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[smjjames]

Okay, I couldn't find any articles about it in english due to bad website layouts making it hard to search for slightly older articles, but Venezuela has closed the Brazilian-Venezuela border. Refugees are still trickling in, but are having to slog through trenches or jungle to do so.

Apparently at the Colombian border, Venezuelan soldiers have left their posts, though it seems it was just a few of them.

BBC also has this live reporting page. Be aware of the site's biases and all, but so far its good info.


EDIT: Brazil's fascists government has said they won't invade Venezuela.

I think I saw an english article somewhere mentioning that Maduro closed the Venezuela-Brazil border, forget where though.

As for Brazil saying that they won't invade Venezuela, they said that months ago as well that the only involvement would be for humanitarian reasons. Though IMO, 'humanitarian reasons' could be applied pretty broadly, like Libya for example.

[smjjames]

Escalating..... Maduro has cut off diplomatic ties with Colombia and is giving them 24 hours to leave, and is threatening the US in some way, the same rhetoric as before I guess.

editwhiletyping: And now, the Secretary General of OAS (Organization of American States) says that Maduro can't do that because he isn't legitimate. Doubt he'd be able to actually stop Maduro anyway.

[Teneb]

Unfortunately in most of the world, whomever has the military is the de facto government of a country. Everything else is sadly secondary.

And Maduro has the military.

[ChairmanPoo]

Escalating..... Maduro has cut off diplomatic ties with Colombia and is giving them 24 hours to leave, and is threatening the US in some way, the same rhetoric as before I guess.

editwhiletyping: And now, the Secretary General of OAS (Organization of American States) says that Maduro can't do that because he isn't legitimate. Doubt he'd be able to actually stop Maduro anyway.

Not that I want to defend this clown in any manner, but I recall the previous time the supposed threats against the US were actually a grossly mistranslated and spun phrase that then was subsequently bounced around English-language media

[LordBaal]

No, the first time a few weeks ago was 24 hours too, then 72, then a week, then he didn't spoke about it again.

Fuck it darn it, they torched 3 trucks for a total of 60 tons of food, medicine and vaccines that would have helped so many people...

[Doomblade187]

Damnit. The gov refusal of foreign aid is a terrible thing. Even diplomatic pouches aren't a guaranteed method of transmitting things, though hopefully it still works.

And I'm starting to worry that the US is trying to find a cause for military intervention.

[Teneb]

Damnit. The gov refusal of foreign aid is a terrible thing. Even diplomatic pouches aren't a guaranteed method of transmitting things, though hopefully it still works.

And I'm starting to worry that the US is trying to find a cause for military intervention.

Considering how US senators went to the bridge that was never actually used (due to bureaucratic issues) and said it being closed was terrorism... yeah, I totally see that. Brazil is also trying to send a humanitarian convoy, but they're going through a path that is actually used (but currently closed, I think to stop people from leaving more than to keep stuff from coming in).

[wierd]

No, the first time a few weeks ago was 24 hours too, then 72, then a week, then he didn't spoke about it again.

Fuck it darn it, they torched 3 trucks for a total of 60 tons of food, medicine and vaccines that would have helped so many people...

And all for the ego of one man.

[smjjames]

Escalating..... Maduro has cut off diplomatic ties with Colombia and is giving them 24 hours to leave, and is threatening the US in some way, the same rhetoric as before I guess.

editwhiletyping: And now, the Secretary General of OAS (Organization of American States) says that Maduro can't do that because he isn't legitimate. Doubt he'd be able to actually stop Maduro anyway.

Not that I want to defend this clown in any manner, but I recall the previous time the supposed threats against the US were actually a grossly mistranslated and spun phrase that then was subsequently bounced around English-language media

Regardless, he's just doing the equivalent of an ant trying to roar at a lion and look strong.

...

Okay, maybe a rabbit, the ant would probably be the smallest, most inconsequential, country in existence.

And I'm starting to worry that the US is trying to find a cause for military intervention.

Outside of humanitarian stuff that is.

Trumps admin is certainly leaving the option open. Maduro just needs to not be so stupid as to give us a reason to intervene militarily. At this rate it's going to be easier to base a loose causus belli off of something dumb Maduro did rather than create one. Hell, theres already a loose precedent with Libya, even though Ghaddaffi apparently wasn't actually about to commit genocide.

Of course though, the other problem is, would allies join in? I suppose Brazil and Colombia (or maybe Colombia intervening would make things worse*, given the history between them and Venezuela) might join in for humanitarian reasons, but South America would still be pretty pissed at the US for historical reasons I don't need to explain here. Maybe a bit less pissed if the reason was warranted, but still.

*LordBaal, would it be a problem if Colombia took part in a military intervention? I get that the two countries have had plenty of history between each other and wouldn't neccesarily call each other friends (not at this point in time, obviously), but given the circumstances and I don't know the general feeling the Venezuelan public has towards Colombia...

[LordBaal]

The bridge was indeed closed by terrorism. State terrorism. Not being in use is not the same as being actively blocked.

As for an intervention. Most likely it would be a coalition with Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Argentine and Paraguay doing most of the stuffs. And for this one, it seem the regime is actually eager to give US as much reasons to intervene and not the other way around.

[smjjames]

Such a coalition would actually have to be built first. Other than the US-Colombian partnership, I haven't seen any sign that anybody other than Colombia and Brazil would be willing to join in on such an intervention. Though that's based on what I know. I suppose any relations problems that Colombia and Venezuela have with each other would be mitigated somewhat if they were part of a larger coalition.

editwhiletyping: I had a thought, if Guyana joined into the coalition, things could get diplomatically complicated.

Given Trumps attitude towards allies, I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to go it alone, though a desire not to get left holding the bag when it comes time to wind things down and reconstruct might give him enough pause to get others in.

[Loud Whispers]

Maduro: Stop the medicine and food supplies from getting to the protestors, they are traitors using the supplies to rebel
Colombia: Why are they protesting?
also Maduro: Lack of medicine and food supplies

[Kagus]

editwhiletyping: I had a thought, if Guyana joined into the coalition, things could get diplomatically complicated.

In 1850 both Britain and Venezuela reached an agreement whereby they accepted not to colonize the disputed territory, although where this territory began and ended was not established.

Excellent. That is some peak governmenting.

[LordBaal]

I think is akin to the Somalia situation were the UN blue helmets did nothing, the US did nothing (I mean both they efforts went to waste) and finally the African Union had to step in.

Here we could simply skip the first parts and go directly to the last one. However the AU equivalent,  the OEA (or OAS as you migth know it) does includes USA.

[Reelya]

This video came down my recommended ones, about Venezuela. Thought it was worth sharing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeNCbXVHrR8