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Title: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Darvi on July 12, 2011, 03:55:39 pm

Welcome to Beginner's Mafia XXV!

"Indeed, and now he's here to f**k us! So listen up boy, or pornography starring your mother will be the second worst thing that happens to you today.
Zis Spy has already breached our defenses... You've seen what he's done to our colleagues!
And worst of all, he could be any one of us... He could be in this very room!
He could be you! He could be me! He could even be-"

"What? It was obvious! He's the RED Spy! Watch, he'll turn red any second now..."
"Any second now... See? Red! Oh, wait...that's blood."
"So, we still got problem..."
"Big problem... alright, who's ready to go find this Spy?"

"Right behind you."

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Introduction

This version of the game is aimed specifically at players who are new to Mafia, or are still relatively inexperienced. Here, it's more about having fun and learning than anything else, so don't give up hope if you find yourself in a bad position!
This Beginners' Mafia will feature playing ICs. This means that two more experienced people will join in the game to help you guys out and will actually be playing in the game. They can also be scum too, so always stay suspicious!
The ICs will never lie to you about the game mechanics though, and will usually have a special IC voice to use when they want to teach you guys, since their goal will be to get you guys ready for a real Mafia game. Just because they're playing doesn't mean you can't learn!

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Gameplay and Concept

In Mafia, you are divided into two parts: 7 Town players and 2 Mafia players:

If you are Town, your goal is to lynch the Mafia. You do this by convincing others that one of the group is scum, and getting enough votes on them to lynch them.  The Town does not know who else is Town.

If you are Mafia, your goal is to kill off the Town until there is an equal number of them to you by getting them to lynch other Town or by killing them. You are given a kill each Night to kill any player in the game.  All the Mafia members know each other, and can communicate privately.

Each Day, everyone votes to lynch a player.  Vote for a player by posting their name in red.  You may change your vote at any time, remove your vote, or vote for No Lynch. Whoever has the most votes at the end of the day gets lynched, even if there is no majority. (Example: Nobody votes except for one guy, who votes Generic_Steve. Generic_Steve would get lynched). If you have a great deal of suspicion for someone, but don't want to vote for them just yet, point their name out in blue.

The Day will not end prematurely unless people vote to shorten the day. That is, there is no "hammer" in Beginner's Mafia, where X amount of votes (more than 50%) on a single person immediately ends the day with a lynch on that person. Some games do that, but not this one, and you would be explicitly informed in the rules if the hammer is active.

If there are tied votes for who gets lynched at the end of the day, the day ends in a no-lynch. (Two people vote for Generic_Steve, two people vote for Unassuming_Mary. Nobody gets lynched.) 

Each Night, you send in your actions. The cycle continues until one side wins. Days are 72 hours and nights are 24 hours. Weekends count for zero hours.

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Rules and Guidelines

• You may not PM other players other than the mod. The mafia will have a place to talk to themselves.
• Never edit your posts, even to fix typos!  If you make a mistake, just double post- it's permitted here. Violation of this rule can lead to deadly repercussions.  I recommend using the preview button every time you post.
• Never quote your role PM or any other PM sent to you by the mod.
• If you need more time to discuss, you may ask for an extension.  If more players ask for one than those who decline one, the day will be extended by 48 hours.
• • There are no limit to the number of extensions allowed per day.
• Please don't forget about this game if you sign up! If you cannot continue playing, please ask for a replacement! I will prod you via PM if you do not post in 48 hours to remind you that this game exists!
• • Note that a Mafia game usually takes a long time to finish: two weeks at least, and sometimes even longer than a month. Be ready for this.
  • Upon receiving your second prod, you are forcibly replaced (Another player takes your place) or modkilled (removed from the game) for inactivity. Beware.
• Upon being killed, you are entitled to one "Bah!" post, but you are not allowed to post any game-related content. After your Bah post, you MUST NOT POST AGAIN unless you somehow come back to life (impossible in this setup) or replace back in (you must have been town to do this). Failure to comply with this rule can lead to a bad reputation amongst mods, and difficulty in joining other games.
• Never underestimate your importance, and always play to win!

In this setup, there are the possibility of extra roles. These roles are Cop and Doctor for Town, and Roleblocker and Godfather for Mafia.

• A Cop inspects any player at Night. They are told that player's alignment, but not their role.
• A Doctor may protect any player at Night. This stops that player from being killed.
• A Roleblocker stops an extra role from using an action. This stops Doctors and Cops but does nothing for Townies.
• • Roleblockers do not actually discover if their attempts were successful or not; that would be too powerful because the roleblocker would know they found a town power role. It isn't an investigative role (the same goes for the Doctor)! The Mafia needs to find the town power roles the old-fashioned way: analyzing behavior and voting patterns.
  • Townies do not receive a message if they were blocked by a Mafia Roleblocker. Only a Cop or a Doctor will receive a message.
• A Godfather, if investigated by a Cop, looks just like a normal Townie.

There is a 50% chance for any of these roles to show up. It is possible to end up with no extra roles.

Extensions require support from at least one of the players.  You may oppose extensions as well, which cancels out an extension request.  For example, if there were five players, with two requesting and two opposing, there would be no extension.  (2-2 = 0 of 5)

Along with opposing extensions, there is also the option to Shorten/End the Day. They work differently from extensions, 33% required to pass with no objections. Shortening the Day ends the Day makes the day end as quickly as I can process it. Due to the nature of these requests, they also act just like Counter-Extensions.

Please bold requests/opposition to extensions, and Mod/my name if you want to ask me a question in-thread.  (IE: Mod: I have a question!)

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Attendance Sheet

Players:
-freeformschooler
-anzki4
-kilakan
-Max White
-Flintus10
-Meanmelter
-Deadmeat1471
Playing ICs:
-Vector
-IronyOwl
Scum IC:
-webadict

Player Replacement Queue:
-noah22223

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Frequently Asked Questions

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

• Oh my god this game seems fun. But wait, what are the rules?
  This (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.0) is a good Mafia tutorial, brought to you by the wise JoshuaFH. Heed his words. It isn't included here because it's rather too long for that.
• People are accusing me of being scum! I'm about to get lynched! What do I do?
  The first and most important order of business is not to give up.
  One, two votes isn't much. Even if someone's got a bandwagon on you and people are writing walls of accusations, do not lose hope. You can still turn this around, no matter how bleak it appears. Fight them with your own arguments, and search for people you may think are scum, and try to turn the votes against them. About the worst thing you can do is give up, whether you are town or scum; you are harming the town by making it lose another member, distracting them from hunts for the true scum, and worsening your own game as well.
  The other players have nothing against you: it's just how the game goes. Even if you foul it up and people yell at you for it, once the game is over we're all friends.
  There are still people who give up, saying things like "You'll all be sorry when you find out I'm just town afterwards!" and "I'm not even going to try, there no way to stop this". Don't be that guy. Not only is it rather selfish, it will simply deepen your grave. You have to get out of it with real, meat-laden arguments, and these empty threats and remarks will only make you appear more scummy.
• Do I have to post so much? I can't be bothered.
  Yes, you do. You have to be an active player to scumhunt effectively, and with a lurking playerbase you might as well just hand it to the scum. There is always something to say; even if someone said what you wanted to, say it anyways in your own words. Always ask questions, always observe.
  This is a very demanding game. If you don't have enough time, then perhaps you should look elsewhere.
• How do I even tell if someone's scum anyways?
  This is, in fact, a difficult question. The game involves a lot of observation, and often it's more about intuition.
  You can often tell with the help of the List of Common Scumtells, provided below, but don't make the mistake of overusing it. Not every accusal against you is an OMGUS, and not all attempts at logic are WIFOM.  If in doubt, always remember Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crap. Don't take anything for granted.
• What's all this wine stuff that players keep talking about? Does Mafia cause alcoholism?
  They are likely referring to the concept of WIFOM. It's a name for the kind of circular reasoning that you'd find when scrutinising scum motives, and is described in the CEAs (Commonly Encountered Abbreviations) and Other Terminology Commonly Found in Bay12 Mafia below. It goes like this:
  
  A: Why didn't our most active player get killed? It would be the scum's goal to kill the most active players to remove accusal, wouldn't it? The only conclusion is that [active player] is scum!
  
  B: Or is it? What if the scum wants to keep the most active player to draw suspicion on him? The scum could then head the attack on this player, thus pushing themselves into a position of trust amongst the town! I've got my eye on you, A!
  
  A: No, that isn't right! Clearly, they would stay in the background, and the people who go for the bait like me would be attacked by the scum, thus making themselves appear insightful! B, how dare you do this to me!
  
  B: Or perhaps the scum would be someone voting for a person that isn't the subject of a bandwagon, thus appearing both inconspicuous and independent! [lurker], you are scum!
  
  As you can see here, both A and B are making wild speculations on the motives of the scum. Their votes and eyes are all over the place, and nothing is really getting done. It distracts from real scumhunting, which is seeing people play and making observations from that, not speculating on how people would or would not play.

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Resources
Our own Bay12 Mafia tutorial (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.0)
The Notable Games archive. Read a famous game from start to finish! Learn some Mafia history. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=64229.0)
The Mafiascum wiki. Lots of theory, terminology, and game analysis. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page)
An Interactive Flash tutorial by one of the Mafiascum.net people. Helpful visualization! (http://cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mafiascum04.swf)

Spoiler: Dakarian's Scumhunting Bible, reposted here for your convenience (click to show/hide)

A VERY rough sketch of how a scumhunt is done (to help those who aren't sure now).
Step 1: When you have no suspicions on anyone, pick someone at random (I MEAN random.. some use Random.org for this!), take a glance as their past posts, and talk to them, usually with a vote.  The goal is not to kill but to learn more about them.  The vote is a "Pressure Vote", simply used to make sure they don't ignore you.

Step 2: When someone feels 'off' to you: perhaps you disliked their answer, or maybe they scare you, or confuse you with their text.  Perhaps they look fine but your feelings or your gut says something is wrong. Perhaps you see them do one scumtell.  Don't ignore it: make them your target.  Attack them.  Tell them what bothers you about them.  Push them, harass them.  Tell them how scummy they are.  Ask them every question in the book.. and I mean EVERYTHING:

Litia: "You bother me.  Vote Dakarian!"

Dak: Meh.  Why?

Litia: "Because you bother me.  Why are you pushing me off as if it doesn't matter?"

Dak: "What? No, you just have nothing on me."

Litia: "You're voting for Vector.  why?"

Dak: "He looked scummy.."

Litia: "Vagueness is a scumtell!  "Scummy.. how is he scummy!"

Dak: "He just is.. you don't have a reason to go after me either."

Litia: "OMGUSing now Mr.Scum?  Being defensive?  You also didn't answer my question!"


Note, this is Step 2: Litia doesn't feel like she knows Dakarian is scum.. just had a 'feeling'.  She has no hard evidence, nothing real.  The questions are to add pressure.. make Dakarian crack and panic.  If you did it right, they WILL town or scum.  WHEN they do, you will be able to see more of their true self.  From there, decide if you can find them as scum for truth.  If you don't: pull out and go to your next suspect: if no one else is there, go back to Step 1.

If you do believe they are scum after that, Step 3:


Step 3: When you believe someone is scum, gather evidence.  Find every scum tell, every sign of their true motives.  Pull more from them.  DON'T LET GO!  Even if the town ignores you or even votes for you because of it, DO IT ANYWAY!  Push, push, PUSH, ***PUSH*** until you have solid proof of what they are.

If you can't find enough to prove them and run out of things to say, check one more time to see if you still feel he's scum, then pull back, look at others (Step 2) but be ready to go back to them at any time.  If your convinced and ready to kill them, Step 4

Step 4: Final step.  It's time to convince the town.  Show what you have.  Push the target so they show more scumminess.  Attack, but do it only to demonstrate to the town what you KNOW is true.  You aren't trying to argue with the mafia anymore.. you are trying to show the town why you are right and Mr.Mafia MUST be lynched.  If you are at this point, only 3 things can happen:

1.  The scum is lynched.
2. You are given so much information that you become CONVINCED that the target is town. (no less than CONVINCED.. doubt, maybe, 'perhaps' won't due)
3. You are dead.



That's how a basic scumhunt is done.  One last note on doubt:

Doubt is something that's ok to have but UGLY to show.  If you doubt or have second thoughts, DON'T DISPLAY IT.  If you think "He looks passive but I don't know..."  you SAY "You scum!  Stop being passive!!!"  If you think "He may have a good reason to attack guy really." say "Give me your reasons and stop being vague."

Doubt is something for yourself.  When you have doubt, go back and see if your original ideas still hold up.  If they do or if you find yourself saying "I'm not sure" then go back to the attack until you are sure.  This ain't the USA: we play by Guilty until Proven Innocent here.  Unless you can get yourself to believe they may be honest, keep the attack.

So doubt is ok to have if used right.. but the town does NOT need to hear it.  If you doubt, accuse anyway as if you know.  If you wonder, accuse as if you know it.  If you know the answer, ASK ANYWAY and let THEM answer.  Make them convince you they are town: don't do the job for them.


And that's scumhunting in a nutshell.  Everyone, try to figure out what Step you are on and work accordingly.  Note that you should be almost done Step 1 by the end of Day 1 (though some may be higher by then).  If you aren't, keep random voting and consider an Extension.

If you don't know WHAT you are.. you're in Step 1.  Get to random voting.

Last note: 'Not voting' should only be done when you are doing a quick look over everyone's past.  Otherwise, your vote and your attention should always be on SOMEONE, even if it is at random.

It's best for a lynch to be for a reason reason.. but it's better for someone to be lynched randomly than for no lynch to occur at all.

Spoiler: CEAs (Commonly Encountered Abbreviations) and Other Terminology Commonly Found in Bay12 Mafia (click to show/hide)

Alignment - Who you share a victory condition with. Town-aligned, Scum-aligned, or third party alignments.

Bandwagon - Multiple votes on a single person. Can be justified, or unjustified. Unjustified bandwagons are scummy. Joining bandwagons blindly or without reason is also scummy.

BM - Beginner's Mafia (Or, Bastard Mod, a Mafia game with a purposefully unreliable moderator, or misleading information)

Bus - (noun: the bus ; verb: bussing, throwing him/her under the bus) When a mafia member attacks another one in order to make themselves look like a loyal townie when his or her scumpartner gets lynched.

Cult - A group of players that share a win condition, know each other, and can communicate freely. They are generally a second type of scum, although rarely they can be town-aligned. Instead of a kill, they can recruit players into the cult. There is generally a cult leader, who is in charge of recruiting.

FoS - Finger of Suspicion, writing someone's name in blue signifies a great deal of suspicion. It's kind of like a fake-vote, or the threat of a vote. Good for getting attention.

FTD - Failure to Deliver, also known as Toaster's #1 Scumtell. The act of promising to post more information at a later time, and then failing to do so. A very difficult action to justify as town, because it means you are either lazy or lying, it is therefore seen as a pretty solid scumtell.

IC - Inexperienced Challenged, players who are too experienced to justify playing in a Beginner's Mafia, and act as mentors/guides for the Town or the Scum.

Lurking - Purposefully not posting, so that you have few or no posts that can be analyzed. Generally a good strategy for scum. However, has the danger of earning you prods, getting modkilled, or found out via Zathras' Lurkertracker. Lurking is different than simply being away or unavailable. A good way to tell if someone is lurking is to check their profile's last active time, and compare it to their last post.

LYLO - Lynch or Lose, a situation where Town only outnumbers Scum by a single person (e.g. 3 town vs. 2 scum). During LYLO, Town MUST lynch Scum or instantly lose.

Masons - A group of town-aligned players who know each other to be town-aligned. They can communicate with each other freely.

MYLO - Mislynch and Lose, a situation where Town outnumbers Scum by two people (4 town vs. 2 scum). During MYLO, if Town lynches Town, Scum will win after night-killing town, making it 2 town vs. 2 scum, which is an instant scum win.

NL - No Lynch, to choose to end the day without lynching anyone and see if any information is revealed in the night.

OMGUS - Oh My God U Suck, a vote on someone else simply because they voted or attacked you

PFP - Posting From Phone (or Profession), throwing up a short post to prove you aren't lurking, when you are too busy at the time to make a more complete post.

PL - Policy Lynch, lynching someone for reasons other than scumminess. Variants are Lynch All Lurkers, Lynch All Liars, etc. Also see: Org.

PPE - Pre-Post Edit, typically done when you go to either Preview or Post and notice that someone else has posted before you. PPE is shorthand for acknowledging the "Warning - You may wish to review your post" message.

RIA - Refuge in Audacity, acting really crazy or really scummy to make people think that you couldn't possibly be scum because of how crazy you are. This never works. Neither does sarcasm in general, really. If you want to be sarcastic, make it painfully obvious you are being sarcastic, with <sarcasm>fake sarcasm tags</sarcasm>. Even still, it's not a good idea, because Mafia is SERIOUS BUSINESS

Role - Also called Power Role, any special powers you have. Cops, doctors, roleblockers, and godfathers are examples of classic roles. Some roles are alignment-specific, some aren't, and some can be for any alignment.

Rolefishing - Any question or attempt to learn information about someone's role. Typically something done at the beginning of the game. Typically a scum move, because it is in scum's advantage to find and lynch powerful roles. Can be acceptable later in the game, or in special circumstances where it is beneficial for town to learn someone's role. The reason it is scummy is because the really powerful town roles want to stay hidden so they don't get lynched by scum, and bringing attention to them by rolefishing risks their secrecy.

RVS - Random Voting Stage, the early-early game, shortly after the game begins, where people randomly vote each other and ask each other different questions, trying to find any good reason to suspect someone.

Scum - Mafia, or someone who isn't aligned with the Town. The Informed Minority.

SK - Serial Killer, a third party role with a nightkill, and who is hostile to everyone.

Survivor - a third party role whose win condition requires that they be alive at the end of the game. Normal players can die and still win as long as their team as a whole wins, but a survivor must actually be alive at the end.

Third Party - an alignment that is independent of scum and town. Has a unique victory condition, and is typically a lone wolf type character.

Town - The anti-Scum. The uninformed majority.

Vanilla - Someone who doesn't have a power role. "Vanilla Town", "Vanilla Scum", etc.

WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me, the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that his behavior would be subject to scrutiny.

Quote from: Princess Bride

"All right: where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right and who is dead."

"But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemy's?"

WoT - Wall of Text; a really really long post. Sometimes unavoidable, but generally you should try to keep them to a minimum. Sometimes scum use them to seem more active then they are.

Massclaim - When everyone starts roleclaiming, or saying they are a power role.

Spoiler: A List of Common Scumtells (click to show/hide)

(Thanks to IronyOwl for making the orig. version!)

Scumtells are things that someone does or says that imply that they're scum. Usually the reasoning is that it's bad or not productive for townies to do it, so it can be hard to distinguish signs of being scum from signs of being a noob. This is one of the reasons scum almost always win beginner's mafia games.

Note that scumtells are very very subjective; there's no simple way to distinguish a scumtell from a noobtell from being justified and/or lazy. Whether a justified, non-scummy version of a scumtell should still be called by its normal name varies from person to person. (Someone might describe their voting of someone who voted them as "not an OMGUS," other would say it's "a justified OMGUS" for instance)

In any case, common scumtells include:

Bandwagoning: Voting for whoever has the most votes or seems most likely to be lynched, despite having poor/no reasons or not wanting them lynched previously. It implies that you don't care who gets lynched, you just want someone gone, which is generally the case for scum.

OMGUSing: Short for Oh My God You Suck, by the way. Voting or otherwise applying pressure to whoever's voting you. It implies that you're really concerned about being pressured/lynched and want them to stop, which is more a scum thing. A townie would, in theory, be more open to the notion that their fellow townie is attempting to scumhunt at them, and less concerned about being found out.

Defending/Chainsawing: Defending just means what it sounds like: saying things to defend another player's actions or words. Chainsawing or chainsaw defending means attacking someone who's attacking another player in an attempt to get them to stop. The idea in both instances is that townies don't know if their fellow players are innocent or not, and hence have no real reason to defend them from legitimate persecution. Scum, on the other hand, know they're on a team and so are prone to not wanting their buddies found out or pressured.

Lurking: Not posting. Especially suspicious in the case of Active Lurking, which is trying to look active while not actually doing anything (posting frequently but with no substance, for instance). The idea in either case is that townies actually care about finding scum, and so should be doing things. Scum don't care, they just want some random guy lynched so they can kill someone at night.

Appearing Too Townie: There's no official name for this one, but being too concerned about your image; specifically avoiding things that might be seen as scumtells. The idea is that scum are very concerned about being found out, and so want to act nonscummy. Townies know they're not scum, so they're less concerned about LOOKING nonscummy and more concerned about finding scum.

Passiveness: This is when a person refuses, simply hasn't or seems reluctant to take a stance, such as lynches. Scum will be concerned about their image, and thus don't want to be seen supporting a town lynch or an attack on a town.

Backtracking: When a person changes their stance on a subject after stating it, such as supporting a lynch and after doing so claiming that they didn't do it. This is very suspicious, and is often a sign of scum wanting to retreat their position so as to be able to save their face.

Lying: Well this should be obvious, right? It happens when someone fakeclaims (says they're a cop/doc, but is just town for example), fabricates evidence and stuff like that.

Rolefishing: Trying to find powerroles (cop and doc in vanilla Mafia), often via questioning.

Quote from: Argembarger

Resigning yourself to being lynched.
Saying something like "there's no way for me to avoid being lynched so I won't bother trying"
Blackmailing the town, like "You can lynch me, but you'll be sorry when you see I was town all along!"
Voting yourself for any reason.

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Shamelessly copopasta'd from BM23 :V

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not.
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 12, 2011, 03:57:15 pm

Playing IC in.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 0/7+2/2
Post by: Darvi on July 12, 2011, 03:59:00 pm

Aight. Miss crankypants also said she'd join, so she's in too.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 0/7+2/2
Post by: Vector on July 12, 2011, 04:52:50 pm

Roffle.  First it's Mafia Mom, now it's Miss Crankypants?

Fair enough :3

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 0/7+2/2
Post by: freeformschooler on July 12, 2011, 05:01:38 pm

More than merely interested.

Go as hard on me as you want guys. I'm here to learn.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 0/7+2/2
Post by: Vector on July 12, 2011, 05:09:26 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 12, 2011, 05:01:38 pm

Go as hard on me as you want guys. I'm here to learn.

Oh, I can tell I'm going to enjoy this one :D

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 1/7+2/2
Post by: freeformschooler on July 12, 2011, 05:16:45 pm

Oh - when scumhunting are we allowed a quote pyramid? For interrogation, of course. I try to keep pyramids to a minimum anyway by just quoting the last part of it.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 0/7+2/2
Post by: anzki4 on July 12, 2011, 05:16:49 pm

Might as well give it a go, as I have at least enough time during the summer.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 1/7+2/2
Post by: Vector on July 12, 2011, 05:18:20 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 12, 2011, 05:16:45 pm

Oh - when scumhunting are we allowed a quote pyramid? For interrogation, of course. I try to keep pyramids to a minimum anyway by just quoting the last part of it.

In general, if I were quoting an entire exchange, I would remove it from the pyramid format, comment on each link to show how it leads to the next in a barrage of scummitude, and hide the entire mess behind a well-labeled spoiler.

One of the things Mafia will teach you is internet formatting XD

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 1/7+2/2
Post by: kilakan on July 12, 2011, 05:23:36 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 12, 2011, 05:18:20 pm

One of the things Mafia will teach you is internet formatting XD

Phft now you guys tell me grammar and formatting are so important.  No let me get slammed for it then mention it in passing.  Hahah anyways I've bought a lock for my house so now  my gf can't steal my laptop whenever she wants.  So I'll
IN

I somehow doubt F.R.O.N.T.V will start before this is over anyways.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 3/7+2/2
Post by: Vector on July 12, 2011, 05:50:58 pm

Hehe, sorry about that.  Yeah, they're pretty important, but I never think to mention them while ICing, because I don't want to pick at someone for poor grammar or something like that, especially if they're foreign, or dyslexic, or any of those other things...

But it is pretty important.  Really important, honestly.  A lot of your impact as a player will be generated by how you speak and present yourself, and frankly it's a lot harder to do that with only lowercase or wildly runon sentences.  Most important thing is probably, hands down, paragraph formatting and use of spoilers, bolds, etc. as relevant.

And never, never, never respond to someone's argument by writing inside their quote.  It's just rude at this point.  I know other people have different opinions on this, and it is okay once in a while, but don't pick it up as a habit.

Other minor stuff can be annoying, but generally isn't too important.

Oh, and reread your post before you put it up.  You won't be able to redact it, so take care!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 1/7+2/2
Post by: Max White on July 12, 2011, 06:23:33 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 12, 2011, 05:23:36 pm

I somehow doubt F.R.O.N.T.V will start before this is over anyways.

18 players dude, that thing is a monolith, takes forever to get up, but once it is, it is something!
Also, the force tells me I should get in on this.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 1/7+2/2
Post by: kilakan on July 12, 2011, 06:52:35 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 12, 2011, 06:23:33 pm

18 players dude, that thing is a monolith, takes forever to get up, but once it is, it is something!
Also, the force tells me I should get in on this.

NOOO NOT YOU ANYONE BUT YOU!  Hahaha kidding man.  Anyways ya the F.R.O.T.V does look like a great mod.  This however should not be the place to discuss this, so:

DERAIL ENDS HERE!
ANYONE CAUGHT MESSING WITH THE RAILS WILL BE PUNISHED!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 4/7+2/2
Post by: Darvi on July 12, 2011, 06:53:51 pm

*breaks rails with a crowbar*

What now :V

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 4/7+2/2
Post by: webadict on July 12, 2011, 06:54:41 pm

Quote from: Darvi on July 12, 2011, 06:53:51 pm

*breaks rails with a crowbar*

What now :V

I'll go make some calls...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 4/7+2/2
Post by: Darvi on July 12, 2011, 06:56:52 pm

OW, MY KNEES! WHY WOULD YOU DO SUCH A THING?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 1/7+2/2
Post by: Max White on July 12, 2011, 07:11:47 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 12, 2011, 06:52:35 pm

NOOO NOT YOU ANYONE BUT YOU!

<_<
>_>
VOTE KILAKAN!!!!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 1/7+2/2
Post by: Toaster on July 12, 2011, 07:22:08 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 12, 2011, 05:16:45 pm

Oh - when scumhunting are we allowed a quote pyramid? For interrogation, of course. I try to keep pyramids to a minimum anyway by just quoting the last part of it.

As Vector said, you'll learn good tricks for breaking it up.  I just want to throw out that it's a good idea to use and abuse the preview button.  With no editing, a broken quote tag can ruin an otherwise great post.  You'll save yourself a lot of heartache by doing that.

Speaking of heartache, you may also want to periodically copy your whole post to Notepad/whatever just in case you accidentally lose a huge post.  It'll save you a lot of rage.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 4/7+2/2
Post by: Flintus10 on July 13, 2011, 02:35:48 am

I'll join in hopefully it'll go better than last time I played.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 4/7+2/2
Post by: Max White on July 13, 2011, 03:04:13 am

That makes a game I believe.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 5/7+2/2
Post by: Darvi on July 13, 2011, 04:09:00 am

I reject your beliefs and substitute them with my own. We still need 3 people.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 5/7+2/2
Post by: Max White on July 13, 2011, 04:19:37 am

I'm looking at 5 nooblets and 2 IC's.
Unless your going for 7v3...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 5/7+2/2
Post by: Darvi on July 13, 2011, 04:20:44 am

We're going for 7v2 with 1 scum IC. Exactly the same as in the last game.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 5/7+2/2
Post by: Max White on July 13, 2011, 04:21:18 am

Wasn't last game 5v2?

EDIT: No wait, your right...
...

BLOODY LURKERS!!!!  :P

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 5/7+2/2
Post by: Darvi on July 13, 2011, 04:22:11 am

What gave you that ridiculous notion?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 5/7+2/2
Post by: Max White on July 13, 2011, 04:22:35 am

Wine.

EDIT:
Future scum: Just as a heart felt plea, can we not murder the fucking IC's this time? I know that for the game it is good to kill the strong players and all, but for your own improvement, it might be nice to see how they handle late game.

Except Jim, because he always had to be killed, or abducted, or culted, or something first night.  :P

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 5/7+2/2
Post by: Meanmelter on July 13, 2011, 07:49:31 am

I'm in.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+2/2
Post by: kilakan on July 13, 2011, 08:49:20 am

I gotta agree with Max, no offense Vector but you kinda stopped IC'ing for the most part after you died, I think it'd be really nice if an IC actually stuck around for a bit in game.
Unless of course they are scummy then they shall be lynched :P

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+2/2
Post by: Vector on July 13, 2011, 10:08:53 am

Quote from: kilakan on July 13, 2011, 08:49:20 am

I gotta agree with Max, no offense Vector but you kinda stopped IC'ing for the most part after you died.

The problem is that when we die, we can't tell someone, say, that they're wrangling with a townie, or that they need to cut out X or Y or we'll lynch them dead.  It's very hard to do anything but give general guidance--indeed, this is why we have playing ICs, now, rather than the non-playing ones we used to have.  You see that?  We cannot point out scumtells to you, only police activity, show you when you have obviously bad logic, and offer tone/formatting arguments.

I'll also note that I can't actually sit around to be on top of every problematic behavior.  I have a whole lot of other things I'm obligated to do.  So when Jim gets to the few things I can do first and I'm extremely busy as-is, I'm not going to complain or look for more shit to comment on.

Eh.  That, and I seem to be in the middle of a little breakdown, which kept me on the busy side.  Probably not too good to have a crazy IC, but I guess you're stuck with me for now :]

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+2/2
Post by: kilakan on July 13, 2011, 10:42:10 am

Hahah no you were a great IC, and ya you are right, it's kinda hard to teach someone if you can't point out obvious flaws in someones argument, but then you are interfering with the game too much.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+2/2
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 13, 2011, 07:59:32 pm

Actually, Out.

I'm going out of town for a week next week and won't be able to get anywhere near the Internet.

What will you guys do without gentle, coddling me to protect you against Vector?

Nothing! You're fucked! Aaaaaahaha_{hahahahahahaha!!}

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: Max White on July 13, 2011, 08:04:21 pm

DAMMIT! So now we need 2 IC's, right? Somebody get Org...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: Darvi on July 13, 2011, 08:07:00 pm

He mentioned in TF 2 that he'd kinda wouldn't come here anymore or something. Didn't hear it clearly because explosions.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: Max White on July 13, 2011, 08:10:17 pm

First Jim, now Org? If this keeps up, I'll have to IC.  :P

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: IronyOwl on July 13, 2011, 08:25:31 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 13, 2011, 07:59:32 pm

What will you guys do without gentle, coddling me to protect you against Vector?

Nothing! You're fucked! Aaaaaahaha_{hahahahahahaha!!}

Damn. I think Jim's a great archetype for the newbies to have around.

I'm quite willing to take the job in his place, but I do think Vector/Irony is a tad on the redundant side.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: Max White on July 13, 2011, 08:27:05 pm

Well you know what is better than one spiked flaming frying pan? Two of them...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: webadict on July 13, 2011, 09:01:30 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 13, 2011, 08:27:05 pm

Well you know what is better than one spiked flaming frying pan?

Everything involving me.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: Heliman on July 13, 2011, 09:02:46 pm

I, uh, I guess I can in as SE.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: Max White on July 13, 2011, 09:03:52 pm

Quote from: webadict on July 13, 2011, 09:01:30 pm

Everything involving me.

That sounds like you want to be involved... The 'i' and the 'n' button are right there.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: breadbocks on July 13, 2011, 11:03:26 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 13, 2011, 09:03:52 pm

Quote from: webadict on July 13, 2011, 09:01:30 pm

Everything involving me.

That sounds like you want to be involved... The 'i' and the 'n' button are right there.

He already pressed them.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 01:39:07 am

I can has join IN this game?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 01:41:14 am

Well between you and Heliman, all we are lacking is an IC. Irony, better you than nobody.  :D

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: Heliman on July 14, 2011, 02:07:57 am

Deadmeat definitely come, because I can also possibly IC? I've been in at least seven games out and about the internet, though if not Deadmeat>me for sure. Newbies are more important in a newbie game.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: breadbocks on July 14, 2011, 02:10:43 am

Heli, I don't think you're qualified for IC.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: Heliman on July 14, 2011, 02:16:41 am

meh, it was worth asking.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 02:17:40 am

Well, if were not sure if you can IC or not, chances are your too qualified for joining normally.
Breadbocks, were you looking for a spot, or do you think you have learnt all that this level can teach you?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: breadbocks on July 14, 2011, 03:03:01 am

I think I'll try takng a shot at just watching. I know how to do it, I just lack the skills to put it to use.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: IronyOwl on July 14, 2011, 03:09:04 am

Quote from: breadbocks on July 14, 2011, 03:03:01 am

I think I'll try takng a shot at just watching. I know how to do it, I just lack the skills to put it to use.

