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Socialist

16 (32%)

Green

8 (16%)

Peace and Freedom

2 (4%)

Democratic

1 (2%)

Transhumanist

11 (22%)

Libertarian

8 (16%)

Republican

2 (4%)

Constitution

2 (4%)

Total Members Voted: 49

[Aedel]

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social liberals got nothing on me

[Gentlefish]

Greetings, fellow comrade!

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That sounds like either an "Agree" or a "Neutral", depending upon your exact limitations of "convenience". The question is if abortion should be legal, you think that abortion in many forms should be legal. No matter how strongly you support the legality, you're only supporting a fraction of abortions.

A person could answer "Disagree" to that question while thinking that abortion should be allowed in instances of, as the saying goes, "rape, incest, and protection of the mother's health" -  They are against abortions in all but a couple of select categories. If they were against abortions in all cases but, say, the rare instance that the mother will definitely die if the birth goes through, then they would be justified in selecting "Strongly Disagree" instead.

It's the "percentage" of reasonable scenarios that your answer applies to that makes the difference between Neutral/Agree/Strongly Agree, in my eyes, and this works for pretty much every issue.

Since this is a tangent, I will spoilerize.

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That's a loaded response though.  It requires that I somehow KNOW exactly what the composition of requested abortion procedures are for.

For reference, I view the following as valid reasons to get an abortion:

"I am in a committed relationship, but my partner and I are not financially secure enough to raise a child, and we cannot afford to take maternity leave."
"I just started a relationship, and am not prepared to care for a child at this time. I took every precaution available to me, and I just got very unlucky."
"I have a relationship with a long term sexual partner, but my partner has strongly opposed the idea of having children. We take precautions to avoid pregnancy, but here we are."
etc.

The one case I am against is "If I want to fuck every hot dude I see, I want to be able to do it, and not worry about being pregnant, Ok?! Abortions are a way of life for me!"

It is my opinion that most abortions will come from some combination of the prior decision making processes, and not from the latter.

Baby, this whole thread is about starting tangential lines. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Your objection was that your viewpoint is somewhat traditionalist, but is being graded as progressive, yeah? I think that you're severely underestimating how far "traditional" can go. If the only thing about abortions you're against is on-demand abortion but would allow it in cases of, as Wikipedia classifies it "maternal life, mental health, health, rape, fetal defects, and/or socioeconomic factors", then you are still on the progressive side of the line.

Your pathos about preventing consequence-free sex is fairly traditional, yeah, but the pathos of a political position is its least important factor. There are plenty of people in the world who think that abortions should just be illegal no matter what and abortion doctors should all be killed. A good fifth of the US, a developed western nation, think that abortion should be illegal "in all cases", not even providing the typical exception of "rape, incest, and health". How's that for traditional?

Fact is, you're on the progressive side of this compared to all the more restrictive opinions out there. In fact, if that's your only quibble you could even justifiably answer "Strongly Agree". The quiz is right to assign you progressive points instead of traditional points for this question, because you are far and away from the acceptable answers to a pro-life person.

In addition, it's not about the actual composition of requests for abortion. I mean that it's about the percentage you're to one side or another in the way we discuss the issue. It's the frequency of the exceptions tacked on to the "Yes/No, but..." that virtually everyone has. And, of course, if one doesn't feel strongly enough to say basically yes or basically no, they probably should be answering Neutral.

I hold generic wireframe images of Earth closer to my heart than most people would think possible, probable, or moral.

This is interesting. So far things have been going as I expected, with most people holding the economy (Social-Market) and societal issues (Traditional-Progressive) as the most important, as they usually do in general polling.

Civil and diplomatic issues are far less likely to be the most strongly felt. Would you explain why diplomatic issues are strong points to you, compared to the typical ones?

[Eric Blank]

I am a centrist, balanced, moderate, neutral.

I am literally satan to everyone who isnt me.

[heydude6]

I am a centrist, balanced, moderate, neutral.

I am literally satan to everyone who isnt me.

Welcome almost brother!

[TempAcc]

-capitalist slander-

-capitalism intensified-

BY MARX, SEIZE THESE CAPITALISTS!

You can't stop us, you baka

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[A Thing]

I hold generic wireframe images of Earth closer to my heart than most people would think possible, probable, or moral.

This is interesting. So far things have been going as I expected, with most people holding the economy (Social-Market) and societal (Traditional-Progressive) issues as the most important, as the usually do in general polling.

Civil and diplomatic issues are far less likely to be the most strongly felt. Would you explain why diplomatic issues are a strong points to you, compared to the typical ones?

Not sure how well I can explain it, but it's mostly because I don't consider nations to be long-lasting. As far as this quiz goes this means I see expansion as something that will do more harm then good in the long run. I also consider every culture to be flawed in some way; which as far as this quiz goes means I'm not really into cultural expansion or assimilation.

Beyond that I'm not exactly keen on making absolute statements on political subjects. Probably just means I'm indecisive.

Edit: added another paragraph

[wierd]

I hold generic wireframe images of Earth closer to my heart than most people would think possible, probable, or moral.

This is interesting. So far things have been going as I expected, with most people holding the economy (Social-Market) and societal issues (Traditional-Progressive) as the most important, as they usually do in general polling.

Civil and diplomatic issues are far less likely to be the most strongly felt. Would you explain why diplomatic issues are strong points to you, compared to the typical ones?

Reminds:
Diplomatic Axis: Peaceful
Nation: 35.1% / World: 64.9%

For me, the concept of Nationalism is abhorrent, and directly traceable to a plethora of ills. It is the global version of the tragedy of the commons, where every nation believes they can shit in the fishbowl, and it is their right to do so--screw those other nations, they don't count!

