Break free from this prison of green+1
No. Survival of the strong! Dominate the weak! And so on and so forth.
Eat the grub!+1
But if its bigger than you run awayEat the grub!+1
Try to evade the charge, if successful, quickly attempt a counter
Try to evade the charge, if successful, quickly attempt a counter
Consume a single grub, then travel away from the rest of the brood before forming a cocoon.
This but with eating more of our siblingsConsume a single grub, then travel away from the rest of the brood before forming a cocoon.
Consume a single grub, then travel away from the rest of the brood before forming a cocoon.
Finish off the pack leader, to show dominance.+1
Asess your dominance! shriek in wrath and kill the pack leader, taking his place!
Make sure his death is impressively gory. You know, ripping out guts, decapitation, eating heart, dismembering...
FLEE. We must recover. Find weak, defenseless things to feed upon. We must conquer all.
Counter charging packie, grab it by a leg, rip it off and skitter away to safety with it. Swear revenge upon pack leader.
+1Counter charging packie, grab it by a leg, rip it off and skitter away to safety with it. Swear revenge upon pack leader.
+1
FLEE. We must recover. Find weak, defenseless things to feed upon. We must conquer all.
Posting to watch, but I think the name should be Agamemnon.
I vote for the name being Ouroboros.
I vote that, since we seem to be an insect larva who is in danger of death, we put off names.
Typically, they've been sentient.I vote that, since we seem to be an insect larva who is in danger of death, we put off names.You're acting like characters in worse situations haven't been named on Bay12 before.
Are we a zerg larva?No. Zerg larvae do not eat each other. (If they did, I would be in serious trouble... <- plays as zerg in SC2)
Wait, then why is a protoss sentinal your avatar?Are we a zerg larva?No. Zerg larvae do not eat each other. (If they did, I would be in serious trouble... <- plays as zerg in SC2)
Irony?Wait, then why is a protoss sentinal your avatar?Are we a zerg larva?No. Zerg larvae do not eat each other. (If they did, I would be in serious trouble... <- plays as zerg in SC2)
By hand, foot, and skull.+1
By hand, foot, and skull. And tool.+1.
What tools do we have, then?Basically whacking it with a rock.
Kill.I'm famous enough for that to be official?
Everything.
Pull a Xantalos.
...Only more successful.
These voices are obviously those of the witches that changed you from your noble insectly path down this filthy mammalian one. Slaughter them. And eat their heart for their strength and brains for their wisdom, maybe you can change yourself back into a noble armoured warrior, traveling the world in search of love and peace. Okay, maybe not peace.were are my ZERGS? >:(
You are not a zerg.These voices are obviously those of the witches that changed you from your noble insectly path down this filthy mammalian one. Slaughter them. And eat their heart for their strength and brains for their wisdom, maybe you can change yourself back into a noble armoured warrior, traveling the world in search of love and peace. Okay, maybe not peace.were are my ZERGS? >:(
(do not take this seriously)
You have a three-chamber heart, for example. And a chambered stomach!That is rather inefficient. Would it be possible to get a status mod that could fix our three chambered heart? Perhaps bump us up a ventricle?
>Make a grunting noise. Failing that, enter their sight.
I step out for a few hours, and just look at what you guys did to our charmingly handsome alien platypus. He's a goblin now. You just had to pick the boring tool option.I believe by now that whatever we were to choose, that would have not changed the fact that we are now a greenskin.
Go ask someone else who might know.Make sure they don't look important. And get out of the elders' sight first.
EAT DIRT.THIS ISN'T A MINIMALIST RtD.
Fireflies and vines.OH MY GOD! We're gonna find the Serenity!
Fireflies and vines.OH MY GOD! We're gonna find the Serenity!
This is now a noble quest that shall elevate us above the ranks of the most powerful gobos! We'll rule from the sky in our iron... thing. We don't know what to call it.
...Burn the land, boil the seas.Metal skybeast?Fireflies and vines.OH MY GOD! We're gonna find the Serenity!
This is now a noble quest that shall elevate us above the ranks of the most powerful gobos! We'll rule from the sky in our iron... thing. We don't know what to call it.
And yeah, Fireflies and vines makes sense. Try to find some!
...And I just gave our poor little fellow a mental tic, didn't I?
even coming close to the Goblins largest settlement on Earth, Golsa, in OHIO, North America.wait, what?
Sidestory: Goblins eventually settle a city in Ohio.even coming close to the Goblins largest settlement on Earth, Golsa, in OHIO, North America.wait, what?
Do that mean goblins do not know metallurgy? besides marteled gold?Sillly person, that magical thing called steel is the sole realm of the dwarves. We're limited to copper, brass, and, at best, iron.
NEW LONG TERM MAIN QUEST: THE SECRET OF STEEL.
Is there even dwarves in this setting?Do that mean goblins do not know metallurgy? besides marteled gold?Sillly person, that magical thing called steel is the sole realm of the dwarves. We're limited to copper, brass, and, at best, iron.
NEW LONG TERM MAIN QUEST: THE SECRET OF STEEL.
No.Is there even dwarves in this setting?Do that mean goblins do not know metallurgy? besides marteled gold?Sillly person, that magical thing called steel is the sole realm of the dwarves. We're limited to copper, brass, and, at best, iron.
NEW LONG TERM MAIN QUEST: THE SECRET OF STEEL.
What are the other 20%?The same Shamanist-ish religion they are here. Some would have converted but the Pope called a no-go, citing xenoanthropology. The pope at this point's a pretty cool dude, for the kind of hyper religious person that you need to be to be the pope. :P
As close as possible!+1
I say the twisted sky rock, it sounds ominousI'll vote for this as well, although I don't think it would be very powerful, given the level of the others artifacts (a flamethrower, a lamp, some written tablet, a piece of something (I'd say some starship plating), an electrolytic respirator and some box.)
Mra in this context translates to Stone(s).I say the twisted sky rock, it sounds ominousI'll vote for this as well, although I don't think it would be very powerful, given the level of the others artifacts (a flamethrower, a lamp, some written tablet, a piece of something (I'd say some starship plating), an electrolytic respirator and some box.)
Also our chief's title is Kamra, while others are just Ka (chief? Kaka would be chief-chief.). Does that refer to the Device? It should be very important if carrying it give a title.
Everyone seems to agree to go.
However, act polite and courteous toward her.
+2Everyone seems to agree to go.
However, act polite and courteous toward her.
+1
+3+2Everyone seems to agree to go.
However, act polite and courteous toward her.
+1
First, try to recall why everyone seems to hate her. I think It might have to do with her supposed refusal to marry and that conspicuous un that you added to her name immediate after explaining what un means. Probably shouldn't mention that one out loud though. Also,+100 we're not seeking a mate, just a friend/ally. Also as she's supposed to go get married, her protector shouldn't show any interest in her (unless on the express purpose to make it fail).+3+2Everyone seems to agree to go.
However, act polite and courteous toward her.
+1
One-eye is staring you down like you just murdered a clutch of eggs in front of him.Which you probably did. Potential eggs though. With a low probability of existence, but you still murdered that probability of some eggs. :P
I laughed hard. You made a masterwork "you will like these characters, now" here. I fell for it (without regret). ;D
"No."
"Yes."
"No."
"Yes!"
"No."
"Yes!"
"Yes."
"NO! I mean-" Alca stutters, skin turning a deep brown as the blood rushes to her face.
Everything kaian said!
Hrm...I like this one a bit better, actually, this way we can exploit our advantages. Then we take out his hands. If he can't hold a weapon he can't fight as effectively, since we have the advantage of ranges as well then.
Try to bait him - get him charging at us, dodge, or something like that - jab at him with spear, try to stay at long range. Above all, don't close to meele, and if we do, go for the weak spots, particuarly the eye. Wear him down, then take out his legs when he stars lagging.
+1. Focus on avoiding attacks for now. Makes him look like a dumb Goliath and us like a guilesome David.Hrm...I like this one a bit better, actually, this way we can exploit our advantages. Then we take out his hands. If he can't hold a weapon he can't fight as effectively, since we have the advantage of ranges as well then.
Try to bait him - get him charging at us, dodge, or something like that - jab at him with spear, try to stay at long range. Above all, don't close to meele, and if we do, go for the weak spots, particuarly the eye. Wear him down, then take out his legs when he stars lagging.
Oh god didn't we maim another grub back when we were a grub?http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=119153.msg3800736#msg3800736
...Oh god.
