Jim GroovesterIdeological purity
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Ideological purity was my biggest reason for killing Tric though. He was opposed to mass suicide so I thought I’d eliminate someone who could potentially go against the plan, just like webadict is planning to do. I was honestly thinking of killing you too Caz, but I didn’t want to risk you having anti-tech.
Why TricMagic over any of the other people who weren't fully subscribed to the mass suicide strategy? Was it because he was voting you?
The people who disagreed with the plan were
TricMagic, Jim Groovester, Toonyman, Caz13 and of course myself
Heydude6- I didn't kill you Jim, because you are an active player and Webadict was already planning on doing that to you with a plasma bomb at night. The only thing that can stop that is being role-blocked with a stun orb or bomb. It would be a waste.
- I didn't kill Toonyman because 1) I don't know if he has an anti-tech field and 2) He's also a decent player and seems to be person most likely to discover an alternate win-con if there actually is one.
- Caz was the other person I was seriously thinking of killing, but I didn't know if he had anti-tech and I wanted to see if he would start saying more later in the game.
- I didn't kill myself because I wouldn't be alive to explain my actions.
In my opinion, Tricmagic was the most expendable among you guys. Yes, he gave us the intel reveal which was really helpful, but afterwards he didn't contribute that much compared to those other guys. A lot of people are pissed off about the fact that I didn't try to assassinate scum, but you don't usually get strong scum-reads on day 1. At the very least I wasn't getting any. I was likely going to kill an inno regardless, so my assassination philosophy was instead focused on killing off the the player who would I expected to contribute the least in the future. A discordant Tricmagic who already shared everything of value that he knew falls along those lies.
4maskwolfWho would have been a better person to shoot?
From your perspective, not his.
Anybody whose name wasn't Tricmagic or webadict. While there's a certain logic behind "Tricmagic won't let go of the scumteam paranoia, might as well get rid of him so he doesn't screw up the plan" we could always lynch him if he was being a problem and his death wasn't likely to tell us anything. My list of "people who, even if the game is completely fucky, are almost certainly regular exterminators" was, at the time, webadict and Tric (it now includes you and I'm contemplating adding Caz to it) so I would have killed anyone outside of that on the off chance that I hit someone with a role outside of our current understanding of the game.
I understand that logic, but even when you remove those 4 people you still have a high chance of killing a regular 'termie, or even worse, targeting someone with an anti-tech field. As I explained to Jim (you should read what I wrote to him), my priorities were to kill the player whose loss would have the least negative outcome on the game. I also had a preference for players who I knew didn't have an anti-tech field. This lead to me focusing on people who did not support the mass-suicide plan since they could cause problems when it was time to implement it, and among those I chose Tric because he wasn't contributing much after he revealed his intel and because he was vulnerable.
I knew I likely wasn't going to kill someone who wasn't a vanilla 'termie, but I believed that killing
anyone would have revealed something of value. Unfortunately, it seems like I was wrong about that, but on the bright side, that's more evidence to support the mass-suicide idea.
LuckyowlWow.
Where do I begin...
1. Webadict a leader? What type of joke is that? If you are a norm termie how certain are you that Webadict isn't the dopp? From what I read from your previous post you were pretty critical about his day 1 mass suicide pact. So why did you write he gave value information when it contradicts what you said previous to this new claims of yours.
2. Because telling the truth might make people think you made an honest mistake? You can't be serious? There were better targets you could've picked yet you chose the one who was voted against you? Don't you see how this paints a picture against you? Killing TricMagic also go against what you wanted...
The stunt you just pulled only set us back instead of forward. TricMagic was the only one who voted against you and it would've bounced back when the majority voted No Lynch. Tell me, why would you kill TricMagic if we needed more information to confirm that there is a hidden dopp team? Why couldn't you just waited for tomorrow?
1. Webadict a leader? What type of joke is that?
Yes, of course Webadict is a leader! He is the one who masterminded the whole Mass-suicide plan to begin with and and it's the plan most people are supporting right now. A leader is someone who people follow and that's what people are doing. Also, he didn't just come up with the plan. He has consistently been backing it up with strong arguments and has successfully been pointing out the flaws in other plans including my own.
If you are a norm termie how certain are you that Webadict isn't the dopp? From what I read from your previous post you were pretty critical about his day 1 mass suicide pact. So why did you write he gave value information when it contradicts what you said previous to this new claims of yours.
