Increase thickness/height some.
Evolve the ability to move like some sea anemones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm98n3908QM) do.
+1Increase thickness/height some.
Evolve the ability to move like some sea anemones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm98n3908QM) do.
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Larvae should evolve the ability to move a little, like tiny jellyfishes. I'm pretty sure it's the case for some coral species.A medusal stage sounds good.
PS: SWEEEEEEEET! Evolution on the move again in bay12!+1
We're going to make a civilization of cnidarians, aren't we?Maybe, maybe not. I'm rather for evolving further as an animal before aiming for sentience.
Me, too, but...We're going to make a civilization of cnidarians, aren't we?Maybe, maybe not. I'm rather for evolving further as an animal before aiming for sentience.
I'd say it's a good idea, so how about we work on becoming a much more evolved cnidarian?Me, too, but...We're going to make a civilization of cnidarians, aren't we?Maybe, maybe not. I'm rather for evolving further as an animal before aiming for sentience.
we already are!How so?
+1+1Increase thickness/height some.
Evolve the ability to move like some sea anemones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm98n3908QM) do.
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Nah. I propose we equip our tentacles with simple poison cells. Those Aciblobs are going to face an indigestion. Also allows us to catch fish and such, when those poof into existence.Don't worry about reproduction, the base of the tentacles has nothing to do with food, it's just for mating.
Also, I propose we then use this same acid to partly dissolve minerals from the sea floor, and bring them to our tentacles. In higher up specimens, this might result in symbiosis with certain photosynthetic algae.
In those specimens that are left in the dark deeps, it might evolve in some kind of armour.
Note that this is not a genetic difference (yet), but just the same gene having different expressions depending on situation. Of course, a good amount of tentacles stays the same to prevent problems with reproduction.
Let's evolve speed, sensory systems, and durability.and +1 to this.
They're our reproductive system.and feeding system as well. We catch things with it.
They're our reproductive system.and feeding system as well. We catch things with it.
True. (I had imagined us as more disky than blobby to start, and was imagining turning us into tentacleless sea anemones. Tentacled sea anemones is fine, too, though.)Yup. Tentacles are really useful, so I decided a big blob would be more likely to grow tall with tentacles than as a big tall tower that brings up surface area problems.They're our reproductive system.and feeding system as well. We catch things with it.
True. (I had imagined us as more disky than blobby to start, and was imagining turning us into tentacleless sea anemones. Tentacled sea anemones is fine, too, though.)Yup. Tentacles are really useful, so I decided a big blob would be more likely to grow tall with tentacles than as a big tall tower that brings up surface area problems.They're our reproductive system.and feeding system as well. We catch things with it.
...Is there even such a thing as a land anemone?
PTW and +1 to the poisonous sting tentacles
I'd guessed it would be something like that. There's lots of cnidarians named after flowers.Yeah, there are anemones on land. They're woodland flowers.True. (I had imagined us as more disky than blobby to start, and was imagining turning us into tentacleless sea anemones. Tentacled sea anemones is fine, too, though.)Yup. Tentacles are really useful, so I decided a big blob would be more likely to grow tall with tentacles than as a big tall tower that brings up surface area problems.They're our reproductive system.and feeding system as well. We catch things with it.
...Is there even such a thing as a land anemone?
What does the numbers mean exactly? Are they rolls?
Anyway, I say we continue in this particularly successful path and focus on better senses and sharper stings.
-Attempt to evolve poison cells on all our tentacles. An unlucky touch should be enough to stun/kill+1
-Excrete small amounts of food as lure for animals/ base for symbiosis.
-Movement
Consider reducing weight/gaining gas sacs to float? Maybe with rippling fins, like a tadpole. We could just evolve the fins/membranes to use the same muscles we currently use to crawl.I'm retracting my idea to +1 this.
Changed the votes, decided to keep the vibrations in, because why not?Consider reducing weight/gaining gas sacs to float? Maybe with rippling fins, like a tadpole. We could just evolve the fins/membranes to use the same muscles we currently use to crawl.I'm retracting my idea to +1 this.
+1 to the first two.-Attempt to evolve poison cells on all our tentacles. An unlucky touch should be enough to stun/kill+1
-Excrete small amounts of food as lure for animals/ base for symbiosis.
-Movement
Evolve better senses, speed, size, and camoflague to disguise ourselves while swimming.
+1Evolve better senses, speed, size, and camoflague to disguise ourselves while swimming.
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+1+1Evolve better senses, speed, size, and camoflague to disguise ourselves while swimming.
+1
I dunno, blindness seems like an interesting self-imposed challenge. I'd rather evolve something like a lateral line system and/or ampullae of Lorenzini, which are respectively the piscine forerunner of the ear and the organs sharks use to detect electrical fields.+1. I had a suggestion game a bit like this one where my players relied on perception of pressure variations for a while. It was immensely fun for me to write the turns of a basically blind sea creature.
They underwent neoteny, so I decided to call them neotenic. And the next turn will be up fairly soon.I dunno, blindness seems like an interesting self-imposed challenge. I'd rather evolve something like a lateral line system and/or ampullae of Lorenzini, which are respectively the piscine forerunner of the ear and the organs sharks use to detect electrical fields.+1. I had a suggestion game a bit like this one where my players relied on perception of pressure variations for a while. It was immensely fun for me to write the turns of a basically blind sea creature.
I am also puzzled by how you said "they are neotenic creatures". Neoteny is an evolutionary process, where the adult form is ditched and the juvenile form is kept as the new mature form.
we need sight, or really good senses. we are a hunter. a hunter needs senses to hunt. there is no need to say moreNah we don't.
we need sight, or really good senses. we are a hunter. a hunter needs senses to hunt. there is no need to say more
Yeah, let's evolve some catfish-style electrical sensors.Or shark-style.
Also, should we evolve a more complex mouth? Or will we use tentacles forever?I like tentacles, but the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Anchor hive to jawshell, insert electrical nematocyst into nervous system, take control?all of my yes
Anchor hive to jawshell, insert electrical nematocyst into nervous system, take control?all of my yes
this is also part of my yesAnchor hive to jawshell, insert electrical nematocyst into nervous system, take control?all of my yes
Mine too. We're basically evolving into an illithid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illithid), let's get on with out-thinking and mind-controlling our opponents.
Also, our tentacles should probably start conducting acid and digestive enzymes, instead of (or in addition to) poison. It will help us get through shells in a grapple, if it comes down to that. And eventually, through skulls to the delicious brains.
Hmm...I'll +1 this.this is also part of my yesAnchor hive to jawshell, insert electrical nematocyst into nervous system, take control?all of my yes
Mine too. We're basically evolving into an illithid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illithid), let's get on with out-thinking and mind-controlling our opponents.
Also, our tentacles should probably start conducting acid and digestive enzymes, instead of (or in addition to) poison. It will help us get through shells in a grapple, if it comes down to that. And eventually, through skulls to the delicious brains.
all up 4 people want this :DHmm...I'll +1 this.this is also part of my yesAnchor hive to jawshell, insert electrical nematocyst into nervous system, take control?all of my yes
Mine too. We're basically evolving into an illithid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illithid), let's get on with out-thinking and mind-controlling our opponents.
Also, our tentacles should probably start conducting acid and digestive enzymes, instead of (or in addition to) poison. It will help us get through shells in a grapple, if it comes down to that. And eventually, through skulls to the delicious brains.
Also, EEEEEEEEEEEEE EVOLUTION GAEM
HEY YOU WROTE YES TWICE DANG YOUall up 4 people want this :DHmm...I'll +1 this.this is also part of my yesAnchor hive to jawshell, insert electrical nematocyst into nervous system, take control?all of my yes
Mine too. We're basically evolving into an illithid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illithid), let's get on with out-thinking and mind-controlling our opponents.
Also, our tentacles should probably start conducting acid and digestive enzymes, instead of (or in addition to) poison. It will help us get through shells in a grapple, if it comes down to that. And eventually, through skulls to the delicious brains.
Also, EEEEEEEEEEEEE EVOLUTION GAEM
yes I said yes twice but in counting I only counted myself once and the mind control is a long term goalHEY YOU WROTE YES TWICE DANG YOUall up 4 people want this :DHmm...I'll +1 this.this is also part of my yesAnchor hive to jawshell, insert electrical nematocyst into nervous system, take control?all of my yes
Mine too. We're basically evolving into an illithid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illithid), let's get on with out-thinking and mind-controlling our opponents.
Also, our tentacles should probably start conducting acid and digestive enzymes, instead of (or in addition to) poison. It will help us get through shells in a grapple, if it comes down to that. And eventually, through skulls to the delicious brains.
Also, EEEEEEEEEEEEE EVOLUTION GAEM
Also, mind control may be a bit out of our league, so I'm going to say we can mutilate them horribly and stick a hive on them.
One we finish this quote pyramid, we shall have an update. Just so ya know. SO GET QUOTING KTHNXyes I said yes twice but in counting I only counted myself once and the mind control is a long term goalHEY YOU WROTE YES TWICE DANG YOUall up 4 people want this :DHmm...I'll +1 this.this is also part of my yesAnchor hive to jawshell, insert electrical nematocyst into nervous system, take control?all of my yes
Mine too. We're basically evolving into an illithid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illithid), let's get on with out-thinking and mind-controlling our opponents.
Also, our tentacles should probably start conducting acid and digestive enzymes, instead of (or in addition to) poison. It will help us get through shells in a grapple, if it comes down to that. And eventually, through skulls to the delicious brains.
Also, EEEEEEEEEEEEE EVOLUTION GAEM
Also, mind control may be a bit out of our league, so I'm going to say we can mutilate them horribly and stick a hive on them.
Y'asked for it. ;DOne we finish this quote pyramid, we shall have an update. Just so ya know. SO GET QUOTING KTHNXyes I said yes twice but in counting I only counted myself once and the mind control is a long term goalHEY YOU WROTE YES TWICE DANG YOUall up 4 people want this :DHmm...I'll +1 this.this is also part of my yesAnchor hive to jawshell, insert electrical nematocyst into nervous system, take control?all of my yes
Mine too. We're basically evolving into an illithid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illithid), let's get on with out-thinking and mind-controlling our opponents.
Also, our tentacles should probably start conducting acid and digestive enzymes, instead of (or in addition to) poison. It will help us get through shells in a grapple, if it comes down to that. And eventually, through skulls to the delicious brains.
Also, EEEEEEEEEEEEE EVOLUTION GAEM
Also, mind control may be a bit out of our league, so I'm going to say we can mutilate them horribly and stick a hive on them.
Evolve the ability to release hormones to control the symbiots. (Hivemind ftw ;) )Duly noted. Also, guys, I added a little thing on the bottom. Because I've remembered to add it.
and this is part of my no. this is unimaginative.this is also part of my yesAnchor hive to jawshell, insert electrical nematocyst into nervous system, take control?all of my yes
Mine too. We're basically evolving into an illithid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illithid), let's get on with out-thinking and mind-controlling our opponents.
Also, our tentacles should probably start conducting acid and digestive enzymes, instead of (or in addition to) poison. It will help us get through shells in a grapple, if it comes down to that. And eventually, through skulls to the delicious brains.
Too late, we already turned it into a motorhome.and this is part of my no. this is unimaginative.this is also part of my yesAnchor hive to jawshell, insert electrical nematocyst into nervous system, take control?all of my yes
Mine too. We're basically evolving into an illithid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illithid), let's get on with out-thinking and mind-controlling our opponents.
Also, our tentacles should probably start conducting acid and digestive enzymes, instead of (or in addition to) poison. It will help us get through shells in a grapple, if it comes down to that. And eventually, through skulls to the delicious brains.
So, we are evolving into a kind of sea-like zerg species?
Anyway. Develop senses. Invade tropical reef (while being in this place, also).
So, we will only be able to control the species of only one environment?So, we are evolving into a kind of sea-like zerg species?
Anyway. Develop senses. Invade tropical reef (while being in this place, also).
Our ancestors would still be in the sub-tropics, but we'd have to evolve to a new species to cope with the environment.
Invade the murky estuary.. We're adapted to function without being able to see, it will help to colonize an area where nobody can see much.+1'ing this. Improve non-light based senses.
Adapt one bone spike tentacle into a toothed, rasping tongue. We can use it to bore through and eat critters inside protective shells, and scrape snacks off rocks. Develop a specialized true digestive tract.
