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Author Topic: Untamed Virus Containment Thread:COVID-19: Lurking Omni-Flu Edition  (Read 423837 times)

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Re: Untamed Virus Containment Thread: COVID-19: Super Stay Home Edition
« Reply #1920 on: March 31, 2020, 02:34:56 pm »

The surviving 101 year old was in the Netherlands:
https://www.nu.nl/coronavirus/6041676/101-jarige-coronapatient-hersteld-en-ontslagen-uit-ijsselland-ziekenhuis.html
Or that is a second 101 year old. Apparently she coughed in her elbow, told everyone to obey social distancing rules, and was a great patient, according to the doctors.
I however also read a report today that a 12 year old in Belgium died because of covid-19.
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« Reply #1921 on: March 31, 2020, 03:34:29 pm »

I'm not too surprised. We already know that the majority of people who get it survive. Even in high risk groups. Just look at the Italian numbers

The problem is the sheer numbers of people it infects.
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Re: Untamed Virus Containment Thread: COVID-19: Super Stay Home Edition
« Reply #1922 on: March 31, 2020, 03:44:49 pm »

Are there lasting respiratory issues?
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« Reply #1923 on: March 31, 2020, 04:07:42 pm »

Permanent lesions on the lungs and liver have been reported, but to how common that is, I couldn't say.
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« Reply #1924 on: March 31, 2020, 04:08:42 pm »

Are there lasting respiratory issues?
've read reports that some people do lose lung capacity. Seemed to happen mostly on severe cases (I'm guessing the SARS guys who actually require ICU).  Havent seen a lot of news about that though.  Tbh the biggest thing I've seen was a report about 12 patients in France
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« Reply #1925 on: March 31, 2020, 04:14:59 pm »

Latest number I heard was ~20-25% of ICU patients have permanent respiratory damage.
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« Reply #1926 on: March 31, 2020, 04:24:47 pm »

For what it's worth, covid or not intubation and whatnot apparently tends to be pretty rough on the body. Dunno if anyone's checked to see if the rates on that front are unusual for respiratory cases that requires ICU intervention, basically. It may not be particularly out of line for just "normal" cases of severe respiratory distress.
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« Reply #1927 on: March 31, 2020, 04:34:35 pm »

Latest number I heard was ~20-25% of ICU patients have permanent respiratory damage.
3 out of 12 patients. So it kind of fits more or less.


For what it's worth, covid or not intubation and whatnot apparently tends to be pretty rough on the body. Dunno if anyone's checked to see if the rates on that front are unusual for respiratory cases that requires ICU intervention, basically. It may not be particularly out of line for just "normal" cases of severe respiratory distress.

Could be. I've not chased that data yet TBH.

My own experience with respiratory distress is heavily biased, as when my patients ended up with a tube for respiratory distress they are invariably heavily immunocompromised (either due to their condition or due to treatment) and the disease is opportunistic in nature. And they either recovered their immune function quickly (if at all possible)  or they invariably died pretty quickly.  TBH for the most part the ones that I recall that recovered weren't that severely immunocompromised, and didn't require actual intubation, but did fine with either NIMV or high flow oxygen.
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« Reply #1928 on: March 31, 2020, 05:08:30 pm »

The commander of the US nuclear aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt has sent an SOS message to the US minister of Defense.
The corona virus is spreading uncontrollably amongst the crew members.  He asks for immediate assistence to help quarantine the crew.
More than hundred crew members are infected.
According to commander Brett Crozier, the situation is dire.
'the spread of the disease is ongoing and accelerating', says Crozier, referring to the 'inherent space limitations' on the ship.
'We are not at war.  Sailors don't need to die", Crozier wrote in a letter published by San Francisco Chronicle.
The marine vessel is currently docked in Guam.  The Commander wants to put the entire crew in quarantine on the island.
The ship's previous port dock was in Vietnam, where some crew members already tested positive for the virus.
According to the commander, 'extensive precautions' were taken when the crew reboarded the vessel.
This is the first time the coronavirus has affected a US navy vessel at sea.
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« Reply #1929 on: March 31, 2020, 05:35:15 pm »

Wait, is that the second or third carrier the crow plague's put out of action? Pretty sure there was already two, just not sure if that's one of the two or another one.
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« Reply #1930 on: March 31, 2020, 05:44:03 pm »

I never would have expected that the crumbling of the US empire would happen so directly.
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« Reply #1931 on: March 31, 2020, 06:36:09 pm »

Wait, is that the second or third carrier the crow plague's put out of action? Pretty sure there was already two, just not sure if that's one of the two or another one.
Reported as first one

There are, like, 4? 5? So it's a pretty big deal
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« Reply #1932 on: March 31, 2020, 07:06:49 pm »

Wait, is that the second or third carrier the crow plague's put out of action? Pretty sure there was already two, just not sure if that's one of the two or another one.
Reported as first one

There are, like, 4? 5? So it's a pretty big deal
Eleven CV are currently in service in the USN.


That said, the military's pretty fucking harsh on "No you WILL obey" so quarantine will likely be pretty easily enforced.


Or if it's marines, you bribe them with crayons.

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« Reply #1933 on: March 31, 2020, 07:14:46 pm »

Quarantine on a ship at sea is impossible, flat out. If the indulgent cabins of the cruise liners couldn't do it, then sailors stacked like firewood are getting infected for sure.
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« Reply #1934 on: March 31, 2020, 07:31:20 pm »

Which is why the commander wants all the crew off the ship, and in quarantine on Guam.
I wonder how US military command feels about leaving one of their main naval assets unmanned though.
I suppose new crew will need to be flown in fast..  How many people work on such a vessel? Several hundred? More than 1000?
Sounds like a logistical nightmare, and then there's the issue of decontamination to prevent the new crew from getting infected.
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