment interaction. It didnt stop my summoners from being created but with the custom interaction as an option they were, strangely enough, unable to build towers. When i got rid of it they worked. With it they did the whole vampire, "go from village to village" thing. Not sure if thats  a bug.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Weird thing - I used a modded summon interaction to summon some sentient creatures in arena mode. When I used k to look at their descriptions in the default arena view (the one thats more like the fort mode view) it crashed the game.
However, when I took control of the summoner, used the interaction, and looked at the description again while still in control, it didnt crash.
Back in the fort mode view it crashed again. I'm not sure if this would translate to fort mode as well but it might be worth looking into if it does - it reminds me of a similar "looking at description" crash when a creature would be permanently transformed in worldgen into something that has descriptors i.e hair and eye colours and/or body part descriptions ("his ears have great, swinging lobes", etc.)

EDIT: Did some more fiddling, seems to happen only with creatures that are capable of speech. Not sure why.

Are you playing in windowed mode? Viewing the description of some creatures in arena crashes in windowed mode for some reason.
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=10831

[Rumrusher]

wondering if setting the world gen stop rate to earlier would have any affect on the speed necromancers would experiment, or is there a fix but Extremely Long rate necromancers and demons would take to start pumping out experiments. knowing what year would be perfect to stop at could help cut down on the slow process of generating longer worlds.
so far from my experience stopping the game around 120 would produce results but depending on the world size that might take a while to load in.

Maybe if he adds a way for experiments to die (right now they have  [NO_DRINK] [NO_EAT] and no maxage defined so they just live forever.(Someone extracted a bunch of the raws on the modding forum)

uhh I kinda want Experiments and their no eating and no drinking and immortality, this wouldn't solve my problem at all since I generate smaller years due to some of my civs horribly die out before I could play them. knowing when necromancers start experimenting would be better.

but like in bogeyman related questions, uhh do the 10 percent bogeymen showing up at evil regions mean I have to attempt the set up to get the cackling?
or like I have  to generate a world that for the evil region would instead of making undead animals they just produce bogeymen?

[Chaosegg]

...
Dwarves have some more general relationship types now ... and they can also have multiple lovers or get divorced or have children before they are married.

New stuff
   (*) Romantic relationship changes (multiple lovers, affairs, children outside marriage, divorces, etc.) as well as other relationship changes and details (friendship/rival types, variables like trust, respect and loyalty)
...

I value immersion & "realism"... perhaps above most other features in a "game"... BUT
I'm hoping this new "feature" might be tempered with species, social, personality, and other influences so that it doesn't go too far into the extreme. To take this sort of presumed/encouraged, consequence-free, promiscuity-without-stigma, to the extreme, quite frankly, reminds me a bit too much of what is [arguably] weakening the fabric of our real life world today. Also to be non-judgemental is fine and good, but we're talking about dwarves here; who are USUALLY seen as a fairly conservative bunch/species.

I'm not trying to make a big stink here, or begin a debate/argument, or even get particularly philosophical, but
I AM asking for the option to choose and/or control this type of thing a bit in our own personal games:
Just how often this sort of thing might happen, or the type of personality to act on it would occur, or some other form of restriction (consequences perhaps for the civilization / religion / fort having an accepted practice that might provoke varying degrees of reaction when the accepted boundaries are crossed, depending of course on how far they are crossed... etc. E.g. the OPTION of realism, instead of only having the option where throwing in a feature that might be interesting to play around with in a fun/fantasy way completely takes over and changes the feel of the previous versions/workings of the game.

TLDR; I hope we either have more detailed information, or a few options/settings for tweaking how this new "dwarven sexuality system" works. I realize many people, especially those who do not have their own children in real life, might not think what I'm saying is worth worrying too much about, but I assure you; it can be kind of a big deal to many people.

So if no in-game options occur [by the dev(s)] to allow players to customize their dorf relationship system a bit, then hopefully by makers of mods (LNP, df hack? others?) will do so, and soon.

[delphonso]

I found a Goblin Castle in a new World which was invaded multiple times every single year from 56 (to 250, when the Worldgen ended. Not sure if that was supposed to happen.

Likewise, a goblin castle has been the site of a yearly battle for 90 years in a row.

[DG]

-snip-

Please take this to the the Suggestion Forums before this thread is derailed.

[Strik3r]

...
Dwarves have some more general relationship types now ... and they can also have multiple lovers or get divorced or have children before they are married.

New stuff
   (*) Romantic relationship changes (multiple lovers, affairs, children outside marriage, divorces, etc.) as well as other relationship changes and details (friendship/rival types, variables like trust, respect and loyalty)
...