Don't be crazy. Illithids are cephalopods!Mine too. We're basically evolving into an illithid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illithid), let's get on with out-thinking and mind-controlling our opponents.Anchor hive to jawshell, insert electrical nematocyst into nervous system, take control?all of my yes
That looks like four votes for raspy mouth thing and four votes for improved nonvisual perception to me.five now :D
Nope.That looks like four votes for raspy mouth thing and four votes for improved nonvisual perception to me.five now :Dsix.
How about we develop a one end digestion circuit. Just a sack in which to keep the food while it's being digested.+1
Like jellyfish, kinda.
How about we develop a one end digestion circuit. Just a sack in which to keep the food while it's being digested.
Like jellyfish, kinda.
I say we evolve greater swimming abilities, and spread into the river itself.Shhhh. We are already in a good place, lets focus in improvig ourselves and being a more complex and advanced organism.
Also, switching from salt to sweet water might have some complications.I say we evolve greater swimming abilities, and spread into the river itself.Shhhh. We are already in a good place, lets focus in improvig ourselves and being a more complex and advanced organism.
I say we evolve greater swimming abilities, and spread into the river itself.I say we evolve speed and intelligence, so we can be fast and advanced, and evolve the tolerance to live both in the saltier water here and in the fresher water of the river.
Communication is good. We don't need talk, simple bee-like signals will do for now. I want to know what's further up the river, but don't want to commit to moving there in case the food thins out more the further upstream we go. Communication would enable us to do some scouting.+1 to the communication and scouting.
At some point we had the big adult and the little juveniles swimming around it. Then the adult entered an ammonit, the juveniles became a caste, and then I got lost.
We need to watch out that we don't run out of food.
Evolve the capability to eat plants. As an added bonus, absorb their chlorophyll
that... doesn't help me much.At some point we had the big adult and the little juveniles swimming around it. Then the adult entered an ammonit, the juveniles became a caste, and then I got lost.
The original used the tentaclets of a crawler to find food, and the adult to use as a nursery for its own tentaclets.
Then the adult crawler became a 'queen' caste, and most of the young stayed as tentaclets.
After that, the jawshell's shell became a container for the adult crawler, as well as others. Meanwhile, a soldier caste evolved.
The most recent notable evolution was the evolution of a cattle castes, that is eaten by the adult crawler (now the hive) and the jawshell (the hivecase).
Oh yeah I was supposed to be saying what's going on instead of evolution stuff. durpthat... doesn't help me much.At some point we had the big adult and the little juveniles swimming around it. Then the adult entered an ammonit, the juveniles became a caste, and then I got lost.
The original used the tentaclets of a crawler to find food, and the adult to use as a nursery for its own tentaclets.
Then the adult crawler became a 'queen' caste, and most of the young stayed as tentaclets.
After that, the jawshell's shell became a container for the adult crawler, as well as others. Meanwhile, a soldier caste evolved.
The most recent notable evolution was the evolution of a cattle castes, that is eaten by the adult crawler (now the hive) and the jawshell (the hivecase).
This water isn't murky enough. We need to blind the sighted bastards.+1 for Deadly Neurotoxin Ink Cloud.
Develop melanin glands connected to our neurotoxin ducts, and surrounding muscles capable of powerful contraction. When fully developed, we should be able to squirt out a stream (cloud, underwater) of ink that also has numbing (possibly paralyzing) effects.
The shoalcore is the big one that's swimming around.Aaaah, now I see!
The hivecase is the ammonite thing, and it contains the hive. The hive is the one that gives birth to the guidelings. The guidlings have three castes: A cattle caste (that fattens up and is eaten by the hive and hivecase), a guider caste (that's the one that searches for food with the shoalcore) and the soldier caste (which guards the shoalcore or the hive).
+1 for Deadly Neurotoxin Ink Cloud.
+1I believe this suggestion adequately summarizes the discussion.
We do what we must, because we can. +1+1 for Deadly Neurotoxin Ink Cloud.Yes. I agree. +1
First Time posting so bear with me i do believe something to consider would be a brain ganglion which would allow us at least a more advanced processing center for are cells and a quicker reaction speed.Greetings!
First Time posting so bear with me i do believe something to consider would be a brain ganglion which would allow us at least a more advanced processing center for are cells and a quicker reaction speed.welcome to the nicest place on the internet now could you kindly transport these kittens to the butchers then could you kindly check on the mermaids they sould have some kids we can sell as bones
What Starbucks Dice here is saying is welcome!First Time posting so bear with me i do believe something to consider would be a brain ganglion which would allow us at least a more advanced processing center for are cells and a quicker reaction speed.welcome to the nicest place on the internet now could you kindly transport these kittens to the butchers then could you kindly check on the mermaids they sould have some kids we can sell as bones
Welcome fleshling! May your conversion to the Toad be quick and painless!What Starbucks Dice here is saying is welcome!First Time posting so bear with me i do believe something to consider would be a brain ganglion which would allow us at least a more advanced processing center for are cells and a quicker reaction speed.welcome to the nicest place on the internet now could you kindly transport these kittens to the butchers then could you kindly check on the mermaids they sould have some kids we can sell as bones
that reminds me I still have some shreads of sanity is that normal because only GWG seems to have sanity hereWelcome fleshling! May your conversion to the Toad be quick and painless!What Starbucks Dice here is saying is welcome!First Time posting so bear with me i do believe something to consider would be a brain ganglion which would allow us at least a more advanced processing center for are cells and a quicker reaction speed.welcome to the nicest place on the internet now could you kindly transport these kittens to the butchers then could you kindly check on the mermaids they sould have some kids we can sell as bones
+1+1 for Deadly Neurotoxin Ink Cloud.
Yes. I agree. +1
Everyone needs their own brand of madness, maybe yours is mocking sanity. Have some falcons and bathrobes.that reminds me I still have some shreads of sanity is that normal because only GWG seems to have sanity hereWelcome fleshling! May your conversion to the Toad be quick and painless!What Starbucks Dice here is saying is welcome!First Time posting so bear with me i do believe something to consider would be a brain ganglion which would allow us at least a more advanced processing center for are cells and a quicker reaction speed.welcome to the nicest place on the internet now could you kindly transport these kittens to the butchers then could you kindly check on the mermaids they sould have some kids we can sell as bones
thanks here have some cookies they are just out of the ovenEveryone needs their own brand of madness, maybe yours is mocking sanity. Have some falcons and bathrobes.that reminds me I still have some shreads of sanity is that normal because only GWG seems to have sanity hereWelcome fleshling! May your conversion to the Toad be quick and painless!What Starbucks Dice here is saying is welcome!First Time posting so bear with me i do believe something to consider would be a brain ganglion which would allow us at least a more advanced processing center for are cells and a quicker reaction speed.welcome to the nicest place on the internet now could you kindly transport these kittens to the butchers then could you kindly check on the mermaids they sould have some kids we can sell as bones
I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.
I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.
No we don't. Plenty of blind species in the world.We need eyes eventually though.I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.
No we don't. Plenty of blind species in the world.We need eyes eventually though.I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.
Depends on how you calculate dominant. Plenty of biotopes and niches in which "good" eyes are not important. We're in one of those.
Also, why would we ever progress to land. We haven't got a skeleton, breathing system, structural support, digestion system, and our natural weaponry and movements systems are useless there.
Eh, right now we don't really need them.Depends on how you calculate dominant. Plenty of biotopes and niches in which "good" eyes are not important. We're in one of those.
Also, why would we ever progress to land. We haven't got a skeleton, breathing system, structural support, digestion system, and our natural weaponry and movements systems are useless there.
we may want to progress to land later on, or we may more to a different biome.
I'm not saying replace what we have with eyes, just add eyes on top, even if they aren't much use at the moment.
+1 to brain and body structure. Maybe cartilage because it's light and we're doing pretty nicely without bones anyway.Yes, +1 to brain and some sort of structure, preferably cartilage.
Why?We need eyes eventually though.I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.
Because if we want to be able to make nukes, we'll need fire to smelt the materials. And I'd say we're more fish with tentacle faces and deathcloud-makers in their gills. And pocket guts. And fangs. And a radula.Why?We need eyes eventually though.I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.
Eyes are only "dominant" because those clades that are unusually good at adapting happened to have eyes as an ancestral characteristic. If the ancestral chordates had electricity-sensitive rather than light-sensitive cells, we would be arguing over electric sense vs. that crazy light-sense. Also, as noted, many creatures lost their eyes, so clearly they aren't all that important...especially if we have a variety of other senses that can be used in their stead.
And look at our creature. Its closest parallels are cephalopods and cnidarians, two clades which have not ever had a terrestrial member. What makes you think we're going on land any time soon?
1. What makes you think that we want nukes?Because if we want to be able to make nukes, we'll need fire to smelt the materials. And I'd say we're more fish with tentacle faces and deathcloud-makers in their gills. And pocket guts. And fangs. And a radula.Why?We need eyes eventually though.I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.
Eyes are only "dominant" because those clades that are unusually good at adapting happened to have eyes as an ancestral characteristic. If the ancestral chordates had electricity-sensitive rather than light-sensitive cells, we would be arguing over electric sense vs. that crazy light-sense. Also, as noted, many creatures lost their eyes, so clearly they aren't all that important...especially if we have a variety of other senses that can be used in their stead.
And look at our creature. Its closest parallels are cephalopods and cnidarians, two clades which have not ever had a terrestrial member. What makes you think we're going on land any time soon?
Okay we have many features from octoPODES but we look like a pretty fishy.
And that spearface guy might make nukes before us if we don't get onto land eventually.
I think nukes and stuff would be cool, but I agree with GreatWyrm. We can develop that stuff underwater somehow, and it would be cool to be blind, relying on electro-sense and smell the whole time.1. What makes you think that we want nukes?Because if we want to be able to make nukes, we'll need fire to smelt the materials. And I'd say we're more fish with tentacle faces and deathcloud-makers in their gills. And pocket guts. And fangs. And a radula.Why?We need eyes eventually though.I think we need to develop some god damned eyes!No we don't. Eyes are pretty useless in murky water, and rather hard to develop anyway.
Eyes are only "dominant" because those clades that are unusually good at adapting happened to have eyes as an ancestral characteristic. If the ancestral chordates had electricity-sensitive rather than light-sensitive cells, we would be arguing over electric sense vs. that crazy light-sense. Also, as noted, many creatures lost their eyes, so clearly they aren't all that important...especially if we have a variety of other senses that can be used in their stead.
And look at our creature. Its closest parallels are cephalopods and cnidarians, two clades which have not ever had a terrestrial member. What makes you think we're going on land any time soon?
Okay we have many features from octoPODES but we look like a pretty fishy.
And that spearface guy might make nukes before us if we don't get onto land eventually.
2. What makes you think that Bay12 can't come up with a way for aquatic animals to create a nuclear-age civilization?
3. Since this is an evolutionary suggestion game, what makes you sure we'd be able to control our civilization?
Wouldn't electrosense allow us to use electrically based tools from a distance? It's the equivalent of looking at the steering wheel to turn left.absolutely not. It's like assuming we can use light-based tool with our eyes.
The main problem with an underwater civilisation is a lack of smelting.I beg to differ
Since I'm lazy, have a discussion on whether aquatic sapients are plausible or not. (http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/topic/5086318/1/)The main problem with an underwater civilisation is a lack of smelting.I beg to differ
(http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/04fire/background/volcanism/pillow_lava_220.jpg)
Since I'm lazy, have a discussion on whether aquatic sapients are plausible or not. (http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/topic/5086318/1/)The main problem with an underwater civilisation is a lack of smelting.I beg to differ
(http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/04fire/background/volcanism/pillow_lava_220.jpg)
Funnily enough, there are devices that can be operated with the eyes, intended for quadrepalegics IIRC.Wouldn't electrosense allow us to use electrically based tools from a distance? It's the equivalent of looking at the steering wheel to turn left.absolutely not. It's like assuming we can use light-based tool with our eyes.
The main problem with an underwater civilisation is a lack of smelting.Why is metal so needed for civilization? It's one thing, and a thing many peoples lived without, and several empires arose with very little of.
It's more 'industrial civilisation' than 'sapience' I'm on about. But DANG YOU ME YOU POSTED IN AN ARGUMENT AGAIN.The main problem with an underwater civilisation is a lack of smelting.Why is metal so needed for civilization? It's one thing, and a thing many peoples lived without, and several empires arose with very little of.