Practice makes perfect. As does being yelled at by ICs, sometimes.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+1/2
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 05:42:30 am

*yaaaawwwwwn*

Deadmeat, you're in, because I think Heli can handle the games pretty well enough by now.

Now, theoretically we can start now, but should we wait for a scum IC to enter first?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 06:14:31 am

Hey Darvi, do you know how to play as scum?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: noah22223 on July 14, 2011, 06:21:55 am

Can I play?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 06:25:27 am

We are full, but... Do you really want to?
I have played a game or two already. I know the rules, I get the idea, and although I still need a lot of work, I can stand on my own two feet, to some extent. The things I need to know I can picks up better in a real game.
So, do you want my spot? You have to promise to be active and post every day, and listen to the IC's.

I would prefer to get a new player hooked than just sharpen my own skills.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 06:26:53 am

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 06:14:31 am

Hey Darvi, do you know how to play as scum?

I am a Real Life scumbucket :V

Quote from: noah22223 on July 14, 2011, 06:21:55 am

Can I play?

Unfortunately we're full right now. I'll add you to the replacement queue, so if somebody has to leave you're in immediately.

Ninja-Max: or that. ALthough I'd rather have more Max-breadbocks dynamics. For teh lulz.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: noah22223 on July 14, 2011, 06:27:44 am

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://provideocoalition.com/images/uploads/fuuuuuuuuuu.jpg)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: webadict on July 14, 2011, 06:29:07 am

I knows how play scum...

>.> I know hows avoid Vector

I know how avoids scumtells

I's good scum. The question is are good scum? Listen me if are. Else lynched get.

In me, I suppose. Just a little hint newbscum: Listen to what I say, and you'll do fiiiiine. >:D

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 06:30:30 am

Hoooo boy. BLU's gonna be royally fucked.

Preparing stuff in a moment.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 06:31:30 am

Quote from: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 06:26:53 am

Ninja-Max: or that. ALthough I'd rather have more Max-breadbocks dynamics. For teh lulz.

While teh lulz are more valuable than any new player, breadbocks isn't in this one, so we can't brawl it out. Although there is Vector, so that should be fun for all involved! Especially me, and especially not Vector.

Let's waste this game.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 06:32:53 am

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 06:31:30 am

While teh lulz are more valuable than any new player, breadbocks isn't in this one, so we can't brawl it out.

Deeeerp.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:31:09 am

I can hardly extain my concitement.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 07:41:35 am

Sleeping for next...12 or so hours so if this starts during that time that should explain my absence

Title: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:46:54 am

Alert! RED Spies in our base! Protect the briefcase!

The voice of Helen, the announcer, echoed through the corridors as the BLU team charged into the intel room.
They all let out a sigh of relief when they noticed that the intelligence is still where it was supposed to be.
Expecting the spies to enter the room at any moment, everybody aimed their weapons at the entrance, fingers at the triggers.

It took everybody a while to notice that those were SPIES they were dealing with.
They were most likely already there, in that very room.
And it could be very well anybody here.
The easy way would just to kill everybody in this room.
However, if they did that, some other RED goon could simply walk in and take the briefcase without anybody stopping him.
Tactical finesse was asked for here.

---

Day ends on Monday 10PM GMT

3 votes to extend, 5 to shorten, no hammer!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 07:53:31 am

Flintus10: Hello there, good to see you, I can't recall your face, but you said you had played before. How did that work out for you?
Vector: Seems you have already gotten a reputation for being a little grumpy. Do you think that is fair?
Noah22223: If your reading this, relax, I'm going to be making sure Darvi prods the lurkers until he get's so sick of me, he just replaces them, so you might get in soon.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: noah22223 on July 14, 2011, 07:54:21 am

:D

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:03:18 am

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 07:53:31 am

Vector: Seems you have already gotten a reputation for being a little grumpy. Do you think that is fair?

Yes.  I am generally more than a little grumpy.


This is my advice as your IC: You should vote with that RVS.  You can change your mind about that later, but a beginner should follow that convention at least until s/he learns other attack patterns.

The RVS is your first volley in an extraordinarily aggressive game.  Never forget it.


Freeformschooler, what do you consider your most important line of defense?

Max White, what color is my shirt?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 08:08:11 am

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:03:18 am

Max White, what color is my shirt?

Purple.  :P

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/9q8kt5.jpg)

So, Irony seems to think you both have similar styles enough that it would be redundant to have you both. Does that make it easier or harder to read each other?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:15:33 am

Nah, I don't think our styles are that similar--although they could be.  It's not something I'm adamant about.

I have no idea about Irony's ability to read me.  I'm quite certain that I can read Irony.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 08:20:35 am

That is a very confident stance you are taking, although it is good to know that if one of our IC's is scummy, at least the has a good chance to pick up on it, and if both of you are scummy I'm going to bitch to Darvi about an unfair game. Do you feel as sure in your ability to find scum amongst the newer ranks?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:24:18 am

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 08:20:35 am

Do you feel as sure in your ability to find scum amongst the newer ranks?

Depends.  I'm still recalibrating my scumdar, and scum taught by Webadict will likely be hard to find.  I do intend to learn from my numerous errors last game, however.  Usually it takes me a game or so to warm up.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 08:30:29 am

Deadmeat1471, how do you plan to find the scums ?

freeformschooler, what is your favorite class ?

Meanmelter, which is better color, red or blue?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 08:31:24 am

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:24:18 am

Depends.  I'm still recalibrating my scumdar, and scum taught by Webadict will likely be hard to find.  I do intend to learn from my numerous errors last game, however.  Usually it takes me a game or so to warm up.

Perhaps not lynching the lurkers might work a little better...

Al right, I'm busy tomorrow, so I'm heading off to bed. Give everybody else a chance before I fill up the thread.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 08:32:02 am

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 08:31:24 am

Perhaps not lynching the lurkers might work a little better...

We have backup, so no problem there.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 08:47:23 am

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 08:30:29 am

Deadmeat1471, how do you plan to find the scums ?

I plan on voting randomly and probing the target for information and tells. Hopefully revealing a scumbag in the process.

anzki4 whats your plan?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:56:17 am

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:03:18 am

Freeformschooler, what do you consider your most important line of defense?

My most important line of defense? As in who I consider best to defend me as an organization? I'd say my own team. They've got my back.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 08:30:29 am

freeformschooler, what is your favorite class ?

Definitely Scout. I like being independent, and helping when necessary.

Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 09:20:45 am

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 08:47:23 am

I plan on voting randomly and probing the target for information and tells. Hopefully revealing a scumbag in the process.

anzki4 whats your plan?

There's a certain lack of voting randomly here.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 09:43:37 am

Okay Meanmelter is not here so I have a few more questions.

Deadmeat1471, do you feel confident in your ability to spot the scums once one of us has found them?

Max White, how would you feel if your teammate betrayed you and lied to you?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 09:56:18 am

Also Vector, help me understand a rule. If there's one vote for Guy A, and one vote for Guy B, and no other votes at the end of the day, who gets lynched?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 09:58:07 am

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 08:47:23 am

anzki4 whats your plan?

Pretty much the same as you, random voting and questioning,.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:56:17 am

Definitely Scout. I like being independent, and helping when necessary.

So you're quick and deadly, eh?

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:56:17 am

Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?

Rolefishing already?

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 09:56:18 am

Also Vector, help me understand a rule. If there's one vote for Guy A, and one vote for Guy B, and no other votes at the end of the day, who gets lynched?

No one. Methinks.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 10:01:58 am

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 09:58:07 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 09:56:18 am

Also Vector, help me understand a rule. If there's one vote for Guy A, and one vote for Guy B, and no other votes at the end of the day, who gets lynched?

No one. Methinks.

Indeed. Unless there's voting shenanigans going on, but that won't happen in a BM.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:03:54 am

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 09:58:07 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:56:17 am

Definitely Scout. I like being independent, and helping when necessary.

So you're quick and deadly, eh?

Except when I'm dead :P I may be powerful and fast as a scout but I'm still sorta squishy compared to, say, a heavy. And that fits how I roll.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 09:58:07 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:56:17 am

Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?

Rolefishing already?

Yes. It's a double edged sword -- if he's not the role I'm taking a wild guess at, I get at least a look at his playstyle. Maybe even spot a scumtell.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 09:58:07 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 09:56:18 am

Also Vector, help me understand a rule. If there's one vote for Guy A, and one vote for Guy B, and no other votes at the end of the day, who gets lynched?

No one. Methinks.

Ah, thanks. That's what I figured, just wanted to be sure.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 10:05:35 am

I have a class, but wow--good thing I'm voting you because DON'T FUCKING ROLEFISH.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:06:53 am

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 10:05:35 am

I have a class, but wow--good thing I'm voting you because DON'T FUCKING ROLEFISH.

What? Why not? Educate me, what's wrong with it?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:07:36 am

Oh, nevermind, just read the CEA on that. Yeah, probably not a good idea  :-\

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 10:27:11 am

Unvote.

Flintus10, you were picked up by the lady luck. Tell me, if she would have chosen you to become a red spy as well, what would be your strategy ?

Everyone except freeformschooler, what's your favorite class and why?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 10:33:49 am

Also freeformschooler, what were you thinking you would achieve by knowing someones role if you are a town?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:56:17 am

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:03:18 am

Freeformschooler, what do you consider your most important line of defense?

My most important line of defense? As in who I consider best to defend me as an organization? I'd say my own team. They've got my back.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 08:30:29 am

freeformschooler, what is your favorite class ?

Definitely Scout. I like being independent, and helping when necessary.

Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?

I have two serious problems with this.

1.  Your line of defense is your teammates?  How the fuck do you know who your teammates are unless you are scum?

2. As Vector already pointed out, the meanmelter question is a role-fish, or fitting with the above problem.  He could be scum and you've got each  others backs so you're slipping and asking blatantly obvious questions that should be lest to scum chat.  The latter is a tad of a WIFOM, but in the case of a noob it could be an easy scum tell.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:07:36 am

Oh, nevermind, just read the CEA on that. Yeah, probably not a good idea  :-\

Don't use worm-words like probably.  It's NOT a good idea for you if you are town, because leading us into a mislynch with carelessness screws everyone over.  Of course it's always bad for your well being if you go around acting like a scum.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 08:30:29 am

Deadmeat1471, how do you plan to find the scums ?

freeformschooler, what is your favorite class ?

Meanmelter, which is better color, red or blue?

Holy crap, a duo of crappy questions.  Two and Three are hooked so obviously to be pointless.

The second is a role-fish plain and simple.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 10:27:11 am

Unvote.

Flintus10, you were picked up by the lady luck. Tell me, if she would have chosen you to become a red spy as well, what would be your strategy ?

Everyone except freeformschooler, what's your favorite class and why?

Holy fuck a group rolefish directly after freeformschooler gets slammed on it.

anzki4-Have you read any of the scum hunting guides or are you just winging it? And then what do you mean "if she would have chosen you to become a red spy as well"
anzki4 Is this implying you are a red spy?

Max White-Do you intend to stay as active as you did last game, and if so what will you be doing about lurkers this time?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:54:31 am

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 10:33:49 am

Also freeformschooler, what were you thinking you would achieve by knowing someones role if you are a town?

In retrospect, I am sure I thought there was some advantage, but "protect" was not originally meant as a role-finding word. I hopped on the role-finding bandwagon when I thought "sure, I could achieve something with that!" but Vector corrected me.

However, I anticipated (and hoped for) two possible responses:

1) "Protect" would be taken as "if you're a town you'll try to protect the other townies" or something to that effect. Digging for scumtells (thus my scumtell addendum), though in hindsight that was a pretty weak effort.
2) "Protect" would be taken as a fluff question - similar to "what is your favorite class" - to hopefully get a clue to deadmeat's general motives and playstyle. Although now that I think about it, "what is your favorite class" was probably a rolefishing question too. Why did you ask that anyway?

Let me know if either of these are unrealistic.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

I have two serious problems with this.

1.  Your line of defense is your teammates?  How the fuck do you know who your teammates are unless you are scum?

2. As Vector already pointed out, the meanmelter question is a role-fish, or fitting with the above problem.  He could be scum and you've got each  others backs so you're slipping and asking blatantly obvious questions that should be lest to scum chat.  The latter is a tad of a WIFOM, but in the case of a noob it could be an easy scum tell.

1. Asking what my best line of defense is sounded like a scumtell-hunting fluff question, so I answered with more fluff.

2. Covered above. Thanks for the tip though.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:57:13 am

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"what is your favorite class" was probably a rolefishing question too. Why did you ask that anyway?

^^^

You can pretend I didn't say that. I'm now convinced it's not a rolefishing question with the previous few posts.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:59:40 am

Oh and yeah I have another question. anzki4, what's with the nonsense useless questions like "red or blue"? What are you expecting to gain out of these?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 11:42:06 am

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

Holy crap, a duo of crappy questions.  Two and Three are hooked so obviously to be pointless.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:59:40 am

Oh and yeah I have another question. anzki4, what's with the nonsense useless questions like "red or blue"? What are you expecting to gain out of these?

I am probably not gonna gain nothing for those crappy random questions, but ya never know before you try.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

The second is a role-fish plain and simple.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

Holy fuck a group rolefish directly after freeformschooler gets slammed on it.

Nope. Did you read the question, because I can faintly remember it saying "What is your favorite class?" You however, in case you didn't know it, cannot choose your class in this one. Which means that "favorite class" != "your class".

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

anzki4-Have you read any of the scum hunting guides or are you just winging it? And then what do you mean "if she would have chosen you to become a red spy as well"

"As well" was referring to the fact that lady luck chose him/her for random vote.

As for the other point, define "winging it."

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

anzki4 Is this implying you are a red spy?

You tell me.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 11:57:05 am

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 11:42:06 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:59:40 am

Oh and yeah I have another question. anzki4, what's with the nonsense useless questions like "red or blue"? What are you expecting to gain out of these?

I am probably not gonna gain nothing for those crappy random questions, but ya never know before you try.

Yeah, that's how I feel right now. Best to see what people say to useless questions so that slip-ups their answers may let me build hefty a case later.

...Alright, I can't find much else on you for right now so I'm gonna stick to my previous vote. However, I will note that while I don't have any real evidence or anything substantial it was role-fishing, this:

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what is your favorite class ?

Sounds a lot more like a role-fish due to following its answer up with this:

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So you're quick and deadly, eh?

Than you're probably thinking it does here:

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Nope. Did you read the question, because I can faintly remember it saying "What is your favorite class?" You however, in case you didn't know it, cannot choose your class in this one. Which means that "favorite class" != "your class".

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:04:13 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:57:13 am

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"what is your favorite class" was probably a rolefishing question too. Why did you ask that anyway?

^^^

You can pretend I didn't say that. I'm now convinced it's not a rolefishing question with the previous few posts.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 11:57:05 am

...Alright, I can't find much else on you for right now so I'm gonna stick to my previous vote. However, I will note that while I don't have any real evidence or anything substantial it was role-fishing, this:

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what is your favorite class ?

Sounds a lot more like a role-fish due to following its answer up with this:

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So you're quick and deadly, eh?

Where the sudden change of opinion?

For the record "So you're quick and deadly, eh?" was a random reply to show that I acknowledged your answer. Like I said before, even if you would want to be scout, in this game you don't necessarily get to be one.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 12:08:18 pm

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:04:13 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 11:57:05 am

...Alright, I can't find much else on you for right now so I'm gonna stick to my previous vote. However, I will note that while I don't have any real evidence or anything substantial it was role-fishing, this:
Where the sudden change of opinion?

Oh, I'm still convinced it's not a role-fish (your answers makes sense, particularly the last one) but I'm giving you a warning, since that's the kind of thing that someone else would see and vote on you for if you don't back it up well.

If Darvi's here, what do I do if the guy I voted for doesn't show up to answer a few questions?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:10:54 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 12:08:18 pm

Oh, I'm still convinced it's not a role-fish (your answers makes sense, particularly the last one) but I'm giving you a warning, since that's the kind of thing that someone else would see and vote on you for if you don't back it up well.

So let me get this straight: You think someone else would vote me for that, but you would not. Why so?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:11:54 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 12:08:18 pm

If Darvi's here, what do I do if the guy I voted for doesn't show up to answer a few questions?

You can just throw some questions to others as well, with or without voting them.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 12:18:26 pm

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:10:54 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 12:08:18 pm

Oh, I'm still convinced it's not a role-fish (your answers makes sense, particularly the last one) but I'm giving you a warning, since that's the kind of thing that someone else would see and vote on you for if you don't back it up well.

So let me get this straight: You think someone else would vote me for that, but you would not. Why so?

Because I wasn't able to find any holes in your defense of that, even though I had a strong feeling it was something someone else would have.

So, since I want someone that is tangibly scummy to vote for, let's move on here:

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 11:42:06 am

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

anzki4 Is this implying you are a red spy?

You tell me.

Why would you say this, instead of just "no" and why not (an explanation/retort)? That sounds like you're expecting it to be a catch-all answer to push the real answer (no or yes) back to kilakan's judgement, instead of being confident about not being scum.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:28:16 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 12:18:26 pm

Why would you say this, instead of just "no" and why not (an explanation/retort)? That sounds like you're expecting it to be a catch-all answer to push the real answer (no or yes) back to kilakan's judgement, instead of being confident about not being scum.

I know that I am not a scum, but however I do not know what my actions imply* to him.

* ("Imply" as in "To express in a suggestive manner rather than as a direct statement", that is "suggest.")

For clarification: I read his question as "Is this suggesting you are a red spy?", but I guess that might be a wrong interpretation.


Then back to questioning:

Max White, what do you think of the happenings of the day?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 01:26:20 pm

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Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:54:31 am

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 10:33:49 am

Also freeformschooler, what were you thinking you would achieve by knowing someones role if you are a town?

In retrospect, I am sure I thought there was some advantage, but "protect" was not originally meant as a role-finding word. I hopped on the role-finding bandwagon when I thought "sure, I could achieve something with that!" but Vector corrected me.

However, I anticipated (and hoped for) two possible responses:

1) "Protect" would be taken as "if you're a town you'll try to protect the other townies" or something to that effect. Digging for scumtells (thus my scumtell addendum), though in hindsight that was a pretty weak effort.
2) "Protect" would be taken as a fluff question - similar to "what is your favorite class" - to hopefully get a clue to deadmeat's general motives and playstyle. Although now that I think about it, "what is your favorite class" was probably a rolefishing question too. Why did you ask that anyway?

Let me know if either of these are unrealistic.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

I have two serious problems with this.

1.  Your line of defense is your teammates?  How the fuck do you know who your teammates are unless you are scum?

2. As Vector already pointed out, the meanmelter question is a role-fish, or fitting with the above problem.  He could be scum and you've got each  others backs so you're slipping and asking blatantly obvious questions that should be lest to scum chat.  The latter is a tad of a WIFOM, but in the case of a noob it could be an easy scum tell.

1. Asking what my best line of defense is sounded like a scumtell-hunting fluff question, so I answered with more fluff.

2. Covered above. Thanks for the tip though.

Ok then I didn't read it as a fluff question, but if you did then answering it with fluff is acceptable.

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Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 11:42:06 am

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

Holy crap, a duo of crappy questions.  Two and Three are hooked so obviously to be pointless.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:59:40 am

Oh and yeah I have another question. anzki4, what's with the nonsense useless questions like "red or blue"? What are you expecting to gain out of these?

I am probably not gonna gain nothing for those crappy random questions, but ya never know before you try.

Did you completely miss the section  about grammar being important?  Talking like a hillbilly won't get you anywhere.  Your answer to that is unsatisfactory, if you know they were crappy questions why did you ask them.  Also how can they be random you had to think of them and as far as I know there is no such thing as a random question generator.

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Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 11:42:06 am

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

The second is a role-fish plain and simple.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

Holy fuck a group rolefish directly after freeformschooler gets slammed on it.

Nope. Did you read the question, because I can faintly remember it saying "What is your favorite class?" You however, in case you didn't know it, cannot choose your class in this one. Which means that "favorite class" != "your class".

Being a smart-ass is not a good defense.   Also just because it doesn't point towards your class, someone saying spy or soldier colors them as possibly having those classes, which muddies the water for scum hunters.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 11:42:06 am

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

anzki4-Have you read any of the scum hunting guides or are you just winging it? And then what do you mean "if she would have chosen you to become a red spy as well"

"As well" was referring to the fact that lady luck chose him/her for random vote.

As for the other point, define "winging it."

Ok so you unvote after asking a SINGLE question to your initial RVS, and then (even though plenty of posting has occurred) you throw another random RVS out there with a question that would only result in a WIFOM answer?  Knowing someones strategy if they were scum is a pointless thing. 
Unless of course you have played with said person many many times and would already know how they act as scum.  I assume you haven't played with Flintus enough to know him that well?

Seriously you don't know what 'winging it' means?  Or are you being a smart ass again.
Either way here's a definition for winging it from Berretta English.com

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To wing it is an idiom that means to improvise, to do something without proper preparation or time to rehearse. People often talk about winging it when they have to do something difficult that they didn’t have time to prepare — like a make speech or give a presentation. They might say something like "Sorry if I seem a bit disorganized, I’m totally winging it." You tell people that you’re winging it, that you’re improvising, so that they won’t expect too much from you, or so that they will be more forgiving if you make a mistake.

SO now answer the fucking question, are you winging it or have you actually bothered to read over any of the scum hunting guides?

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 11:42:06 am

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

anzki4 Is this implying you are a red spy?

You tell me.

I wasn't asking you if your actions imply you are a red spy.  I was asking if that sentence implies you are a red spy.  As for what I expected you to answer, I wanted a reason for that, which you did give.  Adding on the retort "You tell me." is fucking pointless and just something you would want to say to bolster your ego.
A better comeback would be to actually ask a question with some merit.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 01:27:33 pm

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:11:54 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 12:08:18 pm

If Darvi's here, what do I do if the guy I voted for doesn't show up to answer a few questions?

You can just throw some questions to others as well, with or without voting them.

What is with you answering questions directed to the mod and the IC's fucking stop or get out.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 01:32:25 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 12:18:26 pm

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:10:54 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 12:08:18 pm

Oh, I'm still convinced it's not a role-fish (your answers makes sense, particularly the last one) but I'm giving you a warning, since that's the kind of thing that someone else would see and vote on you for if you don't back it up well.

So let me get this straight: You think someone else would vote me for that, but you would not. Why so?

Because I wasn't able to find any holes in your defense of that, even though I had a strong feeling it was something someone else would have.

So, since I want someone that is tangibly scummy to vote for, let's move on here:

That is what you use a blue FoS for by the way.  To show that your have a bad feeling about a particular person, to draw others attentions to the fact, but also to state that you are not ready to vote said person yet.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:10:54 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 12:08:18 pm

Oh, I'm still convinced it's not a role-fish (your answers makes sense, particularly the last one) but I'm giving you a warning, since that's the kind of thing that someone else would see and vote on you for if you don't back it up well.

So let me get this straight: You think someone else would vote me for that, but you would not. Why so?

So you want him to vote for you.  Sounds like a pretty scummy move to me, trying to goad people into voting you to show that you don't fear being lynched.  Of course I actually am voting you.

so now to end the triple post.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 01:50:28 pm

A lot of what kilakan said I wouldn't use as scumtells, but with these things in particular:

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Ok so you unvote after asking a SINGLE question to your initial RVS, and then (even though plenty of posting has occurred) you throw another random RVS out there with a question that would only result in a WIFOM answer?  Knowing someones strategy if they were scum is a pointless thing. 
Unless of course you have played with said person many many times and would already know how they act as scum.  I assume you haven't played with Flintus enough to know him that well?

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I wasn't asking you if your actions imply you are a red spy.  I was asking if that sentence implies you are a red spy.  As for what I expected you to answer, I wanted a reason for that, which you did give.  Adding on the retort "You tell me." is fucking pointless and just something you would want to say to bolster your ego.
A better comeback would be to actually ask a question with some merit.

Both would normally be blue text on their own (particularly that last one which has now been properly replied to), but together, in addition to my previous doubts, I'm going to unvote and change my vote to anzki4. He's the most scummy-acting person I've seen (and have seen been documented) in the game so far, at least until I can put together something on someone else. And until the lurkers/not-online folk come back.

anzki4, wouldn't it be more beneficial for you if you were a town (it would certainly cast less doubts) to still say, for example, "I'm not scum" rather than "I know that I am not a scum" because the latter seems like a marginally more scummy thing to say.

Though out of curiosity, kilakan, what's so wrong with someone else answering an IC/mod question? If they know the answer.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 01:53:20 pm

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Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?

By not backstabbing you. How do YOU plan to protect the rest of us, including yourself?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 01:55:30 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 01:53:20 pm

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Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?

By not backstabbing you. How do YOU plan to protect the rest of us, including yourself?

By narrowing down my lynch choice to the absolute most scummy person I can find. Like just now.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 01:57:00 pm

Oh, and Meanmelter, why would you ask how I plan to protect myself specifically? Why do you care?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 01:57:54 pm

Note: Unless mentioned in the Role PM, no class has any abilities. They're just there for flavor.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 02:01:59 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 01:57:00 pm

Oh, and Meanmelter, why would you ask how I plan to protect myself specifically? Why do you care?

Why do you care how I plan to protect others? Maybe I plan on just protecting myself. Why are you refusing to answer my questions? Itching to use that knife?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 02:05:38 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 01:50:28 pm

Though out of curiosity, kilakan, what's so wrong with someone else answering an IC/mod question? If they know the answer.

The problem is that they can potentially give you bad/not-as-good-as advice then an IC or mod could.  Mainly as opposed to a mod or IC they don't have to answer truthfully and could potentially sabotage your game by giving you purposely bad advice.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 02:09:25 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 02:01:59 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 01:57:00 pm

Oh, and Meanmelter, why would you ask how I plan to protect myself specifically? Why do you care?

Why do you care how I plan to protect others? Maybe I plan on just protecting myself. Why are you refusing to answer my questions? Itching to use that knife?

You know that's not a very town thing to say that you plan on just protecting yourself, largely due to the fact that town still win even if they are dead if the whole team wins.
Though you do have a point, but just because you answered his question doesn't mean he has to answer yours.
Frankly though he did answer your question:

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 01:55:30 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 01:53:20 pm

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Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?

By not backstabbing you. How do YOU plan to protect the rest of us, including yourself?

By narrowing down my lynch choice to the absolute most scummy person I can find. Like just now.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 02:14:48 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 02:09:25 pm

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Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 02:01:59 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 01:57:00 pm

Oh, and Meanmelter, why would you ask how I plan to protect myself specifically? Why do you care?

Why do you care how I plan to protect others? Maybe I plan on just protecting myself. Why are you refusing to answer my questions? Itching to use that knife?

You know that's not a very town thing to say that you plan on just protecting yourself, largely due to the fact that town still win even if they are dead if the whole team wins.
Though you do have a point, but just because you answered his question doesn't mean he has to answer yours.
Frankly though he did answer your question:

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 01:55:30 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 01:53:20 pm

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Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?

By not backstabbing you. How do YOU plan to protect the rest of us, including yourself?

By narrowing down my lynch choice to the absolute most scummy person I can find. Like just now.

I said Maybe. I never said I was going to. If I said something like 'I plan on just protecting myself' that would have been in the wrong.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 02:25:09 pm

Firstly, everyone should read my typical opening post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=87209.msg2384945#msg2384945) for a bunch of good advice on how to play. I'm not an IC in this game, but I'll be damned if I don't stop you from screwing up.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:03:54 am

Yes. It's a double edged sword -- if he's not the role I'm taking a wild guess at, I get at least a look at his playstyle. Maybe even spot a scumtell.

Asking hypothetical questions is fine for the RVS, like what he would do if he were the doctor, but asking straight up is a big no no.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 10:27:11 am

Everyone except freeformschooler, what's your favorite class and why?

Don't ask completely irrelevant questions in the RVS.

They're completely irrelevant. You shouldn't be asking them.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 12:08:18 pm

If Darvi's here, what do I do if the guy I voted for doesn't show up to answer a few questions?

Be more demanding to get him here.

The game just started today, so you're nowhere near the point where you have to start demanding answers out of him.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 01:27:33 pm

What is with you answering questions directed to the mod and the IC's fucking stop or get out.

Calm down, it's fine.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 02:30:54 pm

Your advice is welcome, but you know you're not getting paid for it this time right?

:P

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 02:37:35 pm

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Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 02:09:25 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 02:01:59 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 01:57:00 pm

Oh, and Meanmelter, why would you ask how I plan to protect myself specifically? Why do you care?

Why do you care how I plan to protect others? Maybe I plan on just protecting myself. Why are you refusing to answer my questions? Itching to use that knife?

You know that's not a very town thing to say that you plan on just protecting yourself, largely due to the fact that town still win even if they are dead if the whole team wins.
Though you do have a point, but just because you answered his question doesn't mean he has to answer yours.
Frankly though he did answer your question:

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 01:55:30 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 01:53:20 pm

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Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?

By not backstabbing you. How do YOU plan to protect the rest of us, including yourself?

By narrowing down my lynch choice to the absolute most scummy person I can find. Like just now.

What kilikan said, Meanmelter -- I did, in fact, answer your question, so I'm not sure why you're asking why I refused to. In fact, I consider lynching only the person I find most scummy to be a perfect strategy to protect both myself and others.

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Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 02:25:09 pm

Firstly, everyone should read my typical opening post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=87209.msg2384945#msg2384945) for a bunch of good advice on how to play. I'm not an IC in this game, but I'll be damned if I don't stop you from screwing up.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:03:54 am

Yes. It's a double edged sword -- if he's not the role I'm taking a wild guess at, I get at least a look at his playstyle. Maybe even spot a scumtell.

Asking hypothetical questions is fine for the RVS, like what he would do if he were the doctor, but asking straight up is a big no no.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 10:27:11 am

Everyone except freeformschooler, what's your favorite class and why?

Don't ask completely irrelevant questions in the RVS.

They're completely irrelevant. You shouldn't be asking them.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 12:08:18 pm

If Darvi's here, what do I do if the guy I voted for doesn't show up to answer a few questions?

Be more demanding to get him here.

The game just started today, so you're nowhere near the point where you have to start demanding answers out of him.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 01:27:33 pm

What is with you answering questions directed to the mod and the IC's fucking stop or get out.

Calm down, it's fine.

Thanks for all that, Jim. Big help. I'm not used to being demanding :P

Meanmelter: It appears I'm at a standoff with so why don't I just ask more questions. Like, for instance, why you have not voted yet? Still reading the rest of the topic?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 02:45:12 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 01:26:20 pm

Also just because it doesn't point towards your class, someone saying spy or soldier colors them as possibly having those classes, which muddies the water for scum hunters.

No. It colors them as liking those classes.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 01:26:20 pm

Ok so you unvote after asking a SINGLE question to your initial RVS, and then (even though plenty of posting has occurred) you throw another random RVS out there with a question that would only result in a WIFOM answer?  Knowing someones strategy if they were scum is a pointless thing. 
Unless of course you have played with said person many many times and would already know how they act as scum.  I assume you haven't played with Flintus enough to know him that well?

I have never played with Flintus. As for the "pointless question", like I said before: you never know.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 01:26:20 pm

Seriously you don't know what 'winging it' means?  Or are you being a smart ass again.
Either way here's a definition for winging it from Berretta English.com

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To wing it is an idiom that means to improvise, to do something without proper preparation or time to rehearse. People often talk about winging it when they have to do something difficult that they didn’t have time to prepare — like a make speech or give a presentation. They might say something like "Sorry if I seem a bit disorganized, I’m totally winging it." You tell people that you’re winging it, that you’re improvising, so that they won’t expect too much from you, or so that they will be more forgiving if you make a mistake.

SO now answer the fucking question, are you winging it or have you actually bothered to read over any of the scum hunting guides?

Yes, I was "winging it", and yes I have read scumhunting guides before my first game.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 01:32:25 pm

So you want him to vote for you.  Sounds like a pretty scummy move to me, trying to goad people into voting you to show that you don't fear being lynched.  Of course I actually am voting you.

Nope, I wanted to know why freeformschooler pointed out that "others would vote you" and didn't do it him/herself.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 01:50:28 pm

anzki4, wouldn't it be more beneficial for you if you were a town (it would certainly cast less doubts) to still say, for example, "I'm not scum" rather than "I know that I am not a scum" because the latter seems like a marginally more scummy thing to say.

Because I know that I am not a scum, but no else does not.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 02:48:21 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 02:37:35 pm

Meanmelter: It appears I'm at a standoff with so why don't I just ask more questions. Like, for instance, why you have not voted yet? Still reading the rest of the topic?