Since I value the commons of a habitable planet, I find the nationalistic battlecry to be like hearing rusty nails screeching down a blackboard. On the other hand, I do feel that there should be limits on what other nations are allowed to do to a country not aligned with them-- bullying is not an acceptable tactic. The problem, is that many nations want to "upset the climate" so to speak, to gain some form of social or economic advantage, to improve their power, authority, or standing-- for the purposes of self-enrichment at the deficit of all other nations and peoples.  This is sociopathy to me, and I despise it.  For things that do not have any real impact outside of their nation, the internal politics of that nation should not be meddled with. That is the balance I personally find ideal.

[Loud Whispers]

Equality: 59.1%, Markets: 40.9%
Economic Axis: Centrist
Yeah that makes sense, I do favour a hybrid approach between state intervention, public ownership, environmental regulation and private enterprise.

Nation: 65.4%, World: 34.6%
Diplomatic Axis: Patriotic
Rather unsurprising tbh, it did ask for my opinion on the EU. My view on the importance of the UN was high, for as corrupt, inefficient and abusive as it is, it does have its role in the world. Once had an absolute chance encounter with a health minister from the UN (who had flown all the way to London to sort out his bank screwing him over an administrative error), who was very open about the inefficiency, how if 5% of the project money actually went to the project it was deemed a success. In his words, organizations like the UN are horrendous, yet they are curiously indispensable - their job could not be done by another organization. There will come a time for global institutions, and that is when individual nations are incapable of affording a foreign policy, only then will global government become the least necessary evil. That day has not yet come.

Liberty: 31.5%, Authority: 68.5%
Civil Axis: Statist
A very reluctant statist, I have found it is useless to resist state authority on a rainy socialist island when the majority of the population see no issue with it, nor see issue with it being exercised through private entities. Moreover, in the absence of state authority, people create their own, and they're usually not terribly good at it. Very much opting for the most competent of evils, the one least likely to start a civil war - though, 400 years since the last civil war was caused by the state.

Tradition: 55.2%, Progress: 44.8%
Societal Axis: Neutral
Seems right, I don't believe the two are exclusive values, and my stances tend to reflect these attempts to maintain tradition and progress. Why the need to excise one in order to have the other? It is like a seedling asking whether to cut off its shoots or its roots, it will need to cultivate both in order to survive, prosper and multiply.

Closest Match: Theocratic Distributism
Well it's closer than the other political compass tests have gotten, which usually place me in the middle of absolute neutrality or social liberalism. I don't believe in theocracy, however I have observed that in the absence of religious institutions, people tend to form apocalyptic cults or go wild without self-restraint, two extremes I don't particularly like seeing in society. Thus neither theocracy, nor secular, but theocratic - accurate enough. Distributism is a neat idea, can't say I've heard about it before today, though it seems 19th century English Toryism was influenced a great deal by it, so it would make sense if my modern Toryish socio-economic mindset was a close enough match to distributism, myself supporting the conservative Tories faction.

According to distributists, property ownership is a fundamental right, and the means of production should be spread as widely as possible, rather than being centralized under the control of the state (state socialism), a few individuals (plutocracy), or corporations (corporatocracy). Distributism, therefore, advocates a society marked by widespread property ownership.

Now that's all agreeable to me, mightily fine. In the contest between socialists and capitalists I would prefer to see neither necessarily rule.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

And just like that, we have a civil issue supporter. I'm surprised, I was expecting we'd eventually get a minority of nationalists or internationalists for whom diplomatic issues come first, and maybe a chance of a committed internet libertarian, but I wasn't expecting anybody to have Authority be their strongest support.

I pose to you the same question as I did A Thing, LW: Why are civil issues more strongly held by you than than the economy, society, and diplomacy?

[DAPARROT]

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seems acuurate

[Helgoland]

And just like that, we have a civil issue supporter. I'm surprised, I was expecting we'd eventually get a minority of nationalists or internationalists for whom diplomatic issues come first, and maybe a chance of a committed internet libertarian, but I wasn't expecting anybody to have Authority be their strongest support.

I pose to you the same question as I did A Thing, LW: Why are civil issues more strongly held by you than than the economy, society, and diplomacy?

I can only speculate, but it might be that in the context of European politics civil issues are the area where the traditional nationalism expresses itself. Asserting superiority or starting trade wars no longer makes sense, so these convictions surface in different ways. Hell, I reckon I do the same thing from a Unionist point of view, at least when I ignore the possibility of the Union taking action on the global stage.

[misko27]

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My results were about just liberal enough to lean in that direction, but centrist enough for it to give up most of the time and call me neutral. Only on the societal axis did it feel confident enough to push me into "progressive", and even then not very far.

If this quiz could feel emotions, I'd expect it to be very frustrated with me. "Do you like International Institutions like the UN?" Sure. "Is your country great?" You better believe it. "What about regional organizations?" Depends. Often times my answers would flip entirely depending on specific word choice, which is the sign of hidden variables. My entire civil axis could be described by two questions: "Does the government have the right to do X?" Probably. "Should it do X?" Probably not. It's only on the progress axis that it finally forced me in one direction, and only then because it asked questions like "How do you like the science?" Even there, I'm sure I frustrated it. So I got "Liberalism" out of this.

Really, I like political axis as much as the next guy; probably more so! But it's hard to reconcile things like the diplomatic axis; if I'm an interventionist, is that Nation (going around, spreading freedom everywhere, Murica!) or World (not respecting national sovereignty, focus on human rights and the greater good?). It can be either depending on the context. That calls for an isolationism-internationalism and War vs Peace axis.

[Kot]

*angrily shakes an AK*

[Gentlefish]

Viva la, comrade! Set the foundation and I shall construct a beautiful Motherland!