And why is smelting needed? Presumably you can cold-forge metals underwater as well as on land.
Well, industry would take a while to get off the ground, but as long as you don't take a definition of "industry" that specifically requires steel, stem power, or whatever, I don't see why--It's more 'industrial civilisation' than 'sapience' I'm on about.The main problem with an underwater civilisation is a lack of smelting.Why is metal so needed for civilization? It's one thing, and a thing many peoples lived without, and several empires arose with very little of.
And why is smelting needed? Presumably you can cold-forge metals underwater as well as on land.
Okay. Someone make sure there's no posts I need to respond to until I can get the next update up.--oops.
Query: What do the Spearfaced thingies eat?Everything we do, including us on occassion
Niche grabbing time! We should evolve primitive lungs, enough so that we can live out of water for relatively short periods of time before needing it as a supplement. Then, change our muscle structure to allow us to wriggle powerfully, similarly to a lungfish. Change our tentacles so that some are our previous, poison-injecting tentacles, while others are more similar to spades. Re-purpose our electrosense so that we can sense vibrations in the ground. Use this to burrow in safety and locate other creatures and kill them.Why, sure, alright..., and only if we can keep electrosense.
And they're bigger than anything else?Query: What do the Spearfaced thingies eat?Everything we do, including us on occassion
The atmosphere has, quite literally, shattered.Never mind the fact that Gamma ray burst don't do that(they microwave the atmosphere), I don't think it's a smart move to go out of the water now. There won't be anything alive outside the water, after all.
Become symbiotes with our predators.
Increase breeding rate.
We already got a basic pressure sense, so it's not mutually exclusive. And, if anyone remembers, we still got our basic eyespots.Niche grabbing time! We should evolve primitive lungs, enough so that we can live out of water for relatively short periods of time before needing it as a supplement. Then, change our muscle structure to allow us to wriggle powerfully, similarly to a lungfish. Change our tentacles so that some are our previous, poison-injecting tentacles, while others are more similar to spades. Re-purpose our electrosense so that we can sense vibrations in the ground. Use this to burrow in safety and locate other creatures and kill them.Why, sure, alright..., and only if we can keep electrosense.
They have much the same diet as previous bigger us: Whatever's not too toxic and not too fast, as long as it's meaty.And they're bigger than anything else?Query: What do the Spearfaced thingies eat?Everything we do, including us on occassion
Still, there's nothing up there. Everything on the surface should 've been fried.From what I can tell, that's the point. We are now midgets that are most probably going to get eaten by everything that can get its jaws around us without vomiting, and there is a total of 0 things that can do that on land.
There's also nothing to eat on land.Still, there's nothing up there. Everything on the surface should 've been fried.From what I can tell, that's the point. We are now midgets that are most probably going to get eaten by everything that can get its jaws around us without vomiting, and there is a total of 0 things that can do that on land.
Also, guys who already voted, we've still got 9 things without any of them having a vote higher than 4. If you see anything you like, make sure to +1 it. Also, -1 is a valid vote.
That's why we live in the water. We're not moving to land, we're gaining the ability to go on it if we feel like it (say, if we're being chased by a spearfaced worm).There's also nothing to eat on land.Still, there's nothing up there. Everything on the surface should 've been fried.From what I can tell, that's the point. We are now midgets that are most probably going to get eaten by everything that can get its jaws around us without vomiting, and there is a total of 0 things that can do that on land.
Also, guys who already voted, we've still got 9 things without any of them having a vote higher than 4. If you see anything you like, make sure to +1 it. Also, -1 is a valid vote.
Improved breeding rate and symbiotic/parastic relationship with our most dangerous competitor seems to be a winner. The second one was before. +1 for each.My vote goes here
Continue parasitising those bloody worms! Also increase burrowing capacity.Do this. Also, sybiotize a species of plant so that it won't let anyone else eat it.
Continue parasitising those bloody worms! Also increase burrowing capacity.+1
Just as a note.-1QuoteThe atmosphere has, quite literally, shattered.Never mind the fact that Gamma ray burst don't do that(they microwave the atmosphere), I don't think it's a smart move to go out of the water now. There won't be anything alive outside the water, after all.
We can do something sea snail like. Absorbing the cholorophyls of the plants we eat.+1Continue parasitising those bloody worms! Also increase burrowing capacity.+1
+1We can do something sea snail like. Absorbing the cholorophyls of the plants we eat.+1Continue parasitising those bloody worms! Also increase burrowing capacity.+1
+1, as well as -1 to land.+1We can do something sea snail like. Absorbing the cholorophyls of the plants we eat.+1Continue parasitising those bloody worms! Also increase burrowing capacity.+1
True.
How do mudskippers do it?
I was referring to senses, actually. Do they just see or do their lateral lines have some kind of tympanic membrane or something so they can hear on land?True.Mudskippers keep themselves oxygenated by using water trapped within their gills, or through absorbing oxygen with their skin. They suck up plankton that have been washed up on the mud, and use their four front fins to push themselves along.
How do mudskippers do it?
Does that give you an answer? I didn't really figure out the question.
+1+1We can do something sea snail like. Absorbing the cholorophyls of the plants we eat.+1Continue parasitising those bloody worms! Also increase burrowing capacity.+1
Grow in size
Develop pheromones for better communication. Swarming is fun.+1
Make ourself less meaty and more difficult to chew (spikes, exoskeletons, whatever).+1 to all of that.Develop pheromones for better communication. Swarming is fun.+1
Indeed,Make ourself less meaty and more difficult to chew (spikes, exoskeletons, whatever).+1 to all of that.Develop pheromones for better communication. Swarming is fun.+1
Indeed,Make ourself less meaty and more difficult to chew (spikes, exoskeletons, whatever).+1 to all of that.Develop pheromones for better communication. Swarming is fun.+1
+1
Evolve better freshwater tolerance and migrate up the river.+1
We can take nice advantage of those plants.
If we go upriver, it should be hard to see again because of the plant cover.Evolve better freshwater tolerance and migrate up the river.+1
We can take nice advantage of those plants.
Should we get sight to take advantage of the visibility?
Hmm.If we go upriver, it should be hard to see again because of the plant cover.Evolve better freshwater tolerance and migrate up the river.+1
We can take nice advantage of those plants.
Should we get sight to take advantage of the visibility?
Nope, in the plants, visibility will decrease again.Evolve better freshwater tolerance and migrate up the river.+1
We can take nice advantage of those plants.
Should we get sight to take advantage of the visibility?
+1 to both camoflague and chlorophyll absorption.+1
On another note: Develop echolocation. Should help us find some stuff....
What about the others? Did they not get enough votes?No, they only got a 3-vote and a 2-vote.
I will suggest the flying japanese squid-like "flight" a second time. Plus increased agility of the tentacles. And a fanged mouth.All sound good to me.
I, too, will +1I will suggest the flying japanese squid-like "flight" a second time. Plus increased agility of the tentacles. And a fanged mouth.All sound good to me.
+1I, too, will +1I will suggest the flying japanese squid-like "flight" a second time. Plus increased agility of the tentacles. And a fanged mouth.All sound good to me.
+1+1I, too, will +1I will suggest the flying japanese squid-like "flight" a second time. Plus increased agility of the tentacles. And a fanged mouth.All sound good to me.
+1 to all+1+1I, too, will +1I will suggest the flying japanese squid-like "flight" a second time. Plus increased agility of the tentacles. And a fanged mouth.All sound good to me.
On another note, I again suggest the stealing of chlorophyll.
Okay, current votes are:I shall +1 all of these except for the propulsion and tentacles which I already +1'd.
Propulsion gliding x6
Nimbler tentacles x6
Chlorophyll x2
Intelligence x1
More group organisation x1
Evolve lungs and wing structuring such that we can now both fly and swim almost indefinately.+1
Evolve lungs and wing structuring such that we can now both fly and swim almost indefinately.+1 and scales/thick skin to avoid dehydratation.
+1Evolve lungs and wing structuring such that we can now both fly and swim almost indefinately.+1 and scales/thick skin to avoid dehydratation.
+1 to adding scales/thick skin to the equationIndeed, although this is starting to sound a bit like a dragon.
That's good!+1 to adding scales/thick skin to the equationIndeed, although this is starting to sound a bit like a dragon.
+1Evolve lungs and wing structuring such that we can now both fly and swim almost indefinately.+1 and scales/thick skin to avoid dehydratation.
+1+1 to adding scales/thick skin to the equationIndeed, although this is starting to sound a bit like a dragon.
From my mental image, we're still cthulid in nature. Three sets of muscular mandibles, a long fish-like body, a fish's tail, two large wings at the centre, two smaller wings near the front, a single leg-fin under each pair of wings, see-through scales, slimy skin, a hive and a horde of hexapedal lizard-like things with similarly tentacled faces.+1
The electromagnetic spectrum didn't like that. We can still work on it, though. Maybe we can evolve the ability to survive in SPAAACE?-1
Has anyone considered using bubblegrove plants to spread ourselves? As they are carried by the wind, they seem as a good way to expand the reach of our species.+1 for attaching some babies to them
+1Has anyone considered using bubblegrove plants to spread ourselves? As they are carried by the wind, they seem as a good way to expand the reach of our species.+1 for attaching some babies to them
+1 to ataching babies/hives to the bubblegrove seeds. Maybe also have our hives grow amoungst their roots to defend them from grazzers.+1Has anyone considered using bubblegrove plants to spread ourselves? As they are carried by the wind, they seem as a good way to expand the reach of our species.+1 for attaching some babies to them
I'd like to +1 better hearing, please.
+1 to Attach young to bubblegroveme too, to both.
mmm... Obviously we need to deal with this "camo". The solution might lie in our brains. If we can use pulses of pressure via secondary jets to communicate perception information throughout the pack, the brain can recalculate the prey's position. Basically using multiples point of view transmitting a general area where the prey is to build a 3D brain imagery of the surroundings.plus all the ones
Furthermore, the hearing could recalibrate itself to ignore the humming sounds. Quite easy (human brain does it automatically). And the electric perception could be multifrequential to prevent synchronisation (the equivalent of randomly quickening/slowing down our pulse to a certain degree).
TL;DR mainly improving "software", slight changes to the "hardware". Result in better brain, open door to further brain/group improvement.
Revise old neurotoxin ink projection system for distance and accuracy improvements (focus more on projectile than cloud applications).
Better brain +1.
Echolocation +1.+1
Better brain +1.
Improve communication +1
Revise old neurotoxin ink projection system for distance and accuracy improvements (focus more on projectile than cloud applications).+1
Evolve the catale cast to produce fatty globuals rather then getting eaten, make them dary cows not meat cows.
same thing.Revise old neurotoxin ink projection system for distance and accuracy improvements (focus more on projectile than cloud applications).+1+1
Evolve the catale cast to produce fatty globuals rather then getting eaten, make them dary cows not meat cows.
+1 This is quite good, this game. I like it.Echolocation +1.+1
Better brain +1.
Improve communication +1
Revise old neurotoxin ink projection system for distance and accuracy improvements (focus more on projectile than cloud applications).+1
Evolve the catale cast to produce fatty globuals rather then getting eaten, make them dary cows not meat cows.
+1+1 This is quite good, this game. I like it.Echolocation +1.+1
Better brain +1.
Improve communication +1
Revise old neurotoxin ink projection system for distance and accuracy improvements (focus more on projectile than cloud applications).+1
Evolve the catale cast to produce fatty globuals rather then getting eaten, make them dary cows not meat cows.
mmm... Obviously we need to deal with this "camo". The solution might lie in our brains. If we can use pulses of pressure via secondary jets to communicate perception information throughout the pack, the brain can recalculate the prey's position. Basically using multiples point of view transmitting a general area where the prey is to build a 3D brain imagery of the surroundings.+1
Furthermore, the hearing could recalibrate itself to ignore the humming sounds. Quite easy (human brain does it automatically). And the electric perception could be multifrequential to prevent synchronisation (the equivalent of randomly quickening/slowing down our pulse to a certain degree).
TL;DR mainly improving "software", slight changes to the "hardware". Result in better brain, open door to further brain/group improvement.
Evolve larger brain+1
Evolve sharper claws, to make them act like scissors on vegetation\shelled prey
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SNIPAH NEUROTOXIN x6This, because it's fcking awesome.
FCK YEAHSNIPAH NEUROTOXIN x6This, because it's fcking awesome.