Because I am not sure who is scum yet. When I do have an hunch I'll vote.
Now, if you were a doctor, who would you defend and why?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 02:50:39 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 02:48:21 pm

Now, if you were a doctor, who would you defend and why?

I would call you out on role-fishing, but I feel I can provide an answer to this. The answer is I've decided who I can't trust based on the current data, but I'm still not sure who I'm sure I CAN trust. I think that would require a different, private investigation, but then again, I might just end up sure about it anyway by the end of the day.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 02:52:57 pm

Though I will warn that is pretty blatant role-fishing. I'm going to just say you probably don't want to do that I again because even just the way you presented it sounded really scummy. I mean, even if I was or wasn't a doctor, who I would protect is exactly the kind of thing that can help a scum.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 02:56:31 pm

It's not actually role-fishing there, it's a what if type question that can be used to determine the personality of the person it is directed towards.  Asking slightly more generalized questions like 'what is your favorite type of character?' is closer to role fishing but usually you want to watch for ones that are "What is your strategy as a Doctor?"  Something that implies you are one and by answering it you confirm that it is true.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 02:57:05 pm

Again, I said if you were. No matter what your answer was, it wouldn't have given me any hint of what role you were.
Making you seem pretty Scummy yourself. I wasn't going to even going to assume you'd be scum. But just be aware, I have my eye on you.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 03:00:56 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 02:48:21 pm

Because I am not sure who is scum yet. When I do have an hunch I'll vote.

Were you not listening to me when I said that RVS is for fucking voting?

SO VOTE.  Don't piss me off like this.

I'll be back in a while with reads and questions or whatever, but right now it's time for Vector to eat rice and read vampire fanfic.  So I'll return when it's prudent.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 03:03:52 pm

Deadmeat1471 Care to explain who you'd accuse of being total scum at this point?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 03:04:22 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 02:50:39 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 02:48:21 pm

Now, if you were a doctor, who would you defend and why?

I would call you out on role-fishing, but I feel I can provide an answer to this. The answer is I've decided who I can't trust based on the current data, but I'm still not sure who I'm sure I CAN trust. I think that would require a different, private investigation, but then again, I might just end up sure about it anyway by the end of the day.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 02:52:57 pm

Though I will warn that is pretty blatant role-fishing. I'm going to just say you probably don't want to do that I again because even just the way you presented it sounded really scummy. I mean, even if I was or wasn't a doctor, who I would protect is exactly the kind of thing that can help a scum.

No, that's not rolefishing.

It's a hypothetical question designed to give insight into how a player thinks.

Not. Rolefishing.

Quote from: The Wicked Witch of the WIFOM on July 14, 2011, 03:00:56 pm

Were you not listening to me when I said that RVS is for fucking voting?

SO VOTE.  Don't piss me off like this.

Wuh oh, here she is.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 03:06:36 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 02:57:05 pm

Again, I said if you were. No matter what your answer was, it wouldn't have given me any hint of what role you were.
Making you seem pretty Scummy yourself. I wasn't going to even going to assume you'd be scum. But just be aware, I have my eye on you.

Well, that's not entirely true. If I had said "I already decided, but I'm not telling you", that would probably have tipped you off that I was a doctor. But as kila said, yeah I was wrong, that's not really role fishing. But fair enough on the second part, I have my eye on nearly everyone at this point. Even kilakan, who try as I might I haven't found much against.

So here's another few questions for the day.

Meanmelter: When dang near everyone is starting to look scummy, what method are you planning to use to sort out who's really scum?
kilakan: Why haven't YOU voted? What are you waiting for?

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Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 03:04:22 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 02:50:39 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 02:48:21 pm

Now, if you were a doctor, who would you defend and why?

I would call you out on role-fishing, but I feel I can provide an answer to this. The answer is I've decided who I can't trust based on the current data, but I'm still not sure who I'm sure I CAN trust. I think that would require a different, private investigation, but then again, I might just end up sure about it anyway by the end of the day.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 02:52:57 pm

Though I will warn that is pretty blatant role-fishing. I'm going to just say you probably don't want to do that I again because even just the way you presented it sounded really scummy. I mean, even if I was or wasn't a doctor, who I would protect is exactly the kind of thing that can help a scum.

No, that's not rolefishing.

It's a hypothetical question designed to give insight into how a player thinks.

Not. Rolefishing.

Quote from: The Wicked Witch of the WIFOM on July 14, 2011, 03:00:56 pm

Were you not listening to me when I said that RVS is for fucking voting?

SO VOTE.  Don't piss me off like this.

Wuh oh, here she is.

Yes yes, my apologies. Even after reading up on it I'm still building my definition of rolefishing.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 03:09:47 pm

If I were to demand that you claim because it was 'obvious' that you were some role, that would be rolefishing.
If I were to politely ask you if you had any information that may be helpful, that would be rolefishing.

Anything that's designed to get a player to reveal role information is rolefishing. The hypothetical RVS questions where people ask what you would do if you were a role are not rolefishing.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 03:11:21 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 03:06:36 pm

kilakan: Why haven't YOU voted? What are you waiting for?

I don't mean to embarrass you but... well yes I kinda do, you really need to actually read through the thread before asking something like that.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

anzki4-Have you read any of the scum hunting guides or are you just winging it? And then what do you mean "if she would have chosen you to become a red spy as well"
anzki4 Is this implying you are a red spy?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 03:14:41 pm

I think the worst part is I already read that and just forgot. Yes, scant few hours after reading it.

I am going to be a really bad at this game if my memory stands as it is. I think I need to take a break, and when I come back, read through again, and then answer/ask more questions.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 03:15:04 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 03:06:36 pm

Meanmelter: When dang near everyone is starting to look scummy, what method are you planning to use to sort out who's really scum?

I plan on seeing who looks the least scummy, and see if I can get him to mess up. After all, Scum are going to be as innocent as possible.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 03:18:34 pm

Just a note, by the way, because I'm still reading fanfic--you need to read through BMXXIV.  Carefully.

See what Max White does to me in that game?  Avoid that.

Scum players drop scumtells.  If your recourse is to lynch the most innocent-looking person--the person who isn't trying too hard to look so, but is aggressive, is diligent, doesn't lurk, doesn't press stupid charges outside of clear reaction testing sessions--you are going to be in a world of hurt.

Don't fall for the damn Too Townie fallacy.  Be smarter than that.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: breadbocks on July 14, 2011, 04:11:14 pm

Oh man, I've gotta beg for a spoilspec on this one.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 04:36:41 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 09:43:37 am

Max White, how would you feel if your teammate betrayed you and lied to you?

Well that depends on the player in question. Townies have little to no reason to lie, so having them trying to deceive would end in facepalm from me. The Doctor and cop have good reason to lie, they are justified in covering their roles, but that isn't a free pass to say what ever they like, as we all have to tr and hunt scum, so it would be nice if they presented facts in this area. Scum aren't exactly my 'team' so not sure if they extend to being in this question, but I would be pretty happy about it, because if I found out about it it most likely means we just lynched one.

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 10:05:35 am

I have a class, but wow--good thing I'm voting you because DON'T FUCKING ROLEFISH.

This, pretty much. The cop and the doc are best hidden from all, so no good can come from you knowing their names. However, there is one thing I would like to clarify on something that didn't come up last game.
Vector: At any point should the cop claim? Would you explain these conditions?

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 10:27:11 am

Everyone except freeformschooler, what's your favorite class and why?

Ever since 4.0, the bard. A class that inherently gives you a reason to sing, rhyme and make puns is al right by me, and they are pretty useful now.
... What? I don't play TF2!

anzki4: Was my answer useful to you? Would it have been more useful if I had given a TF2 class? Will my answer continue to be useful next game I meet you in?

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

Max White-Do you intend to stay as active as you did last game, and if so what will you be doing about lurkers this time?

Yea, should be. Might become a little less active when I get back into work and such, but as it is right now I'm planning to be active beyong hyper.
As for dealing with lurkers...
*Points to Darvi*
I prod Darvi, Darvi prod lurker, ain't no lurker no more!

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:28:16 pm

Max White, what do you think of the happenings of the day?

What I am, your daddy? No, that job goes to Irony. I'm more of your older brother, the cool one, Kilakan is the geeky one.
Oh right, the question.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:56:17 am

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:03:18 am

Freeformschooler, what do you consider your most important line of defense?

My most important line of defense? As in who I consider best to defend me as an organization? I'd say my own team. They've got my back.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 08:30:29 am

freeformschooler, what is your favorite class ?

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 09:43:37 am

Okay Meanmelter is not here so I have a few more questions.

Deadmeat1471, do you feel confident in your ability to spot the scums once one of us has found them?

Max White, how would you feel if your teammate betrayed you and lied to you?

These two posts raised an eyebrow, for their constant use of the word 'team'. Made me think that a brand new mafia player had not realised that everybody except him was on their own. However, replacing the word 'team' with 'town' and 'teammate' with 'townie' seems to make things look a little better, and I'm not going to lynch somebody over not knowing the terminology. But there was still the 'They've got my back.' comment, so I'm going to be watching freeform at least.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:03:54 am

Yes. It's a double edged sword -- if he's not the role I'm taking a wild guess at, I get at least a look at his playstyle. Maybe even spot a scumtell.

??? No, it is not a double edged sword. It is a single edged sword, pointed right at the town, ready to chop our heads off.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 02:05:38 pm

Mainly as opposed to a mod or IC they don't have to answer truthfully and could potentially sabotage your game by giving you purposely bad advice.

Whoa, were this a new player I would be a lot more understanding. Scum IC's are scary, but kilakan, you should know by now as well as I do that when they put on modface, they give only good advice as they see it.
Protip guys: Take the IC's advice to heart. Always. They are two titans standing in a field of men, so winning this game is not their highest priority, but rather making sure you know how to play correctly.
The fact that kilakan is trying to spread some paranoia about the IC's is a bit of a scum tell.

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 03:18:34 pm

See what Max White does to me in that game?  Avoid that.

Love your too Vector.

Jim: Good to see you will still drop in when you can. It is a shame, we have a great big batch of brand new players, right of of the wrapping paper, and no Jim to lynch them.
kilakan: What is your opinion of freeformschooler?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 04:39:49 pm

EDIT: DAMMIT! Protip: Never, ever edit your posts!
From the misquote block.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:28:16 pm

Max White, what do you think of the happenings of the day?

What I am, your daddy? No, that job goes to Irony. I'm more of your older brother, the cool one, Kilakan is the geeky one.
Oh right, the question.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:56:17 am

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:03:18 am

Freeformschooler, what do you consider your most important line of defense?

My most important line of defense? As in who I consider best to defend me as an organization? I'd say my own team. They've got my back.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 08:30:29 am

freeformschooler, what is your favorite class ?

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 09:43:37 am

Okay Meanmelter is not here so I have a few more questions.

Deadmeat1471, do you feel confident in your ability to spot the scums once one of us has found them?

Max White, how would you feel if your teammate betrayed you and lied to you?

These two posts raised an eyebrow, for their constant use of the word 'team'. Made me think that a brand new mafia player had not realised that everybody except him was on their own. However, replacing the word 'team' with 'town' and 'teammate' with 'townie' seems to make things look a little better, and I'm not going to lynch somebody over not knowing the terminology. But there was still the 'They've got my back.' comment, so I'm going to be watching freeform at least.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:03:54 am

Yes. It's a double edged sword -- if he's not the role I'm taking a wild guess at, I get at least a look at his playstyle. Maybe even spot a scumtell.

??? No, it is not a double edged sword. It is a single edged sword, pointed right at the town, ready to chop our heads off.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 02:05:38 pm

Mainly as opposed to a mod or IC they don't have to answer truthfully and could potentially sabotage your game by giving you purposely bad advice.

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Whoa, were this a new player I would be a lot more understanding. Scum IC's are scary, but kilakan, you should know by now as well as I do that when they put on modface, they give only good advice as they see it.
Protip guys: Take the IC's advice to heart. Always. They are two titans standing in a field of men, so winning this game is not their highest priority, but rather making sure you know how to play correctly.
The fact that kilakan is trying to spread some paranoia about the IC's is a bit of a scum tell.

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 03:18:34 pm

See what Max White does to me in that game?  Avoid that.

Love your too Vector.

Jim: Good to see you will still drop in when you can. It is a shame, we have a great big batch of brand new players, right of of the wrapping paper, and no Jim to lynch them.
kilakan: What is your opinion of freeformschooler?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 05:01:01 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 04:39:49 pm

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:28:16 pm

Max White, what do you think of the happenings of the day?

What I am, your daddy? No, that job goes to Irony. I'm more of your older brother, the cool one, Kilakan is the geeky one.
Oh right, the question.

What? Why would you say that? Even if there are humorous forum in-shenanigans, I believe anzki4 was still asking you a genuine question. If he had asked me what I thought I probably would have given a summation of my thoughts on the events, and used it as a great way to provide a person scumtell recap, like for instance:

Max White:
-Very helpful, but looks to be trying to stay neutral to a lot of previous happenings
-Dodges away from a simple question than any town would happily answer.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:04:26 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 04:39:49 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 02:05:38 pm

Mainly as opposed to a mod or IC they don't have to answer truthfully and could potentially sabotage your game by giving you purposely bad advice.

Whoa, were this a new player I would be a lot more understanding. Scum IC's are scary, but kilakan, you should know by now as well as I do that when they put on modface, they give only good advice as they see it.
Protip guys: Take the IC's advice to heart. Always. They are two titans standing in a field of men, so winning this game is not their highest priority, but rather making sure you know how to play correctly.
The fact that kilakan is trying to spread some paranoia about the IC's is a bit of a scum tell.

The hell you talking about Willis?  I was saying that the IC's and mods don't lie when asked a direct question about game-play, but another person (aka anzki4 who answered a question directed towards Vector and then one directed towards Darvi) would not have to give honest advice and could affect your game-play.  I suppose this is another case of my bad grammar speaking again.

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 04:39:49 pm

kilakan: What is your opinion of freeformschooler?

Well he seems to be attempting to emotionally buddy me due to agreeing with everything I say, and then attacking the person I was attacking using similar questions as my own.  Though in a non-begginner game I would call him scum for it, I think here it's more a case of him trying to learn by 'kind-of' copying others.  Where it's not exactly bandwaggoning, or exactly parroting but kinda acting as the other person would.  Of course I don't know much to anything about him so it may very well be that he is similar to me. *shudders*

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 05:01:01 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 04:39:49 pm

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:28:16 pm

Max White, what do you think of the happenings of the day?

What I am, your daddy? No, that job goes to Irony. I'm more of your older brother, the cool one, Kilakan is the geeky one.
Oh right, the question.

What? Why would you say that? Even if there are humorous forum in-shenanigans, I believe anzki4 was still asking you a genuine question. If he had asked me what I thought I probably would have given a summation of my thoughts on the events, and used it as a great way to provide a person scumtell recap, like for instance:

Max White:
-Very helpful, but looks to be trying to stay neutral to a lot of previous happenings
-Dodges away from a simple question than any town would happily answer.

It was a bloody stupid question to ask, if you want a serious answer you should ask about a particular player or scenario not a summation.  This is ESPECIALLY WRONG when you want a summation of the bloody RVS stage.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:06:25 pm

Wait a sec I'm the geeky brother?!   Ok well you are right.  Also
Vector-Non-serious question but this has been bugging me for about an hour, what type of vampire fanfiction are you reading?  Dracula or something like twilight?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 05:01:01 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 04:39:49 pm

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:28:16 pm

Max White, what do you think of the happenings of the day?

What I am, your daddy? No, that job goes to Irony. I'm more of your older brother, the cool one, Kilakan is the geeky one.
Oh right, the question.

What? Why would you say that? Even if there are humorous forum in-shenanigans, I believe anzki4 was still asking you a genuine question. If he had asked me what I thought I probably would have given a summation of my thoughts on the events, and used it as a great way to provide a person scumtell recap, like for instance:

Max White:
-Very helpful, but looks to be trying to stay neutral to a lot of previous happenings
-Dodges away from a simple question than any town would happily answer.

He did answer the question, look at his second post. Everything below it mainly.
I change my previous vote to a new vote on freeformschooler
Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:08:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Not to answer for him but I can't resist.  Why don't you tell me?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:09:08 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:08:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Not to answer for him but I can't resist.  Why don't you tell me?

Fine. Kilakan, why should I change this vote?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:12:56 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:09:08 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:08:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Not to answer for him but I can't resist.  Why don't you tell me?

Fine. Kilakan, why should I change this vote?

You need to lay off on the snarky responses boy-o.  But since you asked, I'd say you changed the vote in a retaliation for him voting you, and you not being able to worm your way out of it, so you are voting him in the hopes he scares easily and will back off.  Something I'd say is a pretty god damn scummy move.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 05:13:56 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:04:26 pm

The hell you talking about Willis?  I was saying that the IC's and mods don't lie when asked a direct question about game-play, but another person (aka anzki4 who answered a question directed towards Vector and then one directed towards Darvi) would not have to give honest advice and could affect your game-play.  I suppose this is another case of my bad grammar speaking again.

Ah, I see. Must have misread that then. Ok.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:04:26 pm

It was a bloody stupid question to ask, if you want a serious answer you should ask about a particular player or scenario not a summation.  This is ESPECIALLY WRONG when you want a summation of the bloody RVS stage.

It was a pretty good question, I just wanted to make it clear that he can't depend on my opinion, he should perceive me as potential scum. Although it could have been a test of some sort, it felt a little more like looking for reassurance.

PREPOST-EDIT: Ninjas, damn.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 05:14:17 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

That's a terrible question to ask and a terrible reason to vote for somebody, even in the RVS.

Why?

It's completely reasonless. You can't do anything without reasons in this game.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 05:14:47 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

For one, I'm trying my darndest to hunt here. I'm having trouble finding scumtells on specific people, but that may just be because I'm new. Kilakan thinks I'm trying to be buddy buddy with him (and it's true I'm trying to learn a little from him) but as I've stated in a previous post I just can't find much of anything that leads me to believe he's scum.

But the fact that you voted me doesn't concern me as much as why your vote appears to be random. If you were town you would give at least a couple of scumtells to show why you decided that. Scum would just happily vote on the person they believe could get them lynched down the road, scumtells or not. Plus, there's the fact that I was the first person who voted for you, and it seems like you're retaliating.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 05:15:47 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:06:25 pm

Vector-Non-serious question but this has been bugging me for about an hour, what type of vampire fanfiction are you reading?  Dracula or something like twilight?

Hellsing, which is an anime/manga set in modern times, but largely keeping the spirit of (Stoker's) Dracula in my opinion.

I've read Twilight due to a number of rather terrible circumstances, but I prefer my vampires bloodthirsty, inhuman, and well-nigh uncontrollable.  Sympathetic monsters are okay, but man... no sparkling, no falling for spineless wretches, no "oh my gahhh this is so sexy."

Vampirism done right should feed fetishes, but they aren't pleasant ones.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

I change my previous vote to a new vote on freeformschooler
Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Let me help you with this one.

What, precisely, are you trying to get out of this question?  I want a full answer.  None of this "whyy don't you tell me" bullshit: I'm doing this for IC purposes.


FUCKING NINJAS SCREWING EVERYWHERE

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: breadbocks on July 14, 2011, 05:15:52 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:12:56 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:09:08 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:08:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Not to answer for him but I can't resist.  Why don't you tell me?

Fine. Kilakan, why should I change this vote?

You need to lay off on the snarky responses boy-o.  But since you asked, I'd say you changed the vote in a retaliation for him voting you, and you not being able to worm your way out of it, so you are voting him in the hopes he scares easily and will back off.  Something I'd say is a pretty god damn scummy move.

Wait wait wait. He does what you ask and you call him out for it?

LOL

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 05:17:07 pm

Quote from: breadbocks on July 14, 2011, 05:15:52 pm

Wait wait wait. He does what you ask and you call him out for it?

LOL

*points thumb over shoulder*

Out.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 05:18:05 pm

Meanmelter: Justify yourself. Also, what is your opinion of Kilikan?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:19:58 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 05:18:05 pm

Meanmelter: Justify yourself. Also, what is your opinion of Kilikan?

I don't mind you using me as your go-to guy for what do you think of him, but after last game and 10 pages of this game can you at least start spelling my name right?  It's kil a kan not kil i kan.  thanks.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 05:22:07 pm

-_-
DAMMIT MAN! I make typos spelling my own name! Seriously though, it is like 83 syllabus long, what is with that? I can't be expected to get all my vowels right!

Fine... I'll pay closer attention to that next time.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:24:11 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 05:15:47 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

I change my previous vote to a new vote on freeformschooler
Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Let me help you with this one.

What, precisely, are you trying to get out of this question?  I want a full answer.  None of this "whyy don't you tell me" bullshit: I'm doing this for IC purposes.

I was going to see if he was going to state that he was not a scum or say something relevant to that. Perhaps even vote against someone else and accuse them of being scum. IT is RVS. I can change as I please. I believe.
I wasn't retaliating or anything. Infact, I could have swore he changed his vote after voting for me. But I guess not.

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 05:18:05 pm

Meanmelter: Justify yourself. Also, what is your opinion of Kilakan?

I currently don't have an opinion. Other than the fact I did what he asked me to do and told me to change my attitude. He's either trying to make enemies or just very sensitive.

SO MANY NINJA'S OMG WHAT IS THIS ASSASSIN'S CREED?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:27:39 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:24:11 pm

I currently don't have an opinion. Other than the fact I did what he asked me to do and told me to change my attitude. He's either trying to make enemies or just very sensitive.

I meant why don't you tell me why you changed your vote with no explanation at all.  I did not tell you to ask me, I asked you to tell me.   Now my grammar is bad but I KNOW that means that I want you to tell me why you suddenly changed your vote.

That was a fucking mouth-full.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 05:31:57 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:24:11 pm

I was going to see if he was going to state that he was not a scum or say something relevant to that. Perhaps even vote against someone else and accuse them of being scum. IT is RVS. I can change as I please. I believe.
I wasn't retaliating or anything. Infact, I could have swore he changed his vote after voting for me. But I guess not.

I did change my vote, it's been different for quite some time. But the way you popped into the thread and reacted so hostilely, up to the point where you changed your vote without providing a good reason (remember: scum just want someone lynched), made you sound both reactionary and scummy.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:39:39 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 05:31:57 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:24:11 pm

I was going to see if he was going to state that he was not a scum or say something relevant to that. Perhaps even vote against someone else and accuse them of being scum. IT is RVS. I can change as I please. I believe.
I wasn't retaliating or anything. Infact, I could have swore he changed his vote after voting for me. But I guess not.

I did change my vote, it's been different for quite some time. But the way you popped into the thread and reacted so hostilely, up to the point where you changed your vote without providing a good reason (remember: scum just want someone lynched), made you sound both reactionary and scummy.

I'm sure a scum would rather have a Cop or a Doctor lynched instead of a regular townie. So if I was scum, I'm doing a bad job at it.
Let's not forget something...

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:56:17 am

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:03:18 am

Freeformschooler, what do you consider your most important line of defense?

My most important line of defense? As in who I consider best to defend me as an organization? I'd say my own team. They've got my back.

Your team? You have a team?
Freeformschooler-Who is on your team?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 14, 2011, 05:43:00 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:39:39 pm

I'm sure a scum would rather have a Cop or a Doctor lynched instead of a regular townie. So if I was scum, I'm doing a bad job at it.

You know, I was thinking that what freeform said made sense, glad you were there to correct me on exactly how scum thinks.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 05:45:15 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:39:39 pm

Your team? You have a team?
Freeformschooler-Who is on your team?

Darvi, of course!

But no, you would already know the answer if you've read the whole thread.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:54:31 am

1. Asking what my best line of defense is sounded like a scumtell-hunting fluff question, so I answered with more fluff.

Oh, right.

Quote

I'm sure a scum would rather have a Cop or a Doctor lynched instead of a regular townie. So if I was scum, I'm doing a bad job at it.
Let's not forget something...

That doesn't change anything, because it's the first turn, where scum will, in addition to wanting anything lynched that's not them, not know who's a cop or who's a doctor. My initial response of "reactionary and scummy" still stands.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 05:45:55 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:39:39 pm

I'm sure a scum would rather have a Cop or a Doctor lynched instead of a regular townie. So if I was scum, I'm doing a bad job at it.

The important thing is not "if you'd be doing a bad job of it."  No matter your alignment, you are currently doing a bad job of it.

Don't defend yourself by saying "but if I were scum, I'd do something else!"  That's a statement that folds like tissue paper.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:52:29 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 05:45:55 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:39:39 pm

I'm sure a scum would rather have a Cop or a Doctor lynched instead of a regular townie. So if I was scum, I'm doing a bad job at it.

The important thing is not "if you'd be doing a bad job of it."  No matter your alignment, you are currently doing a bad job of it.

Is this your way of saying 'Your tactics are shitty and you should really change your plans before you move on?'

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:54:11 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:52:29 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 05:45:55 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:39:39 pm

I'm sure a scum would rather have a Cop or a Doctor lynched instead of a regular townie. So if I was scum, I'm doing a bad job at it.

The important thing is not "if you'd be doing a bad job of it."  No matter your alignment, you are currently doing a bad job of it.

Is this your way of saying 'Your tactics are shitty and you should really change your plans before you move on?'

So now you are getting uppity and snarky with an IC.  Wow you must have metaphorical balls of steel.


Also don't forget there's not always a cop or a Doctor, there can be games where no one has special rolls.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 05:56:17 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:52:29 pm

Is this your way of saying 'Your tactics are shitty and you should really change your plans before you move on?'

It's my way of saying that your defense is moot in terms of your alignment.  "If I were scum, I'd be doing a bad job of it!  I can't be scum!"  Well, if you're town, you'd be doing a bad job of it--so you can't be town?  This is just terrible logic all-round.

You're deflecting.  Deflection is bad.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:54:11 pm

So now you are getting uppity and snarky with an IC.  Wow you must have metaphorical balls of steel.

Meanmelter can take the piss as much as he or she wants.  Eventually 'e'll discover why it was a bad idea.

... Eventually :]

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 05:58:30 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 01:53:20 pm

Quote

Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?

By not backstabbing you.

Let me get this clear Meanmelter, do you think that "not backstabbing us" is same as "protecting us"?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 06:01:18 pm

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 05:58:30 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 01:53:20 pm

Quote

Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?

By not backstabbing you.

Let me get this clear Meanmelter, do you think that "not backstabbing us" is same as "protecting us"?

Yes. Because I'm causing no harm to anyone. Although, it's not really protecting is it?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:02:33 pm

Unvote.

Meanmelter, are you scum?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: breadbocks on July 14, 2011, 06:02:39 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 05:56:17 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:54:11 pm

So now you are getting uppity and snarky with an IC.  Wow you must have metaphorical balls of steel.

Meanmelter can take the piss as much as he or she wants.  Eventually 'e'll discover why it was a bad idea.

His profile says he's male.

Yeah, yeah, I know which way the door is.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 06:04:01 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 06:01:18 pm

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 05:58:30 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 01:53:20 pm

Quote

Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?

By not backstabbing you.

Let me get this clear Meanmelter, do you think that "not backstabbing us" is same as "protecting us"?

Yes. Because I'm causing no harm to anyone. Although, it's not really protecting is it?

I Actually facepalmed on this one.  If you are town you want to harm the scum that's how you 'protect yourself' the only way to could actually do a good job by 'not harming anyone' is if you are scum so you can get your hurt on at night.  This isn't a game about rainbows and butterflies boys, this is a game about brutality, gruesome deaths and being suspicious of everything that moves.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:04:18 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 03:03:52 pm

Deadmeat1471 Care to explain who you'd accuse of being total scum at this point?

I was asleep, thats the reason  :P

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 06:06:05 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:02:33 pm

Unvote.

Meanmelter, are you scum?

Nope. Although I'm sure me just saying no isn't going to cut it.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:07:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 06:06:05 pm

Nope. Although I'm sure me just saying no isn't going to cut it.

I was checking how long it took you to respond, hehe.

But no, I think I'd like to learn some things about you.  In a while.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:10:58 pm

Upon inspection of the days events, I aim my vote at Kilaken partially due to his overly defensive rhetoric.

I ask, why are you being so defensive at such an early stage? are you just an angry person?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:11:54 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:04:18 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 03:03:52 pm

Deadmeat1471 Care to explain who you'd accuse of being total scum at this point?

I was asleep, thats the reason  :P

Sorry about this, didnt read it properly just woke up.

The answer is in my previous post now, as are the reasons.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:13:22 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:10:58 pm

Upon inspection of the days events, I aim my vote at Kilaken partially due to his overly defensive rhetoric.

I ask, why are you being so defensive at such an early stage? are you just an angry person?

Your case would be helped with citations, so that the rest of us can see him being defensive.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: webadict on July 14, 2011, 06:14:28 pm

The radio cackles to life, as well as cackles at you for several minutes before finally responding.

This is 1337 h4xX0r w3b4d1c7, captain of RED team.

Hey BLUs! Hahahahaha! So I figured I'd start negotiating your surrender. Here's what RED team wants:

First, I want that suitcase-*snap*-all of your base to belong to me.
Third, the remaining living BLUs mus-*shhhhckt*-the head.
Four-*crackle*-cream sundaes for ever-*bssscht*-colate sauce.

If you don't agree to these terms, I'll have the RED guys shoot you in the head. And als-*pop*-the kneecaps.

Suck it, BLUs!

RED leader, standing by.

The radio dies down.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 06:15:27 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:10:58 pm

Upon inspection of the days events, I aim my vote at Kilaken partially due to his overly defensive rhetoric.

I ask, why are you being so defensive at such an early stage? are you just an angry person?

I'd like quotes and points of where you would consider me to be overly defensive. 
Frankly Yes I can be an angry person, what's your point?

Also not being defensive enough could lead to a myslynch which hurts the town, it's better to do away with the suspicions or properly explain yourself the first time. 

FUCKDAMN NINJA'S three of you really?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:17:19 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:13:22 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:10:58 pm

Upon inspection of the days events, I aim my vote at Kilaken partially due to his overly defensive rhetoric.

I ask, why are you being so defensive at such an early stage? are you just an angry person?

Your case would be helped with citations, so that the rest of us can see him being defensive.

I have relooked over his posts, and decided he is just being aggressive not defensive, unvote Kilaken. I see no real reason anymore, but I do suspect kilaken for his early aggressiveness in arguing despite the early stage.

What do you think of him vector?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 06:18:47 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 06:15:27 pm

Also not being defensive enough could lead to a myslynch which hurts the town, it's better to do away with the suspicions or properly explain yourself the first time.

Really? Because I'm sure a town would think differently. A town wouldn't care as much about defending everything in detail, since they know they're town and have less to be worried about, unless they're about to be lynched, which at no point was your situation. A town would be more focused an aggressively ATTACKING everything in detail.

But then again, your aggressiveness far outweighs your defensiveness.

NINJAS

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 06:20:02 pm

I'm always pretty aggressive, but I'm really trying to be more controlled this game.
Deadmeat-Just because you unvoted me doesn't mean I don't still want to see quotes of things I've said that strike you as scummy.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:21:34 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:17:19 pm

I have relooked over his posts, and decided he is just being aggressive not defensive, unvote Kilaken. I see no real reason anymore, but I do suspect kilaken for his early aggressiveness in arguing despite the early stage.

What do you think of him vector?

I think you voted for no reason, which means you were building a meatless case without even the intention to press--and now you're asking me to do your dirty work for you.  Scumbucket.

Personally, I don't have a read on him yet.  I am getting more of an idea about you, though.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 06:28:34 pm

Flintus10: You haven't posted once yet, and the deadline is this much closer. I know you said you were sleeping but surely you are awake by now, or will be very soon. Or are you just lurking and covering it up with "sleep"?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:29:22 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 06:20:02 pm

I'm always pretty aggressive, but I'm really trying to be more controlled this game.
Deadmeat-Just because you unvoted me doesn't mean I don't still want to see quotes of things I've said that strike you as scummy.

Pretty much all of your previous posts have been aggressive, I wasn't referring to any one or two in particular.
Also I am not sure you were acting scummy, or aggressively trying to hunt out the scumbags, hence the unvote.
My secondary reason was also a random vote, and you got my attention by the said behavior.

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:21:34 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:17:19 pm

I have relooked over his posts, and decided he is just being aggressive not defensive, unvote Kilaken. I see no real reason anymore, but I do suspect kilaken for his early aggressiveness in arguing despite the early stage.

What do you think of him vector?

I think you voted for no reason, which means you were building a meatless case without even the intention to press--and now you're asking me to do your dirty work for you.  Scumbucket.

Personally, I don't have a read on him yet.  I am getting more of an idea about you, though.