Yess...pull a pocket sand on him and try to disable the leg we wounded.+1. Also avoid getting hurt.
For anyone wondering, look up 'King of the Hill pocket sand'.Yess...pull a pocket sand on him and try to disable the leg we wounded.+1. Also avoid getting hurt.
Yess...pull a pocket FURS on him and try to disable the leg we wounded.
But if there's an appropriate opening (unlikely, I know), go for the eye.Or the ear.
He has two ears, one eye. Also, eyes are more important than ears for fighting.But if there's an appropriate opening (unlikely, I know), go for the eye.Or the ear.
But ears lost unbalance him, remember?He has two ears, one eye. Also, eyes are more important than ears for fighting.But if there's an appropriate opening (unlikely, I know), go for the eye.Or the ear.
No idea what you're talking about... quote, please?But ears lost unbalance him, remember?He has two ears, one eye. Also, eyes are more important than ears for fighting.But if there's an appropriate opening (unlikely, I know), go for the eye.Or the ear.
No.Is there even dwarves in this setting?Do that mean goblins do not know metallurgy? besides marteled gold?Sillly person, that magical thing called steel is the sole realm of the dwarves. We're limited to copper, brass, and, at best, iron.
NEW LONG TERM MAIN QUEST: THE SECRET OF STEEL.
There are Elves but the Elves are technically Goblins, just a bit culturally...
We'll get to them in time, don't worry.
To break any confusion this is nothing like DF or any generic fantasy world. Your goblin is short, brown, wrinkly, has goat eyes and eight fingers, and his ears are literally the same size as his head (losing one actually puts a goblin off balance because they're so heavy. They have to relearn how to walk the same way suddenly having one arm replaced by solid iron would screw with a human.). The term Goblin isn't even the word they use, they call themselves "people" in their language: "Ulsa". Goblin is the name given to them by Human settlers, which they adopted after they took to Anglo-mandarin.
Also they become about 30% catholic, 40% buddhist and 10% other, depending on which tribe was contacted by which settlers. But this is all extraneous; are you all out of questions? should we move on to the next Chapter?
Trip him!Then FINISH HIM
I was thinking of giving him a chance to surrender, destroying his remaining eye if he refused, and giving him one last chance first.Trip him!Then FINISH HIM
Wait, what happened to plan 'wear him down'?We started winning without it.
But cockyness is not what we need; pressing the attack will backfire. Our stamina is the only advantage we've got.Wait, what happened to plan 'wear him down'?We started winning without it.
That, and the fact that while our average damage per turn is 200% greater than his, his remaining health is about 80% of ours.But cockyness is not what we need; pressing the attack will backfire. Our stamina is the only advantage we've got.Wait, what happened to plan 'wear him down'?We started winning without it.
I'll be here waiting.That, and the fact that while our average damage per turn is 200% greater than his, his remaining health is about 80% of ours.But cockyness is not what we need; pressing the attack will backfire. Our stamina is the only advantage we've got.Wait, what happened to plan 'wear him down'?We started winning without it.
One good strike on his part is all it takes to get me back to Team Stamina, but for now...I'll be here waiting.That, and the fact that while our average damage per turn is 200% greater than his, his remaining health is about 80% of ours.But cockyness is not what we need; pressing the attack will backfire. Our stamina is the only advantage we've got.Wait, what happened to plan 'wear him down'?We started winning without it.
Very well.Follow it by cutting out his heart as an offering to the Sun god.
+1 to tripping and coup de gráce.
Shit. We should have dodged and continued the wearing down. If we manage to get a moment, we could patch this up with improvised shirt-bandages (only ripping a small amount). But it's unlikely for us to get enough time for this anyway. The good thing is that we likely won't have much things stuck in the wound (because we were barechested), which limit the infection.That. And maybe we should stick to the whole wearing him down thing.
We must limit our moves to the bare minimum.
+1Shit. We should have dodged and continued the wearing down. If we manage to get a moment, we could patch this up with improvised shirt-bandages (only ripping a small amount). But it's unlikely for us to get enough time for this anyway. The good thing is that we likely won't have much things stuck in the wound (because we were barechested), which limit the infection.That. And maybe we should stick to the whole wearing him down thing.
We must limit our moves to the bare minimum.
What kaian said.Yeah, yeah, shut up. Don't make me bring up how you kept trying to destroy the universe.
On a side note:
TOLD YOU SO
I? I'm nought but an idea floating through our little goblin's mind; how could I possibly get the idea to destroy the universe?Saying that you told us so wasn't meta?
No seriously, different games. No meta.
I mean meta as referring to me here as the same character from YAFB. If so the goblin would be either dead or crazy.I? I'm nought but an idea floating through our little goblin's mind; how could I possibly get the idea to destroy the universe?Saying that you told us so wasn't meta?
No seriously, different games. No meta.
Who was that character controlled by?I mean meta as referring to me here as the same character from YAFB. If so the goblin would be either dead or crazy.I? I'm nought but an idea floating through our little goblin's mind; how could I possibly get the idea to destroy the universe?Saying that you told us so wasn't meta?
No seriously, different games. No meta.
What character?Who was that character controlled by?I mean meta as referring to me here as the same character from YAFB. If so the goblin would be either dead or crazy.I? I'm nought but an idea floating through our little goblin's mind; how could I possibly get the idea to destroy the universe?Saying that you told us so wasn't meta?
No seriously, different games. No meta.
What character?Who was that character controlled by?I mean meta as referring to me here as the same character from YAFB. If so the goblin would be either dead or crazy.I? I'm nought but an idea floating through our little goblin's mind; how could I possibly get the idea to destroy the universe?Saying that you told us so wasn't meta?
No seriously, different games. No meta.
the same character from YAFB
That slippery snake, fight along side Alca
We're out numbered. We have to cover Alca since He/She/It(can't remember gender)is uninjured. We are going to have to be a little less aggressive, because they have the advantage.AlcA. She's a girl.
Wait, why's she tougher than us?Muhahahahahahahahaha
I like how the most emotional reaction to Alca whooping ass is "Oh btw... Go ask why she needed protection."It's rather that we nearly died for the right to protect a girl that ended up protecting us, so we're kind of humiliated here. The reaction is more going to yell "WTF?" at the nearest responsible person.
Everyone else is just like, "meh.". It's kind of funny.
Maybe I need to ramp it up a little.... >:D
Don't move, you're still weak. Just stay silent and listen. Listen carefully.
Don't move, you're still weak. Just stay silent and listen. Listen carefully.
Don't move, you're still weak. Just stay silent and listen. Listen carefully.
Don't move, you're still weak. Just stay silent and listen. Listen carefully.
Why would caution be against the rules?How long until this is against the rules again?Don't move, you're still weak. Just stay silent and listen. Listen carefully.
This started off with Bugs, ended up with goblins, And now aliens.....???The plot.
What is going through your head...?
(I think they want their rock back?)
I think he was talking about the Neanderthals. :PWe already made a commitment to go with Alca.
Anyways, I say we try to volunteer to investigate this unusual development.
I thought they were going to marry her off to strengthen an alliance?It was only a pretext to get on their territory.
Well, when the little fight had happened, it was to decide who would escort Alca and no one truly wonDidn't we win by default when he cheated and ran?
That is up to the elders...Why? He clearly forfeited.
-Khet means warrior. It's neutral, but generally more positive than negative. It implies honor, strength, and a slight lack of self control.Guessable. Besides the honor bit I think he deserve it fully.
"They triped and fell. on their spears. Several times. There may have been rocks involved."Nice. I see what you did there. :P
... Alca-un? Is there something she's not telling us?She's just a tomboy. She get the male suffix because she act very not womanly.
I'll pick in my personnal generic-fantasy-names pool...this
...
Arkai? The title is not up to us if I understood well. We will be -sha anyway.
Arkai-sha.
Sounds good enough.
NINJA'D EDIT:... Alca-un? Is there something she's not telling us?She's just a tomboy. She get the male suffix because she act very not womanly.
Not to compliment myself, but managing to derail a thread about goblins to a discussion about vacuums. Masterful.Maybe that's what the religious artifact really is!
-a = A "title" that says she's a girl. Meaning she's an egglayer.Wouldn't a Alca still be an egglayer though? I'm just curious. Is that the reason Ulla doesn't like her, because she is unable or refuses to lay eggs?