+1 to each
Change frequencies of sound/electricity x3
Scissor-like claws x2
Develop better, larger wings.+1
Develop better memory (orientation, ability to remember more different calls from pack members)
Develop scissor like claws
Develop better, larger wings.+1's
Develop better memory (orientation, ability to remember more different calls from pack members)
Develop scissor like claws
Furthermore, we need to change that reproductive system now that we are less waterborne than airborne. Internal fecondation is a durable solution to this problem. To be crudely direct, we need proper sex.I'd like to not, even if we don't spend out adult lives in the water out larva and our symbiotes are still aquatic (I think)
Evolve the hive to burow into the mud so that it is protected, keep a pasage to the surface open so guidlings and Tentaclets can access it.+1
I'd like to not, even if we don't spend out adult lives in the water out larva and our symbiotes are still aquatic (I think)Not a reason not to improve our reproductive system, I think.
Horizontal gene transfer : Basically, a system that allows for "usefull" genes to be transferred from a single specimen to another without needing offspring.There isn't really any way of knowing which gene is useful, and a successful animal is hardly going to give its genes to some randomer it doesn't know.
Horizontal gene transfer : Basically, a system that allows for "usefull" genes to be transferred from a single specimen to another without needing offspring.Tentative +1, horizontal gene transfes is almost unheard of in eukariotes, lets see how this plays out.
Improve wings +1.+1
Improve brain +1.
Improve claws +1.
Begin implanting eggs and hives into neorotoxin-disabled leggedgrinders.good long range plan but first we need to make the soldier and catle guidelings air breathers. Theoreticly the hive can get its nutrition and resperation from interfacing with the leggedgrinder's circulatory system. burowing may even act as a pre adaptation, the tube for holding the tunel open would translate nicly, and the hive could develope a special pouch for holding our eggs, but for now we should focuse on the short term small steps.
The first part is a bit sticky, IRL the transfered information is usualy eaither randome, neare a virus insertion site, or on a specilized plasmid. Natural selection gets rid of the bad ones. The second part is simpler, its copy paste not cut and paste. the risk to the donar is neglagable (unless the recipeant is going to out compeate the donar afterwards)Horizontal gene transfer : Basically, a system that allows for "usefull" genes to be transferred from a single specimen to another without needing offspring.There isn't really any way of knowing which gene is useful, and a successful animal is hardly going to give its genes to some randomer it doesn't know.
Yeah, that last bit. And it'd be way too much work to rewrite your ENTIRE genome just to get an extra bit in, that's what sexual reproduction is for.The first part is a bit sticky, IRL the transfered information is usualy eaither randome, neare a virus insertion site, or on a specilized plasmid. Natural selection gets rid of the bad ones. The second part is simpler, its copy paste not cut and paste. the risk to the donar is neglagable (unless the recipeant is going to out compeate the donar afterwards)Horizontal gene transfer : Basically, a system that allows for "usefull" genes to be transferred from a single specimen to another without needing offspring.There isn't really any way of knowing which gene is useful, and a successful animal is hardly going to give its genes to some randomer it doesn't know.
You don't rewright the entire thing, just the part that is homologus to the donated part. IRL only a smal fragment is transfered, It lines up in part or in whole with a peice of the recipeant genome and they are swaped out by homolgus recombonation, or if its a plasmid it just gose into the cell cytoplasm, or if transmited with a virus (or potentialy a virus like particle) is just inserts into the genome at a sequence defind by the enzimes it came with. Horazontal gene transfer is complicated , mostly becuse of how many types there are.Yeah, that last bit. And it'd be way too much work to rewrite your ENTIRE genome just to get an extra bit in, that's what sexual reproduction is for.The first part is a bit sticky, IRL the transfered information is usualy eaither randome, neare a virus insertion site, or on a specilized plasmid. Natural selection gets rid of the bad ones. The second part is simpler, its copy paste not cut and paste. the risk to the donar is neglagable (unless the recipeant is going to out compeate the donar afterwards)Horizontal gene transfer : Basically, a system that allows for "usefull" genes to be transferred from a single specimen to another without needing offspring.There isn't really any way of knowing which gene is useful, and a successful animal is hardly going to give its genes to some randomer it doesn't know.
+1 to EVERYTHING!
Improve dancing skills.silly
Don't be not in the water all the time.long sence taken care of
Extra sensors on the tail for rearview sensing.+1
No legs.WTF!? no -1
Hivecase is amphibious.+1
What are you talking about that? We need it for a Social victory! In fact, adding Pose would be a good idea.Improve dancing skills.silly
You could use a reread.QuoteDon't be not in the water all the time.long sence taken care of
Agreed.QuoteExtra sensors on the tail for rearview sensing.+1QuoteNo legs.WTF!? no -1QuoteHivecase is amphibious.+1
Actually I am just a massive procrastinator. I'll get it up soon, but I got distracted by that Species: Artificial Life, Real Evolution game.hehehe
*SLAP*Actually I am just a massive procrastinator. I'll get it up soon, but I got distracted by that Species: Artificial Life, Real Evolution game.hehehe
Improve our agility while in the air.
Improve our poison into a device that launches small stinger proectiles at opponents.
Make a 'swarm' guideling caste. Covered in tiny spines and bearing small wings. Carry them on the main creature and use them as bombs.+1Improve our agility while in the air.Or combine them with this and cover them with our poison first.
Improve our poison into a device that launches small stinger proectiles at opponents.
Improve our agility while in the air.+1 to that.
Improve our poison into a device that launches small stinger proectiles at opponents.
Make a 'swarm' guideling caste. Covered in tiny spines and bearing small wings. Carry them on the main creature and use them as bombs.+1 to this, by the by.Improve our agility while in the air.Or combine them with this and cover them with our poison first.
Improve our poison into a device that launches small stinger proectiles at opponents.
I'm not. They're on the list already.
I suggest that rather than put the hives in the trees, let's have floating aerial hives that will be less vulnerable to predators. That way, we never actually have to set foot on land.This sounds cool, I'll grant you that.
Only problem is that with the slightest bit of wind, they float away. This is no problem for an floating plant, but could drive us out of our habitat.I suggest that rather than put the hives in the trees, let's have floating aerial hives that will be less vulnerable to predators. That way, we never actually have to set foot on land.This sounds cool, I'll grant you that.
+1Only problem is that with the slightest bit of wind, they float away. This is no problem for an floating plant, but could drive us out of our habitat.I suggest that rather than put the hives in the trees, let's have floating aerial hives that will be less vulnerable to predators. That way, we never actually have to set foot on land.This sounds cool, I'll grant you that.
Instead, I propose we put our hives in the trees. Instant camouflage, armour and sustenance.
Make hives parasital/symbiotic with certain trees.µ
((Oh, and please bold stuff. Makes it easier to find.))
+1 to floating hives that attach to trees with spiked tentacles (to avoid floating away, and can parasite it), but can still move away if needed.I approve of this.
Scents in rainforest is a bad idea. Let's go with sound-based localisation. We have fine hearing, so we can detect sounds our predators cannot (hopefully). Both for the hive and the gliders. Hive "sing" to help us locate it, and conversely.
On that topic, we could midify our brain process to turn the rain from a jammer into a passive radar. If rain is regular enough, we can infer our surroundings from the sounds it makes. That would require a lot of brainpower, and indirectly makes us sort of smarter. Especially if we later redirect that brainpower to different tasks (because we moved to a less rainy area).
+1 to tree-climbing as well.
+1 to everything aboveThis.
guidelings with large and excessively bright lower tentacles) help us find our way home by providing a visual message.query: when did we get eyes? ???
Indeed. I believe we have strict bans on eyes and living on the ground.guidelings with large and excessively bright lower tentacles) help us find our way home by providing a visual message.query: when did we get eyes? ???
Won't be long before all those hydrogen balloons go up in flames....Shit
+1 and guidelings can also fend off animals that could damage the tree.I thought that was implied.
Continue hive parasitism. We want to grow through the tree, and end up on top of it.
Have the hives evolve to be symbiotic with trees. The hives get off the ground and a solid protection around them; the trees get protection and are fertilized by scraps of food and waste from the Hives.
+1 and guidelings can also fend off animals that could damage the tree. Though I still think the hive should get balloons and the ability to move from tree to tree should the need arise.
I intended those two to be the same basically.Yeah but I needed a spare one.
Symbiotise trees+1
Symbiotise trees+1
I reiterate my suggestion that we have the cattle cast develop translucent gut pouches to hold symbiotic algae's about all the crazy I got at the moment
Okay, guys. PLEASE BE INSANE. YOU'RE BEING BORING RIGHT NOW.Very well.
7Okay, guys. PLEASE BE INSANE. YOU'RE BEING BORING RIGHT NOW.Very well.
You know our previous plans of being mind flayers? Hives release spores that attach to organisms and establish control over them. Why symbiotize trees when we can make them our mind slaves?
Okay, guys. PLEASE BE INSANE. YOU'RE BEING BORING RIGHT NOW.Very well.
You know our previous plans of being mind flayers? Hives release spores that attach to organisms and establish control over them. Why symbiotize trees when we can make them our mind slaves?
WHY IS THERE A 7.7Okay, guys. PLEASE BE INSANE. YOU'RE BEING BORING RIGHT NOW.Very well.
You know our previous plans of being mind flayers? Hives release spores that attach to organisms and establish control over them. Why symbiotize trees when we can make them our mind slaves?
I APPROVE CARRY ON.
WHY IS THERE A 7.7Okay, guys. PLEASE BE INSANE. YOU'RE BEING BORING RIGHT NOW.Very well.
You know our previous plans of being mind flayers? Hives release spores that attach to organisms and establish control over them. Why symbiotize trees when we can make them our mind slaves?
I APPROVE CARRY ON.
Also I have thought of a way we could biologically possibly do this.
Agreed. Since we have electrical capacity, can we evolve a way of mimicking the fight or flight response in the brains of higher animals and forcing them to flee, as a starting point?This would be good. We could use it to keep our hives cleared.
You mean like this nasty organism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis)?Or you know, standard Toxoplasma gondii.
Agreed. Since we have electrical capacity, can we evolve a way of mimicking the fight or flight response in the brains of higher animals and forcing them to flee, as a starting point?Chemicals are better at manipulating brains than electrical signals. Location doesn't matter as much for those.
Agreed. Since we have electrical capacity, can we evolve a way of mimicking the fight or flight response in the brains of higher animals and forcing them to flee, as a starting point?Probably not, unless we use BRAIN HIJACK first.
Hydrogen bladders on our flyers. They make us lighter and therefore make flying easier.You mean on us or some sort of flying guideling?
We already did that once, in another suggestion game.Don't worry, if this succeeded, it would only be able to target things with similar chemical signals. So it'll be like The Birds, except with alien skywhawks.
It's often boring.
We already did that once, in another suggestion game.
It's often boring.
Why, not crazy enough? WE ARE GODDAMNED FLYING SQUIDS WITH SPEAR TENTACLES NESTING IN ORGANIC BALOONS ATTACHED TO THE TREES. How is that not crazy?You forgot that we have rifles as well.
Forgive the caps lock x)
I liked the electro-communication we used to have. Do we still have that? Like we can change our electrical field in ways that other slicers would pick up and could interpret. It would be pretty cool to be able to communicate in a way that most other organisms can't even detect.
Hydrogen bladders on our flyers. They make us lighter and therefore make flying easier.You mean on us or some sort of flying guideling?
Also I forgot if guidelings can fly.
This is something I support. What need have we for the ground when we can conceivably live our entire lives in the air?I liked the electro-communication we used to have. Do we still have that? Like we can change our electrical field in ways that other slicers would pick up and could interpret. It would be pretty cool to be able to communicate in a way that most other organisms can't even detect.Hydrogen bladders on our flyers. They make us lighter and therefore make flying easier.You mean on us or some sort of flying guideling?
Also I forgot if guidelings can fly.
This, but let's go further. Parasitise/Symbiotise the hydrogen gas-bag creatures - create airborne hives and move our entire life-cycle into the air. True, we'd have to manually supply a lot of the hive's needs (or it'd require feeder guidelings), but it'd certainly be Fun.
Supporting all of that.I liked the electro-communication we used to have. Do we still have that? Like we can change our electrical field in ways that other slicers would pick up and could interpret. It would be pretty cool to be able to communicate in a way that most other organisms can't even detect.Hydrogen bladders on our flyers. They make us lighter and therefore make flying easier.You mean on us or some sort of flying guideling?