I'd say rather the logic was flawed, personally I am desperately trying to find someone to point the finger at to pressure them, but i' coming up short on ideas.

Flintus10 looks a bit lurkey to me.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:30:30 pm

So of course you turn to lurkers--because you can't see a case on anyone but the suggestion offered in the post before yours?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:31:56 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:30:30 pm

So of course you turn to lurkers--because you can't see a case on anyone but the suggestion offered in the post before yours?

It worked for Hitler. To be honest I want to wait and see. I don't see anyone acting dodgy at the moment, and until I do I will vote randomly and avoid bandwagons.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:32:39 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:31:56 pm

It worked for Hitler.

. . .

Wow, that's not the person to compare yourself to.  Smooth running.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 06:33:03 pm

Ya pick on the guy who logged off 4 minutes before the game started.  Cause having a good nights sleep and maybe something to do the next day is totally suspicious.

Maybe you should attack someone who could actually give you an answer, or are we looking for the easy way out now Deadmeat?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:33:16 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:32:39 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:31:56 pm

It worked for Hitler.

. . .

Wow, that's not the person to compare yourself to.  Smooth running.

You don't like vegitarians?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 06:33:24 pm

goddamn really?  Triple ninja just typing that?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 06:33:42 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:29:22 pm

Flintus10 looks a bit lurkey to me.

Sounds more like popping under pressure and band-wagoning.

Also, don't tell vector but I love that you compared YOURSELF to hitler.

7 NINJAS OH MY

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 06:34:23 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 06:18:47 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 06:15:27 pm

Also not being defensive enough could lead to a myslynch which hurts the town, it's better to do away with the suspicions or properly explain yourself the first time.

Really? Because I'm sure a town would think differently. A town wouldn't care as much about defending everything in detail, since they know they're town and have less to be worried about, unless they're about to be lynched, which at no point was your situation. A town would be more focused an aggressively ATTACKING everything in detail.

But then again, your aggressiveness far outweighs your defensiveness.

NINJAS

Heh, you think the town has less to worry about because they're town.

Heh.

Being town isn't a free ticket to NeverBeSuspectedville. Town have to be careful to avoid suspicion as well. Mostly this is accomplished by scumhunting and answering questions posed to them quickly and transparently.

It's a fun dance. The town have to be careful about the way they look, but they can't be more concerned with that than they are with finding scum, otherwise, they look scummy. Finding scum is paramount.

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:31:56 pm

It worked for Hitler.

I think this is the first time a mafia game's ever been Godwinned. First time I've seen it anyway. I'm surprised it took this long.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 06:34:42 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:29:22 pm

Flintus10 looks a bit lurkey to me.

Love having your dirty work cut out for you now don't you? Seem's like a total scum move.

Four damn ninja's. Man, I have bad Observe skill.
Oh my god, another ninja.
6 ninja's. Man.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:35:21 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:33:16 pm

You don't like vegitarians?

I am a vegetarian.

What I hate is fascists.  This should have been obvious to you from context, which makes me think that you were deflecting.  Again.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:35:29 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 06:33:03 pm

Ya pick on the guy who logged off 4 minutes before the game started.  Cause having a good nights sleep and maybe something to do the next day is totally suspicious.

Maybe you should attack someone who could actually give you an answer, or are we looking for the easy way out now Deadmeat?

He will give an answer when he returns.

I'm not discounting the guy whos currently lurking as an innocent, I will wait and see his response first.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 06:35:44 pm

Did the thread just get Godwin'd ?

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 05:45:15 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:39:39 pm

Your team? You have a team?
Freeformschooler-Who is on your team?

Darvi, of course!

I never was really on your side...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 06:36:40 pm

Quote from: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 06:35:44 pm

Did the thread just get Godwin'd ?

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 05:45:15 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:39:39 pm

Your team? You have a team?
Freeformschooler-Who is on your team?

Darvi, of course!

I never was really on your side...

Darvi is a spy!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:37:19 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:35:29 pm

He will give an answer when he returns.

I'm not discounting the guy whos currently lurking as an innocent, I will wait and see his response first.

Gives you time to do nothing and figure out how to dig yourself out of this hole in the interim, right?

Wrong.  Read the game and ask questions of people.  Get playing.  I'm not going to let you sidestep your way out of the trap you've laid for yourself.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 06:38:22 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:35:29 pm

He will give an answer when he returns.

I'm not discounting the guy whos currently lurking as an innocent, I will wait and see his response first.

Not being available =/= Lurking.

The game started today. It's still a little early to be calling people lurkers. Consider also that people have lives that do not revolve around arguing with a bunch of assholes on the Internet.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 06:39:04 pm

This. Some people have to argue with a bunch of arseholes in real life.

And now I hope that none of my parents will ever read this post.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 06:39:45 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 06:38:22 pm

Consider also that people have lives that do not revolve around arguing with a bunch of assholes on the Internet.

I hate spamming the mafia topic but you won my new signature.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:40:07 pm

Quote from: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 06:39:04 pm

This. Some people have to argue with a bunch of arseholes in real life.

Some people make being an asshole almost a profession.

*raises hand*

I get tired of it, too, so sometimes I take a break from one game or another to do different stuff.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 06:40:27 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 06:38:22 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:35:29 pm

He will give an answer when he returns.

I'm not discounting the guy whos currently lurking as an innocent, I will wait and see his response first.

Not being available =/= Lurking.

The game started today. It's still a little early to be calling people lurkers. Consider also that people have lives that do not revolve around arguing with a bunch of assholes on the Internet.

Wait what? A Person playing Mafia on the Bay12 forums with a life? It's like a dream come true.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:43:31 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:37:19 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:35:29 pm

He will give an answer when he returns.

I'm not discounting the guy whos currently lurking as an innocent, I will wait and see his response first.

Gives you time to do nothing and figure out how to dig yourself out of this hole in the interim, right?

Wrong.  Read the game and ask questions of people.  Get playing.  I'm not going to let you sidestep your way out of the trap you've laid for yourself.

I have read it, I have no suspicions yet, and this is one person who has had little attention paid to him as of yet. I don't think Kilaken is scum, he seems to be sincerely hunting out the scum.
I don't see you as scum, you merely jumped on my poor reasoning about kilaken.
Freeform looks legit to me.
As for the rest, I have yet to see any real substance.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 06:38:22 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:35:29 pm

He will give an answer when he returns.

I'm not discounting the guy whos currently lurking as an innocent, I will wait and see his response first.

Not being available =/= Lurking.

The game started today. It's still a little early to be calling people lurkers. Consider also that people have lives that do not revolve around arguing with a bunch of assholes on the Internet.

I wasn't accusing him of being a scumbag, I was simply saying I have yet to hear from him, and I'd like to hear his story before I proceed.
I too was busy/asleep for most of the first day.

Quote from: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 06:39:04 pm

This. Some people have to argue with a bunch of arseholes in real life.

And now I hope that none of my parents will ever read this post.

Go tidy your room son.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 06:40:27 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 06:38:22 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:35:29 pm

He will give an answer when he returns.

I'm not discounting the guy whos currently lurking as an innocent, I will wait and see his response first.

Not being available =/= Lurking.

The game started today. It's still a little early to be calling people lurkers. Consider also that people have lives that do not revolve around arguing with a bunch of assholes on the Internet.

Wait what? A Person playing Mafia on the Bay12 forums with a life? It's like a dream come true.

I don't see this ever happening.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:44:44 pm

p.s. sorry for not spoilering the quotes.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:45:38 pm

I have to admit that the person I most want to hear from right now is IronyOwl.

I really want to hear a lot of bold statements with beautiful vigor.  Yes, delicious.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 06:45:51 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:43:31 pm

Go tidy your room son.

That would be almost believable if me dad wasn't in Moscow right now :V

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 06:46:54 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:44:44 pm

p.s. sorry for not spoilering the quotes.

Not spoilering the quotes is normally what happens.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:48:23 pm

Quote from: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 06:45:51 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:43:31 pm

Go tidy your room son.

That would be almost believable if me dad wasn't in Moscow right now :V

пойдите опрятные ваш сын комнаты.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:59:31 pm

... That is some hilariously bad Russian.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:01:48 pm

Deadmeat1471: You are still voting for Finkus, knowing well enough that you have a piss poor chance of voting for scum by doing so unless he shows up. Since you're still active, I'm assuming you've read the whole thread by now, so what's up with not finding anybody that looks scummy? Especially one that, after finding himself voted for just once by me, mostly resigned himself to being inactive?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:06:05 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:01:48 pm

Deadmeat1471: You are still voting for Finkus, knowing well enough that you have a piss poor chance of voting for scum by doing so unless he shows up. Since you're still active, I'm assuming you've read the whole thread by now, so what's up with not finding anybody that looks scummy? Especially one that, after finding himself voted for just once by me, mostly resigned himself to being inactive?

Well I don't suspect any of the currently active people. Rightly or wrongly. I can't make a decision until I have all the information on people possible. I will take that under advisement though, that guy looks abit suspicious.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: breadbocks on July 14, 2011, 07:09:19 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:59:31 pm

... That is some hilariously bad Russian.

Google translate suggests it came directly from google translate. It went back into english perfectly.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 07:11:11 pm

You will get more mileage if you accompany your lurker-vote with questioning and so on.

And not of the "why should I remove my vote" sort, either.

Quote from: breadbocks on July 14, 2011, 07:09:19 pm

Google translate suggests it came directly from google translate. It went back into english perfectly.

That doesn't mean it makes good sense in the target language.

It says "the room of your son," for example.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:13:03 pm

Mr Finkus, who do you suspect and why?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:13:47 pm

This is an announcement!

Flintus10 -2- anzki4, Deadmeat1471
anzki4 -2- freeformschooler, kilakan
freeformschooler -1- Meanmelter
Meanmelter -1- Vector

Not voting: Max White, IronyOwl, Flintus10

---

His name's Flintus. Just as an aside.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:14:24 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:01:48 pm

Deadmeat1471: You are still voting for Finkus, knowing well enough that you have a piss poor chance of voting for scum by doing so unless he shows up. Since you're still active, I'm assuming you've read the whole thread by now, so what's up with not finding anybody that looks scummy? Especially one that, after finding himself voted for just once by me, mostly resigned himself to being inactive?

You know that voting for lurkers is actually a decent chance.  Being a major lurker is a pretty big scumtell.  So in that essence I would suggest trying to push your case on  the person who folded so badly after you voted for him.  Go through the quotes and compile a sheet on him and why deadmeat should be voting for this person.

Also it's flintus.  There is no such person as Finkus so stop bloody calling him that it's confusing and annoying.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:15:00 pm

Max white isn't actually voting me Darvi, that was a joke vote before the game even started. 

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:15:39 pm

Quote

His name's Flintus. Just as an aside.

woops  :P

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:15:48 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:14:24 pm

Also it's flintus.  There is no such person as Finkus so stop bloody calling him that it's confusing and annoying.

Heheh. Somebody has a pet peeve here.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:15:00 pm

Max white isn't actually voting me Darvi, that was a joke vote before the game even started. 

No idea what you're talking about.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:17:34 pm

You should edit your posts before saying that you have no idea what I'm talking about i was confused as hell there for 20 seconds until I decided to refresh the page.

Which makes me realize.

Max White-Why  the hell are you NOT voting anyone.  You skipped the RVS stage completely and didn't post a vote.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:19:10 pm

Unvote.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:22:52 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:19:10 pm

Unvote.

Holy hell of  a fucking easy fold.  No one told you to remove it without any points otherwise.  In a case like this it would be only normal if you unvoted with a god damn reason or do you need to ask me what I think are your reasons for the unvote?

Because I think you just fucking folded like wet origami, you scum.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:24:29 pm

So because that was such a fucking bad move.
Unvote
Vote Meanmelter
FoS Still on anzki4

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:26:43 pm

Meanmelter-Try to prove to me you are not scum and that you didn't just fold to please and attempt to get everyone off of you.

I also need to start thinking for a minute before posting but the amount of ninjas lately kinda threw me into turbo mode.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:27:20 pm

Sure you're not just trying to bump your postcount?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:27:54 pm

Because that's kinda what I'd do in such a situation.
Eheheh :P

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:28:37 pm

Not really if I was concerned with that I'd post in the what's happening threads more..... or do you mean you are going to be using one of those bot things again?   

grr you ninjaed me with that too.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:29:43 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:22:52 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:19:10 pm

Unvote.

Holy hell of  a fucking easy fold.  No one told you to remove it without any points otherwise.  In a case like this it would be only normal if you unvoted with a god damn reason or do you need to ask me what I think are your reasons for the unvote?

Because I think you just fucking folded like wet origami, you scum.

The hell is a fold? And since when do I need 'points' to unvote for something? I already said I voted at him to see if he would crack up but he didn't.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:26:43 pm

Meanmelter-Try to prove to me you are not scum and that you didn't just fold to please and attempt to get everyone off of you.

I also need to start thinking for a minute before posting but the amount of ninjas lately kinda threw me into turbo mode.

Again, what is folding?

Quote from: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:27:20 pm

Sure you're not just trying to bump your postcount?

Haha, no.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:32:48 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:14:24 pm

Also it's flintus.  There is no such person as Finkus so stop bloody calling him that it's confusing and annoying.

Actually there is in fact a Finkus I just keep getting confused.

On to the anzki4 case:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote

freeformschooler, what is your favorite class ?

Meanmelter, which is better color, red or blue?

First obviously this was this. Normally this isn't a big deal but when kilakan called him out on it he responded like so:

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I am probably not gonna gain nothing for those crappy random questions, but ya never know before you try.

And if he knows they're crappy and random, he could have lead with questions that were more useful. So it looks like he was trying to start the game by just doing anything to divert attention to himself.

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Flintus10, you were picked up by the lady luck. Tell me, if she would have chosen you to become a red spy as well, what would be your strategy ?

More useful questions, he was called out on the wording but I believe he was still just diverting attention, especially by unvoting VERY quickly after being responded to, as opposed to pressing for more information (shades of not caring who to vote for).

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"As well" was referring to the fact that lady luck chose him/her for random vote.

As for the other point, define "winging it."

And here we get to the good stuff. He starts here a trend of just avoiding stuff. It starts out light but leads into this:

Quote

Quote from: kilakan on Today at 10:44:46 am

anzki4 Is this implying you are a red spy?

You tell me.

Which was a clear dodge and a bad answer entirely. So early in the game, without much evidence against him, he could have easily just said "no".

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I know that I am not a scum, but however I do not know what my actions imply* to him.

This is something that really bothered me. A good scum would have just said "I'm not scum" as opposed to "I know that I am not scum", which with the haughty attitude sounds scummy to me, like he feels he has to make other people know how sure he is of himself.

Directly after, instead of pressing someone for scumtells like a town would do, he said this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote

Then back to questioning:

Max White, what do you think of the happenings of the day?

Which seems more like just directing attention away, and at this point in the game a lot like he didn't care to scumhunt in the first place. In fact, he has done considerably less pressing and considerably more time-wasting than a lot of the other folk.

And then I just don't understand this:

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Let me get this clear Meanmelter, do you think that "not backstabbing us" is same as "protecting us"?

When clearly not backstabbing is a legitimate form of protecting.

Then there's the fact he was so active then resigned to being inactive around the time I voted for him. To top it all off, there's also how he NEVER CHANGED his vote from Flintus10, a lurker/inactive dude, even though he was one of the most active members earlier on, and thus could more reasonably spot scumtells just from the amount of reading.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:34:33 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:29:43 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:22:52 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:19:10 pm

Unvote.

Holy hell of  a fucking easy fold.  No one told you to remove it without any points otherwise.  In a case like this it would be only normal if you unvoted with a god damn reason or do you need to ask me what I think are your reasons for the unvote?

Because I think you just fucking folded like wet origami, you scum.

The hell is a fold? And since when do I need 'points' to unvote for something? I already said I voted at him to see if he would crack up but he didn't.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:26:43 pm

Meanmelter-Try to prove to me you are not scum and that you didn't just fold to please and attempt to get everyone off of you.

I also need to start thinking for a minute before posting but the amount of ninjas lately kinda threw me into turbo mode.

Again, what is folding?

Quote from: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:27:20 pm

Sure you're not just trying to bump your postcount?

Haha, no.

holy crap I totally fucked up.   I thought it was you voting for flintus, it wasn't you it was deadmeat.

Wow I really screwed up, in that case folding does not apply to you.

Unvote Meanmelter
Vote anzki4

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:36:42 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:34:33 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:29:43 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:22:52 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:19:10 pm

Unvote.

Holy hell of  a fucking easy fold.  No one told you to remove it without any points otherwise.  In a case like this it would be only normal if you unvoted with a god damn reason or do you need to ask me what I think are your reasons for the unvote?

Because I think you just fucking folded like wet origami, you scum.

The hell is a fold? And since when do I need 'points' to unvote for something? I already said I voted at him to see if he would crack up but he didn't.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:26:43 pm

Meanmelter-Try to prove to me you are not scum and that you didn't just fold to please and attempt to get everyone off of you.

I also need to start thinking for a minute before posting but the amount of ninjas lately kinda threw me into turbo mode.

Again, what is folding?

Quote from: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:27:20 pm

Sure you're not just trying to bump your postcount?

Haha, no.

holy crap I totally fucked up.   I thought it was you voting for flintus, it wasn't you it was deadmeat.

Wow I really screwed up, in that case folding does not apply to you.

Unvote Meanmelter
Vote anzki4

Why are you so insistent that I vote for you? I agreed my logic was inferior and changed my vote. Yet you persist in criticizing this.
If you want to die, just say "I am a Scumbag", and get it over with.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:40:15 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:36:42 pm

Why are you so insistent that I vote for you? I agreed my logic was inferior and changed my vote. Yet you persist in criticizing this.
If you want to die, just say "I am a Scumbag", and get it over with.

What in the nine hells are you talking about?  That was something that transpired between me and meanmelter.  I though he was you and my argument was based on that he had a post that simply read "unvote". 

So what now you are threatening me you slop?  If you want to attack someone ask a fucking question, push an argument against them.  Don't just give a veiled threat.

So really all you've done now is show that you've become careless and snappy, like a scum backed into a corner, so much so you can't even be bothered to read the post you are freaking at.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:40:47 pm

Deadmeat1471 Considering your situation of looking totally scummy, and even more saying Kilakan is scum in your last post, explain why you accuse Kilakan of being scum?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:43:08 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:40:47 pm

Deadmeat1471 Considering your situation of looking totally scummy, and even more saying Kilakan is scum in your last post, explain why you accuse Kilakan of being scum?

I didn't. In fact I have stated I don't think he is scum. Which is why I am confused about his continuing accusation I am scum for deciding I don't suspect him, for now.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:44:19 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:43:08 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:40:47 pm

Deadmeat1471 Considering your situation of looking totally scummy, and even more saying Kilakan is scum in your last post, explain why you accuse Kilakan of being scum?

I didn't. In fact I have stated I don't think he is scum. Which is why I am confused about his continuing accusation I am scum for deciding I don't suspect him, for now.

Probably the fact that you ended with:

Quote

If you want to die, just say "I am a Scumbag", and get it over with.

When responding to him specifically.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:45:07 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:43:08 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:40:47 pm

Deadmeat1471 Considering your situation of looking totally scummy, and even more saying Kilakan is scum in your last post, explain why you accuse Kilakan of being scum?

I didn't. In fact I have stated I don't think he is scum. Which is why I am confused about his continuing accusation I am scum for deciding I don't suspect him, for now.

Oh really?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:36:42 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:34:33 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:29:43 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:22:52 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:19:10 pm

Unvote.

Holy hell of  a fucking easy fold.  No one told you to remove it without any points otherwise.  In a case like this it would be only normal if you unvoted with a god damn reason or do you need to ask me what I think are your reasons for the unvote?

Because I think you just fucking folded like wet origami, you scum.

The hell is a fold? And since when do I need 'points' to unvote for something? I already said I voted at him to see if he would crack up but he didn't.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:26:43 pm

Meanmelter-Try to prove to me you are not scum and that you didn't just fold to please and attempt to get everyone off of you.

I also need to start thinking for a minute before posting but the amount of ninjas lately kinda threw me into turbo mode.

Again, what is folding?

Quote from: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:27:20 pm

Sure you're not just trying to bump your postcount?

Haha, no.

holy crap I totally fucked up.   I thought it was you voting for flintus, it wasn't you it was deadmeat.

Wow I really screwed up, in that case folding does not apply to you.

Unvote Meanmelter
Vote anzki4

If you want to die, just say "I am a Scumbag", and get it over with.
[/quote]
That is totally accusing someone of being scum.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:45:59 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:44:19 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:43:08 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:40:47 pm

Deadmeat1471 Considering your situation of looking totally scummy, and even more saying Kilakan is scum in your last post, explain why you accuse Kilakan of being scum?

I didn't. In fact I have stated I don't think he is scum. Which is why I am confused about his continuing accusation I am scum for deciding I don't suspect him, for now.

Probably the fact that you ended with:

Quote

If you want to die, just say "I am a Scumbag", and get it over with.

When responding to him specifically.

That doesn't mean hes a scumbag. Means he is acting like he wants me to vote for him.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 07:47:05 pm

He wants you to explain why you voted him for a charge you were utterly incapable of defending in the least.

So would I, by the way.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:47:46 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:40:15 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:36:42 pm

Why are you so insistent that I vote for you? I agreed my logic was inferior and changed my vote. Yet you persist in criticizing this.
If you want to die, just say "I am a Scumbag", and get it over with.

What in the nine hells are you talking about?  That was something that transpired between me and meanmelter.  I though he was you and my argument was based on that he had a post that simply read "unvote". 

So what now you are threatening me you slop?  If you want to attack someone ask a fucking question, push an argument against them.  Don't just give a veiled threat.

So really all you've done now is show that you've become careless and snappy, like a scum backed into a corner, so much so you can't even be bothered to read the post you are freaking at.

You said you meant to aim that line of questioning at me not meanmelter, or maybe I misunderstood your mistake.

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 07:47:05 pm

He wants you to explain why you voted him for a charge you were utterly incapable of defending in the least.

So would I, by the way.

I explained this several times.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:48:19 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:43:08 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:40:47 pm

Deadmeat1471 Considering your situation of looking totally scummy, and even more saying Kilakan is scum in your last post, explain why you accuse Kilakan of being scum?

I didn't. In fact I have stated I don't think he is scum. Which is why I am confused about his continuing accusation I am scum for deciding I don't suspect him, for now.

Go back and read the quote you freaked on me for, and more importantly who the quotes are from.  You'll notice that not once does it contain a quote from you, simply that i though someone else was you for a minute and coupled with your previous posts what they did set off an alarm bell.  You posts alone do not (until now this reeks of scum) make anything I would have attacked.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:48:36 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:45:07 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:43:08 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:40:47 pm

Deadmeat1471 Considering your situation of looking totally scummy, and even more saying Kilakan is scum in your last post, explain why you accuse Kilakan of being scum?

I didn't. In fact I have stated I don't think he is scum. Which is why I am confused about his continuing accusation I am scum for deciding I don't suspect him, for now.

Oh really?

So, if you're convinced he's scum, why did you end with that?

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:45:59 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:44:19 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:43:08 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:40:47 pm

Deadmeat1471 Considering your situation of looking totally scummy, and even more saying Kilakan is scum in your last post, explain why you accuse Kilakan of being scum?

I didn't. In fact I have stated I don't think he is scum. Which is why I am confused about his continuing accusation I am scum for deciding I don't suspect him, for now.

Probably the fact that you ended with:

Quote

If you want to die, just say "I am a Scumbag", and get it over with.

When responding to him specifically.

That doesn't mean hes a scumbag. Means he is acting like he wants me to vote for him.

I know it doesn't mean he's a scumbag, but it's still YOU calling him scummy. But that does clear it up a bit.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 07:49:15 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:47:46 pm

I explained this several times.

Feel free to link me to those posts, because I seem to have missed every single one of them.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:50:25 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:45:59 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:44:19 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:43:08 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:40:47 pm

Deadmeat1471 Considering your situation of looking totally scummy, and even more saying Kilakan is scum in your last post, explain why you accuse Kilakan of being scum?

I didn't. In fact I have stated I don't think he is scum. Which is why I am confused about his continuing accusation I am scum for deciding I don't suspect him, for now.

Probably the fact that you ended with:

Quote

If you want to die, just say "I am a Scumbag", and get it over with.

When responding to him specifically.

That doesn't mean hes a scumbag. Means he is acting like he wants me to vote for him.

No, it doesn't mean he is a scumbag.
Your acting totally suspicious Deadmeat1471 and I think your recent act of events at least need a look over.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:50:38 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:29:22 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 06:20:02 pm

I'm always pretty aggressive, but I'm really trying to be more controlled this game.
Deadmeat-Just because you unvoted me doesn't mean I don't still want to see quotes of things I've said that strike you as scummy.

Pretty much all of your previous posts have been aggressive, I wasn't referring to any one or two in particular.
Also I am not sure you were acting scummy, or aggressively trying to hunt out the scumbags, hence the unvote.
My secondary reason was also a random vote, and you got my attention by the said behavior.

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:21:34 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:17:19 pm

I have relooked over his posts, and decided he is just being aggressive not defensive, unvote Kilaken. I see no real reason anymore, but I do suspect kilaken for his early aggressiveness in arguing despite the early stage.

What do you think of him vector?

I think you voted for no reason, which means you were building a meatless case without even the intention to press--and now you're asking me to do your dirty work for you.  Scumbucket.

Personally, I don't have a read on him yet.  I am getting more of an idea about you, though.

Here.

No more sufficient reason is needed, I changed my mind about Kil after a second look. Pure and simple.

*edited to fix bad quote bracket.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:52:34 pm

holy fuck you DO NOT EDIT YOU POSTS FOR ANY REASON

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:53:39 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:52:34 pm

holy fuck you DO NOT EDIT YOU POSTS FOR ANY REASON

Crybaby. I added a /quote ending. So people could actually read it properly. Sue me.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:53:52 pm

Eh. No edit tag, no problem imo. Heheh.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 07:55:31 pm

Don't edit posts.  Ever.

That said, anyone who takes this as a scumtell in this instance is going to be heavily frowned at.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:55:48 pm

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:50:38 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:29:22 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 06:20:02 pm

I'm always pretty aggressive, but I'm really trying to be more controlled this game.
Deadmeat-Just because you unvoted me doesn't mean I don't still want to see quotes of things I've said that strike you as scummy.

Pretty much all of your previous posts have been aggressive, I wasn't referring to any one or two in particular.
Also I am not sure you were acting scummy, or aggressively trying to hunt out the scumbags, hence the unvote.
My secondary reason was also a random vote, and you got my attention by the said behavior.

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:21:34 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:17:19 pm

I have relooked over his posts, and decided he is just being aggressive not defensive, unvote Kilaken. I see no real reason anymore, but I do suspect kilaken for his early aggressiveness in arguing despite the early stage.

What do you think of him vector?

I think you voted for no reason, which means you were building a meatless case without even the intention to press--and now you're asking me to do your dirty work for you.  Scumbucket.

Personally, I don't have a read on him yet.  I am getting more of an idea about you, though.

Here.

No more sufficient reason is needed, I changed my mind about Kil after a second look. Pure and simple.

*edited to fix bad quote bracket.

So that's explaining yourself multiple times eh?  Well the thing is that isn't on trail, what you currently need to defend yourself for is why the hell did you freak the fuck out at the mention of your name?


ah ok then, if darvi's fine with it, I just always assumed any form of edit was an insta-kick.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:57:45 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:55:48 pm

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:50:38 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:29:22 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 06:20:02 pm

I'm always pretty aggressive, but I'm really trying to be more controlled this game.
Deadmeat-Just because you unvoted me doesn't mean I don't still want to see quotes of things I've said that strike you as scummy.

Pretty much all of your previous posts have been aggressive, I wasn't referring to any one or two in particular.
Also I am not sure you were acting scummy, or aggressively trying to hunt out the scumbags, hence the unvote.
My secondary reason was also a random vote, and you got my attention by the said behavior.

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 06:21:34 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 06:17:19 pm

I have relooked over his posts, and decided he is just being aggressive not defensive, unvote Kilaken. I see no real reason anymore, but I do suspect kilaken for his early aggressiveness in arguing despite the early stage.

What do you think of him vector?

I think you voted for no reason, which means you were building a meatless case without even the intention to press--and now you're asking me to do your dirty work for you.  Scumbucket.

Personally, I don't have a read on him yet.  I am getting more of an idea about you, though.

Here.

No more sufficient reason is needed, I changed my mind about Kil after a second look. Pure and simple.

*edited to fix bad quote bracket.

So that's explaining yourself multiple times eh?  Well the thing is that isn't on trail, what you currently need to defend yourself for is why the hell did you freak the fuck out at the mention of your name?


ah ok then, if darvi's fine with it, I just always assumed any form of edit was an insta-kick.

Eh? when did I freak out. I changed my mind of my own accord after re reading your posts.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 08:00:37 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:36:42 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:34:33 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:29:43 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:22:52 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:19:10 pm

Unvote.

Holy hell of  a fucking easy fold.  No one told you to remove it without any points otherwise.  In a case like this it would be only normal if you unvoted with a god damn reason or do you need to ask me what I think are your reasons for the unvote?

Because I think you just fucking folded like wet origami, you scum.

The hell is a fold? And since when do I need 'points' to unvote for something? I already said I voted at him to see if he would crack up but he didn't.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:26:43 pm

Meanmelter-Try to prove to me you are not scum and that you didn't just fold to please and attempt to get everyone off of you.

I also need to start thinking for a minute before posting but the amount of ninjas lately kinda threw me into turbo mode.

Again, what is folding?

Quote from: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:27:20 pm

Sure you're not just trying to bump your postcount?

Haha, no.

holy crap I totally fucked up.   I thought it was you voting for flintus, it wasn't you it was deadmeat.

Wow I really screwed up, in that case folding does not apply to you.

Unvote Meanmelter
Vote anzki4

Why are you so insistent that I vote for you? I agreed my logic was inferior and changed my vote. Yet you persist in criticizing this.
If you want to die, just say "I am a Scumbag", and get it over with.

This.  This is not anything to do with changing your mind earlier.  This is you reacting exceptionally aggressively to something that is not about you in the least.  This is something based on the fact that I *thought* you retracted your vote from flintus without a word, when it was in fact meanmelter.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

Really was asleep if anyone had been keeping track of my online status anyways lotsa pages to go through I will start by answering the questions that were asked of me early on.

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 07:53:31 am

Flintus10: Hello there, good to see you, I can't recall your face, but you said you had played before. How did that work out for you?

It was one of the earlier beginners mafia where we didn’t have IC’s actually playing along with us I cannot recall which one but if you want to give it a look then I could try to find it.
Long story short we lost and that was mainly due to a whole lot of just random accusing and arguing, but was also not helped by the fact that BOTH mafia players were essentially absent and lurking for the entire game until about the second half of the game when they were both replaced.
I am not sure how I personally did because the IC’s didn’t really individually critique us but well we didn’t win so I don’t think I was that good.

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 10:27:11 am

Flintus10, you were picked up by the lady luck. Tell me, if she would have chosen you to become a red spy as well, what would be your strategy ?

Haven’t ever played as mafia since like some paranormal game when I had 0 idea of what I was doing and should never have joined so I guess I would definitely be heeding the scum IC’s advice and basically trying to play active, look like I am scum-hunting and generally not throw out too many tells.

As for what has happened so far I really am having trouble finding any massive giveaways

Kilakan is leagues more aggressive than anybody else but seems to at least be getting some kind of reaction. Still he is pretty experienced I think, so he is definitely not clear of any suspicion if that even needs to be said.

Deadmeat is making a lot of mistakes but I am finding it difficult to believe that with Webadict telling him what to do he could be slipping so easily so noob town is my current verdict. Although it’d be nice if one of the IC’s/experienced players could tell me whether or not that is a valid point.

And Freeformschooler You have definitely posted a lot and remained active but a lot of what you have said is either useless or the restatement of someone else’s point. Now correct me if I am wrong but that seems like the actions of a new scum player trying (and failing) to seem genuine does it not?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:03:33 pm

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

Deadmeat is making a lot of mistakes but I am finding it difficult to believe that with Webadict telling him what to do he could be slipping so easily so noob town is my current verdict. Although it’d be nice if one of the IC’s/experienced players could tell me whether or not that is a valid point.

Don't drink the wine.

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

Now correct me if I am wrong but that seems like the actions of a new scum player trying (and failing) to seem genuine does it not?