Egglaying isn't something they can stop. Alca isn't quite old enough for her first clutch yet, but soon enough she'll be laying.-a = A "title" that says she's a girl. Meaning she's an egglayer.Wouldn't a Alca still be an egglayer though? I'm just curious. Is that the reason Ulla doesn't like her, because she is unable or refuses to lay eggs?
Oh, so it's like calling a woman "sir" or a man "ma'am" to criticize them.Egglaying isn't something they can stop. Alca isn't quite old enough for her first clutch yet, but soon enough she'll be laying.-a = A "title" that says she's a girl. Meaning she's an egglayer.Wouldn't a Alca still be an egglayer though? I'm just curious. Is that the reason Ulla doesn't like her, because she is unable or refuses to lay eggs?
Ulla doesn't like anyone.
Alca-un is Ulla being rude and basically calling Alca a tomboy. This is because Alca doesn't act more feminine. The particular tribe of goblins is the most humanoid in culture, so A perfect goblin woman would be very close to Amma, or the Japanese notion of Yamato Nadeshiko (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YamatoNadeshiko), with a touch more iron than either. Alca, for comparison, is basically all iron. As is Ulla, but Ulla is just a grump and makes fun of everybody. Did you see how she treated Amma? And Amma is her best friend.
E: I'll put up a poll if it's just these two names.
Sir is gender neutral. A female knight would still be referred to as sir. Presumably so would a female commanding officer, for the military.Oh, so it's like calling a woman "sir" or a man "ma'am" to criticize them.Egglaying isn't something they can stop. Alca isn't quite old enough for her first clutch yet, but soon enough she'll be laying.-a = A "title" that says she's a girl. Meaning she's an egglayer.Wouldn't a Alca still be an egglayer though? I'm just curious. Is that the reason Ulla doesn't like her, because she is unable or refuses to lay eggs?
Ulla doesn't like anyone.
Alca-un is Ulla being rude and basically calling Alca a tomboy. This is because Alca doesn't act more feminine. The particular tribe of goblins is the most humanoid in culture, so A perfect goblin woman would be very close to Amma, or the Japanese notion of Yamato Nadeshiko (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YamatoNadeshiko), with a touch more iron than either. Alca, for comparison, is basically all iron. As is Ulla, but Ulla is just a grump and makes fun of everybody. Did you see how she treated Amma? And Amma is her best friend.
E: I'll put up a poll if it's just these two names.
And I meant laying fertilized eggs. I'm assuming she could help that.
And yes to poll.
Well Raun was an early apprentice for military, they don't get into REAL fightsStill wasn't in the military. You don't call a hunter "sir" in the same way you call someone in the military "sir."
Alca was an early apprentice to a hunter, and because she has to kill stuff earlier on, she develops a more hardened body earlier on;especially since she fights wild animals, most likely with spear and hands
I was referring to the last bit on damage/healthOh. Yeah. Makes sense, and hunters were pretty much barefist in the far past.
Edit: Early on, military CAN be worse than a barefist hunter
Methodically, she would have to excel at killing her enemy before it killed herYeah, if these guys are the same as pre-agricultural humans, then they probably use spears.
She could also use the stupid melee spears, and dirt as a weapon if need be
A wild boar with enormous tusks charges at youIf it's charging at you, you're gonna want to just run diagonal. Dirt isn't really all that good at blinding, and you're not really going to engage the boar in fisticuffs. You run around, keep him at arms length. I mean, it won't hurt you to try, but dirt isn't going to have that much of an impact. A better tactic is to have two or three of you in a group, have one distract them, and have the rest stab from different sides. I mean, it's a boarfight, not a barfight.
weapons :Bonn
A blinded boar wont fight as well,and is less likely to gore you violently, and can be more easily dodged
Quadruped. Just for future use.A wild boar with enormous tusks charges at youIf it's charging at you, you're gonna want to just run diagonal. Dirt isn't really all that good at blinding, and you're not really going to engage the boar in fisticuffs. You run around, keep him at arms length. I mean, it won't hurt you to try, but dirt isn't going to have that much of an impact. A better tactic is to have two or three of you in a group, have one distract them, and have the rest stab from different sides. I mean, it's a boarfight, not a barfight.
weapons :Bonn
A blinded boar wont fight as well,and is less likely to gore you violently, and can be more easily dodged
Also, he's typically rooting around in the dirt. A bit in the face won't bother him. Think of boars like quadraped (is that spelled right? My computer keeps telling me it's "quad-raped") Dwarves. Wait, why are we talking about boars? I guess against a bear, it would be more viable.
I like how you took my completely random scenario for reference, and turned it into a war about facts and tactis:pI... have a habit of doing this. At lunch, I steered a conversation with a friend from "That painting looks kinda wrong" to "Everything is Dicks."
Awesome!
>Say something about being glad to be the receptacle of history. You are proud to have learned past and present history from Ulla-shamam, and eager to register future events, and later teach everything to another hatchling. Being a shaman is being a link in a chain that transcend time, and you couldn't have wished a better destiny.
>Enjoy post-ceremony festivities with Alca (she's the closest we have to a friend if I remember well)
>In the following day(s), ask Ulla-sha if she has any specific task for us, or something we should do. If she hasn't (and nobody else does), just follow Alca or try to make friends.
+1+1 to both
Might have to change title GM, as we are no longer w hatchoing
Merry +1 to all, and to all a good [insert time of day in your time zone].Awesome!
>Say something about being glad to be the receptacle of history. You are proud to have learned past and present history from Ulla-shamam, and eager to register future events, and later teach everything to another hatchling. Being a shaman is being a link in a chain that transcend time, and you couldn't have wished a better destiny.
>Enjoy post-ceremony festivities with Alca (she's the closest we have to a friend if I remember well)
>In the following day(s), ask Ulla-sha if she has any specific task for us, or something we should do. If she hasn't (and nobody else does), just follow Alca or try to make friends.+1+1 to both
Might have to change title GM, as we are no longer w hatchoing
+ 1 und guten abend Herr Gelb! I hope I spelled that right. My Deutsch is a bit rusty. Bah, not like many of you will notice/care.Merry +1 to all, and to all a good [insert time of day in your time zone].Awesome!
>Say something about being glad to be the receptacle of history. You are proud to have learned past and present history from Ulla-shamam, and eager to register future events, and later teach everything to another hatchling. Being a shaman is being a link in a chain that transcend time, and you couldn't have wished a better destiny.
>Enjoy post-ceremony festivities with Alca (she's the closest we have to a friend if I remember well)
>In the following day(s), ask Ulla-sha if she has any specific task for us, or something we should do. If she hasn't (and nobody else does), just follow Alca or try to make friends.+1+1 to both
Might have to change title GM, as we are no longer w hatchoing
...Try to wake her up to talk with her, leave without otherwise touching her if that fails.Ask her how she is doing.
I dont like the idea of waking her up. She surely wont appreciate this...Not really sure if she'll care. She's kinda high off her ass right now.
I dunno. I'm more in favour of pulling the blanket up, tidying up the area a little bit and leaving her be. Plenty of things to do (presumably), and plenty of time to discuss later.Yeah, make her more comfortable. We want to show we aren't just trying to use her for information.
I dunno. I'm more in favour of pulling the blanket up, tidying up the area a little bit and leaving her be. Plenty of things to do (presumably), and plenty of time to discuss later.This. If she wakes up, act courteously and all; we don't need our asses kicked.
Wait.
Mud is wet dirt.
...
EAT MUD.
:P
Let's go with Ishtar.What other feature is more obvious? To an alien, I mean? The wider hips and rounder form are more subtle, especially to someone who comes from a species where neither are what determine Gender.
((I'm amused that gender was described by chest size...of course that's what our character noticed...)
The planet should be called Dunwich. Just because.The goblin tribes aren't all that big, the four or five in the Confedaration you're part of only number about 500 combined. It's possible the ships AI noticed and didn't mention it. He's like that.
((Also: Pretty shitty colonization effort if they didn't notice the local sentients beforehand. :P))
((Maybe they didn't go where they intended?))Alpha Centauri B, fourth planet out.
Those were examples.Yeah, so have I. I guess those are more obvious to humans though.
I've met many women without prominent chests who were unmistakably feminine.
Meh, point.
Thecard: Dunwich is a reference to the H. P. Lovecraft story 'The Dunwich Horror'. Learn your classic horror literature, dude. :POh. I haven't read much horror beyond King. I keep meaning to get on to Lovecraft, but I can never find the time.
PS: we're around Alpha Centauri B? Did you read that (http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1241/)?Does the GM know something we don't?