Also I forgot if guidelings can fly.
This, but let's go further. Parasitise/Symbiotise the hydrogen gas-bag creatures - create airborne hives and move our entire life-cycle into the air. True, we'd have to manually supply a lot of the hive's needs (or it'd require feeder guidelings), but it'd certainly be Fun.
Parasitise/Symbiotise the hydrogen gas-bag creatures - create airborne hives and move our entire life-cycle into the air.This, I love this idea.
+1Parasitise/Symbiotise the hydrogen gas-bag creatures - create airborne hives and move our entire life-cycle into the air.This, I love this idea.
I don't.1) MOAR BALLOONS. BIGGER.
For previously mentioned reasons.
1) The bags are floating relatively close to the ground, meaning they don't have a lot of exess hydrogen. Attach something to it, and it's going down
2) Remember Michael Bays. That's what an errant spark would cause
3) Our hives are weaker there (out in the open, no food supply, no defense)
4) No way to control where we're going, a bad gust of wind and we might find ourselves in the sahara
1)Fire is the way these balloons spread. They burn down, their seeds fall to the ground, and then they hatch into new trees, which release new balloon seeds. As the GM said, in case of a fire, most of the sky will go Michael bays.1) never heard of that, and GM toned down our fears of the whole forest going MB.
3) We're not. We're just to fast and to dangerous for the large aerial predators. Or hives are immobile, and often undefended. Also more tasty than our small selves.
4) These are not balloons. These are just bottles of hydrogen with no real way to choose their heading or altitude. The fact that the amount of balloons above the forest is constant is because well, balloons fly into the area as well as out.
-1+1Parasitise/Symbiotise the hydrogen gas-bag creatures - create airborne hives and move our entire life-cycle into the air.This, I love this idea.
-1-1+1Parasitise/Symbiotise the hydrogen gas-bag creatures - create airborne hives and move our entire life-cycle into the air.This, I love this idea.
Doubt the GM is letting us play in 2 areas at once. So yes, it's moving.D:
+1 to symbiosis+1.
Better brains
Faster
Reintroduce burrowing and swimming ability[/b]-1. No ground association for us.
What would it take to spread to several, wildly different environments? It may cause divergent evolution, but then again, it is one major feature of evolution.Agreed. I'd like it if we formed the ancestors of the dominant clade.
I assume that already happens. However, those who spread simply become another species, and hence are no longer in our control.What would it take to spread to several, wildly different environments? It may cause divergent evolution, but then again, it is one major feature of evolution.Agreed. I'd like it if we formed the ancestors of the dominant clade.
We cant become the dominant clade if we stay strictly endemic to a single forest at a.time...I assume that already happens. However, those who spread simply become another species, and hence are no longer in our control.What would it take to spread to several, wildly different environments? It may cause divergent evolution, but then again, it is one major feature of evolution.Agreed. I'd like it if we formed the ancestors of the dominant clade.
Arbitrary gameplay reasonsWe cant become the dominant clade if we stay strictly endemic to a single forest at a.time...I assume that already happens. However, those who spread simply become another species, and hence are no longer in our control.What would it take to spread to several, wildly different environments? It may cause divergent evolution, but then again, it is one major feature of evolution.Agreed. I'd like it if we formed the ancestors of the dominant clade.
Seriously, if we were to send half of our things to a nearby plain, why would we lose control?
And if not, at which point would we lose control over one of the groups and why?
I know let's add+1
Web-spinning
I know let's add+1. It's yours. You can have it.
Web-spinning
Symbiotise trees
Make cattle digest wood
I know let's add+1
Web-spinning
Better brains+1
Faster
+ another 1Symbiotise trees+1
Make cattle digest woodI know let's add+1
Web-spinningBetter brains+1
Faster
These things would be terrifying in real life
Parisitise balloons x2+1, sort of. Only instead of using them as highly explosive hive base thingies, we use our new web ability and mini-forms to exploit the hell out of them. String up webs between them, possibly between them and the trees, consider evolving a moustache and the ability to cackle as the larger, presumably clumsier and less-guided-by-minions-and-non-sight-senses flying predator species stumble around the skies. Between that and the earlier suggestion we get suction cups, (+1ing that, btw), we should be able to develop a whole new form of mini-us, based around sticking on to balloons, trees and the like then ambushing others when they get hampered by webs.
Parisitise trees x2
Symbiotise trees x7
Parasitise EVERYTHING with hive spores controlling their minds x3
Make cattle digest wood x4
Parisitise balloons x3
Faster x4
Strength x1
Suction cups for climbing x2
Intelligence x4
Better swimming x1
Web-spinning x5
Bladed wings x1
Armour x1
Staying here x1
Just in case anyone has any last +1s. UPDATES SHALL SOON.
Hehehe permanently enlarged mammary glands acting as secondary sexual characteristics to attract mateswait howd you get there that fast
Begin the exodus!To WHERE, exactly?
It was a response to Gamerlord :PHehehe permanently enlarged mammary glands acting as secondary sexual characteristics to attract mateswait howd you get there that fast
To the cold forest!Begin the exodus!To WHERE, exactly?
Also, HOORAY FOR FLYING OMNIVOROUS PREDATORY SQUIDS WITH LEGS AND HIVES AND MIND PROBES CAUSING CLIMATE CHANGE!
To the South, wherever that may be. Should be warmer there.This. Normally I would advocate cold places, but I sense an Ice Age.
A: A 'cleanup' caste which metabolises harmful waste products.+1.
I'll call that the other continent's forest.To the South, wherever that may be. Should be warmer there.This. Normally I would advocate cold places, but I sense an Ice Age.
Maybe we can make something like penguin feathers or seal fur to keep ourselves warm?Are we even endotherms? it wouldn't be very helpful if we arn't.
In order to metabolize methane they would probably need a gut microbe of some kind to brake it down, giving them CO2 arts insted of methane fartsHow convenient.
Cleaner cast+1
Move to montane forest
Why not just adapt our own respiratory system to be able to use methane as an additional energy source? But if that doesn't get enough support, sublimate this suggestion to a +1 cleaner caste vote.I was going to say we couldn't and we still can't. That kind of biochemicle chang is way out of our leauge. But then it ocured to me that we could evolve special chambers off our trachia that house methane eating bacteria. We would probably need some sort of semi permiable berier to prevent methane from filling our lungs (wich would replace air and sufocate us) but nothing is actualy imposible about it.
Feathers are fur are boring. We have webbing and we have a brain. I say we develop the ability to make simple clothing for ourselves.+1
+1 to cleaner caste. We're already terraformers, we might as well take it to the next step and achieve control over the atmosphere itself.
+1 to silk clothing as an adaptation against cold - it's like building a nest around our own bodies! Also, spin the silk around hives to keep them warm too!
Spin silk hive clothing+1
Silk buildings
Claws on feet for tree-digging/kicking
+1 to moving to mountainsThis.
Hey, what if someone made a seperate evolution thread in the same world and the species got into competitionOr, maybe, we should have a secondary GM who decides how to rest of the environment adapts to us. It could bring challenge to this game.
Just as a note, but those things have been tried in the past and almost all ended in failure.Yeah. Personally, I'd enjoy having an alternate universe where someone takes control of a different type of creature, and we see what would happen if it was that (and not tentablobs) which went strange mood with their evolutions.
We have reached full Michael Bays. Things will never be the same.-1 on bigger and stronger. We need to regroup and start co-operating again.
Become bigger, faster, stronger, and smarter. As much as possible. Evolve teleawareness to stand in for eyes. Evolve tentaclets into armored shells.
Evolve crude real-time electrical telepathy.A nocturnal schedule is good. So is telepathy.
Fine electrical impulses from the sides of the Slicers can be interpreted by other slicers' electrical senses as the transmitter's visual sensations. Our evolved brain allow us to analyze the signal and "see what they see", and combine it with our own vision. Large groups will in time be able to have a single unified vision field. It is NOT a hivemind, just shared vision.
Live in less open environments. Dense forests, caves... Be nocturnal. Be the night. BE THE BAT.
Lets do the spider!1+ all of dis
evolve silk webs
evolve electrical field to interfere with other organism's brain waves, causing confusion.
+1 shared vision
+1 telepathy
+1 nocturnal.
Evolve crude real-time electrical telepathy.+1
Fine electrical impulses from the sides of the Slicers can be interpreted by other slicers' electrical senses as the transmitter's visual sensations. Our evolved brain allow us to analyze the signal and "see what they see", and combine it with our own vision. Large groups will in time be able to have a single unified vision field. It is NOT a hivemind, just shared vision.
Live in less open environments. Dense forests, caves... Be nocturnal. Be the night. BE THE BAT.
Lets do the spider!+1
evolve silk webs
evolve electrical field to interfere with other organism's brain waves, causing confusion.
+1 shared vision
+1 telepathy
+1 nocturnal.
Still, there's no proof that our clade is the dominant one.I assume that already happens. However, those who spread simply become another species, and hence are no longer in our control.What would it take to spread to several, wildly different environments? It may cause divergent evolution, but then again, it is one major feature of evolution.Agreed. I'd like it if we formed the ancestors of the dominant clade.
Evolve crude real-time electrical telepathy.
Fine electrical impulses from the sides of the Slicers can be interpreted by other slicers' electrical senses as the transmitter's visual sensations. Our evolved brain allow us to analyze the signal and "see what they see", and combine it with our own vision. Large groups will in time be able to have a single unified vision field. It is NOT a hivemind, just shared vision.
Live in less open environments. Dense forests, caves... Be nocturnal. Be the night. BE THE BAT.
+1 to everything as well as weaponized tail and digger/kicker feet+1
Greater cooperation
Smarter
Boobies.-1
Just as a note, but those things have been tried in the past and almost all ended in failure.Yeah. Personally, I'd enjoy having an alternate universe where someone takes control of a different type of creature, and we see what would happen if it was that (and not tentablobs) which went strange mood with their evolutions.
Subtle.*innocent whistling* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127524.0)Just as a note, but those things have been tried in the past and almost all ended in failure.Yeah. Personally, I'd enjoy having an alternate universe where someone takes control of a different type of creature, and we see what would happen if it was that (and not tentablobs) which went strange mood with their evolutions.
XDSubtle.*innocent whistling* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127524.0)Just as a note, but those things have been tried in the past and almost all ended in failure.Yeah. Personally, I'd enjoy having an alternate universe where someone takes control of a different type of creature, and we see what would happen if it was that (and not tentablobs) which went strange mood with their evolutions.
Hey, you're missing this:XDSubtle.*innocent whistling* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127524.0)Just as a note, but those things have been tried in the past and almost all ended in failure.Yeah. Personally, I'd enjoy having an alternate universe where someone takes control of a different type of creature, and we see what would happen if it was that (and not tentablobs) which went strange mood with their evolutions.
I changed telepathy to electrical communication, since it'd be a bit hard to say EXACTLY what they see.
Faster x1
Smarter x2
Nocturnal x6
Zap things for confusion x3
Electrical communication x8
Weaponised tail x1
Digger feet x1
Lets do the spider!(I think it means like RL spider webs, not what we had before.)
evolve silk webs
Yes it dose. Even a non adhesive net would be good for now.Lets do the spider!(I think it means like RL spider webs, not what we had before.)
evolve silk webs
Suction cup arms at base of neckI'll just say that's the arms on the back. SOON, UPDATE, SOON.
Evolve crude real-time electrical telepathy.+1
Fine electrical impulses from the sides of the Slicers can be interpreted by other slicers' electrical senses as the transmitter's visual sensations. Our evolved brain allow us to analyze the signal and "see what they see", and combine it with our own vision. Large groups will in time be able to have a single unified vision field. It is NOT a hivemind, just shared vision.
The one problem I see with the taiga is that we will need some new sort of elevated hidey hole for our babies, and there will be a lack of stuff in the sky for us to web.Good point. Hmmm...
Grow smaller and increase reproduction rate and 'age' rate (shroter lifespan, grows to adult faster). If we are smaller we can reduce biomass and thus energy required to grow. Basically, zerg rush the ecosystem; hopefully more of us will survive that way.-1. If we make ourselves less k strategists and more R strategists, we'll end up as prey animals. We need to be too much of a threat to be preyed upon.
Move into caves. Evolve digger claws.Ain't got no caves, ain't got a lack of claws
Larger packs x3Fixed it for you (ie added my +1's)
Symbiotise larger predator x3
Move to lowland woodlands x4
+1 pack hunting+1 to both. SKY WOLVES GO!