Don't phrase this as a question.  You're making an accusation, and if you're wrong then he'll correct you.  No pressure-lessening.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:04:17 pm

Oh, and IronyOwl, if you don't show up in the next 12 hours I'm lynching you :3

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:07:02 pm

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

And Freeformschooler You have definitely posted a lot and remained active but a lot of what you have said is either useless or the restatement of someone else’s point. Now correct me if I am wrong but that seems like the actions of a new scum player trying (and failing) to seem genuine does it not?

This also applies to me as a Town. In fact, it applies to me in general. I have a habit of restating or attempting to back up other peoples' own points after they've said them -- this can be seen in any debate I'm in outside of this. I'm really trying to break out of this though, and you can see I'm getting better with my case against anzki4, even though a small portion of that was similar to what kilakan stated.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 08:09:18 pm

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

And Freeformschooler You have definitely posted a lot and remained active but a lot of what you have said is either useless or the restatement of someone else’s point. Now correct me if I am wrong but that seems like the actions of a new scum player trying (and failing) to seem genuine does it not?

You are wrong, simply because trying to draw anything out of that is likely to end in a WIFOM.  Not to mention that the restatement part has already been addressed, but i am sure you will get to that.

Wait does that make what you just said about restatements a restatement.... ow my head.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 08:09:46 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 08:00:37 pm

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:36:42 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:34:33 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:29:43 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:22:52 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 07:19:10 pm

Unvote.

Holy hell of  a fucking easy fold.  No one told you to remove it without any points otherwise.  In a case like this it would be only normal if you unvoted with a god damn reason or do you need to ask me what I think are your reasons for the unvote?

Because I think you just fucking folded like wet origami, you scum.

The hell is a fold? And since when do I need 'points' to unvote for something? I already said I voted at him to see if he would crack up but he didn't.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:26:43 pm

Meanmelter-Try to prove to me you are not scum and that you didn't just fold to please and attempt to get everyone off of you.

I also need to start thinking for a minute before posting but the amount of ninjas lately kinda threw me into turbo mode.

Again, what is folding?

Quote from: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:27:20 pm

Sure you're not just trying to bump your postcount?

Haha, no.

holy crap I totally fucked up.   I thought it was you voting for flintus, it wasn't you it was deadmeat.

Wow I really screwed up, in that case folding does not apply to you.

Unvote Meanmelter
Vote anzki4

Why are you so insistent that I vote for you? I agreed my logic was inferior and changed my vote. Yet you persist in criticizing this.
If you want to die, just say "I am a Scumbag", and get it over with.

This.  This is not anything to do with changing your mind earlier.  This is you reacting exceptionally aggressively to something that is not about you in the least.  This is something based on the fact that I *thought* you retracted your vote from flintus without a word, when it was in fact meanmelter.

To be honest, I have no idea what you did or planned to do. You confused me with this whole line of questioning. I don't know what was intended for me or meanmelter or what. I reacted assuming you were trying to say I folded when I retracted my vote on you, and my inability as to why you would persist in that line.

As for Flintus, I thought everyone here were in 'noobtown' to some degree, as this is a beginner game?
Yes I made a mistake, I shouldn't have changed my original vote, I initiated kils relentless scumbag hunting program. I misread the votes and thought he was getting band wagoned, I realised I was wrong after the fact.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 08:15:36 pm

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

Deadmeat is making a lot of mistakes but I am finding it difficult to believe that with Webadict telling him what to do he could be slipping so easily so noob town is my current verdict. Although it’d be nice if one of the IC’s/experienced players could tell me whether or not that is a valid point.

I don't understand this?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: IronyOwl on July 14, 2011, 08:16:07 pm

God damn it you assholes. The game starts without me, explodes into posts (which is good!), but then it's almost entirely worthless passive bullshit.

FIRST OF ALL, ALLOW ME TO EXPLAIN HOW MAFIA IS PLAYED

You ask questions in order to gain insight as to who is scum.

Ta-da! That's basically it. A lot of your are going through the motions without having any real idea of what you're doing, or skipping right to the "Vote scum, sit on ass" stage. Sometimes it seems like ALL of you are stuck thinking about what's scummiest and not who's scum. There's a difference- I want to to ask yourselves, those suspicions? Are they because you get the feeling so-and-so is scum, or because some guide says such-and-such is a scumtell and so-and-so is doing it?

I also want you to ask whether you're pressing further to confirm/reconsider, or declaring a job well done, you've caught somebody doing X, and are now going to ride the bandwagon til the end of the day and be left with absolutely nothing when they get lynched.


Now, on to individually beating people with pieces of rebar. Pay attention, because this is relevant to everyone.


QUESTIONS AND YOU:

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 08:30:29 am

Deadmeat1471, how do you plan to find the scums ?

freeformschooler, what is your favorite class ?

Meanmelter, which is better color, red or blue?

Now, I realize RVS is basically over anyway, but a lot of you seem to not understand what the point of it ever was. And if you don't understand what RVS is, it's likely you don't fully grasp the point of questions in general.

anzki4, I think you might be scum. So I'm going to ask you a question to look into that: What's your favorite type of cake?

Except, wait, that doesn't help me in the slightest. How are you going to answer in a useful manner? "Chocolate", well chocolate is an easy answer so he must be scum trying to slide by? "Lemon", yellow like the color of fear, so he must be cowardly scum? "Carrot", well carrots are healthy so he must be town?

No. It's worthless. Complete garbage. Later on you say "well you never know," but you do. There's zero chance for this to result in useful data. And if you're asking this, you're either not asking useful questions, or you're bloating your posts with useless fluff. Imagine if my post had a poem or series of ~~~~~'s every so often. That's what you're doing by asking worthless questions.


Now let's look at a useful question instead: anzki, who would you protect as a doctor?

And yes, there's a lot of ways he can answer without it really being useful. He might give an expected, stock answer like "the ICs," for instance, and if he's not a doctor it might not seem like a meaningful question. But whatever answer he gives will give me insight into how he's thinking, thereby allowing me to read him better- the mafia him, that is, not what movies he likes or whether he enjoys moonlit walks on the beach.

Furthermore, there's always the chance to ask him more questions- I could ask which IC, or how many nights in a row he'd protect an IC when it was obvious other people were being NKed instead. With cake, there is no followup- what else am I going to ask, whether he likes ice cream on it or not?

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More later, both in general instructive sense and the HELLO I SEE YOU ARE SCUM variety. This is a LOT to work through.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 08:16:38 pm

Uh huh that's kinda the point I really messed up in my argument there "thought two people were the same person"  but you reacted to the confusion violently because it had your name on it.  Either way, ok decent answer.

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 08:09:46 pm

As for Flintus, I thought everyone here were in 'noobtown' to some degree, as this is a beginner game?
Yes I made a mistake, I shouldn't have changed my original vote, I initiated kils relentless scumbag hunting program. I misread the votes and thought he was getting band wagoned, I realised I was wrong after the fact.

Well Vector certainly isn't a noob, neither is Ironyowl when he/she shows up.  I'm only a noob to online mafia, and I'm pretty sure no one could consider Max White exactly a noob anymore either.

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 08:15:36 pm

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

Deadmeat is making a lot of mistakes but I am finding it difficult to believe that with Webadict telling him what to do he could be slipping so easily so noob town is my current verdict. Although it’d be nice if one of the IC’s/experienced players could tell me whether or not that is a valid point.

I don't understand this?

No one can but him, it's what would be called a WIFOM I'm pretty sure there's a description of it on the first post.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 08:20:39 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 08:16:38 pm

Uh huh that's kinda the point I really messed up in my argument there "thought two people were the same person"  but you reacted to the confusion violently because it had your name on it.  Either way, ok decent answer.

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 08:09:46 pm

As for Flintus, I thought everyone here were in 'noobtown' to some degree, as this is a beginner game?
Yes I made a mistake, I shouldn't have changed my original vote, I initiated kils relentless scumbag hunting program. I misread the votes and thought he was getting band wagoned, I realised I was wrong after the fact.

Well Vector certainly isn't a noob, neither is Ironyowl when he/she shows up.  I'm only a noob to online mafia, and I'm pretty sure no one could consider Max White exactly a noob anymore either.

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 08:15:36 pm

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

Deadmeat is making a lot of mistakes but I am finding it difficult to believe that with Webadict telling him what to do he could be slipping so easily so noob town is my current verdict. Although it’d be nice if one of the IC’s/experienced players could tell me whether or not that is a valid point.

I don't understand this?

No one can but him, it's what would be called a WIFOM I'm pretty sure there's a description of it on the first post.

Yeah I kinda got the impression most of you had done this before. Well for the record this is my first game.
Don't consider this either an excuse to avoid attention or a tell that im a lying scumbag whos secretly an expert but shows no evidence of this whatsoever.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:24:07 pm

IronyOwl that is a good point.

anzki4, if you get back on here before deadline why have you been so passive in terms of pressing people.
Vector, other than voting and correcting people you've been really quiet, I expected you to be much more aggressive, especially if you were a town. You haven't been pressing people much either.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 08:25:00 pm

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

Kilakan is leagues more aggressive than anybody else but seems to at least be getting some kind of reaction. Still he is pretty experienced I think, so he is definitely not clear of any suspicion if that even needs to be said.

I missed this the first time, but let me say, don't piss off Vector.  Apparently Ironyowl is like a spiked frying pan, but I've never played with... him?  Her?  it? before anyways.

Ironyowl Please tell me if you are male or female so I know what to refer to you as.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 08:28:03 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:24:07 pm

Vector, other than voting and correcting people you've been really quiet, I expected you to be much more aggressive, especially if you were a town. You haven't been pressing people much either.

Don't underestimate how much effort it takes to wrangle in you lot.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:29:08 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 08:28:03 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:24:07 pm

Vector, other than voting and correcting people you've been really quiet, I expected you to be much more aggressive, especially if you were a town. You haven't been pressing people much either.

Don't underestimate how much effort it takes to wrangle in you lot.

I am confused as to what you mean.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:31:35 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:24:07 pm

Vector, other than voting and correcting people you've been really quiet, I expected you to be much more aggressive, especially if you were a town. You haven't been pressing people much either.

I slept 4 hours last night and have been having nightmares for the past two or three weeks.  I also suddenly have a new teacher for my German course, who is far more demanding.

Let's just say that I'm too tired right now to do much more than corrections.  Sorry.  I imagine I will be much more angry tomorrow; however, at the moment I can't get enough signal in this noise to do much.

Currently I'm on "straighten stuff out" mode.  Then I will be in full-blown scumhunting mode.  I cannot do both simultaneously, because they have fundamentally different goals.

Really, it's mostly the sleep that's a problem right now.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 08:28:03 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:24:07 pm

Vector, other than voting and correcting people you've been really quiet, I expected you to be much more aggressive, especially if you were a town. You haven't been pressing people much either.

Don't underestimate how much effort it takes to wrangle in you lot.

Thank you, Jim =)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 08:33:07 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:29:08 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 14, 2011, 08:28:03 pm

Don't underestimate how much effort it takes to wrangle in you lot.

I am confused as to what you mean.

Imagine you have a bunch of toddlers who each want to go do their own thing, and are pulling you in ten different directions, and trying to run off on their own, or trying to go play run in front of a bunch of cars.

Then think about how hard doing anything else besides keeping them out of trouble is.

This was an allegory. You were the toddlers.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:34:19 pm

Also oh man I would like to keep playing into crunch time but my medicine is kicking in, I'm going to have to fall asleep.

Even if it has to be postponed til tomorrow, another question.

Max White: What is up with you just going away after you said something that sounded scummy here:

Quote

You know, I was thinking that what freeform said made sense, glad you were there to correct me on exactly how scum thinks.

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 08:31:35 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:24:07 pm

Vector, other than voting and correcting people you've been really quiet, I expected you to be much more aggressive, especially if you were a town. You haven't been pressing people much either.

I slept 4 hours last night and have been having nightmares for the past two or three weeks.  I also suddenly have a new teacher for my German course, who is far more demanding.

Let's just say that I'm too tired right now to do much more than corrections.  Sorry.  I imagine I will be much more angry tomorrow; however, at the moment I can't get enough signal in this noise to do much.

Currently I'm on "straighten stuff out" mode.  Then I will be in full-blown scumhunting mode.  I cannot do both simultaneously, because they have fundamentally different goals.

Really, it's mostly the sleep that's a problem right now.

Fair enough. You are IC right now anyway.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: breadbocks on July 14, 2011, 08:43:59 pm

Daaaaarviiiiii, I'm still waiting on that spoilspec.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:47:01 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:07:02 pm

This also applies to me as a Town. In fact, it applies to me in general. I have a habit of restating or attempting to back up other peoples' own points after they've said them -- this can be seen in any debate I'm in outside of this. I'm really trying to break out of this though, and you can see I'm getting better with my case against anzki4, even though a small portion of that was similar to what kilakan stated.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 08:09:18 pm

You are wrong, simply because trying to draw anything out of that is likely to end in a WIFOM.  Not to mention that the restatement part has already been addressed, but i am sure you will get to that.

Wait does that make what you just said about restatements a restatement.... ow my head.

Actually kilikan I would say you really handwaved him copying everything you do and he continued afterwards, his shot at Deadmeat for voting for me for lurking is one example.

Also did you really need to help freeform out here he was already trying to defend himself. You guys seem to be working pretty well together.

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 08:15:36 pm

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

Deadmeat is making a lot of mistakes but I am finding it difficult to believe that with Webadict telling him what to do he could be slipping so easily so noob town is my current verdict. Although it’d be nice if one of the IC’s/experienced players could tell me whether or not that is a valid point.

I don't understand this?

Don't worry about it it is invalid not only because of what Vector has already said about WIFOME but also I just remembered that last game I played the two scum did not even bother listening to their IC anyways. So it is plenty possible that you are scum  :)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:50:48 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 08:25:00 pm

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

Kilakan is leagues more aggressive than anybody else but seems to at least be getting some kind of reaction. Still he is pretty experienced I think, so he is definitely not clear of any suspicion if that even needs to be said.

I missed this the first time, but let me say, don't piss off Vector.  Apparently Ironyowl is like a spiked frying pan, but I've never played with... him?  Her?  it? before anyways.

Ironyowl Please tell me if you are male or female so I know what to refer to you as.

Oh I know it can be far worse. If anything my comment reflects on how un-aggressive everyone else is.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:07:02 pm

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

And Freeformschooler You have definitely posted a lot and remained active but a lot of what you have said is either useless or the restatement of someone else’s point. Now correct me if I am wrong but that seems like the actions of a new scum player trying (and failing) to seem genuine does it not?

This also applies to me as a Town. In fact, it applies to me in general. I have a habit of restating or attempting to back up other peoples' own points after they've said them -- this can be seen in any debate I'm in outside of this. I'm really trying to break out of this though, and you can see I'm getting better with my case against anzki4, even though a small portion of that was similar to what kilakan stated.

It does not really apply to you as a town player because my point was that you are trying to make it seem like you are active and therefore not suspicious without actually really doing anything to hurt the scum. Even a newb town should know that the towns first priority is taking down the scum while it is the scum's first priority to look innocent.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 10:16:29 pm

KilaKan, what are you thinking of Flintus10, now that he has arisen from his long slumber.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 14, 2011, 10:18:57 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 10:16:29 pm

KilaKan, what are you thinking of Flintus10, now that he has arisen from his long slumber.

Probably better to ask the two people voting him, especially the one who was waiting around for him to start playing the game.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: IronyOwl on July 14, 2011, 10:41:44 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 10:16:29 pm

KilaKan, what are you thinking of Flintus10, now that he has arisen from his long slumber.

You. Why aren't you asking more relevant questions? You've had some worthless bullshit, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88758.msg2440379#msg2440379) some irrelevant quips, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88758.msg2441045#msg2441045) and some scummy looking questions. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88758.msg2441045#msg2441045) There's been a pinch (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88758.msg2440324#msg2440324) of decent questioning in there, but you didn't seem interested in doing anything with it.

Why so passive, scum? Don't you want to find out who's scum and who isn't? Then why aren't you asking things that let you figure out how other players are thinking? What is asking the vaguest question ever about a lurker/late to the party guy going to let you know about either of them?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 10:54:49 pm

Well jeez, not like there is much I can ask without someone clearly finding a way around it.
But if you really insist on me asking others stuff that aren't going to tell me anything anyway. But hey, why not? Right? Right...

Max White I dunno why, but everytime I see this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88758.msg2440854#msg2440854) it just screams your I.D. says Mr.Scum on it.
Also, anzki4 how do you feel I found your partner in crime here?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: IronyOwl on July 14, 2011, 11:02:34 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 10:54:49 pm

Well jeez, not like there is much I can ask without someone clearly finding a way around it.
But if you really insist on me asking others stuff that aren't going to tell me anything anyway. But hey, why not? Right? Right...

Doesn't matter. You want scum, you go catch them yourself. How did you think you were going to play if your questions are worthless no matter what? How can you say you've found scum with an assertion like that?

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 10:54:49 pm

Max White I dunno why, but everytime I see this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88758.msg2440854#msg2440854) it just screams your I.D. says Mr.Scum on it.
Also, anzki4 how do you feel I found your partner in crime here?

No, bad, wrong. What's Max going to say? That's not even a question. Ask him something about it, don't just call him scum and sit there.
Also no bad wrong, FoSing anzki with a probably worthless question. In a beginner's game, maybe- maybe he'll screw up. But it's a beginner's game, so even if he does screw up badly, he might be noobtown instead of noobscum. Don't you have anything you actually want to ask him? What he thinks of X, what he'd do in Y, something that lets you know whether he's scum or town?

Let me lead by example:

Meanmelter, please restate your case on anzki. It sounds like you're just parroting my mention of him.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 11:16:16 pm

Quote from: IronyOwl on July 14, 2011, 11:02:34 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 10:54:49 pm

Well jeez, not like there is much I can ask without someone clearly finding a way around it.
But if you really insist on me asking others stuff that aren't going to tell me anything anyway. But hey, why not? Right? Right...

Doesn't matter. You want scum, you go catch them yourself. How did you think you were going to play if your questions are worthless no matter what? How can you say you've found scum with an assertion like that?

I'm sure they will trip over their own shoe-laces eventually? Besides, they can easily act way to townie which is a huge open sign to me that they are scum. Your just totally implying I should ask questions all day. Which, isn't going to help me scumhunt if I can't even make up a good one. I'm no interrogator.

Quote from: IronyOwl on July 14, 2011, 11:02:34 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 10:54:49 pm

Max White I dunno why, but everytime I see this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88758.msg2440854#msg2440854) it just screams your I.D. says Mr.Scum on it.
Also, anzki4 how do you feel I found your partner in crime here?

No, bad, wrong. What's Max going to say? That's not even a question. Ask him something about it, don't just call him scum and sit there.
Also no bad wrong, FoSing anzki with a probably worthless question. In a beginner's game, maybe- maybe he'll screw up. But it's a beginner's game, so even if he does screw up badly, he might be noobtown instead of noobscum. Don't you have anything you actually want to ask him? What he thinks of X, what he'd do in Y, something that lets you know whether he's scum or town?

Let me lead by example:

Meanmelter, please restate your case on anzki. It sounds like you're just parroting my mention of him.

There is plenty he could say. He could just simply say he isn't scum and come back with an argument saying I am scum, though that would be scum to vote back now wouldn't it.  And No it's not a question, but it surely is pressuring isn't it. Or is Vote Pressuring now not allowed?
Also, that example isn't a question, it's a statement. Perhaps if you made it more questioning.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 11:24:32 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 10:18:57 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 10:16:29 pm

KilaKan, what are you thinking of Flintus10, now that he has arisen from his long slumber.

Probably better to ask the two people voting him, especially the one who was waiting around for him to start playing the game.

I'll have a closer look later, he is obviously sly, even if he were a scumbag it wouldnt be evident at first.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: IronyOwl on July 14, 2011, 11:35:37 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 11:16:16 pm

I'm sure they will trip over their own shoe-laces eventually? Besides, they can easily act way to townie which is a huge open sign to me that they are scum.

So wait, they're so incompetent that they'll undoubtedly reveal themselves on their own, but so cunning they can't possibly be revealed through questioning? Make up your mind, and then realize that there wouldn't be a game if either of those were true.

I'm also not sure what you mean by "act way too townie" or why that's going to happen on its own or with the statements you've been given. Please step me through the process of a scum acting way too townie and being caught for it.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 11:16:16 pm

Your just totally implying I should ask questions all day. Which, isn't going to help me scumhunt if I can't even make up a good one. I'm no interrogator.

The only way to get better, aside from realizing why you need to do so, is practice. "Can't scumhunt, so not going to" is both untrue and suspiciously passive.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 11:16:16 pm

There is plenty he could say. He could just simply say he isn't scum and come back with an argument saying I am scum, though that would be scum to vote back now wouldn't it.

First of all, scumtells aren't quite the same thing as being scum. This is especially true because many scumtells are only such when they're unjustified or done a certain way- voting you because you're attacking him with garbage arguments isn't scummy, for instance.

Secondly, this is the long, pointless, slow way to go about it. "You're scum, Max." "No, I'm not." Great. Thrilling conversation. What's your next response? "No, you totally are."? What response could he give that's both useful and not a supposed scumtell?

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 11:16:16 pm

And No it's not a question, but it surely is pressuring isn't it. Or is Vote Pressuring now not allowed?

Pressure is worthless if it's not focused, because there's nothing to be done about it. If I vote someone and then lurk, they're not going to be all concerned because oh my god IronyOwl's found me. They're going to suspect me for being a lurking douche. If you vote someone without asking questions, it's basically the same thing, as far as they're concerned.

Or, let me rephrase it this way- what's Max supposed to be scared of or pressured by, and what's he going to do about it? If your arguments are crap or nonexistent, he can't really be concerned that you've realized he's scum or are going to convince everyone to lynch him, because there's no way for you to do either. If you're not asking questions with it, he can't be concerned that you're going to find him out or get him lynched, because once again there's no way you can.

You've got no questions and no real arguments, so why is your vote something to be feared? What's going to get him spooked? What aspect is going to make him start panicking because he's scum?

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 11:16:16 pm

Also, that example isn't a question, it's a statement. Perhaps if you made it more questioning.

Now you're telling me about statements not being questions? You've got a lot of snark or you're a shameless hypocrite, but regardless, I would think "please restate your case on anzki" would translate to "Meanmelter, why do you suspect anzki again?" rather easily. Why were you more concerned about being stubborn or snarky than about answering the question and pressing your case? Don't you want an opportunity to explain to everyone why anzki is totally scum?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 12:19:59 am

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 10:54:49 pm

Well jeez, not like there is much I can ask without someone clearly finding a way around it.

Then your questions aren't good enough.

If you want to ask a good question, you point out the thing that bothers you, and you ask why he did it. If what bothers you isn't evident, give a small explanation of why it bothers you, usually in comparison to something he should have done.

I'll use you as an example.

Meanmelter, you're not hunting. You're posting frequently but you're not asking very good questions. Do you simply not know how, or are you just trying to skate by with superficial activity?

The thing that bothers me is your questions, so I ask you about them. I lace my question with an accusation to set you on edge a little bit and also to state what I don't like as well as my suspicions. I put forth a few explanations I find likely, most of them unfavorable to you, and I leave you in a bit of a difficult position where you have to come up with an answer that satisfies me.

You see how it works? There's no set template, really, so the guidelines I gave you are to help you practice. Generally you should only ask about what players have done and said, or what their suspicions are, as those are the only topics that will actually get you anywhere in a scumhunt. Asking them why you should change their vote is a complete waste of time, as the answer to that question has zero relevance to whether they are town or scum.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 11:16:16 pm

Besides, they can easily act way to townie which is a huge open sign to me that they are scum.

This is the Too Townie fallacy. This is exactly the Too Townie fallacy.

If somebody is active and scumhunting and generally looking like town, then they are very likely town. There is no point when somebody's towniness wraps around and becomes scumminess.

You will encounter players who have nearly perfect town games. If you decide to lynch them for looking 'too town' you will be wrong every time.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 12:21:23 am

Quote from: IronyOwl on July 14, 2011, 11:35:37 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 11:16:16 pm

I'm sure they will trip over their own shoe-laces eventually? Besides, they can easily act way to townie which is a huge open sign to me that they are scum.

So wait, they're so incompetent that they'll undoubtedly reveal themselves on their own, but so cunning they can't possibly be revealed through questioning? Make up your mind, and then realize that there wouldn't be a game if either of those were true.

I'm also not sure what you mean by "act way too townie" or why that's going to happen on its own or with the statements you've been given. Please step me through the process of a scum acting way too townie and being caught for it.

Possibly? Someone's going to fuck up eventually. And yes, I just can't find a way a scum could get caught in questioning without going "I am scum."
Well let's say Townie 1,2, 3, and 4 are all accusing each other of being scum. Scum 1 decides to hop in with them. And let's say townie 3 vote's against Scum, and then townie 1 votes against him to. So Scum begins being defensive, stating he can't be scum for such reasons. So if he was going to act like a normal townie, he wouldn't have to worry about being defensive, because he wouldn't be scum. But because he is acting defensive, he clearly is scum.
Hope that helps.

Quote from: IronyOwl on July 14, 2011, 11:35:37 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 11:16:16 pm

Your just totally implying I should ask questions all day. Which, isn't going to help me scumhunt if I can't even make up a good one. I'm no interrogator.

The only way to get better, aside from realizing why you need to do so, is practice. "Can't scumhunt, so not going to" is both untrue and suspiciously passive.

Can't practice if I can't even think of a decent question that isn't bullshit or irrelevant.

Quote from: IronyOwl on July 14, 2011, 11:35:37 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 11:16:16 pm

There is plenty he could say. He could just simply say he isn't scum and come back with an argument saying I am scum, though that would be scum to vote back now wouldn't it.

First of all, scumtells aren't quite the same thing as being scum. This is especially true because many scumtells are only such when they're unjustified or done a certain way- voting you because you're attacking him with garbage arguments isn't scummy, for instance.

Secondly, this is the long, pointless, slow way to go about it. "You're scum, Max." "No, I'm not." Great. Thrilling conversation. What's your next response? "No, you totally are."? What response could he give that's both useful and not a supposed scumtell?

"Oh so just because you say your not scum I should totally believe your not scum?"
I dunno, a response that leaves some kind of clue that he could be? Sitting here and just waiting for someone else to get a decent answer out of someone else isn't helping me scumhunt.

Quote from: IronyOwl on July 14, 2011, 11:35:37 pm

Now you're telling me about statements not being questions? You've got a lot of snark or you're a shameless hypocrite, but regardless, I would think "please restate your case on anzki" would translate to "Meanmelter, why do you suspect anzki again?" rather easily. Why were you more concerned about being stubborn or snarky than about answering the question and pressing your case? Don't you want an opportunity to explain to everyone why anzki is totally scum?

Well according to this, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88758.msg2440759#msg2440759) and this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88758.msg2440897#msg2440897) I am apparently a snarky douche.
 But, I got to agree with you on the last one, I can't really say he is scum. But everyone is accusing him of being one.

Anywho, I'm off to bed. I'm expecting a lot of rant's toward myself and how I should totally take a chill-pill and whatnots.

Also, ninja'd

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 01:36:31 am

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 12:21:23 am

I'm expecting a lot of rant's toward myself and how I should totally take a chill-pill and whatnots.

AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAA

Not while I'm your IC, pipsqueak.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 7/7+2/2
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 01:43:37 am

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 08:08:11 am

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/9q8kt5.jpg)

Oh, and no, I can't believe that's a picture of me, either.  I mean really.  Who does that girl think she is.  Sitting in the flowers and things.

Shouldn't she be doing something more Vectory?  Like smashing the skulls of her enemies beneath her enormous black boots?

... Yeah, that's actually me about two years and a couple of months ago.  Good looking kid.  Hehehehehe

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 01:44:31 am

Yeah, okay, Vector has to sleep now or something because the alternative is too horrid to contemplate.  Night, doods.  Sleep soundly and get ready to kick ass tomorrow morning.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 03:38:30 am

THREADSPLOSION!!! This thing got big, fast. Lots of reading to do. I have skimmed over it, but I haven't looked over it carefully enough with a fine tooth comb for scum tells. I shall be doing that next.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 07:17:34 pm

Max White-Why  the hell are you NOT voting anyone.  You skipped the RVS stage completely and didn't post a vote.

Well, after a few games, I have sort of built my own style for taking care of early game voting. The most of the game, but d1 more than ever, I only vote when I feel sure about scum. It sometimes has a brutal effectiveness. I shall vote when I am ready to see somebody lynched.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:34:19 pm

Max White: What is up with you just going away after you said something that sounded scummy here:

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You know, I was thinking that what freeform said made sense, glad you were there to correct me on exactly how scum thinks.

I have been out all day on the town. Had to go get some shopping, see a doctor, and had a great lunch.

As a general rule, if somebody goes away, unless it is for a few days, it is because they are attending to life. The game has only been going for about a day, so you can't expect me to be here constantly.

As for that specific quote, it was a reaction test. I wanted to see if he would read it as 'I'm happy that you were willing to share a great insight into what the scum are after' or if he was more paranoid and read it as 'You just gave away that you are thinking like scum, so you must be scum'
I didn't get a reaction at all, so I guess he passed that one.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 10:54:49 pm

Max White I dunno why, but everytime I see this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88758.msg2440854#msg2440854) it just screams your I.D. says Mr.Scum on it.

Hmm, maybe we do have a reaction, a long time after I posted it. Makes me think you had to ask your scumchat about it. You didn't fully fail that reaction test, but then again you didn't do well.
Meanmelter: What else has your scum hunting bought up?

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 01:43:37 am

Shouldn't she be doing something more Vectory?  Like smashing the skulls of her enemies beneath her enormous black boots?

Her gaze alone is melting the face of the photographer.


Gotta go read, be back with what ever I find.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:04:29 am

So thee people have stood out to me, one of them very understandable, two of them not so much, but I think I should still bring them up. Vector and Jim have both seemed to advise that massive walls of text analysing every post arn't productive, and tend to get over looked, so I shall bring forward anything I think is realy significant that is new...

Meanmelter
Wow, this guy has sort of stepped into hot water. Normally I would look at he's case as being newbie mistakes, but there is something scummy about him that I haven't seen in anybody else here.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:24:11 pm

I was going to see if he was going to state that he was not a scum or say something relevant to that. Perhaps even vote against someone else and accuse them of being scum. IT is RVS. I can change as I please. I believe.

This is a rather angsty reply to an IC.
Now normally a new player is faced with the task of finding scum, through means not understood to them, and they have to do it well or get voted out. A daunting task, and to make it worse they don't have a friend in the world, except the IC's... As such the normal response is to either be very willing to listen to the IC's, as they offer the only source of security, or be super paranoid and suspect the IC's more than anybody, as they are the biggest threat.
The fact that Meanmelter is giving a similar reply that a rebellious teenager would give their parent when asked to clean their room indicates he has another IC to listen to for advice, he doesn't feel compelled to hug up to the IC's, or destroy them, he feels he has the support to do what ever the hell he wants.
There has been other points against him, but they have been made.

kilakan
Kilakan has been rather aggressive in the past. I think Vector would approve. He has said he is trying to tone that down a little, and that is reassuring, but I'm still going to present my case.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:04:26 pm

Well he seems to be attempting to emotionally buddy me due to agreeing with everything I say, and then attacking the person I was attacking using similar questions as my own.  Though in a non-begginner game I would call him scum for it, I think here it's more a case of him trying to learn by 'kind-of' copying others.  Where it's not exactly bandwaggoning, or exactly parroting but kinda acting as the other person would.  Of course I don't know much to anything about him so it may very well be that he is similar to me. *shudders*

Here we have a typically aggressive player with evidence against another player, and he just shrugs it off, justifying it as a newbie mistake. It seems scummy to point out flaws in a player, then dismiss it, as if to pre-emptively build a defence.
Also, when freeform was pushed, kilakan interfered.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:08:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Not to answer for him but I can't resist.  Why don't you tell me?

This looks like scum trying to protect he's newbie buddy from a tricky question.
Also, scum tend to vote together d1

Quote from: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:13:47 pm

Flintus10 -2- anzki4, Deadmeat1471
anzki4 -2- freeformschooler, kilakan
freeformschooler -1- Meanmelter
Meanmelter -1- Vector

Not voting: Max White, IronyOwl, Flintus10

Now these is one massive problem with all this, and were it not for this I would be voting for kilakan. You should never try to link two players are scum, when neither have yet been lynched. It only helps the scum team. My strongest points here are only because of a link, and as such I plan to continue as normal, but keep my eyes open to both kilakan and freeform.
Still, I feel it is important to put these here, because now if I get killed or lynched, and later on one of these two is lynched and turns scum, my reasons will still be here daunting on them.
Don't go to bed with something on your mind!

freeformschooler
Well I can't suspect kilakan without this, can I? He has also given other evidence, but I feel it has been pointed out.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 15, 2011, 05:30:24 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:32:48 pm

And if he knows they're crappy and random, he could have lead with questions that were more useful. So it looks like he was trying to start the game by just doing anything to divert attention to himself.

