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[EnigmaticHat]

Welp, that's it.  Let no one say that Xcom went quietly into oblivion.  The last five Xcom soldiers managed to take about twenty enemies with them on their way to whatever slimey hell counts as an afterlife in this universe.  Really wish the base defense mission told you how many aliens you killed.

The base defense mission is epic by the way.  And if you're like me and you think "oh, base defense, no biggie, it'll probably be fun", think again.  Well I mean it is fun, but:

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You need to defend the Avenger's ramp AND complete an objective like normal that is a pretty far distance away from the ramp.  There are significant alien forces present on the map from the start and on top of that after a few turns a flare will go down for an Advent transport literally every other turn.  The transports seem to get progressively worse too; it started with just an officer + a grunt and then escalated to two stun troopers and an advanced trooper.

Its possible you're supposed to gain additional soldiers as reinforcements or to replace losses, but I didn't have any reserve.  Still managed to gain sight of the objective before my last man was gunned down in cold blood.  Can anyone confirm how the mission is actually supposed to go if you have more troops?

[Aklyon]

Yes, you get more troops if you aren't horribly ruined in troop count. I saw it in EE's lp.

[Sonlirain]

Its possible you're supposed to gain additional soldiers as reinforcements or to replace losses, but I didn't have any reserve.  Still managed to gain sight of the objective before my last man was gunned down in cold blood.  Can anyone confirm how the mission is actually supposed to go if you have more troops?[/spoiler]

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From what i saw on streams it's generally just like what you described but you get extra 2 or 3 random soldiers from the avenger as time goes.
Basically you have to cleave a way through the enemies and blow the objective up and run like hell because transports will land every turn.

I think i saw one mission where beagle or some other streamerr took down over 40 enemies in that mission.

[Flying Dice]

It's basically an endless buffet if you have bad enough dudes.

[lordcooper]

I love that wounded troops are a thing.  In the predecessor I could make do with my A team and a couple of replacements to cycle in whenever someone died.

In this one I have an A team and a B team that keep switching places as one overtakes the other, a C team of lower level dudes to handle the easy missions and another 4 filler characters, and I'm still occasionally unable to field a full squad.

[Greenbane]

The following .ini configuration appears to work pretty well as far as performance improvements are concerned:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/200510/discussions/0/846960628563773260

[Urist Imiknorris]

base defense stuff

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I lucked out - there was a sniper perch right by the ramp that I could put both of my sharpshooters on, and my Phantom/SMG ranger just snuck to the objective and acted as a spotter while my grenadiers, specialist, and reinforcements all held the line. I ended up with 19/24 aliens killed and only two wounds.

[Flying Dice]

Hah, just had my bacon pulled out of the fire by blind luck. Or, more specifically, a soldier with Untouchable that I'd forgotten about.

[Darkening Kaos]

     I like how when your grenadier does a round of suppression, there is a growing pile of spent shells at her feet.

[Neonivek]

Neonivek will always find a complaint about a game.  If the game were perfect he would reorganize his definitions so "perfect" means "bad."

Well no.

That is really my only complaint storywise. It feels like a cop-out a way to sidestep making you have the feels since your killing innocent citizens.

Mutants or no, ADVENT soldiers are directly working with the aliens in an oppressive regime, they're neither "innocent" nor "civilians" by any means of the term.

At least at the start of the game how indoctrinated they are is up for grabs. Whether they fully believe in the alien's EVIL plans... or if they are just like... high ranking scientologists who eat the drivel they are told without question because they are particularly favored is up for grabs.

In fact I have yet to see anything that contradicts this ambiguity.

[Persus13]

In XCOM:EU it was clear that all of the alien species were heavily modified from their initial states, especially the Chryssalids and the Thin men. Would you expect them to change that for their human subjects?

[piecewise]

List of WHY:
1. Enemies still get free movement turns when you see them.
2. Obnoxious timers have been shoved onto 80-90% of the missions.
3. Graphics look identical to the old game yet it runs far worse.
4. Stealth, which could be great, is super simplistic. And I find that it often ends up going poorly for me because of issue 1. Hard to do a good ambush when the enemies can just run away and flank you the moment you appear.

[Neonivek]

In XCOM:EU it was clear that all of the alien species were heavily modified from their initial states, especially the Chryssalids and the Thin men. Would you expect them to change that for their human subjects?

Try to keep them relatively human looking and using non-outward appearance changing mutations and modification in order to preserve peace.

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1) Yeah that hurts
2) I personally think it is because if you were calm and careful you could beat pretty much all the missions without them easily.
3) I personally think it is due to the larger maps, more intricate AI, and more advanced map gen
4) There are ways to do it, you need to basically ambush them.

[Cthulhu]

Enemies got free movement turns before.  What, would you rather they just stand there in the open and let you kill them immediately?

The optimization is an issue though it seems to be centered around AA.  The game's got some extreme AA settings that basically no computer can handle on maximum.

Still, there's no excuse for 30 fps.

Neonivek, did you "not see" the part where the troops are having orders beamed directly into their brain and are basically a hive-mind?  Whenever you talk about stuff like this I can't help but feel like you're sending us messages from a different universe and that's why there's this block in communications.

My main complaint right now is I feel like the game gets going too fast.  I mean it's good for giving you that us vs the world feel, but XCOM EU started you out with sectoids and floaters, gradually added new mechanics and tactics to the situation, and still managed to be really challenging.  This one you've got psionics, melee guys, grenades, special abilities, all kinds of shit pretty much from day 1.

I'm kind of at a loss as to what to do about shocklancers right now.  Aside from everyone running away and overwatching and even then you've got a pretty good chance of losing that fight.  THey can hit you from so far away, do so much damage, have so much health, that basically you kill them on the turn they appear or someone's dead.

I just need to start playing this like it's impossible.  Move slow, hunker down more, no shotguns, grenade everything, and don't advance for flanks unless you know nobody's there.

[Neonivek]

Neonivek, did you "not see" the part where the troops are having orders beamed directly into their brain and are basically a hive-mind?  Whenever you talk about stuff like this I can't help but feel like you're sending us messages from a different universe and that's why there's this block in communications.

Frankly I have no idea why we are having this communication problem. Especially since I am talking about how I feel about the game, rather then an assertion as to what it is.

As for "Did not see" I saw it... it isn't too important. You can be an evil slave.

All I am saying is that the lowest level troops being alien hybrids feel far too much, to me, like the game is trying to avoid the sort of ambiguity, to the person playing not in objective terms, that killing possible innocents would have created... especially since you are a terrorist cell.