+1 revert to our old reliable turn-greatest-threat-into-motor-home ways
+1+1 pack hunting+1 to both. SKY WOLVES GO!
+1 revert to our old reliable turn-greatest-threat-into-motor-home ways
+1. Also, +1 to everything else except shrink and increase aging+1+1 pack hunting+1 to both. SKY WOLVES GO!
+1 revert to our old reliable turn-greatest-threat-into-motor-home ways
+1+1.+1+1 pack hunting+1 to both. SKY WOLVES GO!
+1 revert to our old reliable turn-greatest-threat-into-motor-home ways
+1 (bandwagon pyramid of agreement go!)+1+1.+1+1 pack hunting+1 to both. SKY WOLVES GO!
+1 revert to our old reliable turn-greatest-threat-into-motor-home ways
Update probably won't be up today, and I'll probably forget that +1 just behind me, but I shall have a SUPER SPECIAL MEGA ULTRA AWESOME with me when I return!+1
Also, you'll need to stop main-game +1s for a bit.As opposed to what, minigame +1's?
Well, you could... Make a quote pyramid?Also, you'll need to stop main-game +1s for a bit.As opposed to what, minigame +1's?
Well, you could... Make a quote pyramid?Also, you'll need to stop main-game +1s for a bit.As opposed to what, minigame +1's?
QuoteYou know who else has nothing to say in this conversation? HITLER!QuoteHello. I have nothing to say in this conversation.QuoteTrue. Do peanut butter cups count as pie?QuoteWhat about pie?QuoteI disagree.QuoteNo, plain is better!QuoteCrunchy.QuoteReally? What kind?QuoteI like peanut butter!Quote+1.QuotePretty good.QuoteHow are you?QuoteHello.Hello.
You are insane and I refuse to participate in the quote pyramid.Too late!
Glory to the pyramid!QuoteQuote pyramid established, sir!QuoteYou know who else has nothing to say in this conversation? HITLER!QuoteHello. I have nothing to say in this conversation.QuoteTrue. Do peanut butter cups count as pie?QuoteWhat about pie?QuoteI disagree.QuoteNo, plain is better!QuoteCrunchy.QuoteReally? What kind?QuoteI like peanut butter!Quote+1.QuotePretty good.QuoteHow are you?QuoteHello.Hello.
Hohoho.At least he didn't edit me into the pyramid.You are insane and I refuse to participate in the quote pyramid.Too late!
Now I'm quoting the future!At least he didn't edit me into the pyramid.You are insane and I refuse to participate in the quote pyramid.Too late!
You people are insane.Of course.
You people are insane.
You people are insane.Hello there, we're Bay12! So pleased to meet you!
I thought we already were?Yup, we're nocturnal already.
To the surprise of nobody, this will be sigg'dYou people are insane.Hello there, we're Bay12! So pleased to meet you!
GUUUYS WE NEED MORE STUUUUUFFYou want MORE? You got MORE.
Let's grow larger and be better at walking and running (without losing the flight, of course)+1
1+GUUUYS WE NEED MORE STUUUUUFFYou want MORE? You got MORE.Let's grow larger and be better at walking and running (without losing the flight, of course)+1
Evolve communal webbing behavior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_web#Communal_spider_webs) sealing off portions of the forest with thick domes in which we hunt all other predators to extinction and take only small portions of the herbivore populations.
+1 to the communal webbing.Agreed. +1
+1+1 to the communal webbing.Agreed. +1
Let's grow larger and be better at walking and running (without losing the flight, of course)What's the point of walking or running when you can fly?
alternative, less energy-consumptive means of travel? There may be some times where flight is not better than running, especially if we get bigger.
I was answering to Urist McDwarfFortress above.alternative, less energy-consumptive means of travel? There may be some times where flight is not better than running, especially if we get bigger.
Develop hydrogen sacs that allow us to float like balloons?
I was answering to Urist McDwarfFortress above.alternative, less energy-consumptive means of travel? There may be some times where flight is not better than running, especially if we get bigger.
Develop hydrogen sacs that allow us to float like balloons?
+1+1 to the communal webbing.Agreed. +1
I'd say we do something to futureproof ourselves from the world around us drying out, but I have no idea what.Reduce water intake needs, say by turning nitrogenous wastes into uric acid or something?
Gain light producing enzymes in clusters above the eyes so we can produce light to see by from in dark places.1) We have no eyes
Gain light producing enzymes in clusters above the eyes so we can produce light to see by from in dark places.1) We have no eyes
2) We can see in the dark very well, thank you very much
3) It's wonderfully ineffective and counter productive.
But thanks for caring ^^
Gripping Tentacles +1This, and improve our toxins. It's always worthwhile to be more poisonous.
Nocturnal +1
Improved Senses +1
Eyes -1
+1 to all of dis.Gripping Tentacles +1This, and improve our toxins. It's always worthwhile to be more poisonous.
Nocturnal +1
Improved Senses +1
Eyes -1
Gripping tentacles +1
Uric acid +1
+1ing this as well.QuoteGripping tentacles +1Larger wings and more efficient wing musculature; So we can hunt more easily over the plains (ocean even) where there are no trees to soak up sound waves.
Uric acid +1
Further develop sense of hearing; We are getting beat by the lesser sighted beasts, dammit. Where is out ability to snipe prey from the other side of the forest if they so much as breath?
Develop pack hunting further so we can take on bigger prey.
Hey, reckon -if we get smart enough- we could rope those seed-balloon things together, use our back fins as engines and make little biological zeppelins? Wouldn't it do wonders for our range. We could cross the oceans!
VOTES-+1 to EVERYTHING (except eyes)
Gripping tentacles x8
Improved senses x6
Uric acid x6
Poison traps in nest x2
Nocturnal x4
Eyes x-2
Better insulation/infrared-proofing x2
Toxins x3
Large efficient wings x3
Better hearing x3
Better pack hunting x3
Yep. +1 to all except eyes.VOTES-+1 to EVERYTHING (except eyes)
Gripping tentacles x8
Improved senses x6
Uric acid x6
Poison traps in nest x2
Nocturnal x4
Eyes x-2
Better insulation/infrared-proofing x2
Toxins x3
Large efficient wings x3
Better hearing x3
Better pack hunting x3
Hey, reckon -if we get smart enough- we could rope those seed-balloon things together, use our back fins as engines and make little biological zeppelins? Wouldn't it do wonders for our range. We could cross the oceans!Because clearly it is a very safe method of travel, having a combustible ball on your back.
-1
+1 improve toxins, and sure, why notHave my +1 to this.
+1 toxin traps in our nests
Well, last time we lived next to a forest of those they all went Michael Bay and sh!t hit the fan short after.They are being dispersed anyway. So what we do would not have much of an effect on stalling their spread regardless. Also, there were several orders of magnitude more balloons back then than there currently are, no?
Develop light-emitting glands/organs on the sides that can flash bright patterns of light to disorient sight-based predators.Light the forest up like a rave, then hope the Sightmaces are prone to epilepsy?
Gain the problem-solving and dextrous abilities required to make tools.We already have tentacles, gripping claws and language, why the hell not? +1
Also, think up some kind of derogatory name to call the sighted ones.
Develop light-emitting glands/organs on the sides that can flash bright patterns of light to disorient sight-based predators.
Gain the problem-solving and dextrous abilities required to make tools.And this. +1
Yep +1Also, think up some kind of derogatory name to call the sighted ones.
Eyediots.
Iunno.Develop light-emitting glands/organs on the sides that can flash bright patterns of light to disorient sight-based predators.
Why not? +1Gain the problem-solving and dextrous abilities required to make tools.And this. +1
Develop light-emitting glands/organs on the sides that can flash bright patterns of light to disorient sight-based predators.
Gain the problem-solving and dextrous abilities required to make tools.
Think defence mechanism to blind a creature hunting us. NOT on all the time. Ever worn night vision goggles and been exposed to bright light suddenly? It'd be like that.Develop light-emitting glands/organs on the sides that can flash bright patterns of light to disorient sight-based predators.
So, light ourselves up in the dark so we can be seen even more easily? -1.
+1 to tool useThis and -1 to unnecessary flashiness. Not only does it conflict with domesticating the eyediots, it would take tremendous amounts of energy to significantly impede their vision.
+1 to blinding venom
+1 to venom pepper spray
+1 to domesticate our lesser kin
Why not symbiotize the sightmace?I had a pretty long response to this, but I lost the post, frustratingly enough.
VOTES-+1
Blinding venom x1
Domesticate sightmace x1
Venomy pepper-spray x1
VOTES-
Tool use x5 +1
Blinding venom x1 +1
Light x2 -1
Domesticate sightmace x1 +1
Venomy pepper-spray x1 +1
VOTES-
Tool use x5 +1
Blinding venom x1 +1
Light x2 -1
Domesticate sightmace x1 +1
Venomy pepper-spray x1 +1
Mrowl.
And that's a problem how?
And that's a problem how?
That's the best part - it isn't.
I love dem 'nids!
They're like the Zerg, only better. :P
Okay, nearly off of my buttocks. I had job day today so I am now going 'GLURRRRG' and not doing anything constructive.Ah, that sucks.
WHOO! KEEP GOING!
Stronger+1
Faster
Better Dexterity
Whoops. Guess I only noticed the second time I made that typo.Stronger+1
Faster
Better Dexterity
I also propose a full-scale-war on the Sophont Sightmace!
They are the only real threat left. If we are able to beat them, we will rule this world. Then we can either start anew, or whatever the most people want. Or Eotyrannus, for that matter. :P
+1Stronger+1
Faster
Better Dexterity
I also propose a full-scale-war on the Sophont Sightmace!
They are the only real threat left. If we are able to beat them, we will rule this world. Then we can either start anew, or whatever the most people want. Or Eotyrannus, for that matter. :P
WHOO! KEEP GOING!
Just so ya know, guys, we're basically at the point where (unless you manage to find a specific way to do it) improving speed is counter to improving strength. We haven't really had any problems like these before, since we've always been at a point where the votes are something we can improve.So if the vote passes we will be stronger or faster, but not both?
I think that would be interesting. I would probably host that game.
Well, I figure I'll hold off until we all agree to stop evolving.I think that would be interesting. I would probably host that game.
Do it!
If we're playing Spore, we're playing it all the way to the end!
We can't just stop at the end of the creature stage like that.
Alright, then. Might I perform a timeskip to spread us a bit more throughout the surrounding lands, so that we can have a distinct culture?
We hve a little bit. Our teath are smaller, our brains more compact (I think more tightly folded, not less mass) and we have evolved lactose tolorence.
Humans didn't change that much since the dawn of civilization, to the best of my knowledge.
Oooh, I likey. This one's continued evolution might not be included in Cultural Evolution due to the timescales involved, but yeah, a game universe thing sounds great! Ask if you need the world fleshing out, so I can create a bunch of fauna for it. Flora is mostly just purple ground plants and green sky balloons, with algae and pond plants of either colour (plus red and brown).This sounds prettty good. I can come up with any flora and fauna needed, but it would be helpful if you listed anything that needs to be around, so I don't mess up the continuity.
Since we're letting that lot do more stuff with the nightmace, anyone got an opinion on what us lot should do? My thoughts are:
-New planet. Not very connected to this one, but they could potentially meet up in the far future with us.
-A little generalistic species on this planet. We'll know what's around, but it would involve 'locking' the future of theirs into our evolution, which would either result in their destruction being assured or technological singularity being assured.
We still have some physical evolving to do. Our primary assets are our intelligence, our extruded substances, and our ability to exploit (whether symbiotically or parasitically) other species and other members of our own. I say we improve on their potential, before we shift our evolution to mainly social, cultural, and technological modes.I agree with these ideas.
Extend maximum lifespan. We no longer benefit from short generations if we don't mutate much. Longer individual lives may allow for living archives of memory, and produce experts in given tasks due to long periods of focus, helping with specialization and training through apprenticeships.
Introduce (mild) tendency toward insanity. We mustn't become stagnant. A few individuals each generation that ignore the rules and do things their own way can be sources of surprise innovation. We need our Nikola Teslas and other mad geniuses. Essentially I'm suggesting we build in a way for the GM to give us boosts and new stuff via random chance, not simply near-extinction events.
Improve memory. All our advances and experiences mean nothing if we can't keep track and have to keep re-discovering them.