Divert attention to myself? Why would I do that?

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:32:48 pm

More useful questions, he was called out on the wording but I believe he was still just diverting attention, especially by unvoting VERY quickly after being responded to, as opposed to pressing for more information (shades of not caring who to vote for).

It's called Random Vote Stage I believe.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:32:48 pm

And here we get to the good stuff. He starts here a trend of just avoiding stuff.

So me not knowing what "winging it" means is avoiding? You realize I answered to that afterwards?

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:32:48 pm

It starts out light but leads into this:

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Quote from: kilakan on Today at 10:44:46 am

anzki4 Is this implying you are a red spy?

You tell me.

Which was a clear dodge and a bad answer entirely. So early in the game, without much evidence against him, he could have easily just said "no".

For that I have already given answer.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:32:48 pm

And then I just don't understand this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

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Let me get this clear Meanmelter, do you think that "not backstabbing us" is same as "protecting us"?

When clearly not backstabbing is a legitimate form of protecting.

Not backstabbing is a legitimate form of protecting? Sure as hell it isn't! "Not backstabbing" is being neutral at best, not protecting.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:32:48 pm

Then there's the fact he was so active then resigned to being inactive around the time I voted for him. To top it all off, there's also how he NEVER CHANGED his vote from Flintus10, a lurker/inactive dude, even though he was one of the most active members earlier on, and thus could more reasonably spot scumtells just from the amount of reading.

Maybe because he hadn't answered my question yet? And maybe I didn't sit starting this thread the whole yesterday. Just what was morning/early day in Finland.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 15, 2011, 05:34:39 am

And "starting" means "staring" in my previous post  ::)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 05:38:12 am

*AHEM*

NO QUOTING MODS!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:42:39 am

Oh, shit. Sorry.
But it was in the thread, for everybody to see, it wasn't even a role pm or anything, and otherwise I would just be saying Darvi said it on page X, and it isn't even a very big quote....
Fine, I apologise for forgetting that one.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:48:09 am

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Divert attention to myself? Why would I do that?

Yes yes, AWAY.

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Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:32:48 pm

And here we get to the good stuff. He starts here a trend of just avoiding stuff.

So me not knowing what "winging it" means is avoiding? You realize I answered to that afterwards?

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:32:48 pm

It starts out light but leads into this:

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Quote from: kilakan on Today at 10:44:46 am

anzki4 Is this implying you are a red spy?

You tell me.

Which was a clear dodge and a bad answer entirely. So early in the game, without much evidence against him, he could have easily just said "no".

For that I have already given answer.

Indeed you did. You replied with this:

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I know that I am not a scum, but however I do not know what my actions imply* to him.

And when pressed about that, you replied with this:

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Because I know that I am not a scum, but no else does not.

You expected it to end there like that was some answer but it still doesn't explain your original answer. If you KNOW you're not
scum, why the sudden attitude of really wanting everyone to believe it?

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Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:32:48 pm

More useful questions, he was called out on the wording but I believe he was still just diverting attention, especially by unvoting VERY quickly after being responded to, as opposed to pressing for more information (shades of not caring who to vote for).

It's called Random Vote Stage I believe.

Indeed. However, we're still playing Mafia. A town would have still pressed for much more
information on that person or another as they could before moving on with just a simple answer. I for example believed it was very possible Meanmelter was scum, but when I didn't get much out of him, as opposed to getting a lot out of you, I changed my vote but only then.

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Not backstabbing is a legitimate form of protecting? Sure as hell it isn't! "Not backstabbing" is being neutral at best, not protecting.

How is not backstabbing not a legitimate form of protecting the other towns? If you're mafia, you're aiming to be backstabbing - the opposite of protecting the towns. You want them anything BUT protected. If you're town, you're not aiming to be backstabbing - you're aiming to lynch scum. In fact, by not backstabbing other towns, you're protecting both yourself and the other towns by keeping yourselves from falling into lylo. Your definition here seems awful scummy.
 

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Maybe because he hadn't answered my question yet? And maybe I didn't sit starting this thread the whole yesterday. Just what was morning/early day in Finland.

Then I assume you can reasonably now determine who's scum? Other than yourself. Of course, Flintus has rejoined us now, and he's said some real scummy things so I will give you that. 'Course that could just mean you two are in cohorts hmm?
 
 

Spoiler: Oh and (click to show/hide)

I won't be able to be as active today as I was yesterday Job hunting day.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 06:00:13 am

Quote from: anzki4 on July 15, 2011, 05:30:24 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 07:32:48 pm

And if he knows they're crappy and random, he could have lead with questions that were more useful. So it looks like he was trying to start the game by just doing anything to divert attention to himself.

Divert attention to myself? Why would I do that?

Dude, your trying to inspire WIFOM reasoning. Perhaps you are scum who planned to bring attention to themselves as justification for being a townie? Sometimes townies draw attention to themselves, as such how much attention you have on you isn't really a valid point, but trying to justify it with WIFOM type arguments is scummy.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 06:12:34 am

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:04:29 am

freeformschooler
Well I can't suspect kilakan without this, can I? He has also given other evidence, but I feel it has been pointed out.

There's a major flaw in your thinking if you have to tack this onto there.

You can, in fact, suspect somebody without suspecting somebody else through implication. That is what you should be doing.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 06:14:53 am

I suspect kilakan for being in a team with freeform, but I don't have to suspect freeform for being in a team with kilakan?
Give my brain a second to stop doing backflips...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 06:26:04 am

No, geniusface.

If you suspect freeformschooler only because of some connection you think you see between him and kilakan (you're probably wrong about that anyway) then you're doing your scumhunting wrong.

You can use scumteam tells to help you guide your scumhunting but you really shouldn't be lynching on them until somebody flips scum. Calling scumteams is a great way to block yourself from hunting effectively.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 15, 2011, 06:29:20 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:48:09 am

I for example believed it was very possible Meanmelter was scum, but when I didn't get much out of him, as opposed to getting a lot out of you, I changed my vote but only then.

How is this relevant to... anything. Could you explain to what this whole thing refers to?

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:48:09 am

How is not backstabbing not a legitimate form of protecting the other towns? If you're mafia, you're aiming to be backstabbing - the opposite of protecting the towns. You want them anything BUT protected. If you're town, you're not aiming to be backstabbing - you're aiming to lynch scum. In fact, by not backstabbing other towns, you're protecting both yourself and the other towns by keeping yourselves from falling into lylo. Your definition here seems awful scummy.

You realize that if person A was idly lurking in the corner the whole day, he would not be backstabbing anyone. So according to your definition he would be protecting us or...?

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Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

Haven’t ever played as mafia since like some paranormal game when I had 0 idea of what I was doing and should never have joined so I guess I would definitely be heeding the scum IC’s advice and basically trying to play active, look like I am scum-hunting and generally not throw out too many tells.

Fair enough. Unvote.

Now I need to do some real life stuff after which I will read the pages I missed.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 06:30:51 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 06:26:04 am

No, geniusface.

If you suspect freeformschooler only because of some connection you think you see between him and kilakan (you're probably wrong about that anyway) then you're doing your scumhunting wrong.

You can use scumteam tells to help you guide your scumhunting but you really shouldn't be lynching on them until somebody flips scum. Calling scumteams is a great way to block yourself from hunting effectively.

Oh, so you mean

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:04:29 am

Now these is one massive problem with all this, and were it not for this I would be voting for kilakan. You should never try to link two players are scum, when neither have yet been lynched. It only helps the scum team. My strongest points here are only because of a link, and as such I plan to continue as normal, but keep my eyes open to both kilakan and freeform.
Still, I feel it is important to put these here, because now if I get killed or lynched, and later on one of these two is lynched and turns scum, my reasons will still be here daunting on them.
Don't go to bed with something on your mind!

Webadict warned me about linking players before one of them has been lynched last game, so I'm not going to go to lynch over this, but I wanted to point it out in case I get killed tonight.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 07:17:10 am

Spoiler: Flintus (click to show/hide)

Quote from: anzki4 on July 15, 2011, 06:29:20 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:48:09 am

I for example believed it was very possible Meanmelter was scum, but when I didn't get much out of him, as opposed to getting a lot out of you, I changed my vote but only then.

How is this relevant to... anything. Could you explain to what this whole thing refers to?

Yes. I can. During RVS, I voted Meanmelter, and I pressed and pressed like I'm supposed to and didn't get anything back.
Later, after pressing you, and going over my previous conversations and all the previous evidence, I changed my vote.
You voted Flintus during RVS, same as me. However, you hardly pressed him for information at all, and then you started having a lengthy argument with me and others.
Despite the fact that Flintus wasn't around, and despite you having clear view of everyone else's scumtells, you showed no indication of looking to change your vote. Like you didn't care. Like scum.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:48:09 am

How is not backstabbing not a legitimate form of protecting the other towns? If you're mafia, you're aiming to be backstabbing - the opposite of protecting the towns. You want them anything BUT protected. If you're town, you're not aiming to be backstabbing - you're aiming to lynch scum. In fact, by not backstabbing other towns, you're protecting both yourself and the other towns by keeping yourselves from falling into lylo. Your definition here seems awful scummy.

You realize that if person A was idly lurking in the corner the whole day, he would not be backstabbing anyone. So according to your definition he would be protecting us or...?

Actually, he would be backstabbing someone. By lurking all day, he would hope that either
A) No one would notice him and thus not suspect him or
B) Even though people noticed he was lurking they wouldn't have much evidence against him as a scum
In both situations he can be easily passed of as a negelegent town. Then come night, he backstabs one of the people who didn't have evidence against him as scum.
A town cannot backstab someone in the first place, because they are not scum and cannot nightkill.
In this example any town is still aiming to protect the other towns way more than the guy who will inevitably backstab someone.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 07:19:49 am

Heh, I meant to say "Spoiler: anzki4".

Anyway, Max White why are you so quick to suspect me long after I was done trying to learn from kilakan? What connection do you still see there, or are you just quick to assume somebody in general hmm?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 07:27:34 am

Quick to suspect? I read things over a few times before deciding there was most likely a connection, and nobody teams like you and kilakan team, bro. You just better hope neither of you are lynched, or I'm coming after the other, and there will be blood.
Also interesting to note the 'or' used here. He is asserting that if I can't bring in even more evidence, the other option is that I was quick to go pointing fingers.
Evidence from the very first post is just as valuable as anything more recent.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 15, 2011, 07:40:37 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 07:17:10 am

Yes. I can. During RVS, I voted Meanmelter, and I pressed and pressed like I'm supposed to and didn't get anything back.
Later, after pressing you, and going over my previous conversations and all the previous evidence, I changed my vote.
You voted Flintus during RVS, same as me. However, you hardly pressed him for information at all, and then you started having a lengthy argument with me and others.
Despite the fact that Flintus wasn't around, and despite you having clear view of everyone else's scumtells, you showed no indication of looking to change your vote. Like you didn't care. Like scum.

Oh. It was an example "how things should be done." IMO, it's quite scummy to say "look I did it right, do it like me", unless your IC.

BTW, this thing of your is awfully conflicting. First you accuse me being scummy, because I changed my vote after one question. Then you accuse me for being scummy, because I did not change my vote before getting an answer. Care to elaborate?

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 07:17:10 am

You realize that if person A was idly lurking in the corner the whole day, he would not be backstabbing anyone. So according to your definition he would be protecting us or...?

Actually, he would be backstabbing someone. By lurking all day, he would hope that either
A) No one would notice him and thus not suspect him or
B) Even though people noticed he was lurking they wouldn't have much evidence against him as a scum
In both situations he can be easily passed of as a negelegent town. Then come night, he backstabs one of the people who didn't have evidence against him as scum.
A town cannot backstab someone in the first place, because they are not scum and cannot nightkill.
In this example any town is still aiming to protect the other towns way more than the guy who will inevitably backstab someone.

But the problem is you don't know who is town. And backstab means - if I am not completely mistaken - betray, not (necessarily) nightkill. And no, if town is lurking or idling whole day (therefore he cannot do anything during the night), he is not backstabbing anyone. So I ask you again, does this mean that he is protecting town, by idling?

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 07:19:49 am

Anyway, Max White why are you so quick to suspect me long after I was done trying to learn from kilakan? What connection do you still see there, or are you just quick to assume somebody in general hmm?

This seems very scummy to me. "Tell me what connection do you still see between us, so I can cut it quickly." And now your "done trying to learn from kilakan"? This too seems like screaming: "We have no connection anymore! Stop accusing me about it!"

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 07:45:57 am

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:04:29 am

So thee people have stood out to me, one of them very understandable, two of them not so much, but I think I should still bring them up. Vector and Jim have both seemed to advise that massive walls of text analysing every post arn't productive, and tend to get over looked, so I shall bring forward anything I think is realy significant that is new...

Meanmelter
Wow, this guy has sort of stepped into hot water. Normally I would look at he's case as being newbie mistakes, but there is something scummy about him that I haven't seen in anybody else here.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:24:11 pm

I was going to see if he was going to state that he was not a scum or say something relevant to that. Perhaps even vote against someone else and accuse them of being scum. IT is RVS. I can change as I please. I believe.

This is a rather angsty reply to an IC.
Now normally a new player is faced with the task of finding scum, through means not understood to them, and they have to do it well or get voted out. A daunting task, and to make it worse they don't have a friend in the world, except the IC's... As such the normal response is to either be very willing to listen to the IC's, as they offer the only source of security, or be super paranoid and suspect the IC's more than anybody, as they are the biggest threat.
The fact that Meanmelter is giving a similar reply that a rebellious teenager would give their parent when asked to clean their room indicates he has another IC to listen to for advice, he doesn't feel compelled to hug up to the IC's, or destroy them, he feels he has the support to do what ever the hell he wants.
There has been other points against him, but they have been made.

So your basing my whole scummyness because I gave a temper tantrum to the IC and that your punishing me by voting me in hopes I will get timeout and have to sit in a corner until I learned my mistake? No. I do understand the IC's are here as our guide into helping us find the scum on this planet, but that doesn't mean all of us enjoy them telling us what we should and shouldn't do.
Now the whole part about a rebellious teenager totally confused me.
But I'm still reassuring your scum. I mean, after I voted at you from something you said earlier that I just didn't like. You decide to vote back against me and make a horrible excuse that I am scum because I didn't comply with the IC? That is totally a scum move. You've also posted more than the least of us. Both you and Anzki4 and your both totally appear quite scummy. You've also haven't mentioned anything towards Anzki4 directly about his latest actions. I'm not implying that he's your scum-buddy or anything, but why not? I mean, you had barely anything to accuse me of being scum, but you have nothing on Anzki4?

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:04:29 am

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:08:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Not to answer for him but I can't resist.  Why don't you tell me?

This looks like scum trying to protect he's newbie buddy from a tricky question.
Also, scum tend to vote together d1

I do have to admit, it does look like Kilakan is trying to change the subject.
But at the same time, that is a horrible question, and I didn't have much to back it up with.
I also disagree with your last statement. If anything, a scum would vote against a scum to make himself look less suspicious.

2 ninja's

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Flintus10 on July 15, 2011, 07:48:19 am

Ugh looked over this thread so many damn times and just nothing is jumping out at me >:( still here goes

Freeform twice now you have been accused of buddying up with Kilakan and you still haven’t really said anything about it, other than oh that’s just what I am like. Is that really all you have to say about it? 

Also Kilikan why is it that twice now you have deflected questions that were directly asked of Freeform?

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:12:56 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:09:08 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:08:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Not to answer for him but I can't resist.  Why don't you tell me?

Fine. Kilakan, why should I change this vote?

You need to lay off on the snarky responses boy-o.  But since you asked, I'd say you changed the vote in a retaliation for him voting you, and you not being able to worm your way out of it, so you are voting him in the hopes he scares easily and will back off.  Something I'd say is a pretty god damn scummy move.

And

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 08:09:18 pm

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

And Freeformschooler You have definitely posted a lot and remained active but a lot of what you have said is either useless or the restatement of someone else’s point. Now correct me if I am wrong but that seems like the actions of a new scum player trying (and failing) to seem genuine does it not?

You are wrong, simply because trying to draw anything out of that is likely to end in a WIFOM.  Not to mention that the restatement part has already been addressed, but i am sure you will get to that.

Wait does that make what you just said about restatements a restatement.... ow my head.

Why can’t you just let the guy fend for himself?
I believe that one of you is scum and buddying up to the other and the fact is right now Kilikan looks like he is doing more for the town while the content coming from Freeform is a lot more meaningless or has already been said so it really does seem he is posting just to appear active.

FREEFORM What do you believe your contributions to town have been so far?
KILAKAN Why did you protect Freeform both of those times?

Also as a side note Deadmeat you said this earlier.

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:06:05 pm

Well I don't suspect any of the currently active people. Rightly or wrongly. I can't make a decision until I have all the information on people possible.

Well a whole lot has been said since then so who exactly are your suspects right now?

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 11:24:32 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 10:18:57 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 10:16:29 pm

KilaKan, what are you thinking of Flintus10, now that he has arisen from his long slumber.

Probably better to ask the two people voting him, especially the one who was waiting around for him to start playing the game.

I'll have a closer look later, he is obviously sly, even if he were a scumbag it wouldnt be evident at first.

Also what the hell makes me sly? Not being at a computer?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: breadbocks on July 15, 2011, 07:50:27 am

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Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 07:57:44 am

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 07:45:57 am

So your basing my whole scummyness because I gave a temper tantrum to the IC and that your punishing me by voting me in hopes I will get timeout and have to sit in a corner until I learned my mistake? No. I do understand the IC's are here as our guide into helping us find the scum on this planet, but that doesn't mean all of us enjoy them telling us what we should and shouldn't do.
Now the whole part about a rebellious teenager totally confused me.
But I'm still reassuring your scum. I mean, after I voted at you from something you said earlier that I just didn't like. You decide to vote back against me and make a horrible excuse that I am scum because I didn't comply with the IC? That is totally a scum move. You've also posted more than the least of us. Both you and Anzki4 and your both totally appear quite scummy. You've also haven't mentioned anything towards Anzki4 directly about his latest actions. I'm not implying that he's your scum-buddy or anything, but why not? I mean, you had barely anything to accuse me of being scum, but you have nothing on Anzki4?

Well no. I'm voting for you partly because of other reasons people bought up, if you would like me to go get some of their quotes I will. But yes, you acted in a way that is out of line with other townies, leading me to think you are not a townie. I wonder why you would imply it is my only reason?
Also note the deflection onto Anzki4. While there are some reasons against Anzki4, he's actions are closer in line with a townie who isn't exactly sure of what they are doing.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 07:45:57 am

I do have to admit, it does look like Kilakan is trying to change the subject.
But at the same time, that is a horrible question, and I didn't have much to back it up with.
I also disagree with your last statement. If anything, a scum would vote against a scum to make himself look less suspicious.

2 ninja's

Hmm, funny, as Kilakan didn't think the question was so horrible. In fact, when asked the pretty much the same thing, he was willing to answer it! Although in a way that defended freeform from he's attacker.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:12:56 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:09:08 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:08:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Not to answer for him but I can't resist.  Why don't you tell me?

Fine. Kilakan, why should I change this vote?

You need to lay off on the snarky responses boy-o.  But since you asked, I'd say you changed the vote in a retaliation for him voting you, and you not being able to worm your way out of it, so you are voting him in the hopes he scares easily and will back off.  Something I'd say is a pretty god damn scummy move.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 08:04:02 am

KilaKan If you were a Scum, and your more noobish Red Scum friend was falling under a trap, how would you help him?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 08:06:43 am

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Oh. It was an example "how things should be done." IMO, it's quite scummy to say "look I did it right, do it like me", unless your IC.

Not so much I want you to do it like me, but I had wanted to see you scumhunt LESS like a scum.

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BTW, this thing of your is awfully conflicting. First you accuse me being scummy, because I changed my vote after one question. Then you accuse me for being scummy, because I did not change my vote before getting an answer. Care to elaborate?

Actually, those both go hand in hand, but you're wrong about the second one. You changed you vote after one question, instead of pressing for more information like a town would want to do.
I am not faulting you for, on Flintus, waiting for your answer. I am faulting you for staying with the same second vote long after it was apparent Flintus wasn't getting back any time soon, and you could see all the scumtells and form your own opinion about the players actually in the game acting scummy. But you didn't want to do that. You didn't care. Not until long after the fact, when I voted for you and brought up how scummy it sounded, and you just buckled.

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But the problem is you don't know who is town. And backstab means - if I am not completely mistaken - betray, not (necessarily) nightkill. And no, if town is lurking or idling whole day (therefore he cannot do anything during the night), he is not backstabbing anyone. So I ask you again, does this mean that he is protecting town, by idling?

The problem here which you failed to tip me off to was your definition of backstabbing is different from mine.

However, look closer. You're giving conflicting questions. You started off with:

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You realize that if person A was idly lurking in the corner the whole day, he would not be backstabbing anyone. So according to your definition he would be protecting us or...?

You were talking about PERSON A, who had not been identified as a town in this context, "lurking", which is something a town wouldn't want to do but scum would. So naturally I assume PERSON A is scum in your context, and give you the answer on how scum would be backstabbing in this scenario, and you fault me for it, because clearly PERSON A was town like you identified here:

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And no, if town is lurking or idling whole day (therefore he cannot do anything during the night), he is not backstabbing anyone.

Obviously if PERSON A is town he is going to not be backstabbing anyone unless he leads a mislynch! So to me this whole thing sounds like you're screwing with me and trying to dodge logic itself. Very scummy.

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This seems very scummy to me. "Tell me what connection do you still see between us, so I can cut it quickly." And now your "done trying to learn from kilakan"? This too seems like screaming: "We have no connection anymore! Stop accusing me about it!"

If you had read through, you would know that I openly admitted to originally latching on to kilakan for the sake of learning from a regular player, but then I became suspicious of him too. Only later would I realize how defensive he is whenever someone brings anything at all up. Max accused him of being aggressive, which is confusing because town are supposed to be aggressive, so wouldn't that mean he's more town? I can't tell which right now, but now I do think he is way too defensive. If HE was town he would have no reason to defend literally everything he sees as a slight, suspicious or not.

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Freeform twice now you have been accused of buddying up with Kilakan and you still haven’t really said anything about it, other than oh that’s just what I am like. Is that really all you have to say about it?

Covered above.

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FREEFORM What do you believe your contributions to town have been so far?

For one, I believe I know who's scum, and I've prepared plenty of evidence against him to show it, some of which he attempts to dodge, making him even more scummy. What about you Flintus? You said you looked over the thread so many times and yet, nothing pops out at you? If so, you may be one of the only ones thinking that way.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 08:12:13 am

Guys. You're making me look like a lurker. Stop it.

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This is an announcement!

Meanmelter -3- IronyOwl, Max White, Vector
anzki4 -2- freeformschooler, kilakan
Flintus10 -1- Deadmeat1471
Max White -1- Meanmelter
freeformschooler -1- Flintus10

Not voting: anzki4

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Quote from: breadbocks on July 15, 2011, 07:50:27 am

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Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Flintus10 on July 15, 2011, 08:23:35 am

I think my vote is nice and comfortably on you right now.

Latching on to Kilakan "for learning" is absolutely ridiculous considering we have two IC's who are far more experienced playing alongside us. You easily could have asked them for any advice, they are even 100% town unlike Kilakan. And while you justify this you yet again say you are now slightly suspicious of Kilakan because of what others have said (about him being defensiv). It's okay to follow someone else's line of thinking and even agree with them but you are only reusing the arguments of others which is what scum do so that they can gang up on a player and give the appearance of scum-hunting without doing anything that would make draw suspicion to themselves.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 08:06:43 am

You said you looked over the thread so many times and yet, nothing pops out at you? If so, you may be one of the only ones thinking that way.

I was referring to new evidence not stuff I could simply take and re-use.

Also you have managed to distance yourself from Kilakan amazingly quick ever since it was mentioned that you two were buddying even going as far as to say you are now suspicious of him even though I saw no evidence of that before. (Correct me if I am wrong here)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 08:25:07 am

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 15, 2011, 08:23:35 am

they are even 100% town unlike Kilakan.

What gave you that ridiculous conception?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 08:28:19 am

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 15, 2011, 08:23:35 am

You easily could have asked them for any advice, they are even 100% town unlike Kilakan.

No.
They have the same chance as being town as everybody else. The only two things different from the rest of us are
1. They know the game a lot better and offer a good example and good advice.
2. They are committed to improving our game over winning for themselves.

They can very easily be scum, and so if they do something you don't fully understand, you should push the crap out of it, because some IC's see forcing you to fend off a mislynch as a great learning experience. Looking at you Vector.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 08:34:53 am

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 15, 2011, 08:23:35 am

I think my vote is nice and comfortably on you right now.

Latching on to Kilakan "for learning" is absolutely ridiculous considering we have two IC's who are far more experienced playing alongside us. You easily could have asked them for any advice, they are even 100% town unlike Kilakan. And while you justify this you yet again say you are now slightly suspicious of Kilakan because of what others have said (about him being defensiv). It's okay to follow someone else's line of thinking and even agree with them but you are only reusing the arguments of others which is what scum do so that they can gang up on a player and give the appearance of scum-hunting without doing anything that would make draw suspicion to themselves.

Reading back, it turns out it was kilakan who stated he thought I was trying to learn from him, and I just agreed. You were right about the rest of that paragraph, but I realized it much quicker then you thought:

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Also you have managed to distance yourself from Kilakan amazingly quick ever since it was mentioned that you two were buddying even going as far as to say you are now suspicious of him even though I saw no evidence of that before. (Correct me if I am wrong here)

Here's your correction:

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 06:18:47 pm

Really? Because I'm sure a town would think differently. A town wouldn't care as much about defending everything in detail, since they know they're town and have less to be worried about, unless they're about to be lynched, which at no point was your situation. A town would be more focused an aggressively ATTACKING everything in detail.

That was the point where I realized he's just as suspicious as anyone else.

Now:

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I was referring to new evidence not stuff I could simply take and re-use.

Why would you say this? Just because it's been said in the past doesn't mean somebody's picked it apart. You could very easily form your opinion on the old stuff too, like me. In fact, that's a wonderful way to get the person in question to show new scumtells, like the dodging I brought up.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Flintus10 on July 15, 2011, 08:37:30 am

Woah the IC's can be scum??  :o lol wow I thought that it would be ridiculous if they couldn't so thanks for clearing that up.

My bad but
My point still remains that if you wanted help it would make far more sense to ask the IC's for it or see what they do than just flat out copying a player with more experience that you.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Flintus10 on July 15, 2011, 08:51:25 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 08:34:53 am

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 15, 2011, 08:23:35 am

I think my vote is nice and comfortably on you right now.

Latching on to Kilakan "for learning" is absolutely ridiculous considering we have two IC's who are far more experienced playing alongside us. You easily could have asked them for any advice, they are even 100% town unlike Kilakan. And while you justify this you yet again say you are now slightly suspicious of Kilakan because of what others have said (about him being defensiv). It's okay to follow someone else's line of thinking and even agree with them but you are only reusing the arguments of others which is what scum do so that they can gang up on a player and give the appearance of scum-hunting without doing anything that would make draw suspicion to themselves.

Reading back, it turns out it was kilakan who stated he thought I was trying to learn from him, and I just agreed. You were right about the rest of that paragraph, but I realized it much quicker then you thought:

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Also you have managed to distance yourself from Kilakan amazingly quick ever since it was mentioned that you two were buddying even going as far as to say you are now suspicious of him even though I saw no evidence of that before. (Correct me if I am wrong here)

Here's your correction:

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 06:18:47 pm

Really? Because I'm sure a town would think differently. A town wouldn't care as much about defending everything in detail, since they know they're town and have less to be worried about, unless they're about to be lynched, which at no point was your situation. A town would be more focused an aggressively ATTACKING everything in detail.

That was the point where I realized he's just as suspicious as anyone else.

Now:

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I was referring to new evidence not stuff I could simply take and re-use.

Why would you say this? Just because it's been said in the past doesn't mean somebody's picked it apart. You could very easily form your opinion on the old stuff too, like me. In fact, that's a wonderful way to get the person in question to show new scumtells, like the dodging I brought up.

All fair points, though it seems a little strange that Kilikan had to tell you your reason for sticking so close to him. Anyways I must be off for it is almost tomorow and I have a football game to sleep for.

I would like to look into Kan a bit more and hear his reasons for defending you the way he did. Also not I know the IC's can be scum there is more to be learnt.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: breadbocks on July 15, 2011, 08:58:52 am

DARVI! I WANT MAH SPOIL SPEC!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Flintus10 on July 15, 2011, 09:44:14 am

You know what I am sorry but I am not feeling that into this. I am not contributing much anyways so you can ask the guy on the waiting list if he wants to take my place, it would probably benifit the game anyhow.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: breadbocks on July 15, 2011, 09:50:14 am

No. NO. You will NOT flake out on the first damn day. The only reasons to ask for a replace are if you are unable to play for some reason.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 10:27:56 am

Since I am not on all that much today I am wasting time if I don't ask questions, no matter how sure I am of anything.

IronyOwl: Why did you vote then basically disappear? Just busy or lurking?
Meanmelter: As it stands you're going to be lynched. Do you have anyone (currently Max, right?) you really believe to be scum and can prepare a wall of evidence against? In your situation I believe it would help your case. If not, why haven't you pressed the people who are about to lynch you for better evidence in hopes they'll fold?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 10:29:09 am

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 15, 2011, 09:44:14 am

You know what I am sorry but I am not feeling that into this. I am not contributing much anyways so you can ask the guy on the waiting list if he wants to take my place, it would probably benifit the game anyhow.

Wat.

You serious about that? The game barely even started!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 10:57:27 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 10:27:56 am

Meanmelter: As it stands you're going to be lynched. Do you have anyone (currently Max, right?) you really believe to be scum and can prepare a wall of evidence against? In your situation I believe it would help your case. If not, why haven't you pressed the people who are about to lynch you for better evidence in hopes they'll fold?

Sadly no. To say really believe is a definite no. I can still bring up a few suspicions on Max White though.

   

Quote from: Max White

 

Quote from: freeformschooler

Max White-Do you intend to stay as active as you did last game, and if so what will you be doing about lurkers this time?

Yea, should be. Might become a little less active when I get back into work and such, but as it is right now I'm planning to be active beyong hyper.
As for dealing with lurkers...
*Points to Darvi*
I prod Darvi, Darvi prod lurker, ain't no lurker no more!

In my opinion, he isn't very active. Infact, it's quite lurking in my opinion.

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 05:43:00 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:39:39 pm

I'm sure a scum would rather have a Cop or a Doctor lynched instead of a regular townie. So if I was scum, I'm doing a bad job at it.

You know, I was thinking that what freeform said made sense, glad you were there to correct me on exactly how scum thinks.

I'm still largely believing this is where he fucked up. He was probably just going to bandwagon who ever had the most vote, which, at the time is me. But now that he was been reminded that a scum is better off getting a doctor than some random townie.

 

Quote from: Max White

Quote from: kilakan

Max White-Why  the hell are you NOT voting anyone.  You skipped the RVS stage completely and didn't post a vote.

Well, after a few games, I have sort of built my own style for taking care of early game voting. The most of the game, but d1 more than ever, I only vote when I feel sure about scum. It sometimes has a brutal effectiveness. I shall vote when I am ready to see somebody lynched.

So because you voted for me, your obviously positive I am scum. I would like for you to state your reasons' why you believe such. Or your just a lying scum-bag.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 11:03:37 am

Quote from: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 05:38:12 am

NO QUOTING MODS!

This rule is about PMs from mods.  It does not refer to in-thread stuff in the least.

You might want to revise your understanding on that.

Quote from: breadbocks on July 15, 2011, 09:50:14 am

No. NO. You will NOT flake out on the first damn day. The only reasons to ask for a replace are if you are unable to play for some reason.

Get out of the fucking thread.

I said it once already, and you're cluttering it up with requests for spoilspecs and telling the players what to do--despite, oh, pretty much being a beginner yourself.  So move it.


As far as the content of the message:

If you just don't enjoy this game, you should ask for a replacement.  It's the right thing to do, Flintus10, and I commend you for realizing that about yourself =)  Sad to see you go, though.

Have a good time with whatever you end up doing.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 02:38:56 pm

God fucking damn people everyone rolls over onto me minutes after I go to bed?

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:04:29 am

kilakan
Kilakan has been rather aggressive in the past. I think Vector would approve. He has said he is trying to tone that down a little, and that is reassuring, but I'm still going to present my case.