No.PS: we're around Alpha Centauri B? Did you read that (http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1241/)?Does the GM know something we don't?
Naw, that wouldn't have made sense in the context of a joke. :PNo.PS: we're around Alpha Centauri B? Did you read that (http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1241/)?Does the GM know something we don't?
Did you note the bit where it's too hot for life?
I did. 0.04 AU? damn, that's HOT. But this is Alpha Centauri B a. We're on Alpha Centauri B d (the fourth planet).No.PS: we're around Alpha Centauri B? Did you read that (http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1241/)?Does the GM know something we don't?
Did you note the bit where it's too hot for life?
Kaian: You messed up with the planetary designation thing. :PYou're right. My mistake :/
The first planet found is b (Which in this case, would be the first planet in the system.). Ishtar could be Alpha Centauri B c for all we knwo.
What moron names anything important after anything from Lovecraft? That's just asking for trouble...
Let's explore. Take a piece of paper (or whatever replaced paper) and make a map so we can fake productivity.
It's been a full page and no suggestions?
Do you guys want me to just choose for you? Because I totally won't have you do something so insanely suicidal even the most deranged of people consider it scary.
Or maybe I'll just have you eaten by a grue. And describe it in gory, gory detail. Or impregnated by a chrysalid. I could you know. I could make you all alien pregnant, and you wouldn't even have to know until a bouncing baby boy explodes out of your ribcage into the love intrests face and then the baby devours her eyeballs.
Then again, Maybe I won't.
Maybe.
thisIt's been a full page and no suggestions?
Do you guys want me to just choose for you? Because I totally won't have you do something so insanely suicidal even the most deranged of people consider it scary.
Or maybe I'll just have you eaten by a grue. And describe it in gory, gory detail. Or impregnated by a chrysalid. I could you know. I could make you all alien pregnant, and you wouldn't even have to know until a bouncing baby boy explodes out of your ribcage into the love intrests face and then the baby devours her eyeballs.
Then again, Maybe I won't.
Maybe.
I'm just not interested in playing a human. I came for the Goblin-thingy. I don't want to give suggestions for an ordinary human.
We shall begin the long standing tradition of goblin theft.What, you wanna evolve into Kobolds now?
So get the fuck in that tower and steal EVERYTHING!
That wouldn't be bad, as long as we can actually do stuff without being chopped to pieces by a blind, deaf and dumb quadriplegic mouse with Alzheimers.That's like saying being a dog wouldn't be so bad if you weren't four-legged.
That wouldn't be bad, as long as we can actually do stuff without being chopped to pieces by a blind, deaf and dumb quadriplegic mouse with Alzheimers.Kobolds aren't that bad...
Get a quick look around to spot other weird things, then leave. Get back to cover and observe them for as long as your supplies allows you to.+1
+2Get a quick look around to spot other weird things, then leave. Get back to cover and observe them for as long as your supplies allows you to.+1
I guess it's time to ...
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Earsdrop.
YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
You're making a lot of assumptions from the fact that he's speaking in public. Sure, Hitler did that, but so did Obama. Are you suggesting that we can assume anyone who speaks in public is Hitlerian?I agree and that's exactly what we are trying to determine.
He could just be giving a speech congratulating them on making this such a fine colony already. Or telling a story. Or reporting a crime. Or organizing a search party.
Didn't it say that the people were getting rather agitated looking?You're making a lot of assumptions from the fact that he's speaking in public. Sure, Hitler did that, but so did Obama. Are you suggesting that we can assume anyone who speaks in public is Hitlerian?I agree and that's exactly what we are trying to determine.
He could just be giving a speech congratulating them on making this such a fine colony already. Or telling a story. Or reporting a crime. Or organizing a search party.
Never said that they were nazis, I just used it because there is a large gathering of people listening to a speaker who is getting them worked up. The most well known example of someone who did that, and did it quite well, was Hitler.It may not even "working them up". In fact, it is even unlikely. My bet is more along the lines of "uh, guys, there's a problem: [insert here one or more amongst: food shortage, communication problem, political tension, local wildlife related problem, disappearance, they found out gobbos, this week-end concert is canceled...]"
Never said that they were nazis, I just used it because there is a large gathering of people listening to a speaker who is getting them worked up. The most well known example of someone who did that, and did it quite well, was Hitler.What, not Jesus? He also got people worked up.
You have absolutely no idea how much I wish that I could glare at you through the internet.Never said that they were nazis, I just used it because there is a large gathering of people listening to a speaker who is getting them worked up. The most well known example of someone who did that, and did it quite well, was Hitler.It may not even "working them up". In fact, it is even unlikely. My bet is more along the lines of "uh, guys, there's a problem: [insert here one or more amongst: food shortage, communication problem, political tension, local wildlife related problem, disappearance, they found out gobbos, this week-end concert is canceled...]"
and if "speaker = hitler" for you, you might have a problem.
This assuming that Jesus did, in fact, exist. Martin Luther King might've been a better example, with no possibility of agitating people.Never said that they were nazis, I just used it because there is a large gathering of people listening to a speaker who is getting them worked up. The most well known example of someone who did that, and did it quite well, was Hitler.What, not Jesus? He also got people worked up.
There, two examples from opposite ends of morality.
Why?You have absolutely no idea how much I wish that I could glare at you through the internet.Never said that they were nazis, I just used it because there is a large gathering of people listening to a speaker who is getting them worked up. The most well known example of someone who did that, and did it quite well, was Hitler.It may not even "working them up". In fact, it is even unlikely. My bet is more along the lines of "uh, guys, there's a problem: [insert here one or more amongst: food shortage, communication problem, political tension, local wildlife related problem, disappearance, they found out gobbos, this week-end concert is canceled...]"
and if "speaker = hitler" for you, you might have a problem.
Pretty sure most people agree that there was a Nazarene named Jesus, son of Joseph, who got crucified after spreading the seeds for Christianity. What people don't agree on is if he was "right."This assuming that Jesus did, in fact, exist. Martin Luther King might've been a better example, with no possibility of agitating people.Never said that they were nazis, I just used it because there is a large gathering of people listening to a speaker who is getting them worked up. The most well known example of someone who did that, and did it quite well, was Hitler.What, not Jesus? He also got people worked up.
There, two examples from opposite ends of morality.
Yup, where did this come from anyway. Back to start.fixed.
Don't get spotted
I think this fella will end up a bit like Hitler, with gobos as the jews, of course.
I concurYup, where did this come from anyway. Back to start.fixed.
Don't get spotted
I'd rather not.Well, if someone else finds them, they may not be as open-minded as we are. Maybe we could make a good impression on them.
>Retreat, be careful not to be spotted. Return to your tribe and report.
You have a point. If they are rather open-minded as well, this is a very good idea. If they are rather xenophobic however, it's not.I'd rather not.Well, if someone else finds them, they may not be as open-minded as we are. Maybe we could make a good impression on them.
>Retreat, be careful not to be spotted. Return to your tribe and report.
They are on our planet, so hopefully they are more open to strange fauna.You have a point. If they are rather open-minded as well, this is a very good idea. If they are rather xenophobic however, it's not.I'd rather not.Well, if someone else finds them, they may not be as open-minded as we are. Maybe we could make a good impression on them.
>Retreat, be careful not to be spotted. Return to your tribe and report.
Point out that there are more of these alien beings, and that we should probably avoid antagonising them for the moment.
Be sure to emphasize how they have access to powerful magic which we couldn't dream of, enough that the least of peasants have it abundantly.Point out that there are more of these alien beings, and that we should probably avoid antagonising them for the moment.Yes, but also describe the visit to their lands thoroughly.
They are on our planet, so hopefully they are more open to strange fauna.I'm sigging this at some point. Do you realise that's humans you're talking about?
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He was probably chosen for being open-minded and wise, like most leaders.
My bet is more along the lines of "uh, guys, there's a problem: [insert here one or more amongst: food shortage, communication problem, political tension, local wildlife related problem, disappearance, they found out gobbos, this week-end concert is canceled...]"Disappearance? check.
So yes to that. Do you have some story about goblins that killed an unknown creature and ended up being annihilated by the mama? If not, make one up.Be sure to emphasize how they have access to powerful magic which we couldn't dream of, enough that the least of peasants have it abundantly.Point out that there are more of these alien beings, and that we should probably avoid antagonising them for the moment.Yes, but also describe the visit to their lands thoroughly.