Improve electrosense range, precision and emission. We don't have magic, but we can have radio-telepathy, albeit maybe not in that particular section of the electromagnetic spectrum. This can also be useful to control newly developed/encountered creatures via implants, when we get that far with our technology.
Gain ability to refine and incorporate non-food ingested materials into our webbing and venom. We're almost certainly going to have medicine and materials science. Being able to use our own bodies to produce some of it will give us an edge.
Gain ability to incorporate viral DNA into our own genetic structure. Continuing our fine heritage of using or absorbing every useful non-us thing that comes along. No, I'm not talking Resident Evil, though that'll be amusing when it inevitably happens. I mean more along these lines (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/02/14/mammals-made-by-viruses/#.Ugp5TLxx0xA).
I vote for a nonterran situation. Alternate scenario, ...What about a tidally-locked super-earth, 3 times larger than our own, with a xenon-containing atmosphere?
Like a very low gravity moon, or something else.
Blue star
0.5 G gravity
Moon of a gas Gaint
Tidal locked
Several active stars in 1-3 light years radius
Blue star+1
0.5 G gravity
Moon of a gas Gaint
Tidal locked
Several active stars in 1-3 light years radius
Blue star+1
0.5 G gravity
Moon of a gas Gaint
Tidal locked
Several active stars in 1-3 light years radius
High atmospheric pressure
+1Blue star+1
0.5 G gravity
Moon of a gas Gaint
Tidal locked
Several active stars in 1-3 light years radius
High atmospheric pressure
+1
Blue star-1 Blue stars go boom. Like, fast enough that we wont get land.
+1
Moon of a gas Gaint
Tidal locked
That's hard to do with low G unless you get insainly cold. With a low gravity and a tolorable tempature you are likly to get a dry world with a thin atmosphere.
High atmospheric pressure
Not really. It's just not that stable.High atmospheric pressureThat's hard to do with low G unless you get insainly cold. With a low gravity and a tolorable tempature you are likly to get a dry world with a thin atmosphere.
+1+1Blue star+1
0.5 G gravity
Moon of a gas Gaint
Tidal locked
Several active stars in 1-3 light years radius
High atmospheric pressure
+1
Blue star+1
0.5 G gravity
Moon of a gas Gaint
Tidal locked
Several active stars in 1-3 light years radius
Ya want harshness?+1
no star
Let's go even more hardcore.that's pretty much what I was saying. No star <=> rogue planet. We can be a moon around a rogue gas giant though, all the !!FUN!! of rogueing with enough excuses to have an inhabitable planetoid, and other planetoids around for added fun (?).
Rogue planet
Ya want harshness?+1
no star
Pansy.Ya want harshness?+1
no star
-1, I want my 1st one to have a decent chance
That sucks demon balls.
Do you know what the habitable zone is?, Well its gonna make the GM's life harder if we are not in itNot as bad as when there's no habitable zone.
Habitable zone is an arbitrary and meaningless term. Life can exist anywhere, whether it be in the classical sense or not. How about on a gas giant?
Indeed.Habitable zone is an arbitrary and meaningless term. Life can exist anywhere, whether it be in the classical sense or not. How about on a gas giant?
There are theories of life supposedly existing in the upper parts of Venus' atmosphere, so why not.
Life beginning in the water is overrated.
Also, the gas giant needs to be rogue. (ie. without an associated star system)
Would make for at least a nifty environment.
I remain on gas giant moon, no star, low grav and dense atmosphere. Which are not contradictory, at least in the short term. Favouring low grav over dense atmos in case it matters.
NO star might sound cool, but honestly it just means that we're playing on a Europa like planet. No atmos, just an artic ocean and lots of ice.Hmm?
I kinda like a star. I'd like at least a small star. Red dwarf or something.
NO star might sound cool, but honestly it just means that we're playing on a Europa like planet. No atmos, just an artic ocean and lots of ice.
Radiation path sound is good for me. Does that mean we'll get more mutations?Damaged DNA =/= Faster evolution
DisregardPerhaps we could make a migration?wenchesmoons, acquire gas giants.
DisregardPerhaps we could make a migration?wenchesmoons, acquire gas giants.
Yep.DisregardPerhaps we could make a migration?wenchesmoons, acquire gas giants.
Through space and a large radiation belt. Right.
Yep.DisregardPerhaps we could make a migration?wenchesmoons, acquire gas giants.
Through space and a large radiation belt. Right.
-1 to no star
Actually, all we need to do is escape the gravity well on the radioactive side, catapaulting ourselves towards the gas giant. We can probably accomplish this with some sort of chemical reaction, and use some sort of host to protect us from the vacuum.Yep.DisregardPerhaps we could make a migration?wenchesmoons, acquire gas giants.
Through space and a large radiation belt. Right.
There are multiple problems with this theory, most notably the fact that space wings and jets do not work. And farting our way through a radiation belt sounds extremely unlikely.
The GM continues arguing!Actually, all we need to do is escape the gravity well on the radioactive side, catapaulting ourselves towards the gas giant. We can probably accomplish this with some sort of chemical reaction, and use some sort of host to protect us from the vacuum.Yep.DisregardPerhaps we could make a migration?wenchesmoons, acquire gas giants.
Through space and a large radiation belt. Right.
There are multiple problems with this theory, most notably the fact that space wings and jets do not work. And farting our way through a radiation belt sounds extremely unlikely.
The parasitic space worm strikes the GM in the logic!The GM continues arguing!Actually, all we need to do is escape the gravity well on the radioactive side, catapaulting ourselves towards the gas giant. We can probably accomplish this with some sort of chemical reaction, and use some sort of host to protect us from the vacuum.Yep.DisregardPerhaps we could make a migration?wenchesmoons, acquire gas giants.
Through space and a large radiation belt. Right.
There are multiple problems with this theory, most notably the fact that space wings and jets do not work. And farting our way through a radiation belt sounds extremely unlikely.
The parasitic space worm strikes the GM in the logic!The GM continues arguing!Actually, all we need to do is escape the gravity well on the radioactive side, catapaulting ourselves towards the gas giant. We can probably accomplish this with some sort of chemical reaction, and use some sort of host to protect us from the vacuum.Yep.DisregardPerhaps we could make a migration?wenchesmoons, acquire gas giants.
Through space and a large radiation belt. Right.
There are multiple problems with this theory, most notably the fact that space wings and jets do not work. And farting our way through a radiation belt sounds extremely unlikely.
Therefore, we'd probably be submerged in mud permanently until we get a radiation-proof shell or something.A subterranean start would mean we are safer from the radiation, right? I suck at physics, so...
Moon of a gas giant x7You know, these two could probably be combined...
NO, WE ARE GAS GIANT x2
Idem.
-1 to no star
Reject.Moon of a gas giant x7You know, these two could probably be combined...
NO, WE ARE GAS GIANT x2
How about a moon with an extremely dense gas-y atmosphere? Else, I really do not know why we are arguing about such a topic ;/Gas giant moon of a gas giant. That fits perfectly!
(Except this being bay12, true enough)
But basically, "moon of a gas giant" +1
Well, I can't really think of any way to get floating ground or divided planets, so the one I made earlier seems to be the one we're using. BEGIN THE EDITS OF IT/THE +1S.I'm fairly sure there's no majority for the no star start. The rogue planet crowd just likes to shout in all caps, and posts constantly.
If you wish to switch vote, simply say you're switching, and then -1 and +1 to equalise the score.
Point is, there's no logical way for it to work, because well, it can't.
Any forces(gravitational, magnetic, rotational) capable of moving that massive amount of atmosphere would easily shatter the planet itself, and destroy it utterly.Well, I can't really think of any way to get floating ground or divided planets, so the one I made earlier seems to be the one we're using. BEGIN THE EDITS OF IT/THE +1S.I'm fairly sure there's no majority for the no star start. The rogue planet crowd just likes to shout in all caps, and posts constantly.
If you wish to switch vote, simply say you're switching, and then -1 and +1 to equalise the score.
Why does everyone have to be boring and go for a normal star? Rogue planet has so much more potential.
Indeed. I say we go for a very harsh planet, such that life will be forced to adapt in interesting ways.Why does everyone have to be boring and go for a normal star? Rogue planet has so much more potential.
I support this man. (technically I was the one that came up with the idea of a rogue planet, although after a star-less system was mentioned)
Seriously though, why go for a normal star?
It's BORING.
The -2 was counted up as well. And blue stars, as said previously, would result in us exploding spectacularly after a few generations.Depends, it might also turn into a Wolf Rayet star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf%E2%80%93Rayet_star#Evolution_models), which would be interesting.
From what I can tell, they still need some sort of explosion to turn into those stars, which would still destroy any planets in orbit.The -2 was counted up as well. And blue stars, as said previously, would result in us exploding spectacularly after a few generations.Depends, it might also turn into a Wolf Rayet star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf%E2%80%93Rayet_star#Evolution_models), which would be interesting.
Unless the planet was captured after the explosion.From what I can tell, they still need some sort of explosion to turn into those stars, which would still destroy any planets in orbit.The -2 was counted up as well. And blue stars, as said previously, would result in us exploding spectacularly after a few generations.Depends, it might also turn into a Wolf Rayet star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf%E2%80%93Rayet_star#Evolution_models), which would be interesting.
Not really, depends on it's orbiting distance. (Which, for a star this massive would be pretty far out.). Yes, the planet would be scorched, but it wouldn't be much worse than the gamma ray burst we had last game.From what I can tell, they still need some sort of explosion to turn into those stars, which would still destroy any planets in orbit.The -2 was counted up as well. And blue stars, as said previously, would result in us exploding spectacularly after a few generations.Depends, it might also turn into a Wolf Rayet star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf%E2%80%93Rayet_star#Evolution_models), which would be interesting.
Indeed. I say we go for a very harsh planet, such that life will be forced to adapt in interesting ways.
I don't really know enough about these stars to use them properly, to be honest. For all I know, the collected matter from the nebula would turn us into a brown dwarf star or something.Unless the planet was captured after the explosion.From what I can tell, they still need some sort of explosion to turn into those stars, which would still destroy any planets in orbit.The -2 was counted up as well. And blue stars, as said previously, would result in us exploding spectacularly after a few generations.Depends, it might also turn into a Wolf Rayet star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf%E2%80%93Rayet_star#Evolution_models), which would be interesting.
Alright, we're doing some serious brainstorming here, which I like, but it makes me think...
To what extents will the planet (especially those more exotic ones) conditions actually affect our evolutionary track? In the beginning at least?
Alright, we're doing some serious brainstorming here, which I like, but it makes me think...The rogue planet means that surface temperatures would be artic at best, eliminates day/night cycles, and some other things. We'll be reliant on geothermal. Having a volatile star would be especially interesting. Periodic burst of radiation would make the surface somewhat hazardous, but not unlivable. The aurorae would be spectacular, and some other stuff.
To what extents will the planet (especially those more exotic ones) conditions actually affect our evolutionary track? In the beginning at least?
High atmospheric pressure would have significant effects on flying creatures too. It means that they can get a lot larger, but are quite slow. Low gravity + high atmospheric pressure should also have interesting effects on the waves.Alright, we're doing some serious brainstorming here, which I like, but it makes me think...Depends. Gravity and atmosphere will only really affect land animals, radiation will need some sort of protection before we can leave the water, and so on.
To what extents will the planet (especially those more exotic ones) conditions actually affect our evolutionary track? In the beginning at least?
What about a post-garden world (A world which formerly held life which already went extinct. We could have ruined cities and such.))?Any remnants of civilization would not survive the time required for life forms to crawl back out of the seas. Unless we go archeological, and even then, it's highly unlikely we'll notice.
The rogue planet means that surface temperatures would be artic at best, eliminates day/night cycles, and some other things. We'll be reliant on geothermal. Having a volatile star would be especially interesting. Periodic burst of radiation would make the surface somewhat hazardous, but not unlivable. The aurorae would be spectacular, and some other stuff.
Actually, barring some special atmospherical circumstances ((Which are ruled out by our residential gas giant)), it does. Life will be perfectly possible, but it will be under the ice. Unless the core happens to contain a lot of nuclear materials. Like, ridiculous amounts.The rogue planet means that surface temperatures would be artic at best, eliminates day/night cycles, and some other things. We'll be reliant on geothermal. Having a volatile star would be especially interesting. Periodic burst of radiation would make the surface somewhat hazardous, but not unlivable. The aurorae would be spectacular, and some other stuff.As I said, just because a planet does not have a star it does NOT, by any means, mean that it's instantly Hoth all over the place.