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:04:26 pm

Well he seems to be attempting to emotionally buddy me due to agreeing with everything I say, and then attacking the person I was attacking using similar questions as my own.  Though in a non-begginner game I would call him scum for it, I think here it's more a case of him trying to learn by 'kind-of' copying others.  Where it's not exactly bandwaggoning, or exactly parroting but kinda acting as the other person would.  Of course I don't know much to anything about him so it may very well be that he is similar to me. *shudders*

Here we have a typically aggressive player with evidence against another player, and he just shrugs it off, justifying it as a newbie mistake. It seems scummy to point out flaws in a player, then dismiss it, as if to pre-emptively build a defence.
Also, when freeform was pushed, kilakan interfered.

Hum good point.  I shall actually go back over his case and posts.  The me being less aggressive kinda fell over here and I became too passive.

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:04:29 am

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:08:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Not to answer for him but I can't resist.  Why don't you tell me?

This looks like scum trying to protect he's newbie buddy from a tricky question.
Also, scum tend to vote together d1

Also it wasn't a protection he changed his vote, didn't give a reason and asked the person he was voting for an explanation as to why he was voting.  It screamed wrong to me.  Though largely it was a sarcastic response to him after he hit me with this:

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 11:42:06 am

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

anzki4 Is this implying you are a red spy?

You tell me.

Now to note here: He cut my quote up to suit his needs, and removed the first half of my sentence to give him something to retort to without sounding like a dipstick.

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:04:29 am

Quote from: Darvi on July 14, 2011, 07:13:47 pm

Flintus10 -2- anzki4, Deadmeat1471
anzki4 -2- freeformschooler, kilakan
freeformschooler -1- Meanmelter
Meanmelter -1- Vector

Not voting: Max White, IronyOwl, Flintus10

Now these is one massive problem with all this, and were it not for this I would be voting for kilakan. You should never try to link two players are scum, when neither have yet been lynched. It only helps the scum team. My strongest points here are only because of a link, and as such I plan to continue as normal, but keep my eyes open to both kilakan and freeform.
Still, I feel it is important to put these here, because now if I get killed or lynched, and later on one of these two is lynched and turns scum, my reasons will still be here daunting on them.
Don't go to bed with something on your mind!

So let me get this straight, in your mind then that also means that anzki4 and deadmeat1471 are scum buddies too?  Though due to freeformschooler's current attitude I can see why you've been thinking this.  But get me straight, he's gonna be run under my metal tires of pain soon enough, other people just fucked up more and I wasn't worried so much about him at the time.

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:47:01 pm

Actually kilikan I would say you really handwaved him copying everything you do and he continued afterwards, his shot at Deadmeat for voting for me for lurking is one example.

Also did you really need to help freeform out here he was already trying to defend himself. You guys seem to be working pretty well together.

I kinda hand-waved him because he does seem extremely nooby to me, and the first time I played I ended up copying a few people.  Though yes it is really starting to annoy me and if he keeps it up I'll go back over his posts and really scrutinize him encase he is scum.

I wasn't defending him, I was attacking what you said for being bullshit that could only lead to a WIFOM. 

Wait a second Max White-If I'm scum for letting freeformschooler copy me without grinding him to a past, what do you think about Flintus here calling out the same connection mere posts after you?

Spoilered cause I don't wanna try and cut this up:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 15, 2011, 07:48:19 am

Ugh looked over this thread so many damn times and just nothing is jumping out at me still here goes

Freeform twice now you have been accused of buddying up with Kilakan and you still haven’t really said anything about it, other than oh that’s just what I am like. Is that really all you have to say about it? 

Also Kilikan why is it that twice now you have deflected questions that were directly asked of Freeform?

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:12:56 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:09:08 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:08:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Not to answer for him but I can't resist.  Why don't you tell me?

Fine. Kilakan, why should I change this vote?

You need to lay off on the snarky responses boy-o.  But since you asked, I'd say you changed the vote in a retaliation for him voting you, and you not being able to worm your way out of it, so you are voting him in the hopes he scares easily and will back off.  Something I'd say is a pretty god damn scummy move.

And

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 08:09:18 pm

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 14, 2011, 08:01:23 pm

And Freeformschooler You have definitely posted a lot and remained active but a lot of what you have said is either useless or the restatement of someone else’s point. Now correct me if I am wrong but that seems like the actions of a new scum player trying (and failing) to seem genuine does it not?

You are wrong, simply because trying to draw anything out of that is likely to end in a WIFOM.  Not to mention that the restatement part has already been addressed, but i am sure you will get to that.

Wait does that make what you just said about restatements a restatement.... ow my head.

Why can’t you just let the guy fend for himself?
I believe that one of you is scum and buddying up to the other and the fact is right now Kilikan looks like he is doing more for the town while the content coming from Freeform is a lot more meaningless or has already been said so it really does seem he is posting just to appear active.

FREEFORM What do you believe your contributions to town have been so far?
KILAKAN Why did you protect Freeform both of those times?

Also as a side note Deadmeat you said this earlier.

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 07:06:05 pm

Well I don't suspect any of the currently active people. Rightly or wrongly. I can't make a decision until I have all the information on people possible.

Well a whole lot has been said since then so who exactly are your suspects right now?

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 11:24:32 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 14, 2011, 10:18:57 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 10:16:29 pm

KilaKan, what are you thinking of Flintus10, now that he has arisen from his long slumber.

Probably better to ask the two people voting him, especially the one who was waiting around for him to start playing the game.

I'll have a closer look later, he is obviously sly, even if he were a scumbag it wouldnt be evident at first.

Also what the hell makes me sly? Not being at a computer?

Now why the hell do you have to restate exactly what Max White already went over.  Seems you are attempting to copy him, same shit he's accusing freeformschooler of.
Now to restate:  First time I was already in a attack pattern on meanmelter, he tried to juke me by questioning Freeformschooler.  Like above my first reply to him was a sarcastic reply due to what he replied to me earlier.  The second reply was an attack on him for taking a fucking crappy attack route.

The second reply to flintus had nothing to do with defense, he was using a WIFOM as an attack reason, that is so wrong on so many levels and I said so.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 08:04:02 am

KilaKan If you were a Scum, and your more noobish Red Scum friend was falling under a trap, how would you help him?

It would depend on previous goings on in the thread.

NOW let me re-read this thread encase I missed and scum-shit.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 02:58:24 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 02:38:56 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:04:29 am

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 05:08:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 14, 2011, 05:06:45 pm

Freeformschooler Why should I change this vote?

Not to answer for him but I can't resist.  Why don't you tell me?

This looks like scum trying to protect he's newbie buddy from a tricky question.
Also, scum tend to vote together d1

Also it wasn't a protection he changed his vote, didn't give a reason and asked the person he was voting for an explanation as to why he was voting.  It screamed wrong to me.  Though largely it was a sarcastic response to him after he hit me with this:

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 11:42:06 am

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

anzki4 Is this implying you are a red spy?

You tell me.

Now to note here: He cut my quote up to suit his needs, and removed the first half of my sentence to give him something to retort to without sounding like a dipstick.

Wait okay hold on. You're saying "after he hit me with this" like except for you, any of the people involved in the first quote were any of the same people involved in the second quote. I know you were on a dog gamn righteous crusade against both meanmelter and anzki4 -- and I STILL think anzki4 is scum -- but it looks like you are getting them confused and not bother to read the quote authors.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 15, 2011, 02:58:57 pm

@kilakan, I think you got quotes mixed up...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 03:06:14 pm

Quote from: From this game

backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab

Everybody shut up about this. It's not even a proper mafia term. It's stupid for anybody to be arguing about it.

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 11:03:37 am

Quote from: breadbocks on July 15, 2011, 09:50:14 am

No. NO. You will NOT flake out on the first damn day. The only reasons to ask for a replace are if you are unable to play for some reason.

Get out of the fucking thread.

I said it once already, and you're cluttering it up with requests for spoilspecs and telling the players what to do--despite, oh, pretty much being a beginner yourself.  So move it.

Seriously, breadbocks.

Shut the fuck up.

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 15, 2011, 09:44:14 am

You know what I am sorry but I am not feeling that into this. I am not contributing much anyways so you can ask the guy on the waiting list if he wants to take my place, it would probably benifit the game anyhow.

You're doing fine. I think you should try to stick it out a little bit longer.

If it still doesn't work out for you, request a replacement. Better to do that than simply disappear and not play.

Quote from: Flintus10 on July 15, 2011, 08:37:30 am

Woah the IC's can be scum??  :o lol wow I thought that it would be ridiculous if they couldn't so thanks for clearing that up.

My bad but
My point still remains that if you wanted help it would make far more sense to ask the IC's for it or see what they do than just flat out copying a player with more experience that you.

Actually, that's exactly what the ICs are there to do. They provide helpful advice about how to improve your play, but they also provide examples that you can look up to and compare yourself to.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 07:45:57 am

So your basing my whole scummyness because I gave a temper tantrum to the IC and that your punishing me by voting me in hopes I will get timeout and have to sit in a corner until I learned my mistake? No. I do understand the IC's are here as our guide into helping us find the scum on this planet, but that doesn't mean all of us enjoy them telling us what we should and shouldn't do.

Welp, they're there for the whole game, even after they're killed, so you better get used to getting advice from them.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 08:06:43 am

Not so much I want you to do it like me, but I had wanted to see you scumhunt LESS like a scum.

. . .

Actually, those both go hand in hand, but you're wrong about the second one. You changed you vote after one question, instead of pressing for more information like a town would want to do.

You're completely off base about what makes up a town and scum. Not asking a followup question to an RVS isn't really a scum move. Asking a followup question to an RVS isn't really a town move either.

It's pretty neutral in terms of scumminess and towniness. You're better off looking elsewhere.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 03:11:37 pm

All fair points Jim, thanks. And especially with that last one I really don't think I have enough to go on right now. I mean Anzki4 doesn't seem really interested in finding scum but my evidence has fallen apart and I still wanna use it.

Unvote.

Hrm.

I am going to have to do some more rereading, prodding and way too much writing before I vote again. I still am suspicious about anzki4 but I just don't have enough to go on right now, and he's not providing me with much. But back to that in a bit.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 03:36:12 pm

To avoid any You're talking about the wrong person I shall title this for you:
RELATING TO ANZKI4

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 08:30:29 am

Deadmeat1471, how do you plan to find the scums ?

freeformschooler, what is your favorite class ?

Meanmelter, which is better color, red or blue?

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 08:47:23 am

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 08:30:29 am

Deadmeat1471, how do you plan to find the scums ?

I plan on voting randomly and probing the target for information and tells. Hopefully revealing a scumbag in the process.

anzki4 whats your plan?

Holy shit I missed this the first time through.  Very fucking weird that the only half decent question went to the apparent RVS vote.  The answer was so generic and rather unlike deadmeat's further response.  Not to mention it ended with him asking the same question back

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 09:58:07 am

Quote from: Deadmeat1471 on July 14, 2011, 08:47:23 am

anzki4 whats your plan?

Pretty much the same as you, random voting and questioning,.

With the same response.

Then folds his vote off immediately and votes for the person who said they'd be gone for 12 hours, thus not letting them respond quickly:

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 10:27:11 am

Unvote.

Flintus10, you were picked up by the lady luck. Tell me, if she would have chosen you to become a red spy as well, what would be your strategy ?

I somehow doubt this was another random vote.  Especially since he didn't even try to push his fist RVS.


Hey look at this, anzki4 replied to a question towards his initial RVS, and bolded a word for emphasis.  Albeit it is a role-fish, and freeformschooler admits it is here.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 10:03:54 am

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 09:58:07 am

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 08:56:17 am

Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?

Rolefishing already?

Yes. It's a double edged sword -- if he's not the role I'm taking a wild guess at, I get at least a look at his playstyle. Maybe even spot a scumtell.

RELATING TO FREEFORMSCHOOLER

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 12:18:26 pm

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 11:42:06 am

Quote from: kilakan on July 14, 2011, 10:44:46 am

anzki4 Is this implying you are a red spy?

You tell me.

Why would you say this, instead of just "no" and why not (an explanation/retort)? That sounds like you're expecting it to be a catch-all answer to push the real answer (no or yes) back to kilakan's judgement, instead of being confident about not being scum.

Uh huh, ok I missed this the first time since I was busy typing my reply already but:  WHAT THE FUCK!  Ok so you started by trying to attack the scum for me, then replied to my attack for me.  Then followed up by fucking following me:

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 01:50:28 pm

A lot of what kilakan said I wouldn't use as scumtells, but with these things in particular:

Quote

Ok so you unvote after asking a SINGLE question to your initial RVS, and then (even though plenty of posting has occurred) you throw another random RVS out there with a question that would only result in a WIFOM answer?  Knowing someones strategy if they were scum is a pointless thing. 
Unless of course you have played with said person many many times and would already know how they act as scum.  I assume you haven't played with Flintus enough to know him that well?

Quote

I wasn't asking you if your actions imply you are a red spy.  I was asking if that sentence implies you are a red spy.  As for what I expected you to answer, I wanted a reason for that, which you did give.  Adding on the retort "You tell me." is fucking pointless and just something you would want to say to bolster your ego.
A better comeback would be to actually ask a question with some merit.

Both would normally be blue text on their own (particularly that last one which has now been properly replied to), but together, in addition to my previous doubts, I'm going to unvote and change my vote to anzki4. He's the most scummy-acting person I've seen (and have seen been documented) in the game so far, at least until I can put together something on someone else. And until the lurkers/not-online folk come back.

anzki4, wouldn't it be more beneficial for you if you were a town (it would certainly cast less doubts) to still say, for example, "I'm not scum" rather than "I know that I am not a scum" because the latter seems like a marginally more scummy thing to say.

Now if I were building an actual case against him, then someone voting him without contributing shit all to it wouldn't bother me so much.  However he didn't fucking contribute he quoted me instead of the person he was voting for, WITHOUT giving his take on what the scum bag was doing, instead he stuck on an I agree.  Now he did say that he was the most scummy acting person and he wanted to see more from other people but still I mean you don't quote someone else when voting another without at least giving your take on it.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 14, 2011, 05:01:01 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 14, 2011, 04:39:49 pm

Quote from: anzki4 on July 14, 2011, 12:28:16 pm

Max White, what do you think of the happenings of the day?

What I am, your daddy? No, that job goes to Irony. I'm more of your older brother, the cool one, Kilakan is the geeky one.
Oh right, the question.

What? Why would you say that? Even if there are humorous forum in-shenanigans, I believe anzki4 was still asking you a genuine question. If he had asked me what I thought I probably would have given a summation of my thoughts on the events, and used it as a great way to provide a person scumtell recap, like for instance:

Max White:
-Very helpful, but looks to be trying to stay neutral to a lot of previous happenings
-Dodges away from a simple question than any town would happily answer.

Ok well here he defends anzki4 from Max's retort.  Then answers the question directed towards Maxwhite.  It seems like he tried to fucking defend both of them at the same time.  He gets his panties in a knot about Max White's response but then downplays it as forum shenanigans.  Then gives a nicey nice answer to a question NOT DIRECTED TO HIM!  BUT the answer wasn't even completely related to the question, it was fucking twisted to be easier to answer.
Freeformschooler-What do you hope to gain by continuously copying people, admitting it, and defending BOTH sides of an attack?

Quote from: anzki4 on July 15, 2011, 02:58:57 pm

@kilakan, I think you got quotes mixed up...

Yes yes I did there, problem is that both of you have done the why am I doing this line.  You told me to answer my own fucking question, and Meanmelter asked Freeform to tell him why he changed his vote.  So due to the relative closeness of the two attitudes I got screwed up.

So because this is a huge post it ends here while i read over the rest of the thread, make notes and eat my god damn lunch.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 03:38:28 pm

Also darvi can I get a vote count, so I can sort out who's who cause I've confused one person for another twice now thanks to this unstoppable torrent of muddy water.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 03:48:16 pm

Vector-You've been insanely quite, and have used excuses of sleep, vampires and other things but you still manage to get time in to yell at Breadbocks and post in the happy/sad/rage threads a fair amount.   Now for you that's pretty much lurking, and due to your previous game this is striking me as odd.  Now your post count so far is abysmal and your posts are mainly IC'ing or telling breadbocks to get out.
What are your two current scumpicks and why are they the top?
If you can't read through the whole thread I want this based on at least the first ten pages.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 03:55:22 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 03:36:12 pm

Freeformschooler-What do you hope to gain by continuously copying people, admitting it, and defending BOTH sides of an attack?

First of all, your entire argument against me was entertaining because I can answer nearly all of the accusations in the same way. Your argument here is based on me defending a point a person made for this or accusing them for that, and then switching and defending a different person's point and the accusing a different person. Fact is, it's still turn one. My entire goal right now is finding who's scum.  I CAN'T KNOW who's scum, so I call them as I see them, no matter who it is or what they're saying. If they say something or speak a way and it looks scummy, I press it. Hard. If it doesn't, I don't try to press it (one of my biggest newbie mistakes was that I did the opposite on some occasions, I will give you that), and take a different route. If I take a side and stick with it, I'd call that ignorance.

What I'm saying is, so early on, if I take a side here and a side there and stick with them without being absolutely sure, I'm being ignorant and that will catch up to me, fast. So my strategy here right now -- ESPECIALLY now that I don't currently have a vote -- is to take and give each blow as they come up until the point where I have a case against someone.

So kilakan: Why is your most major accusation that I don't stick with imaginary sides that you believe I am/should be attached to? Any town would feel the same as me I'm sure. But as for scum, I would consider thinking you should take sides this early other than to vote being a major slip up, but an easy one to make. Right?

Quote

Now if I were building an actual case against him, then someone voting him without contributing shit all to it wouldn't bother me so much.  However he didn't fucking contribute he quoted me instead of the person he was voting for, WITHOUT giving his take on what the scum bag was doing, instead he stuck on an I agree.  Now he did say that he was the most scummy acting person and he wanted to see more from other people but still I mean you don't quote someone else when voting another without at least giving your take on it.

I'm not concerned so much with answering this part as you still have some thread to read -- I didn't make my huge case against anzki4 until later on.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 04:02:51 pm

Insanely quiet with an "abysmal" postcount?  Fuck you too, asshole.  Pay more attention.

I have no clue which one of you fucking dipshit newbies is scum, because as far as I'm concerned you're all pretty terrible and I can't see past the smokescreen of your shit-slinging.  I'm tired of steering you guys and being told "hurr hurr you can't make us do anything!"  I'm also tired of asking people to do shit and being ignored.  You want me to play, ask me questions and take my advice.  As-is all I can do is barely herd you guys into scumhunting.  Harder to do with IronyOwl gone almost 100% of the time.

I have my own life to attend to.  Part of that is posting on this forum for social reasons because, le gasp, I have a fairly severe social disorder, so I have to get most of my emotional balance from the net.  Because I can't hold a conversation for more than two minutes in meatspace.  Sorry, was keeping it a secret around these parts, blah blah blah big reveal, Vector's a flaming nutbag full of silverware.  But of course that's not important, right?

But, oh, right, you wanted your scumpicks!  I'm so sorry for being rude.  Let me just go get those for you.

Meanmelter and Deadmeat.  For reasons that you've passed off as "just ICing," and were actually announcements of struck scumtells.  You can poke around in my posts, which apparently you've paid attention to enough to decide that their relative volume was abysmal.

Of course, they aren't both scum.  I believe at least one of the above is just a townie providing cover fire by playing badly.  I don't know which one, though, so that will have to be discovered later.  I'm doing this by providing advice, because--big surprise--it's really hard to find scum when your actual goal is to teach people how to play better.

For fuck's sake.  What a bloody nightmare.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: anzki4 on July 15, 2011, 04:17:18 pm

@Vector That wins the best post of the thread-award.


However I need to request a replacement. Some shit (nothing too serious) in real life keeps me somewhat busier next week than I am currently. I doubt I could follow this thread without sacrificing time from my activities and/or sleep, which I'm not ready to do... I hope you find a replacement...  :(

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Because why the fuck not. 6/7+2/2
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 04:25:06 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 04:02:51 pm

you fucking dipshit newbies

*sigh*

Patience, brosephina.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 04:28:24 pm

(http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3561856/2007/11/14/mavic_road_cranks.jpg)

Votecount coming soon.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 04:33:44 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 03:55:22 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 03:36:12 pm

Freeformschooler-What do you hope to gain by continuously copying people, admitting it, and defending BOTH sides of an attack?

First of all, your entire argument against me was entertaining because I can answer nearly all of the accusations in the same way. Your argument here is based on me defending a point a person made for this or accusing them for that, and then switching and defending a different person's point and the accusing a different person. Fact is, it's still turn one. My entire goal right now is finding who's scum.  I CAN'T KNOW who's scum, so I call them as I see them, no matter who it is or what they're saying. If they say something or speak a way and it looks scummy, I press it. Hard. If it doesn't, I don't try to press it (one of my biggest newbie mistakes was that I did the opposite on some occasions, I will give you that), and take a different route. If I take a side and stick with it, I'd call that ignorance.

What I'm saying is, so early on, if I take a side here and a side there and stick with them without being absolutely sure, I'm being ignorant and that will catch up to me, fast. So my strategy here right now -- ESPECIALLY now that I don't currently have a vote -- is to take and give each blow as they come up until the point where I have a case against someone.

So kilakan: Why is your most major accusation that I don't stick with imaginary sides that you believe I am/should be attached to? Any town would feel the same as me I'm sure. But as for scum, I would consider thinking you should take sides this early other than to vote being a major slip up, but an easy one to make. Right?

hahah what?  I accused you of not sticking to imaginary sides?  No I accused you of attempting to friend everyone to try and see who wouldn't slam you if you hid in their shadow.  I realize I mis-worded something but if you had read the quote it would have made sense

Quote

Uh huh, ok I missed this the first time since I was busy typing my reply already but:  WHAT THE FUCK!  Ok so you started by trying to attack the scum for me, then replied to my attack for me.

I fucked up there I meant to say "the attack on me for me"
Now if you had read the quotes above it it would have made more sense.  Also it wasn't an argument against, for, sideways or to you.  It was me responding to the way you acted that i missed the first time.
So:
Freeformschooler-Apparently if all town feel the same way as you, how do you feel at the moment based on the replies I had to your actions?

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 04:02:51 pm

Insanely quiet with an "abysmal" postcount?  Fuck you too, asshole.  Pay more attention.

For you, yes very quite and quite a low post count, now I realize not a lot has been happening that really screams anything one way or another, but so far.  I did look over all your posts, so far (including this one) you have 33 posts:22 of which are one or two liners, 7 large but just IC'ing or largely insubstantial posts which are replies to direct questions.  You've asked 3 questions, one was Are you Scum?  And another was what color is my shirt.  So I am paying attention, enough to realize that you are absolutely unlike yourself and that you're pulling the same type of shit as BDthemag did last game where you post a decent amount but everything is fucking one-liners that don't keep up a decent push on anyone.  And quoting someone and just saying this is wrong, is decent scum hunting but not something I would expect from someone like you.  Now you can rage at me all you want and list off a thousand reasons real-life sucks, but you have to realize that I can't be sure in any way shape or form you are not a scum.
So thanks for actually posting what the fuck you think, and by the way, wanna sort through this 'shit-flinging nightmare' fucking use that rage to cut through it.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 04:40:23 pm

This is an announcement!


Meanmelter -3- IronyOwl, Max White, Vector
anzki4 -1- kilakan
Flintus10 -1- Deadmeat1471
freeformschooler -1- Flintus10
Max White -1- Meanmelter

not voting: anzki4, freeformschooler

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 04:46:07 pm

As of this point while I continue thinking and reading the thread: unvote/color]  Also because he's getting a replacement.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 04:48:14 pm

kilakan and vector and meanmelter and max and etc, I want to argue some more, (and how about we have a healthy argument about something else sometime?) but I think I'm done. I got my introduction to mafia, got in and played my dang best the whole way, I read through the entirety of the last BM and half of the most recent Paranormal, read all the guides in the start of this post now, but straight up from the very start this hasn't even been one ounce of fun to me no matter how I want it to be. And I really do, but it isn't.

I love arguing. I believe arguing is a great way for me to get to know both myself and others. But I don't enjoy the premise of mafia. It is entirely based around, even on similar levels to arguing, one of the few things that I hate most in life - cruel, step-on-toes, viscous competition. I would have quit later anyway and by that point I would have been so invested it would be a much bigger disappointment.

Darvi I hate to ask for a replacement when other people already are but you know how it goes.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 04:50:26 pm

c-c-c-combo!  Well isn't that 3 people now that have asked for replacements?  This fucking sucks.  I mean I don't think it's even possible that we could get 3 more people in a timely fashion.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 04:50:59 pm

I have to admit that I frankly don't feel like playing much, either.

But that's how it goes sometimes.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 04:53:05 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 04:50:26 pm

c-c-c-combo!  Well isn't that 3 people now that have asked for replacements?  This fucking sucks.  I mean I don't think it's even possible that we could get 3 more people in a timely fashion.

It does suck. Oh well.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 04:53:26 pm

Welp I do sympathize with you Vector, without Irony this is just pointless, and now three people who don't wanna play?  God damn can we just call this a tie and end this nightmare?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 04:55:12 pm

I hate to say this, as this is my first game ever, but, I highly doubt we will find three replacements. Thus, ruining the game.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 04:56:14 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 04:55:12 pm

I hate to say this, as this is my first game ever, but, I highly doubt we will find three replacements. Thus, ruining the game.

4 if Irony continues on this track, 5 if Vector continues not feeling it.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 04:56:35 pm

I think it would be a good idea to do a Paranormal and restart the entire game if it's gonna be that way <_<

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 04:57:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 04:55:12 pm

I hate to say this, as this is my first game ever, but, I highly doubt we will find three replacements. Thus, ruining the game.

Or it could just be narrowed down a bit. That would be... interesting.
Wait. 'Bah' limit. Right. Outta here.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 04:57:40 pm

I'd be in for paranormal.

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 04:57:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 04:55:12 pm

I hate to say this, as this is my first game ever, but, I highly doubt we will find three replacements. Thus, ruining the game.

Or it could just be narrowed down a bit. That would be... interesting.
Wait. 'Bah' limit. Right. Outta here.

What you didn't die?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 04:58:27 pm

I meant restarting the game, reshuffling the roles with new people.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: noah22223 on July 15, 2011, 04:59:13 pm

Seeing as this is changing games and all...
Do. Not. Fuck with me when I want something done my way. I will win the arguement, as my unnatural control of the english language and my knowledge of facts will turn your arguments into fertile soil in no time flat.
Phew. Thanks for lettin me say that, guys!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 04:59:49 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 04:57:40 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 04:57:02 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 04:55:12 pm

I hate to say this, as this is my first game ever, but, I highly doubt we will find three replacements. Thus, ruining the game.

Or it could just be narrowed down a bit. That would be... interesting.
Wait. 'Bah' limit. Right. Outta here.

What you didn't die?

By quitting, I committed suicide. With a spoon. But I guess the point is less important now since the thread is dying and Darvi seems to be giving up hope on it.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 05:00:33 pm

Quote from: noah22223 on July 15, 2011, 04:59:13 pm

Seeing as this is changing games and all...
Do. Not. Fuck with me when I want something done my way. I will win the arguement, as my unnatural control of the english language and my knowledge of facts will turn your arguments into fertile soil in no time flat.
Phew. Thanks for lettin me say that, guys!

NO ONE LET YOU SAY THAT WORM!  You shall become what pig shit is to the bottom of my boot, less then a minor fucking annoyance UNTIL I SAY OTHERWISE!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 05:00:43 pm

Quote from: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 04:56:35 pm

I think it would be a good idea to do a Paranormal and restart the entire game if it's gonna be that way <_<

One of the things you need to understand for next time is that, when you use a popular theme like TF2 for flavor, with obvious team colors of red and blue, people are going to spend a lot of time "hunting with the flavor."

BMs are usually best left pretty plain.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 05:01:22 pm

Quote from: noah22223 on July 15, 2011, 04:59:13 pm

Seeing as this is changing games and all...
Do. Not. Fuck with me when I want something done my way. I will win the arguement, as my unnatural control of the english language and my knowledge of facts will turn your arguments into fertile soil in no time flat.
Phew. Thanks for lettin me say that, guys!

What are you, wuba's secret twin? :V

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 05:03:32 pm

Quote from: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 05:01:22 pm

What are you, wuba's secret twin? :V

Has he ever showed up here before, or did he just start posting here now?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: noah22223 on July 15, 2011, 05:04:42 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 05:00:33 pm

Quote from: noah22223 on July 15, 2011, 04:59:13 pm

Seeing as this is changing games and all...
Do. Not. Fuck with me when I want something done my way. I will win the arguement, as my unnatural control of the english language and my knowledge of facts will turn your arguments into fertile soil in no time flat.
Phew. Thanks for lettin me say that, guys!

NO ONE LET YOU SAY THAT WORM!  You shall become what pig shit is to the bottom of my boot, less then a minor fucking annoyance UNTIL I SAY OTHERWISE!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://www.omgfunnypictures.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/20101224/2875f_political-pictures-this-baby-has-a-minigun-you-argument-is-invalid.jpg)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:05:29 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 05:03:32 pm

Quote from: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 05:01:22 pm

What are you, wuba's secret twin? :V

Has he ever showed up here before, or did he just start posting here now?

W-

-I didn't even notice that until now. noah222etc I will take your clear argumentative prowess to heart next time I even consider gently caressing someone that happens to include you.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: noah22223 on July 15, 2011, 05:07:23 pm

A clear example is the Grow thread, by the way. Set 1 was losing by a landslide. by the time I was done, it was winning by... alot.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:08:04 pm

Also Darvi since this is dead are you gonna give a spoilspec to everyone? I'm sure we'd all enjoy it.

I can also probably stop double posting now.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 05:08:34 pm

Quote from: noah22223 on July 15, 2011, 05:07:23 pm

A clear example is the Grow thread, by the way. Set 1 was losing by a landslide. by the time I was done, it was winning by... alot.

Thank goodness I won't be dealing with your hubris as a replacement, then.  Enjoy the reboot.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: noah22223 on July 15, 2011, 05:09:48 pm

Sorry for derailing this as my own bragging thread, by the way.
I smell the sweet smell of burning Vector in the air for using sarcasm...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 05:12:50 pm

Quote from: noah22223 on July 15, 2011, 05:09:48 pm

I smell the sweet smell of burning Vector in the air for using sarcasm...

Mostly because I like this game a lot more when it's not full of jumped up aggression and hyperactive playing.

It's not always like this, Freeformschooler.  It can be nasty, but this round was a bit worse than it usually is.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 05:14:34 pm

*cough cough*I don't deal with smartasses very well and when it degraded into Well You Tell Me. I broke.  And yes this round was utter crap, even max white got aggressive, that scared me.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:16:31 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 05:12:50 pm

It's not always like this, Freeformschooler.  It can be nasty, but this round was a bit worse than it usually is.

Oh yeah, I know. I did read through half of the recent Paranormal. Those players are PROS. They're elegant, firm and know what they're doing. The difference is like a university debate versus four small kids playing Mario Kart. If Mafia was the kind of game I enjoy I would be doing everything I could do get up to there level.

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 05:14:34 pm

*cough cough*I don't deal with smartasses very well and when it degraded into Well You Tell Me. I broke.  And yes this round was utter crap, even max white got aggressive, that scared me.

He didn't need to be aggressive as he is.

In fact, I'll give you the spoilspec. Me and Max, Mafia. everyone else, TOWN!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:17:37 pm

What is this I don't even!
Three people drop out and were looking for a reboot. Things go to hell when I am not here!

EDIT: Aww, freeform gave the game away, that is Darvi's job. Never, EVER give the game away!  :P

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:18:22 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:17:37 pm

EDIT: Aww, freeform gave the game away, that is Darvi's job. Never, EVER give the game away!  :P

"beginner's mistake" :D Theoretically wouldn't happen again.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 05:18:34 pm

........FUCK I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU!  Though good job max you never caught my attention.  Wait a sec why did he want me to push my case against you?  That sounds like it would have failed horribly.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 05:18:43 pm

So I was right! I am totally awesome at this game.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 05:19:19 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:17:37 pm

What is this I don't even!
Three people drop out and were looking for a reboot. Things go to hell when I am not here!

EDIT: Aww, freeform gave the game away, that is Darvi's job. Never, EVER give the game away!  :P

3 Drop out, 1 doesn't want to play and 1 IC is basically absence all the time.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: noah22223 on July 15, 2011, 05:19:33 pm

Im playing next turn.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:20:11 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 05:18:34 pm

........FUCK I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU!  Though good job max you never caught my attention.  Wait a sec why did he want me to push my case against you?  That sounds like it would have failed horribly.