I'm so poetic
Let me rephrase:Him not excepting would dishonor us both greatly. He would be saying we are weak to fight, but he is to much a coward to fight us.
The old Chieftain would not accept a challenge from a young, recently graduated apprentice of the ex-shaman during the tribe's civil war that happened to break out during the execution of other-worldly beings.
Him not excepting would dishonor us both greatly. He would be saying we are weak to fight, but he is to much a coward to fight us.I doubt he really cares that much. In case you guys didn't notice, there is a fucking fight going on right now.
I agree. Knife him to death.Him not excepting would dishonor us both greatly. He would be saying we are weak to fight, but he is to much a coward to fight us.I doubt he really cares that much. In case you guys didn't notice, there is a fucking fight going on right now.
There's a fight starting right now. Besides, I doubt he'd want to lose honor under any circumstances, given his high status.Him not excepting would dishonor us both greatly. He would be saying we are weak to fight, but he is to much a coward to fight us.I doubt he really cares that much. In case you guys didn't notice, there is a fucking fight going on right now.
If they were all paying attention to him, yeah. But they aren't, they're distracted by fighting others. Anything this guy can do to win, I think he will. He doesn't seem like the most honorable chap.There's a fight starting right now. Besides, I doubt he'd want to lose honor under any circumstances, given his high status.Him not excepting would dishonor us both greatly. He would be saying we are weak to fight, but he is to much a coward to fight us.I doubt he really cares that much. In case you guys didn't notice, there is a fucking fight going on right now.
If the colonist who had his eye stabbed out survives, they could always rebuild his eye, they have the technologyThe real question is: does he have the money?
How about we challenge him by shouting a challenge as we attack him?I'm fine with a compromise, of sorts.
Either way. Incapacitation is ideal.How about we challenge him by shouting a challenge as we attack him?I'm fine with a compromise, of sorts.
We probably should aim to incapacitate rather than to kill him.
play the skyrim trailer song in your head while doing it.Done. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-_g8NZr1tA)
Better question: What would the headstone say?The GM decides that.
Learn more of the language. Otherwise we're more likely an odd creature the kids brought back than a saviour.+1
+1.Better question: What would the headstone say?The GM decides that.
It'll say: dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks dicks
I vote for continuing on to the alien camp.+1
attempt to push any buttons found on the picturebox.Of course.
Draw the solar system (what you remember from the alien's explanation)To much player knowledge.
read the bookWe don't know how.
carefully move the rubik's cube. Possibly solve it.I have no opinion in this.
But before all that, discuss with the other goblins and explain what you know, and listen to any advice on what to draw (for example) they have.Good idea.
I don't think so, the aliens painstakingly explained us this. Showing we undersood it is a proof of intelligence or whatever.QuoteDraw the solar system (what you remember from the alien's explanation)To much player knowledge.
Look at pictures.Quoteread the bookWe don't know how.
I had forgotten the part where we discovered the pencil wrote.I don't think so, the aliens painstakingly explained us this. Showing we undersood it is a proof of intelligence or whatever.QuoteDraw the solar system (what you remember from the alien's explanation)To much player knowledge.
Oh, yeah, a pictgure book.Look at pictures.Quoteread the bookWe don't know how.
1. There is a twig with a strange, stone tip. It sits on a slip of some sort, almost leaflike in texture, and brief experimentation shows it can be used to make dark, clear marks.
2. There is a cube, comprised of smaller cubes, colored with odd leaflets of a colored substance and stuck on by unknown means.
3. There is a large brick of what seems to be wood, but cut into small leaves like the one paired with a twig. From the marks, this one is a compilation of drawings of some sort.
4. There is a small, black item, similar to the movingbox you saw on your scouting trip. It appears to be... inactive, with the clearstone uncolored. It's also far, far smaller.
Keep trying to draw lines across the circles. After a bit, if this accomplishes nothing, do the constellations idea.+1
Okay, Iphone 2099... +1 to the idea above.Keep trying to draw lines across the circles. After a bit, if this accomplishes nothing, do the constellations idea.+1
+1.Okay, Iphone 2099... +1 to the idea above.Keep trying to draw lines across the circles. After a bit, if this accomplishes nothing, do the constellations idea.+1
Experiment with the "Cube of cubes."+1, Don't break it.
+2 And not eat itExperiment with the "Cube of cubes."+1, Don't break it.
Well, try not to.+2 And not eat itExperiment with the "Cube of cubes."+1, Don't break it.
Pat our chest and say: "Arkun-Sha" with equal speed. Or just "Arkun" if that is too complex for it. Do this several times. Then point at the alien and say "Donnel."+1
+2Pat our chest and say: "Arkun-Sha" with equal speed. Or just "Arkun" if that is too complex for it. Do this several times. Then point at the alien and say "Donnel."+1
+19+2Pat our chest and say: "Arkun-Sha" with equal speed. Or just "Arkun" if that is too complex for it. Do this several times. Then point at the alien and say "Donnel."+1
Point each goblin and say "[NAME] Goblin" then at ourselves and say "Arkun-Sha Goblin" and finally at the alien and say "Donnel Alien One". Hopefully this alien will be smart enough to understand.I support this course of action.
Peek behind the door.If we don't see anything interesting,
Because curiousity is a sign of intelligence and all that.
I think we should discuss what has happened with our fellow goblins.
Check the ceramic cylinders.DRINK THE CYLINDER.
Drink what's in the cylinders, instead. That sounds healthier.Check the ceramic cylinders.DRINK THE CYLINDER.
It will be DELICIOUS.
If the liquid tastes good, give some to our fellow prisoners. (I hope whatever it is, it's not addictive.)I think we have the numerical advantage, seeing as how we were here first
Long term plan: These aliens are clearly not divine and also not as intelligent or as strong as we are if they thought such a simple device could trapMacgyverArkun-sha. Their only advantage is their numbers and magic. We should gain their trust, learn their magic, raise our numbers, infiltrate their society and finally strike them down from within and reclaim our home. (The above goal is humorous, as achieving it would take a long time.)
I think we have the numerical advantage, seeing as how we were here first.We have, as a species, the 6(?) tribes plus the eastern tribes, if we can get everyone to work together. Those are the only members of our species on the planet. Say each tribe has 300 members. Each human city has at least 1000 members, with high tech equipment, and more people awaiting the all clear in their spaceship. If all else fails, they can simply toss their space junk on the planet and kill all of our species with a dozen kinetic strikes.
Goblins are spread over the whole planet. Saying that it's you and the Eastern Tribes is like saying that the only natives in America were the Iroquois and the Cherokee. Of course, each tribe only has 500 members and you could hardly gather up any more manpower than your confederation and the Eastern tribes, so you may as well be the only goblins on the planet. :PI think we have the numerical advantage, seeing as how we were here first.We have, as a species, the 6(?) tribes plus the eastern tribes, if we can get everyone to work together. Those are the only members of our species on the planet. Say each tribe has 300 members. Each human city has at least 1000 members, with high tech equipment, and more people awaiting the all clear in their spaceship. If all else fails, they can simply toss their space junk on the planet and kill all of our species with a dozen kinetic strikes.
So...maybe a couple thousand goblins, with stone-age tech and minimal, if any, ranged weapons against about a thousand futuristic humans...+x
Let's make peace!
Well, four counter arguments:Well, four counter-counter arguments:
a)The goblins are quite xenophobic and superstitious. The ones in the area, maybe even continent would band together to defeat the "sky devils".The goblins are quite xenophobic and superstitious. The ones in the area might not believe us, might think they were gods, or just hate us and not work with us on principle.
b)Our system is a few light years away from earth so any invasion fleet would take at least 5(?)for message+10(?)for travel+[time to prepare invasion fleet]years to arrive.I'm guessing ~5 (time for them to notice a lack of messages)+prep+5(travel time) years. A decade gives them a decade to improve their tech and isn't nearly enough time to begin to understand their technology.
c) These people were expected to survive here, so they must surely have some infrastructure/industry equipment either here or on their ship, so if we can learn how to operate and duplicate it, we can use it to maintain and expand our arsenal.If it's not damaged, if we understand it, if we're not too superstitious to be afraid of it, if it doesn't break down, if we don't break them while trying to understand how it works and failing because we have no idea how any of this works...
d)They could bomb us all to hell, or unleash flesh eating viruses but that would also make the planet useless for them, unless they're willing to wait a few thousand years.They could, but bombing some villages doesn't ruin the rest of the planet; viruses that affect us wouldn't affect them; things grow back fast; and native flora probably isn't good for human biochemistry.