You can never be certain, but Webadcit has been a strong player so far. I also don't think a dop would push mass-suicide this much.
From what I read from your previous post you were pretty critical about his day 1 mass suicide pact. So why did you write he gave value information when it contradicts what you said previous to this new claims of yours.
If you haven't noticed:
Maybe our win-con is hidden in the dop’s role PM. Maybe it’s something like:
Win Condition: You win when all other exterminators are dead. They win when all of you are dead
Anyway, that’s just a thought. Right now, I want to talk discuss the matter of obtaining more information. Right now I’ve got 2 theories.
Theory 1: More information will be obtained when the day passes
Theory 2: More information will be obtained when someone dies
Of the two, I think theory 2 is more likely unfortunately. Though I’ve been advocating for the pacifist approach for a while now, it’s becoming more clear that it probably isn’t going to work out and I don’t think Meph was expecting it to work out either.
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heydude6
I can ride this train.
If we’re going to kill people though, I don’t think it should be me. I’ve been a very active player so far and one of the only people thinking of solutions besides mass suicide. You may take that as a mark against me, but Tric also feels this way and he hasn’t said as much to back it up as I have.
Anyway, I want to move this game forward a little so let me just do something.
I started to doubt my original plan. Pacifism is very hard to pull off and it likely isn't going to give us much information, which is what you need for a bastard game. Web has not given us information in the way Tric has, but he has done a good job at backing up his ideas and poking holes in other peoples arguments. He's forcing us to play stronger.
2. Because telling the truth might make people think you made an honest mistake? You can't be serious? There were better targets you could've picked yet you chose the one who was voted against you? Don't you see how this paints a picture against you? Killing TricMagic also go against what you wanted...
Please name a better target than Tric who also lacked an anti-tech field. I already explained my rationale for picking Tric in my replies to Jim and 4mask so please read that. And of course I know it makes me look suspicious, but a true townie is willing to get lynched if it helps the cause! I have no reason to fear death, especially if that's our win-condition.
The stunt you just pulled only set us back instead of forward. TricMagic was the only one who voted against you and it would've bounced back when the majority voted No Lynch. Tell me, why would you kill TricMagic if we needed more information to confirm that there is a hidden dopp team? Why couldn't you just waited for tomorrow?
Now this is where I have to laugh! Right before Tric died, we were just talking about how we needed Flips to push the game forward and I provided one.
To elaborate, since no one is claiming anything weird, the best info we're gonna get is from flips (or so I hope) so unraveling any additional bastardness (if there is any) will really start on D2.
I think no lynch is still a bad idea on D1, bastardness or not.
If that wasn't silly enough, you are then brazen enough to say that we were going vote no-lynch! That couldn't be any further from the truth. Very few people wanted a no-lynch. They wanted it so little that a massive bandwagon was piled on me for being one of the few people in favour of it. There was no tomorrow for me!
So why would I let my tech go to waste? All the information we already had was discussed to death, so I thought I would provide some more before I finally kicked the bucket. Being able to discuss a flip in day 1 is an incredibly valuable opportunity because it allows us to plan our night-game better. Though I'm sad Tric's death didn't reveal more, it does at least give more evidence to support Web's mass suicide plan.
I really don't like how you made that post though. You made multiple lies in an attempt to make me look bad and I can barely comprehend why you would do something like that. You called Web's leadership a joke, you said the town was going to vote no-lynch, and you said Tric's death set us back even though a flip was exactly what we needed at that point in time. These aren't simple rookie mistakes, the falseness of those statements is too obvious. And let's not mention the time when you said my best play for town was to kill one of our best players and then hide it.
Which is why I think something fishy is going on and I would like us to get to the bottom of it. When I die, I want
Luckyowl to be the next person we look at, though while you're still alive I would like you to explain the meaning behind this statement:
Right now my scumlist is Heydude and 4mask. No Lynching and allowing Dopps anywhere from 3 to 6 kills? 9 if they have both bots.
It should also be noted it may be possible Dopps don't know who each other are, so.. Lynching is still the best tool
You now have the dubious honor of being number 3 on my list Luckyowl. That's 3 scum/dopps voting to skip.
It's fine, I'll prove my innocent when the night game comes around.
Why do you claim to be capable of doing the impossible? If you're an exterminator, the only thing you can do at night is kill or use tech. Neither of those actions are methods of proving innocence, and its a moot point anyway, because I'm pretty sure we're all supposed to be "innocent" anyway.
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