Haha, I was trying my darndest to buddy-buddy so he could push a case against me, then you and me, then push you off a cliff. Lack of communication killed it particularly I think, plus me being way too defensive.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:20:23 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 05:18:43 pm

So I was right! I am totally awesome at this game.

Thus you should make sure you are in the reboot.
Although nobody else saw it, so you are only half awesome. The other half is making people see what you see.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 05:21:03 pm

Who here thinks the next BM should wait until Jim gets back?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 05:21:14 pm

same. Sucks this round ended like this. I WAS IN IT FOR THE BITCHES.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:22:21 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 05:21:03 pm

Who here thinks the next BM should wait until Jim gets back?

Oh Jim... I miss him so! With he's long, flowing hair!
Maybe, but that might take some time.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 05:22:33 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:20:11 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 05:18:34 pm

........FUCK I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU!  Though good job max you never caught my attention.  Wait a sec why did he want me to push my case against you?  That sounds like it would have failed horribly.

Haha, I was trying my darndest to buddy-buddy so he could push a case against me, then you and me, then push you off a cliff. Lack of communication killed it particularly I think, plus me being way too defensive.

I wasn't getting happy with the buddy-buddy stuff but admiting it yourself screwed over that plan, made you seem the buddier and me the good guy for not just hitting you with a glowing white frying pan.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 05:22:57 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:22:21 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 05:21:03 pm

Who here thinks the next BM should wait until Jim gets back?

Oh Jim... I miss him so! With he's long, flowing hair!
Maybe, but that might take some time.

Didn't he say a week?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 05:24:26 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 05:21:14 pm

I WAS IN IT FOR THE BITCHES.

Real cute.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:25:57 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 05:24:26 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 05:21:14 pm

I WAS IN IT FOR THE BITCHES.

Real cute.

Darvi did a test roll a few seconds later after the initial deciding one and if he had used that one, you and Irony would have been scum. Oh, how gloriously frightening that would have been.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:26:14 pm

So, Vector: How is my scum hunting game?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:30:15 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:26:14 pm

So, Vector: How is my scum hunting game?

I repeat this question for mysefl. Later in life I may decide I want to come back and try again. How did I do on my first try?

Max is way more pro than me at being scum, and Wuba is self-evident.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 05:32:01 pm

I want a review! I mean, I was accused of being scum. You all owe me.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: ...NOT KILLING UR DOODS
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 05:32:59 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:16:31 pm

Oh yeah, I know. I did read through half of the recent Paranormal. Those players are PROS. They're elegant, firm and know what they're doing. The difference is like a university debate versus four small kids playing Mario Kart. If Mafia was the kind of game I enjoy I would be doing everything I could do get up to there level.

Haha, okay.  I just want to make sure you know that usually, this isn't a crushingly competitive game.  Uuuusually, it's fun and people have learned not to cross various boundaries.

But, if it's not your thing, then it's not your thing, and I'll see you around elsewhere =)

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:25:57 pm

Darvi did a test roll a few seconds later after the initial deciding one and if he had used that one, you and Irony would have been scum. Oh, how gloriously frightening that would have been.

... Yeah, that could have been pretty darned good >:3

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:26:14 pm

So, Vector: How is my scum hunting game?

I hate to say this, because this is not the sort of advice one wants to have to give out.

But people in this game actually need to be more cooperative and less aggressive.  They need to think more and post less.  If someone asks you a question, you should answer it.  If you don't have substantive evidence, don't attack on that point.  Read through your post, maybe two or three times, and then post it.  Cut out everything that you aren't sure of wanting in there.  Think more.  Be more careful.  Don't sling shit.

You need to learn to spend time, once in a while, just watching other players and seeing the game go by.  Look at the structure.  Keep your influence out of it.

Tl;dr: More yin, less yang.


Freeformschooler, don't buddy, and consider coming back again in, oh, a while.

Actually, consider signing up for Wuba's BYOR, maybe?  I think you're a strong enough player already that you could have fun doing that, and if you hate it then, well, you hate it.  But I think that particular game, and a higher level atmosphere, would actually be more educational and entertaining for you.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 05:32:01 pm

I want a review! I mean, I was accused of being scum. You all owe me.

Your review is that you should go back, look at everything people said, and pay more attention next time.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 05:35:30 pm

After a few minutes of debate, Flintus10, the soldier, mentioned that he had to leave the game. "Sorry guys, but I have to go to bed."
Oh well, that wasn't so bad, BLU could still... "Sorry, but I havta leave ye lads, got some unfinished business to do!", anzki4, the Demoman said.
"Oh non, it's bed time. Bon soir you wankers!", freeformschooler the Sniper proclaimed. Except he wasn't really a sniper, but a Spy who has disguised himself as one.
"Mais non, you cannot make me do zis all alone!" Apparently Max Blanc the Spy wasn't really on their side either.

"Mmhmmmmhmmhhmh", Vector the pyro asked angrily. "I haf no idea vat you said, but let's just kill this traitor and get his intelligence.", kilakan the medic stated. He ubercharged Deadmeat1471, the heavy, making him invulnerable, who then proceeded to shoot many bullets into Max's body.

"Aight, lets get their freakin' briefcase and win this game!", IronyOwl the scout shouts and runs out of the door. He didn't get far, because shortly afterwards he flew back into the room, taking the door with him. A terrifying shout resounded from the corridor: "SAXTON HAAAAAALEEE!"
Webadict entered the room, clenching his fists. "Alright you pansies, who wants a knuckle sandwich?" "Damn! get 'im boy!", Meanmelter the engineer told his sentry gun. Not that he needed to since it detected the huge muscular man to be a threat, and immediately started firing missiles at him"

"It'll take more than that to take down SAXTON HAAAAAALEEE!" This infamous warcry is so loud and piercing that everything in this room froze in fear, including the sentry. With a single punch, webadict knocked Meanmelter into his creation, breaking them both. Shortly afterwards, nobody from the BLU team was left alive, and the chat was filled with outcries of "OMG cheater" "ban him!" and "fuck this im outa here". Everybody quit.

Webadict (Saxton Hale) has won the game.

You have failed me!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:43:37 pm

Post game party tune! (http://gobarbra.com/hit/new-0af353e164c7d2f82c2ce96d4c2d19c2)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 05:44:29 pm

Scumchat (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/jvSApUMXRZn), btw.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:45:25 pm

Good times in that chat.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:48:00 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:45:25 pm

Good times in that chat.

There is one question I can leave you all with, derived from Darvi's best advice to me there. If you're ever in a fix, and think the solution might be piling on more idiocy and nonsense, ask yeself: What Would FreeFormSchooler Do?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 05:48:56 pm

Actually, it was WWTFFSD.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:49:26 pm

Wasn't it WWTFFSD? The point was the T for townie.

Edit: NINJA!!!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 05:50:28 pm

Town Freeformschooler was an arrogant, overthought, hyperactive idiot. Real Freeformschooler ASSURES everyone that he is in fact none of those things. I did say "derived" after all.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:56:09 pm

So pyro(Vector) meant cop, right?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 05:56:35 pm

Nope. Only Kilakan and you were special roles.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 05:57:18 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 05:56:09 pm

So pyro(Vector) meant cop, right?

No, I was a vanilla townie.


Also, I never said this:

Quote

oh yeah guys, and don't lynch the ICs this time alright?

I've got no problem with folks lynching the ICs.  I've got issues with folks taking the piss with the ICs.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Darvi on July 15, 2011, 05:59:07 pm

Damn, I missed the perfect opportunity to mess around with space-time due to Max dying (http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z442/WymarSane/HPhuh.png) :V

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 06:00:39 pm

...


WHY DO YOU STILL HAVE THAT?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 06:13:54 pm

Who were you guys planning on killing night one?  Cause I had every intention of ubering either Vector or take the random road and get meanmelter.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 06:17:36 pm

Well not Vector. We hadn't sorted out exactly who yet.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: webadict on July 15, 2011, 06:27:42 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 06:13:54 pm

Who were you guys planning on killing night one?  Cause I had every intention of ubering either Vector or take the random road and get meanmelter.

I had suggested Flintus, as I was attempting to turn them into awesome scum.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: webadict on July 15, 2011, 06:28:05 pm

Also, lol, gg nubs!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 06:28:47 pm

phft I really hope the buddy tactic wasn't yours, didn't seem like it would have worked too well.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 06:29:25 pm

Webbsy: Vector is being mean and not ranking my performance. How did I do?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 06:36:26 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 06:29:25 pm

Webbsy: Vector is being mean and not ranking my performance. How did I do?

That advice was perfect advice for both you and Kilakan, who are becoming aggressive to the point of damaging the town.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 06:39:29 pm

Yup, taken well.  I really need to calm down more, and I'm trying really really hard.  I've even started listening to nice calming things like Pink Floyd while playing.  But I think Max White wanted to damage town... I mean he *was* scum.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 06:41:13 pm

Just slowly erode at it's foundation until it falls in on itself, just a little.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 06:41:37 pm

Wait.

Wait.

Hold on a second.

What the fuck.

What the fuck just happened here?

One minute there's a good game going on, and then the next, everybody decides "OH SHIT THE SKY IS FALLING BETTER QUIT THE GAME"

Really, what the fuck are all of you doing?

I mean, for fuck's sake, you have to stick with the game. This isn't the kind of game you can just join and leave willynilly. It actually takes a little time and effort for the game to grow on all of you.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 06:43:04 pm

Hey, I didn't want this, I had a chance to be scum! Shit was awesome fun.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 06:43:19 pm

woops songs rolled over onto motorhead KILL KILL KILL!!!  But no it's really jsut bad habits of real-life mafia games.  Where yelling and accusations are kinda part and central.  I think you might actually like it Vector.

Three people asked for replacements Jim, what the heck are we supposed to do?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 06:45:55 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 06:43:19 pm

woops songs rolled over onto motorhead KILL KILL KILL!!!  But no it's really jsut bad habits of real-life mafia games.  Where yelling and accusations are kinda part and central.  I think you might actually like it Vector.

I've played it before and nailed the scumteam through body language analytics, which the group I was playing with thought was impossible >_>

We didn't yell much, though.  It was mostly graduate students.  Also, I hate noise.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 06:41:37 pm

Really, what the fuck are all of you doing?

I wasn't intending to ask for a reboot.  I was attempting to express "I'm not interested in this game, either, but I'm sticking with it."  Apparently I failed.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 06:48:29 pm

Ah cool.  I need to try that next time.   

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 06:49:14 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 06:43:19 pm

Three people asked for replacements Jim, what the heck are we supposed to do?

How about not end the goddamned game right then and there?

I was gone for two fucking hours and then this happened.

Are you all telling me that without my constant presence the game descends to absolute shit the moment I am gone for two fucking hours?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 06:50:38 pm

Yea, just about.
Try waking up and finding your game has ended with a reboot.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 06:52:11 pm

wow really?  I didn't want the god damn restart either but I think with a largely absent IC, 3 players who want to quit, it gets to the point where a restart is just bloody easier.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Jack A T on July 15, 2011, 06:57:23 pm

I'm just sigging part of the Hitler exchange.  Sorry, I just have to.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 06:58:21 pm

 :P
It is one thing to Godwin, it is another to do it to yourself.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Jack A T on July 15, 2011, 07:00:27 pm

You have a point.  Switching quotes.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: webadict on July 15, 2011, 07:10:38 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 06:45:55 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 06:43:19 pm

woops songs rolled over onto motorhead KILL KILL KILL!!!  But no it's really jsut bad habits of real-life mafia games.  Where yelling and accusations are kinda part and central.  I think you might actually like it Vector.

I've played it before and nailed the scumteam through body language analytics, which the group I was playing with thought was impossible >_>

Same, except using only the facial expressions on faces. I was promptly lynched, because I was clearly out of my gourd.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:17:49 pm

I must say, I was highly pleased with the activity.  Seven pages in half of D1 in a 9p game is huge.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:19:22 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 06:49:14 pm

Quote from: kilakan on July 15, 2011, 06:43:19 pm

Three people asked for replacements Jim, what the heck are we supposed to do?

How about not end the goddamned game right then and there?

I was gone for two fucking hours and then this happened.

Are you all telling me that without my constant presence the game descends to absolute shit the moment I am gone for two fucking hours?

Yes.  Set yourself up with a Jolt Cola IV drip, because you're no longer allowed to sleep.

Also, catheter.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 07:20:06 pm

Quote from: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:17:49 pm

I must say, I was highly pleased with the activity.  Seven pages in half of D1 in a 9p game is huge.

It was rather impressive.
In one day, our scumchat was longer than the entire scumchat from the last game.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 07:21:04 pm

Quote from: webadict on July 15, 2011, 07:10:38 pm

Same, except using only the facial expressions on faces. I was promptly lynched, because I was clearly out of my gourd.

Eh, I'm terrible at reading facial expressions.  The main person in question looked away and covered his face as he said he was town--we were supposed to go around the circle and say so.  Hehehhehe.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 07:28:09 pm

Quote from: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:17:49 pm

I must say, I was highly pleased with the activity.  Seven pages in half of D1 in a 9p game is huge.

Exactly!

You don't just throw that away because you have three flighty noobs who aren't sure they want to play!

The game is stressful, especially for the first time. You have to stick it out. It gets better the more you play it, I promise it does.

Quote from: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:19:22 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 06:49:14 pm

I was gone for two fucking hours and then this happened.

Are you all telling me that without my constant presence the game descends to absolute shit the moment I am gone for two fucking hours?

Yes.  Set yourself up with a Jolt Cola IV drip, because you're no longer allowed to sleep.

Also, catheter.

Great.

I will be the coma IC. Everyone will huddle around my bed in the hospital, holding out hope that I'll finally come out of it, but there is no hope, as my brain lost all activity long ago and I'm being kept alive by life support machines.

Meanwhile, I'm making sure that stupid shit doesn't happen in Beginner's Games.

The life I always wanted!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 07:33:59 pm

I do wish we didn't end it. But shit happens.
3 nooblets leaving. 1 person thinking of leaving, and 1 IC that's inactive 98% of the time.

Still, it would have been a totally interesting game to end

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 07:28:09 pm

The game is stressful, especially for the first time. You have to stick it out. It gets better the more you play it, I promise it does.

I believe this. So much. At first I was like "Meh." Then I was like "Oh man this is fun!" and then I was like "OMG Y U NO POST FASTER"
On top of that. Your acting as an IC for a game your not even in. So that's got to mean something. Right?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:34:44 pm

I also want to post this gem from scum chat.

Quote

ffschooler
07-14-2011
03:54 PM ET (US)
   I'm beginning to realize the easiest way to play scum is to convince myself that I am a town.

FFS has hit the nail on the head.  This is the single most important thing to do as scum- play as you would if you were town.


FFS, I'd hate to see you go- you have potential.  Flintus, IIRC you were in the BM I modded- I think you played pretty well there too, so any time you want to play, you're all welcome here.


Jim:  You just need one of those brain-typing things, and you'll be all set.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 07:37:29 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 07:28:09 pm

Quote from: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:17:49 pm

I must say, I was highly pleased with the activity.  Seven pages in half of D1 in a 9p game is huge.

Exactly!

You don't just throw that away because you have three flighty noobs who aren't sure they want to play!

The game is stressful, especially for the first time. You have to stick it out. It gets better the more you play it, I promise it does.

In my defense not only was I sure I wasn't having any fun and didn't like mafia at all (ESPECIALLY after reading through the last BM), but I also suggested to Darvi to just either replace or shorten the list. Continuing would certainly have been better.

Also, for brand recognition, get a Monster IV instead. If it doesn't kill you.

Quote from: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:34:44 pm

FFS, I'd hate to see you go- you have potential.

This is an illusion. I am just very good at arguing with assholes by being a different kind of asshole.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: IronyOwl on July 15, 2011, 07:38:32 pm

Gah. Sorry about not being here, the combination of being busy and EXPLODING THREAD made it hard to be useful. Will do better next time.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 07:39:16 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 07:37:29 pm

This is an illusion. I am just very good at arguing with assholes by being a different kind of asshole.

That is a pretty good explanation of how to play mafia.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:39:48 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 07:37:29 pm

Quote from: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:34:44 pm

FFS, I'd hate to see you go- you have potential.

This is an illusion. I am just very good at arguing with assholes by being a different kind of asshole.

That's pretty much how we roll here.  We're assholes ingame, but kinda cuddly outside.  Look at sweet widdle WUBAkins!  So cuddly!

/me cuddles WUBA

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 07:41:10 pm

Then again, wubbsy is loveable in game too...

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 07:42:26 pm

Wuba deserves a little bit more credit, I think. He provided me with the best advice I'd ever gotten for mafia. He's a real asshero.

He needs to be in more RTDs.

Same with you, Max. And also vector! She's never in the RTDs.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: webadict on July 15, 2011, 07:43:17 pm

Quote from: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:39:48 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 07:37:29 pm

Quote from: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:34:44 pm

FFS, I'd hate to see you go- you have potential.

This is an illusion. I am just very good at arguing with assholes by being a different kind of asshole.

That's pretty much how we roll here.  We're assholes ingame, but kinda cuddly outside.  Look at sweet widdle WUBAkins!  So cuddly!

/me cuddles WUBA

I IS NOT CUDDLY!!!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: webadict on July 15, 2011, 07:43:59 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 07:42:26 pm

Wuba deserves a little bit more credit, I think. He provided me with the best advice I'd ever gotten for mafia. He's a real asshero.

He needs to be in more RTDs.

Same with you, Max.

Protip: Do everything I say always.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 07:44:42 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 07:41:10 pm

Then again, wubbsy is loveable in game too...

. . . How many games have you played with Wuba?  I mean, seriously?


@Freeformschooler: Read through BMIX.  Seriously :3

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: webadict on July 15, 2011, 07:47:11 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 07:44:42 pm

Quote from: Max White on July 15, 2011, 07:41:10 pm

Then again, wubbsy is loveable in game too...

. . . How many games have you played with Wuba?  I mean, seriously?


@Freeformschooler: Read through BMIX.  Seriously :3

I think it's different if you're not Vector. :P

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 15, 2011, 07:47:51 pm

Quote from: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 07:37:29 pm

In my defense not only was I sure I wasn't having any fun and didn't like mafia at all (ESPECIALLY after reading through the last BM), but I also suggested to Darvi to just either replace or shorten the list. Continuing would certainly have been better.

Even if you're not sure if you want to play mafia anymore, that's a decision that can wait until after the game is over.

Replacements are disruptive in normal games but doubly so for a Beginner's Game.

Unless you suddenly find yourself with no free time at all to play the game, stick it out.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 07:48:53 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 07:44:42 pm

. . . How many games have you played with Wuba?  I mean, seriously?

I just started one. It is still in the pre-game phase. Although no details on a currently active game. Shhhh, You know better than that Vector!

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: freeformschooler on July 15, 2011, 07:50:00 pm

That is good advice that I can apply to other things too. Like one of my other projects I'm about to revive. As soon as I get the free time.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:56:35 pm

Quote from: webadict on July 15, 2011, 07:43:17 pm

Quote from: Toaster on July 15, 2011, 07:39:48 pm

That's pretty much how we roll here.  We're assholes ingame, but kinda cuddly outside.  Look at sweet widdle WUBAkins!  So cuddly!

/me cuddles WUBA

I IS NOT CUDDLY!!!

WUBAS GOTTA WUB

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 08:23:18 pm

(offensive image removed)

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 08:26:41 pm

Vector is going to crush you Meanmelter. I mean really, next game, if you are both playing, I don't care if your both scum, she is going to kill you somehow. Even if it it lylo and your the towniest, she will destroy you.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 09:59:28 pm

Hey, Meanmelter.

I'm the only girl in this subforum.  Mostly been something like that for the two years I've been here.  Of course, I pretended to be a guy when I first came here, because I didn't want anyone to go easy on me--or say they did--just because I was a girl.  A bitch, rather, I guess.  The bitch you're looking for, apparently, because as I just said, you won't be finding any others.  The bitch you're currently making date rape jokes about, which are funny because you're THE MAN or something.  Fuck if I know.  Anyway, this isn't a place where you just make a bunch of jokes and they don't affect anyone.  There's a woman here, the sole recipient of your hilarity.

Whoops, I'm sorry.

There's a bitch.  Yeah, I'm a dog or whatever.  Woof woof.

Easier when you make us out to be animals, isn't it?

I guess I'll also tell you something more relevant.  I was sexually abused a bit by other girls as I was growing up.  Nothing serious.  Just grabbing my tits and stuff like that, you know?  That sort of thing.  Dudes drive by me, barking, in their cars.  Used to have people in the class ordering me to strip and all that noise.

Never got date-raped, though.  I'm not the sort of person one asks out on dates.  Like I said, I have a certain set of difficulties.  Pretty handy.

Of course, a full sixth of the women in this country have been sexually assaulted.

They weren't too fond of it, or so I hear.

I come here because I'm tired of having to deal with all this bullshit on the street, in real life, where I am asked to bend and make compromises constantly--compromises no one else ever sees--in the name of "femininity" and "normalcy."

So here's your warning.  Cut it out.  That's been two times.  You won't like me the third time you do it.  I already dislike you.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: webadict on July 15, 2011, 10:01:53 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 09:59:28 pm

Hey, Meanmelter.

I'm the only girl in this subforum.  Mostly been something like that for the two years I've been here.  Of course, I pretended to be a guy when I first came here, because I didn't want anyone to go easy on me--or say they did--just because I was a girl.  A bitch, rather, I guess.  The bitch you're looking for, apparently, because as I just said, you won't be finding any others.  The bitch you're currently making date rape jokes about, which are funny because you're THE MAN or something.  Fuck if I know.  Anyway, this isn't a place where you just make a bunch of jokes and they don't affect anyone.  There's a woman here, the sole recipient of your hilarity.

Whoops, I'm sorry.

There's a bitch.  Yeah, I'm a dog or whatever.  Woof woof.

Easier when you make us out to be animals, isn't it?

I guess I'll also tell you something more relevant.  I was sexually abused a bit by other girls as I was growing up.  Nothing serious.  Just grabbing my tits and stuff like that, you know?  That sort of thing.  Dudes drive by me, barking, in their cars.  Used to have people in the class ordering me strip and all that noise.

Never got date-raped, though.  I'm not the sort of person one asks out on dates.  Like I said, I have a certain set of difficulties.  Pretty handy.

Of course, a full sixth of the women in this country have been sexually assaulted.

They weren't too fond of it, or so I hear.

I come here because I'm tired of having to deal with all this bullshit on the street, in real life, where I am asked to bend and make compromises constantly--compromises no on else ever sees--in the name of "femininity" and "normality."

So here's your warning.  Cut it out.  That's been two times.  You won't like me the third time you do it.  I already dislike you.

You wants I help? >:D

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Max White on July 15, 2011, 10:08:09 pm

It's vector, the apocalypse compressed into human form. Help would be like double overkill.

Protip: If you want to get far in these forums, don't ever, ever be racist, sexist or homophobic, because you will be fucking with a force you can not comprehend.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 10:50:00 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 09:59:28 pm

Hey, Meanmelter.

I'm the only girl in this subforum.  Mostly been something like that for the two years I've been here.  Of course, I pretended to be a guy when I first came here, because I didn't want anyone to go easy on me--or say they did--just because I was a girl.  A bitch, rather, I guess.  The bitch you're looking for, apparently, because as I just said, you won't be finding any others.  The bitch you're currently making date rape jokes about, which are funny because you're THE MAN or something.  Fuck if I know.  Anyway, this isn't a place where you just make a bunch of jokes and they don't affect anyone.  There's a woman here, the sole recipient of your hilarity.

Whoops, I'm sorry.

There's a bitch.  Yeah, I'm a dog or whatever.  Woof woof.

Easier when you make us out to be animals, isn't it?

I guess I'll also tell you something more relevant.  I was sexually abused a bit by other girls as I was growing up.  Nothing serious.  Just grabbing my tits and stuff like that, you know?  That sort of thing.  Dudes drive by me, barking, in their cars.  Used to have people in the class ordering me to strip and all that noise.

Never got date-raped, though.  I'm not the sort of person one asks out on dates.  Like I said, I have a certain set of difficulties.  Pretty handy.

Of course, a full sixth of the women in this country have been sexually assaulted.

They weren't too fond of it, or so I hear.

I come here because I'm tired of having to deal with all this bullshit on the street, in real life, where I am asked to bend and make compromises constantly--compromises no one else ever sees--in the name of "femininity" and "normalcy."

So here's your warning.  Cut it out.  That's been two times.  You won't like me the third time you do it.  I already dislike you.

Woah woah calm down. I totally didn't even mean it. I just figured it would be a joke everyone would have a laugh about. I've also been waiting to use that picture for awhile.
If you made this to make me feel bad. Well congrats. You get an award for making a 15 year old for feeling really bad.
I'm not some random douche bag on the internet (I don't even think they make it past playing Dwarf Fortress do they?) If I was, well, this post would not be filled with an apology. And if I was actually laughing (Damn it, why am I not laughing?) I would totally be trolling you right now. But I'm not. Not every guy on the internet is looking for someone to just make date rape jokes about. Otherwise I wouldn't be on here. I'd be wasting my life doing something else. Now I'd love to tell you a life story on why I get what your saying, my life isn't all handy dandy either, but this is a thread about a Mafia game, not much of a place for life discussion. But if you must, there are other places to discuss this other than here.
After all, you can't take everyone on the internet seriously. I mean who knows? I could be an Alien. Where as that is unlikely, how do you know? How do you know I'm not some kid who was horribly beaten and nearly died of it? You don't. So please, the next person who makes a Date-rape joke on the internet, he's probably just joking and not being serious at all.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 11:00:15 pm

Also...

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 05:24:26 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 05:21:14 pm

I WAS IN IT FOR THE BITCHES.

Real cute.

You also didn't react the way you are now, but I guess you were just cutting me some slack or something?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: webadict on July 15, 2011, 11:12:16 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 11:00:15 pm

Also...

Quote from: Vector on July 15, 2011, 05:24:26 pm

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 05:21:14 pm

I WAS IN IT FOR THE BITCHES.

Real cute.

You also didn't react the way you are now, but I guess you were just cutting me some slack or something?

Dude, that was strike one. You should probably stop at strike two. Strike three involves decapitation.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Vector on July 15, 2011, 11:14:42 pm

No, I totally understand.  I used to be a misogynist myself--I'm not even kidding.  I mean, you'd think "how does that work," right, but I definitely thought women were stupid and all those other sorts of things.  I laughed at the jokes.  I made the jokes.  I had to learn.  Fifteen is also neither too young, nor too old to learn--right?

The thing is, though, that it doesn't matter where you came from, what your circumstances are, your excuses, your reasons.  If you were beaten you would deserve sympathy, gentleness, and protection, but that would not give you an excuse to make jokes about raping women.  And, indeed, I hope you feel pretty bad at least momentarily, because... well, honestly, there are victims of rape on this forum, and when people joke about it sometimes their PTSD is triggered.  They hurt themselves, they have horrible nightmares, they feel like they can't keep on living, just... remembering.  I try to protect these people as much as I can, so that they can have fun with the rest of us.  They didn't deserve what happened to them.

The other important thing to know is that, according to some studies I'm not digging up right now, rapists think that everyone else is a rapist; indeed, when you don't name it rape, some... what, 6% of men entering college will admit to having already having raped a woman.  It doesn't matter if it's just a joke or not, because they can feel that it's funny, it's light, no one cares.  That their intention was good.  That the result doesn't matter.  It's important to express that rape isn't something to laugh about or trivialize, so that they understand that they're the minorities in the society.  So that peer pressure works against them, rather than for them.

Now, I really didn't want to derail this thread, but on the other hand I find it really, really important to stop this now, rather than just sitting back and letting it keep happen (or, say, blowing up in the middle of a game like some sort of atomic explosion--that's happened more than a few times, and I'm really trying to get a handle on it >_>).  I want everyone to feel safe and comfortable here.  This is especially important in the Mafia subforum, because we attack each other in game and really support each other out of the game.  When we don't build the out-of-game community as strong as we possibly can, we can't press each other or be mean in the game as friends.  It's kind of like how it's different when your friend calls you an asshole from when a random person on the street does it.

So, please keep these things in mind, and thank you for the apology =)  I really appreciate it.  You've reacted much more pleasantly than some other people I've spoken with.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 11:00:15 pm

You also didn't react the way you are now, but I guess you were just cutting me some slack or something?

Yeah, that was your first warning.  I try to make the first one innocuous enough that you can figure out my position without getting embarrassed or anything =)  And, I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you this time, but I felt it was necessary to make myself utterly clear.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 11:23:31 pm

No, it's totally fine. I should take responsibility for my actions.
I can also understand your a misogynist, considering I myself am a misandry. Mainly because of the way other guys acted around women just ticked me off. Hell, my Bestest Friend is a Girl. But again, not going to go into a whole life detail here. As again, there are other places we can discuss this.

Darvi, I demand a Beginner's Mafia XXV Part II

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Toady One on July 16, 2011, 03:33:38 am

This is not enough for me, unfortunately.  I think people, especially long-term members, should be aware by now what is and what isn't going to be tolerated here.  This is one of the most messed up things I have seen on the forum.  The fewer rape jokes we have directed against specific forum members the better, and apparently I can most reliably cut down the number by banning you.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: webadict on July 16, 2011, 08:09:51 am

Quote from: Toady One on July 16, 2011, 03:33:38 am

This is not enough for me, unfortunately.  I think people, especially long-term members, should be aware by now what is and what isn't going to be tolerated here.  This is one of the most messed up things I have seen on the forum.  The fewer rape jokes we have directed against specific forum members the better, and apparently I can most reliably cut down the number by banning you.

To be fair, I'm almost 100% positive it wasn't directed AT Vector, but rather a continuation on a joke he had started earlier, as evidenced by his first post.

Quote from: Meanmelter on July 15, 2011, 05:21:14 pm

I WAS IN IT FOR THE BITCHES.

Which itself is sort of a meme, just as the second one is ALSO based on a meme (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bitches-love-x).

So, I think you've slightly misunderstood the situation, which is understandable, as our defensive state could be interpreted more or less as standing up for Vector as opposed to telling Meanmelter to stop.

I think you'd rather want fewer rapes jokes in general, since I'm sure there is more than one female on the boards, and rape is pretty serious no matter who is raping whom, so if you want to temp-ban him for that, it would be more toward the rule infraction that was actually committed.

I felt that I would say that, since he seemed unfairly judged.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: noah22223 on July 16, 2011, 08:11:14 am

What the fuck is going on, who called the wrath of the One True Toad?

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Vector on July 16, 2011, 12:25:55 pm

Quote from: webadict on July 16, 2011, 08:09:51 am

I felt that I would say that, since he seemed unfairly judged.

Pretty messed up that we have memes so full of those jokes, isn't it?  It's part of our cultural expression.  I just... yeah, that's pretty shocking.

Quote from: noah22223 on July 16, 2011, 08:11:14 am

What the fuck is going on, who called the wrath of the One True Toad?

Dunno, but don't assume it was me.  In any case, I suppose he's made his judgment clear.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: webadict on July 16, 2011, 01:26:38 pm

Quote from: Vector on July 16, 2011, 12:25:55 pm

Quote from: webadict on July 16, 2011, 08:09:51 am

I felt that I would say that, since he seemed unfairly judged.

Pretty messed up that we have memes so full of those jokes, isn't it?  It's part of our cultural expression.  I just... yeah, that's pretty shocking.

Err... Don't get me wrong. I wasn't approving of what he said. I meant that he probably wasn't intending rape against specific people. Or rape in general. Just rape as comedy. If he was going to get banned for anything, it should be the thing he ACTUALLY was intending, and not something far, far worse.

And you can blame the internet for that. We're all faceless people on the internet, so the things we REALLY think are here. There's no repercussions for believing things and saying them on the internet, because anyone that can judge you isn't someone you'll care about. If you say them in real life, people will ostracize you. If you say them on here, people will flock to you.

That's the scary part. Someone ACTUALLY believes the things that are said.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Vector on July 16, 2011, 01:51:02 pm

On the other hand, that was pretty clearly a rape joke about

a. Vector doesn't play RTDs

b. We should drug her with date-rape drugs (and possibly, you know... etc.)

c. She'll like that.

Anyway, I don't want this to turn into some big snafu.  I've already got people upset at me for not laughing (elsewhere), so ... eh.  I didn't want him to get banned, either, but I'm not going to get all upset about that.  What happened happened and we might as well move on.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: freeformschooler on July 16, 2011, 01:57:47 pm

I am merely sorry for starting this business somehow. I do not know what RTDs have to do with rape, though. But yes, let's move on - and this thread probably could use a lock.

Title: Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.
Post by: Darvi on July 16, 2011, 02:01:31 pm

I'd have locked it if I was awake when the entire thing started. But yeah. Will do.