And conventional day/night cycles are for pussies.
If we're near the galactic core, star density will mean eternal day, as in my planet example.Actually, barring some special atmospherical circumstances ((Which are ruled out by our residential gas giant)), it does. Life will be perfectly possible, but it will be under the ice. Unless the core happens to contain a lot of nuclear materials. Like, ridiculous amounts.The rogue planet means that surface temperatures would be artic at best, eliminates day/night cycles, and some other things. We'll be reliant on geothermal. Having a volatile star would be especially interesting. Periodic burst of radiation would make the surface somewhat hazardous, but not unlivable. The aurorae would be spectacular, and some other stuff.As I said, just because a planet does not have a star it does NOT, by any means, mean that it's instantly Hoth all over the place.
And conventional day/night cycles are for pussies.
The galactic center might be a cluster of quite a few(actually, quite a lot) rather bright stars, but I doubt it would be very bright, or warm. Especially considering these are mainly older and rather bright stars, which have emissions outside our visible spectrum.What visible spectrum? We haven't even evolved eyes.
Visible at Humans I assume he meant.The galactic center might be a cluster of quite a few(actually, quite a lot) rather bright stars, but I doubt it would be very bright, or warm. Especially considering these are mainly older and rather bright stars, which have emissions outside our visible spectrum.What visible spectrum? We haven't even evolved eyes.
My point is that the spectrum of light visible to humans means precisely nothing when determining whether it is day constantly on another planet.Visible at Humans I assume he meant.The galactic center might be a cluster of quite a few(actually, quite a lot) rather bright stars, but I doubt it would be very bright, or warm. Especially considering these are mainly older and rather bright stars, which have emissions outside our visible spectrum.What visible spectrum? We haven't even evolved eyes.
There's no such thing as constant day btw. Considering that day is the part of a planet's rotation in which it receives more light (spectrum of choice), and night when it receives less. Permanent day is hence entirely subjective. Might as well call it permanent night, or permanent noon.My point is that the spectrum of light visible to humans means precisely nothing when determining whether it is day constantly on another planet.Visible at Humans I assume he meant.The galactic center might be a cluster of quite a few(actually, quite a lot) rather bright stars, but I doubt it would be very bright, or warm. Especially considering these are mainly older and rather bright stars, which have emissions outside our visible spectrum.What visible spectrum? We haven't even evolved eyes.
If we don't decide anything, then I'mma just use OVERRIDING GM VOTE OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOM. Because I am equal to the power level of Dial's Liver.
If we don't decide anything, then I'mma just use OVERRIDING GM VOTE OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOM. Because I am equal to the power level of Dial's Liver.Is the GM VOTE OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM a harsh vote, or is the DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM just there for added effect?
Marketing: The strongest, undefeatable, evil in this world.If we don't decide anything, then I'mma just use OVERRIDING GM VOTE OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOM. Because I am equal to the power level of Dial's Liver.Is the GM VOTE OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM a harsh vote, or is the DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM just there for added effect?
It is the DOOOOOOOOOOOOM of your FREE WILL IN THE PROCESS OF PLANET CREATION! MUAHAHAHAHA!Marketing: The strongest, undefeatable, evil in this world.If we don't decide anything, then I'mma just use OVERRIDING GM VOTE OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOM. Because I am equal to the power level of Dial's Liver.Is the GM VOTE OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM a harsh vote, or is the DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM just there for added effect?
Also, gas pressure will automatically spread out, so you can hardly go from high pressure, to low pressure (high atmosphere), to high pressure.I think you actually could if you take gravity into account.
An amoeba inside some volcanic hot springs+1
more like a flat blob than an amoeba. Getting out of the unicellular stage generally takes ages...Right, right. This.
Since there haven't been any other sense-making planets, KAON IT IS. Suggest what you want to start out as!Wait, what is Kaon? Is it the one with no star?
It's the orbitless one, but there's enough stars so we won't freeze.Since there haven't been any other sense-making planets, KAON IT IS. Suggest what you want to start out as!Wait, what is Kaon? Is it the one with no star?
Aw. That's less of a challenge than an ice world.It's the orbitless one, but there's enough stars so we won't freeze.Since there haven't been any other sense-making planets, KAON IT IS. Suggest what you want to start out as!Wait, what is Kaon? Is it the one with no star?
Aw. That's less of a challenge than an ice world.It's the orbitless one, but there's enough stars so we won't freeze.Since there haven't been any other sense-making planets, KAON IT IS. Suggest what you want to start out as!Wait, what is Kaon? Is it the one with no star?
YAY!Aw. That's less of a challenge than an ice world.It's the orbitless one, but there's enough stars so we won't freeze.Since there haven't been any other sense-making planets, KAON IT IS. Suggest what you want to start out as!Wait, what is Kaon? Is it the one with no star?
Don't worry, one side is irradiated by the gas giant!
Develop Mitochondria
+1Develop Mitochondria
Evolve A way to eat the chemicals from the vent in A better way+1+1Develop Mitochondria
Evolve A way to eat the chemicals from the vent in A better way+1+1Develop Mitochondria
I'm betting my jar of candy that we already have that.+1+1+1Develop Mitochondria
I am stuck between lying and obtaining candy right now...I'm betting my jar of candy that we already have that.+1+1+1Develop Mitochondria
Shall we impose any limitations on ourselves this time?... how about not being a predator of multi-celled lifeforms? As in, being a herbivore :3
+1 toI am stuck between lying and obtaining candy right now...I'm betting my jar of candy that we already have that.+1+1+1Develop Mitochondria
Quote pyramid ahoy! Also, plus 1 from em as wellShall we impose any limitations on ourselves this time?... how about not being a predator of multi-celled lifeforms? As in, being a herbivore :3+1 toI am stuck between lying and obtaining candy right now...I'm betting my jar of candy that we already have that.+1+1+1Develop Mitochondriaobtaining candymitochondria
Plants are multicelled too.Shall we impose any limitations on ourselves this time?... how about not being a predator of multi-celled lifeforms? As in, being a herbivore :3
>< My bad, I meant animals. And I made my point by writing herbivore. But yeah, not like bay12 to let such mistakes slide :"IPlants are multicelled too.Shall we impose any limitations on ourselves this time?... how about not being a predator of multi-celled lifeforms? As in, being a herbivore :3
Obviously we're going to need a very tiny mouth.Plants are multicelled too.Shall we impose any limitations on ourselves this time?... how about not being a predator of multi-celled lifeforms? As in, being a herbivore :3
Or a very big one. Some plankton is single celled.Obviously we're going to need a very tiny mouth.Plants are multicelled too.Shall we impose any limitations on ourselves this time?... how about not being a predator of multi-celled lifeforms? As in, being a herbivore :3
Well, yeah, if the objective was to eat single celled organisms. If the objective is to avoid eating multi-celled ones...Or a very big one. Some plankton is single celled.Obviously we're going to need a very tiny mouth.Plants are multicelled too.Shall we impose any limitations on ourselves this time?... how about not being a predator of multi-celled lifeforms? As in, being a herbivore :3
VOTES:+1 to all.
Develop chemosynthesis x1
Gain shell x1
Grow larger x1
We're multicellular ourselves, I just didn't want to call it a blob this time.
VOTES:+1 to all.
Develop chemosynthesis x1
Gain shell x1
Grow larger x1
We're multicellular ourselves, I just didn't want to call it a blob this time.
VOTES:
Develop chemosynthesis x1
Gain shell x1
Grow larger x1
We're multicellular ourselves, I just didn't want to call it a blob this time.
Radioactivity.The problem with radiation is that there is only 'hide' or 'get DNA torn to shreds'. And we can't really hide if it's inside of us.
Nobody will come near us if we emit constant radiation.
We could not have a genetic code highly vulnerable to deadly radiation.Radioactivity.The problem with radiation is that there is only 'hide' or 'get DNA torn to shreds'. And we can't really hide if it's inside of us.
Nobody will come near us if we emit constant radiation.
The problem with that is that DNA tends to be vulnerable to deadly radiation no matter how it is. If you want to protect yourself with radiation, go to the irradiated side of the geysers.We could not have a genetic code highly vulnerable to deadly radiation.Radioactivity.The problem with radiation is that there is only 'hide' or 'get DNA torn to shreds'. And we can't really hide if it's inside of us.
Nobody will come near us if we emit constant radiation.
Why do we have to use DNA?The problem with that is that DNA tends to be vulnerable to deadly radiation no matter how it is. If you want to protect yourself with radiation, go to the irradiated side of the geysers.We could not have a genetic code highly vulnerable to deadly radiation.Radioactivity.The problem with radiation is that there is only 'hide' or 'get DNA torn to shreds'. And we can't really hide if it's inside of us.
Nobody will come near us if we emit constant radiation.
Also, even if we could manage it it would probably result in high levels of stability.The problem with that is that DNA tends to be vulnerable to deadly radiation no matter how it is. If you want to protect yourself with radiation, go to the irradiated side of the geysers.We could not have a genetic code highly vulnerable to deadly radiation.Radioactivity.The problem with radiation is that there is only 'hide' or 'get DNA torn to shreds'. And we can't really hide if it's inside of us.
Nobody will come near us if we emit constant radiation.
Because we're DNA-based organisms. We could switch a few chemicals around, maybe use arsenic for that, but there's no known radiation-proof genetic code in nature.Why do we have to use DNA?The problem with that is that DNA tends to be vulnerable to deadly radiation no matter how it is. If you want to protect yourself with radiation, go to the irradiated side of the geysers.We could not have a genetic code highly vulnerable to deadly radiation.Radioactivity.The problem with radiation is that there is only 'hide' or 'get DNA torn to shreds'. And we can't really hide if it's inside of us.
Nobody will come near us if we emit constant radiation.
Nerves and muscle x1+1 to everything there
Pseudopods x2
MOAR FRILLS x1
Frilled appendages x1
+1Nerves and muscle x1+1 to everything there
Pseudopods x2
MOAR FRILLS x1
Frilled appendages x1
+1.+1Nerves and muscle x1+1 to everything there
Pseudopods x2
MOAR FRILLS x1
Frilled appendages x1
We already are multicelled, right? Then we should try to develop an exoskeleton (not a shell, but sort of like an external spine). With 5th-order rotational symmetry, remember?
+1Nerves and muscle x1+1 to everything there
Pseudopods x2
MOAR FRILLS x1
Frilled appendages x1
We already are multicelled, right? Then we should try to develop an exoskeleton (not a shell, but sort of like an external spine). With 5th-order rotational symmetry, remember?
+1Nerves and muscle x1+1 to everything there
Pseudopods x2
MOAR FRILLS x1
Frilled appendages x1
We already are multicelled, right? Then we should try to develop an exoskeleton (not a shell, but sort of like an external spine). With 5th-order rotational symmetry, remember?
+1 (no maths this time)
trimming the pyramid+1Nerves and muscle x1+1 to everything there
Pseudopods x2
MOAR FRILLS x1
Frilled appendages x1
We already are multicelled, right? Then we should try to develop an exoskeleton (not a shell, but sort of like an external spine). With 5th-order rotational symmetry, remember?
Not quite radiation proof but darn close. Conan the Bacterium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinococcus_radiodurans) is nearly indestructible. We don't know why, it could be an anti-desiccation adaptation or a total over reaction to background radiation, but they can shrug off 1,000 times the lethal dose of radiation.Because we're DNA-based organisms. We could switch a few chemicals around, maybe use arsenic for that, but there's no known radiation-proof genetic code in nature.Why do we have to use DNA?The problem with that is that DNA tends to be vulnerable to deadly radiation no matter how it is. If you want to protect yourself with radiation, go to the irradiated side of the geysers.We could not have a genetic code highly vulnerable to deadly radiation.Radioactivity.The problem with radiation is that there is only 'hide' or 'get DNA torn to shreds'. And we can't really hide if it's inside of us.
Nobody will come near us if we emit constant radiation.
Bump?This has been dead for months. Where do you guys even find these threads?
Searches for thing like evolution.Bump?This has been dead for months. Where do you guys even find these threads?
Perhaps you could do the vote-based one and I could do a team-based one?Reserving a spot on the team based one. Need sleep now.
Perhaps you could do the vote-based one and I could do a team-based one?Team evolution! Yesssss
damn, thought this was alive for a second :-\So did everyone else.