I value immersion & "realism"... perhaps above most other features in a "game"... BUT
I'm hoping this new "feature" might be tempered with species, social, personality, and other influences so that it doesn't go too far into the extreme. To take this sort of presumed/encouraged, consequence-free, promiscuity-without-stigma, to the extreme, quite frankly, reminds me a bit too much of what is [arguably] weakening the fabric of our real life world today. Also to be non-judgemental is fine and good, but we're talking about dwarves here; who are USUALLY seen as a fairly conservative bunch/species.

I'm not trying to make a big stink here, or begin a debate/argument, or even get particularly philosophical, but
I AM asking for the option to choose and/or control this type of thing a bit in our own personal games:
Just how often this sort of thing might happen, or the type of personality to act on it would occur, or some other form of restriction (consequences perhaps for the civilization / religion / fort having an accepted practice that might provoke varying degrees of reaction when the accepted boundaries are crossed, depending of course on how far they are crossed... etc. E.g. the OPTION of realism, instead of only having the option where throwing in a feature that might be interesting to play around with in a fun/fantasy way completely takes over and changes the feel of the previous versions/workings of the game.

TLDR; I hope we either have more detailed information, or a few options/settings for tweaking how this new "dwarven sexuality system" works. I realize many people, especially those who do not have their own children in real life, might not think what I'm saying is worth worrying too much about, but I assure you; it can be kind of a big deal to many people.

So if no in-game options occur [by the dev(s)] to allow players to customize their dorf relationship system a bit, then hopefully by makers of mods (LNP, df hack? others?) will do so, and soon.

I barely missed getting my FotF question in that asked about this exact thing, but im 110% in the same boat as you. The extra 10% is there because i don't want my modded creatures for whom one of defining features is that they're ridiculously loyal to their partners to just go from that, to acting like common whores.

[Shonai_Dweller]

...
Dwarves have some more general relationship types now ... and they can also have multiple lovers or get divorced or have children before they are married.

New stuff
   (*) Romantic relationship changes (multiple lovers, affairs, children outside marriage, divorces, etc.) as well as other relationship changes and details (friendship/rival types, variables like trust, respect and loyalty)
...

I value immersion & "realism"... perhaps above most other features in a "game"... BUT
I'm hoping this new "feature" might be tempered with species, social, personality, and other influences so that it doesn't go too far into the extreme. To take this sort of presumed/encouraged, consequence-free, promiscuity-without-stigma, to the extreme, quite frankly, reminds me a bit too much of what is [arguably] weakening the fabric of our real life world today. Also to be non-judgemental is fine and good, but we're talking about dwarves here; who are USUALLY seen as a fairly conservative bunch/species.

I'm not trying to make a big stink here, or begin a debate/argument, or even get particularly philosophical, but
I AM asking for the option to choose and/or control this type of thing a bit in our own personal games:
Just how often this sort of thing might happen, or the type of personality to act on it would occur, or some other form of restriction (consequences perhaps for the civilization / religion / fort having an accepted practice that might provoke varying degrees of reaction when the accepted boundaries are crossed, depending of course on how far they are crossed... etc. E.g. the OPTION of realism, instead of only having the option where throwing in a feature that might be interesting to play around with in a fun/fantasy way completely takes over and changes the feel of the previous versions/workings of the game.

TLDR; I hope we either have more detailed information, or a few options/settings for tweaking how this new "dwarven sexuality system" works. I realize many people, especially those who do not have their own children in real life, might not think what I'm saying is worth worrying too much about, but I assure you; it can be kind of a big deal to many people.

So if no in-game options occur [by the dev(s)] to allow players to customize their dorf relationship system a bit, then hopefully by makers of mods (LNP, df hack? others?) will do so, and soon.

Social arc is coming up after Mythgen. That's when things get more nuanced and what is right or wrong for specific cultures can be defined (procedurally generated). Right now dwarves take lovers in order for villains to work. Full stop. That's it. Villains release, villains required simulation.

Right now it seems to be dependent only on personality, which you can mod. Other than that, suggestions forum is what you want.

[Strik3r]

Social arc is coming up after Mythgen. That's when things get more nuanced and what is right or wrong for specific cultures can be defined (procedurally generated). Right now dwarves take lovers in order for villains to work. Full stop. That's it. Villains release, villains required simulation.

Right now it seems to be dependent only on personality, which you can mod. Other than that, suggestions forum is what you want.

Yeah, but what facets actually control it? How do you minimize it?
I'd much rather have a way to just disable it.