I'm not saying it's easy or the right thing to do, I'm just saying it's possible.But it doesn't make sense, either IC or OOC! We could learn so much through peace, but if we attack all we'd learn is if there's an afterlife.
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are you using a tbalet, im using a comp
Anyways...yeah, investigate the cylinders and their liquid.+1
Modern Goblins are quite glad caffiene is too long of a word for a name. The chemical is a narcotic to Goblins, and it's use is pandemic. It's developed a subculture not unlike the weed culture of the early 2000's in human history, only instead of calming a goblin down it accelerates them until they have a heart attack or stroke. Coca-cola offers their condolences to the goblin people, and would like to state that in the interest of free cultural exchange they will be setting up vending machines in goblin neighborhood near you.I swear, this GM is a sly one.
Ooookaayyy... I had no idea the door was locked. For some reason I assumed it was carelessly left half open.We don't know that. Well, we do, but our character does. Besides, that could be mugs of hot chocolate.
Anyway. We need to cooperate with humans. Don't do anything stupid, like breaking something (or someone). I'm rather fine with peeking around and tasting cof... One minute... DON'T TOUCH THAT IT'S GOBLIN DRUGS!Modern Goblins are quite glad caffiene is too long of a word for a name. The chemical is a narcotic to Goblins, and it's use is pandemic. It's developed a subculture not unlike the weed culture of the early 2000's in human history, only instead of calming a goblin down it accelerates them until they have a heart attack or stroke. Coca-cola offers their condolences to the goblin people, and would like to state that in the interest of free cultural exchange they will be setting up vending machines in goblin neighborhood near you.I swear, this GM is a sly one.
Err... is it supposed to be from Deathnote? I guess if it was, then... I guess it must've worked.Chrome, it was the creepiest thing I could think of
What browser are you using, Javier?
Ooookaayyy... I had no idea the door was locked. For some reason I assumed it was carelessly left half open.DAMMIT.
Anyway. We need to cooperate with humans. Don't do anything stupid, like breaking something (or someone). I'm rather fine with peeking around and tasting cof... One minute... DON'T TOUCH THAT IT'S GOBLIN DRUGS!Modern Goblins are quite glad caffiene is too long of a word for a name. The chemical is a narcotic to Goblins, and it's use is pandemic. It's developed a subculture not unlike the weed culture of the early 2000's in human history, only instead of calming a goblin down it accelerates them until they have a heart attack or stroke. Coca-cola offers their condolences to the goblin people, and would like to state that in the interest of free cultural exchange they will be setting up vending machines in goblin neighborhood near you.I swear, this GM is a sly one.
It's polite to share it with them now, and frees up a hand.
I wasn't interested in drinking it, just, quote, investigating it.+1
Share the drink, too.
It's polite to share it with them now, and frees up a hand.Plus, I bet they'll all be a bit shaken. They have become exiles (in part because of our actions) recently, they fought recently, they have been captured by humans recently...
Go forward. Why not?
+1Go forward. Why not?
While chugging some more of the drugs.-1
While chugging some more of the drugs.and saying hello to mister stroke and miss heart attack, along with their good old pal addiction.
Come now Paris they only want to do the alien equivilent of huffing paint. Lots and lots of paint. With lead in. And maybe some cyanide. And pirahnas.While chugging some more of the drugs.and saying hello to mister stroke and miss heart attack, along with their good old pal addiction.
Come now Paris they only want to do the alien equivilent of huffing paint. Lots and lots of paint. With lead in. And maybe some cyanide. And pirahnas.While chugging some more of the drugs.and saying hello to mister stroke and miss heart attack, along with their good old pal addiction.
Security at the paint factory had an off day.
Put that cup of coffee somwhere (except in your stomach), and stay in the room with the other goblins. They're right.No, they aren't.
The worst thing that can happen is we act like a gremlin and pull the self-destruct lever.So no pulling levers.
On another note, open the door slowly, listen for conversations behind the door or peek through the lock. We don't want to come face to face (or waist to face) with an unsuspecting alien.Sounds like a good plan. Only reverse "unsuspecting alien."
I am rather not okay with "Staying in one place indicates passivity or stupidity."And that is exactly why I said, "Explore but go back to the "cell" if anyone is heard/seen to be coming"
Who invented the computer you're reading this on: sedentary humans or nomads?
Staying with the other goblins despite differences of opinion indicate social behaviour and cooperation.
Say, if you were the humans there, and see one of those unknown alien roaming around, what will you do? Congratulate him for showing curiosity and wit?
No, be honest, you'll rush to the nearest alarm and call security, screaming about a containment breach or something.
I am rather not okay with "Staying in one place indicates passivity or stupidity."Okay then; let's make something!
Who invented the computer you're reading this on: sedentary humans or nomads?
Staying with the other goblins despite differences of opinion indicate social behaviour and cooperation.Well, two things.
Say, if you were the humans there, and see one of those unknown alien roaming around, what will you do? Congratulate him for showing curiosity and wit?
No, be honest, you'll rush to the nearest alarm and call security, screaming about a containment breach or something.
Offer Donnel some of the liquid. (We still have it, right?)Agreed. Greet him first, though.
+1Offer Donnel some of the liquid. (We still have it, right?)Agreed. Greet him first, though.
+1+1Offer Donnel some of the liquid. (We still have it, right?)Agreed. Greet him first, though.
+1+1+1Offer Donnel some of the liquid. (We still have it, right?)Agreed. Greet him first, though.
((These are blood types, I'm guessing. But... A, B, AB, O. I'm guessing that's what you mean by sigil.))((I believe he means DNA sequence, you know (G)uanine, (A)denine, (T)hymine, (C)ytosine or (G)uanine, (A)denine, (U)racil and (C)ytosine if goblins use RNA))
Thinking hard, you put the vial back, step back, and start flapping your arms, kicking your leg back, and making several odd sounds. You get what you need by Donnels slack jaw and tilted head. Stopping suddenly and composing yourself, you again point to the vial and slack your jaw, tilting your head as well.((I believe this is the best indication of intelligence we have given so far. I mean *I* would have never thought of that. Good thinking.))
He stands tall and waves an arm towards the room, with some of the odd language of the Tall Ones. Several in white coats scurry into the hallway.((Let's hope we haven't gotten our friends into trouble.))
Sounds like blood typing/DNA sequencing to me. But probably blood typing.
The sigils this time are different, not in shape but in sequence. From the sigils a short while ago you see this sequence is vastly different. Perhaps they are magicing from your blood what makes you goblin?More likely DNA sequencing, something like this:
Let's see if we can start to learn some rudimentary language for now.+1
Why would goblins use Terran nucleic acids? Or, for that matter, human blood types?((These are blood types, I'm guessing. But... A, B, AB, O. I'm guessing that's what you mean by sigil.))((I believe he means DNA sequence, you know (G)uanine, (A)denine, (T)hymine, (C)ytosine or (G)uanine, (A)denine, (U)racil and (C)ytosine if goblins use RNA))
((I might have, but probably only in a retrospective I-should-have-done-that way.))Thinking hard, you put the vial back, step back, and start flapping your arms, kicking your leg back, and making several odd sounds. You get what you need by Donnels slack jaw and tilted head. Stopping suddenly and composing yourself, you again point to the vial and slack your jaw, tilting your head as well.((I believe this is the best indication of intelligence we have given so far. I mean *I* would have never thought of that. Good thinking.))
Why would goblins use Terran nucleic acids? Or, for that matter, human blood types?((Well there are a number of plausible (although a bit improbable) scientific theories like panspermia or convergent evolution.
You think you understand something. The sigils this time are different, not in shape but in sequence. From the sigils a short while ago you see this sequence is vastly different.))
Nope. 99.8% similar between chimps and homo sapiens.QuoteIf they really were the same nucleic acids, why would the four letters be arranged differently?That's like saying "If I compare an ape and a human, why would their DNA be different?". Sure, there would be some similar sequences concerning production of similar proteins (as is evident from the rat-human comparison I posted earlier) but overall the DNA sequence would be vastly different.
More like 95% (http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v17/n1/dna) and only because we have a relatively recent common ancestor. I can change it to "a cat and a human" or "a carp and a human" or whatever. They are alien goblins, not apes. Just said apes because they look similar to humans. Plus, if you could put human and ape DNA sequences side by side you would end up seeing many differences because there have been many deletions and insertions in ape and human DNA since they diverged from their common ancestor. They would only look similar if you were comparing similar regions of similar nucleotides .Nope. 99.8% similar between chimps and homo sapiens.QuoteIf they really were the same nucleic acids, why would the four letters be arranged differently?That's like saying "If I compare an ape and a human, why would their DNA be different?". Sure, there would be some similar sequences concerning production of similar proteins (as is evident from the rat-human comparison I posted earlier) but overall the DNA sequence would be vastly different.
spoiler=Long answerYou're also assuming that the four nucleic bases (plus uracil) are the only possible ones.Convergent evolution doesn't apply to the exact chemicals used in genetic makeup, only to structure which affects function;Well, here is a question even experts in biology can't answer and probably will not answer before we either find alien life or understand the origin of life. If we assume that life originates from a self replicating lump of chemicals arranged in the correct way, these chemicals are going to need a way to store information (http://www.techthefuture.com/science/the-origin-of-life-software-not-hardware/) for their function and replication. And if we assume that DNA is the best and one of the only methods for storing information for life forms in environments similar to ours, then the descendants of this proto-organism will end up using DNA very similar to ours (maybe they'll use arsenic, maybe their RNA will be translated in quadruplets instead of triplets but the underlying structure (binary helix, four building blocks) will be the same.) Of course that's a lot of assumptions so I'll agree that this argument is weak.
Not what I was referring to, I was referring to how, if you didn't have "Space!" in your mind, the only bit that sounds like it might be referring to ancient astronauts was the bit about the gods heading into the void and making a new world, which strikes me as poor evidence for ancient astronauts because it could just means this world's mythology is less egotistical than Terran mythology.Quotethe Prophecy of Us doesn't sound a lot different than RL religious/spiritual beliefs, and if we didn't know the sci-fi setting we wouldn't jump to that conclusion;I'll agree that prophets usually word their prophecies in such a way that they are almost always fulfilled, but I do think there is a grain of truth in this prophecy. Time will tell I guess.
Quoteit's entirely plausible that chemicals from Terran organisms would have some effect on other organisms, even without significant chemical similarities small-scale (metabolic and similar chemistry, maybe, but convergent evolution has a good argument there);Caffeine effecting us implies that our nerves and metabolic system function similarly to terrestrial nerves and metabolic systems, although I guess convergent evolution can explain that.QuoteThat function is not in any way tied to the chemicals which tell the body how to form itself, and I wouldn't be surprised that a high amount of variance in the chemicals making up the nerves and such themselves would be tolerable in still creating a vaguely similar effect.QuoteI must have misread it, because I thought there were only four sigils, total. That requires serious reconsideration of my argument.Quoteand we really don't know what those four sigils are. Maybe it's just a designation, or maybe our PC is mistaking I for l or something.Our PC has displayed remarkable intelligence and observational skills, being so good as to see people giving money to other people from the top of a hill. He'd have to be really sleepy to mistake two letters.
And long sequences comprised of only four symbol types can only be DNA or a DNA-equivalent, since if it were anything else it would have either more symbol types (for example if it were describing codons (http://www.ebi.ac.uk/2can/biology/trans2.html) it would have to use 4^3=64 distinct symbols in a long DNA-like sequence where proteins translate similarly to human proteins) or less symbols (usually when one searches for certain markers like blood type or does ancestral-DNA comparison). I personally can't think of any other occasion in biology where 4 symbols would be used to form long sequences that vary between species.QuoteAgain, this arose from a misunderstanding of what was on the screen.QuoteIf they really were the same nucleic acids, why would the four letters be arranged differently?That's like saying "If I compare an ape and a human, why would their DNA be different?". Sure, there would be some similar sequences concerning production of similar proteins (as is evident from the rat-human comparison I posted earlier) but overall the DNA sequence would be vastly different.
...Holy crap, ancient astronauts suddenly seems the most likely outcome.Chromosomes, genes, or bases?Nope. 99.8% similar between chimps and homo sapiens.QuoteIf they really were the same nucleic acids, why would the four letters be arranged differently?That's like saying "If I compare an ape and a human, why would their DNA be different?". Sure, there would be some similar sequences concerning production of similar proteins (as is evident from the rat-human comparison I posted earlier) but overall the DNA sequence would be vastly different.
Suddenly my image of it is different and makes more sense.+1
Let's try using the nail on it for a bit.
Is that a creationist website? I question the validity of the source.More like 95% (http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v17/n1/dna) and only because we have a relatively recent common ancestor. I can change it to "a cat and a human" or "a carp and a human" or whatever. They are alien goblins, not apes. Just said apes because they look similar to humans. Plus, if you could put human and ape DNA sequences side by side you would end up seeing many differences because there have been many deletions and insertions in ape and human DNA since they diverged from their common ancestor. They would only look similar if you were comparing similar regions of similar nucleotides .Nope. 99.8% similar between chimps and homo sapiens.QuoteIf they really were the same nucleic acids, why would the four letters be arranged differently?That's like saying "If I compare an ape and a human, why would their DNA be different?". Sure, there would be some similar sequences concerning production of similar proteins (as is evident from the rat-human comparison I posted earlier) but overall the DNA sequence would be vastly different.
Is that a creationist website? I question the validity of the source.Oh, crap, I didn't see that! I was kind of in a hurry so I picked the first site that I found that supported my ideas. Well, I guess I failed both in research and in observation. Bad Paris, *sprays water on Paris* do better reaserch next time!
For all we know, our genetic information is stored in microscopic skittles made of ammonia and are put there by ghostly vampire cavies.Now I'm going to have to find a way to make this canon yet totally plausible..
For all we know, our genetic information is stored in microscopic skittles made of ammonia and are put there by ghostly vampire cavies.That's completely unrealistic. Ghosts aren't affected by syndromes, so they can't be vampires.
Vampires can become ghosts, though.Yes, but is Vampirism an ailment of the body or the soul? Are ghost composed of soul-stuff, mind-stuff or body-stuff or a combination of the three? Does Vampirism persist after death or is it merely a title indicative of the life the ghost once lived? I mean if we assume Vampirism a disease and not some kind of divine punishment then we c-...
Gently wake Ulla and ask if she knows any good shaman magic. Mainly curses and hexes and the like."You somehow manage to fall both on Ulla-sha and Alca-un in the most uncomfortable and romantically suggestive position possible. They murder you while you are trying to escape. You are dead. You are a ghost. You have been reincarnated as a vampire cavie ghost, cursed to hold goblin DNA in place for all eternity."
Or just get Alca to go all badass on the lock.
YESSSSSSSGently wake Ulla and ask if she knows any good shaman magic. Mainly curses and hexes and the like."You somehow manage to fall both on Ulla-sha and Alca-un in the most uncomfortable and romantically suggestive position possible. They murder you while you are trying to escape. You are dead. You are a ghost. You have been reincarnated as a vampire cavie ghost, cursed to hold goblin DNA in place for all eternity."
Or just get Alca to go all badass on the lock.
Indiana Jones. It looks like Indiana Jones.and across his chest is written in tiny script
Indiana Jones. It looks like Indiana Jones.Han Solo. It looks like Han Solo.
Chewbacca!Indiana Jones. It looks like Indiana Jones.Han Solo. It looks like Han Solo.
No.Chewbacca!Indiana Jones. It looks like Indiana Jones.Han Solo. It looks like Han Solo.
I know this is probably futile considering what we're facing but restrain our anger and use our wit, cunning, wisdom and abrasive personality to out-wit, out-annoy, out-mock and out-nonsense that out-sourced "human". I wonder if a display like that would prove that we're smarter than him or just plain crazier.I like this idea. Either way, we're preparing them for what they'll face with an alien controlled by Bay12.
Aw, crap... I lost my laptop for a week and now I'll never be able to catch up with this... :'(Yesss. Add another to my ranks...
EDIT: I just realised two things a)We got Indian HAL instead of Indiana Jones and b) a "medicinal" plant from India, grown in the probably remote engine area. Are you thinking what I'm thinking?Erm... A quick google scan tells me Marijuana is native to the Caucasus... Not india...
EDIT: I just realised two things a)We got Indian HAL instead of Indiana Jones and b) a "medicinal" plant from India, grown in the probably remote engine area. Are you thinking what I'm thinking?Erm... A quick google scan tells me Marijuana is native to the Caucasus... Not india...
Weed is legal anyway. Socially stigmatized, but legal. No plants were allowed onboard though because the Habitation Systems wouldn't like the smoke, and the screening process left out people with drug addictions to Marijuana, Tobacco, anything that burned.EDIT: I just realised two things a)We got Indian HAL instead of Indiana Jones and b) a "medicinal" plant from India, grown in the probably remote engine area. Are you thinking what I'm thinking?Erm... A quick google scan tells me Marijuana is native to the Caucasus... Not india...Of course, I only meant this as a joke. I mean this is a highly advanced, probably under military governance, ship with a probably omnipresent and all knowing AI on board. So unless the crew was chosen on some very strange standards, or the hippies sent one of their top secret black ops infiltration teams to build a community of peace, love and weed on the new planet, I don't think it's cannabis.Spoiler: From wikipedia, the all-knowing encyclopedia: (click to show/hide)
joking: But then again, there are elves (I know they're not DF elves, but stil) on the planet, so one can say that the hippies have been there long before humans... Hmmm... Ancient alien hippy astronauts?
Nowhere else to go except the meshall or further down the hall, so go to the meshall I guess, unless the AI or a forum member has something else/better to suggest.
You should read Cracked.com, they have pretty good stuff on badass christians. Did you know an early saint actually summoned a couple bears to maul annoying teenagers to death?
You should read Cracked.com, they have pretty good stuff on badass christians. Did you know an early saint actually summoned a couple bears to maul annoying teenagers to death?Did you know Muhammad was supposed to have cracked the moon?
So Judeo-christian mythos has god's son walking on water, hindu myths have a gods son as a flying mountain transport monkey.May I sig?
That's Hinduism: 1, Monotheism: 0
Well, considering it's supposed to be a religion about love, peace and acceptance or something like that, I think the bears are in fact a little extreme.You should read Cracked.com, they have pretty good stuff on badass christians. Did you know an early saint actually summoned a couple bears to maul annoying teenagers to death?Did you know Muhammad was supposed to have cracked the moon?
But no I was just saying Hinduism has some pretty off the wall badass moments. Western Monotheism seems to have it toned down a mite, what with it only being two bears.
Where the hell did you get that idea?Well, considering it's supposed to be a religion about love, peace and acceptance or something like that, I think the bears are in fact a little extreme.You should read Cracked.com, they have pretty good stuff on badass christians. Did you know an early saint actually summoned a couple bears to maul annoying teenagers to death?Did you know Muhammad was supposed to have cracked the moon?
But no I was just saying Hinduism has some pretty off the wall badass moments. Western Monotheism seems to have it toned down a mite, what with it only being two bears.
On the other hand if you compare it with what happens in the old testament yes, it is a bit toned down. (God wanted to eradicate sin from a city; god killed people and turned a guys' wife to a *salt statue*. God wanted to eradicate sin from the planet; god plagiarized the Epic of Gilgamesh and other tales with epic floods. God wanted to show the Egyptians' gods who is the boss; god tortured and killed the Egyptians. God wanted to help move the Jews; god split the sea in half. God wanted to "clear" some land for the Jews; god sent some angels to tear down the wall of the city by shouting and then instructed the Jewish soldiers to kill everyone, including the women and children. There was a man that worshiped and loved god like no other; god tortured him and his family horribly and caused society to shun him.)Wasn't that from the Old Testament?
Still, a god that can't be bothered to search a mountain, so he returns the entire mountain is way cooler.Agreed.
Where the hell did you get that idea?That's what our religion
Wasn't that from the Old Testament?NOOO!!! You have quoted me! Now I'll never be able to
Feel Free.So Judeo-christian mythos has god's son walking on water, hindu myths have a gods son as a flying mountain transport monkey.May I sig?
That's Hinduism: 1, Monotheism: 0
Actually, I'm pretty sure religion is mostly positive, it's just that the negative examples with people saying/doing cruel things in the name of their religion is what'll make the news.Religion is not, by itself, negative or positive. It just gets people to do negative or positive things.
And for the record, GWG is right,Note to self: Sig this, too.
And from now on consider myself to agree with GreatWyrmGold unless I say otherwise. I'm tired of typing that he's right.So sigging this. And, yeah, meshal.
Red door. But first lets kick that stupid AI thing in what it passes for teeth.That would be highly ineffectual as he is projected by sets of hologram generators in the rafters and floor. I mean you could stick your hand in him, and the shadow would cause his holoself to go all wonky in an entirely not-fuzzy-like-in-fiction-but-freaky-semi-invisibility way.
So he's omnipresent and a very fast thinker but there are plenty of failsafes making Asimov's laws obsolete. Not to mention the shackle prevents any moves against the crew anyway. You're not on the list yet but he's not really harmful unless you piss him off.Sorry, not really closely related to the story, but I had to say this, just in case any of you come across a superhuman AI for whatever reason.
But the thing is, we don't know that, so there is no harm in finding out whether or not we can hurt it but kicking it in the teeth.
...so you opt to step past the imaginary man and into the hangar.
Hyperintelligent AIs are potentially safe if we include enough failsafes and manual overrides. Oh, and Asimov's Laws.Long answer spoilered to conserve space and not flood the thread.
Actually the danger of an hyperrintelligent AI is proportionnal to what it has control over. A whole interstellar ship? Damn dangerous. Nothing besides a humanoid body? Not so much.Not quite. That's one of the considerations, but there's many others, such as AI design and overrides.
-AI stuff-I should probably go in to further depths with the failsafes, no? And Hanuman here is actually safer than a car to "operate" because of his Motive Matrix, which I'll go into in depth shortly. Not to mention there are about a dozen AI like him back on Earth, only one of which would go rampant at a time, and the other ~11 of them would try to take him down much like if your best friend went postal with a shotgun. Hanuman is a bit more dangerous but no more hazardous than the Captain, who has a greater amount of control over the ship and the ability to override Hanumans orders.
Do what any self respecting politician would do: mingle, find interesting people, introduce ourselves, kiss hands and shake babies, ask about the captain, the ship, their home planet and maybe sample some of the food and drink. In short participate in the festivities and be good to humans. Oh, oh! Try to mimic the humans dancing to the silly human music and look+1sillyadorable. (humans still find short silly things adorable, right?)
Oh, and the AI's failsafes seem preety good. I'd put one in my car if I had one.This is the GM talking, not the AI.
But then again that's exactly what an AI would say to lull us into a false sense of security.
1)Yes, but how do you know the GM isn't an AI? Or an alien? Or an alien AI? Or an AI built from the remains of a crashed alien ship that has been implanted in a human?Impossible, improbable, improbable, improbable. Even if those things were around, why would they be wasting their time posting the rules of AIs in a game on Bay12?
2)I ninja'd you, editing to indicate I was joking a few seconds before you posted.Ah.
+2Do what any self respecting politician would do: mingle, find interesting people, introduce ourselves, kiss hands and shake babies, ask about the captain, the ship, their home planet and maybe sample some of the food and drink. In short participate in the festivities and be good to humans. Oh, oh! Try to mimic the humans dancing to the silly human music and look+1sillyadorable. (humans still find short silly things adorable, right?)
updates for the update God!You could always post a suggestion for what to do. We seem to be in a one vote tie here between talking to the bored lady, talking to the man looking around and ...partying I suppose?
(shameless bump brought to you by the Itty Bitty Tittie Committee).
attempt the appropriate human welcoming ritual, and introduce yourself.I give zis a +1
tell her they are a little scary and SO very fast! also... since we seem to be lost maybe Georgia can help us out.
maybe she can also help with shiftyman note, but I'm not sure if we should show it to her.
It is very difficult to put a light but pronounced accent into text. She is natively german though. Lived on the Austrian border before the ~9 year trip to Centauri.attempt the appropriate human welcoming ritual, and introduce yourself.I give zis a +1
tell her they are a little scary and SO very fast! also... since we seem to be lost maybe Georgia can help us out.
maybe she can also help with shiftyman note, but I'm not sure if we should show it to her.
I also zink vee must show her ze note. Zee iz ze only available human at zis moment and zee does not seem dangerous especially if zee can stand being vith Hanuman ze voll day. Zee must have ze kindness and ze patience of Amma-ah.
Vat? Vee Zermans all talk like zat!
Okay, I'll stop talking like that now.
Poke about!+1
Poke like your life depends on it!
No, but it is on ice until I feel like updating again. Probably after I get out of boot. :/And such is the way of the internet.
Meanwhile, I'm running Daisy. Which will also go unfinished when I come up with another one ect. ect... :'(